Respect to Ryan Clark for being able to keep it real like this and have a hard conversation about a friend. Mike T is like family to him. It can't be easy for him to see it come to this.
Really? Ryan is saying it's not Tomlin's fault, it's the players for not giving their all for Mike Tomlin, that Tomlin can go anywhere and bring instant success. Shannon gave Ryan a reality check by keeping it real, and look at that realization sink in on Ryan's face.
No, no he’s not. He’s bailing on his friend and not explaining things from his friend’s perspective. He is explaining it from an outside eye’s perspective, a fan’s perspective.
Ryan didn't mention the Steelers were next to last in yards allowed or how the Steelers fan base were chanting FIRE Canada in the middle of a winning season then lost 2-3 games to the worst teams in football. Nothing like attacking your own team because of a few WR's are prima donnas.
Glad Shannon is keeping it 100. It’s literally been Tomlin’s ENTIRE TENURE that this has been going on. Every single roster he’s had, there’s been at least ONE headache wide receiver he’s had. Ppl praise tomlin for managing Antonio brown, but now we can see that he ENABLED Brown to spiral out of control.
Name Me one team that hasn't had a headache Wr. I will wait??? As far as Brown goes.....I believe He was worse on every team, but the Steelers. Stop being a Sheep
@@KingMuncheez You aren't very bright then. Because I have watched this team probably before You were born child. I also haven't missed a game after leaving, and getting NFL Sunday Ticket since 1997. So you just proved You know nothing. LoL 😂
No he’s not. He bailed on “his friend” and not explaining things from his friend’s perspective. He is explaining it from a fan’s perspective. He’s spitting being fake, because that’s who Ryan Clark is.
Sometimes it’s just time to make a change. Jobs and relationship become stale. I’ve loved having a coach like Tomlin leading this team but I’m also ready to make some change. He’s given this team 17 years. Bring in a new voice.
Well said! He's done well but the nature of being a head coach in the NFL is that when you're approaching 20 years at the same place your message begins to flatline. Very few have done it.
Absolutely. Its not really an indictment on Tomlin. Hes been a good coach. Great rep for city and franchise. Its just time for a change. Its gotten stale and too complacent. Theyve been middling year in year out and with the parity in todays NFL that hasnt been too difficult. A new voice,new regime,new energy is needed in Pittsburgh. Ive been fan since 1980. Tomlin was a great hire. They can find another gem to coach for team. I trust Rooneys to get it right again.
Today's show was awesome! I love Shannon's fatherly communication with the other analysts and to the players they discuss. The one-liners and seasoned advice make Shannon special. It's wild because I don't remember feeling all this energy and wisdom when Shannon was at the other network... Shannon says what these players need to hear. Great job carrying the show in Steven A.'s absence! Shout out to ESPN for letting the conversation flow. Not forcing that Chief's segment was the right move. Let greatness be great! Merry Christmas and God bless. 😊❤️🙏🏿
You sound stupid fool at Fox 🦊 he was like this because skip Bayless put him over and let him be him bringing mask and blunts on set this show was like this because Stephen a Smith was not on it that's why
As a Steelers fan, sadly it’s time for us to part ways… it’s like a relationship that ain’t going nowhere, you part ways and wish them well and if they doing better than you at first your time will come eventually… we gotta move on from Tomlin I feel.. we may suck badly for some time but our day will come back around eventually
You say you may suck for some time, but I'd say it's pretty clear the steelers are sort of in the same situation as the chargers except you're not losing as badly. The players don't look like they're buying in and you're either going to be bad or mediocre unless a change is made. If nothing is improving, you gotta take a chance and move on.
Ive been the tomlin defender is every conversatitiin ive been a part of with him in it… but it is time. We need a new HC, OC, and DC. New Oline Coach too
In 2016 after the stunning Dallas loss, Big Ben had enough and told the media, ''This team lacks discipline and has no accountability. is it the players or coaches, I don't know, but we better get there fast.' Seven years later, it seem there is consistency in the culture department. Shannon Sharpe kept it real.
Ryan is right on....I have watched the steelers since the 60's and by far this team is not bleeding the black n gold blood that us blue collared workers expect when they run out into the field. Tomlin has served his time and its nice to move on!
bad years pre and after Big chin but on ryan Ryan didn't mention the Steelers were next to last in yards allowed or how the Steelers fan base were chanting FIRE Canada in the middle of a winning season then lost 2-3 games to the worst teams in football. Nothing like attacking your own team because of a few WR's are prima donnas.
Qb throws an interception, you let the defender run the opposite way without pursuit..team is sad, still love my city! Regardless of how bad our sports teams out I’ll forever foot for them!
That’s crazy how a big list that is of receivers that’s had attitude problems under him. They also forgot JuJu and his antics. As soon as he became the number 1 guy, he cared more about TikTok than produce on the field.
Yeah Tomlin created the Ochocinco, Tomlin created, Randy's Moss, Tomlin created O'Del Beckham, Tomlin created T. Owen's, Tomlin created K. Johnson, and on , and on.....many many many Wrs have been worse, and have never worked with Tomlin. So🤷♂️ What You are not saying....is every Deva Wrs we had....has had their best games under Tomlin , and quickly disappeared, or were out of the NFL after they weren't under Tomlins influence. So try looking at facts, and stop being sheep.
😅Find me a video of Chad johnson not giving effort like them scrubs. Foh. Your comment had notbing to do with the subject, throwing out random names whats that got to do with the scrubs playing wr in pitt right now
I have seen Pickens block, very well, but after Steelers Fans fired Canada or during the whole shitty fan base believed this thing the confidence of the players was damaged. What fan base attacks a OC with a winning record? and losing more after..
Teams w/ a mediocre history have that mindset cause they know no better. We (Pitt fan) have a different standard and that’s to compete for championships and Tomlin hasn’t been anywhere near one in 13 years.
Tomlin is a "religious guy" you see the "platinum cross" around his neck, some younger dudes are not religious, He needs to keep his faith to himself, or coach college kids😮
Tomlin has a much blame as the players smh. He said because GP is too good he can’t be benched. What kinda coach says something so embarrassing like that. He allowed Canada to be on the staff for 3 years too long. Almost every game Pitt has a horrible start and is unprepared. Whose fault is that? Please…
100% facts. Tomlin's time with this team is done. The lack of discipline and losing to basement teams year after year has to stop. He lets the players act like a sideshow circus
When Andy Reid got fired from the Eagles, he had a job with the Kansas City Chiefs like the next day. Shoot, they had a sort of going away party for Andy Reed when he left Philadelphia at the end of the season press conference. So if the Pittsburgh Steelers decide to fire Mike Tomlin, then he better have a job with another NFL team on the next day just like Andy Reid.
@@drewb3053 Not really because when Andy got fired from Philly he was viewed as a great mind but a choker and someone who couldn't win the big game even once. That's not on Tomlin's resume. Pittsburgh Tomlin clears Philly Andy even if KC Andy clears both. He should be hired within 24 months again if he wants to continue coaching.
Facts. I’ve bled black and gold since I was born in ‘74. They are absolutely correct. I’m a NC native and still live here, but I’ve been loyal to my team through Neil O’Donnell, Kordell, Brister, Tomczak. Through good and bad. This is something I’ve never seen out of this organization. The passion those Shannon mentioned had plus Hines (Still angry that he hasn’t been inducted in HOF yet) and many others is just not there. TJ lays it all out there Every. Single. Game. Now he’s baffled because he can’t understand why players don’t want to practice. Entitled players on the roster that care about their stats only, and have no concept of team. It’s time to clean house. Top to bottom.
No, your just getting more social media about everything . The Steelers had bad years. It's simply a bad team going through a growth phase. The Patriots have a worse record than the Steelers after losing Brady. And we lost major lineman, Pouncy, Faneca etc we haven't replaced and on the D line as well because as winners we get bad draft picks. There will always be Prima donna WR's, now they can talk about how great they are but it doesn't make them bad players. You can't judge on 1 route . I have seen Pickens take out many in his blocking and be very happy for his running back
Your right Ryan it's time for something new for the team and Tomlin. He can bring another team up to mediocrity and stay and the team can finally score some points and win some playoff games! 💯
I am glad Ryan finally said this. This is probably why these talents go to other teams and rarely flourish. But Shannon was 100% on point. Tomlins problems will follow him wherever he goes
Ryan didn't mention the Steelers were next to last in yards allowed or how the Steelers fan base were chanting FIRE Canada in the middle of a winning season then lost 2-3 games to the worst teams in football. Nothing like attacking your own team because of a few WR's are prima donnas.
@@kltsin If this team's main problem was diva wide recievers they'd look a lot better than they do right now. We have issues from the top to the bottom throughout coaching staff and most positional groups. I think the first guy that should have been gone was the o line coach, if he can't take talented free agents and keep them being successful what is he there for? If he can't teach the new guys what is he there for? Why did Dotson play like crap for us then transform into a great player for the Rams? Even Kendrick Greene looked decent for the Texans before injury. Canada was part of the problem but expecting immediate success after firing him was also ridiculous.
If Tomlin leaves, The Rooney family won't remove him. He will leave on his own accord, and he and The Rooney's will work out a deal with a new team. This season, with their remaining schedule, maybe the handwriting is on the wall. Maybe the time is right to move on. Chicago loves defensive. Maybe he ends up there? At least 10 teams would be interested in him. He'd be the hottest free agent in NFL history!
@@What-uf1zj You're missing the point. If he wants to leave, The Rooney's would not stand in his way. The other team may have to give compensation, but he can go wherever he wants.
@@InvestBetter.no, he CANNOT go wherever he wants. He is locked into a contract. The only way that HE can get out of it is to quit and sit out a year, at which point, he is free . If he leaves, it is only because Rooney allows and accommodates it
Tomlin is a cheerleader not a tactician or motivator...has been out coached for years and it shows. When's the last time the Steelers won a playoff game or went to the AFC championship?
That replay of the interception is more egregious to my eyes from the effort standpoint. Both are bad , but every time I see him jog behind and past the guy who intercepted the ball just boils my skin for some reason
if ANYONE can speak on Pittsburgh, and Mike Tomlin ... it's Ryan Clark. Mike Tomlin's greatest attribute ... is working against him right now. cuz these kids have NO CLUE what they're getting (and misusing) from him. and Ryan Clark is right ... Mike Tomlin should go, and he will be the hottest coaching commodity since 🤔🤔 Andy Reid (yes, hotter than Sean Payton was).
So which is worse ? "I didn't block because I didn't want an injury" Or "I didn't see it" DJ on not blocking,not seeing fumble, not pursuing the fumble recoverer. Funny how after DJ owned up y'all dropped it, GP says this why instead of I didn't see it and y'all gone berserker. Tomlins coaching staff is horrendous. We heard the media praise GP last year and in this season how good a blocker he was. One block and y'all gone crazy. Somebody definitely needs to get this club in order.
If he leave he should go coach the panthers I think he would do wonders for that organization and finish his coaching career there both of his tenures fro Steelers to coaching panthers if he does that I think both coaching tenures would be HOF all time because he would turn the panthers around completely, that locker room, he gonna turn all the young players into DAWGS.
I don't think so, there's no one there who's really that good and Tomlin has been a coach that has coasted off of high end talent for years. Without them lucking out on AB I don't think he's all that, and he still couldn't win with that offense bc the defense always folded
@@555calex Nah I feel like it would be the same bad play if he were in Carolina. He needs a guy that can develop Bryce Young and if there's one thing we saw in Pittsburgh it's that Tomlin does not know the first thing about developing a qb
@@danielmezhinsky7708; That in my opinion is an organization issue because the Steelers held on to Ben way to long without a decent backup which they still don't have even this year. It's a matter of will I think because there are veteran/retired players who can coach and help these young quarterbacks. They have to learn the pro football on their own which is valid but they need some guidance and instruction in this league and this is an issue among several teams...
He should -he enabling Pickens talents over standard! RC n Shannon r 100% correct! This is personal to him. They r not playing for each other! He can go to Saints-that HC is trash!
Being an NFL football coach is a job, not a marriage vow. There's no lifetime expectations. Coaching at the same place 17 years is impressive but rare. Many marriages don't even last that long! But yeah, the Steelers need a new approach, and Tomlin needs to go to a team that needs their own breath of fresh air and stability.
I cannot believe someone actually agrees with me! Most Steelers fans Especially in PA will disagree with but I’ve been saying this for the last 10 yrs, Tomlin needs to Go!!! Let’s hear it from the Steelers fans in PA, do yall agree now?! Oh and I’ve been a Steelers fan for a minute!
This is the first real evaluation of the Steelers situation. I have always been a Steelers fan, and a Tomlin fan. But his work and his energy is just not working in Pittsburgh anymore. He's a great motivator. And he's a great leader of men. But sometimes scenery has to change.
Tomlin does not need to leave Steelers nor do they have to get rid of him. This whole week long conversation has been about a player that plays a position that has the most divas. You deal with them best you can deal with someone making millions of dollars before 25 yrs old. The main issue with this team is a lack of talent offensively. Not winning creates these attitudes, not that Mike is allowing it. No one is accounting the defensive injuries there have been this year as well so yes, you’re going to lose some games. And a head coach won’t look as good as they can without a good to great qb. Steelers need to keep getting depth on defense, look for talent and get a franchise qb.
The problem isn’t necessarily Tomlin is a bad coach it’s the just same year after year coasting off mediocrity and things doesn’t seem to be changing for the better on both sides. It’s just been stagnant and things aren’t gonna get any better under him. He gotta go
@@jay_1212 that’s what happens when you’re going through a qb change. Ben didn’t leave soon enough so they suffered trying to make it work with someone who couldn’t even move in the pocket. The transition to finding a NFL franchise qb is the hardest thing in sports. If he’s capable anywhere else then he’s capable for the Steelers. His message hasn’t been lost, the offense is just young and has a couple of immature knuckleheads.
A primary factor behind the Niners consistently producing significant plays is the collective effort in blocking, involving even the wide receivers and running backs.
Well put Clark put it all on the line every freaking play! All out ball out! Being a Steeler is a thing of legends and legacies! When that black and gold uniform is on lay it all out! Those 2 divas. He'll no they r gone after season!
Hold up, prior to this season both Johnson and Pickens were out there blocking and doing so regardless of the games outcomes. We forget about that when we criticize them today. They are doing this intentional because they believe three things 1. QB situation won't change 2. Their value is decreasing due to impact to production 3. Their lack of effort will get them traded!
He's not coaching Bill Cowher's team anymore. And I'll say it again, this team isn't cohesive. Almost the entire offense is competing with EACH OTHER and not the opposing teams they play. Pickens v Johnson. Harris v Warren. For a minute it was like Pickett v Tribisky. They're is too much competition amongst each other. That doesn't make for a great team.
Man, if Steelers fans are getting angry about this, I can only imagine how they'd be if they had to put up what us Giants fans have to go through. Steelers haven't had a losing season since 2003; I'd be happy if the Giants can string back to back winning seasons at this point.
No you don’t because that means you got a average pick every year. And you don’t want any of the Steelers coaching staff fr. This team is seriously due for a rebuild from owner down only real Pittsburgh Steelers fans know.
The solution to our problems is NOT firing Mike Tomlin. Interim OC’s. QB is out. Offense is immature AF. Defense is injured. The man can’t do everything, be everything, solve everything, fix everything. Give it a rest.
Love this , not the the rehearsed 2 min segments every Monday on the Steelers saying the same ol “never had a losing season” “who you gonna replace him with” “if the Steelers fired Tomlin today he’d be picked up in a instance” they have been saying the last 6 years. I remember 2 years ago when Sharpe called out Tomlin for behavioral issues at receiver saying “you are either condoning it or coaching it” The team needs a QB they need a new line their front office doesn’t make allot of moves during the off-season so the only way for a real rebuild is for draft picks. If the Steelers go 9-8 they will pick middle of the draft and not get a need and be stuck with their QBs. I think Tomlin or the Rooneys need to make a decision and let Tomlin go somewhere like the chargers and start over by hiring EB or Ben Johnson just my thoughts
Tomlin has been terrible for 17yrs ,he inherited Cowher s disiplined team for his super bowl and rode the great talent he was given for yrs.Tomlin isn't capable of disciplining his players and can only get winning seasons with super bowl talent teams
It is amazing, back in week 5, week 6, etc, National media would not question anything that Mike Tomlin did, they heaped praise on him and buried Matt Canada. In fairness, MC had to go, but it was clearly not the whole issue. Local media and the fanbase has seen lotos of issues over the years.. Now, it seems like the tide has completely turned and these guys are coming out of the word work to be on the record of questioning Tomlin.
If he’s a leader of men then he should be able to lead what he has in front of him. He was carried by a Cowher built and Ben led team by for 18 years same with Belichick and the Pats.
Not gonna give Pickens a pass, but he should have the opportunity to redeem himself. So not gonna hate on the guy, he knows. Let’s see how he moves forward.
exactly. please elaborate. get it straight; the steelers are the only losers in this one cuz mike t is a HOFer who will find another job by the time the steelers are done announcing he gone@@GodfreyTheCreator
I remember everyone saying these same things about Cower in 2000 saying he was too friendly with players etc. Glad the organization didn’t listen to fans then, hope they don’t listen to fans now and instead do what they feel is right. If it’s keeping him or moving on I’ll support whatever decision they make.
Tomlin needs to go because he is not a good head coach..he isnt even a decent one. There is plenty of evidence to support this. You are right about the culture..that is what allowed a bad head coach to have success early on until he was able to get his fingerprints all over this team, and now here we are. Sure he could get hired right away...so could most of the head coaches who have been around for a while. The Steelers needed a head coach who could actually coach all along and not a cheerleader/mentor. Ill take a coach with a winning record in the playoffs any day..or a coach who hasnt given up 40+ points in the playoffs multiple times (he's a defense specialist?)..a coach that could beat a Tim Tebow team in the playoffs. I hope coach Tomlin realizes he is not a good head coach and retires at year end and we can listen to his bravado/swagger/mindless word salads as he is in a broadcast booth somewhere..bah. If Tomlin is such a leader of men, why does he have several men like that on his team? year after year.
Mike tomlin has had zero losing seasons in his tenure with Pittsburgh and his former players are publicly calling for his firing. Sports media is a clown show. These ppl sold their soul a long time ago
While I don't think Tomlin should lose his job, I do believe what's happening in Pittsburgh starts with him. He did let AB get away with his behavior & it became a snowball effect
I've never been a Tomlin fanboy. He was gifted a couple decade long franchise of success, system, culture, etc from those that demanded it. It has been dissolving slowly since Day 1. Day 1. idgaf what Super Bowls the Squealers went to since his arrival... it was decaying success built on the shoulders of better men before him. You see now what his mentality yields. Chad Johnson to NE? Randy Moss to NE? How many great out-of-control-players went to NE and LEARNED how they better be? Tomlin won't be fired, but if he were, any team that sucks him off in hopes to pick him up - just watch what happens after to whoever does.
I don't think we should move on from him but maybe just assign someone else (offense based HC) and keep Mike T as a defense coordinator...we just need to focus a bit more on offense and balance both sides of the ball.
What evidently there are Shannon Sharpe I seen you play in Denver Clark I see you playing Pittsburgh Washington the bottom line is when you got receivers and your quarterback sucks like picket I wouldn't got be out there trying to get myself hurt either but it was amazing how good they played when Rudolph came out there so what's that
Media is blowing this issue way out or proportion. Tomlin dealt with much worse with AB. Keep in mind, Pittsburgh is 7-7 and still in playoff contention. Tomlin isn’t leaving Pittsburgh until HE wants to.
But that’s the issue, I don’t think Tomlin will ever have a terrible record but the Steelers as a whole has been coasting off mediocrity for a while now. Something has gotta change
@@jay_1212 Their offense is the 2nd youngest in the league full of 1st, 2nd, 3rd year players. They are immature. That’s their biggest problem. They don’t handle the adversities within games well. You can’t coach that out of players, especially an entire unit. Doesn’t help either that their backup QB’s can’t really help.
The standards and discipline has been toxic for years. Players coach or not it’s the principle and the receiving core behavior add Ju Ju in there to have run wild and rampant. Supbar years but it starts with culture yes talent at position matters but there needs to be changes.
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Respect to Ryan Clark for being able to keep it real like this and have a hard conversation about a friend. Mike T is like family to him. It can't be easy for him to see it come to this.
Really? Ryan is saying it's not Tomlin's fault, it's the players for not giving their all for Mike Tomlin, that Tomlin can go anywhere and bring instant success. Shannon gave Ryan a reality check by keeping it real, and look at that realization sink in on Ryan's face.
Clark has never kept it real
No, no he’s not. He’s bailing on his friend and not explaining things from his friend’s perspective. He is explaining it from an outside eye’s perspective, a fan’s perspective.
Ryan didn't mention the Steelers were next to last in yards allowed or how the Steelers fan base were chanting FIRE Canada in the middle of a winning season then lost 2-3 games to the worst teams in football. Nothing like attacking your own team because of a few WR's are prima donnas.
@kltsin but wide receivers have been a cancer to the steelers going back 15 years.
Glad Shannon is keeping it 100. It’s literally been Tomlin’s ENTIRE TENURE that this has been going on. Every single roster he’s had, there’s been at least ONE headache wide receiver he’s had. Ppl praise tomlin for managing Antonio brown, but now we can see that he ENABLED Brown to spiral out of control.
Name Me one team that hasn't had a headache Wr. I will wait???
As far as Brown goes.....I believe He was worse on every team, but the Steelers. Stop being a Sheep
@@jamesfetcho6315 I can tell you don’t really follow this team.
@@KingMuncheez You aren't very bright then. Because I have watched this team probably before You were born child. I also haven't missed a game after leaving, and getting NFL Sunday Ticket since 1997. So you just proved You know nothing. LoL 😂
The whole receiving core has been toxic. I mean I watched them for years Tomlin is an enabler tbh. The set of standards and discipline are gone.
@jamesfetcho6315 Like this? Don't think I can name one..Clark is correct. This has been a ongoing problem for quite a while.
Ryan Clark is spitting facts and truth
Nope.
Ryan Clark needs to call out sick more
@@cruzinthruspacefound the clown taking Tomlin’s bbc 😅
No he’s not. He bailed on “his friend” and not explaining things from his friend’s perspective. He is explaining it from a fan’s perspective. He’s spitting being fake, because that’s who Ryan Clark is.
Well said Mr Clark. 100 percent spot on. Pittsburgh expects that and always has if you don’t give 100 percent move on we don’t want you
obviously that isnt the standard. The standard is what is tolerated and as we have seen from the past, this type of behavior was rewarded
Love seeing RC on first take 🔥
Tomlin is going to the Chargers watch what I tell you
Sometimes it’s just time to make a change. Jobs and relationship become stale. I’ve loved having a coach like Tomlin leading this team but I’m also ready to make some change. He’s given this team 17 years. Bring in a new voice.
Well said! He's done well but the nature of being a head coach in the NFL is that when you're approaching 20 years at the same place your message begins to flatline. Very few have done it.
Trade Pickens .
@@BbcQueen87 for what
Harbough? Am I crazy lol
Absolutely. Its not really an indictment on Tomlin. Hes been a good coach. Great rep for city and franchise. Its just time for a change. Its gotten stale and too complacent. Theyve been middling year in year out and with the parity in todays NFL that hasnt been too difficult. A new voice,new regime,new energy is needed in Pittsburgh. Ive been fan since 1980. Tomlin was a great hire. They can find another gem to coach for team. I trust Rooneys to get it right again.
Today's show was awesome! I love Shannon's fatherly communication with the other analysts and to the players they discuss. The one-liners and seasoned advice make Shannon special.
It's wild because I don't remember feeling all this energy and wisdom when Shannon was at the other network...
Shannon says what these players need to hear. Great job carrying the show in Steven A.'s absence!
Shout out to ESPN for letting the conversation flow. Not forcing that Chief's segment was the right move. Let greatness be great!
Merry Christmas and God bless. 😊❤️🙏🏿
You sound stupid fool at Fox 🦊 he was like this because skip Bayless put him over and let him be him bringing mask and blunts on set this show was like this because Stephen a Smith was not on it that's why
The energy was always there, but Skip tried to dim his light.
Shannon was in a box over there.
oh my god shut up. yeah i guess shannon was too busy tearing down black men in westbrook and lamar
As a Steelers fan, sadly it’s time for us to part ways… it’s like a relationship that ain’t going nowhere, you part ways and wish them well and if they doing better than you at first your time will come eventually… we gotta move on from Tomlin I feel.. we may suck badly for some time but our day will come back around eventually
You say you may suck for some time, but I'd say it's pretty clear the steelers are sort of in the same situation as the chargers except you're not losing as badly. The players don't look like they're buying in and you're either going to be bad or mediocre unless a change is made. If nothing is improving, you gotta take a chance and move on.
I understand the sentiment, but who is going to change this mindset?
Ive been the tomlin defender is every conversatitiin ive been a part of with him in it… but it is time. We need a new HC, OC, and DC. New Oline Coach too
Sometimes you rebuild a team with a roster. Steelers need to rebuild with a new coaching staff
@@luigirox8mike tomlin overrated he ain't no Bill Cowher
In 2016 after the stunning Dallas loss, Big Ben had enough and told the media, ''This team lacks discipline and has no accountability. is it the players or coaches, I don't know, but we better get there fast.' Seven years later, it seem there is consistency in the culture department. Shannon Sharpe kept it real.
Ryan is right on....I have watched the steelers since the 60's and by far this team is not bleeding the black n gold blood that us blue collared workers expect when they run out into the field. Tomlin has served his time and its nice to move on!
bad years pre and after Big chin but on ryan Ryan didn't mention the Steelers were next to last in yards allowed or how the Steelers fan base were chanting FIRE Canada in the middle of a winning season then lost 2-3 games to the worst teams in football. Nothing like attacking your own team because of a few WR's are prima donnas.
Qb throws an interception, you let the defender run the opposite way without pursuit..team is sad, still love my city! Regardless of how bad our sports teams out I’ll forever foot for them!
That’s crazy how a big list that is of receivers that’s had attitude problems under him. They also forgot JuJu and his antics. As soon as he became the number 1 guy, he cared more about TikTok than produce on the field.
Exactly, and when he went to KC and New England he no longer did any of that TokTok crap. Tomlin created this mess.
Yeah Tomlin created the Ochocinco, Tomlin created, Randy's Moss, Tomlin created O'Del Beckham, Tomlin created T. Owen's, Tomlin created K. Johnson, and on , and on.....many many many Wrs have been worse, and have never worked with Tomlin. So🤷♂️
What You are not saying....is every Deva Wrs we had....has had their best games under Tomlin , and quickly disappeared, or were out of the NFL after they weren't under Tomlins influence. So try looking at facts, and stop being sheep.
😅Find me a video of Chad johnson not giving effort like them scrubs. Foh. Your comment had notbing to do with the subject, throwing out random names whats that got to do with the scrubs playing wr in pitt right now
Juju was doing social media the whole time bro
@@jamesfetcho6315 we're talking about discipline dummy
Hines Ward was a real toughest blocking wide receiver in the history of the Pittsburgh Steelers unlike Pickins
I have seen Pickens block, very well, but after Steelers Fans fired Canada or during the whole shitty fan base believed this thing the confidence of the players was damaged. What fan base attacks a OC with a winning record? and losing more after..
@@kltsinPickens can’t block like Ward
@@PaulineSmith-tb5li no one said he can or would, but he is able , let the kid growl and not attack 1 player for a horrible loss
We can't worry about what should've taken place years ago. Tomlin needs to leave Pittsburgh at season's end.
I agree with what Greeny said on get up, we dare Steelers to fire Tomlin and have fun with that Chargers situation🤣
His phone will ring immediately and he can go wherever
Billicheck to chargers
@@TarakRamChowdharyPerfect too
Yeah except we always hire good HCs unlike the ch*rgers
Teams w/ a mediocre history have that mindset cause they know no better. We (Pitt fan) have a different standard and that’s to compete for championships and Tomlin hasn’t been anywhere near one in 13 years.
As a Steelers fan boy seeing Ryan Clark talking bout Shannon Sharpe and Troy Polamalu just greatness gave me straight chills.
I told people since AB played for the Steelers that Tomlin allowed players to run amock trying to be a cool player coach
Tomlin is a "religious guy" you see the "platinum cross" around his neck, some younger dudes are not religious, He needs to keep his faith to himself, or coach college kids😮
Tomlin has a much blame as the players smh. He said because GP is too good he can’t be benched. What kinda coach says something so embarrassing like that. He allowed Canada to be on the staff for 3 years too long. Almost every game Pitt has a horrible start and is unprepared. Whose fault is that? Please…
Shannon consistent with his take
for once
I loved watching the Steelers during the Ward/Polamalu era; that team loved football and it showed in how they played
100% facts. Tomlin's time with this team is done. The lack of discipline and losing to basement teams year after year has to stop. He lets the players act like a sideshow circus
@blutimindpretzel1735 That didn't age well. They got a winning record yet again and will be in the playoffs 😅
@@christiansoldier77 not necessarily. They need help and will lose to Baltimore
@@blutomindpretzel1735 Baltimore is gonna rest all their starters the game means nothing to them so the Steelers will win
When Andy Reid got fired from the Eagles, he had a job with the Kansas City Chiefs like the next day. Shoot, they had a sort of going away party for Andy Reed when he left Philadelphia at the end of the season press conference. So if the Pittsburgh Steelers decide to fire Mike Tomlin, then he better have a job with another NFL team on the next day just like Andy Reid.
People comparing Mike Tomlin to Andy Reid are delusional
Come to Atlanta!
@@drewb3053 Not really because when Andy got fired from Philly he was viewed as a great mind but a choker and someone who couldn't win the big game even once. That's not on Tomlin's resume. Pittsburgh Tomlin clears Philly Andy even if KC Andy clears both. He should be hired within 24 months again if he wants to continue coaching.
He also ended up with a generational QB and HOF TE/WR. lol
@@drewb3053You can make the case that Tomlin was more successful in Pittsburgh than Andy was in Philly
New Orleans Saints welcomes u, coach tomlin 😎
...read my mind brotha! the talent is there
THIS ‼️‼️‼️💯
I approve
Continue the legend of choking?
YES SIRRRRR!!!!
These dudes speaking the truth!! Can't believe Mike Tomlin got an extension..
Facts. I’ve bled black and gold since I was born in ‘74. They are absolutely correct. I’m a NC native and still live here, but I’ve been loyal to my team through Neil O’Donnell, Kordell, Brister, Tomczak. Through good and bad. This is something I’ve never seen out of this organization. The passion those Shannon mentioned had plus Hines (Still angry that he hasn’t been inducted in HOF yet) and many others is just not there. TJ lays it all out there Every. Single. Game. Now he’s baffled because he can’t understand why players don’t want to practice. Entitled players on the roster that care about their stats only, and have no concept of team. It’s time to clean house. Top to bottom.
I just can't imagine why Hines Ward isn't a Steelers coach. Most tough selfless ball player. These current players need a lesson from Hines playbook
No, your just getting more social media about everything . The Steelers had bad years.
It's simply a bad team going through a growth phase. The Patriots have a worse record than the Steelers after losing Brady. And we lost major lineman, Pouncy, Faneca etc we haven't replaced and on the D line as well because as winners we get bad draft picks.
There will always be Prima donna WR's, now they can talk about how great they are but it doesn't make them bad players.
You can't judge on 1 route . I have seen Pickens take out many in his blocking and be very happy for his running back
All of this was amazing! I loved this conversation between UNC and RC
Packers, patriots, and Steelers are falling apart. What a time to be alive.
Im a lifelong Steelers fan and Shannon says it just like it is and how it should be. Tomlin has brought it on period.
Good presentation from true players with solid information! Thanks!!
Shannon keeps it real and its about time someone in the media actually got on their show and said it like it is. FIRE TOMLIN HIRE BEN JOHNSON
Your right Ryan it's time for something new for the team and Tomlin. He can bring another team up to mediocrity and stay and the team can finally score some points and win some playoff games! 💯
I am glad Ryan finally said this. This is probably why these talents go to other teams and rarely flourish. But Shannon was 100% on point. Tomlins problems will follow him wherever he goes
Ryan didn't mention the Steelers were next to last in yards allowed or how the Steelers fan base were chanting FIRE Canada in the middle of a winning season then lost 2-3 games to the worst teams in football. Nothing like attacking your own team because of a few WR's are prima donnas.
@@kltsin If this team's main problem was diva wide recievers they'd look a lot better than they do right now. We have issues from the top to the bottom throughout coaching staff and most positional groups. I think the first guy that should have been gone was the o line coach, if he can't take talented free agents and keep them being successful what is he there for? If he can't teach the new guys what is he there for? Why did Dotson play like crap for us then transform into a great player for the Rams? Even Kendrick Greene looked decent for the Texans before injury.
Canada was part of the problem but expecting immediate success after firing him was also ridiculous.
Shannon is 100% on….real talk, no glossing over Tomlins inabilities….
If Tomlin leaves, The Rooney family won't remove him. He will leave on his own accord, and he and The Rooney's will work out a deal with a new team.
This season, with their remaining schedule, maybe the handwriting is on the wall.
Maybe the time is right to move on. Chicago loves defensive. Maybe he ends up there?
At least 10 teams would be interested in him. He'd be the hottest free agent in NFL history!
He’s not a free agent. Has 1 year left. Trade seems likely
@@What-uf1zj You're missing the point. If he wants to leave, The Rooney's would not stand in his way. The other team may have to give compensation, but he can go wherever he wants.
@@What-uf1zjyou can trade a coach?
@@ericbrown1101Yeah that’s how the Broncos got Sean Payton
@@InvestBetter.no, he CANNOT go wherever he wants. He is locked into a contract. The only way that HE can get out of it is to quit and sit out a year, at which point, he is free . If he leaves, it is only because Rooney allows and accommodates it
He hasn’t won anything since the bulk of Cowher’s players left 💯
Tomlin is a cheerleader not a tactician or motivator...has been out coached for years and it shows. When's the last time the Steelers won a playoff game or went to the AFC championship?
Thank you after the jags playoff lost he should’ve been fired.
Unc giving that energy 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🦾🦾🦾🦾
He was goat 🐐 in that mode super power🎯🎯 spitting crazy facts !
as a steelers fan this is straight facts
That replay of the interception is more egregious to my eyes from the effort standpoint. Both are bad , but every time I see him jog behind and past the guy who intercepted the ball just boils my skin for some reason
BRING MIKE T TO CAROLINA!! We’ll appreciate him!!
if ANYONE can speak on Pittsburgh, and Mike Tomlin ... it's Ryan Clark.
Mike Tomlin's greatest attribute ... is working against him right now. cuz these kids have NO CLUE what they're getting (and misusing) from him.
and Ryan Clark is right ... Mike Tomlin should go, and he will be the hottest coaching commodity since 🤔🤔 Andy Reid (yes, hotter than Sean Payton was).
So which is worse ?
"I didn't block because I didn't want an injury"
Or
"I didn't see it"
DJ on not blocking,not seeing fumble, not pursuing the fumble recoverer.
Funny how after DJ owned up y'all dropped it, GP says this why instead of I didn't see it and y'all gone berserker.
Tomlins coaching staff is horrendous.
We heard the media praise GP last year and in this season how good a blocker he was.
One block and y'all gone crazy.
Somebody definitely needs to get this club in order.
If he leave he should go coach the panthers I think he would do wonders for that organization and finish his coaching career there both of his tenures fro Steelers to coaching panthers if he does that I think both coaching tenures would be HOF all time because he would turn the panthers around completely, that locker room, he gonna turn all the young players into DAWGS.
I say Chargers
I don't think so, there's no one there who's really that good and Tomlin has been a coach that has coasted off of high end talent for years. Without them lucking out on AB I don't think he's all that, and he still couldn't win with that offense bc the defense always folded
My goodness! I was about to hit the comment with that very statement and feel that team would get turned around in short order...
@@555calex Nah I feel like it would be the same bad play if he were in Carolina. He needs a guy that can develop Bryce Young and if there's one thing we saw in Pittsburgh it's that Tomlin does not know the first thing about developing a qb
@@danielmezhinsky7708; That in my opinion is an organization issue because the Steelers held on to Ben way to long without a decent backup which they still don't have even this year. It's a matter of will
I think because there are veteran/retired players who can coach and help these young quarterbacks. They have to learn the pro football on their own which is valid but they need some guidance and instruction in this league and this is an issue among several teams...
How u feel now ryan he right bacc in the mix
He should -he enabling Pickens talents over standard! RC n Shannon r 100% correct! This is personal to him. They r not playing for each other! He can go to Saints-that HC is trash!
Tomlin is the classic “try and be cool with the players” coach.. it’s absolutely embarrassing.
I’ve been saying this since his first season and I got bashed for it for years!!!
Being an NFL football coach is a job, not a marriage vow. There's no lifetime expectations. Coaching at the same place 17 years is impressive but rare. Many marriages don't even last that long! But yeah, the Steelers need a new approach, and Tomlin needs to go to a team that needs their own breath of fresh air and stability.
I guess my questions are where do players have to take responsibility? And where is the position coaches responsibility?
I cannot believe someone actually agrees with me! Most Steelers fans Especially in PA will disagree with but I’ve been saying this for the last 10 yrs, Tomlin needs to Go!!! Let’s hear it from the Steelers fans in PA, do yall agree now?! Oh and I’ve been a Steelers fan for a minute!
This is the first real evaluation of the Steelers situation. I have always been a Steelers fan, and a Tomlin fan. But his work and his energy is just not working in Pittsburgh anymore. He's a great motivator. And he's a great leader of men. But sometimes scenery has to change.
Amen brother!!!! Two men for whom I have the greatest respect as both players and as members of the media!!!!
Tomlin does not need to leave Steelers nor do they have to get rid of him. This whole week long conversation has been about a player that plays a position that has the most divas. You deal with them best you can deal with someone making millions of dollars before 25 yrs old.
The main issue with this team is a lack of talent offensively. Not winning creates these attitudes, not that Mike is allowing it.
No one is accounting the defensive injuries there have been this year as well so yes, you’re going to lose some games.
And a head coach won’t look as good as they can without a good to great qb.
Steelers need to keep getting depth on defense, look for talent and get a franchise qb.
The problem isn’t necessarily Tomlin is a bad coach it’s the just same year after year coasting off mediocrity and things doesn’t seem to be changing for the better on both sides. It’s just been stagnant and things aren’t gonna get any better under him. He gotta go
@@jay_1212 that’s what happens when you’re going through a qb change. Ben didn’t leave soon enough so they suffered trying to make it work with someone who couldn’t even move in the pocket.
The transition to finding a NFL franchise qb is the hardest thing in sports. If he’s capable anywhere else then he’s capable for the Steelers. His message hasn’t been lost, the offense is just young and has a couple of immature knuckleheads.
@@WitnessThis1000🎯🎯🎯 bingo find a franchise QB is no joke in the nfl ohh lord 💯💯💯
@@WitnessThis1000ben waited 1p years to retire mike Tomlin also sucks at drafting he drafted Kenny Pickett over Malik Willis
A primary factor behind the Niners consistently producing significant plays is the collective effort in blocking, involving even the wide receivers and running backs.
100% correct as a long life steeler fan from Australia
Well put Clark put it all on the line every freaking play! All out ball out! Being a Steeler is a thing of legends and legacies! When that black and gold uniform is on lay it all out! Those 2 divas. He'll no they r gone after season!
Shannon sharp is Right 💯
Come to Atlanta I love to see you as a Falcons coach.
Hold up, prior to this season both Johnson and Pickens were out there blocking and doing so regardless of the games outcomes. We forget about that when we criticize them today. They are doing this intentional because they believe three things 1. QB situation won't change 2. Their value is decreasing due to impact to production 3. Their lack of effort will get them traded!
Yes Tomlin should go
Tomlin should come to Atlanta
Ryan Clark 💯 is Right
He's not coaching Bill Cowher's team anymore. And I'll say it again, this team isn't cohesive. Almost the entire offense is competing with EACH OTHER and not the opposing teams they play. Pickens v Johnson. Harris v Warren. For a minute it was like Pickett v Tribisky. They're is too much competition amongst each other. That doesn't make for a great team.
If mike T take over the chargers it ll be epic he’ll finally have a talented QB. The Steelers just won’t get that man a high level or Triple threat QB
Man, if Steelers fans are getting angry about this, I can only imagine how they'd be if they had to put up what us Giants fans have to go through. Steelers haven't had a losing season since 2003; I'd be happy if the Giants can string back to back winning seasons at this point.
8-8 is only winning in football. No real life situation is 50% good.
No you don’t because that means you got a average pick every year. And you don’t want any of the Steelers coaching staff fr. This team is seriously due for a rebuild from owner down only real Pittsburgh Steelers fans know.
RYAN CLARK 100% CORRECT
The solution to our problems is NOT firing Mike Tomlin.
Interim OC’s. QB is out. Offense is immature AF. Defense is injured. The man can’t do everything, be everything, solve everything, fix everything.
Give it a rest.
Appreciate you leaving Juju out of this… my man gave his all
Ryan always showing up to the play late.Thats the Ryan I remember from watching Steelers games......
Love this , not the the rehearsed 2 min segments every Monday on the Steelers saying the same ol “never had a losing season” “who you gonna replace him with” “if the Steelers fired Tomlin today he’d be picked up in a instance” they have been saying the last 6 years. I remember 2 years ago when Sharpe called out Tomlin for behavioral issues at receiver saying “you are either condoning it or coaching it” The team needs a QB they need a new line their front office doesn’t make allot of moves during the off-season so the only way for a real rebuild is for draft picks. If the Steelers go 9-8 they will pick middle of the draft and not get a need and be stuck with their QBs. I think Tomlin or the Rooneys need to make a decision and let Tomlin go somewhere like the chargers and start over by hiring EB or Ben Johnson just my thoughts
Great take 👏🏻
These Steelers WRs over the past few years 😂
There is a pattern there! Hines Ward need to come talk to these dudes
Asap!
I'm saying this as a question, not with disrespect to you, but do you think these guys care?
Tomlin has been terrible for 17yrs ,he inherited Cowher s disiplined team for his super bowl and rode the great talent he was given for yrs.Tomlin isn't capable of disciplining his players and can only get winning seasons with super bowl talent teams
Amazing as no player can hide on the field. Do they not see the camera's? There's something called class.
Exactly Shannon. Orlovsky has been going on about "since has this been allowed in Pittsburgh?" Always.
Come to the A, Coach Tomlin, we got you.
It is amazing, back in week 5, week 6, etc, National media would not question anything that Mike Tomlin did, they heaped praise on him and buried Matt Canada. In fairness, MC had to go, but it was clearly not the whole issue. Local media and the fanbase has seen lotos of issues over the years.. Now, it seems like the tide has completely turned and these guys are coming out of the word work to be on the record of questioning Tomlin.
They doing Belichick dirty too
If he’s a leader of men then he should be able to lead what he has in front of him. He was carried by a Cowher built and Ben led team by for 18 years same with Belichick and the Pats.
Not gonna give Pickens a pass, but he should have the opportunity to redeem himself. So not gonna hate on the guy, he knows. Let’s see how he moves forward.
These guys have been shielding Tomlin for too long.
Shielding him from what?
exactly. please elaborate. get it straight; the steelers are the only losers in this one cuz mike t is a HOFer who will find another job by the time the steelers are done announcing he gone@@GodfreyTheCreator
I remember everyone saying these same things about Cower in 2000 saying he was too friendly with players etc. Glad the organization didn’t listen to fans then, hope they don’t listen to fans now and instead do what they feel is right. If it’s keeping him or moving on I’ll support whatever decision they make.
Ryan and Shannon are 100% correct. Mr. Rooney please listen to these guys!
He speaks facts much respect true Steelers player😎🙏
Tomlin needs to go because he is not a good head coach..he isnt even a decent one. There is plenty of evidence to support this. You are right about the culture..that is what allowed a bad head coach to have success early on until he was able to get his fingerprints all over this team, and now here we are. Sure he could get hired right away...so could most of the head coaches who have been around for a while. The Steelers needed a head coach who could actually coach all along and not a cheerleader/mentor. Ill take a coach with a winning record in the playoffs any day..or a coach who hasnt given up 40+ points in the playoffs multiple times (he's a defense specialist?)..a coach that could beat a Tim Tebow team in the playoffs. I hope coach Tomlin realizes he is not a good head coach and retires at year end and we can listen to his bravado/swagger/mindless word salads as he is in a broadcast booth somewhere..bah. If Tomlin is such a leader of men, why does he have several men like that on his team? year after year.
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!
Please go!!
So overblown. Who had them winning anything? He gets more players that fit his style and he’s good.
@ryanclark - well stated Good Sir.
Right on Ryan...
Mike tomlin has had zero losing seasons in his tenure with Pittsburgh and his former players are publicly calling for his firing.
Sports media is a clown show. These ppl sold their soul a long time ago
While I don't think Tomlin should lose his job, I do believe what's happening in Pittsburgh starts with him. He did let AB get away with his behavior & it became a snowball effect
@@mrmartywaring so it's abs fault then
Because the blame always falls on one person's shoulders in football somehow
SHANNON SHARPE 🔥🥶🐐
I've never been a Tomlin fanboy. He was gifted a couple decade long franchise of success, system, culture, etc from those that demanded it. It has been dissolving slowly since Day 1. Day 1. idgaf what Super Bowls the Squealers went to since his arrival... it was decaying success built on the shoulders of better men before him. You see now what his mentality yields. Chad Johnson to NE? Randy Moss to NE? How many great out-of-control-players went to NE and LEARNED how they better be? Tomlin won't be fired, but if he were, any team that sucks him off in hopes to pick him up - just watch what happens after to whoever does.
Aye they was right on the head with everything said
Oh Mike Tomlin please come to Dallas 🙏🙏🙏
Come to Carolina
No we this was a great segment!!!
I don't think we should move on from him but maybe just assign someone else (offense based HC) and keep Mike T as a defense coordinator...we just need to focus a bit more on offense and balance both sides of the ball.
What evidently there are Shannon Sharpe I seen you play in Denver Clark I see you playing Pittsburgh Washington the bottom line is when you got receivers and your quarterback sucks like picket I wouldn't got be out there trying to get myself hurt either but it was amazing how good they played when Rudolph came out there so what's that
Media is blowing this issue way out or proportion. Tomlin dealt with much worse with AB. Keep in mind, Pittsburgh is 7-7 and still in playoff contention. Tomlin isn’t leaving Pittsburgh until HE wants to.
But that’s the issue, I don’t think Tomlin will ever have a terrible record but the Steelers as a whole has been coasting off mediocrity for a while now. Something has gotta change
@@jay_1212 Their offense is the 2nd youngest in the league full of 1st, 2nd, 3rd year players. They are immature. That’s their biggest problem. They don’t handle the adversities within games well. You can’t coach that out of players, especially an entire unit. Doesn’t help either that their backup QB’s can’t really help.
Sharpe tells it how it is and it's mostly Tomlin's fault because he's been condoning it. They been stuck in neutral with Tomlin for 13 years man.
The standards and discipline has been toxic for years. Players coach or not it’s the principle and the receiving core behavior add Ju Ju in there to have run wild and rampant. Supbar years but it starts with culture yes talent at position matters but there needs to be changes.
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