György Ligeti - Piano Concerto (1985-1988, audio+score)
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Conductor: Nicholas Collon
Performers: Shai Wosner with the Danish National Symphony Orchestra
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00:02 I: Vivace molto ritmico e preciso
03:51 II: Lento e deserto
10:12 III: Vivace cantabile
14:21 IV: Allegro risoluto, molto ritmico
18:57 V: Presto luminoso, fluido, constante, sempre molto ritmico
Explanation of the arrows used here: • Microtonal arrows.
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yes
kobbelobbe lol
People get admitted to psychiatric asylums for less.
No
@Schuyler Bacn no.
This concerto is humanity's application for membership to the Interstellar Galactic Federation.
That's it
🤣
Update : It was rejected
I once interviewed Pierre-Laurent Aimard, Ligeti's favourite pianist, and asked him how he could physically endure playing Ligeti's piano music. He then told me he regularly did Aikido, the Japanese martial art (a very gentle species).
at least we have discovered the utility of aikido
@@null8295 LOL
The pianist who plays my piano concerto at the time is practicing Kung Fu (the original one). As a Kung Fu monk, his name is Miao He ("connector").
Probably it would be hard to do such artistic work without being fit mentally AND physically.
@@dieterammann4 Thank you for your interesting reply. I listened to your astonishing piano concerto on TH-cam and indeed, I can easily imagine that a performer needs Kung Fu to play this score.
BTW, I met Dutch composer Simeon ten Holt a few times, and I am acquainted with Frederic Voorn (also Dutch). Plus at a press conference I talked a few minutes with Philip Glass (whoopee!). But that was ten years ago. Now I feel a bit honoured that you should reply to my remark. Best to you.
@@BuckshotLaFunke1 You're welcome. I like interested people with an open mind.
I like to listen to Ligeti in order to relax and concentrate
I listen to Ligeti when I sleep.
ligeti is a genius
I only have 10 fingers
That's good, then you can play the piece.
"You didn't know? Wonderful, wasn't it? That piece can only be played with twelve."
The top 2 lines are the solo piano - not the lower three ones!
@@kpunkt.klaviermusik because that makes everything soooo much easier
Use your feets
This is definitely music! I couldn't do it, but I'm glad he did! I totally enjoyed the trip!
Thanks for pointing that out-I for one, wasn't sure.
such a bop omg
bop
absolutely astonishing
pure genius
(00:02) I: Vivace molto ritmico e preciso
(03:52) II: Lento e deserto
(10:12) III: Vivace cantabile
(14:21) IV: Allegro risoluto, molto ritmico
(18:57) V: Presto luminoso, fluido, constante, sempre molto ritmico
György Ligeti completed his Piano Concerto in 1988. It is in five movements, twenty-five minutes in duration, and perhaps the finest concerto from the 1980s. In the late 1960s and early 1970s the composer wrote many successful concertos. In these earlier works, Ligeti was writing extremely dense and dissonant works in a style that utilized micropolyphony, a method of writing he created where numerous independent melodic lines become a larger, sonorous mass of sound. Ligeti had acquired enough listeners and imitators to be at the forefront of the avant-garde. Then in the late 1970s he suffered a heart condition that made him incapable of composing for years. When he returned to health in the 1980s the music he was writing was different, in some ways returning to his original love of Bartók which preceded his period of micropolyphony compositions.
Ligeti's Piano Concerto is a super-modern piano concerto, featuring all the knowledge and musicality of a brilliant composer who had carefully absorbed the musical lessons and currents of the twentieth century. It eludes serialism but does not shy completely away from the sonorities associated with it. Ligeti and Boulez were good friends, and Boulez often conducted and recorded Ligeti's. It is interesting that Boulez had once championed a specific kind of avant-garde approach and claimed it to be the only one of value, but became an advocate of one of the very few composers who ignored this mandate completely.
The beginning of the Concerto is among the most consonant moments in Ligeti's catalog, spiraling into regions of timbre and rhythmic impetus that have no precedent. It is not regressive or grindingly rigorous, never sounding as though it attempts to fit a new method of composing into an exclusive musical envelope. Other important influences at work here are the piano rolls of Conlon Nancarrow, and fractal mathematics. Clearly, this is synthetic music. Furthermore, Ligeti is not afraid to have a horn solo sail over the burgeoning musical engine of great excitement, even though the idea is unoriginal in theory. In this work, there is very little of a foreground/background duality. The piano steers the ship from within, making its presence not a separate component but rather a vital one. What is really wondrous about this work is its lack of lofty tone. Ligeti here seems jubilant, having a great time, and is well-disposed towards all. Ligeti's Piano Concerto is an excellent piece for introducing the uninitiated to the world of the avant-garde; it is welcoming, warm, and makes a total lack of triviality sound as approachable as a Buster Keaton film.
From allmusic.com
Ur right to tell me, my right not to believe you:))
This a good concerto, but the finest of the 80s? I'm giving the edge to the Lutoslawski, Dutilleux's "L'arbre des songes" or Tippett's Triple.
The finest piano concerto from 80 is by Lutosławski
Definitely one of the best concertos written in the 20th century. Some parts reminded me of Messiaen's Des Canyons aux Étoiles
so true that horn is guilty!
I love hearing the jazz influence in this ... Ligetti is among my favorite 20th-century composers, and hearing him incorporate jazz elements into a composition increases my love for his music ...
I wish I could just put my life on pause and spend some months practicing only this. Even if I didn’t manage to play it in the end, it would be great just to be able to build a relationship with this music and such fun rythmic puzzles to solve!!!
This physically hurts my soul but still a rhythmical masterpiece.
Ligeti really had a great sense of rhythm. If only he hadn't wasted that talent on noisy cacophonies with zero musical value.
@@hoon_sol If you don't like it don't listen to it
@@jimit.4220:
You have to listen to a piece once before you can judge it, you absolute moron. But I will indeed never be listening to it again.
@@hoon_sol Can't agree more
@jimit.4220 This is revolutionary! It's wonderful that someone has at last discovered a way of finding out you don't like a piece without listening to it! Your genius will reverberate down the centuries!☺️ Reminds me of the time many years ago when my Dad told me after my 6 year old fingers had made some ghastly noise on the piano-"Don't play until you know how!".
This is that kind of concerto that would have someone from the audience coughing and it is part of the piece
Wtf
Now what a ridiculous statement! Ligeti’s coughing rhythms are too complex for untrained audience members to perform! Are you confusing Ligeti with Cage?
@@ohadnativ youre completly right i do apologize
the true definition of orchestral jazz
In case you thought Etude 1 was massively difficult, LET'S ORCHESTRATE IT! Good luck rehearsing! - György Ligeti (not)
Ligeti notation always makes my head hurt.
I'm starting to wonder if Ligeti actually looked at his hand and counted his fingers.
for me one of the best concertos of the 20th century.Thank you very much for uploading.
rach 3
@@Walnutpaste o-ok
@@Walnutpaste fair but so is ligeti
Quality wise they are around the same level even if ligeti concerto is much more progressive
How much is Ligeti's ghost paying you to write this?
This is so good
This must be one of the hardest piano concerto ever.
Yes, and for the entire orchestra :o
Yes, it is
Yes and not only to listen to.
This and Rautavaara's concerto n.1
@@paeffill9428 Busoni is not that hard I believe, it's just very massive. And Sorabji's are a technical demand, whereas this is extremely mental difficulty.
Astonishing that the orchestra can play it. Even if you play it on your own, it will be so difficult with everybody together.
Beautiful score reduction, thank you!
This is mid-century avant garde style with nothing to prove...just a lot of FUN!
Thanks so much!
Virtuosic, dense and sensational.....BRAVI TUTTI from Acapulco!
Thats what my brain does to me the moment i fell asleep
I love this so much. One of my favorite piano concertos with Mozart KV503, Beethoven 5th and Ravel left hand.
13:08 Xylophone Exerpt
This is the most, and without a doubt the piece that is
I can hear his Piano etudes. Great Piano concerto!
19:58 Love that trumpet part
this shit go hard, absolut fire🔥
Truly inspired, incredible orchestration. Ligeti sees timbre in ways the rest of us could only dream of.
Are you mad? This is beyond atrocious, utter shit.
@@Enigmatic_Music1 Wow, you're right. Your clever, insightful, and truly poetic rebuttal has made me rethink my entire opinion about contemporary music.
It blows my mind how anyone could listen to this and think "this is good" it's a total mess, no rhythm, no structure, no melody's, no coordination, no nothing just a swirling attack on the instruments with no discernable melody or anything remotely memorable at any point anywhere. Absolutely appaling "music", if you can call it that.
@@Enigmatic_Music1 How old are you? If you're any older than 18 you should be embarrassed that you're still ignorant enough to think you know everything.
I'm nearly 33. I should be embarrassed that I don't think this rubbish is good? Seriously it sounds like the work of an autistic 4 year old
Fantastic recording, the ensemble nails the rhythmic intricacies of this monster.
Not a fan of everything ligeti wrote but this is definitly a masterpiece
As an ignorant in terms of music that I am, all I can hear is a mess of various instruments at the same and not at the same time. It would be nice to understand why people say this is masterpiece
Masterpiece
This is a masterpiece to you? Are you OK?
Daniel Reece Jeez, just because YOU don’t like it means it’s shit. I hate people with that mentality. I don’t care if you hate this piece, it’s still a masterpiece nonetheless.
@@abraxasstone objective genius i agree
INCREDIBLE!
I like the effects in the second movement.
That Vivace cantabile was awsome dude
thanks for sharing !
Wonderful piece, but I've always thought it should be titled 5 Pieces for Piano and Orchestra. Like the études, each movement is thrilling on its own, but they don't quite cohere into a unified whole.
what a performance! respect.
One of my favorite pieces and performances of 20th century music! Not quite chaos.
Holy shit that 2nd mvmt is intense goddammit
Ligeti's singular comment that he was disciple of Laangaard without knowing it is nowhere more in evidence in the other worldly, celestial 2nd movement.
It’s been less than 10 seconds and I think my brain already exploded like how do you write a piece like this
Everyone has different taste in music. I still belive, in this genre, Ligeti was a genius. Fav composer forever
Excellent interpretation/performance. With textures and lines difficult to find in other recordings. Thanks
texture on texture on texture its just too good
I like it 👍
it's interesting just how much quieter the pianist has made the unaccented notes in all those triplets. I can hardly hear them.
Gyorgy Ligeti- Concerto for two pianos
Fantastique ! J'adore Ligeti l'éclectique, mieux que Boulez le technicien, que Stockhausen le fou.
When I first listened to this, I saw it as garbage, I now see it as a kinda good concerto
The TH-cam algorithm release me!!! I checked out his violin concerto now you recommend all his compositions. I am depressed not schizophrenic!!
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I like this concerto, but I have reservations. A certain 'sameness' is barely avoided from movement to movement. But it has a lot of personality and humor, and with Ligeti, also terror. Much of his early music was rhythmically amorphous. His later music went in the opposite direction to rhythmically distinct.
really interesting. would like to play it :D
The fear with Ligeti is that if I listen too often eventually i will grow tired of it. Ten intense years of Brahms proved the point. Oh well there will be other composers by that time. The originality, brilliance, levity and gravity, the show tunes quality, the high modernism, the intense noise and joy and disguised sturm und drang and an ending that is better than a disney ride.
Could one of the experts confirm the vast number of quotes Ligeti has buried in this composition. Bartok and Stravinsky - who else?
My brain in an exam
This sounds like my middle school music class lmao
such an amazing class then
Yeah if only my middle school music class sounded like this :(
Your's must have been a very good school. :-)
Ok idiot
i would say top 10 for his works
Frenético! Brilhante!
21:00 Ligeti what the actual fk
Somebody in music history had to do it
such a bop to me
曲も曲だけど演奏できているのもすごい！！名演。
The rhythmic demands on the ensemble might be even more difficult than physically exhausting demands placed on the pianist... probably very easy to fuck this up
The influence when I discovered contemporary music, has a name: Ligeti.
Got the same feeling, cheers Dieter!
@@rollo5878 one can even hear it sometimes ;-)) for example here:
th-cam.com/video/qyYFZk-wYD4/w-d-xo.html
Видимо Лигети лучше остальных смог нащупать тот водораздел между тональным и атональным .... , ... между порядком и хаосом.
@@helliumluminuss8247yes
Fitts to Beksiński 's paintings so much!
피아노와 타악기의 조화가 인상깊다.
You would never recognise it if there was a mistake here
Ligeti's style of fast notes and scales with lack of arpeggios and chords and with extreme dynamics is something I'm scared to try to understand.
When you get used to his style his music becomes amazing
@@GUILLOM When the
@@GUILLOM Mahler symphony ft. sorbaji when
@@hyperthesi6370 ok
Mi parte favorita desde 8:55 hasta 9:6
Same!!!
It feels like an object gaining momentum until it breaks the sound barrier and catapults into another dimension
Ha qualcosa della leggerezza di Ravel
Very cool
is it just me, or does certain parts just make me jump. like actual jumpscares lol
Omg. I can barely follow the score..
Ginastera 1 quotes Bartok 2. They are in a class by themselves, i.e Bach and Mozart of today, like the Rach 3.🎶
they made a dance for this. Its called the flail
I heard the first few notes and just thought "What the fuck is this?" lol like Ligeti made this and was just like "I mean ig someone will be able to play this at some point"
based Ligeti
good
Is it possible somehow to have/buy the piano reduction? Could be a big help. Ps. I'm italian
2악장 죽이네 사운드나 진행이나 미쳤음
It’s like New Orleans just got pulled through another dimension. Is this based on 12-tone rows?
No
......... Чередование пафоса и проникновения .. ! ВЕЛИКОЛЕПНО ! Пафос - так до предельного заряда пороха ;
Проникновение --- вплоть до предельного удлиннения капиллярного русла эфирного тела ....... !
В подобном ключе творил Альфред Шнитке.
..... С подпиской из Украины
💛💙😊
Es una genialidad
I love Ligeti, but I'm so confused right now.
Me too.
Me too.
0:57
My favorite part, along with some other parts in the second movement
The first movement keeps reminding me of the Rugrats theme song...weird
This is reminiscent of trying to understand theoretical physics without a mathematical foundation in the field. I can only process parts of it and others are irritating. Seems like a piece for composers written by a composer. Nothing wrong with that. But it does limit its audience. Though if one is willing to stay for the entire work he will find accessible moments. To even know who Ligeti is requires some education in the field of music, as is evidenced in the fact that this video provides you his score, which means little to us lay folks. Music Theory at its best? Comments below demonstrate this.
It isn't actually that hard to understand, ligeti's own style is really unique, and sometimes it's hard to get used to it. I recommend you his piano etudes
@@GUILLOM I was once confused by Ligeti's music, but ever since I listened to his piano etudes I understood his music. Now I can't get enough of his music.
I think the better analogy is that the music is in another language. If you don't speak a word French you're not going to understand a word without time & study. But you certainly don't have to be a scholar - 2 year olds speak it after all.
I hate this
But I hate it the same way I'd hate a cosmic horror story. It's so incomprehensible yet there's some form of direction the music seems to be following. If the movement starts out loud and gets higher in pitch continuously, like the first movement, that's how it'll be till its end; if it starts out quiet and/or somewhat slow, like in the second movement, for the most part it stays that way, and any loud sounds are intended to stand out
There's a clear designs but the intention of that design isn't to simply please the listener, same way an eldritch god can have a will and direction but that doesn't have to be for the benifit of those who observe it.
It fills me with some form of fear because I can tell its ordered but I don't understand it, and I think that's the part that people struggle to reconcile with. If people value the music having a direction more than understandable harmony, they'll praise it as if it shows the beauty of a Chopin piece. If they prioritise "normal" harmony, they treat it as if it's a bunch of nonsensical sounds with no meaning whatsoever.
I just like listening to this because I actually kinda like the unease it brings, like it's some form of catharsis
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
The first of the piano etudes echoes throughout this work Brilliant playing. Well done. As a pianist I am envious.
Is this piece available in two piano versions? It's really wonderful!!
I think it is impossible to have that version, because of the tuning system used in the piece.
8:57
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How does one even go about conducting this?
i've tried waving my Hand around to the first movement and it actually doesn't seem that hard once you understand the Rhythm the piano is playing. But i guess in real life in front of an actual orchestra that's a completely different world
I think because of all the different metric subdivisions, you would conduct this by giving "big beats" and hope that your orchestra players can subdivide
@@slateflash you essentially conduct in 4/4, the piano plays in 12/8 with 3 of its eigth notes in the same duration as 2 eigths in the other instruments, and then you really just have to hope that your players can count and subdivide
You do a lot of figuring out - analysing, internalising, planning and practising. No two conductors will conduct this is the same way.
jazzy
What happen with Ligeti!? 😭 my brain saw that sheet and collapsed
As i sit on my toilet taking big doo doo from big last night pizza I listen to piano this concerto is and I like.
Sir you live the life
Vaya tostón de obra 🤯
Cómo carajos puede una obra tan intensa como esta parecerte un tostón.
10:12 - 14:21