I finally found it! My local college radio DJ used to spin this back in the day and I've been whistling it ever since, never knowing the name or composer. But now EUREKA! I've finally found it!
It's not that "your ear isn't ready". It doesn't take sophistication or evolution of taste to consider this music, it takes delusion. Contemporary classical music has gone to shit because of this mentality. Sophistication isn't found in a complete disregard for what makes music. Abandoning the search for beauty, drama, passion, a whole spectrum of emotion. And by chasing the idea of appearing quirky and philosophical by trying to justify their works to their equally delusional peers.
@@erliLila I know for a fact that listening to this music for me is the same level of pleasure and dopamine as listening to Ravel, Brahms, etc. Listening to this whole thing wasn't a choice, I didn't do it to prove a point. I did it because I was captivated by it. I saw other TH-cam videos I wanted to watch while scrolling after randomly clicking on this, but I just couldn't help but listen to this whole thing. If you don't like this, that's fine! But I (and many others) do for no apparent reason, and there is nothing you or anyone else could say that could change it, because liking things isn't a choice. The fact that everyone has their own preferences when it comes to art is what makes art so great. The music you love (and I love) isn't going anywhere, there are still many people composing in that style, but this style isn't going anywhere either. So I'll keep listening to this because my brain for no apparent reason has decided to like it, and you'll keep listening to yours. And that's perfectly fine. You may call me delusional, but to me it's much more likely that this kind of music is just so divisive that the people who don't like it feel that way so strongly that they can't understand why anyone would, rather than a bunch of people just becoming delusional. Plenty of people like things that repulse others, that's part of life. My ear is no more refined than yours, and I am not delusional. I just like this because I do.
@@ludwigamadeusbach8363 It just seems to me that writing in this style is just "easier" and a cop out (in my eyes as a composer) . Why spend time and effort in developing new ways of expression in an already very developed language, while you can just scribble randomly with no regard to how it sounds. Change one note in Bach (extreme example) and see what happens. Change one note in this and it is completely irrelevant. It feels like it was written far away from the instrument and the actual music. And far more focused on how it is going to be justified on paper.
It’s fascinating to me that the graphics of the score and the level of skill required to perform it are extremely elevated, earnest and intense, while the sonic result is so fleeting, nebulous and inconsequential.
To me it's very almost completely scientific/mathematical approach. Emotion was actually not the intention of the focus... more of an exercise. The guy that learned this had to have got paid to do it. This must've taken quite awhile.
As a Zappa fan, and someone who has listened to Lou Reed's _Metal Machine Music_ in its entirely _twice,_ I thought this sounded like two people banging randomly on one piano.
Love how many views this has even if most of the comments are childish trolling. Michael's a brilliant guy and has a much wider ouvre than people might suspect. He used to be in a punk duo that toured around Europe
I suspect that most of the commenters here are either a) musicians or b) people with a strong interest in modern classical music. Who else do you think would be watching this video? It's not something that is going to just pop up randomly in your Tiktok feed. So it's a bit condescending of you to dismiss their remarks as "childish trolling". The fact is, if you write an concerto that consists entirely of pretentious nonsense, people are going to call it out for being pretentious nonsense-- in other words, they're going to make snarky comments about it. Your defense of Finnissy seems to be "well, he's written a variety of different types of music and he's brilliant". That's great, I'm glad to hear it. I'm still going to judge this piece on its own merits.
Imagine going to a concert that you paid money for just to hear this being played and everyone else sitting quietly for 16:38, sideglancing one another.
@@jonathanwoodvincent If someone played Finnissy's music near me or at a concert, I would just hold them at gunpoint and force them to play perfectly. Of course it's not like I would know they're playing perfectly.
i’ve been trying so hard for years to appreciate music post-stockhausen with what i thought was this “chaotic” feeling. after reading the lectures of the new york school along with others i’m happy to say i hear this music completely differently now. amazing what a little time and a little reading can do for the ears
@@tfpp1 i wouldnt say that i have read any lectures that specifically point to understanding music like finnissy's. i'm more referencing the ear-/eye-opening philosophies on approaching new music by cage and his colleagues. even my recent delve into eastern philosophy has changed the way i listen to music like this.
@@Whatismusic123 i dont recall mentioning that i particularly enjoy listening to finnissy...just that it is easier for me to approach it. id also ask why it is so appalling that i am latching emotions to sounds when that has been a practice in most of music history.
@@Whatismusic123Can you explain how it’s intellectually Unintelligible? Because you can explain this music using music theory by explaining the structure of this piece , this piece isn’t really meant to sound “nice” it’s more a show off of how much information you can put into a piece of music such as Harmony , and rhythm, dynamics, and forms of extended technique into one piece , because there is a underlying structure to Michael Finissy.
@@Whatismusic123 Pretty condescending of you to accuse others of being gaslit into their own preferences lmao. At some point you gotta accept that different people have different tastes and ears than you do. There are people who like this music, myself included, even if you refuse to believe it, smh
I was randomly recommended this even though I don't listen to atonal music as I understand this is called. I see a lot of people in the comment section genuinely enjoying and commenting on the piece so I don't want to rain on your parade but I feel like the kid at the party whose asking their mom to come pick me up please.
If it sounds like you're just randomly hitting piano keys, the entire point of writing down specific notes is completely nullified. These modern composers overcomplicate things in order to appear sophisticated. Since when have we forgotten the ancient truth that beauty lies in simplicity?
@@danielfishysuave4352 Oh come on, look at those ridiculous irrational values, those stupid intervals in both hands, you know its bullshit, I know its bullshit, even Finnissy knows its bullshit which is why works like "Anima Christi" exist. If this was fed through a computer it would sound nothing like any of the performances of it. Nu-complexity is a bullshitter's charter.
Honestly, as atonal music goes, this is pretty listenable. I like it quite a bit so far. It's more of a 'soundscape' than a development of motivic material, and to me it works quite well - certainly better than a lot of other atonal stuff.
@@johannsebastienbach Don't you hear the changes in texture as the piece develops? I suppose you could maybe change some individual notes all over the place, but it's pretty clear there're some artistic decisions being made here
@@johannsebastienbach HAHAHAHAH! I understand how you feel. It takes a bit of a different point of view and openness to it being more than a monkey. Than you begin to see (glimpses of) the order or ethos within the apparent chaos. It's ironic that the result of a music born of high logic and creative rhetoric yields a complexity that is almost off-putting. It's not for everyone, maybe one day you'll think differently. Cheers.
@@johannsebastienbach Have a listen to Schoenberg op.11 , no.1 . Ives’s ‘Concord Sonata’ and see how you get on with them. Sometimes it can be useful to place the music in a bit of context. I remember how surprised I was when I heard Debussy’s ‘Jeux’ for the first time when I was 12 or so.
In the past I thought this wasn't music at all, hated the sound of such compositions. But now I actually find it a bit enjoyable or even comforting in certain places. It doesn't sound too bad most of the time. Embracing the total harmonic and rhythmic chaos feels kind of liberating. Some textures in this piece are quite satisfying to listen to. Despite this, tonal music is miles better, far more pleasant, satisfying, emotional, artistic and epic in my opinion.
I grew up listening to composers like Stockhausen, Babbitt, Boulez, Xenakis among others, but this piece really blew me away. First the new images from the James Webb Telescope and now this. It's a great day so far! Excellent.
A little bit disappointed in the comment section, especially from people who I know are composers. I usually compose in a classical or romantic style but I've experimented with new complexity and in my opinion it is exponentially more difficult.
just imagine how it is hard to both write it down correctly and match your aristic intent, as well as being able to read these music and perform, it's all three incredible challanging, for both composer and performer, great work! this composition sounds pleasuring and smooth comparing to other avant-guarde
Yeah, the simulation of chaos is both mathematically and musically hard to do rigorously, and I am actually impressed. Plus it isn’t completely random either. I can sense some structure after only a little bit in.
These are not random notes. There is a method to this madness. For one, don’t believe anyone could come up with this kind of music by mere chance. It must be composed. How that is, I really don’t know. Except to say, that the composer has created his own musical landscape to draw upon.
Having worked on this piece for the past 26 years, I heard a wrong note according to the manuscript on page 24, "Molto Vivace". The performer played a C# in the first note of the right hand bass part. It should be a C natural. Such errors should be avoided at all costs.
If I had a nickel for every time a thoughtful critic of art trotted out the same old Emperor's New Clothes reference, I'd have enough to buy a Da Vinci forgery
This is quite fantastically beautiful, with its dramatic choices of thinning/thickening and vast amounts of material creating a sense of time as it passes, with certain notes repeating or connecting, high or low, over these masses to make melodies. One's thanks to Ian Pace are entirely inadequate to his task, Thank you for posting it.
Just looking at this score gives me nightmares. How much time Ian Pace must have spent on practicing is probably worth one of Dante's inferno cycles. He has my respect for taking on this challenge.
@@magicmulder The glittery passagework starting at 2:57 is very pianistic indeed.....why would someone like Ian Pace settle for approximation? There are some extremely dense passages later on where pitch is maybe less of a priority than overall effect but your comment suggests you didn't listen to the piece in much detail. More of an overall impression.
@@newaccent1973 I can memorize the entire Waldstein but not a single page of this, well, noise. So that's where I draw the line about what is music for me vs. the composer just taking the piss.
8:56 what a beautiful texture it’s like hearing rain fall only a car window. Too bad people hear the first minute and judge the piece as a whole. Lots of beautiful and more accessible (considering the context of new complexity) textures. It’s not everyone’s jam, but a majority of the piece does not sound like random, pointillistic notes
After decades listening and loving classical music, I recently found myself appreciating dissonances, noises and randomness more than I had expected before. As a teenager in the past I refused to like avant-garde music but now this sound so tasteful and juicy to my ears...
First time listening to Finnissy... though this is not my taste, I do admire some parts like 4:53, 8:55, and 10:44. They sound like water/rain drops falling in a cave. Some parts give me images of hurricanes and cyclones such as 9:30 and 11:29. Perhaps this piece tries to portray how chaotic mother nature is? No idea. I don't like the piece, but it's interesting.
Very interesting work. Perhaps the precise notes chosen are less important than the sound textures created and different moods. I do not know how anyone plays this. Apart from the insane virtuousity, it can't be played looking at the score much so that means remembering it - but how to remember such difficult sequences of notes...
What about Liszt??? This is just random mess of notes! This is not music this is garbage!!!! These "artists" belong to thrash can!!! Liszt, Chopin, Beethoven, Rachmaninoff and many others. They are the tru musicans. They are meditating. This is annoyng and disturbing. Not music... Its sad...
@@simonlajcman4031 completely agree, it seems like some people think that smashing random keys is music... what has modern day society come to... smh. All of these so called contemporary avante-gardists are not real music composers, most of them couldn't even play what they wrote.
I listened from the beginning to the end. This piece has new sounds and new textures. Playing it requires special techniques that maybe only a few people in the world possess. I venture to say playing music like this requires a wholly new and different mindset from that typically of a classical pianist. Emotions-wise, I feel that this piece is a good description of the contemporary world as it is. Think about all the digital communications, financial transactions, and other technological and complex systems going around globally at any one time. Surely such things are of such a vastness that would be beyond a typical person’s emotional range to fathom. This feeling of overwhelmingness is prevalent in the music. Art is a reflection of the times of its creation. The times of Mozart, Beethoven, and Chopin were very different from our times. A lot of people say they don’t like this music. What they are really saying, I think, is that they don’t like the times they’re living in. Honestly, from time to time, I have exactly the same feeling, too!
Ian Pace performed this piece correctly, in terms of getting the right notes (but there are mistakes and errors for sure) and performing or analyzing polyrhythms, you can specifically analyze the score and his performance in order to examine his intepretion.
Oh for fucks sake.... classical music turned from the beautiful melodies of Rachmaninoff and the epicness of Strauss and Mahler to this.... how tf did people let this happen?
@@aidandavis7657 That's not what I meant. There's plenty of 19th century style music today, but this piece is not meant to be a continuation of this particular style. It's not trying to sound nice.
i think once, in measure 52 i think it was, he played f# instead of g. but great performance, must have been hard to practise. fascinating to say the least.
I'm less impressed by the composition than by the fact that someone was able to play it.
That's the best comment so far
How do you know they were able to play it?
Just roll with it, that's how you play it. Don't waste time trying to understand the rhythm.
@@TheSlowPianist THAT'S HYSTERICAL! I guess I'm busted.
@@TheSlowPianist isn't it obvious? /s
Finnissy did an excellent job of transcribing what his cat was doing at night.
That's one amazing cat!
Wait for the Sonata in meow minor. Finesse.
his Panther…
Hahaha
His cat was a genius!
Ironically enough, this may be one of the hardest pieces in the entire piano repertoire
All that work for such a thankless result. No thanks.
You mean the hardest to play or the hardest to listen to?
@@harpsichordkid both
I know!
@@harpsichordkid listen to sorabji
this is definitely one of the piano pieces of all time
You forgot to say worst
Can't believe I played this at 4 years old
Ahaha best comment ever
@@cosainsegnarealmentelatorr4532 Yeah, so quirky and authentic
Hahahaha😂
Si...recuerdo como me costó enseñarte lo.
Dude you're a genius
I finally found it!
My local college radio DJ used to spin this back in the day and I've been whistling it ever since, never knowing the name or composer. But now EUREKA!
I've finally found it!
This comment sounds like it could be a family guy joke
Virtuoso whistler
It is kinda catchy. It’s got that ear worm thing going.
How tf do you whistle this
@@Medtszkowski Purse your lips and blow!
I don't know what's more impressive, writing the notes for this piece, or being able to play them.
I once saw a little kid playing this on the piano at the mall. He surely is one of these virtuoso pianist children
at this point of my life my brain still refuses to consider this music. my ear isn't ready yet. maybe in a couple of years!
Check out "Maldon" or "Anima Christi" instead. They are far more approachable and far less rhetorical.
It's not that "your ear isn't ready". It doesn't take sophistication or evolution of taste to consider this music, it takes delusion.
Contemporary classical music has gone to shit because of this mentality. Sophistication isn't found in a complete disregard for what makes music. Abandoning the search for beauty, drama, passion, a whole spectrum of emotion. And by chasing the idea of appearing quirky and philosophical by trying to justify their works to their equally delusional peers.
@@erliLila I know for a fact that listening to this music for me is the same level of pleasure and dopamine as listening to Ravel, Brahms, etc. Listening to this whole thing wasn't a choice, I didn't do it to prove a point. I did it because I was captivated by it. I saw other TH-cam videos I wanted to watch while scrolling after randomly clicking on this, but I just couldn't help but listen to this whole thing. If you don't like this, that's fine! But I (and many others) do for no apparent reason, and there is nothing you or anyone else could say that could change it, because liking things isn't a choice. The fact that everyone has their own preferences when it comes to art is what makes art so great. The music you love (and I love) isn't going anywhere, there are still many people composing in that style, but this style isn't going anywhere either. So I'll keep listening to this because my brain for no apparent reason has decided to like it, and you'll keep listening to yours. And that's perfectly fine. You may call me delusional, but to me it's much more likely that this kind of music is just so divisive that the people who don't like it feel that way so strongly that they can't understand why anyone would, rather than a bunch of people just becoming delusional. Plenty of people like things that repulse others, that's part of life. My ear is no more refined than yours, and I am not delusional. I just like this because I do.
@@ludwigamadeusbach8363 This was actually a great argument. Nothing against you whatsoever.
@@ludwigamadeusbach8363 It just seems to me that writing in this style is just "easier" and a cop out (in my eyes as a composer) . Why spend time and effort in developing new ways of expression in an already very developed language, while you can just scribble randomly with no regard to how it sounds. Change one note in Bach (extreme example) and see what happens. Change one note in this and it is completely irrelevant. It feels like it was written far away from the instrument and the actual music. And far more focused on how it is going to be justified on paper.
If you ever wondered what a piano would sound like falling down a long flight of stairs....now you know.
@HypnoSpace Outlaw excuse me 🍉
The run starting at 2:58 is amazing
Meh
Music to my ears. Absolutely accurate when you put a toddler on a piano
So accurate indeed
This song sounds like how it feels like to be taking such a dump that you have to just hold on to the walls for dear life
I think I shall have this played at the end of my funeral.
It’s fascinating to me that the graphics of the score and the level of skill required to perform it are extremely elevated, earnest and intense, while the sonic result is so fleeting, nebulous and inconsequential.
Do you mean it's bollocks?
@@grasshoppertime hah
To me it's very almost completely scientific/mathematical approach. Emotion was actually not the intention of the focus... more of an exercise. The guy that learned this had to have got paid to do it. This must've taken quite awhile.
As a Zappa fan, and someone who has listened to Lou Reed's _Metal Machine Music_ in its entirely _twice,_ I thought this sounded like two people banging randomly on one piano.
The question to ask is not HOW it was done, but WHY?
beautiful melody on 13:34. I remember my grandma used to whistle that one when we visited her on Sundays
My local supermarket is also playing this melody arranged for the music box in Christmas seasons!
Lol what are talking about guys
Bro slipped and fell onto a piano and said “yeah this is good”
I can't even begin to imagine how long it would take to learn this piece.
Love how many views this has even if most of the comments are childish trolling. Michael's a brilliant guy and has a much wider ouvre than people might suspect. He used to be in a punk duo that toured around Europe
I suspect that most of the commenters here are either a) musicians or b) people with a strong interest in modern classical music. Who else do you think would be watching this video? It's not something that is going to just pop up randomly in your Tiktok feed.
So it's a bit condescending of you to dismiss their remarks as "childish trolling". The fact is, if you write an concerto that consists entirely of pretentious nonsense, people are going to call it out for being pretentious nonsense-- in other words, they're going to make snarky comments about it.
Your defense of Finnissy seems to be "well, he's written a variety of different types of music and he's brilliant". That's great, I'm glad to hear it. I'm still going to judge this piece on its own merits.
Waiting for the concerto part:
It definitely looks better as sheet music than it sound's.
Imagine going to a concert that you paid money for just to hear this being played and everyone else sitting quietly for 16:38, sideglancing one another.
that's working on the assumption that everyone has the same taste in music.
@@MorganHayes_Composer.Pianist I'd actually leave my house for once if someone was playing Finnissey's music somewhere I could walk to
@@jonathanwoodvincent If someone played Finnissy's music near me or at a concert, I would just hold them at gunpoint and force them to play perfectly. Of course it's not like I would know they're playing perfectly.
@@askinnyshademan so you mean that anything you point a gun at is Finnissey
Bruh I'd be hyped
it would make my whole year
It's got a good beat and you can dance to it. Kidding, I love it.
i’ve been trying so hard for years to appreciate music post-stockhausen with what i thought was this “chaotic” feeling. after reading the lectures of the new york school along with others i’m happy to say i hear this music completely differently now. amazing what a little time and a little reading can do for the ears
Could you share which lectures you read? I’m very interested in better understanding this style of music myself.
@@tfpp1 i wouldnt say that i have read any lectures that specifically point to understanding music like finnissy's. i'm more referencing the ear-/eye-opening philosophies on approaching new music by cage and his colleagues. even my recent delve into eastern philosophy has changed the way i listen to music like this.
@@Whatismusic123 i dont recall mentioning that i particularly enjoy listening to finnissy...just that it is easier for me to approach it. id also ask why it is so appalling that i am latching emotions to sounds when that has been a practice in most of music history.
@@Whatismusic123Can you explain how it’s intellectually Unintelligible? Because you can explain this music using music theory by explaining the structure of this piece , this piece isn’t really meant to sound “nice” it’s more a show off of how much information you can put into a piece of music such as Harmony , and rhythm, dynamics, and forms of extended technique into one piece , because there is a underlying structure to Michael Finissy.
@@Whatismusic123 Pretty condescending of you to accuse others of being gaslit into their own preferences lmao. At some point you gotta accept that different people have different tastes and ears than you do. There are people who like this music, myself included, even if you refuse to believe it, smh
Army of Frogs
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If you're ever depressed just think about the fact that there are people out there that think this is good.
if you ever think you have a bad taste of music just listen to this
It’s great. You’re a philistine.
Karen: "my son is so talented!"
Her son:
Like if my son could play this from the score , he‘d be the next ling ling
I was randomly recommended this even though I don't listen to atonal music as I understand this is called. I see a lot of people in the comment section genuinely enjoying and commenting on the piece so I don't want to rain on your parade but I feel like the kid at the party whose asking their mom to come pick me up please.
At least you're not that kid that calls the police when the music gets too loud lmao
Don't be confused. People only pretend to like it to feel special and elitist compared to everybody else.
@@asdfhklljfztvvw3686 I actually do like it???????
This isn’t atonal.
@@asdfhklljfztvvw3686 No. People fucking rioted when Stravinsky debuted his Rite of Spring because they were so angry.
Blackmidi before computers exist
"Ladies and Gentlemen, I...I think my brain just committed suicide....🤯"
"modern piano music isn't that bad!"
Modern piano music:
if i told you there are 7 other concertos would you cry
Thank you so much for this. It is sincerely appreciated.
If it sounds like you're just randomly hitting piano keys, the entire point of writing down specific notes is completely nullified. These modern composers overcomplicate things in order to appear sophisticated. Since when have we forgotten the ancient truth that beauty lies in simplicity?
lmao no
This music is not easily accessible to my ears so I'm going to discredit a whole genre of music🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂
@@danielfishysuave4352 Oh come on, look at those ridiculous irrational values, those stupid intervals in both hands, you know its bullshit, I know its bullshit, even Finnissy knows its bullshit which is why works like "Anima Christi" exist. If this was fed through a computer it would sound nothing like any of the performances of it. Nu-complexity is a bullshitter's charter.
Try "Maldon" or "Anima Christi" both works where Finnissy shows those very virtues.
@@danielfishysuave4352 correct
I memorized this whole piece in one weekend.
😀 awesome!
@@berkefeil5646 bruh it was a joke.
Wins the Atony Award for hostile-music Concerto of the Year!
Every piano class when being finished during COVID time be like:
How do you write and read the sheet music for this?
I can read sheet music
Not this
how do you even begin to learn this
I know it sounds weird but learning this piece is HARD!
Just twerk on the piano and it's done.
this piece is how it feels to do a plank.
if you could hear modern art, it would sound like this
Perfect track for my tomorrow's workout! Thanks!
AHAHAHA
I'm actually at the gym doing abs on this
This is my favourite concerto out of all of them, from Finnissy!
@Mazzel Tov shut up and leave the comment sections to less miserable and less r....ded people.
@Mazzel Tov what a sh!tty human being you are, you should be ashamed
@Mazzel Tov ?
@@AvarFPS wtf this guy on about
@@olive4359 that guy's just a racist dumb f
Honestly, as atonal music goes, this is pretty listenable. I like it quite a bit so far.
It's more of a 'soundscape' than a development of motivic material, and to me it works quite well - certainly better than a lot of other atonal stuff.
So how is this different from randomly pressing some keys or just get a monkey to do it
@@johannsebastienbach Don't you hear the changes in texture as the piece develops? I suppose you could maybe change some individual notes all over the place, but it's pretty clear there're some artistic decisions being made here
@@klop4228 no i dont
@@johannsebastienbach HAHAHAHAH! I understand how you feel. It takes a bit of a different point of view and openness to it being more than a monkey. Than you begin to see (glimpses of) the order or ethos within the apparent chaos. It's ironic that the result of a music born of high logic and creative rhetoric yields a complexity that is almost off-putting. It's not for everyone, maybe one day you'll think differently. Cheers.
@@johannsebastienbach Have a listen to Schoenberg op.11 , no.1 . Ives’s ‘Concord Sonata’ and see how you get on with them. Sometimes it can be useful to place the music in a bit of context. I remember how surprised I was when I heard Debussy’s ‘Jeux’ for the first time when I was 12 or so.
after listening for a while it starts to grow on you, there's some parts that are pretty cool
This makes me want to start composing music….
Maybe you are better than michale finnisey
In the past I thought this wasn't music at all, hated the sound of such compositions. But now I actually find it a bit enjoyable or even comforting in certain places. It doesn't sound too bad most of the time. Embracing the total harmonic and rhythmic chaos feels kind of liberating. Some textures in this piece are quite satisfying to listen to. Despite this, tonal music is miles better, far more pleasant, satisfying, emotional, artistic and epic in my opinion.
The musical notation is _utterly amazing…_ and the performance is _simply stunning!_
I love Finissy's work! probably my favorite of the so-called New Complexity composers, the illigimate offspring of Liszt and Cecil Taylor!!
11:45 became my limit. Sorry. Urgently need to dive into Marcello's concerto straight away to stay sane.
People are shitting on this so much oml just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have to degrade it like that
I grew up listening to composers like Stockhausen, Babbitt, Boulez, Xenakis among others, but this piece really blew me away. First the new images from the James Webb Telescope and now this. It's a great day so far! Excellent.
Have a excellent day
The only similiarty among them is they all had no talent
@@johannsebastienbach Could you tell me your specific opinion about why do you think that they had NO talents
@@achoikomposition becos they were both able to compose anything that people can listen? Simple as that?
@@johannsebastienbach This makes no sense
I love how he moved from augmented 7th to the tonic, but sadly he missed the perfect 4th and augmented 3rd.
🤣
I think he missed a G sharp on page 28
Don’t be that guy.
@@NoahSpurrierbro doesn’t know what a joke is
Yes...and because of that little glitch it does FLUIDLY proceed to the second theme...what a shame!
Finnissy is an absolute genius.
you think ? maybe he played randomly on his keyboard and his music notation software generated, very badly, his score !
@@gloubilo132 All of his music is handwritten
A little bit disappointed in the comment section, especially from people who I know are composers. I usually compose in a classical or romantic style but I've experimented with new complexity and in my opinion it is exponentially more difficult.
7:52 - 8:17 part is good
I couldn't stop laughing while listening to it😅😅 It's something new for me tbh
just imagine how it is hard to both write it down correctly and match your aristic intent, as well as being able to read these music and perform, it's all three incredible challanging, for both composer and performer, great work!
this composition sounds pleasuring and smooth comparing to other avant-guarde
Yeah, the simulation of chaos is both mathematically and musically hard to do rigorously, and I am actually impressed. Plus it isn’t completely random either. I can sense some structure after only a little bit in.
@@wiwaxiasilver827 The only structure this piece has is in it's constant and calm parts, where you just mash the same 6 notes for a bit.
My virtuoso cat performed this on my piano last night. I didn't know what the piece was called. Now I do!
These are not random notes. There is a method to this madness. For one, don’t believe anyone could come up with this kind of music by mere chance. It must be composed. How that is, I really don’t know. Except to say, that the composer has created his own musical landscape to draw upon.
Me at day 1 of simply piano
Having worked on this piece for the past 26 years, I heard a wrong note according to the manuscript on page 24, "Molto Vivace". The performer played a C# in the first note of the right hand bass part. It should be a C natural. Such errors should be avoided at all costs.
That was right, awesome job :)
Daaaaamn
Ruined the whole piece. What an unforgivable mistake :P
epic joke
Bruh
Such a lovely hummable melody 🫠
“But the Emperor has nothing at all on!” said a little child...
If I had a nickel for every time a thoughtful critic of art trotted out the same old Emperor's New Clothes reference, I'd have enough to buy a Da Vinci forgery
What would you call this type of tense, unsettling piano playing? I want to look up similar soundtracks
New Complexity
I mean... it grows on you
It sure does
A real toe-tapper. I kid, there's some real beauty here, but Stravinsky would be outraged!
YO THIS HITS HARD!
i’m feeling sleepy already 🥱😴💤
This is quite fantastically beautiful, with its dramatic choices of thinning/thickening and vast amounts of material creating a sense of time as it passes, with certain notes repeating or connecting, high or low, over these masses to make melodies. One's thanks to Ian Pace are entirely inadequate to his task, Thank you for posting it.
This actually isn't music, it was a joke.
@@stitcherlives you're a joke
@@Squirrel-zq6oe loser
@@stitcherlives oh no you got me 💀
@@Squirrel-zq6oe oh god no, you got yourself years ago by being a fucking moron :)
I appreciate d act of uploading. That and only that. Thank you, uploader. I appreciate your effort in uploading whatever this is.
This isn't music, it's piano assault
Some feel like that
2:57 slaps
Just looking at this score gives me nightmares. How much time Ian Pace must have spent on practicing is probably worth one of Dante's inferno cycles. He has my respect for taking on this challenge.
He probably just went “OK so 55 bars of upwards downwards madness, then 33 bars of hammering on all keys at once, I can do that”.
@@magicmulder The glittery passagework starting at 2:57 is very pianistic indeed.....why would someone like Ian Pace settle for approximation? There are some extremely dense passages later on where pitch is maybe less of a priority than overall effect but your comment suggests you didn't listen to the piece in much detail. More of an overall impression.
@@newaccent1973 I can memorize the entire Waldstein but not a single page of this, well, noise. So that's where I draw the line about what is music for me vs. the composer just taking the piss.
@@magicmulder you're missing out on a lot of that's your criteria but each to their own.
8:56 what a beautiful texture it’s like hearing rain fall only a car window. Too bad people hear the first minute and judge the piece as a whole. Lots of beautiful and more accessible (considering the context of new complexity) textures. It’s not everyone’s jam, but a majority of the piece does not sound like random, pointillistic notes
You’re undoubtedly right : most people don’t listen beyond the first minute if that . Short attention spans etc
After decades listening and loving classical music, I recently found myself appreciating dissonances, noises and randomness more than I had expected before. As a teenager in the past I refused to like avant-garde music but now this sound so tasteful and juicy to my ears...
Guess that makes 50 year old me a teenager again. ;)
First time listening to Finnissy... though this is not my taste, I do admire some parts like 4:53, 8:55, and 10:44. They sound like water/rain drops falling in a cave. Some parts give me images of hurricanes and cyclones such as 9:30 and 11:29. Perhaps this piece tries to portray how chaotic mother nature is? No idea. I don't like the piece, but it's interesting.
OH LOOK
MY LITTLE BROTHER WROTE A PIANO CONCERTO!
Your little brother has some big hands and speedy fingers.
Very interesting work. Perhaps the precise notes chosen are less important than the sound textures created and different moods. I do not know how anyone plays this. Apart from the insane virtuousity, it can't be played looking at the score much so that means remembering it - but how to remember such difficult sequences of notes...
to me, this is highly recognizable music (highly recognizable piece) not random cats playing. i luv it, thanks for posting!
What about Liszt??? This is just random mess of notes! This is not music this is garbage!!!! These "artists" belong to thrash can!!! Liszt, Chopin, Beethoven, Rachmaninoff and many others. They are the tru musicans. They are meditating. This is annoyng and disturbing. Not music... Its sad...
I think u need a brain tumour examination
@@simonlajcman4031 completely agree, it seems like some people think that smashing random keys is music... what has modern day society come to... smh. All of these so called contemporary avante-gardists are not real music composers, most of them couldn't even play what they wrote.
@@VadimGolovetskiy And imagine paying for this on concert...
@@simonlajcman4031 haha, I'll just leave, or push down the "pianist" and play something good myself.
12:45 Ah yes, finally.
Less than 5 seconds later… 12:49
I listened from the beginning to the end. This piece has new sounds and new textures. Playing it requires special techniques that maybe only a few people in the world possess. I venture to say playing music like this requires a wholly new and different mindset from that typically of a classical pianist.
Emotions-wise, I feel that this piece is a good description of the contemporary world as it is. Think about all the digital communications, financial transactions, and other technological and complex systems going around globally at any one time. Surely such things are of such a vastness that would be beyond a typical person’s emotional range to fathom. This feeling of overwhelmingness is prevalent in the music.
Art is a reflection of the times of its creation. The times of Mozart, Beethoven, and Chopin were very different from our times. A lot of people say they don’t like this music. What they are really saying, I think, is that they don’t like the times they’re living in. Honestly, from time to time, I have exactly the same feeling, too!
I really wished I lived in a different era honestly lol
I honestly found this enjoyable besides the very beginning minute and a half.
I can't even tell if the pianist is hitting the right notes. How do you even begin to practice this piece? What...?
Ian Pace performed this piece correctly, in terms of getting the right notes (but there are mistakes and errors for sure) and performing or analyzing polyrhythms, you can specifically analyze the score and his performance in order to examine his intepretion.
you heard about most scariest pieces are liszt's pieces and still has meaning but you didnt hear about this piano concerto no4
Good concerto. I am impressed with the handwritten score.
It might or might not have been hand written
This isn't handwritten
humans tire of close variation with worms receiving little sustenance
Based A Theme By Haydn .
This moment at parties when u say ur a pianist and they ask u to play this 🙄
Oh for fucks sake.... classical music turned from the beautiful melodies of Rachmaninoff and the epicness of Strauss and Mahler to this.... how tf did people let this happen?
It's not really meant to be in succession of 19th century romanticism
@@jere3558 unfortunately, maybe some form of standards would've been retained.
@@aidandavis7657 That's not what I meant. There's plenty of 19th century style music today, but this piece is not meant to be a continuation of this particular style. It's not trying to sound nice.
@@jere3558 thank you for putting it so great "it's not trying to sound nice"
@Gary Allen "not sounding nice" is not a goal.
Imagine practicing this😢 now think about the neighbors calling the police every day 😂
it takes weeks just to read and play well a single bar
This is what it’s like to have a 4 year old roll around on a piano, then recording and transcribing all of it
I'm starting to unironically enjoy this concerto
mom i'm scared
Lmfao
*Orchestra has left the chat*
Ian Pace is a true master if he could read this piece, let alone play it correctly
I don't think it's physically possible to play this as written, but very skilled pianists can get pretty close I believe
@@andreibaradayenka2016 Thank you for saying this I was feeling overwhelmed thinking "Is he REALLY playing that?" It's just nuts!?
Fun fact Every cat really loves this song, why else you think they walk over the piano.
i think once, in measure 52 i think it was, he played f# instead of g. but great performance, must have been hard to practise. fascinating to say the least.
Alternative title: when your cat plays the piano at 3am
I can play like this without needing notes or time to compose would you believe it? :D