Best BEAR Rounds! - 12 gauge vs 4570 vs 500 magnum
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I work in remote locations all across the state of Alaska - my bear defense preferences are; 12 gauge loaded with slugs for brush and in a camp, and the .45-70 loaded with hardcast +P rounds when I'm on open tundra or terrain with good visibility. I almost prefer the .45-70 because it's also an awesome moose round. Full disclosure though: I haven't had to kill any bear in self-defense yet, I've been both exceptionally lucky and very careful.
Some tell stories about charging big bears to show their bravery. The wise know that usually happens with defecating in your pants at the same time. The truly wise would prefer not to have an experience.
Do you think 12g size 4 shot would be enough to fend if a bear?
@@paulreid7129 I certainly wouldn’t use it - penetration is the name of the game, I like a jacketed sabot slug myself.
I’ve only seen a grizzly turn from a charge once, and that was because of a dog I had with me; meanwhile I was fighting with the 7.5” barrel on my Ruger Super Redhawk. Never count on a bear being spooked or turned by anything other than a kill shot.
@paulreid7129 NO. ABSOLUTELY NOT !!! For home defense yes. For a bear. NO NO NO
I'd go with the 12 gauge. It did more damage and transfered more energy. A 3 inch 1.5 Oz slug is a big, heavy powerful round. I'd feel pretty comfortable in Bear territory with a Shotgun loaded with Breneke Black Magic Magnum slugs.
If its still moving after 3 rounds from my 4570 I'm using the 4th round on myself!
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@Dave Alexander --Many Deer have been Killed with a 22 Magnum...
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The difference in penetration was more a function of bullet construction than the cartridges or the platforms they were fired from.
Yes, I was surprised the revolver penetrated so much farther. My guess before watching was that the rifle would prevail, but not by much. Now I want an in-depth presentation from Paul Harrell.
I was wondering if the shotgun and rifle projectiles were moving too fast for their own good for this test. Just too much velocity at point-blank for the projectile construction.
I was thinking the same thing
To even up the comparison a long barrel for the 500S&Wmag would be interesting. Maybe the Big Horn Armory Model 89 lever gun? Other than the one you have with you, I'm still not for sure which bullet style, caliber and firearm combination is best. I'm more concerned with a defensive aspect over the hunting scenario, if that matters when comparing all options. Also, a little more concerned with Brown Bears than Black Bears, not to underestimate any wild animal's capabilities.
Big horm armory lever gun is $2500. I'm broke
I used to think these plate tests were useless but as a standardized disposable medium it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for all the data and enjoyment I get from your channel mate.
I'll keep this in mind when I run into a Grizzly wearing a paper plate vest!
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I have herd that in certain places in the smokies them bears wear paper plate armor. A rumor? I don't know lol
The 12ga and 45-70 seemed to be soft lead and the 500 seemed to be hard cast which makes a big difference
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Agreed
Seems like the 12ga had more punch, as it moved the rear cinder block more than the other two loads. I'm sure the soft lead, as well as diameter, limited the penetration. I prefer 12ga magnum slugs. Seems to me there's more damage crested. However, I am very impressed by the other two.
Thank you tons for this video
I have a 444 Marlin and have hed hard cast handloads made for that very reason
Yea, I was confused about the 45-70 not penetrating the farthest with the longer barrel more velocity? The hard cast in the 500 would make sense, I suppose?
Daniel-son: "Mr. Miyagi, can you chop through paper plates?"
Mr. Miyagi: "Don't know.... never been attacked by paper plates."
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I've found that a 12 gauge slug will solve most problems. ...
Never shot a 10 guage
Never shot one either ......why don't you do a paper plate challenge would love to see that.....
eric sorenson your right I used to shoot the BRI SOBOT SLUG they are extremely nasty
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.45-70 is an outstanding choice but in big brown/mountain grizzly country I think I’d have to go with a 12 gauge pump for my defensive choice. It’s a toss up, but I like the power those bear slugs put out and I think under duress it might be easier to short stroke a lever action rifle than a pump shottie. Love your videos man🐻👍
The 10 guage is not stronger than the shortest 12ga. This is due to it being loaded to a lower standard pressure.
Appreciate your channel. Enjoy the excitement, as well as keeping the tests fairly scientific!
Appreciate you watching!
I agree with your conclusion for hunting. But for emergencies and self defense against a big bear, I'll take the 12 gauge in a good pump. Even big bears are soft skinned. The energy dump on that 12 gauge was truly impressive. As expected.
...Bears have really thick skin. Where u finding "soft skinned" bear?
I love using a 12 gauge with a slug on bears, they work real good...50 years and never lost any bear.
Western Ontario Canada.
Thanks Keith. I need to come hunting with you sometime
People regularly hunt and kill bears with a single bow and arrow shot so using a gun is overkill.
@@Semper Fi Nope, no using a back up gun is needed. You just need to be smart and sit up in a tree blind to shoot the bear with bow and arrow.
Keyser Soze to each his own. You like bow hunting? Go bow hunting. 🍻
@@Key5ser5oze "hunting" a bear and "stopping" a bear charging are completely different as well.
Hunting the bear doesn't know you're there and a bow doesn't produce a shock wave like a gun... There bear just sorta bleeds out and wanders off like "WTF just happened to me".
A pissed off bear will definitely chase your ass up a tree and run faster than dogs through woods.... That is when you need a gun....a bow is not the weapon of choice since it's likely to maul you before it bleeds out. Hitting a running bear is extremely difficult anyway.
Imagine if that 500 magnum had a longer barrel like the other two. Very impressive!
Thre is a point of no return thus no net gain i velocity with pistol cartridges. All the powder burns in the barrel at a certain length and after that point, friction takes it's toll and a drop if of velocity.
@@denisdegamon8224 They make lever guns for the .460 and .500 s&w and the gains are crazy. In fact the .460 out shines the 45-70 with 300 gr. Or less. The .500 is an animal in the lever gun. (Bighorn arms)
Thanks for the video. I like seeing the comparisons! 😊
We appreciate this fun video. We appreciate the expense, the work & the pain! Love the .45-70!
I would go with the 12 gauge... much bigger hole and more diameter. The entrance wound is devastating
Great video as always
Thanks!
Very interesting! The impact of all these rounds was impressive. Couldn't help notice how the 12 gauge slug blew all the plates off the table. It takes a lot of force to push such a large object through those plates. Impressive all the way around. Thank you!
Thanks for watching Rich!!!
@@WHOTEEWHO You're welcome. I've been stocking up on 00 buckshot and slugs for home defense so your 'Bear Rounds" feature caught my attention. Besides, I've been wondering about loads for dangerous game.
Even though the .500 penetrated much further in... you can see it did not have the expansion of energy as the 12 gauge and .45 70 which leads me to believe the later two would have probably stopped a charging bear more effectively. I can be wrong on this, please feel free to correct me!
I think all of them have been proven to stop bears, just a 12 gauge can do it for 1/4 the price. Not to mention before the pandemic you could pick up the ammo from any Walmart for less than a 1/4 the price.
Had hard cast bullets been used (which is usually recommended for bear) I think the 45-70 would have faired a lot better. Great video. Thanks for putting in the work.
Thanks for watching!
Wow! That 12 ga. slug really shocked that stack of plates. Very impressive. Thanks WTH.
Thanks for watching! Yeah that 12-gauge definitely rocks things and even pushed back that back cinder block
@John Twelvegage dropped multiple deer where they stood with basic Remington 1oz rifled HP slugs between 80-110 yards. You can reach out with 12 gauge if you practice
Very kool video. Trying to decide on lever action rifle to hunt Cape buffalo in South Africa. This is quite helpful- many thanks!
What a great demonstration. Thank you for doing this video.
Thanks for watching!
The construction of the bullet makes all the Diff in these kinda of tests and actual penetration, the .500 magnum bullet was the tougher bullet, the 45-70 with a heat treated hardcast bullet is truly amazing on penetration.
I know a genuine "Native" Gal from Alaska. And back home in the center of Bear County she wares a .44 magnum revolver just to walk around in her own back yard.
She says the neighbors all carry .44 mag. Carbines! Guess that's where all them nice Rugers ended up!
Wowee! I was surprised at how well the .500 Magnum did. Thank you for sharing!
that 500 has some POWER
10 mm better less recoil hits hard penitrates good with hard cast bigger capacity 5 rounds fired is still only 1/3 mag lighter easy to aim recoil not bad am 69 shoot mine one handed ,am big bore fan pistol rifle you can load light or heavy but ya cant make a little bullet do a big job no matter how fast it goes small fast rock or big ass slow Boulder dead is dead dont realy matter how
it got that way
You have come a long way brother
I would pick the 4570 also, but use a harder bullet that would hold together at mag loads. I think if it had not disintegrated, it would have given the 500 a run for it's money. I had a Ruger #1 for many years and it did incredible things with heavy reloads and hard cast bullets. Great vid, thanks.
a Ruger #1 with pissin' hot hardcast 45-70 loads could probably kill God himself
Penetration is overrated as even the Brenneke slug easily penetrates bears, the .45-70 smokes the .500 for damage done which is what matters.
600 grain hard cast 45 70 = dead elephant charging at 50 ft ill keep my 45 70 going back to finish big 5 and yes my 45 70 sbl this time
Love my 41 magnum...my favorite wheel gun......would love to have seen it in the 5 caliber review...a true over achiever
Cool test! The 500 magnum really surprised me. I had no idea...
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Surprised me too
nice Work again, We appreciate your work!
Thanks William!
way back in the day bullet penetration was measured using ⅞" pine boards in a rigid box. Perhaps you may consider using something like that in a future video
Awesome as usual.
I think I'd go with the 12ga,
just seems like the initial punch would be greater, but I'm probably wrong.
I just like the 12ga
Same here, for the price of a 45/70 or an S&W500 I could arm 4 guys with 12 gauges and slugs.
If it's still moving after 4 12 gauge slugs it's probably a dinosaur
Short and contundent as it must be, congratulations amigo 👍
Great video. I would love to see you do the same comparing the 44 magnum to the 460 to the 500. All handguns you wear on your hip.
Thanks for watching Mark! Id carry them 😂🖒🖒
A 12 gauge 3" Magnum SABOT slug, and a .45-70 both my preferred bear rounds.
Im still partial to 375hh
👍That 12 ga energy response hit was cool to see. Thx
That bear slug looks like it kick like 10 mules at once. Wow!
[whoa] that brennike was *brutal* - I mean, medieval as in "carve'm up, hang'em high, and burn'em on the stake" brutal.
Lever action is old school, so *yeeeeeeeehaw* !!! The 4570 casing is so, so _shiny_ . . . Hope you kept it :)
Oh, the S&W, so easy on the eyes, and the .500 magnum bullet is just _murdering_ those plates.
All in all: Grizzlies, beware!
The much larger shock to the rear cinder block from the 12 gauge gives a good indication of the power. Keep in mind that a 12 gauge's .79 caliber is also having to move quite a bit more paper to penetrate than a 45 or 50.
Sort of like comparing a sledgehammer to a nail. A nail will penetrate more, but which one is delivering more energy?
Oh yeah don’t forget there are slugs that weigh upwards of 1000 grains, rivaling 50 bmg in terms of weight.
Also, lower velocities tend to penetrate deeper. The bullet stays together better.
@@garymccann2960 that's not necessarily so that's why you have a 357 Magnum penetrate more than a 45 ACP.
79 = 73 caliber
@@timothyprice9064 A 12 gauge slug is 0.79" in diameter.
Edit: Barrel is 0.79"
Good video, I'm glad you made this one, I was looking to buy 1 of those 3, can't buy all ☹️ you helped me pick the right one
When I scout the low ground in the Spring I carry HSM’s 305 gr hard cast Bear Loads kicking out at 2640 fps so I feel pretty safe, plus making some noise and shrill whistle lets them know you’re coming
I’d still go with the 12 gauge. It’s not just penetration your looking for it’s wound size. And if you used hard cast rounds in the 45-70 or 500 you probably would of shot straight through it.
I Live in Bear county and I'll tell you from personal experience, if you run into a Bear at close-range you're going to need to shoot something that makes BIG HOLES. Most of the time I carry a 12 ga. With 3 inch slugs . They work. / Great video 👍
7OO grain 5OO Magnum ! ! !
It's the kinetic energy that you're looking for. AKA stopping power! 12 Guage slugs are great up close or a charging grizzly. But aren't worth a dam over a hundred yards!
i'm a bit partial to a pump shotgun with a proper slug, however I just can't get on board with a boat anchor tied to my side. In the event it comes down to me, a bear with a side arm, i'll take accuracy with something just a tad smaller.
Awesome video!
Excellent stuff bro
Thanks for watching Clarence
Guys, you need to watch "Alaskan Troopers". Every time they had to get a gun for bear and moose protection the Troopers and Game Wardens use mostly 12 gauge shotguns with Black Magic slugs and Marlin 45/70 Guide Guns with 45/70 ammo. Seen at least 7 of 'em use them in the series. What they didn't use was..... pepper spray. Only one used his issue AR-15.
Love your reviews. Just picked up my 336 30-30 today. Saving up for the SW 500mag
I want one of each so bad! I better start saving!
@wingthwong Thank you
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The S&W .500 Mag is a total waste of money, ammo is expensive as hell and they are a heavy unbalanced and uncomfortable gun to shoot, save your money a good Ruger Super Redhawk .44 mag will get the job done at half the cost.
Something cool about it being a "50"
Good test for comparisons!
Who tee who? Your the man brother once again you never cease to entertain
12 gauge, Cheap, manageable recoil , heavy , gets the job done. Also, if bear decides after charging to NOT to get in your personal space then they won't get shot.
The 405 gr 45-70 is probably a Remington bullet very soft not made to penetrate try something made to penetrate it will be a different story
Solid copper or a mixed cast .....all the way thru.
I never heard of 45-70 Magnum..just 45-70....js
Bill Elt I hunt with a .405 Win, .45-70 Gvnt, .500 S&W, or a .300 WM. The .405 is T/C Encore, in .45-70 I carry a H&R Buffalo Rifle or Marlin 1895 Cowboy, the .500 in a NEF Handi-Rifle with 22” brl, for use in hvy brush! The .300 WM, Savage 110. I reload the .45-70 with 405 gr Cast Performance Heat Treated Solids. The .500 I reload with 370gr CP HTS. The .300 with 180gr X-Bullets. I coat all Cast Performance bullets with Lee’s Liquid Alox. I get no leading in the bores! For Back/up I carry a Ruger Bisley.44 Rem Mag or a S&W M25 in .45 Colt. Both reloaded with Cast Performance HT Solids. The .44 with 240 gr, the .45 with 260 gr.
@Timothy Randolph Hand loads using 100% Straight Lino type. For myself that is when counting plates would become more interesting.
Michael Hedgepeth I don’t know of a 45-70 magnum either but manufacturers do sell “magnum loads” for 45-70. Kind of like a +P, will fit in any firearm chambered for it but may not be safe in any firearm chambered for it.
Out of my Encore... 408gr at 2000fps should do
Well done video! I myself would choose a 375 H&H mag with Nosler partitions for anything.
Impressive video. That 12 gauge packed a tremendous shocking power.
Tons of power!
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Thanks Chris!
I'd be interested to see how the HSM Bear Load stacks up (430gr @ ~1800fps iirc), I imagine the hard cast lead bullets could penetrate much better than the expanding bullets you used
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Great video! Thanks,
I am shocked the .500 went through, not just more but Twice as many, WOW!
Still take my 45-70 to Alaska when I visit my brother and hunt Elk and Caribou.
I would love to go on an Alaskan hunt someday
@@WHOTEEWHO cheaper to go to africa
Hollow points are NOT grizzly bullets! Grizzly flesh is the second densest on earth. (Cape Buffalo being 1st).The hollow points blow up almost immediately NOT reaching the vitals, nor being able to bone shatter & keep traveling on through. Granted, the wound will kill the bear eventually but not before it kills you. Thats why the hard cast WFN Hot/heavy loads are better. Keep their bone shattering & penetration abilities & the Wide Flat Nose still has tremendous shock wave energy. Ive used both in my 45/70. The 350 grain H.P. simply blew up right under the skin. The Hard cast WFN went stem to stern while destroying everything in its path. Stopped just under the rear flank fur on a 10 ft (Squared ) black bear & dropped it like a sack of rocks @ 100 yds charging. 420 grain WFN pumped up to 2100 FPS. Buffalo Bore loads a 430 grain WFN @ 2000 FPS whose terminal ballistics were almost identical. The 500 surprised me! Loaded w proper HEAVY Hard Cast WFNs would be amazing! Maybe even better than the 45/70... Go figure!!! Ive switched up from a 44 mag w 320 grain WFNs to the 454 Casul. Havent had a chance to get the hot heavy bear slugs for it yet but its lightest loads beat my 44s BEST loads. If u can, get the Hot/heavy Buffalo Bore loads & repeat the test only w soaked paper plates if possible to simulate the hydraulic shock effect too. Pretty impressive vid there bud in any case. Always a pleasure!!
tie oneon , 20 guage? maybe if the bears small & your using slugs. Better than a 44? Again, depends on the loading used. I carry a 45/70 w HOT WFN hard casts but I live in Alaska & our bears are HUGE. The short bbl bear pump shotguns w BRENNEKE bear slugs is common choice there for close "in your face" action & my backup was a 44 mag with 320 grain WFN HOT loaded slugs but Ive recently switched up to the 454. The handgun is just a backup if the bear takes your rifle away from you or your down & can shoot it in the face. You can kill most bears w a 22 rimfire if its a perfect eye shot or up the nose into the brain. But for body shots I go for BIG & HOT! Dont like head shots because i mount the skulls above our cabins door to greet visitors with. But in an ATTACK wouldnt hesitate a blink if I had to.
Ooh that is hard to say. I honesly have no idea on that one
tie oneon , Your in more danger living in town. Home invasions, drunk drivers, tweakers, ect. Out in the bush if your neighbors give u any trouble u just shoot em & eat em. Course, our neighbors all have 4 legs. 😁
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Who Tee Who the bullets have jackets and the cartridge is the case. Thanks for posting.
LMAO! I enjoyed that immensely. Really great intel. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching Old Timer!
There do Exist From Companies Like Double Tap, Grizzly Cartridge and Buffalo Bore and HSM that Produce Hard Cast Solids that are
Quite Potent and Heavy Loads for Dangerous Game Situations. 45-70 is made in some extremely Heavy Loadings and a Marlin Holds
a Good Number of Rounds. A Good Quality Pump Shotgun Loaded With Some Potent Slugs is a Good Combo. A Large Frame Revolver
in .357, .44, .45 Colt + P, .454, .460 and .500 Using Hard Cast Heavy Bullets is the Way to Go. Always Bring Enough Gun for the Job.
I live in the U. S. Northeast. Our bears here are nowhere near grizzly size, so a 45LC is more than enough gun. I carry a 45-70 - just because that is the rifle I happen to have. No magnum rounds or high powered horse play. My hip carry choice is a 44 mag. Again, it is enough.
I love the marlin 45-70 gbl. I carry it often. I put a red dot site on mine. It will take you anywhere you want to go. It isn't a long range gun but for the range that's available. It's devastating. Where I live all my shots are going to be 20 to 75 yards in the type of woods we have. peace out.
Never have I ever seen a 12 gauge round like that. Those most be super powerful.
And I also have the same shotgun!! That's cool.
That 45/70 lever gun is sweet...all my gear is modern and tactical but i always drool over those cowboy guns when i go to the range/shop.
I love em all!
More a test of bullet construction, old school 45/70 slugs turn explosive @ +p loadings.
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Cool video, 4570 would be my choice at a distance. Slug under 50 yards. We enjoy all your work. 👍
Really appreciate you watching! I love them all!
Fun video, thanks!
Nicely done I enjoyed it
thanks for watching!
And for close protection of bear attack 10mm will also
do the trick ! I personally up in Northeast WI. wouldn't use any less than 10mm. Good to see your numbers going up !
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Thanks Larry ! I'm even looking at maybe 45. Paul Harrell had some real good results with his 45 against the 10. Its only Black bears.Beleave it or not all different kinds of wolf's up their also. Seen the bears and only heard the wolfs on my Property in N.E. Marionette county Wi.
Wow, nice test! I'm really surprised how much the 12g slug and the 4570 disintegrated but the 500 magnum stayed fairly intact! If I'm bear hunting, I think I'd take a semi-auto shotgun with the slugs... or maybe dual wield like your last comparison video!
Yes! Dual wielding!!!
Blake Hendrix , Bit of advise, get a pump action. WAY more dependable!! Semi autos are nice for bird hunting but like any semi auto prone to jamming. Pumps dont jam. Especially w hot/heavy BEAR loads.
Very informative; good job.
Thanks for watching!
Great Test
First off my grizzly gun would be my Winchester model70 in 375 h&h mag. Second that slug dumped a crap ton of energy into those plates and that was awesome to watch. Lastly the 500 mag just WOW!!
That slug sure did shake things up! It rocked that back cinder block hard
The two displayed Grizzlies in Alaska I saw had been taken with .375 H&H Mag. Either that, or perhaps .375 Ruger.
The two displayed grizzly bears I saw in Alaska were taken with .375 H&H....I took the info to heart.
My issue with the magnums and heavy guns is from my experience as a guide on the family ranch. Guys that came out with a heavy guns always shot poorly. I think they flinch. Which makes for more wounding of animals. Bad placement. One guy kept missing hogs. He had brought a second gun that was a .223 and I suggested that he take it. He immediately took the hog cleanly. Most guys won't admit it but unless they are well experienced with the magnums and shoot a lot they flinch and make for poor in the humanity area hunters. Just my thoughts. Placement is more important than power. Of course I am not saying use a 22 short. Ha ha
Yup all good there. Shouldnt hunt with a weapon you havent practiced with and are efficient at shooting
ALU Ministries ... Totally agree: shot placement is more important than caliber.
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If you are going to use a gun that has a lot of kick it is best to practice with it before hunting with it because you are right you have to get over flinching. I hunt deer in a shotgun zone & had to overcome flinching. Also shot placement is key, but if I had to pick one of the three, I would pick the 12 gage because it will put more of the energy into the animal instead of through it.
Man you have had some adventures! I need to go on a bear hunt one of these days
EXCELLENT JOB !! THANK YOU.
Thanks for watching James!
Great video. I was always wondering what round would be best for bear hunting.
You should look at what a .444 can do. I chose that cal over the 45-70 because of the ballistics. Hornady makes a leverevolution load for that and it's really impressive in the fact that the range is increased a lot
I need a 444
get some hard cast rounds made for it - twice the penetration
Geeza that 12 gauge did some damage. Like u said tho id take my 45-70 i know thats a beast. Good video to watch wasnt thinkin 2 times as many for the 500 mag. But i am a 45-70 junkie. Keep them coming who-tee-who love that stuff
I have yet to obtain a 45-70....had my heart set on a .458 WM, but too expensive. Reportedly, 45-70 can be loaded from very mild, for target shooting with pistol bullets, to almost-.458wm levels, assuming a strong enough gun....
Ya you can get 405 grain hardcasf traveling at 2000 FPS. But keep in mind the 45-70 shots like an ark. So training on low recoil rounds will be way diferent, as much as 12 inches at 50yards. Yes it will bruise up your shoulder nicely, but training on what you would use while hunting is a must.
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I think with this test you should of used the 45-70 hard cast bullet the heaviest one you can get.With the 500 S&W the 700 gr hard cast,that way the bullets would survive.
The 700gr 500 ammo is a power House I've shot it in the revolver and a rifle .it's my friends preferred load for when he goes to Hunt in Alaska.
I don’t like when people refer to the S&W 500 magnum as a pistol ... it’s a hand cannon 😂
You mean a revolver, not a "pistol" which it isn't. I agree about the hand cannon.
It looked like a whole lot of fun
Brenneke's Special Forces Magnum Penetrator Slugs are Good Choices too. They are Designed Strictly to Penetrate, Crush and Destroy.
These videos are interesting. I was expecting the 45-70 to win this contest. I have heard that a 220 grain 30-06 load is also considered the minimum for grizzly. It would be cool to see how that would fare against 12g, 45-70, and 500 S&W.
Jack O'Connor took 12 or 13 grizz over his lifetime of hunting with a .270. But, he was a staunch advocate of shot placement too.
Black magic slug my favorite
They definitely pack a lot of power! I need to come up with some ideas for things to test them out against, I have a few more
Thanks for vid. Very surprised the 500 did that much more. Good vid.
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great choice of 12ga ammo for bear
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I'd like to see what a BRI 3" sabot slug would do. That's my choice.
I’ve got the S&W in 10.5 inch barrel so now I feel safe going to Jelly Stone Park now
When I was reading the history of the guide gun that pretty much should sums up everything you need to know about the 45-70.
Give me the 12g with the 500 on my hip. You can see the kinetic energy of the 12ga. by how much it makes the back block jump compared to the others. That alone will make a bear stand and take notice.
I agree with you but I’d hope it knocked the bear over when it took notice. Know what I mean?
i think the 12guage can do a lot of damage because of its stopping power but ill go for the 4570
For the two long guns you can add a gell bike seat to it, that will lower the felt recoil!
Damn! They'd all do the job but that 500 magnum pistol was AWESOME!