When I was in college my friends and I made my borg with caffeine-free kool aid because a very nice nurse on campus had told us the dangers of caffeine with alcohol I’m very happy that we were told this before something bad happened
Back in my day 4Lokos had caffeine, you could get them for $2 each, so for $4 you had 8 alcoholic drinks and 2 red bulls. College was so dangerous during that craze lol
As a college student who lives in an area with tons of fraternities, I’ve heard so many people talk about this. One of my friends said that if you didn’t make the Borg it will send you to the morgue, but if you bring your own you’re more likely to make it home.
The points about avoiding spiked or drugged drinks are actually really solid, I hadn't even considered that. If you just put like, kool aid or sports drink in with maybe a smidge of alcohol if you felt like it, that'd actually be just fine.
yeah my first thought after he said that the big problems were the amount of alcohol and the caffeine content was "why not make a smaller version with a decaffeinated flavor instead?"
I actually love how refreshingly honest your point on the safe side of personal drinks at parties can be. The stats of spiked drinks in and out of college are absolutely terrifying, and the amount of mostly women that I know of that have been spiked and assaulted angers me to my core. Kids, if youre gonna borg, do it safe, either limit the alcohol level or remove the caffeine side of it before doing so.
Better yet, do both. Limit the alcohol and remove the caffeine completely. If you're going to make a jungle juice status borg, then don't drink it all in one setting. Sip it like wine or moonshine and don't just chug it like a jock
Yes, I'm in college rn and talking to one of my friends who is in a frat feels surreal. I can't comprehend why women would willingly go to a party that needs to advertise itself as "roofie-free" or "no drink spiking!"
Thank you Matt from the bottom of my heart and soul for talking about how often people are getting their drinks spiked. More people need to be talking about how bad it's getting and how life altering it can be. Seriously thank you
I'm surprised he even touched the fact that men also get their drinks spiked. A lot of people believe that doesn't happen at all and that men are safe from it.
I actually really like how this turned out! The safety of carrying around your own drink and the bonus of not needing to drink the alcohol there to fit in, I like to think someone realized the benefits of normalizing the concept of the BORG and ran with it. Honestly though I think I'd be skipping on the caffeinated flavoring. There are other options.
If you just make it in a Liter bottle instead of a gallon (using 1/4 the ingredients) and use non-caffeinated flavoring, it adds up to a reasonable all-evening party cocktail for one person, and no need to monitor your intake drunk because you planned it advance when you.were sober
Buddy of mine used to do that. He had one of those 64oz (half gallon, 1.9l) truck stop coffee mugs he'd fill with ice, dump in how much rum he wanted to drink that night, and top it with cola.
We used to do something like that in the mid 2010s, get a cooler, fill it with some huge amount of water, 1.75L of Vodka, 750ml of Gin, and then a few packs of zero sugar/calorie lemonade powder. Basically a BORG without the private jugs.
I think the gallon size is to make sure you dont run out and can always say no to other peoples drink offers. You dont have to drink it all on the night. You could take it home & then bring it to the next party. It helps hide how little you've been drinking, particularly if you always start with one that is at most 3/4 full.
While I can understand how this works for some people, for others it just increases the risk of ingesting too much alcohol. I personally am a very fast drinker (not just with alcohol) and if I have a drink, I'm going to drink. I need to limit either how easy it is to drink (beer bottles are easier to sip out of instead of 'accidentally' downing it all) or how often I get a drink. And I know for a fact that's not uncommon either.
Why would someone need a big gallon of alcohol to reject someone else's drink offer when they can also say no without one? Unless you mean a person carrying around a gallon makes some people feel more comfortable saying no.
@@PeterGriffin11 Drinking culture is weird, and people can be weirdly insistent you drink more, especially with drinking games or if you're younger and more easily convinced. Having a good excuse like already having your own drink is a good alternative if you're not good at saying no.
Can I just say thank you? I feel like you grabbing our attention saying how dangerous is the borg, then explaning that spike drinks are a huge deal is really important. I really appreciate it that you are always trying to make the world a better place! ( One diet coke at the time! )
You raise some very good points about the dangers that are present with borgs. I think a lot of it can be nullified by reaching out and teaching people proper safety of alcohol. The common "Borg" at my university typically contains about half a bottle of vodka, and while that is still a lot, it is noticibly less than an entire bottle, as well as the frequency of people finishing an entire gallon is low, and usually only seems to happen at long parties, or with pregames that lead into parties. Due to educational programs offered by our health prevention and advocacy center, they've also encouraged people to not use caffeine within them. While incidents due still happen with people getting overly intoxicated, from anecdotal experience, the issue of assault, while still present has gone down. Alcohol in a borg is still alcohol, and we must educate people to drink and treat it as such.
No one can. Unless they hand me an unopened bottle or open it in front of me and I hear that seal break, or I know unquestionably that I can trust the person, I won't drink it.
Reminds me of the rules I was taught when going to parties: Only drink something from a sealed container. Once you get your cup, always hold it where you can see it (not down by your side or out with your head turned the other way). Grip it from the top, not the side (unless you are actively taking a sip of course), and never ever walk away from it.
@@kandyappleviewvery smart. I was drugged at a small after party and assaulted. I knew it was a possibility but didn't think it would happen at my bff's apartment with ppl I knew and a couple neighbors of hers. Still don't know what was all done to me.
Unis student here who also works in a bar: I have had an entire bottle of vodka in one night before (with mixers, I'm not that stupid). Here are my drinking tips to stay safe 1- if you are at a party, never drink when you're alone. At least one person in your group HAS to stay sober. Make it fair by rotating 2- my personal recommendation is to only get drinks in bottles, like VK, WKD, Rekordilig, Budweiser etc. Don't get mixed drinks or drinks from taps (in my experience they are also cheaper) 3- if your drink is unattended for even a SECOND, that is no longer your drink. Abandon it or even better, dump it to prevent others from drinking a potentially spiked drink. 5- If five people enter the party, five people are leaving. If your friend is drunk, do not let them go to someone else's place for a hook up. Especially if that other person is sober. 6- if you don't see the drink being poured, do not drink it. If you feel uncomfortable with someone who bought you a drink, or you just don't want it, put it down discreetly or accidentally spill it. DO NOT do anything you are uncomfortable doing. Practice saying no. No does not stop predators sadly, but it can get someone else's attention 7- ALWAYS MAKE A SCENE if you feel unsafe. Make as much noise as you can, get all eyes on you if possible. It does not matter if you are embarrassing yourself. Your safety is more important. 8- (this one is just for convenience and can be more fun with the right people) drink at home with friends. Make your own foul cocktails in the safety of your own home. Worst case scenario, you throw up in your bedroom sink and have to spend an hour cleaning it the next morning. Have fun and stay safe!!!
Wish ppl followed this advice more. As a uni students, the amount of times I’ve had so called friends abandon me on nights out is insane. I’m not saying anyone should be forced into a babysitter role but it’s be nice if ppl had the decency to stick with the group they came with
@@thecomposerchanginggames5250 avoiding situations and problems just aren't always options so as you said, it's still very helpful because it is indeed informative. :)
I agree with the points MatPat laid out here. The safety from drugging and spiking is actually a really big positive of the borg that I wouldn't have even considered at first. That being said, alcohol abuse is really something I hate seeing being risked. My brother's been hospitalised and my dad's been addicted, it's scary stuff and borg just sounds like death in a jug
Well I’d also say something people don’t realize is you don’t have to drink the whole thing, including most people don’t put a full bottle of liquor into a borg. Like I’ve made one before, and we put like half a bottle of vodka, and a couple good squirts of flavoring, so not nearly as crazy and the normal borg. Honestly just good to me because it gives you a lot of water with your alcohol, which is a key in not having bad hangovers. But dif strokes for dif folks.
I was going to mention how bringing your own BORG could keep you from being pressured into drinking. I personally never want to drink alcohol (even though I want to go to bartending school for a bit when I'm older since chatting up patrons and mixing drinks definitely seems like something I can do), and bringing a BORG to a party that's actually just a bunch of fruit juices + possibly some soda/sparkling water would let people think I'm drinking and avoiding pressure to do so when I'm staying completely sober. As you mentioned it would provide safety in knowing no one added something to it as well (another advantage not drinking as a bartender could bring, being able to notice that someone slipped something into another person's drink even if they don't).
Matt's suggestion about the Borg Baby I'd pretty spot on. On my college campus I've seen people utilizing the smaller 1/2 gallon bottles for their Borgs instead of the traditional full gallon. Additionally I highly doubt many people utilize the full bottle of vodka for their Borgs, usually it's 1/4 a gallon vodka with 3/4 water. Additionally, I have never seen anyone use an ENTIRE bottle of Mio for their Borgs. That's wayyy too expensive for us college students to be wasting like that.
"That's waaaay too expensive for us college students..." :D I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh over the expense of a Mio bottle. We're in a sad state of affairs if a bottle of Mio is considered a luxury that's too expensive. :(
Regarding volume, yeah. A full gallon is a *lot*. As a reference, outside of exigent circumstances, an adult man only needs to drink about a gallon of water _for a whole day._ _That_ is how much fluid is in a gallon. Drinking a whole gallon of anything at a party (unless said party lasts for a whole day or includes uncomfortably excessive amounts of sweating) is excessive by any measure.
Aaaaah I remember college days. The non drinkers and less experienced drinkers loved my colorful ‘drinks’. Pink lemonade with some fruit and herbs. Made it look like a cocktail but no alcohol. Ever since been making more ‘mock tail’ recipes. I saw borgs at college and that what started me making fake but fancy looking drinks.
I would worship you. Heck still would. Fucked up my liver being an idiot teen so now non-alcoholic drinks are pretty much it outside champagne twice a year.
honestly just using a non-caffinated drink mix and a smaller container would fix this entirely. im not exactly a partygoer but i can see the good intent behind it to keep yourself safe
My suggestion for making a borg that is much safer is to do 4 to 6 shots of liquor (thats all I need to get nice and drunk because Im a lightweight) or more depending on how much you can take, the rest water, and then as much non caffinated flavoring as you need to get it tasting good. This would be a solid borg that can last all day and also not have a dangerous amount of alcohol and also no caffeine. Nobody will know too!
This is better than what my college friends used to drink. It involved a few cans of red bull and blue Gatorade drink mix made with vodka and everclear instead of water. It was surprisingly drinkable considering you could probably run a car on it.
Seriously thank you for talking about things like spiked drinks and the like. Not a lot of youtubers in the genra tend not to bring it up, let alone bring stats into things. As someone who had to be equipped to handle these situations from an age younger than I probably should have, whenever I go out to social settings and end up people watching, I see so many red flags, and have even caught (and stopped) situations happening. So many people are reckless with things like this and it's something I didn't expect to be brought up. Again, thank you so very much for talking about this.
It's amazing how much you see when people watching. Thanks for stepping in. A lot of people will see it but either be too far gone themselves to process it, or they don't want to "rock the boat" and keep silent.
@@miciarokiri5182 I used to have a group I'd get out with. We'd watch over each other, until we lost one of the members. I still go out and I don't drink and know what to do to keep myself safe, but so many people are so trusting. I have protected my friends with my life. That shouldn't end cause I don't know someone, but I've seen other people watch and do nothing. People need to protect others, I'd never not.
LOL legit if this was a thing when I was 21 I would definitely make it at home without alcohol before going to my friends or a party. I hated being pressured to drink and this would have saved me from all that nonsense.
I never went to any of my dorm's parties 'cuz I hate not just the taste but also the smell of alcohol... Like I even avoided my roommates' house parties & just "conveniently" made plans with my friends to "go out" (read: meet at someone else & play either dnd or cards xD)
Thank you for talking about the spiked drink stats. I’m afraid to go to bars or parties when I’m 21 out of the fear that my drink will be spiked and I will be assaulted. Even bartenders have done that some times!
That perspective of having a Borg for safety is really great, and not something I would have thought of. Because otherwise, it's essentially the simplified gen z version of hunch punch. Everyone had their own recipe, so you had no idea what you were actually drinking-just that it would give you the result you wanted 😂😂
@@nilus2k We had something called a V-Dub - Vodka and V energy drink, which was often mixed in with whatever else people had around for a shared punch.
This is my favorite food theory episode and I cant place why... its just everything the theory channels stand for: informative, has a twist, funny, is about a dangerous topic as far as yt goes. Good job!
I don't drink, but this sounds like it has the potential to be the best or worst idea depending on the individual making it. More water, less alcohol, no caffeine, add some flavor and/or hydration enhancers, then pace yourself, and you might have a recipe for a good time. I still wouldn't drink it, but I get it. With the right tweaks, I approve.
I don't drink very much myself. And when I do it's at home. But if I do these Borg things odds are it would have zero alcohol in them. Like you said it has great potential for good, but also for bad as well depending on the individual 🤷♀.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Natural selection in humans isn't a thing anymore. We took that out of the equation a long time ago. At best this would be social Darwinism, and even Darwin would disapprove of that concept. It's one thing if a bunch of people want to eat Tide Pods, that's pretty obvious, but the effects of mixing caffeine and alcohol aren't as readily obvious. Even smart people can do dumb things if they lack proper information.
The Borg is honestly more about harm reduction. If you think about it many of those old school punch bowls had 2-3 servings of alcohol per red solo cup (on the low end) and I have seen people drink 6 or seven solo cups by the end of the night. That's between 12-21 servings of alcohol so not too far off. This way they have a visual of how much alcohol they are actually consuming, they make it, it's labeled so it won't be mixed up, and it has the added protection of the cap to prevent contamination. All in all, it's a pretty ingenious way for people who's frontal lobes aren't totally developed to stay safer than before!
i’ve also heard that most borgs are created with Liquid IV or other electrolyte packs, not caffeine, and it’s supposed to be a hangover free beverage choice. Because you’re staying hydrated with the water, and consuming the electrolytes you’re losing from the alcohol. Not sure how popular the caffeine ones are but i’ve only ever heard of the electrolyte hydration BORGS
Concerning the strength of the drink: By the volumes listed in the video (rounded for simplicity), the ratio of water, booze, and mix is 50/20/30. Meanwhile, at home I'm mixing my rum & Coke at a ratio of 0/40/60 (no water for me, I actually want to taste the rum, thanks). Unless my math is super wrong, because my drink isn't watered down, that means by volume, BORG contains half as much alcohol as my rum & Coke. So either this drink is basically safe (if consumed over the course of several hours) or I'm nearly dying every time I drink. When drinking at home, I drink out of a Coke glass, which holds exactly 444ml (or one entire can of Guinness). I tend to drink two of these, which equals about 355ml of rum total (approximately the volume of a soda can). If I were to push it to four drinks, that's about 710ml, almost the whole bottle of rum, and more than a liter of Coke. This would definitely have me throwing up and probably going to the hospital if consumed within a couple hours. This brings me to the subject of high intensity drinking. Maybe I missed it in the video where it's explicitly stated, but is anyone actually drinking a whole gallon of this stuff in 2 hours? It seems more like the kind of thing you do to last you a whole night, which is exactly how I might use it at home for an 8-hour drunk-gaming session. I suppose it all comes down to pacing yourself and knowing your limits, or as it's often phrased: "please enjoy responsibly". Note: I recognize that BORG apparently uses vodka, and I drink rum. However, both have an ABV of 40%, which is all that matters for our purposes.
Same; even as a guy, I never drink when I'm out with friends. On the very rare occasion I have alcohol (usually just Christmas dinner having a Scotch on the rocks with Dad), it's at home with family when no-one has to drive.
Those stats on spiked drinks are interesting. I think I drank a spiked drink that was intended for someone else when I was in university. I have very little recollection of much past the first drink and spent days throwing up and shivering after. The area I was living was rife with drugs and you could pretty much get anything if you knew someone or looked hard enough.
You were very likely the victim of being drugged. I had a friend in college who went out with his girlfriend to a bar and had to take her to the hospital after because one drink in and she couldn't even walk anymore. Another friend finished his girlfriends drink for her and he was drugged. It's crazy. Never let your drink out of your sight and always cover it when strangers are within arms reach. The slight of hand some spikers use is very swift.
Spiked with what? (and l don't mean this rhetorically, l'm scientifically curious about this) l can't imagine a single pill that could simultaneously be easy to dissolve in an alcohol/aqueous solution without a mortar-and-pestle, have no strange taste that can be masked by the drink and that manages to quickly incapacitate a full grown person in a small enough dose to not be noticed. My hypothesis is that the drugged feeling may come from the combination of the depresant effect of the common willing consumption of over-the-counter anxiety medication intensified by the depresant effect of alcohol.
@@alejandroquesada ever heard of GHB? It's pretty tasteless, comes as a liquid and only needs small amounts to take someone down. You're response comes across like you either blame the victims of spiking or don't believe that it's happened based off of a very limited knowledge of pharmaceuticals. I'd like to add that in the UK we don't have the over the counter anxiety medication that you're implying. For that you need a prescription written out by a doctor and I think I'd have noticed if I'd taken the time to be diagnosed with anxiety and prescribed a medication that I would have to go to a pharmacy to collect and then take orally.
@@incredibleflameboy Actually l come from working in a hospital where 100% of the cases of "strange behaviour following the consumption of alcohol" comes from either not knowing one's limit to alcohol consumption or the interactions of said alcohol consumed with the medications that people take on a day-to-day basis, like benzos (lt's not victim-shaming if it says in the box that you shouldn't combine them with alcohol and you go to do just that). l'm sure that there are plenty of cases here and there of people taking advantage of others with the drug you mentioned or pridinol or scopolamine, but to imagine that there are *320,000 cases every year* of people spiking drinks to take advantage of them would be astounding, astonishing, flabbergasting, dumbfounding, stupefying and any other similar word in the thesaurus... we have to draw the conclusion that either that number is vastly exaggerated or that so many sexual-predators have infiltrated the college system that drinking alcohol at a college party should be equated to walking into a dark alley in a bad part of town wearing all of your parents' jewelry while in a loud phone call in your latest iPhone.
Days throwing up and shivering doesn't sound like you were drugged to be honest it sounds like a narly hangover. The drugs used to drug people are GHB or benzos like klonopin. Both of which do cause blackout but benzos don't cause hangovers and ghb wears off quickly meaning the hangover is hours not days. Alcohol on the other hand can do exactly what you talking about when consumed in heavy doses.
Being in the UK, and as a teen, we regularly brought entire bottles of vodka with us which were absolutely gone by the end of the night. Borg seems to be a reskin of whatever random stuff we threw together hahaha
Oh to be 15 again, sitting on the swings at the park and passing around a bottle of frosty jacks and smoking lambert and butler cigarettes. I'm feeling strangely nostalgic yet cringing at the same time.
@@mlpfan-id1np oh no my friend group were literally the vodka and cheap Cola/lemonade 2L bottles in a field at 3am crew 😂 we had an amazing spot that was called 'Minks Farm' and it overlooked Huddersfield and Halifax on either side, absolutely perfect place for drunken shenanigans
its the most rational way to get drunk as possible as fast as possible. i was already doing it for nearly a decade without the jug just down a absolute vodka and down a bunch of water after. honestly it made my stomach hurt way less in the morning then just downing a bunch of classic flagons of beer.
Alcohol free and caffeine free seems like a good way to go tbh. I know people who don’t have either, so drinking one without would be good. Past this, there’s the option for sugar free which is becoming more popular these days.
@@wigley7610 To be fair.... there are a lot of things that shouldn't be drunk all at once. Like energy drinks, soda and coffees. That's just a bathroom break waiting to happen. Water too, but mostly because you can give yourself water poisoning by drinking too much and not using the restroom enough.
i was a lil worried when u sold the channel but when u explained and showed us nothing would change i felt better, plz never stop what u do i would like to see grandpa pat lol you guys have helped me threw a lot and if anybody in the theorist family sees this thank you to
@Yasser yall, he sold the channel to a new manager. They support what he's doing and not much will change..nvm alot will! We will get better content for alot of stuff
The base mixture is pretty scary as stated in the video but the customization means that those dangers can be decreased or even negated, I mean one could even have a borg full of soda and juice with no alcohol if they really wanted to. All in all I think if the drink is made responsibly the benefits definitely make the Borg a worth while idea.
That's what i was thinking, matpat stated how dangerous borg is from the amount of alcohol and caffein there is in borg but if you just use water with mixed juice it pretty much becomes 2 liters of non-carbonated soda and the problems are eleminated without anyone knowing in the party.
My older brother actually would take a non alcoholic borg to parties so he wouldn’t have to worry about the things you said in the second half of the video. In reality it would just be kook-aid most of the time
I was just that the best part of a Borg is when you don't feel like drinking you can just make a jug of koolaid and no one will know the difference, so they won't pester you about drinking or try to make you a drink or anything and you can stay safe and sober without having to worry
@Mer Luzo if someone took a sip they would know but the whole point is that it's a personal drink. It's not meant share and it wouldn't look any different from other borgs at the party
My psych teacher spent an entire class period talking about the affects and differences on how how things like alcohol, caffeine, and certain drugs affect you and what happens when you mix them. She was one of my favorite teachers, conditioned us to taste lemons when we hear payphone by maroon 5 😂 don't worry, we supplied the lemons and all of us consented to forever associate lemons with a song
I agree that this is great for regulating your consumption and guarding against spiking, but it only works within a house party setting. No bar or club is going to allow you to bring your own massive jug of alcohol
In all honesty as someone who doesn’t drink but wishes more mocktails were available when I’m with friends I would love to just carry my own mocktails with them in the form of Borg.
Just mix one in a bottle and bring it with you. You don't need a gallon. But the concept of BORG never made it over to my city in Europe. We were drinking flavoured vodka liqueurs (20% ABV) roughly a bottle per person, per evening. So if you had a party, a bottle of 20% is the lower limit of how much alcohol you should assume will be drunk. Nowadays I stick to beer, it's much more managable and you can't get drunk that fast. Also drinking that much beer so you land in the hospital, is diffiicult. At some point your stomach is full and you need to slow down.
When you consider that one BORG would be probably shared among multiple people it actually begins to make a great deal of sense. One handle is 17 shots, divided among 3 people is around 5.6 shots per person. This is still not perfectly safe, (no alcohol is safe) but assuming that you drink that over the course of around two hours and that is a reasonable amount of alcohol. You will not throw up or be more at risk than anyone else (just maybe find a caffeine-free flavoring method)
Even if you don’t share it, the BORG is more a product of day drinking culture. So even a person drinking one alone would usually happen over the course of 6+ hours on a casual drinking day like tailgating or barbecuing
Mat pat literally showed an option without caffeine near the start of the episode, but just decided to talk about the caffeinated version for some reason
Polish version of it is called "kociołek panoramixa" (Panoramix's cauldron in literal translation, apparently it gives you an unhuman powers, just like in the french comedy movie) Recipe includes: 500ml of vodka 4 cans of beer 750ml of sparkling wine 1l of energy drink 200ml of concentrated raspberry/cherry juice Mix it all together and it's done (can even be heated, but then it loses the sparkling effects) The point is to make it as cheap as possible, which usually makes it poisonous af. I'll never forget the headaches that happened day after consuming this potion in higher doses.😅 I reckon that this "borg" stuff is nothing when compared to Polish enchanted version, but it doesn't suprise me tbh😂
I am a freshman in college. Party’s are most certainly not my thing so I had no idea what a borg was until I walked into my room while my roommate was gathering the ingredients to make one. I was just like why do you have mio and vodka.
I'm actually a really big fan of the baby borg idea. You definitely should not have a full one in your hands while under the influence of alcohol, much less caffeine if you're crazy and want to do that, however having a set amount for you to drink in advance and easily be able to see where you are along that line is great. If someone is wild enough to want to do caffeine and alcohol, having a set amount of each that's specifically measured out is exactly what you need. Ironically, the baby borg can be used as a tool of moderation while the full borg just seems like the complete opposite. It would be really interesting to see how this could evolve.
Spiked drinks are a MASSIVE problem. Not just on college campuses, but in things like dates… where often then the one who spiked the others drink does… something I’m not going to describe here.
from what I have heard on the topic, one of the LARGEST reasons why people like it so much is due to the high water content which greatly reduces hangover symptoms
Well, non-alcoholic liquids dilute alcoholic ones. Half a gallon of water and one bottle of vodka (I'm basing this on a typical bottle sold in my country, which is at somewhere around 40% alc.) results in a liquid with about the same percentage as wine, maybe a bit more. But because you prepare it yourself, you can control the alcoholic content of it.
It’s common at my school for a group of friends to share a borg, so it’s not just one person tackling it. Most people also use non-caffeinated flavoring.
I will say that the spiked drink scene is definitely being handled the best it can be I was once escorted out of a party just for moving someones drink to get to my drink that was behind it alot of people are taking it seriously and I completely understood and yes i pled my case and was told it was just a precaution and I am 100% for this at any function but i will definitely be asking people to move their drinks instead of me just doing it from now on
It sounds like they were making a big deal out of nothing. Unless they saw you put something in a drink, they shouldn't be attacking you for something they have no concrete evidence of happening.
If they were really concerned, they could have dumped the drink, and searched you for the drugs. If you happened to have a different drug on you at the time, that would probably look bad, and be hard to explain.
Seems like it’s perfectly fine in terms of drinks, as long as there’s no caffeine put in it. I’m glad that people are getting educated about being safe while doing this stuff. If someone wants to get drunk, they’re GONNA get drunk, so it’s better if they’re safe about it.
I think in smaller measured quantities, the borg is a great low cost idea at college party settings. Being drugged at parties is a huge issue so I hope some college students use the borg wisely and not to get themselves so drunk they get hospitalized. Maybe rename the smaller borg to something else
The thing I don’t get is why so many people drink alcohol, there are other options so why does everyone sound like they’re saying that alcohol is a required drink once you turn old enough.
just graduated college last year and was not a huge party person in the first place but i LIVED by the "don't drink a drink you didn't see poured" rule
10:58 I don't even drink but when i went to a school party i was literally FORCED to drink alcoholic beverages, i denied multiple times but it felt horrible not having a single person accepting my choice and leaving me alone
Honestly if i went to a party, i'd make what i dub "forg" (fake-out-rage-gallon) which is literally just koolaid/any other drink in a gallon bottle. And i'd just be in the corner laughing at idiot's that get schwasted
Overall, I think it's a good thing so long as you're responsible with what you put into it. A borg with water, non-caffeinated flavoring (maybe actual Kool aid), and a set amount of alcohol that is well within your own limits might actually keep you safer imo.
@@MissCaraMint Harm reduction is more responsible and more realistic than just expecting everyone to stop drinking or doing drugs. your comment makes people feel judged joseph comment helps people reduce harm
@@mahogany2748 I no way did I say people had to stop drinking. It is simply hard to gauge how much you are actually consuming when using this large of a receptacle. This is why with this particular drink it is dangerous alone to have a lot of alcohol in it. However, on the flip side no one would know if you went to a party sans alcohol either. it would be a sneaky way to get away from the very real peer pressure that exists within drinking culture. Honestly you should stop reading motivations into strangers's comments that aren't there.
@@MissCaraMint I’m not reading into anything he left a comment about how to safely use a Borg by adding water to dilute it and also only adding an amount of alcohol that is not dangerous to drink and you came in and said just remove alcohol completely which is not a helpful solution to people who we’re going to drink a dangerous amount of alcohol
Fascinating how many of those Four Loko stories were parents suing the manufacturer of an alcoholic beverage for the consequences of their children drinking way underage.
If you read into it more (I do believe there is a video on the channel) a lot of that was because they were not being sold as alcoholic drinks where kids were regularly picking them up such as gas stations and convenience stores. Most of the stores either didn't know to card, or just didn't.
@@hallaloth3112that’s not their fault tho, Im assuming the ingredient thing SHOWS it has alcohol since no one sued them over that so you can’t rlly sue them for stupid decisions made from you being stupid and drunk
@@error8119 I mean, I'm not going to disagree with that. . .but we're also again, talking about alcohol being sold as an energy drink to underaged minors. Is it the companies fault? Not directly perhaps, but we all know labels tend to be scummy and no one reads ingredient labels. Also, there's just the fact that alchole and caffine just shouldn't be mixed and can have severe health risks. . .again in the hands of minors of which, from what I understand. . .the marketing was kinda being targeted to.
Finding the silver-lining in all things bad is my favorite thing about the Theory channels. Pairing water intoxication with Caffeine overdose and excess amount of liquor BUT at least you know what's in it and can keep you relatively safe during the parts of the night that you can recollect.
Lol you aren't getting water intoxication with just a half gallon of water spread over a couple hours while you're drinking alcohol. You also aren't gonna overdose on caffeine, a typical person needs to ingest like 3000 mg before that happens. You just shouldn't generally mix caffeine with alcohol.
Matt honestly does offer the best solution here - just make the bottle smaller. Minimize the risks by reducing the amount of dangerous chemicals being imbibed, and you keep all of the safety features the borg already has!
It’s also a more reasonable serving size and a lot easier to carry around like gallons of a drink are heavy, I wouldn’t want to carry that all around in a party
I know it's not glamorous but I really appreciate Matt delivering what is essentially a PSA in a semi-interesting way. Information about these risks needs to be put somewhere where people will listen.
6:06 why are kids drinking a highly alcoholic drink? That’s not even legal outside the US. 6:15 hope they added a warning (or ingredients list or something) because if not they are probably in trouble. 10:37 don’t leave your drink. Keep it in sight.
I was honestly shocked to hear the recipe you said, because when I had seen a TikTok about it a few months ago the recipe they gave was only a cup of alcohol. And a whole bottle contains 3.17 cups so that's an insane upscale
Honestly pretty nice to be able to mix up all your drinks for the night while still completely sober. Kinda puts a lid on the "just one more" behavior that leads to toilet prayer.
My older brother made a borg pretty recently. I had to bring him water the next morning cause he was so sick. I don’t think I’ve ever had to do that before
I love this concept, even being a non-drinker myself. It increases drink safety with how you're the only one opening and closing the bottle, and the only one drinking from it. I also love the fact you can control what you put in, so if you don't like the taste of alchohol you don't have to put it in your borg
This episode really opened my eyes. I have never heard of a Borg because I’m not in college but every time I drink I drink tequila and monster because someone told me drinking monster would get me drunker and I always fall asleep after drinking a a little, so it helps me stay awake, but I did not know the effect it had on my body until just now and that’s crazy so thank you you
7:47 I would not expect them to cancel out. I've experience what happens if you try to cancel out spicy with minty: it creates the taste of hellfire. Hence I'd expect mixing caffiene and booze to create a culinary eldritch abomination
To be fair I would have liked that back in the day when i was in uni. The idea of getting a fairly good mix of alcohol and water at the same time means I wouldn't have to remember to drink a glass of water after every drink. That really helps with hangovers. I wouldn't have drunk an entire bottle at one party, because its a bottle of vodka. I'd also skip the caffeine additives. I found out long ago that those mix badly. The customizability appeals to me. Not more "oh if i bring good liquor to this party everyone is gonna drink it, so i may as well bring the same craptastick drink everyone else got because they are broke".
On this subject, I think it would be awesome if you could cover some of the methods that have been developed for people to identify whether a drink has been spiked (there are some quick tests, but there's also a nail polish that reacts to certain drugs, etc.) or what other products there are that help people to stay safe. :)
I like the idea behind the borg; the control over your drink. I feel like once people understand just how many drinks they're putting in, they'll be able to make a smarter decision.
@@Crygear the side effects of drinking alcohol definitely do not include making smarter decisions, so i feel like their point is that if you're preparing a massive jug of alcohol to take to a party, you likely aren't making many smart decisions.
I used to very frequently just drink a bottle of 750ml vodka straight at parties, so the watering it down immediately made this safer in my opinion 🤷♀️
This was a very good video! I'd not heard of the BORG but as you said, it can be utilized for more good than bad and I can't completely hate it. Love how much emphasize you put on safety, not just with the BORG but also with spiking drinks and food. Like. It's so important. Thank you.
I had a friend in college who would chug gallons of milk. The college made it really cheap and hearty and that friend went ham on them. He never got drunk (duh) and his stomach handled it just fine (somehow). Great at parties.
I like the idea that if you don't want to drink alcohol and instead can put juice and water etc in these bottles is a good idea. But also it's a very sad idea to think that's what you have to do to save yourself from getting you're drink spiked. I think we could do with changing people's mindset that you CAN have fun without too much , or no alcohol when going out to parties etc it's been imbedded in our heads for generations and I think things need to change for everyones safety.
The disturbing part is that escalation is gonna happen. People who spike drinks are still gonna want to drug people, and they'll find other ways of doing it.
Love the addressing of the whole subject; it’s good that you’re acknowledging how bad the drinking culture is in younger people, and you’re just keeping them informed. Also, a note from me(someone who’s native to the Western MA area), it’s actually pronounced Am-merst not Am-herst lol
As an avid borg enthusiasts. Borgs is fantastic, i make mine without caffeine, but the ability for safety from getting drugged and the ability to control your alc content is awesome
they’re pretty awesome, you also don’t have to keep searching for drinks and potentially spend way too much money since you’re carrying it out with you
Don't lie to yourself. If you're making yourself a borg or drinking anywhere close to that amount of alcohol, you're not actually concerned about safety.
Yeah in my friend groups we make them without caffeine and we also always have people that don’t finish so there’s no pressure to drink the entire thing
@@SamuraiGuy The thing is you’re not drinking that much though. It’s pretty obvious you’ve never used one but you get to control how much is in it (amount of alcohol if any at all), what goes into it (caffeine, no caffeine, mio, whatever), and it won’t get drugged because you’re carrying it with you and make it on your own. Don’t say stupid things that you can’t even speak to, it’s rude and ignorant.
@@SamuraiGuy You didn't read their comment did you? Where they mention how they control their alcohol content. Or are you just projecting your own issues and assuming they use 90% vodka in their drink?
I saw one of these when I was in college 10 years ago. I knew from the smell of booze that it was a BAD idea. And for the spiked drink issues, yeah, I remember going to a sanctioned party by the RA’s and tasting the Hawaiian punch when it first was laid out and then after a refill, and I knew it had been spiked with something nasty. The staff had to dump the whole jug, but by then several women and men were passed out. I’m glad I only dipped the tip of my tongue in it before noping out of there.
Y'know I was also going to write this off as people making bad decisions, but seeing the actual safety provided by making your own drinks I definitely get it. I've had a jungle juice or two that was definitely too strong, and probably not super safe.
Honestly thank you for talking about this. I'm in college and I may not be a party person but it's super super important to talk about it and support things like this for the sake of self preservation.
that kind of drink is very popular with university students here in Mexico, we call it "aguas locas" or crazy waters, just instead of vodka we use a liquor called tonayán that costs around 3 dollars per liter.
I only saw it once, and I liked the idea so much that I made one. Mainly for the set amount of alcohol that you don't exceed, and the hydration/electrolyte aspect that basically kills your hangover, which is interesting if you're anywhere past your mid 20s. You don't have to go overborg with caffeine, I mean one regular red bull to a gallon won't hurt at all
Exactly. The fact that water and electrolytes are in the drink itself means you can drink a ton and not have much of a hangover. The people who are getting hospitalized are the people that put less water and more alcohol with way more caffeine
Even if you don't have a lot of caffeine with it, I would look into the specific numbers before ever mixing alcohol with caffeine. There have been cases of deaths after people drank alcohol and energy drinks like redbull. It makes the heart beat irregularly.
I usually find a borg to last me 2-3 nights if i'm drinking solo. Makes it great for sharing and parties. also there are non caffeine water flavor enhancers.
I kept wondering why you were putting so much emphasis on the amount of alcohol or caffeine in the jug, because it literally didn't even occur to me that someone would be making this with the intention to drink the entire thing on their own.
I'm going to be honest I don't think I've ever finished one of these. usually I only get 2/3 of the way through. and that's typical. they're designed to not be finished
I literally remember my 1 christian friend did the same. just 2-3 years ago, he would attend parties with a bottle of mixed juices, completely indistinguishable from the other people with juice vodka mixes, and while we dont quite go to borg levels with it, we do prefer to have an easy way to mix vodka into something that actually tastes good.
My roommates and I made these just this past weekend, we did it because taking shots by itself is hard and not fun so we did it for the taste. We used generic water enhancers that have no sugar or caffeine and because we were in a controlled environment, we poured out our borgs into glasses and paced ourselves that way. I think this way is much more efficient than a traditional borg.
When I go out I make a smaller version of a safer borg just in a tumbler cup. It makes it so much safer when going out and you can control your drinking when out easier too. Once it’s gone it’s gone
I think stuff like this is what we need more of, not the borg, but this type of video. The type of video meant to inform people of the dangers & risk of something, but also sympathize for those making the mistakes & possibly seeing the benefits of it. And, entertainment plus education is always good
Mat thanks for covering this topic from such an objective point of view! I am personally a huge fan of the borg and it’s a big craze at my college (JMU) rn. The main reason we do it is because 1) it’s cheap 2) it’s an easy way to keep all your drinks in one place for the day without having to carry around a whole fifth cops can call out from a mile away or a pack of drinks where half of them are stolen and 3) it’s a conversation starter (people name their borgs crazy things and then talk to others about it). All that being said you’re entirely right about all the facts and people should drink in moderation! I groaned when I saw this pop up in my feed but thank you for a great video as always!
I work in a college town and saw so many kids carrying these around on St. Patrick’s Day weekend! Thank you for helping me understand wtf I was looking at lol!
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When I was in college my friends and I made my borg with caffeine-free kool aid because a very nice nurse on campus had told us the dangers of caffeine with alcohol I’m very happy that we were told this before something bad happened
Also, Kool-Aid is a lot cheaper.
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Considering Kool-Aid has high fructose, corn syrup I think he probably just would’ve been better off using caffeine 😂 Also, what side effects?
Back in my day 4Lokos had caffeine, you could get them for $2 each, so for $4 you had 8 alcoholic drinks and 2 red bulls. College was so dangerous during that craze lol
@@kateapple1 it could cause an irregular heartbeat there was a case of death on an alcohol and caffeine mixing in a guy’s body smthn like that
As a college student who lives in an area with tons of fraternities, I’ve heard so many people talk about this. One of my friends said that if you didn’t make the Borg it will send you to the morgue, but if you bring your own you’re more likely to make it home.
It rymes how cool
It’s gotta rhyme, otherwise drunks won’t remember it
It’s gotta rhyme, otherwise drunks won’t remember it
send you to the morgue is fucked up lmfao 😭
That is good catchphrase
The points about avoiding spiked or drugged drinks are actually really solid, I hadn't even considered that. If you just put like, kool aid or sports drink in with maybe a smidge of alcohol if you felt like it, that'd actually be just fine.
yeah my first thought after he said that the big problems were the amount of alcohol and the caffeine content was "why not make a smaller version with a decaffeinated flavor instead?"
Yeah, maybe a baby could be safer while still getting the benefits of the regular Borg.
Matpat is great at keeping his viewers safe and entertained while telling dad jokes in the process
Just like a dad! A Dadpat!
@@Tiosedan hey brother
@Yasser you are going to die
@@Averagedogloverever Any luck finding a new job since they replaced us with those bacteria things?
@@Tiosedan na man it is kinda rough living like this I now get more hungry these days
I actually love how refreshingly honest your point on the safe side of personal drinks at parties can be. The stats of spiked drinks in and out of college are absolutely terrifying, and the amount of mostly women that I know of that have been spiked and assaulted angers me to my core.
Kids, if youre gonna borg, do it safe, either limit the alcohol level or remove the caffeine side of it before doing so.
Better yet, do both. Limit the alcohol and remove the caffeine completely. If you're going to make a jungle juice status borg, then don't drink it all in one setting. Sip it like wine or moonshine and don't just chug it like a jock
@@Dark_Reaper_86 I like your thinking!
100% WATER BORG
Yes, I'm in college rn and talking to one of my friends who is in a frat feels surreal. I can't comprehend why women would willingly go to a party that needs to advertise itself as "roofie-free" or "no drink spiking!"
@@victorvirgili4447 The BORG for gigachads
Thank you Matt from the bottom of my heart and soul for talking about how often people are getting their drinks spiked. More people need to be talking about how bad it's getting and how life altering it can be. Seriously thank you
I'm surprised he even touched the fact that men also get their drinks spiked. A lot of people believe that doesn't happen at all and that men are safe from it.
I was gonna say this too. It really is such a prevalent issue. I'm glad he brought it up
I actually really like how this turned out! The safety of carrying around your own drink and the bonus of not needing to drink the alcohol there to fit in, I like to think someone realized the benefits of normalizing the concept of the BORG and ran with it. Honestly though I think I'd be skipping on the caffeinated flavoring. There are other options.
I agree. But for the love of god, do not put any caffeine in it! Drink responsibly, it might just quite literally save your life.
If you just make it in a Liter bottle instead of a gallon (using 1/4 the ingredients) and use non-caffeinated flavoring, it adds up to a reasonable all-evening party cocktail for one person, and no need to monitor your intake drunk because you planned it advance when you.were sober
Plus I'm sure it's way easier to tote around!
lets be honest though college students aren't getting that precise with their drinks lol
Buddy of mine used to do that. He had one of those 64oz (half gallon, 1.9l) truck stop coffee mugs he'd fill with ice, dump in how much rum he wanted to drink that night, and top it with cola.
@@DonOblivious Rum and Coke XXXXXXL
We used to do something like that in the mid 2010s, get a cooler, fill it with some huge amount of water, 1.75L of Vodka, 750ml of Gin, and then a few packs of zero sugar/calorie lemonade powder. Basically a BORG without the private jugs.
I think the gallon size is to make sure you dont run out and can always say no to other peoples drink offers. You dont have to drink it all on the night. You could take it home & then bring it to the next party. It helps hide how little you've been drinking, particularly if you always start with one that is at most 3/4 full.
I have a friend who’s used one of his Borgs over the course of five weeks. It’s honestly not meant to be drank all in one night
People just need to be careful about the mix ratio and making sure they use a caffeine free flavor additive
While I can understand how this works for some people, for others it just increases the risk of ingesting too much alcohol. I personally am a very fast drinker (not just with alcohol) and if I have a drink, I'm going to drink. I need to limit either how easy it is to drink (beer bottles are easier to sip out of instead of 'accidentally' downing it all) or how often I get a drink. And I know for a fact that's not uncommon either.
Why would someone need a big gallon of alcohol to reject someone else's drink offer when they can also say no without one? Unless you mean a person carrying around a gallon makes some people feel more comfortable saying no.
@@PeterGriffin11 Drinking culture is weird, and people can be weirdly insistent you drink more, especially with drinking games or if you're younger and more easily convinced. Having a good excuse like already having your own drink is a good alternative if you're not good at saying no.
Can I just say thank you? I feel like you grabbing our attention saying how dangerous is the borg, then explaning that spike drinks are a huge deal is really important. I really appreciate it that you are always trying to make the world a better place! ( One diet coke at the time! )
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You raise some very good points about the dangers that are present with borgs. I think a lot of it can be nullified by reaching out and teaching people proper safety of alcohol. The common "Borg" at my university typically contains about half a bottle of vodka, and while that is still a lot, it is noticibly less than an entire bottle, as well as the frequency of people finishing an entire gallon is low, and usually only seems to happen at long parties, or with pregames that lead into parties. Due to educational programs offered by our health prevention and advocacy center, they've also encouraged people to not use caffeine within them. While incidents due still happen with people getting overly intoxicated, from anecdotal experience, the issue of assault, while still present has gone down. Alcohol in a borg is still alcohol, and we must educate people to drink and treat it as such.
Love the fact matpat is pointing out the safety part of it. I can’t trust any drink that wasn’t made by me or can be left open
No one can. Unless they hand me an unopened bottle or open it in front of me and I hear that seal break, or I know unquestionably that I can trust the person, I won't drink it.
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Reminds me of the rules I was taught when going to parties:
Only drink something from a sealed container. Once you get your cup, always hold it where you can see it (not down by your side or out with your head turned the other way).
Grip it from the top, not the side (unless you are actively taking a sip of course), and never ever walk away from it.
@@kandyappleviewvery smart. I was drugged at a small after party and assaulted. I knew it was a possibility but didn't think it would happen at my bff's apartment with ppl I knew and a couple neighbors of hers. Still don't know what was all done to me.
@Bunny Luver oh my gosh I'm so sorry that happened to you! That's just awful. 😔
Unis student here who also works in a bar:
I have had an entire bottle of vodka in one night before (with mixers, I'm not that stupid). Here are my drinking tips to stay safe
1- if you are at a party, never drink when you're alone. At least one person in your group HAS to stay sober. Make it fair by rotating
2- my personal recommendation is to only get drinks in bottles, like VK, WKD, Rekordilig, Budweiser etc. Don't get mixed drinks or drinks from taps (in my experience they are also cheaper)
3- if your drink is unattended for even a SECOND, that is no longer your drink. Abandon it or even better, dump it to prevent others from drinking a potentially spiked drink.
5- If five people enter the party, five people are leaving. If your friend is drunk, do not let them go to someone else's place for a hook up. Especially if that other person is sober.
6- if you don't see the drink being poured, do not drink it. If you feel uncomfortable with someone who bought you a drink, or you just don't want it, put it down discreetly or accidentally spill it. DO NOT do anything you are uncomfortable doing. Practice saying no. No does not stop predators sadly, but it can get someone else's attention
7- ALWAYS MAKE A SCENE if you feel unsafe. Make as much noise as you can, get all eyes on you if possible. It does not matter if you are embarrassing yourself. Your safety is more important.
8- (this one is just for convenience and can be more fun with the right people) drink at home with friends. Make your own foul cocktails in the safety of your own home. Worst case scenario, you throw up in your bedroom sink and have to spend an hour cleaning it the next morning.
Have fun and stay safe!!!
Sheesh. Would rather just stay away from it. Still, good tips.
Thank you!
Wish ppl followed this advice more. As a uni students, the amount of times I’ve had so called friends abandon me on nights out is insane. I’m not saying anyone should be forced into a babysitter role but it’s be nice if ppl had the decency to stick with the group they came with
@@thecomposerchanginggames5250 avoiding situations and problems just aren't always options so as you said, it's still very helpful because it is indeed informative. :)
doing rule 8 is also cheaper
I agree with the points MatPat laid out here. The safety from drugging and spiking is actually a really big positive of the borg that I wouldn't have even considered at first. That being said, alcohol abuse is really something I hate seeing being risked. My brother's been hospitalised and my dad's been addicted, it's scary stuff and borg just sounds like death in a jug
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Yeah me to i don't like it. Just try do it safe
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Well I’d also say something people don’t realize is you don’t have to drink the whole thing, including most people don’t put a full bottle of liquor into a borg. Like I’ve made one before, and we put like half a bottle of vodka, and a couple good squirts of flavoring, so not nearly as crazy and the normal borg. Honestly just good to me because it gives you a lot of water with your alcohol, which is a key in not having bad hangovers. But dif strokes for dif folks.
I was going to mention how bringing your own BORG could keep you from being pressured into drinking. I personally never want to drink alcohol (even though I want to go to bartending school for a bit when I'm older since chatting up patrons and mixing drinks definitely seems like something I can do), and bringing a BORG to a party that's actually just a bunch of fruit juices + possibly some soda/sparkling water would let people think I'm drinking and avoiding pressure to do so when I'm staying completely sober. As you mentioned it would provide safety in knowing no one added something to it as well (another advantage not drinking as a bartender could bring, being able to notice that someone slipped something into another person's drink even if they don't).
Matt's suggestion about the Borg Baby I'd pretty spot on. On my college campus I've seen people utilizing the smaller 1/2 gallon bottles for their Borgs instead of the traditional full gallon. Additionally I highly doubt many people utilize the full bottle of vodka for their Borgs, usually it's 1/4 a gallon vodka with 3/4 water. Additionally, I have never seen anyone use an ENTIRE bottle of Mio for their Borgs. That's wayyy too expensive for us college students to be wasting like that.
"That's waaaay too expensive for us college students..." :D I'm sorry but I can't help but laugh over the expense of a Mio bottle. We're in a sad state of affairs if a bottle of Mio is considered a luxury that's too expensive. :(
@@Jiminal_ Not sure they are saying the mio bottle is to expensive, but that the whole mio and vodka is.
@@Jiminal_ everything you spend more or less is on credit, so yeah you watch everything.
MiO? But it fits in your pockets!! It is concentrate though so a lot wouldn't be needed.
Regarding volume, yeah. A full gallon is a *lot*.
As a reference, outside of exigent circumstances, an adult man only needs to drink about a gallon of water _for a whole day._
_That_ is how much fluid is in a gallon. Drinking a whole gallon of anything at a party (unless said party lasts for a whole day or includes uncomfortably excessive amounts of sweating) is excessive by any measure.
Aaaaah I remember college days. The non drinkers and less experienced drinkers loved my colorful ‘drinks’. Pink lemonade with some fruit and herbs. Made it look like a cocktail but no alcohol. Ever since been making more ‘mock tail’ recipes. I saw borgs at college and that what started me making fake but fancy looking drinks.
I would worship you. Heck still would. Fucked up my liver being an idiot teen so now non-alcoholic drinks are pretty much it outside champagne twice a year.
You are GENIUS
Bro send that recipe I have to avoid the people
I was the 200 or 199 like on this and now it has 224 and then 225.
Good on you.
honestly just using a non-caffinated drink mix and a smaller container would fix this entirely. im not exactly a partygoer but i can see the good intent behind it to keep yourself safe
I agree, also I feel like he missed the point that people are also staying hydrated with all the water which is actually pretty responsible.
@@maxpetersen2729 yeah a lot of the hangover symptoms come from dehydration so having a mix like this with a ton of water is a p good choice
yeah, most borgs i’ve seen online had liquid iv or regular mio or just koolaid in them instead of the caffinated stuff
I legit cannot drink alcohol without a SHITLOAD of caffeine with it. Something is wrong with me.
My suggestion for making a borg that is much safer is to do 4 to 6 shots of liquor (thats all I need to get nice and drunk because Im a lightweight) or more depending on how much you can take, the rest water, and then as much non caffinated flavoring as you need to get it tasting good. This would be a solid borg that can last all day and also not have a dangerous amount of alcohol and also no caffeine. Nobody will know too!
This is better than what my college friends used to drink. It involved a few cans of red bull and blue Gatorade drink mix made with vodka and everclear instead of water. It was surprisingly drinkable considering you could probably run a car on it.
Oh yes,The home style drink of my mother,jet fuel!
Ngl that sounds like a good mix in terms of flavor.
Seriously thank you for talking about things like spiked drinks and the like. Not a lot of youtubers in the genra tend not to bring it up, let alone bring stats into things. As someone who had to be equipped to handle these situations from an age younger than I probably should have, whenever I go out to social settings and end up people watching, I see so many red flags, and have even caught (and stopped) situations happening. So many people are reckless with things like this and it's something I didn't expect to be brought up. Again, thank you so very much for talking about this.
tiktok incentivizes you *not* to think but to be reactionary and shove as much conscious thought into the unconscious.
It's amazing how much you see when people watching. Thanks for stepping in. A lot of people will see it but either be too far gone themselves to process it, or they don't want to "rock the boat" and keep silent.
@@miciarokiri5182 I used to have a group I'd get out with. We'd watch over each other, until we lost one of the members. I still go out and I don't drink and know what to do to keep myself safe, but so many people are so trusting. I have protected my friends with my life. That shouldn't end cause I don't know someone, but I've seen other people watch and do nothing. People need to protect others, I'd never not.
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LOL legit if this was a thing when I was 21 I would definitely make it at home without alcohol before going to my friends or a party. I hated being pressured to drink and this would have saved me from all that nonsense.
I never went to any of my dorm's parties 'cuz I hate not just the taste but also the smell of alcohol... Like I even avoided my roommates' house parties & just "conveniently" made plans with my friends to "go out" (read: meet at someone else & play either dnd or cards xD)
Ah some of the peple i know would spike that :( so youd still need to be careful even then- just. Yeah. I know
If you tell them you abstain from it for religious reasons, they will never question you again
Thank you for talking about the spiked drink stats. I’m afraid to go to bars or parties when I’m 21 out of the fear that my drink will be spiked and I will be assaulted. Even bartenders have done that some times!
I was surprised by the amount of vodka in the recipe
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if its a long party then its doable but that caffeine amount is the real insane part
@@simonji2940 lots of people will drink it over the course of an entire day
I was surprised at the waste of alcohol by watering it down so heavily
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That perspective of having a Borg for safety is really great, and not something I would have thought of. Because otherwise, it's essentially the simplified gen z version of hunch punch. Everyone had their own recipe, so you had no idea what you were actually drinking-just that it would give you the result you wanted 😂😂
It’s always cool to hear the names people had for this stuff. I always heard the term jungle juice.
@@nilus2k We had something called a V-Dub - Vodka and V energy drink, which was often mixed in with whatever else people had around for a shared punch.
This is my favorite food theory episode and I cant place why... its just everything the theory channels stand for: informative, has a twist, funny, is about a dangerous topic as far as yt goes. Good job!
I don't drink, but this sounds like it has the potential to be the best or worst idea depending on the individual making it. More water, less alcohol, no caffeine, add some flavor and/or hydration enhancers, then pace yourself, and you might have a recipe for a good time. I still wouldn't drink it, but I get it. With the right tweaks, I approve.
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I don't drink very much myself. And when I do it's at home. But if I do these Borg things odds are it would have zero alcohol in them. Like you said it has great potential for good, but also for bad as well depending on the individual 🤷♀.
I don't drink. And I sure hope this idea doesn't change because it is natural selection in a bottle.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo Natural selection in humans isn't a thing anymore. We took that out of the equation a long time ago. At best this would be social Darwinism, and even Darwin would disapprove of that concept. It's one thing if a bunch of people want to eat Tide Pods, that's pretty obvious, but the effects of mixing caffeine and alcohol aren't as readily obvious. Even smart people can do dumb things if they lack proper information.
The Borg is honestly more about harm reduction. If you think about it many of those old school punch bowls had 2-3 servings of alcohol per red solo cup (on the low end) and I have seen people drink 6 or seven solo cups by the end of the night. That's between 12-21 servings of alcohol so not too far off. This way they have a visual of how much alcohol they are actually consuming, they make it, it's labeled so it won't be mixed up, and it has the added protection of the cap to prevent contamination. All in all, it's a pretty ingenious way for people who's frontal lobes aren't totally developed to stay safer than before!
Yea. The borg is literally less dangerous and less alcohol than millenials were making/drinking.
The borg with a non-caffeinated flavoring is a safe choice.
i’ve also heard that most borgs are created with Liquid IV or other electrolyte packs, not caffeine, and it’s supposed to be a hangover free beverage choice. Because you’re staying hydrated with the water, and consuming the electrolytes you’re losing from the alcohol. Not sure how popular the caffeine ones are but i’ve only ever heard of the electrolyte hydration BORGS
Thank you for getting this information out again. It is easy to forget how absolutely dangerous caffeine mixed with alcohol is.
Everything is dangerous. Better to live 20 year less, but twice more colorful.
@@Crazmuss that’s 20 years less to be able to help others
@@Crazmuss I don’t think death over a slightly better buzz is the way to go but you do you
@@Crazmuss as someone who gets to live 20 years less because of an actual health condition. How about you live colourfully but longer?
@Zoo Pride 🐶💕 wtf 😭
Concerning the strength of the drink:
By the volumes listed in the video (rounded for simplicity), the ratio of water, booze, and mix is 50/20/30.
Meanwhile, at home I'm mixing my rum & Coke at a ratio of 0/40/60 (no water for me, I actually want to taste the rum, thanks).
Unless my math is super wrong, because my drink isn't watered down, that means by volume, BORG contains half as much alcohol as my rum & Coke.
So either this drink is basically safe (if consumed over the course of several hours) or I'm nearly dying every time I drink.
When drinking at home, I drink out of a Coke glass, which holds exactly 444ml (or one entire can of Guinness).
I tend to drink two of these, which equals about 355ml of rum total (approximately the volume of a soda can).
If I were to push it to four drinks, that's about 710ml, almost the whole bottle of rum, and more than a liter of Coke.
This would definitely have me throwing up and probably going to the hospital if consumed within a couple hours.
This brings me to the subject of high intensity drinking.
Maybe I missed it in the video where it's explicitly stated, but is anyone actually drinking a whole gallon of this stuff in 2 hours?
It seems more like the kind of thing you do to last you a whole night, which is exactly how I might use it at home for an 8-hour drunk-gaming session.
I suppose it all comes down to pacing yourself and knowing your limits, or as it's often phrased: "please enjoy responsibly".
Note: I recognize that BORG apparently uses vodka, and I drink rum.
However, both have an ABV of 40%, which is all that matters for our purposes.
i am SO happy that MatPat talked about the commonality of spiked drinks; too many people forgot how serious it is 😣
Same; even as a guy, I never drink when I'm out with friends. On the very rare occasion I have alcohol (usually just Christmas dinner having a Scotch on the rocks with Dad), it's at home with family when no-one has to drive.
thats the point of borg too. you bring your own and it cant be spiked because its always with you 😂
yeah :/
My advice to my friends is to never drink anything you don't own
@Ayman Yes, I do want to miss it, EGY Crafts, and you and all of your spam bots need to be terminated at once.
Those stats on spiked drinks are interesting. I think I drank a spiked drink that was intended for someone else when I was in university. I have very little recollection of much past the first drink and spent days throwing up and shivering after. The area I was living was rife with drugs and you could pretty much get anything if you knew someone or looked hard enough.
You were very likely the victim of being drugged. I had a friend in college who went out with his girlfriend to a bar and had to take her to the hospital after because one drink in and she couldn't even walk anymore. Another friend finished his girlfriends drink for her and he was drugged. It's crazy. Never let your drink out of your sight and always cover it when strangers are within arms reach. The slight of hand some spikers use is very swift.
Spiked with what? (and l don't mean this rhetorically, l'm scientifically curious about this) l can't imagine a single pill that could simultaneously be easy to dissolve in an alcohol/aqueous solution without a mortar-and-pestle, have no strange taste that can be masked by the drink and that manages to quickly incapacitate a full grown person in a small enough dose to not be noticed.
My hypothesis is that the drugged feeling may come from the combination of the depresant effect of the common willing consumption of over-the-counter anxiety medication intensified by the depresant effect of alcohol.
@@alejandroquesada ever heard of GHB? It's pretty tasteless, comes as a liquid and only needs small amounts to take someone down. You're response comes across like you either blame the victims of spiking or don't believe that it's happened based off of a very limited knowledge of pharmaceuticals.
I'd like to add that in the UK we don't have the over the counter anxiety medication that you're implying. For that you need a prescription written out by a doctor and I think I'd have noticed if I'd taken the time to be diagnosed with anxiety and prescribed a medication that I would have to go to a pharmacy to collect and then take orally.
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Actually l come from working in a hospital where 100% of the cases of "strange behaviour following the consumption of alcohol" comes from either not knowing one's limit to alcohol consumption or the interactions of said alcohol consumed with the medications that people take on a day-to-day basis, like benzos (lt's not victim-shaming if it says in the box that you shouldn't combine them with alcohol and you go to do just that). l'm sure that there are plenty of cases here and there of people taking advantage of others with the drug you mentioned or pridinol or scopolamine, but to imagine that there are *320,000 cases every year* of people spiking drinks to take advantage of them would be astounding, astonishing, flabbergasting, dumbfounding, stupefying and any other similar word in the thesaurus... we have to draw the conclusion that either that number is vastly exaggerated or that so many sexual-predators have infiltrated the college system that drinking alcohol at a college party should be equated to walking into a dark alley in a bad part of town wearing all of your parents' jewelry while in a loud phone call in your latest iPhone.
Days throwing up and shivering doesn't sound like you were drugged to be honest it sounds like a narly hangover. The drugs used to drug people are GHB or benzos like klonopin. Both of which do cause blackout but benzos don't cause hangovers and ghb wears off quickly meaning the hangover is hours not days. Alcohol on the other hand can do exactly what you talking about when consumed in heavy doses.
Being in the UK, and as a teen, we regularly brought entire bottles of vodka with us which were absolutely gone by the end of the night. Borg seems to be a reskin of whatever random stuff we threw together hahaha
This mate, is the most honest sentence I've ever read.
Oh to be 15 again, sitting on the swings at the park and passing around a bottle of frosty jacks and smoking lambert and butler cigarettes. I'm feeling strangely nostalgic yet cringing at the same time.
@@mlpfan-id1np oh no my friend group were literally the vodka and cheap Cola/lemonade 2L bottles in a field at 3am crew 😂 we had an amazing spot that was called 'Minks Farm' and it overlooked Huddersfield and Halifax on either side, absolutely perfect place for drunken shenanigans
its the most rational way to get drunk as possible as fast as possible.
i was already doing it for nearly a decade without the jug just down a absolute vodka and down a bunch of water after.
honestly it made my stomach hurt way less in the morning then just downing a bunch of classic flagons of beer.
Ya we call it riot juice in Boston
This is potentially a smart idea. And since you can adjust the BORG's recipe, you could potentially make it completely non-alcoholic.
Heck you could make it similar to a juice blend.
Alcohol free and caffeine free seems like a good way to go tbh. I know people who don’t have either, so drinking one without would be good. Past this, there’s the option for sugar free which is becoming more popular these days.
Or you can just buy a gallon of water and call it your "BORG" LOL
Just Don’t Drink It All At Once
@@wigley7610 To be fair.... there are a lot of things that shouldn't be drunk all at once. Like energy drinks, soda and coffees. That's just a bathroom break waiting to happen.
Water too, but mostly because you can give yourself water poisoning by drinking too much and not using the restroom enough.
i was a lil worried when u sold the channel but when u explained and showed us nothing would change i felt better, plz never stop what u do i would like to see grandpa pat lol you guys have helped me threw a lot and if anybody in the theorist family sees this thank you to
sold the channel?
what now? when did he say this
@Yasser yall, he sold the channel to a new manager. They support what he's doing and not much will change..nvm alot will! We will get better content for alot of stuff
Things WILL change. Just later. When people will calm down, and slowly. Untill you will not remember how it was before..
@@HidekiShinichi The channels are doing very well, I think any manager would be sacred dead to make any big changes
The base mixture is pretty scary as stated in the video but the customization means that those dangers can be decreased or even negated, I mean one could even have a borg full of soda and juice with no alcohol if they really wanted to. All in all I think if the drink is made responsibly the benefits definitely make the Borg a worth while idea.
Protein BORG loading . . .
@@alli3t YOU, you understand what I'm saying
That's what i was thinking, matpat stated how dangerous borg is from the amount of alcohol and caffein there is in borg but if you just use water with mixed juice it pretty much becomes 2 liters of non-carbonated soda and the problems are eleminated without anyone knowing in the party.
My older brother actually would take a non alcoholic borg to parties so he wouldn’t have to worry about the things you said in the second half of the video. In reality it would just be kook-aid most of the time
Why I am here kiddo
I was just that the best part of a Borg is when you don't feel like drinking you can just make a jug of koolaid and no one will know the difference, so they won't pester you about drinking or try to make you a drink or anything and you can stay safe and sober without having to worry
@@Angelwitch99 if you don't drink you are a c@nt
@Mer Luzo if someone took a sip they would know but the whole point is that it's a personal drink. It's not meant share and it wouldn't look any different from other borgs at the party
My psych teacher spent an entire class period talking about the affects and differences on how how things like alcohol, caffeine, and certain drugs affect you and what happens when you mix them. She was one of my favorite teachers, conditioned us to taste lemons when we hear payphone by maroon 5 😂 don't worry, we supplied the lemons and all of us consented to forever associate lemons with a song
I agree that this is great for regulating your consumption and guarding against spiking, but it only works within a house party setting. No bar or club is going to allow you to bring your own massive jug of alcohol
Well it is a college thing people bring them to trailer parties or frat parties because it’s easy to bring from place to place and it’s cheap
that's kinda the point. these are college students, mostly underage. they're not going to bars or lubs, they're going to frat and sorority parties.
They don't even like hip-flasks, it turns out.
In all honesty as someone who doesn’t drink but wishes more mocktails were available when I’m with friends I would love to just carry my own mocktails with them in the form of Borg.
So just Kool aid?
@@perpetualconfusion5885 pretty much, but If kool aid made pina colada as a flavor
Just mix one in a bottle and bring it with you. You don't need a gallon.
But the concept of BORG never made it over to my city in Europe. We were drinking flavoured vodka liqueurs (20% ABV) roughly a bottle per person, per evening. So if you had a party, a bottle of 20% is the lower limit of how much alcohol you should assume will be drunk.
Nowadays I stick to beer, it's much more managable and you can't get drunk that fast. Also drinking that much beer so you land in the hospital, is diffiicult. At some point your stomach is full and you need to slow down.
I love non alcoholic pina coladas, used to drink them with my mom all the time at the pool as a kid.
When you consider that one BORG would be probably shared among multiple people it actually begins to make a great deal of sense.
One handle is 17 shots, divided among 3 people is around 5.6 shots per person.
This is still not perfectly safe, (no alcohol is safe) but assuming that you drink that over the course of around two hours and that is a reasonable amount of alcohol. You will not throw up or be more at risk than anyone else (just maybe find a caffeine-free flavoring method)
Even if you don’t share it, the BORG is more a product of day drinking culture. So even a person drinking one alone would usually happen over the course of 6+ hours on a casual drinking day like tailgating or barbecuing
in germany we call 6 shots: "Vorglühen"
Mat pat literally showed an option without caffeine near the start of the episode, but just decided to talk about the caffeinated version for some reason
Polish version of it is called "kociołek panoramixa" (Panoramix's cauldron in literal translation, apparently it gives you an unhuman powers, just like in the french comedy movie)
Recipe includes:
500ml of vodka
4 cans of beer
750ml of sparkling wine
1l of energy drink
200ml of concentrated raspberry/cherry juice
Mix it all together and it's done (can even be heated, but then it loses the sparkling effects)
The point is to make it as cheap as possible, which usually makes it poisonous af.
I'll never forget the headaches that happened day after consuming this potion in higher doses.😅
I reckon that this "borg" stuff is nothing when compared to Polish enchanted version, but it doesn't suprise me tbh😂
I am a freshman in college. Party’s are most certainly not my thing so I had no idea what a borg was until I walked into my room while my roommate was gathering the ingredients to make one. I was just like why do you have mio and vodka.
I’d ask to taste the vodka
Tell your roommate to touch grass and stop watching tiktok 😂
@@Rendoku25not a TikTok thing… it’s been a thing for many years now
But more new people know what it is because of tiktok. Less people would know and without tiktok it would fade and just be an old memory. Probably.
@@Rendoku25 Definitely not just a tik tok thing, it’s been happening for years just talked about for some reason now
you'll never be done covering stupid tik tok trends MatPat
TikTok is the home of stupid trends, MatPat will only be free when TikTok dies
@@andpeggy3987 i wonder how many people tiktok killed
@@andpeggy3987 and tidepod
i’m embarrassed by my brethren
@@andpeggy3987 fr
I'm actually a really big fan of the baby borg idea. You definitely should not have a full one in your hands while under the influence of alcohol, much less caffeine if you're crazy and want to do that, however having a set amount for you to drink in advance and easily be able to see where you are along that line is great. If someone is wild enough to want to do caffeine and alcohol, having a set amount of each that's specifically measured out is exactly what you need. Ironically, the baby borg can be used as a tool of moderation while the full borg just seems like the complete opposite. It would be really interesting to see how this could evolve.
The "full borg" in those clips Mat showed looks less like a "drinking game" and more like a cry for help from an alcohol addict.
Spiked drinks are a MASSIVE problem. Not just on college campuses, but in things like dates… where often then the one who spiked the others drink does… something I’m not going to describe here.
from what I have heard on the topic, one of the LARGEST reasons why people like it so much is due to the high water content which greatly reduces hangover symptoms
Well, non-alcoholic liquids dilute alcoholic ones. Half a gallon of water and one bottle of vodka (I'm basing this on a typical bottle sold in my country, which is at somewhere around 40% alc.) results in a liquid with about the same percentage as wine, maybe a bit more.
But because you prepare it yourself, you can control the alcoholic content of it.
It’s common at my school for a group of friends to share a borg, so it’s not just one person tackling it. Most people also use non-caffeinated flavoring.
And its good if the group also makes it together cause then they all know what is in it and how much is in there
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I will say that the spiked drink scene is definitely being handled the best it can be I was once escorted out of a party just for moving someones drink to get to my drink that was behind it alot of people are taking it seriously and I completely understood and yes i pled my case and was told it was just a precaution and I am 100% for this at any function but i will definitely be asking people to move their drinks instead of me just doing it from now on
It sounds like they were making a big deal out of nothing. Unless they saw you put something in a drink, they shouldn't be attacking you for something they have no concrete evidence of happening.
If they were really concerned, they could have dumped the drink, and searched you for the drugs. If you happened to have a different drug on you at the time, that would probably look bad, and be hard to explain.
Seems like it’s perfectly fine in terms of drinks, as long as there’s no caffeine put in it.
I’m glad that people are getting educated about being safe while doing this stuff. If someone wants to get drunk, they’re GONNA get drunk, so it’s better if they’re safe about it.
I think in smaller measured quantities, the borg is a great low cost idea at college party settings. Being drugged at parties is a huge issue so I hope some college students use the borg wisely and not to get themselves so drunk they get hospitalized. Maybe rename the smaller borg to something else
I agree a Borg is a great idea for a solo drink in college parties, but without the caffeine, smaller amount of vodka and also, smaller bottles
Its college youre giving them too much credit
The borgette
The Baby Borg, a half gallon 😂
The thing I don’t get is why so many people drink alcohol, there are other options so why does everyone sound like they’re saying that alcohol is a required drink once you turn old enough.
just graduated college last year and was not a huge party person in the first place but i LIVED by the "don't drink a drink you didn't see poured" rule
i "don't drink" (alcohol), period(.)
10:58 I don't even drink but when i went to a school party i was literally FORCED to drink alcoholic beverages, i denied multiple times but it felt horrible not having a single person accepting my choice and leaving me alone
Honestly if i went to a party, i'd make what i dub "forg" (fake-out-rage-gallon) which is literally just koolaid/any other drink in a gallon bottle. And i'd just be in the corner laughing at idiot's that get schwasted
Overall, I think it's a good thing so long as you're responsible with what you put into it. A borg with water, non-caffeinated flavoring (maybe actual Kool aid), and a set amount of alcohol that is well within your own limits might actually keep you safer imo.
Honestly I’d remove the alcohol entierly if you really want to be safe.
@@MissCaraMint Harm reduction is more responsible and more realistic than just expecting everyone to stop drinking or doing drugs. your comment makes people feel judged joseph comment helps people reduce harm
@@mahogany2748 I no way did I say people had to stop drinking. It is simply hard to gauge how much you are actually consuming when using this large of a receptacle. This is why with this particular drink it is dangerous alone to have a lot of alcohol in it. However, on the flip side no one would know if you went to a party sans alcohol either. it would be a sneaky way to get away from the very real peer pressure that exists within drinking culture. Honestly you should stop reading motivations into strangers's comments that aren't there.
@@MissCaraMint I’m not reading into anything he left a comment about how to safely use a Borg by adding water to dilute it and also only adding an amount of alcohol that is not dangerous to drink and you came in and said just remove alcohol completely which is not a helpful solution to people who we’re going to drink a dangerous amount of alcohol
@@MissCaraMint It's not hard to gauge how much alcohol you're consuming because *you mix the drink.* You decide exactly how much alcohol is in it.
Fascinating how many of those Four Loko stories were parents suing the manufacturer of an alcoholic beverage for the consequences of their children drinking way underage.
Also interesting that they seem shocked that something labelled as 12%ABV is causing people to become drunk
If you read into it more (I do believe there is a video on the channel) a lot of that was because they were not being sold as alcoholic drinks where kids were regularly picking them up such as gas stations and convenience stores. Most of the stores either didn't know to card, or just didn't.
Right!
@@hallaloth3112that’s not their fault tho, Im assuming the ingredient thing SHOWS it has alcohol since no one sued them over that so you can’t rlly sue them for stupid decisions made from you being stupid and drunk
@@error8119 I mean, I'm not going to disagree with that. . .but we're also again, talking about alcohol being sold as an energy drink to underaged minors. Is it the companies fault? Not directly perhaps, but we all know labels tend to be scummy and no one reads ingredient labels. Also, there's just the fact that alchole and caffine just shouldn't be mixed and can have severe health risks. . .again in the hands of minors of which, from what I understand. . .the marketing was kinda being targeted to.
I love that conclusion. Very cool to know people can use this to protect themselves.
I love your additional comments near the end of your vid on the pros of the borg. Appreciate what you do for society
(non-borg drinker / non-tiktok user)
Finding the silver-lining in all things bad is my favorite thing about the Theory channels. Pairing water intoxication with Caffeine overdose and excess amount of liquor BUT at least you know what's in it and can keep you relatively safe during the parts of the night that you can recollect.
Lol you aren't getting water intoxication with just a half gallon of water spread over a couple hours while you're drinking alcohol. You also aren't gonna overdose on caffeine, a typical person needs to ingest like 3000 mg before that happens. You just shouldn't generally mix caffeine with alcohol.
Matt honestly does offer the best solution here - just make the bottle smaller. Minimize the risks by reducing the amount of dangerous chemicals being imbibed, and you keep all of the safety features the borg already has!
It’s also a more reasonable serving size and a lot easier to carry around like gallons of a drink are heavy, I wouldn’t want to carry that all around in a party
Also use the flavorings without caffeine. All the flavor, none of the trips to the emergency room!
Then it’s just home made four loko
I know it's not glamorous but I really appreciate Matt delivering what is essentially a PSA in a semi-interesting way. Information about these risks needs to be put somewhere where people will listen.
6:06 why are kids drinking a highly alcoholic drink? That’s not even legal outside the US.
6:15 hope they added a warning (or ingredients list or something) because if not they are probably in trouble.
10:37 don’t leave your drink. Keep it in sight.
I was honestly shocked to hear the recipe you said, because when I had seen a TikTok about it a few months ago the recipe they gave was only a cup of alcohol. And a whole bottle contains 3.17 cups so that's an insane upscale
Yeah?! I was so shocked, I didn’t think it was a whole FIFTH of alcohol
see I was surprised the other way. I've always heard 50-50 or more is vodka
Because TikTok has safety rules. Saying the whole bottle would get it taken down.
I expected Matt to say the amount of water in a Borg is great for making you less intoxicated, but customization and safety are cool as well.
does he mention the huge amount of water to dilute it?
It is better assuming if you are not swigging the entire jug
@@captinelf2745 nope
Drinking nearly a gallon of water isn't exactly safe either, but it pales in comparison to drinking that much alcohol/caffeine.
Honestly pretty nice to be able to mix up all your drinks for the night while still completely sober. Kinda puts a lid on the "just one more" behavior that leads to toilet prayer.
except when that one drink is the equivalent to 17 so youre much more likely to overdrink than if you kept ordering while drunk...
@@rainestar82 You don't have to add that much.
@@rainestar82 Except you can adjust the alcohol content...
@@rainestar82 How about add in no alcohol at all? Or very little?
@@Camazotz-kz9wr Where is the fun in that
what I've been getting from a few of these videos is ban tiktok from your devices if you wanna not be tempted and live
My older brother made a borg pretty recently. I had to bring him water the next morning cause he was so sick. I don’t think I’ve ever had to do that before
Baby borgs are actually super common!! Lots of people don’t want to drink a whole gallon so a half gallon is pretty useful too :)
I love this concept, even being a non-drinker myself. It increases drink safety with how you're the only one opening and closing the bottle, and the only one drinking from it. I also love the fact you can control what you put in, so if you don't like the taste of alchohol you don't have to put it in your borg
Good point, it's really an interesting concept 🤔
my star trek hyperfixation forced me to watch this
10/10 totally worth it
This episode really opened my eyes. I have never heard of a Borg because I’m not in college but every time I drink I drink tequila and monster because someone told me drinking monster would get me drunker and I always fall asleep after drinking a a little, so it helps me stay awake, but I did not know the effect it had on my body until just now and that’s crazy so thank you you
7:47 I would not expect them to cancel out. I've experience what happens if you try to cancel out spicy with minty: it creates the taste of hellfire.
Hence I'd expect mixing caffiene and booze to create a culinary eldritch abomination
Why would you think that spice and mint cancel each other out though?
@@Camazotz-kz9wr It made sense in my head
Yo this comment thread is the funniest🤣
@@Ebutuoy0808 yea
Hey are you the guy on Tumblr who thought capsaicin and menthol would cancel out and then found out what hellfire tasted like?
To be fair I would have liked that back in the day when i was in uni. The idea of getting a fairly good mix of alcohol and water at the same time means I wouldn't have to remember to drink a glass of water after every drink. That really helps with hangovers.
I wouldn't have drunk an entire bottle at one party, because its a bottle of vodka. I'd also skip the caffeine additives. I found out long ago that those mix badly.
The customizability appeals to me. Not more "oh if i bring good liquor to this party everyone is gonna drink it, so i may as well bring the same craptastick drink everyone else got because they are broke".
On this subject, I think it would be awesome if you could cover some of the methods that have been developed for people to identify whether a drink has been spiked (there are some quick tests, but there's also a nail polish that reacts to certain drugs, etc.) or what other products there are that help people to stay safe. :)
I like the idea behind the borg; the control over your drink. I feel like once people understand just how many drinks they're putting in, they'll be able to make a smarter decision.
Nobody calls it liquid intelligence
@@sugarmix7778 what?
@@Crygear the side effects of drinking alcohol definitely do not include making smarter decisions, so i feel like their point is that if you're preparing a massive jug of alcohol to take to a party, you likely aren't making many smart decisions.
@@crayfishfuture couldn't have said it better myself
I used to very frequently just drink a bottle of 750ml vodka straight at parties, so the watering it down immediately made this safer in my opinion 🤷♀️
It's like no one remembers the 2000-2010.
Ohhh man i miss those days
ok
FOR REAL im just like... ew watered down vodka. 😂😂 (dont be me imma bad child lol)
I think the safest option would be using your brain and not drink almost a liter of vodka in one night
This was a very good video! I'd not heard of the BORG but as you said, it can be utilized for more good than bad and I can't completely hate it. Love how much emphasize you put on safety, not just with the BORG but also with spiking drinks and food. Like. It's so important. Thank you.
I had a friend in college who would chug gallons of milk. The college made it really cheap and hearty and that friend went ham on them. He never got drunk (duh) and his stomach handled it just fine (somehow). Great at parties.
I like the idea that if you don't want to drink alcohol and instead can put juice and water etc in these bottles is a good idea. But also it's a very sad idea to think that's what you have to do to save yourself from getting you're drink spiked.
I think we could do with changing people's mindset that you CAN have fun without too much , or no alcohol when going out to parties etc it's been imbedded in our heads for generations and I think things need to change for everyones safety.
The disturbing part is that escalation is gonna happen. People who spike drinks are still gonna want to drug people, and they'll find other ways of doing it.
Agreed
Love the addressing of the whole subject; it’s good that you’re acknowledging how bad the drinking culture is in younger people, and you’re just keeping them informed.
Also, a note from me(someone who’s native to the Western MA area), it’s actually pronounced Am-merst not Am-herst lol
I thought the same thing, I'm from near Northampton and his pronunciation was funny
@@Raptorknight17 Lol, I've only ever heard it from people outside of Western Mass😅
As an avid borg enthusiasts. Borgs is fantastic, i make mine without caffeine, but the ability for safety from getting drugged and the ability to control your alc content is awesome
they’re pretty awesome, you also don’t have to keep searching for drinks and potentially spend way too much money since you’re carrying it out with you
Don't lie to yourself. If you're making yourself a borg or drinking anywhere close to that amount of alcohol, you're not actually concerned about safety.
Yeah in my friend groups we make them without caffeine and we also always have people that don’t finish so there’s no pressure to drink the entire thing
@@SamuraiGuy The thing is you’re not drinking that much though. It’s pretty obvious you’ve never used one but you get to control how much is in it (amount of alcohol if any at all), what goes into it (caffeine, no caffeine, mio, whatever), and it won’t get drugged because you’re carrying it with you and make it on your own. Don’t say stupid things that you can’t even speak to, it’s rude and ignorant.
@@SamuraiGuy You didn't read their comment did you? Where they mention how they control their alcohol content. Or are you just projecting your own issues and assuming they use 90% vodka in their drink?
I saw one of these when I was in college 10 years ago. I knew from the smell of booze that it was a BAD idea.
And for the spiked drink issues, yeah, I remember going to a sanctioned party by the RA’s and tasting the Hawaiian punch when it first was laid out and then after a refill, and I knew it had been spiked with something nasty. The staff had to dump the whole jug, but by then several women and men were passed out. I’m glad I only dipped the tip of my tongue in it before noping out of there.
Y'know I was also going to write this off as people making bad decisions, but seeing the actual safety provided by making your own drinks I definitely get it. I've had a jungle juice or two that was definitely too strong, and probably not super safe.
What’s a jungle juice? Never heard of that one before lol
@@MythicMoonBlade jungle juice is what happens when you pour a bunch of drinks together.
Honestly thank you for talking about this. I'm in college and I may not be a party person but it's super super important to talk about it and support things like this for the sake of self preservation.
8:34 You missed a golden opportunity to label the gallon Eight Loko.
😂😂😂😂
Ikr
I love how when another video about a tiktok challenge is made, you just have to point out the previous videos you made. It makes my day every time.
that kind of drink is very popular with university students here in Mexico, we call it "aguas locas" or crazy waters, just instead of vodka we use a liquor called tonayán that costs around 3 dollars per liter.
Looking for this comment, Viva México!
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Borgs are making history..
just had one last night, insane how I don't feel hungover at all LOL
I only saw it once, and I liked the idea so much that I made one. Mainly for the set amount of alcohol that you don't exceed, and the hydration/electrolyte aspect that basically kills your hangover, which is interesting if you're anywhere past your mid 20s.
You don't have to go overborg with caffeine, I mean one regular red bull to a gallon won't hurt at all
Exactly. The fact that water and electrolytes are in the drink itself means you can drink a ton and not have much of a hangover. The people who are getting hospitalized are the people that put less water and more alcohol with way more caffeine
Even if you don't have a lot of caffeine with it, I would look into the specific numbers before ever mixing alcohol with caffeine. There have been cases of deaths after people drank alcohol and energy drinks like redbull. It makes the heart beat irregularly.
lol overborg
i'll be honest that's probably the safest way to drink a redbull lmao
I usually find a borg to last me 2-3 nights if i'm drinking solo. Makes it great for sharing and parties. also there are non caffeine water flavor enhancers.
I kept wondering why you were putting so much emphasis on the amount of alcohol or caffeine in the jug, because it literally didn't even occur to me that someone would be making this with the intention to drink the entire thing on their own.
I'm going to be honest I don't think I've ever finished one of these. usually I only get 2/3 of the way through. and that's typical. they're designed to not be finished
I literally remember my 1 christian friend did the same. just 2-3 years ago, he would attend parties with a bottle of mixed juices, completely indistinguishable from the other people with juice vodka mixes, and while we dont quite go to borg levels with it, we do prefer to have an easy way to mix vodka into something that actually tastes good.
My roommates and I made these just this past weekend, we did it because taking shots by itself is hard and not fun so we did it for the taste. We used generic water enhancers that have no sugar or caffeine and because we were in a controlled environment, we poured out our borgs into glasses and paced ourselves that way. I think this way is much more efficient than a traditional borg.
When I go out I make a smaller version of a safer borg just in a tumbler cup. It makes it so much safer when going out and you can control your drinking when out easier too. Once it’s gone it’s gone
I found it interesting that a lot of the posters suing Four Loko are suing because of the death of a very underage kid
I think stuff like this is what we need more of, not the borg, but this type of video. The type of video meant to inform people of the dangers & risk of something, but also sympathize for those making the mistakes & possibly seeing the benefits of it. And, entertainment plus education is always good
Mat thanks for covering this topic from such an objective point of view! I am personally a huge fan of the borg and it’s a big craze at my college (JMU) rn. The main reason we do it is because 1) it’s cheap 2) it’s an easy way to keep all your drinks in one place for the day without having to carry around a whole fifth cops can call out from a mile away or a pack of drinks where half of them are stolen and 3) it’s a conversation starter (people name their borgs crazy things and then talk to others about it). All that being said you’re entirely right about all the facts and people should drink in moderation! I groaned when I saw this pop up in my feed but thank you for a great video as always!
"I love my alcohol to remind me of elementary school snack time."
Couldn't have said it better myself 😂😂
The energy and enthusiasm in this video were contagious, it got me pumped up!
I work in a college town and saw so many kids carrying these around on St. Patrick’s Day weekend! Thank you for helping me understand wtf I was looking at lol!
Its just the gatorade bottles of the 2000s with less alcohol and more water.
I don't think its safe to drink it. Just make if safe tho
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this is such a good take! love how honest and transparent this video was :)
Not really considering that not all borg even contain caffeine