As I said before, I only live an hour and a half from y'all. I've been following your channel for a couple months now. It's interesting to see you tour the same boats I look at! You're enthusiasm is contagious. I wish nothing but the best for y'all and your journey!
that is a beautiful little ship and obviously was well loved. it is so nice to see a boat that was sailed rather than just wasting away in a shipyard somewhere. she could be sailed away the day after you'd buy her without any apparent major projects that would open up a can of worms that would keep you in the yard for months or years. good luck with whatever you decide.
Thank you for watching and for the comment! Yes we love this one and she’s priced really nicely, and we could go have fun today. AND she’s 10 minutes from our house already and we could keep the slip! Next week we go see the Tayana 37!
Totally!! I know people have pinned us as a “sailing channel” but- if this isn’t fun, we ain’t doin it!!! Hahahaha Love watching your adventure unfold too!!! Hopefully gonna see you girls soon.
The Michealson is within my skill level. That's why I was interested. I didn't want to spend the time. That's why we decided against her even though her layout and size were perfect. I'm ready to sail, Siren wants to do a few more things before we take off. Stay tuned. We have a Tayana 37 coming next week. Spoiler, she's gorgeous.
Yeah, a part of me is disappointed we didn’t get that Mikelson. I could literally do a whole video on why I’d buy a Mikelson over a Formosa, and I love Formosas. That boat could have been our ticket to getting the right boat sooner, and the cheapest way we might ever find, BUT, even though I’m the buyer, I need Hal to be on board with whatever we buy because we’re a team in this and I need his mechanical skills. lol
And I agree with Hal-boat prices are now starting become “realistic”. Especially here in the PC/PCB area! Now if all the marinas would get back to 100%🤔.
Aren’t they cool!? I love prisms on deck. One more boat to see and then we choose. PS- We are one week ahead on videos so heads up- we chose! Can’t tell which one though!
It is fun watching over your shoulder as you look for your next boat. I like this boat esthetically - she's a looker, for sure. The interior is surprisingly spacious for a 36' double ender (double enders always lose interior space because the last three feet of the boat is "pointy" - which doesn't gain you any interior space - so this Norstar is basically a 33' design with a waterline of just 25'). I don't like the teak decks - surely you will have to replace them at some point in the near future! The Perkins 4-107 sounds mighty tired - probably time for a new long block. The standing/running rigging needs replacing. No mention of the sail's condition, but most likely they are tired too. You could put a lot of money into this boat and still end up with what is basically a 33' pocket cruiser. (Where will you put the dinghy?), but you both seem pretty excited about her and she makes a lot more sense than that Mickelson!
Thank you for responding to my email, You were very helpful and encouraging. If things progress I will keep you updated. Good luck on the foster, Beautiful animal, afraid I am not 'in the market' at the moment but - who knows. I can not wait to see what boat you end up with.
Of course! And there’s a reason I’m going to sand it down and varnish it! Hahaha To each his own. I don’t mind brightwork. Instant reward and worth it everytime.
Ten thousand screws in that teak deck. Ten-thousand….so take the challenge and see if an issue, plan on pulling/repairing/replacing. Keep looking. You guys are right, market is coming down.
Yeah, no doubt. We know the repercussions of buying a boat with an old teak deck, but we aren’t totally opposed to it IF it hasn’t already caused major damage, and also if the price reflects the work involved. So if we get something like this needing a deck renewal, it has to be at a price that allows for that.
Ahh that’s lovely though. Pearsons are really lovely boats! I love the lines on the old ones. But ask yourself- do you love maintenance and brightwork?? Hahaha if not, then you’re already on the right boat!
It's kind of funny watching these videos after I know that you bought a boat, but I just love seeing old boats. The bad thing, or maybe the good thing is I'll never own one because my wife doesn't like the water. Keep the good stuff coming guys.
I taught surf lessons and was a surf coach for more than a decade and “taught” a lot of people to fall in love with the ocean. What I mean is- Give them the right experience- for them- and they just may love it. Never know!
I agree with hubby, get away from people lol. Sorry but true. Definitely not the gulfstar and the norstar $12,000 max. Note: old perkins very hard to get parts for. The heat exchanger assy is $4,000. Be careful. Good luck u two
Good morning guys, well, appreciating what I have seen, I see that the first North Star boat is a beauty, it has an encapsulated running keel, which provides a lot of stability in waves, there is meticulous work to do on the main deck, superstructure and hull. both living and dead work, it has 70% wood and 30 fiber, it is NOT a boat for more than 2 people, it must be 38 or 39 feet. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND A RARITY THAT IS NOT MADE ANYMORE. MY RATING IS NO REPAIRS 4⭐. 30k is a fair price. P.S. That screw-top hole you saw is for placing flares there. the old but handsome perkins engine. Nowadays you can reduce the navigation instruments to a regurgitated 11" tablet full of essential nautical apps, a radar, AIS, starlink and navigation safety. DO YOU KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS TO ANCHOR IN MAKEMO ATOLL in the Tuamoutu Archipelago Polynesia French...? 💯💫
I agree with everything you’re saying here!! I would not buy anything but an encapsulated keel, and I don’t mind the brightwork at all. I love my wood! 🪵
I worked for Nor"star and we finished the first hull for this boat in 1974 . I never saw a complete finished boat. Sailboat Data says last one built was 1978 and 7 built. It is not a 1991 boat. Nor'star sold out their Flicka 20 molds to Pacific Seacraft. before 1980.. IDK any other info about this boat.
Some one may have "Nor'star" confused with NorthStar...not the same. It's a hand laid hull no chop gun was used in this very thick hull. 9 layers of mat and roving...
Hey Siren, she may be too far away from you guys but if you're considering chartering I know of a 60ft schooner built by a very well respected British shipyard, really strong boats...she is currently on the hard in the Carribbean and at a pretty good price. Been laid up for a good year or so, so will be a project, but the owner has now passed away. I've not seen the boat in maybe 2 years but she was a lovely vessel.. Happy to send you the details if you're interested
Hey! Ahhhh man. What is it?? We’d rather not take on a project in the Caribbean right now because we need our jobs here in order to take on such a project. I’m a yacht broker and Hal is a fishing guide coming into his summer season. We started with a higher budget and initially were looking worldwide, but now we have to kinda stay within the southeast I think.
@@TheSirensLog yeah I get it. Id have taken her on as a second boat but I'm in Europe so she is too far away for me and we're way to busy building our Blue Zero Project schooner to spend time traveling. Just passing the info incase it was of interest. One of her sisters is here... darkhorse-schooner.blogspot.com/p/technical.html?m=1 Good luck guys with whatever you do
You know when you like a boat, it is a big little boat tho, I do like large boats but costs go up with that but werth it, goodluck, its fun looking at boats🎉
We did too! We couldn’t get it to start, but it sounded like it wasn’t getting fuel and we didn’t press the issue. We all felt like it was something simple we may have been overlooking, and the owner had ran the boat less than a month ago with no issues, and even if it didn’t run or had serious issues, at the price we could get it at, we knew we could afford a new engine if we had to, but wouldn’t expect that to be the case.
That’s a great looking body for the price, it looks like fiberglass skin over wood coachroof with wood side sand probably decks are fiberglass over wood. Is the hull fiberglass? The painted handrails need a lot less Maintance that varnish !!! (If you paint over varnish you can go back to varnish later). It’s got a lot of gear too! That gulfstar all fiberglass looks great too. Boat #3 Morgan looks like a lot of boat for money too! At $7k too? You could spend $10-20k on any boat better to start with a cheap one! Tayana 37 could be nice You have some great options too! We have 4 cats so we are stuck for moment! Cheers Warren
Yeah the Norstar is fiberglass! Great boat. All of these boats, for the price, are reasonable options. Of course, we didn’t do a deep look into the other two. Keep watching for next week’s video!
Beautiful Boat. Other than the Engine it all looks like some cosmetic issues which is to be expected. New Paint job and some wood work would make her look really nice. If Hal is good with the condition/maintenance of the Engine than this one looks like a real nice option. The Morgan looks rough, nice price, but probably needs over $25K in repairs to make a live aboard boat.
Yep, We never went back to either of the other two boats we looked at on the video, but we do love the Norstar, and it comes in at a price that we can make her really amazing, and still have money to fix the VW’s, maybe buy the property in Puerto Rico, etc. It’s not a boat we’d keep forever, though. It’s a bit small for us, long term. Hal is a fantastic mechanic and wasn’t concerned about this engine at all. This is a really solid option. We have one more boat that we want to see and I think we will choose between the two! Stay tuned!
Those port windows are awesome. The two light prisms on the bow could be an issue if a problem occurs but are cool as well, could they be replaced with anything similar. Replace the wenches in my opinion, and the standing rigging will be replaced. I really like the living quarters. The Perkins can be rebuilt to new condition by a machine shop if needed, I am sure you noted the engine attachments, it looked like a new alternator, does this engine cool with sea water intake or a keel pipe? What do the diesel tanks look like?
Thanks for watching! I wouldn’t replace the prisms. Those things are usually so thick, I’ve never seen or heard of one breaking, and it would take someone slamming an anchor on them to break them, I’d imagine. That old Perkins runs but lots of oil- Hal is a really savvy mechanic so he was feeling comfortable dealing with that. Worst case, you replace the whole thing, which is totally doable at the price. Overall, a great little boat!! Be sure to subscribe though, because we show the Tayana 37 next week and we’re choosing between these two boats.
You found the boat, ask for lowest high price. Make it yours. Some work, engine check/maintenance. Paint, revarnish, scuff up. Windlass needs a refurbish, and new rigg. I could see you refit a solar arch, and bimini.
Totally!!! One more boat to see, just to be sure. Tayana 37 next week. It’s the best one I’ve seen too because I like that the pilot berth is a separate cabin instead of open, which allows for guests. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
@@TheSirensLogkinda fell in love with this boat. But all right, better to have an option. If the deal isn´t going thru. the gulf star shot in the video seemed to have more work needed. But this northstar is doable *Budget on a string works.* Its lil bit thight in some spaces. btw, ask for a seatrial, if the bid is accepted.
Oh totally. We always advise people to have a sea trial and survey and we take that advice ourselves, if nothing more than to confirm what we’re already seeing and to find the plethora of tiny things around the boat that really need to be done. We’re super excited!
Myself I think maybe you should make a move on the Northstar if you guys do all the inspection and haul out and of course appraisal. If all that looks good then it seems to me what I have learned about what you guys are willing to do by your answering my comments. Then I would say go for it, you can do weekends and some trips on that boat from what it looked like in this video. And enjoy it some while you getting her back in top notch shape. So I am going to be waiting for you next video, like I said before jump you know if this looks like the boat that y’all would be happy with. I am excited guys y’all maybe cruising this spring. At least for some weekends and short trips ! Wow ! Best of luck to y’all ! I am excited !!!
@@TheSirensLog if the next episode is about you finally taking the jump on buying a boat I will be watching and excited for you. I know you guys been wanting this a long time so it will be good to see it happen.
Hi be sure to check out sailboat data and FANTASIA 35 which is same boat with center cotpit. SA/disp is very low so slow boat and Weatherhelm issues on early boats But when solved a good boat . Find out more I guess and take for a sail!!! Could still be a very good livable boat but slow.
We don’t mind slow, and I love traditional boats. I wouldn’t have a newer production boat, probably ever, unless it was a late 80’s Hunter or something and that’s only because my mom, dad and grandma literally built them here in Florida. Plenty of advantages and disadvantages to both sides anyway. Overall, I’d have the old boat. And the Tayana 37 is a good sailing model!
@@TheSirensLog yup I’m into old boat too if condition is right , you only sail 10% of time any way so comfort and livability are very important! 🤞🤞🤞you get one of these
High neighbor, Panama City also. This boat was shown last week on BoatFools TH-cam channel. It took 2nd place of their overall rankings of 10 best boat buys in Florida under $40k. Hope you’re still happy with the Tayana, both are pretty boats.
Oh cool! I’ll find it. I’m curious to see. Yes we are happy with the Tayana but man… it’s a boat, so the usual… forking over may more money than we’d like to admit before even starting the major projects. We’ve put over $10k into the boat (paid $30k for her) in just a few weeks, and once she’s home we have to do the deck, rigging and chain plates. We will have a lot into her by then.
Think I might have made an offer on the 38’ Shannon Ketch in Brunswick Georgia. Ad On Facebook marketplace for a month and reduced to $68k so maybe $58k. I took a sailboat from Dunedin, Florida to Jacksonville, Florida and was able to cross over, you can rig your tender out on the boom and fill with water to heel the boat quite a bit. I just fit at 48’ mast back in 1984 without heeling, Maybe a tiny bit to spare.
If l lived in the place you live ln the USA l would take your dog in a heartbeat but as I'm in the UK this is not possible he looks a terrific dog good luck with the rehomeing of him just subscribed great video
Hi people's, okee dokee, my only problem is Perkins, she's on her last legs, please take that into consideration when making offer. And because she's timber, she'll be very heavy. So a few tubs of gumption, some brushes and alot of elbow grease etc etc and goodluck. 👍😁please don't leave the dog in the car
Hey hey, Yeah, Hal feels alright about that Perkins, and we know we could get it st a price that we could replace the engine if needed. I prefer a heavy boat, and honestly, I’ve spent very little time sailing lighter production boats so I’m used to that. We do want to look at the Tayana 37 across the state that needs a lot of work but we can probably get her for a good deal. Gotta see it. Stay tuned! Oh! Also- northern hemisphere- it’s winter here. It’s a heck of a lot colder in that truck than it is in our house that he lives in.
The North Star is beautiful. Not a big boat but more than capable of crossing Oceans. A boat you would be proud to own, The Morgan ..... No. We don't know about the Tayana?? If its half decent it would be hard to go past. I suspect it may well be yours.
Yeah, we don’t *need* a blue water boat right now because we plan to upgrade if we go this small, however, I’m the type of person that wants a tool. I want an encapsulated keel no matter what, and I want a boat that can cross oceans comfortably if I decide to, even if I don’t currently plan to travel beyond the Caribbean in this one. As you probably know (but for anyone else scanning the comments) the Tayana is a well-known classic Perry model that is also a double ender, all of which were modeled after the old Colin Archer designs. I can somewhat attest to the feel of those boats- I worked on and sailed a 1925 Colin Archer and they have a good strong feel about them. The Tayana comes with issues and has the original 1976 teak deck- so there’s no way around it- that deck leaks and that deck is done and needs to come up. My question is- how much damage has it caused and how quickly do I *need* to rehab. The rigging is old and should be replaced before any serious sailing is done and the chainplates have leaked and caused rot. A lot of the things of that boat don’t work and it’ll be a question of whether or now we can make things work again- radar, auto pilot, water maker, hot water heater, electric windlass, etc etc etc…. So the boat has good bones but needs a refit. We don’t know how cheap we can get the boat for so that we can do that work but we’re going to show it in next weeks video! If you’re not subscribed, feel free to join us! If you love these boats, you can always share the videos! Thanks!
This Nor'star 32 may have 36 feet of sparred length, but she is a Colin Archer-type 32' overall design, much like the ubiquitous Westsail 32. There were 100 times more Westsail 32s built than these Nor'stars, many finished as kits. I used to own Hull No. 32 (1971), the first one with a doghouse after the 31 Kendalls built with the flush decks. My boat had specifications similar to the Nor'sea 32 that you're looking at. She was safe and sea kindly, for sure, but she wouldn't point worth a damn, and the weather helm made steering exhausting. The relative lack of ballast in the keel vs. the weight of the rest of the boat -- as on this Nor'sea -- had us burying the rail whenever we went to weather in a blow. Think: major stream rushing down the side deck. Speaking of side decks, I pulled up all the teak and rebuilt the deck core. There were hundreds of screws that needed removing and screw holes that needed filling. It was a hell of a project but it turned out well. I suppose you've already put in an offer either on this one or the Tayana 37, but I'm going to say that since the Nor'star was built on Puget Sound, I'll bet the construction is of a higher quality than the Tayana built in Taipei. It seems as though the original design called for a stepped-down cabin top forward of the mast. The one that you are looking at has a flush deck there. That will give you some welcome real estate forward while handing lines or sun-bathing, but Hal is going to be swearing all the time from hitting his head down below. Get him a helmet. You'll like the dinghy davits over the stern while in calm waters, but the dinghy will be safer on the foredeck during a passage offshore. This beamy boat has plenty of deck space, nice high bulwarks, and lifeline netting to give little children a safe area to move about. She's also capacious down below and her appointments are oh, so gorgeous! And, look at all the storage capacity. Those berths both port and starboard are where you'll want to sleep while underway. This boat will take you both to Bora Bora in comfort. Well, I've said enough for now. Happy buying!
Hey, Thanks for watching and for the comment! Yep, I agree with everything you’re saying and carefully considered that. That’s one of the first points I’d made to Hal, was that she was a sound, US build, and relatively new compared to what we typically look at, being a 1991. We totally understand what we’re getting into with teak decks, and we’d tried to avoid them, but it is what it is. I can actually make use of them for photo packages for companies (something I’ve made a small living on for decades) while they’re there, which will likely pay to have them redone. That’s one advantage to an eye-catching boat for us, is that my content creation business will continue to make us some money so we can work on the boat. We don’t depend on TH-cam for that. It’s a weird way to justify a teak deck, I know, but it’s real. 🤣 Hal obviously has the head room that he wants in the Tayana 37s. I couldn’t find a Westsail to even look at with him but I’m familiar enough with them anyway- but would have been nice to show Hal. When my ex sank the boat we lived on on the hook years ago (I was away doing a delivery and the anchor line snapped from rubbing in the 3’ river chop and she blew aground and he had to get off the boat), he replaced it with a westsail and they’re truly fantastic boats. I did get a little time on that boat. In the end, I’m a connoisseur of Taiwanese vessels. That’s where my heart has always been- though I have a love for many boats of many styles from many places. Of course, I have to use logic when making a purchase, as well as heart. Haha. When the budget dropped just enough that we decided to just go as cheap as we could for a temporary boat, and try to get bang for buck, I immediately found every Tayana 37 on the market in Florida. Hahah It’s such a great model for its size and personally I think it’s Bobs greatest achievement. While I haven’t spent time sailing a Tayana 37, I have spent time on the original Colin Archers. By original I mean, I worked on a 1925 wooden CA, the RS 40, Frithjof Weise, built in Norway. It was part of the rescue fleet there, as they were designed to be. Sailed that one from Florida up the eastern seaboard to Gloucester Mass and worked on her in England- an extraordinary vessel. Once in England, we spent weeks, the owner and myself, re-wiring her for Europe, doing woodwork, wire wheeling and beautifying every piece of metal on the boat… I love the feel of wooden boats (for obvious reasons to anyone whose ever spent time at sea on one) but- not in Florida. I’ll admit we never found great wind any of the time I was on that boat, but just the outline and weight alone gives the two boats a similar feel. How do you feel the Tayana 37 differs from the Westsail or even the Colin Archers in terms of sailing in heavy wind?
I choose Gulfstar 41 Center Cockpit over Kendal 32. Kendal was with the trunk cabin and was one of (I think) 2 boats which Kendal built after been purchased by Westsail, and they built her for Westsail as a test boat. Found relevant information ""W32 #37 Misty was the first of the four Westsail 32's built as production boats. W#32 and W#33 were built as prototypes by Kendall for Westsail, and the sales were from orders that Kendall had for complete boats with a trunk cabin, instead of kits with flush decks."" Gulfstar is much roomier, has very difficult to manage prop-walk, but tracks and points under the sail in a spectacular fashion! Just needed opening blisters on her belly, filling them with some glass and West Systems epoxy, and 2 coats of Interlux Project 2000E.
I see that you're not going after the Tayana 37 willy nilly, but that you have experience with the original Colin Archer design and perceive the development of that idea here in this boat. Good. The T37 certainly is a gorgeous boat and I suspect she'll have the roominess that you'll need for many years to come. I see four Tayana 37s for sale in Florida on Yachtworld; I can only assume that you are interested in the one in Ft. Pierce. Correct me if I'm wrong. If she is ready to go offshore, then you can sail her around Key West and up to your home on the panhandle, but that will be no small undertaking, especially if she's not seaworthy. Otherwise, you can pull the stick and truck the boat over land, but that will entail a different sort of hassle and expense. It looks as though this particular boat has wooden spars, as did my Westsail 32 when I bought her, so definitely check for termites and rot once you lay the mast down. You can rewire the mast and refinish it easily while it's horizontal. As to your question, I would expect the T37 to sail better than any WS32 in heavy air. She has all the weight you'll need for comfort, a longer waterline for speed, a full keel with a decent ballast-to-replacement ratio and a finer entry than the WS32 for higher pointing. You'll also like the self-tacking staysail when single-handed in a blow. Given a choice between only rhe Nor'stsr 32 and the Tayana 37, I would buy the Tayana 37 in a New York minute, despite what I recently have said in favor of the Nor'star. Nevertheless, I'm simply looking at pictures while you are seeing and touching the actual thing. I'm sure you and Hal will make the right choice between the two. I can't wait to see next week's video! @@TheSirensLog
@@shisaisama We never got down to Fort Pierce to see that one but it was of interest! We looked at one of the two in Daytona Beach. It’s the one with teak decks (I know I know) but …I can’t spill too many beans here in the comment section but…. It’s all ok. That’s all I can say!!! Hahaha It’s going to be ok. You should be on our Patreon!!!
Chartering can mean many different things. When we say charter, we mean private day sails and sunset cruises. 6pak stuff. Keep it simple and keep overhead low.
He says that, but when we were looking at the 50’ range, we wanted to do overnight charters. There’s great money in that, and I have professional training running those types of charters, and years of experience in it, so it would have been delightful to do that on my own vessel. Of course, going smaller, we’d just do day sails.
Luckily I enjoy doing brightwork! And it comes with beautiful reward. It is a little small for us, but its priced low enough we could put some work into it, make it even more beautiful and functional, and sell in a couple years to upgrade, while still allowing us to continue work on our VWs and potentially buy property in Puerto Rico, which has been a long term goal (just like the boat) for well over a decade. One more boat to see and then we make a decision!
You’re totally right, but the budget did drop so I think we have to meet in the middle a little bit, at least for a couple of years. This is definitely smaller than I want, but we could get it cheap enough that I’d take it, make it gorgeous and outfit it, and sell it for more than I paid in a few years once we turn it into a fine cruiser and add to the boat. BUT please subscribe- We want to see that Tayana 37 and we show that next week. That has a V berth and a pilot berth that is enclosed into its own cabin- so technically two cabins. So as far as size is concerned, it ticks a lot of boxes!! We are going to buy one of these two. Stay tuned!! Thanks for watching and commenting!
If you choose to go small first I saw a 1997 hunter 310 which looked ver decent. Bit of a party boat incl dance-pole. Decent price. But is under your brokeridge so dunno. A nothing to do boat, immediately sale away. Just getting sailing would be 50% adventure? I am sure you know the boat
@@TheSirensLog we felt the owner was a tad neglectful. Rod good guy. We showed up late November after all the rain. There was leaks everywhere “from the teak deck”. There were a number of questions we had for the owner and he had misguided answers for most. One big one being the engine. I have a lot of faith in these Perkins. When they are maintained. We were the only people to ask so many questions in like 5 months. I feel the person before the owner now was a good owner giving her everything she needed. We felt he treated that boat like a Honda civic. Needed too much tlc for our liking
You mentioned wanting to have kids in the near future but aren't willing to take Bentley on the boat? Im sure Bentley would love to go with you guys on any boat adventure.
I don’t completely understand the question. Like why are we looking for a home for him? Because he’s a foster and we can’t keep him. We also have a cat and he is aggressive to cats. We took him in to help a friend whose parents died, and he was theirs. But we’ve been looking for a home for him- a GOOD home- for nearly 5 months with no luck, and we have a following here and can reach more people so of course we would utilize it to help find Bentley a good home. We can’t sail with him and most marinas won’t allow him.
As much as I like looking at the boats, I'm really ready for you to finally make a decision. I think that you are beginning to suffer from analysis paralysis -- you have looked at so many boats that you just letting all of the options confuse the decision making process. Remember ... no decision is permanent ... you can always sell the boat down the road and move on to a bigger one if you need to. Good luck!!!
No offense, but our channel is currently featuring us shopping for the right boat, and if someone isn’t into that, I can’t really help that. Kinda like, I wouldn’t watch fishing videos of people bass fishing if I didn’t like bass fishing and preferred deep sea fishing. I wouldn’t expect the guy catching bass to get a different boat and go catch tuna. Our channel never called itself a sailing channel. We are what we are and strangers on TH-cam aren’t going to affect our decision on major monetary decisions. I’m not going to tell you where to buy a house either so…. Just saying.
Boats are also very expensive. Dockage, insurance, the price of maintenance and repairs… you don’t just “pick a boat” and sell it if you don’t like it especially in an economy where boats aren’t selling. It’s very important that we make a decision that we like and are comfortable with.
That is not what i said ... I was merely pointing out that if you out grow the boat (as you pointed out in the video about children) you could always upgrade to a larger boat. @@TheSirensLog
But I can, for the most part, gauge that based on what we can see. 1. The size. It’s only 36’. This is still on the smaller end for cruisers. She boasts only one berth. 2. The teak deck. It’s a 1991 and the teak deck is that old, which means that it’s nearing the end of its life and will need to be redone in the next few years, even though it looks fantastic and doesn’t *appear* to be leaking badly or causing major damage, but I didn’t bring a moisture meter with me. 3. The market is crashing. Boat sales have been stupid slow this last year, boats are sitting longer, and dockage and insurance are going up. When an owner lives out of town and is paying $1000-1500/month just to have their boat sit up for sale, they start dropping the price to let it go faster. All of this on top of having an older engine, dated electronics and such…. There just aren’t a ton of expensive assets on the boat driving up the price, which is fine! It makes it a great boat for someone to get into and add to the boat how they want. We prefer that. Of course, I always recommend people have a survey done, and I always recommend a haul out to check the bottom, but I have a good feeling this is a good, solid boat!
I had that “feeling” when looking at it, but the current owner believes it to be a 1991 so we went with it. However, we did get a comment from someone who actually built those NorStars and he also said it was much older.
If they pull that covid crap again, you mite be stuck out at sea some where. I'd check where there wasn't any restrictions. Better have a way to desalinate sea water and a whole lot of fishing gear.
Totally- whatever boat we choose, we will have a watermaker and be as self sufficient as we can be. Thanks for watching and commenting! Happy to have you around. You subscribed?
We only did liability insurance to be in marinas and it was very simple and extremely cheap. We will see about upgrading later, and as a broker I will tell you most people have trouble insuring boats like that but it does happen! I live in Panama City and we have a local company called Daffin Insurance that searches across numerous other insurance companies to find coverage and they usually do a good job of finding someone. I’ve been with State Farm for so many years, I imagine I wouldn’t have trouble just using them when I upgrade.
Thanks! Yeah I’ve been considering other products like that, and there are areas I may would do tung oil. Luckily, I enjoy working on teak, and the reward is 🤩. Most people hate it, and I know that in time, I may get sick of it too, but in my opinion teak is a gorgeous asset. We did see the Tayana! That will be next weeks video. It’s gorgeous too. Stay tuned!! We chose one!
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@@TheSirensLog I don't know what year she is. Mine is 1975, second generation (what later will be MKII). But they were built in Florida and designed with the Caribbean in mind. They got a bad rep perpetuated by people who have no idea what they are talking about. From my 2 years of owning her I can say that I didn't like dealing with vertical blisters which is a sign of rushed laminate. But otherwise I love her to bits!
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Oh I agree with you! The gulf stars are fantastic boats, and I love that they’re made in Florida. The CSY’s are another Florida build we made sure to look at as many as we could find. I love them boat and both are solid boats. We actually forgot to set up to look at this one because we were so focused on seeing that Tayana and just fell in love.
The listing broker was present. That is how it is done. You have to look at everything to know what you want to offer. We should do a video on how the boat buying process goes. Alot of people don't seem to understand how it all works.
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As I said before, I only live an hour and a half from y'all. I've been following your channel for a couple months now. It's interesting to see you tour the same boats I look at!
You're enthusiasm is contagious. I wish nothing but the best for y'all and your journey!
Thank you so so much!!!! We appreciate the positivity in the comment section! Stay tuned! That Tayana 37 is GORGEOUS
That boat looks like its a working functioning reasonable boat. Roomy and cozy to.
Totally is!! Stay tuned. Gonna see that Tayana 37 next week and it’s between those two boats.
that is a beautiful little ship and obviously was well loved. it is so nice to see a boat that was sailed rather than just wasting away in a shipyard somewhere. she could be sailed away the day after you'd buy her without any apparent major projects that would open up a can of worms that would keep you in the yard for months or years. good luck with whatever you decide.
Thank you for watching and for the comment! Yes we love this one and she’s priced really nicely, and we could go have fun today. AND she’s 10 minutes from our house already and we could keep the slip!
Next week we go see the Tayana 37!
Love “doing whatever we want!” That’s the beauty of life. Stoked to see what the future holds for the sirens log!
Totally!! I know people have pinned us as a “sailing channel” but- if this isn’t fun, we ain’t doin it!!! Hahahaha Love watching your adventure unfold too!!! Hopefully gonna see you girls soon.
The Gulfstar is hard to beat. Center cockpit sure makes a practical cruiser.
Sure does!!! That’s a good looking boat too. It was on Facebook marketplace in Panama City FL.
If Hal likes the boat, you should get the boat. It looks sound and the work needed is definitely within your skills and budget. I love that boat. 😊
The Michealson is within my skill level. That's why I was interested. I didn't want to spend the time. That's why we decided against her even though her layout and size were perfect. I'm ready to sail, Siren wants to do a few more things before we take off. Stay tuned. We have a Tayana 37 coming next week. Spoiler, she's gorgeous.
Yeah, a part of me is disappointed we didn’t get that Mikelson. I could literally do a whole video on why I’d buy a Mikelson over a Formosa, and I love Formosas. That boat could have been our ticket to getting the right boat sooner, and the cheapest way we might ever find, BUT, even though I’m the buyer, I need Hal to be on board with whatever we buy because we’re a team in this and I need his mechanical skills. lol
Those deck prism thru lights!!! Awesome boat.
Aren’t they great!!??? I was in love! Next week we see a Tayana 37. Subscribe and stay tuned because we buy one of those two!
And I agree with Hal-boat prices are now starting become “realistic”. Especially here in the PC/PCB area! Now if all the marinas would get back to 100%🤔.
Nice to see you two, Yeah I like deck Prizms too.
Aren’t they cool!? I love prisms on deck. One more boat to see and then we choose.
PS- We are one week ahead on videos so heads up- we chose! Can’t tell which one though!
As long as sound, can”t go wrong with a double ended.
That’s right!
It is fun watching over your shoulder as you look for your next boat. I like this boat esthetically - she's a looker, for sure. The interior is surprisingly spacious for a 36' double ender (double enders always lose interior space because the last three feet of the boat is "pointy" - which doesn't gain you any interior space - so this Norstar is basically a 33' design with a waterline of just 25'). I don't like the teak decks - surely you will have to replace them at some point in the near future! The Perkins 4-107 sounds mighty tired - probably time for a new long block. The standing/running rigging needs replacing. No mention of the sail's condition, but most likely they are tired too. You could put a lot of money into this boat and still end up with what is basically a 33' pocket cruiser. (Where will you put the dinghy?), but you both seem pretty excited about her and she makes a lot more sense than that Mickelson!
You’re totally right about all of that! It was listed at a price where we could do all of that, which was a major advantage.
If Hal can stand up and lay down in the Gulf Star make the offer and get going😂 She really does look solid and sound ❤
We have one more boat we must see, and then we make an offer on one of them. Stay tuned!!
Thank you for responding to my email, You were very helpful and encouraging. If things progress I will keep you updated.
Good luck on the foster, Beautiful animal, afraid I am not 'in the market' at the moment but - who knows.
I can not wait to see what boat you end up with.
Hey, Thanks so much! We appreciate having you around!!
Needs love, but gorgeous!! I’d jump on that one!!! Can’t wait to see it yours!
Stay tuned. We looked at another boat and making a hard decision. Next week is a Tayana 37.
It’s a great price too! One more boat to see. Stay tuned! Hope you’re subscribed!
There is a reason he painted the wood parts. Spend your time sailing not varnishing. Beautiful boat!
Of course! And there’s a reason I’m going to sand it down and varnish it! Hahaha To each his own. I don’t mind brightwork. Instant reward and worth it everytime.
Nice boat Guys. Sail it first 😅🇨🇮
Ten thousand screws in that teak deck. Ten-thousand….so take the challenge and see if an issue, plan on pulling/repairing/replacing. Keep looking. You guys are right, market is coming down.
Yeah, no doubt. We know the repercussions of buying a boat with an old teak deck, but we aren’t totally opposed to it IF it hasn’t already caused major damage, and also if the price reflects the work involved. So if we get something like this needing a deck renewal, it has to be at a price that allows for that.
Smaht!!
Love these old explorer style boats… I live on a Pearson but would love one of these tanks. Sucks I don’t have the money to buy one.
Ahh that’s lovely though. Pearsons are really lovely boats! I love the lines on the old ones. But ask yourself- do you love maintenance and brightwork?? Hahaha if not, then you’re already on the right boat!
It's kind of funny watching these videos after I know that you bought a boat, but I just love seeing old boats. The bad thing, or maybe the good thing is I'll never own one because my wife doesn't like the water. Keep the good stuff coming guys.
I taught surf lessons and was a surf coach for more than a decade and “taught” a lot of people to fall in love with the ocean. What I mean is- Give them the right experience- for them- and they just may love it. Never know!
PS- Some of those people were deathly afraid of the water. 💦
I agree with hubby, get away from people lol. Sorry but true. Definitely not the gulfstar and the norstar $12,000 max. Note: old perkins very hard to get parts for. The heat exchanger assy is $4,000. Be careful. Good luck u two
Thank you! See the video after this! We found our boat.
loved the kitty
Awhh she was so sweet.
Good morning guys, well, appreciating what I have seen, I see that the first North Star boat is a beauty, it has an encapsulated running keel, which provides a lot of stability in waves, there is meticulous work to do on the main deck, superstructure and hull. both living and dead work, it has 70% wood and 30 fiber, it is NOT a boat for more than 2 people, it must be 38 or 39 feet. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL DESIGN AND A RARITY THAT IS NOT MADE ANYMORE. MY RATING IS NO REPAIRS 4⭐. 30k is a fair price. P.S. That screw-top hole you saw is for placing flares there. the old but handsome perkins engine. Nowadays you can reduce the navigation instruments to a regurgitated 11" tablet full of essential nautical apps, a radar, AIS, starlink and navigation safety. DO YOU KNOW HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS TO ANCHOR IN MAKEMO ATOLL in the Tuamoutu Archipelago Polynesia French...? 💯💫
I agree with everything you’re saying here!! I would not buy anything but an encapsulated keel, and I don’t mind the brightwork at all. I love my wood! 🪵
I worked for Nor"star and we finished the first hull for this boat in 1974 . I never saw a complete finished boat. Sailboat Data says last one built was 1978 and 7 built. It is not a 1991 boat. Nor'star sold out their Flicka 20 molds to Pacific Seacraft. before 1980.. IDK any other info about this boat.
Wow, that's interesting! Sailboat Data has been wrong a lot, but if you were there and know that, I'd trust that!
Some one may have "Nor'star" confused with NorthStar...not the same. It's a hand laid hull no chop gun was used in this very thick hull. 9 layers of mat and roving...
Hey Siren, she may be too far away from you guys but if you're considering chartering I know of a 60ft schooner built by a very well respected British shipyard, really strong boats...she is currently on the hard in the Carribbean and at a pretty good price. Been laid up for a good year or so, so will be a project, but the owner has now passed away. I've not seen the boat in maybe 2 years but she was a lovely vessel.. Happy to send you the details if you're interested
Hey! Ahhhh man. What is it?? We’d rather not take on a project in the Caribbean right now because we need our jobs here in order to take on such a project. I’m a yacht broker and Hal is a fishing guide coming into his summer season. We started with a higher budget and initially were looking worldwide, but now we have to kinda stay within the southeast I think.
@@TheSirensLog yeah I get it. Id have taken her on as a second boat but I'm in Europe so she is too far away for me and we're way to busy building our Blue Zero Project schooner to spend time traveling. Just passing the info incase it was of interest.
One of her sisters is here... darkhorse-schooner.blogspot.com/p/technical.html?m=1
Good luck guys with whatever you do
Oh nice!!! Thank you for that anyhow. We appreciate it.
You know when you like a boat, it is a big little boat tho, I do like large boats but costs go up with that but werth it, goodluck, its fun looking at boats🎉
We only have one more that we wanna see and we will make a decision. Stay tuned!
The boat's got good bones, and she's a looker. Wanted to hear the diesel engine run. The second one, not so much.
We did too! We couldn’t get it to start, but it sounded like it wasn’t getting fuel and we didn’t press the issue. We all felt like it was something simple we may have been overlooking, and the owner had ran the boat less than a month ago with no issues, and even if it didn’t run or had serious issues, at the price we could get it at, we knew we could afford a new engine if we had to, but wouldn’t expect that to be the case.
That’s a great looking body for the price, it looks like fiberglass skin over wood coachroof with wood side sand probably decks are fiberglass over wood. Is the hull fiberglass? The painted handrails need a lot less Maintance that varnish !!! (If you paint over varnish you can go back to varnish later).
It’s got a lot of gear too!
That gulfstar all fiberglass looks great too.
Boat #3 Morgan looks like a lot of boat for money too! At $7k too? You could spend $10-20k on any boat better to start with a cheap one!
Tayana 37 could be nice
You have some great options too!
We have 4 cats so we are stuck for moment!
Cheers Warren
Yeah the Norstar is fiberglass! Great boat. All of these boats, for the price, are reasonable options. Of course, we didn’t do a deep look into the other two. Keep watching for next week’s video!
@@TheSirensLog will do timing is right!!!
nice tub
She’s so purdy. Please subscribe. Next week we look at that Tayana!
Go for it!!! If it feels good..!!!!!!!
We have one more boat to see!!! Next week.
Beautiful Boat. Other than the Engine it all looks like some cosmetic issues which is to be expected. New Paint job and some wood work would make her look really nice. If Hal is good with the condition/maintenance of the Engine than this one looks like a real nice option.
The Morgan looks rough, nice price, but probably needs over $25K in repairs to make a live aboard boat.
Yep, We never went back to either of the other two boats we looked at on the video, but we do love the Norstar, and it comes in at a price that we can make her really amazing, and still have money to fix the VW’s, maybe buy the property in Puerto Rico, etc. It’s not a boat we’d keep forever, though. It’s a bit small for us, long term.
Hal is a fantastic mechanic and wasn’t concerned about this engine at all. This is a really solid option.
We have one more boat that we want to see and I think we will choose between the two!
Stay tuned!
Have spent quite a bit of time on a Gulfstar 50 and it was a tank, not a great sailing boat but was extremely comfortable.
They’re fantastic boats!
3:46 looks like a bass boat seat.
Totally. We’d probably replace it but at least it’s comfortable lol. Stay tuned! We see the Tayana 37 next
Those port windows are awesome. The two light prisms on the bow could be an issue if a problem occurs but are cool as well, could they be replaced with anything similar. Replace the wenches in my opinion, and the standing rigging will be replaced. I really like the living quarters. The Perkins can be rebuilt to new condition by a machine shop if needed, I am sure you noted the engine attachments, it looked like a new alternator, does this engine cool with sea water intake or a keel pipe? What do the diesel tanks look like?
Thanks for watching! I wouldn’t replace the prisms. Those things are usually so thick, I’ve never seen or heard of one breaking, and it would take someone slamming an anchor on them to break them, I’d imagine. That old Perkins runs but lots of oil- Hal is a really savvy mechanic so he was feeling comfortable dealing with that. Worst case, you replace the whole thing, which is totally doable at the price. Overall, a great little boat!! Be sure to subscribe though, because we show the Tayana 37 next week and we’re choosing between these two boats.
Good o sleep on it and visit another before you decide to make a offer. Enjoy your journey it’s for you both to master.
True! We will show the Tayana 37 next week. You subscribed?
You found the boat, ask for lowest high price. Make it yours.
Some work, engine check/maintenance. Paint, revarnish, scuff up. Windlass needs a refurbish, and new rigg.
I could see you refit a solar arch, and bimini.
Totally!!! One more boat to see, just to be sure. Tayana 37 next week. It’s the best one I’ve seen too because I like that the pilot berth is a separate cabin instead of open, which allows for guests. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
@@TheSirensLogkinda fell in love with this boat. But all right, better to have an option. If the deal isn´t going thru.
the gulf star shot in the video seemed to have more work needed.
But this northstar is doable *Budget on a string works.*
Its lil bit thight in some spaces.
btw, ask for a seatrial, if the bid is accepted.
Oh totally. We always advise people to have a sea trial and survey and we take that advice ourselves, if nothing more than to confirm what we’re already seeing and to find the plethora of tiny things around the boat that really need to be done. We’re super excited!
Nice woodwork set up a bit different but…. Like your channel.
Myself I think maybe you should make a move on the Northstar if you guys do all the inspection and haul out and of course appraisal. If all that looks good then it seems to me what I have learned about what you guys are willing to do by your answering my comments. Then I would say go for it, you can do weekends and some trips on that boat from what it looked like in this video. And enjoy it some while you getting her back in top notch shape. So I am going to be waiting for you next video, like I said before jump you know if this looks like the boat that y’all would be happy with. I am excited guys y’all maybe cruising this spring.
At least for some weekends and short trips ! Wow ! Best of luck to y’all ! I am excited !!!
Thanks so much for watching!! Definite stay tuned. You will love the next episode. Maybe!!!!
@@TheSirensLog if the next episode is about you finally taking the jump on buying a boat I will be watching and excited for you.
I know you guys been wanting this a long time so it will be good to see it happen.
Hi be sure to check out sailboat data and FANTASIA 35 which is same boat with center cotpit.
SA/disp is very low so slow boat and Weatherhelm issues on early boats
But when solved a good boat . Find out more I guess and take for a sail!!!
Could still be a very good livable boat but slow.
We don’t mind slow, and I love traditional boats. I wouldn’t have a newer production boat, probably ever, unless it was a late 80’s Hunter or something and that’s only because my mom, dad and grandma literally built them here in Florida. Plenty of advantages and disadvantages to both sides anyway. Overall, I’d have the old boat. And the Tayana 37 is a good sailing model!
@@TheSirensLog yup I’m into old boat too if condition is right , you only sail 10% of time any way so comfort and livability are very important! 🤞🤞🤞you get one of these
High neighbor, Panama City also. This boat was shown last week on BoatFools TH-cam channel. It took 2nd place of their overall rankings of 10 best boat buys in Florida under $40k. Hope you’re still happy with the Tayana, both are pretty boats.
Oh cool! I’ll find it. I’m curious to see. Yes we are happy with the Tayana but man… it’s a boat, so the usual… forking over may more money than we’d like to admit before even starting the major projects. We’ve put over $10k into the boat (paid $30k for her) in just a few weeks, and once she’s home we have to do the deck, rigging and chain plates. We will have a lot into her by then.
Think I might have made an offer on the 38’ Shannon Ketch in Brunswick Georgia. Ad On Facebook marketplace for a month and reduced to $68k so maybe $58k.
I took a sailboat from Dunedin, Florida to Jacksonville, Florida and was able to cross over, you can rig your tender out on the boom and fill with water to heel the boat quite a bit. I just fit at 48’ mast back in 1984 without heeling, Maybe a tiny bit to spare.
@@Clell3 we’re 57’! So… I think the safest best is to go the long way and go play in the keys. 😉 hahahah
If l lived in the place you live ln the USA l would take your dog in a heartbeat but as I'm in the UK this is not possible he looks a terrific dog good luck with the rehomeing of him just subscribed great video
Don't say that. Siren wants to go back to the UK and we're both froggy.
Thanks for subscribing!! Do they allow Akitas in the Uk? He’s half Akita, half husky, and he’s a hand full!!!
Hi people's, okee dokee, my only problem is Perkins, she's on her last legs, please take that into consideration when making offer. And because she's timber, she'll be very heavy. So a few tubs of gumption, some brushes and alot of elbow grease etc etc and goodluck. 👍😁please don't leave the dog in the car
Hey hey, Yeah, Hal feels alright about that Perkins, and we know we could get it st a price that we could replace the engine if needed. I prefer a heavy boat, and honestly, I’ve spent very little time sailing lighter production boats so I’m used to that. We do want to look at the Tayana 37 across the state that needs a lot of work but we can probably get her for a good deal. Gotta see it. Stay tuned!
Oh! Also- northern hemisphere- it’s winter here. It’s a heck of a lot colder in that truck than it is in our house that he lives in.
The North Star is beautiful. Not a big boat but more than capable of crossing Oceans. A boat you would be proud to own, The Morgan ..... No. We don't know about the Tayana?? If its half decent it would be hard to go past. I suspect it may well be yours.
Yeah, we don’t *need* a blue water boat right now because we plan to upgrade if we go this small, however, I’m the type of person that wants a tool. I want an encapsulated keel no matter what, and I want a boat that can cross oceans comfortably if I decide to, even if I don’t currently plan to travel beyond the Caribbean in this one.
As you probably know (but for anyone else scanning the comments) the Tayana is a well-known classic Perry model that is also a double ender, all of which were modeled after the old Colin Archer designs. I can somewhat attest to the feel of those boats- I worked on and sailed a 1925 Colin Archer and they have a good strong feel about them.
The Tayana comes with issues and has the original 1976 teak deck- so there’s no way around it- that deck leaks and that deck is done and needs to come up. My question is- how much damage has it caused and how quickly do I *need* to rehab. The rigging is old and should be replaced before any serious sailing is done and the chainplates have leaked and caused rot. A lot of the things of that boat don’t work and it’ll be a question of whether or now we can make things work again- radar, auto pilot, water maker, hot water heater, electric windlass, etc etc etc…. So the boat has good bones but needs a refit. We don’t know how cheap we can get the boat for so that we can do that work but we’re going to show it in next weeks video! If you’re not subscribed, feel free to join us! If you love these boats, you can always share the videos! Thanks!
I'm amaized at how much internet sailboat people pay for old sailboats !...
This boat is priced at $30k but that’s not to say that’s what my offer would be necessarily.
There are a ton of free boats out there. Check with marinas for abandoned boats. They need the slips for paying customers
Yep we’ve done some videos like that!
This Nor'star 32 may have 36 feet of sparred length, but she is a Colin Archer-type 32' overall design, much like the ubiquitous Westsail 32. There were 100 times more Westsail 32s built than these Nor'stars, many finished as kits. I used to own Hull No. 32 (1971), the first one with a doghouse after the 31 Kendalls built with the flush decks. My boat had specifications similar to the Nor'sea 32 that you're looking at. She was safe and sea kindly, for sure, but she wouldn't point worth a damn, and the weather helm made steering exhausting. The relative lack of ballast in the keel vs. the weight of the rest of the boat -- as on this Nor'sea -- had us burying the rail whenever we went to weather in a blow. Think: major stream rushing down the side deck. Speaking of side decks, I pulled up all the teak and rebuilt the deck core. There were hundreds of screws that needed removing and screw holes that needed filling. It was a hell of a project but it turned out well.
I suppose you've already put in an offer either on this one or the Tayana 37, but I'm going to say that since the Nor'star was built on Puget Sound, I'll bet the construction is of a higher quality than the Tayana built in Taipei. It seems as though the original design called for a stepped-down cabin top forward of the mast. The one that you are looking at has a flush deck there. That will give you some welcome real estate forward while handing lines or sun-bathing, but Hal is going to be swearing all the time from hitting his head down below. Get him a helmet. You'll like the dinghy davits over the stern while in calm waters, but the dinghy will be safer on the foredeck during a passage offshore.
This beamy boat has plenty of deck space, nice high bulwarks, and lifeline netting to give little children a safe area to move about. She's also capacious down below and her appointments are oh, so gorgeous! And, look at all the storage capacity. Those berths both port and starboard are where you'll want to sleep while underway.
This boat will take you both to Bora Bora in comfort. Well, I've said enough for now. Happy buying!
Hey, Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Yep, I agree with everything you’re saying and carefully considered that. That’s one of the first points I’d made to Hal, was that she was a sound, US build, and relatively new compared to what we typically look at, being a 1991.
We totally understand what we’re getting into with teak decks, and we’d tried to avoid them, but it is what it is. I can actually make use of them for photo packages for companies (something I’ve made a small living on for decades) while they’re there, which will likely pay to have them redone. That’s one advantage to an eye-catching boat for us, is that my content creation business will continue to make us some money so we can work on the boat. We don’t depend on TH-cam for that. It’s a weird way to justify a teak deck, I know, but it’s real. 🤣
Hal obviously has the head room that he wants in the Tayana 37s. I couldn’t find a Westsail to even look at with him but I’m familiar enough with them anyway- but would have been nice to show Hal. When my ex sank the boat we lived on on the hook years ago (I was away doing a delivery and the anchor line snapped from rubbing in the 3’ river chop and she blew aground and he had to get off the boat), he replaced it with a westsail and they’re truly fantastic boats. I did get a little time on that boat.
In the end, I’m a connoisseur of Taiwanese vessels. That’s where my heart has always been- though I have a love for many boats of many styles from many places. Of course, I have to use logic when making a purchase, as well as heart. Haha. When the budget dropped just enough that we decided to just go as cheap as we could for a temporary boat, and try to get bang for buck, I immediately found every Tayana 37 on the market in Florida. Hahah It’s such a great model for its size and personally I think it’s Bobs greatest achievement. While I haven’t spent time sailing a Tayana 37, I have spent time on the original Colin Archers. By original I mean, I worked on a 1925 wooden CA, the RS 40, Frithjof Weise, built in Norway. It was part of the rescue fleet there, as they were designed to be. Sailed that one from Florida up the eastern seaboard to Gloucester Mass and worked on her in England- an extraordinary vessel. Once in England, we spent weeks, the owner and myself, re-wiring her for Europe, doing woodwork, wire wheeling and beautifying every piece of metal on the boat… I love the feel of wooden boats (for obvious reasons to anyone whose ever spent time at sea on one) but- not in Florida. I’ll admit we never found great wind any of the time I was on that boat, but just the outline and weight alone gives the two boats a similar feel.
How do you feel the Tayana 37 differs from the Westsail or even the Colin Archers in terms of sailing in heavy wind?
I choose Gulfstar 41 Center Cockpit over Kendal 32.
Kendal was with the trunk cabin and was one of (I think) 2 boats which Kendal built after been purchased by Westsail, and they built her for Westsail as a test boat. Found relevant information ""W32 #37 Misty was the first of the four Westsail 32's built as production boats. W#32 and W#33 were built as prototypes by Kendall for Westsail, and the sales were from orders that Kendall had for complete boats with a trunk cabin, instead of kits with flush decks.""
Gulfstar is much roomier, has very difficult to manage prop-walk, but tracks and points under the sail in a spectacular fashion! Just needed opening blisters on her belly, filling them with some glass and West Systems epoxy, and 2 coats of Interlux Project 2000E.
I see that you're not going after the Tayana 37 willy nilly, but that you have experience with the original Colin Archer design and perceive the development of that idea here in this boat. Good. The T37 certainly is a gorgeous boat and I suspect she'll have the roominess that you'll need for many years to come.
I see four Tayana 37s for sale in Florida on Yachtworld; I can only assume that you are interested in the one in Ft. Pierce. Correct me if I'm wrong. If she is ready to go offshore, then you can sail her around Key West and up to your home on the panhandle, but that will be no small undertaking, especially if she's not seaworthy. Otherwise, you can pull the stick and truck the boat over land, but that will entail a different sort of hassle and expense. It looks as though this particular boat has wooden spars, as did my Westsail 32 when I bought her, so definitely check for termites and rot once you lay the mast down. You can rewire the mast and refinish it easily while it's horizontal.
As to your question, I would expect the T37 to sail better than any WS32 in heavy air. She has all the weight you'll need for comfort, a longer waterline for speed, a full keel with a decent ballast-to-replacement ratio and a finer entry than the WS32 for higher pointing. You'll also like the self-tacking staysail when single-handed in a blow. Given a choice between only rhe Nor'stsr 32 and the Tayana 37, I would buy the Tayana 37 in a New York minute, despite what I recently have said in favor of the Nor'star. Nevertheless, I'm simply looking at pictures while you are seeing and touching the actual thing. I'm sure you and Hal will make the right choice between the two. I can't wait to see next week's video!
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@@shisaisama We never got down to Fort Pierce to see that one but it was of interest! We looked at one of the two in Daytona Beach. It’s the one with teak decks (I know I know) but …I can’t spill too many beans here in the comment section but…. It’s all ok. That’s all I can say!!! Hahaha It’s going to be ok. You should be on our Patreon!!!
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Carabean cruising, possible chartering, you need a Freedom cat rigged. Get the biggest one they made.
Chartering can mean many different things. When we say charter, we mean private day sails and sunset cruises. 6pak stuff. Keep it simple and keep overhead low.
He says that, but when we were looking at the 50’ range, we wanted to do overnight charters. There’s great money in that, and I have professional training running those types of charters, and years of experience in it, so it would have been delightful to do that on my own vessel. Of course, going smaller, we’d just do day sails.
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now days all the nav def and all that over guff can be sent to you phone from the all in one computer from the inturn halm
Totally! But ultimately we don’t want to use our phones. We prefer real nav gear. Lots of cons to depending on the phone.
Nice pooch...pretty cool
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No cockpit seating, to much wood, nice looking but tremendous amount of constant upkeep
Luckily I enjoy doing brightwork! And it comes with beautiful reward. It is a little small for us, but its priced low enough we could put some work into it, make it even more beautiful and functional, and sell in a couple years to upgrade, while still allowing us to continue work on our VWs and potentially buy property in Puerto Rico, which has been a long term goal (just like the boat) for well over a decade.
One more boat to see and then we make a decision!
Don’t go smaller or settle for less than you want or need.
You’re totally right, but the budget did drop so I think we have to meet in the middle a little bit, at least for a couple of years. This is definitely smaller than I want, but we could get it cheap enough that I’d take it, make it gorgeous and outfit it, and sell it for more than I paid in a few years once we turn it into a fine cruiser and add to the boat. BUT please subscribe- We want to see that Tayana 37 and we show that next week. That has a V berth and a pilot berth that is enclosed into its own cabin- so technically two cabins. So as far as size is concerned, it ticks a lot of boxes!! We are going to buy one of these two. Stay tuned!! Thanks for watching and commenting!
If you choose to go small first I saw a 1997 hunter 310 which looked ver decent. Bit of a party boat incl dance-pole. Decent price. But is under your brokeridge so dunno. A nothing to do boat, immediately sale away. Just getting sailing would be 50% adventure? I am sure you know the boat
Ahhh yes. Hahah Well! Watch this Sundays video. Big news.
I look at this boat in November. I’m bet you 100$ it sells for less than 20k.
I think it sells for 20ish.
What kept you from buying it, if you don’t mind me asking?
@@TheSirensLog we felt the owner was a tad neglectful. Rod good guy. We showed up late November after all the rain. There was leaks everywhere “from the teak deck”. There were a number of questions we had for the owner and he had misguided answers for most. One big one being the engine. I have a lot of faith in these Perkins. When they are maintained. We were the only people to ask so many questions in like 5 months. I feel the person before the owner now was a good owner giving her everything she needed. We felt he treated that boat like a Honda civic. Needed too much tlc for our liking
You mentioned wanting to have kids in the near future but aren't willing to take Bentley on the boat? Im sure Bentley would love to go with you guys on any boat adventure.
I wouldn't "love" a boat until it passed a marine survey.
lol Well we did get a survey on the one we bought. Unfortunately there’s no “passing” a survey. lol if there was, we didn’t. lol
Why are you pushing the dog?
I don’t completely understand the question. Like why are we looking for a home for him? Because he’s a foster and we can’t keep him. We also have a cat and he is aggressive to cats. We took him in to help a friend whose parents died, and he was theirs. But we’ve been looking for a home for him- a GOOD home- for nearly 5 months with no luck, and we have a following here and can reach more people so of course we would utilize it to help find Bentley a good home. We can’t sail with him and most marinas won’t allow him.
Jess somehoy looked nice. different cam?
Don’t I always? lol
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Hi Nicholas!!!! Thank you so so much! Cash is always appreciated around here. There’s so much to do. 🙏🏼 Many thanks.
Did y’all get it?
We went to see the Tayana 37!
As much as I like looking at the boats, I'm really ready for you to finally make a decision. I think that you are beginning to suffer from analysis paralysis -- you have looked at so many boats that you just letting all of the options confuse the decision making process. Remember ... no decision is permanent ... you can always sell the boat down the road and move on to a bigger one if you need to. Good luck!!!
Hahahahahahahah Just sell it if I don’t like it? I take it you’re not a boat owner.
No offense, but our channel is currently featuring us shopping for the right boat, and if someone isn’t into that, I can’t really help that. Kinda like, I wouldn’t watch fishing videos of people bass fishing if I didn’t like bass fishing and preferred deep sea fishing. I wouldn’t expect the guy catching bass to get a different boat and go catch tuna. Our channel never called itself a sailing channel. We are what we are and strangers on TH-cam aren’t going to affect our decision on major monetary decisions. I’m not going to tell you where to buy a house either so…. Just saying.
Boats are also very expensive. Dockage, insurance, the price of maintenance and repairs… you don’t just “pick a boat” and sell it if you don’t like it especially in an economy where boats aren’t selling. It’s very important that we make a decision that we like and are comfortable with.
That is not what i said ... I was merely pointing out that if you out grow the boat (as you pointed out in the video about children) you could always upgrade to a larger boat. @@TheSirensLog
@@robertscholz4486You are right
dog stil hugging Hall. Never l;eaves
Yeah we have to find him a home now more than ever!
There is a reason she is priced as low as she is. It would be good to find out why before you make a purchased.
Thats what surveys and sea trials are for!
But I can, for the most part, gauge that based on what we can see.
1. The size. It’s only 36’. This is still on the smaller end for cruisers. She boasts only one berth.
2. The teak deck. It’s a 1991 and the teak deck is that old, which means that it’s nearing the end of its life and will need to be redone in the next few years, even though it looks fantastic and doesn’t *appear* to be leaking badly or causing major damage, but I didn’t bring a moisture meter with me.
3. The market is crashing. Boat sales have been stupid slow this last year, boats are sitting longer, and dockage and insurance are going up. When an owner lives out of town and is paying $1000-1500/month just to have their boat sit up for sale, they start dropping the price to let it go faster.
All of this on top of having an older engine, dated electronics and such…. There just aren’t a ton of expensive assets on the boat driving up the price, which is fine! It makes it a great boat for someone to get into and add to the boat how they want. We prefer that. Of course, I always recommend people have a survey done, and I always recommend a haul out to check the bottom, but I have a good feeling this is a good, solid boat!
Well so long as the hull is not osmotic …I think it’s a sweet boat , the price is not the killer , it’s the dockage in Florida
That teak deck looked wasted.
Thats at least a 50 year old boat, especially with that engine in it, hope you weren't mislead.
I had that “feeling” when looking at it, but the current owner believes it to be a 1991 so we went with it. However, we did get a comment from someone who actually built those NorStars and he also said it was much older.
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If they pull that covid crap again, you mite be stuck out at sea some where. I'd check where there wasn't any restrictions. Better have a way to desalinate sea water and a whole lot of fishing gear.
I'll be somewhere on a small island where I can be free. I was lucky to be in Florida during covid. If I had to, I'd sail back to Florida.
Totally- whatever boat we choose, we will have a watermaker and be as self sufficient as we can be. Thanks for watching and commenting! Happy to have you around. You subscribed?
Did you have trouble getting insurance on your boat ?
We only did liability insurance to be in marinas and it was very simple and extremely cheap. We will see about upgrading later, and as a broker I will tell you most people have trouble insuring boats like that but it does happen! I live in Panama City and we have a local company called Daffin Insurance that searches across numerous other insurance companies to find coverage and they usually do a good job of finding someone. I’ve been with State Farm for so many years, I imagine I wouldn’t have trouble just using them when I upgrade.
Don't varnish,I use Sikens... 5 coats comes up like varnish but without the annual redoo... Is there a link for the Tayana 36...
Thanks! Yeah I’ve been considering other products like that, and there are areas I may would do tung oil.
Luckily, I enjoy working on teak, and the reward is 🤩. Most people hate it, and I know that in time, I may get sick of it too, but in my opinion teak is a gorgeous asset.
We did see the Tayana! That will be next weeks video. It’s gorgeous too. Stay tuned!! We chose one!
you botjh loooked good, forget about a boat. him or her. don't forget her
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Thank you!!! Video out tomorrow. You’ll wanna see it. 😉
Don’t like either, but the north star is better of the two.
Gulf stars were considered just about as bad as you get ….. like doors not shutting when going to windward because the hull would twist
Can you stand up Hal?
Whatcha talkin bout.
Yes!!!
Oh!! The head room! Yeah he can, mostly! But on the one in next week’s video, he can stand up *better* 😉
So how tall in he?
@@SamuelKTennis Hal is 6’2”
When in doubt…stay out
I mean very nice, sorry
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I'm writing this message from my GS41CC. Get the Gulfstar! She is a ketch! For $30K? Why are you keeping looking at something else?
It was 40k and you are not wrong.
@@TheSirensLog I don't know what year she is. Mine is 1975, second generation (what later will be MKII). But they were built in Florida and designed with the Caribbean in mind. They got a bad rep perpetuated by people who have no idea what they are talking about. From my 2 years of owning her I can say that I didn't like dealing with vertical blisters which is a sign of rushed laminate. But otherwise I love her to bits!
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Oh I agree with you! The gulf stars are fantastic boats, and I love that they’re made in Florida. The CSY’s are another Florida build we made sure to look at as many as we could find. I love them boat and both are solid boats. We actually forgot to set up to look at this one because we were so focused on seeing that Tayana and just fell in love.
A 34-year-old fiberglass sailboat? Seriously? Hard to believe she's really a broker.
Im not sure I understand what you’re saying.
So, you go on somebody’s boat, uncover their instruments and then just walk away leaving them uncovered? Not cool!
The listing broker was present. That is how it is done. You have to look at everything to know what you want to offer. We should do a video on how the boat buying process goes. Alot of people don't seem to understand how it all works.
@@TheSirensLog Sorry! That wasn't apparent on the video.
@@lauraaz3015 If we shared every detail in our videos they’d be hours long. We just assume people realize how it works.