► WTF Is... - Space Hulk ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- TotalBiscuit takes a look at a recently released turn based strategy game based on the WH40K universe, developed by Full Control Studios.
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I will never accept the "fact" that NEARLY THE WHOLE BLOOD-ANGEL-CHAPTER got pwned. Never.
I think their first mistake was wearing all that armor. Don't they know that being quick and nimble is what it's all about? School girl uniform with a mini-skirt would have served them much better.
Wish you were still with us TB.
amen brotha, watching it AD
I thought Space Hulk was a game about "The Incredible Hulk" fighting aliens in Space.
Nope.
That's always been a problem I've had with Warhammer: despite their impressive suits and armour, nothing seems to have trouble getting through them. Seems like they might as well be fighting in shorts, and at least that way they'd be comfortable.
Who says Terminator armour isn't comfortable?
offense was always one step ahead of defense. even in the 40th millennium.
True. But I guess they have to balance it.
As a player of the tabletop, Terminator armor and it's equivalents in other armies are still very effective. It grants a 2+ armor save (The best possible) and a 5+ Invulnerable save that you can take even if you get hit with something with high enough Armor Penetration. If your opponent doesn't have many AP2 weapons, a squad of Termies can effectively become a walking brick wall.
That said, for obvious balance purposes, most armies have several options of weapons or units that can counter Termies by invalidating their high armor save. In the case of Genestealers, they have the Rending special rule, which basically means that all of their melee attacks have a 1 in 6 chance of ignoring armor.
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And I regret nothing.
You know what the best Warhammer 40K game ever would be? A 4X strategy game where you play as the Emperor uniting all the human worlds. It would be perfect. You would have to conquer planets to establish trade routes, purge xenos and chaos, and find all the primarchs. It has to be done.
It has to be done, but it won't because GW will re-release and update every little thing they can to get as much money as humanly possible before they even consider doing new stuff, and god forbid they ever advance the lore.
KingofCheddarCheese I know, right? I'm still waiting for when the main Tyranid forces finally enter the Imperium and almost wipe out mankind.
KingofCheddarCheese Not so much advancing the lore since it is already there. The emperor searching for the primarchs and re-conquering the galaxy with his sons, the grey knights and mass-produced superhuman soldiers based on the primarchs. Hell, I'd kill for something like that, or something set on the Horus heresy, or even before that when the first power armours and genetically enhanced soldiers were conquering earth under the Emperor from many tribal warlords...
But that would be Warhammer 30K.
This, so much, this.
However, I could see if there was ever any combat it would get repetitive IF it was a shooter-type game, since I mean c'mon, you're the GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND. It's not necessarily hard to kill something. If it's an RTS or a TBS game where you can control legions of Astartes, the Primarchs, and the other forces of the Imperium, I could see it being a LOT of fun.
That's just combat though. I couldn't imagine how fun it would be to do all of the other galactic conquest-esk stuff. " *Warhammer 40,000: The Great Crusade.* " That is, if it were to be based in that era. Current 40k would be just as awesome, nonetheless. Too bad it won't happen, as the last 3 replies have proven.
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I did say '4X Strategy game', not 'shooter-type game'. But it could happen. It wouldn't even require advancing the lore, since it's just the Emperor's Great Crusade.
I own Space Hulk : Death Angel, the card-based game, and I really enjoy it. Horrid rulebook, but great components, great system, harsh, good solo and multiplayer (coop) play modes. And it's $25 (if not less ...). Recommended !
Yeah, the rules were terribly written haha but the card game is fantastic! Really challenging.
I bought it like two days ago, I am really excited to play it.
"Techno-Arcana-Sorcery-Bollocks"
Please bring Necromunda to PC... PLEAAAASE D:
I remember playing this as a java game on my old phone. It's great to see that all the technological progress has gotten us nowhere at all.
The old Lore for Warhammer 40K made sense, especially the Heresy War, but now the new lores that are coming in are.. Excuse my language "Fucking Retarded". A entire chapter being obliterated is a very, very rare case unless its a massive war pitting between two rivaling chapters. I mean some of the Warhammer 40K games where nice like the old Space Hulk games, Dawn of War, and some further back.
But the main concern would be reading up the actual story on how it came to be, Space marine, Chaos, Eldar and so forth. I got similar books that have most of the lore written in about how the Chaos marines managed to wipe certain Space marines to fight against their brothers, The Angel Forge and so forth. So not just play the game, read it too.
Space Hulk: Revenge of the Blood Angels was a spectacular DOS game. Should still work on Dosbox with a bit of persuasion, go get it!
Oh TB you made me cry at the mention of Gorkamorka and Necromunda, the only GW games I truly felt love and protectiveness over my gang of metal and plastic figures
TBH this game is hugely improved since launch. Worth checking out at least.
Necromunda is back and TB isn't here for it :c
"I can customize my pole" lol
As an enormous fan of the Space Hulk board game this game is all I could have really asked for. I love breaking the board game out but when I don't feel like spending an hour putting corridors down, I can just boot this up and have a good time.
The idea of polishing it all up and making a more believable experience doesn't matter. This games audience is clearly fans of the board game as is. Would be nice to see a map creator though.
can you play as other chapters in this game? im tired of always seeing Blood Angels
"Techno-Arcanosorcery bollocks" is one of my new favourite expressions. Very good way of substituting "thingamajiggy," or "doohickey."
Well, this games looks like a pretty major bust. But, I like the style of it.
And just skimmnig trough the patch notes, mere minutes before bed, I think I will cash in on this game!
Now when it is on flash sale on steam.
It have had some time to patch, and it seems that they have addressed some of the issues.
So I am gonna pick it up and try it out tomorrow. :)
Yeah they fixed the slow movements and other super annoying stuff, but still there are still loads of problems and glitches so just be ready for that.
Chareater Yep - I was prepared!
Still, on the flash sale there isn't much to complain about.
Don't know what I payed, but it wasn't much. :P
Got a few good games worth of rage and victory. XD
Space Hulk used a lot of 1st edition concepts, not as much as Necromunda and Gorkamorka. A lot of weapons can lower your armour save. Terminators rolled 2D6 against an armour save of +3 (where a normal marine just rolled 1D6 and iggies rolled their 6+ or 5+ flak vest). Iggy armour went down to nothing when heavy weapons shot them, while marines just got a worse save. Terminators didn't really want to stand around in the open. All infantry could benefit from cover, so the best thing was to put the terminators behind a hedge and have them support with their stormbolters. The energy shield terminators carried gave them what we'd call an invuln save today, a min 4+. And genestealers are pretty good at just that job, ripping up armour.
In one of the earlier versions of Space Hulk you could toss in all sorts of troops inside a hulk. Iggies in a space hulk were smaller than a terminator so they could walk in pairs and shoot over their shoulders. So each direction could have fire from four iggies at a time.
Err well, I actually quite like this
I don't know much about warhammer lore though
A funny story: in grade school I had a friend who had the board game. We never played it, and didn't know anything about GW stuff yet, but I did notice what looked like orcs among the miniatures and asked why they were there. My friend just said they were space orcs and left it at that. To this day I don't know why they had those ork miniatures.
Maybe they should have just remade the 1995 3DO version?
Which results in cases of zero gravity or having to operate in a vacuum. Terminator armour is fully usable in these conditions and if I remember correctly the boots use gravity or magnetic tethering to keep them on the ground, so even if a Space Marine was used, he'd have to be practically glued to the floor regardless, negating any kind of movement or speed bonus. On top of this, every Terminator is a veteran Space Marine awarded usage of the armour - they're the equivalent of the Rangers.
"Hasn't released a good pc game, ever" lol
The board game has a timer for the Space Marine player, while the Genestealers get all the time they need. As you lose captains, you lose time to issue orders. It's a legacy feature of the board game. I'm personally glad it's there as a hardmode.
So glad i got this on steam sale. Its the fucking boardgame from 2009 and the sad thing is the mission are even from the boardgame from the fucking early 90's. Im not impressed, i just want Dawn of War 3 and Space Marine 2. This game just left a bad taste in my mouth steam sale with 66% off was not enough for this. Only reason i got this was coz im a 40k fanboy, i also got shit for calling that bullshit the ENTIRE CHAPTER invading a space hulk ?! and getting pwned hard ?! a chapter that was around during the crusade times when they were legion, fucked up that bad ? really ? But yeh its lore WTF !?
Ok, longer explanation, aside from Terminators being able to carry ordanance that wipes out Genestealers quickly (Storm Bolter that Terminators use 1 handed is equivalent to 2 Heavy Bolters for starter, they use full sized Power Fists as default, often with Chainswords attached, etc), the weapons utilized by Terminators are too heavy to allow any kind of agile movement at all. A Heavy Flamer or Storm Bolter requires two hands to use and that doesn't account for ammo storage or weight....
Do you always whine this much in your gameplay videos?
Thank you for useing the word "cannon" in correct context. that made me smile.
The Space hulks themselves are often made up of tight, long corridors. This means that as agile as a Space Marine may be, compared to a Terminator, they aren't going to run far or be able to dodge enough attacks to make any kind of difference. Don't forget that Space Marines are already huge guys, even without the Terminator armour. Next, in relation, is the composition of Space Hulks: These are huge, derelict shells that often have hull fractures, or disintegrating chasis...
To that note, the same holds true for the Blood Angels and their deviations: it's all from their divergent geneseed. I've always believed, like many did in the old 2nd/Rogue Trader days, that many of the Primarchs had drastic deviations due to the influence of Chaos. The bigger, and more interesting part, is that all these fractures, from the split in the Inquisition to the wildly different chapters, just continues to indicate just how in decline the Imperium is. They're the next Eldar.
All Space Marine chapters generally follow the Codex Astartes, even the Chapters that have their own interpretations like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Space Wolves. While none of them are as strict as say the Ultramarines, they still follow the same basic rules modified for their home planets and cultural backgrounds. The "name of the Primarch" line is just a way of adding import to it, kind of like Thor saying "By Odin!", and I don't think it's meant to be taken literally.
Relic were part of THQ, who are now bankrupt, and was acquired by Sega. They still have rights to make 40k games and maybe working on "Dawn of War 3" soon. Bear in mind one thing: Relic made Company of Heroes and used Essence Engine v1 and v2 to make Dawn of War 1 and 2. Company of Heroes 2 just came out (EE v3) and if it's successful they may plan to use that to create "Dawn of War 3". Depends how they plan to make RTS games even better in future. Relic haven't abandoned GW yet, so don't worry.
I never asked them to change anything, I asked why bring terminators when spacemarines would actually be more effective seeing as terminator armor is just as vulnerable to rending claws. Then the other guy said genestealers didnt have rending claws back then. So the seemingly obvious response to that, at least to me, is to send in more agile troops instead of wasting precious terminator armour that only put you at a disadvantage.
As to the question why send terminators in in the first place: genestealers ignore armor. normal marines would die in one hit, terminators have an invulnerable save (especially with shield) that allows them to not instantaneously die.
*Citadel Ghost Child appears* "Oh great, it's the Blackstone Fortresses all over again - Right guys, just Nova Cannon everything!"
*Blood Angels
This is a direct remake of the board game, so of course it will have the same chapter. And this game was developed by a much smaller team than dow ever had.
What he said about making a interpretation of Space Hulk might be better instead of a direct digital copy, makes even more sense when considering your point. Whether you keep or tweak the original Space Hulk system for the digital version, either way it has a lot of untapped potential without all those other factions and playstyles. Multiplayer would be a much bigger thing with more options.
The board game of Space Hulk was released first, understandably. There have been a few video game adaptations over the years, the Saturn game being one of them, I have no doubt. This is the most recent adaptation.
The Blood Angels have massive support from their successor chapters, allowing them time to rebuild. The Blood Ravens are pariahs in the eyes of everyone except the Ultramarines, and get no support. (Inquisition hates them, Imperial Guard hate them, Eliphas won't leave them alone) It's no wonder that Boreale's idiocy crippled the chapter for years to come.
good guy TB saving millbee's channel on behalf of his subscribers thank you for that
Warhammer (now often referrerd to as "Warhammer Fantasy") was created in 1975. Warhammer 40,000 was started in 1987. Space Hulk was released in 1989.
I'd love to see a new version of Chaos Gate, or a game that plays just like it.
1) I love this slow animations. Terminators must be slow.
2) Game must not notify you if you forgot about your troops. You have 5 terminators in control in half of the missions. It is hard to forget about them.
3) Such game deserve better animations.
4) It is hard to find a copy of board game in my country. And it is much harder to find such game at affordable price.
PS. There can not be any logic if you play spacemarines.
i understand your frustration mate. Gorka & Necro will live forever inside our hearts.
TBH the original "space crusade" on the amiga seems more fun. and has effectively the exact same gameplay.
and space hulk on the SEGA saturn was AMAZING... for the time.
no. he WAS working as a financial adviser, before husky got him a partnership with TGS (polaris) and he moved to the USA.
Now that he makes enough to support an esport team one has to assume he's making a decent living
Gorkamorka! So many great memories!!
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
I now find it strange the Blood Angels would be the ones doing the Space Hulk shenanigans and not say, the Salamanders or Deathwing. What are the Blood Angels looking for? Salamanders can at least search for the toys their Primarch threw out the pram and Deathwing can get away with them looking for information about The Fallen.
That over-shoulder cam realy adds to the immersion....
I think it's like this; Vengeance of the Blood Angels was based of the board-game, and then a new iteration of the board-game was released and now this game is based of that.
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
there was a little game released awhile ago called alien assault, which was basically a re-creation of space hulk in a 2d turn based game.. just with all the names with non-warhammer names. However it did have a mod released that brought back all the warhammer names/visuals called Space Hulk MK (or MK2). There is a sequel in the making called Alien Assault 2: Evolution.
While all that is true, they STILL maintain elements of the Codex Astartes. They still use the same vehicles, armor and munitions to fulfill the same roles as other Marine Chapters. They still follow enough of the Codex to maintain their status as a Chapter without being openly declared heretics by the Inquisition and the other mainline Chapters. The Wolves and Angels are allowed to do their own thing, but only to a certain point. Fenris and Baal wouldn't exist if that wasn't the case.
The option for a confirmation screen should be there, but I think I'd play without it. It's good practice having to remember and double-check everything before you end your turn.
I mean, I wouldn't tell my opponent in the board-game they forgot something :)
What I was pointing at was that FPS heavily relies on the machine you're using, not just the game.
Also, up to 32 FPS, you have noticable changes. After that the change of FPS is subtle, and honestly, I myself don't get why some people are stuck up with
'I have 65 FPS, and my experience is better'
Unless humanity entered a new phase of evolution, then 32 FPS is about what we percieve as perfectly smooth, and anything above that is technically placebo.
Literally LOL'ing at the indrick boreale reference.
Alien swarm is a real-time action game. Space Hulk is a turn based tactical game. Alien swarm is quite fun though if you have some friends to play with.
Genestealers were created for two things; shock troops and infiltrators for the Tyranid hive fleets. Those bone blade claws are not exactly just bone, and they are not ''skinny''. :P
That wouldn't stop them releasing the rulesets as .PDF files, and putting printable templates for floor tiles up on their website.
Most of the miniatures can be found in other games in the same timeline, what you can't find you can make.
Google Alien Assault by Teardown. It was a proper 2d version of Space Hulk that they tried to get approved by Games Workshop a few years back but were denied and forced to remove any references to the Space Hulk IP. However, it is still the exact same gameplay as the boardgame.
Not to mention the fact that humanity no longer knows how to create the machines they use. They have to rely on Standard Templates to pump out tanks and armor and ships and stuff. Pretty sure the Age of Strife, after the Golden Age of Technology, was basically a huge dark age and when they came out of it, that's when the Imperium stopped making strides, which meant they couldn't even regain what they previously had.
what Prinz said, but also they didn't just face standard genestealers. They also faced hybrids with heavy weaponary - Aotocannons etc.
They did release rules for playing with power armour marines too. you got more rines, but they absolutely sucked at close combat vs genestealers, and standard bolters were less effective than storm bolters naturally
The thing I never understood, why do they send terminators in the first place? The genestealers cut through terminator armor the same way they cut through ordinary spacemarine armor, why not send standard spacemarines in there and take advantage of being more agile?
I think the reason they send in terminators is because only terminators bear the armament necessary to kill genestealers in vast enough quantities to prevent the possibility of them getting into melee range. And since genestealer claws probably go through normal space marine armor just as quickly as they go through terminator armor, why send in normal space marines who can only carry so much weaponry?
8:49 My knee-jerk response was "SPEAK NOT ILL OF THE GREAT ANGEL SANGUINIUS!!!"
As a Battlefleet Gothic player, I have to say that someone DID try this on the tyranids... They got the same virus back two days later, and the 'Nids had made it MORE deadly O_o
Some board games I -totally- am okay with a straight port with no advances. Take the Steam version of Ticket to Ride - it's got no bells and whistles (well, figuratively. It actually does have bells and train-whistles as sound-effects). They just made it extremely well and made it work perfectly fine. Me and my friends love it and it lets us play one of the great board games of all time even though we're all across the world.
They indeed re-released it. It was a VERY Limited Edition, and was sold out in pre-order.
In games, when you press a button or move your mouse, the game responses faster if your FPS is high.
If I have 30 FPS in a shooter game, and move my mouse, I can see that the camera is moving slower than what it should.
You know what I reccommend? Go get alien assault. Its basically space hulk but is free and has a TON of all-new missions. It actually WAS going to be a space hulk game but games workshop wouldn't allow the license to be used. Their loss.
You have it the wrong way around there. All of the chapters that have their own codexs in table top are non codex chapters. This includes Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights and Black Templars (Though they are now in the Space Marine codex, they still are not a codex chapter). There are also the Iron Hands, but they pretty much get forgotten about.
But if only you all knew the horror that the Blood Angels had to go through to reclaim their vengence...Their chapter master informed me of the matter & I was truly Amazed how the blood angels managed to do all this.
Before the first hive fleet arrived Genestealers behaved almost like the aliens in alien, hitching lifts on hulks between planets, implanting humans with their genetic code to make cults. Little did anyone realise that they were scouts for the horror that is a Hive invasion.
There is a Space Hulk mod for Dawn of War: Winter Assault. It's real-time rather than turn-based, but it's pretty good. There are plenty of maps and objectives to do.
The reason it's good idea is because it's about half the price of the board game which not only isn't produced anymore (production stopped years ago) but in fact the retail stores were given orders to destroy all copies that weren't sold by a certain date.
The people at my local store were just as baffled, perhaps to make it more exclusive so a re-launch would make more money?
They carry much more fitting weapons for Space hulk boarding (Storm bolters, assault cannons and what not) and their armor is very fitting for close quarters combat even though they are slow as hell in comparison.
I would have preferred to have this visual in the top right screen as my primary with the bird eye view on the side.
A level editor will be released when it is ready. They are working on it.
I've never read that it could be the Imperial Fists anywhere, but I've seen plenty that it's the Thousand Sons.
Explains why they've got abnormally amounts of psykers.
I didn't know the blood angels are so well liked in the universe especially by their successor chapters but thanks for explaining that to me, I don't keep up with ALL the lore.
I liked the bit with the waddling terminators!
Idk. Newest codex doesnt say anything on that mater.
Its just Emperor gave decree to Malcador to gatjer some exemplar administrators, militants and such to be foreruners of Inquisitors, and some trusty SM.
The later became the Macldor's Knights-Errant, and most likely a mentioned in codex first honorary Grand Masters. But they formed and trained chapter, the gene-banks and equipment were already on Titan when they arrived.
Full Control: You need to edit out the bugs, enhance the graphics, improve the sound effects, MABE add more gore, & add a few more options like what T.B. said, then this would be an istantly better game worth the price tag. My thoughts on this game: Only buy it if you can get it cheap
the reason they send terminators to space hulks is because the forces of chaos and the ork hordes also use the space hulks for transport. Which means, terminator armor will protect you from boltor and slugga rounds,
this would be good for a full 40k game not just based inside the space hulk and every army on huge battlefields, maybe in the future
At least they had the decency to put up a press embargo until release. Like a great big warning sign "guys don't preorder, wait for reviews" =)
What makes you think servitors can move even just one inch within Sins of Damnation? And there are no automatons in the service of any space marine chapters (with the exception of servitors, and any vehicles that had a awakening of their machine spirits.)
Terminators are the finest of a space marine chapter, they excel in every way, masters of every weapons, equally devastating in range as they are in melee. They are the honor guards, and the only ones who may survive a space hulk.
Why wasn't this FPS co-op?With customizable marines.Backed up by your buddies in varying grim missions,holding ground against impossible odds so 1 or 2 men can push on to the objective, blasting your way through the horde of stealers with a "last stand" mode at the end of the suicide missions.I'm watching the fpv cam up in the top right and the atmosphere looks great.Loved the old board game,I'd have been a lot more interested in paying money for that than this recreation,admirable though it is.
While I will definitely agree with the comments about the bugs and general glitches, I have to respectfully disagree about the mechanics and digital board game aspect. For that, it's great, a very nice translation of a tabletop game that's long since out of print and costly to buy on the secondary market, and like all other digital board games, it allows me to play the game with friends who are no longer local, or able to travel to a normal game night. For that, it's worth the price tag for me
It is a digital version of the original Space Hulk tabletop game. Don't know what you were expecting.
A Necromunda game would be fantastic, turn based games are pretty trendy nowadays so I'm sure it would do well if made by the right company too.
From my knowledge Blood Ravens don't suffer from the Black Rage or Red Thirst which was bought on by their Primarch's death Sanguinius So they probably came from another chapter
I haven't had any issues with this game yet, I think they've really improved on this game and I absolutely love it. But admittedly I'm a huge w40k fan and I love the games that get closer to what the actual games are like .
I actually long for a WH40k PC game that is a faithful recreation of the table top game, in this sense, Space Hulk looks like a good job of that. I know it's frustrating to allow players to skip their unit's turns accidentally, but the table top game was just like that, same with the measurement guessing. Just my two cents.
I agree with you and after a little practice it'd become little to no issue. He just points things like that out.
TB the reason there is no warning that you hadn't spent your action points is because it is very common to not spend them all in a turn so if your gun jams while on overwatch you can unjam it and keep firing. If they had put some kind warning system or something in It literally would be going off like every turn; it would be incredibly annoying.
With their specialist games being canceled nothing really holds them back from licensing a video game based directly on the table top rules. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it, but damn that could be awesome.
4 years ago? wow, I am sooo out of touch.
I would have thought allowing the Genestealer 'hybrids' with their weird plasma rifles etc in the game would make a decent and more interesting game/version. Genestealers are so hard to kill but when you play against 'hybrids' armed with weapons it makes the game more playable [on the board game anyway... also, I used to love painting the figures of the hybrids]. Ok, so it might have seemed a bit too 'XCom:EU' BUT remember it is WH40K so...
I mean, converting the base board game is just plain lazy.
I love turn based squad games. Hell, i kinda want this because it looks like a better adaption of UFO:Enemy unknown than Xcom enemy unknown ever will be. $30 is a bit out of my willing price range so i guess I'll have to wait for a sale.