Side Mounted Drum Triggers: How To Fix 5 Common Issues
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- Getting your drum triggers to respond right can be pretty tough, but it doesn't have to be. If you have a Roland drum trigger, or maybe one from DDrum, Simmons, Yamaha, or Trigger Perfect, this video will show you have to fix 5 really common trigger problems easily.
Problem 1: I hit the drum once, and I get 2-5 drum hits back:
Answer: this is what’s called false triggering. You have a bunch of things you can do to fix this though, it’s not a tough problem on mesh heads. Increase Mask Time and retrigger cancel a tad to fix it. Increase the settings as little as possible though. If all else fails, increase the threshold.
Problem 2: My drum isn’t picking up my ghost notes!
Answer: Go to threshold, and lower the setting slowly until your soft hits are detected. Check your trigger, if it’s not making firm enough contact with the head, then the trigger is the problem.
Problem 3: I have to hit REALLY HARD to get a good response!
Answer: Increase the sensitivity setting (sometimes called gain in different modules). Next go to trigger curve and try some different response curves. If you want an acoustic like response, set it to linear. If you want ultra responsiveness try Log 1/2 or S Curve. If you want to responsiveness to be toned down a bit because you’re a hard hitter set the trigger type to Exponential 1/2/3
Problem 4: Part of the drumhead is responding “hot” and other parts of the drumhead are quieter.
Answer: Move your drum trigger along the rim until the part of the drum you hit most of the time responds right.
Problem 5: The Rim sound is too quiet
Answer: Increase the rim gain setting until the sound level is right
NOTE: if you have a trigger where you have to level it and decide how much pressure it has against the head, experimenting with this will have drastic effects on what settings you use. Not enough pressure will force you to crank the sensitivity in the module, too much pressure will force you to lower sensitivity in the module and so forth.
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Excellent video on dialing in and fine tuning side mount drum triggers. I just recently converted my starclassic maple into a silent digital kit using the ead10 module and Yamaha triggers. the one ply heads were a nightmare especially on the kick so i got the real feel drum-tec heads you recommended and everything is precise and accurate now. thanks!
I like how well presented and thought out your videos are...great channel man
your channel is so unique and extremely useful, many thanks for these great vids
Great video! , solved all my problems with triggering my acoustic set. really informative and useful. keep it up tnx so much you actually saved me a lot of time :)
great advice as usual, Justin!
New lighting looks nice 👌
As always, great video
I've been trying to get into drum triggers. While the triggers are fairly cheap the drum modules are not. You wouldn't have one that you'd be willing to part with since you get all those great test models for reviews. It doesn't have to be something super fancey just didn't think it would hurt to ask since I saw you tossing one around in one video and dropping it a few times. It'll be years before I could afford one. Love the channel and find it very informative. Thanks. Keep up the good work.
You can convert a cheap acoustic drum kit by adding mesh heads and triggers to suit a cheap module. However there are entire kits available for less that £300 !!
Great explanation!
thanks so much. i nearly sent back my pearl mimic pro module. am using it with RT 30 triggers and i cant get it to work the way i want it. if i touch the actual trigger itself i can hear it very loud but when i play the mash heads then is too quiet.
Best video I have seen. My issue is that I can't get the SPD/SX to see that I have a dual trigger
Hi Justin - thank you for the fantastic insights, suggestions and guidance re: trigger settings. Have you ever tried mounting triggers on the bottom / resonant head? I'm still looking at purchasing triggers and module - that's why I haven't tried it myself.
Hey Justin, great video! I'm having trouble with the play back of my ghost notes and buzz strokes. The trigger isn't picking up all of my strokes.
Naturally i have adjusted the sensitivity, however because i am using a roland td-4 module i can't adjust the threshold. My question is, do i need a more advanced drum module to achieve a coherent and accurate reaction from my triggers? I am using yamaha triggers, with acoustic drum skins not mesh heads. Thanks
Nice video! Exactly what I needed! Got my triggers 2h ago!
Perfect!
Hey Justin...love your videos
All helpful advises as usual :-)
Thanks :)
This has help thank you
Hey Justin magnatrack just put out some awesome cymbal triggers and I can't wait for the drumtec head review Hopi g you'll say the go edrum heads are just as good lol !!
Thank for your information, you are so helpful.
Glad to help!
Just got a new sub this was verry helpfull
Thank you Justin for this great video.
However we have big problem. The drumer from my band bought DDrum black satin kit with internal trigers. We use it with roland td30 module.
Everything works well on kik, snare and other toms except on first 8” tom.
We tried to tune up and down uper head but still the signal of triger sensitivity goes only to three lights. Other trigers goes all up to “red” and works fine with every hit. Cable is New and I tried to switch cables. Still the same.
What should we do? Trigger sensitivity is 8 and same on all toms and snare. I tried to bring it up but than evan sound from monitor speaker activate the triger.
Question no2: The trigers mix rim and heads. For example, I play floor tom on head and module plays tones of rim or head depends of how hard we hit it. No rules which he choose. Cables are mono.
Can I male module to play only one head on toms? Snare is OK.
Hey Justin tnx for all your videos I have been following for a long time , always a big help. what can I do if my snare drum rim is too low and it actually pushes my drum trigger (roland rtHR) UP - because of the bent of the rim, so it has very little contact with the mash head. I tried to change the snare drum, this has better results but still a problem. this makes very hard hits to be eliminated, as the skin doest touch the trigger
Maybe you’ve made a video that has addressed this but I’m curios how you blend a Mic’d acoustic snare and the trigger in a live setting. I would love to see a video on that.
Can you use Gauger Alloy Suspension RIMS with electronic drums. Seem to be getting rim trigger sounds from the mesh head near the sides. Any solutions.
I'm having a problem with "missed hits". I've adjusted all these parameters up & down, tried different combinations, etc. I've got Roland 30-HR triggers on single ply REMO mesh heads on Yamaha acoustic shells.
I feel like it has something to do with the physical position of the triggers. I'll get it all dialed and after a day or two, my harder hits are silent. Especially when doing multiple hits, like 3 or for medium hits followed by a loud hit.
I've noticed if I move the trigger around the rim, it helps. And the rim height there is slightly different - so is it a height factor? I'll adjust all the lugs to match the rim height, but then a day or two later it's missing hits again.
Please help.
Do you have any idea if the magnatrack triggers work as they say they do? Especialy in combination with mute cymbal it will look awesome on stage.. but does it work?
Hey Justin, did you know that currently you're my favourite channel?
Also I bought some drumtec real feel mesh heads for my TD25KV. Waiting for your review on the pro series!
Thanks man! It really means alot. The review is coming pretty soon :)
65 Drums hell yea! Thankw for the answer! Just keep doing what you do, before 3 months I knew nothing about edrums even that I was playing one for 4 years! Now I know a lot!
PLEASE HELP! I have a problem with my triggers but it's not listed in this video. What happens is when I hit the head I hear the drum sound and also this terrible distortion buzzy sound at same time. I hate it, it's so frustrating and I dont know what to do. I'm using remo silent strokes and ddrum redshot trigger and I tried a Simmons trigger too
Hey, I'm on a really tight budget and I'm considering buying the Ddrum red shot trigger then plan on using it on my acoustic drum set. I have my Roland Spd-sx. Are Ddrum triggers compatible with Roland's SPD-SX?
Hi, I just bought a jobeky 2 zone trigger however my td17kv module is not detecting the rim at all - i went into settings and it wasn't recognising it at all. Has this happened to you and do you know how to fix it? Thanks.
Hey Justin, What do you think about the DST-1 MAGNACORE? I hesitate if that could be a good alternative to all those, maybe better. Can you make a review on then or even compare to one of those? By the way I really enjoy watch your content that helps me a lot with getting right decisions about my equipment so thanks for all that!
brillant video!
was a bit annoyed at the sensitivity of my new Yamaha DTX multi 12 but setting the 'type' of play to fingers really helped out to play the pads with my hands.
note you can override the global setting for a particular kit if you want to.
Thanks man! I agree, a few setting changes can DRASTICALLY change how much you like a drumpad.
Thanks for your channel bro. I have an urgent question.
I bought a rolland RT 30 K and it is not having a good contact with my bass drum head. I think the hoop is very thick. What solution can I have? Can I put something between the bass drum and the trigger in that milimetric gap?
Now if only there was info like this for the DTX502 module.
Just got redshot triggers and the ddrum ddti. Having a hard time picking up ghost notes even when pressing down on the trigger and the threshold is at the lowest possible. Anyone have any thoughts? It also seems to jump from moderately loud to super loud with nothing in between. Kind of frustrated with this so far. I have Evans Db One mesh heads. I have the gain up all the way and set the trigger type to PP.2. That one seems to pick up the most ghost notes and is also louder in general.
Edit: It seems like there are only 6-10 velocities. Is this something with the interface, maybe my daw?
Hello, I wonder if you can help me. When I play my PDX - 8 snare very hard the sound drops considerably ie the Volume? The other pdx - 8 and pdx - 6 pads don't do this?
The kit is a Roland TD - 11KV.
Many tks.
Regards Ian.
Thank you so much!
Could you maybe consider doing another guide on the jobeky side triggers?
really been having a hard time gettin it right
Really most of my advice on how make them work right is in this video :)
Can having a super tight bass drum skin make it double trigger more?
I was going thru Hell with my acoustic drum triggers I got ( my drummer said it was cause it was not a good Roland drum module ) I did not believe him 100% on that one. I was getting all them Ghost trigger hits you where talking about and tried everything I could. But then I bought the Evens db one heads and that did help a lot, but still could not get it to sound like a real drum set. Then I noticed that they where barely touching the drum heads. The thing is, the ddrum CETKIT Chrome Elite Drum Trigger Pack does not have any adjustment to put more presure on the heads. They don't adjust from what I can see, and I did put them on pretty tight & hard just in case. So what I ended up doing is adding them little felt pads for like chairs, with the sticky side to the drum trigger rubber pad. Now it works perfect and no ghost notes and plays like a dream or a real drum set per say. I'm thinking they need to rebuild all triggers that can be have a adjustment to put down pressure or less pressure on the drum head. I know the red ddrum or the chrome elite drum trigger packs do not have this built into them. It's just clamp on and go, but what a pain I was going thru, this may not be the right fix, but it sure works great for my kit. Is there a down side I don't know.
Hey! Whay do you think about home made drum triggers?
I set up two triggers and when I play them simultaneously, only the sound of one comes out. Can u help me?
rt 30 works with sampled pad 4?
hey Justin! thanks for the video. Quick question, I am using the Octapad as my Drum Module, and using the RT30s for triggers. My hybrid kit sounds really, really good, the majority of the time! it's when I get excited and into it that when I hit harder the signal doesn't pick up. and there is no sound - I am using mesh heads. so it makes out for a very awkward hard hit, and no sound. If I hit it soft, and normal, it produces a reliable sound. But it is when I hit hard that there is no sound. I am using Exponential curves as settings (and I've tried all of them). But I don't know what the solution is to reliable sound when hitting hard - besides don't hit so hard, because that's just not the type of player I am. do you have any suggestions? I have basically the opposite problem of threshold, it seems as if, if it's too hard of a hit, the computer doesn't pick it up. Thanks man!
Hi, I'm having the same problem, it still sounds when IA hit very hard but it's a different sound AND it's way softer. Dd you ever find out what causes this. So irritating. Only my PDX 8 snare does this. (TD11KV)
Hi, I am using the RT 30 and while I am getting the triggered snare sound with single hits, but when I try to roll it is not triggering properly. Also, should I have the snare wires turned on with the real snare or does it not matter?
Definitely snare wires off, they're only going to make unwanted noise.
Roll sounds like a mixture of threshold/sensitivity and the delay time between hits. It needs to retrigger fast enough for your stick bounces to register quickly, and also needs to be reacting sensitively enough to trigger on your soft rolls from the stick.
Hello please take this moment to recognize Guitar Zan. He is a one-legged drummer that likes to hit the skins. Let us all celebrate this phenom.
I love my rt30's.
Hey Justin, nice tips on adjustments. For larger toms like floor tom 16", do you recommend side mount or go with center mount. Are you currently using r-drum triggers or some combination of different triggers. Thankx
center for the large drums like a 16" floor tom
After a few days I do enjoy my rt30 triggers with my td 17 module. I will say that selecting the rt 30 pad in the module didn’t work well. It barely picked up hits without a lot of adjustment. I selected pdx 100 instead for all the triggers and it worked instantly with no adjustments. Which I found to be odd
The edrum channel Demonic Sweaters was getting head and rim from a SINGLE zone Redshot trigger but only on the pdx100 setting in his td 27 module. He was completely mystified😅
Appreciate the detail as I’m going to try almost the exact same thing in a few days when RT-30HR triggers arrive. End goal is testing with the TS-17 brain, but installing at church with SPD-SX (haven’t purchased yet). Great vid, thanks to OP! 😃
I’m sure that it’s been asked before but in general, are internal drum triggers better than external mounted or clamp-on triggers?
Internal ones tend to be better
I'm having an issue with the RT30 HR that I just cannot figure out. I'm using silentstroke on an acoustic snare and going through the spdsx. All my settings are working great. Picking up great snare rolls and ghosts but every now and then it sounds like it's double triggering on full velocity hits. Like a weird mushed up flam sound.
I've ruled out the spdsx being the problem cos it never happens on those pads. Don't know what to do but it sounds so bad when it happens. Not subtle at all
I had better triggering with multi ply mesh heads. Less bouncy.
Do you know if the Alesis Strike Pro module will work with On Trigger or some other on board pedal trigger?
Yeah it should, as long as you get the settings right.
Another thing I've noticed with my DIY snare and RT30 trigger is that if I use a 3 ply head no flam sound. But a one ply like the Silent Stroke and it vibrates too much causing a flamming sound. No settings helped, so I just put foam in the drum against the head.. Works perfect now.
I would go with a 2ply mesh if you can.
Was your flam sound all mushed up sounding and did it only occur every now and then? (Say 1 in 30 shots)
I have foam taped on top (silentstroke) maybe if I also foam up from inside the drum I'll eliminate all flamming?
At 4:46 I can see a loose drumhead screw . On the right i front of the trigger module !!
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Sup man
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At some point we need some type of Lazer / Light triggered triggers. The Piezo isn't perfect.
Hey Justin
Sup Jacob
I like how he dropped Alesis' name first as a replacement module solution lol. Those Strike Pro modules are so bad.
You repeat yourself sometimes I don't know why you do that🙄