Have one Honda izy start 46 sens 20 years back and i have never seen dualblade on a hondamachine and i dont have dualblade ither . Still runs good , i change oil 1/year , airfilter sparkplug every 2/year. It was expensive when i bought it , but during the 20 years i have it i never have had a problem with it . I have followed you Bruce sens a while back and i must say i have learnd alot of you , thanks for the great videos you do. Best wiches from Sweden. 🇸🇪
you can get that rod stock for making the linkage rods at a hobby shop that carries radio control plane supplies, and they would also have the special pliers for making the "Z" bend. they are building a new plant here in Fort Worth Texas and will be making craftsman sockets and ratchets back in America again!!
Hey....It's Casual Friday at the Pender Shop! And we're fortunate enough for TWO Friday videos! Is that a ballast fluorescent light ballast I hear humming? Have you thought about updating/upgrading to LED lights in the shop? From one that's done this, it makes a WORLD of difference and it's not very costly at all to do. One 5,000 lumen LED takes the place of three 4 foot double bulb fluorescent fixtures!! Not to mention the electricity savings. After I switched, my shop bill was cut in half. You can get LED replacement bulbs for your existing fixtures that are plug and play that work with or without a ballast. So if a ballast blows, a simple rewire and you're back in business. Excellent work on the ole Honda! All it takes is determination right? Cheers my Good Friend! Sean~
Good to see someone still take the time and troubleshoot the real cause of trouble and try to fix the old parts or improvise, 👍 Most mechanics are reduced to part changers now.
What puzzles me is how that chock lever got messed up in the first place , it was a great video and very informative . I have an old Honda with the old manual choke - runs like a charm .
Thanks for the reply Bruce. You have saved my day alot by watching you videos. I did replace the carb on one of them, and tried to clean out the second one, but the emulsion tube was so stuck in there it would not come out. I will try cleaning them out one more time and see what happens. You also need to make a video on how to repair a frozen blade brake clutch on these monsters. I had to farm that one out to the repair shop to get that fixed. Dave Anderson
I always start at the beginning. Compression then fuel(since you know it has spark,or at least some from it running,albeit poorly). Then I'd have checked air filter and then choke. Saw it was running obviously rich. After fixing that THEN I may have noticed the valve cover dent and addressed it if needed. I just really like to do a quick compression check just to be sure I'm not trying to spend an hour or two "polishing a turd". Great videos,keep it up!
I saw that dented valve cover and having had that issue before i went for it. I could have left it out and gone to video 2 but i wanted to show what you think isn't always correct.
Hi. I picked up one of these series of mowers. Couldn't get it to run well. Smoking. Idling bad. Not shutting off right etc. There was a screw or was it a pin... that was glued in the carb. I had to heat it up, take it out, clean it, put it back, heat it, and reinstall it. It has run fine for 4 years since with lots of use and no issues.
Bruce, I just found your channel, I like watching your videos. I like fiddling with old mowers and generators also. I love anything Honda, I live in Arizona, so , the other end of the spectrum as you as far as weather is concerned. I think you are in Ontario. Keep up the good work, you will hear more from me !
Good fix there, I too thought initially it was needing a valve adjustment. After seeing the air filter was almost new. Singing a lot lately ehh, hopefully you’re shop is well ventilated with that much black smoke coming out
That was perfect, nice find on that linkage there. That is one you have to go looking for to find it. I knew you would find it, beautiful job, as always.
Holy smokes what a good diagnosis. Doctor Pender does it again. I was sure it was a bad key in the fly wheel after all the back firing. I'm bad. Once again, check simplest first. Great job.
Always check your linkages and your choke operation before going crazy on the parts cannon. Its great that you were able to repair that Honda. The older Snapper Lawn mowers are my favorite followed by the Older Honda mowers. I have one that I replaced the carburetor because of an intermitten issue with stalling. The thing is, its still doing it. I intend to replace the fuel line and the fuel shut off next. I suspect something keeps stopping up the fuel flow. The original carburetor was pretty much trash anyways but Now I think part of the fuel line internally keeps plugging up the fuel. When I jolt the mower around, it clears back up. So Its fuel related.
@@BrucesShop I got one two years ago from China. I found it invaluable to most carburetor repairs. If the ultrasonic cleaner doesn't work, its beyond repair. Thats the case with my Honda. Be careful what you are using in them. I found that the purple cleaner highly-rated dissolves the outer coating on most carburetors and the bowl, exposing it to future rust issues. It also discolors the metal to a grey color. It can etch the metal also, creating a rough texture. I found Simply Awesome and dawn dish detergent works best with the Ultrasonic cleaner. Don't go heavy with it eather. I found a mix of both works best with water. 1/3 Simply Awesome and a few drops of dawn after filling the container. Generally the solution is so contaminated after one use, I dump it out.
Mowers use 20 ounces of oil. Why are manufacturers only providing 18 ounces in the mower oil containers? Also, is mower oil any different than standard SAE 30 weight car motor oil?
To my knowledge mower oil is nothing different. -------18 ounces is 530 ml which is 1/2 a litre. I use a 1/2 litre when I change the oil. That may be it I just do't know.
In the factory shop manual, those covers are considered consumables (disposable); they instruct to 'install new cover' after a valve clearance adjustment. I keep a spare on hand, because they're so flimsy, and it cost about $5 U.S. from Jacks Small Engines (my main parts source, on this side of the border). Not as cool as forcing an old part to serve just fine for another ten years, though.
Not trying to be a Karen but I do not replace those valve covers either but I have heard the same thing. Not worth waiting on a part like that. I have a different procedure for different gaskets and if it sticks solid to the cover I use brake cleaner and then silicon. And for example for customers that keep using bad storage methods against my recommendations I started oiling carb gasket so they do not sick and I puff them back out with a strong solvent like carb cleaner hey if it was labor intensive new gaskets. on something fast I use my best judgement. My warranty is three months minimum so no harm. I am here because I have ran across a few Hondas that ran great but ran rich I am hoping for a trick LMBO. Have a super day everyone!!!!!!!
Great fix Master Bruce. It had me fooled also. That was an unusual problem a messed up linkage especially the way it looked. The screwdriver you use removing the brass jet is that an electrician screwdriver?
Bruce, ever break a steel bristle in the jet while cleaning it out? Happened to me the other day and ruined the jet. It was on a Coleman Powermate generator, 129cc engine with a Mikuni carb. Good thing I save old carbs! The replacement jet was $16. No way! Thanks, Bruce.
fun video bruce i enjoy it i thought also it was the valve cover, i was thinking the choke was stuck on the carb so i didnt think about the linkage good video all around bruce.
Hey bruce i have the same mower when i got it curb find it was missing the self propell bar and the cable was cut off any ideas of were to order those i am having trouble finding them
We all know the saying; if it ain't broke don't fix it. If my 26 year old John Deere self-propelled mower with a Briggs engine is still running fine, should I take off the carb to clean it?
The only electric mower i like is the 110 volt ac mower with a cord if the lawn is a small one. Like a duplex or ground level condo. Thanks again for everything you do and say.
I have two of those monsters and they are both doing the same thing. I changed the carb out on one of them, and cleaned out the second one the best I could, and they still are blowing out smoke and will only run good when its on full choke. HELP!!!
I had a mower just like that one and worked on a few but find them overrated. In my mind, much more complicated than a Briggs or Tecumseh. And people say,"yea, but it is a Honda it will last forever." How many Briggs have you had in your garage that are over 20 years old? Many. Now, how many people keep a mower 20 years? That's assuming one believes this Honda motor will outlast our lowly Briggs. Put me in the group that believes this motor is overrated.
How's she goin'? I think it's neat when you find the problem and then all the symptoms start to make sense as to why it mower was behaving the way it was. Almost like it's trying to tell you that you got the problem and thanks for fixing me!!! Nice job. Take 'er easy!!!
@@GrampiesWorkshop My screw up. I released both videos the same day. I wanted to schedule part 2 on Tuesday to save the confusion. My bad. Maybe I am losing it
@@BrucesShop On my Honda mower engine the throttle is wide open and the choke is closed .Once it starts the throttle goes to idle and opens the choke 1/2 way then the spring heater thing finishes opening it
I'm not a fan of that series of carburetor and choke set up. They all seem to have choke adjustment and linkage malfunction. And assembling all that junk on those two bolts can be a pain. Sorry done ranting.. thanks for the fun video.
After years of using up a lot of time making "Z" bends in wire to make linkages just as you have. Then I bought a "Z" bend pliers. Oh man, why didn't I buy these years ago. You might want to check it out. They are not that expensive.
Two pair of needle nosed pliers are all you need to make the "Z". Just make the big bend first then hold that steady with the big pliers and do the small bend in any direction you'd like with the smaller pliers.
Good detective work Mate!! As much as you work on that stuff, you need to treat yourself to some good z bend pliers or just a cheap z bend tool!! I'd send you one if it didn't cost $50 to ship over the border eh!!☺
I'm happy you fixed the linkage and adjusted the valve lash. Your efforts aren't in vain, Bruce. The engine sounds wonderful.
Thanks again 999
Have one Honda izy start 46 sens 20 years back and i have never seen dualblade on a hondamachine and i dont have dualblade ither . Still runs good , i change oil 1/year , airfilter sparkplug every 2/year. It was expensive when i bought it , but during the 20 years i have it i never have had a problem with it . I have followed you Bruce sens a while back and i must say i have learnd alot of you , thanks for the great videos you do. Best wiches from Sweden. 🇸🇪
Thanks for the great comment. Hakan
you can get that rod stock for making the linkage rods at a hobby shop that carries radio control plane supplies, and they would also have the special pliers for making the "Z" bend.
they are building a new plant here in Fort Worth Texas and will be making craftsman sockets and ratchets back in America again!!
Yes i have been hearing about that.
donyboy did a video with that tool
Hey....It's Casual Friday at the Pender Shop! And we're fortunate enough for TWO Friday videos! Is that a ballast fluorescent light ballast I hear humming? Have you thought about updating/upgrading to LED lights in the shop? From one that's done this, it makes a WORLD of difference and it's not very costly at all to do. One 5,000 lumen LED takes the place of three 4 foot double bulb fluorescent fixtures!! Not to mention the electricity savings. After I switched, my shop bill was cut in half. You can get LED replacement bulbs for your existing fixtures that are plug and play that work with or without a ballast. So if a ballast blows, a simple rewire and you're back in business. Excellent work on the ole Honda! All it takes is determination right? Cheers my Good Friend! Sean~
Yes I have thought about going LED especially after your conversion. Time is the key. ie finding some.
Good to see someone still take the time and troubleshoot the real cause of trouble and try to fix the old parts or improvise, 👍
Most mechanics are reduced to part changers now.
Thanks
That was a fun one. Very satisfying to be able to make or remake a part.
Very nice, both part 1 and 2. I liked the beginning of this video. It was running so rich that you were shooting flames out of the exhaust lol.
It was kind of fun.
What puzzles me is how that chock lever got messed up in the first place , it was a great video and very informative . I have an old Honda with the old manual choke - runs like a charm .
Yes. I think all yard stuff should be manual choke. Even with no cable. Right on the unit.
Thanks for the reply Bruce. You have saved my day alot by watching you videos. I did replace the carb on one of them, and tried to clean out the second one, but the emulsion tube was so stuck in there it would not come out. I will try cleaning them out one more time and see what happens. You also need to make a video on how to repair a frozen blade brake clutch on these monsters. I had to farm that one out to the repair shop to get that fixed. Dave Anderson
Here is one from an older 214. It may help
th-cam.com/video/keyTVlD1klc/w-d-xo.html
I always start at the beginning. Compression then fuel(since you know it has spark,or at least some from it running,albeit poorly). Then I'd have checked air filter and then choke. Saw it was running obviously rich. After fixing that THEN I may have noticed the valve cover dent and addressed it if needed. I just really like to do a quick compression check just to be sure I'm not trying to spend an hour or two "polishing a turd". Great videos,keep it up!
I saw that dented valve cover and having had that issue before i went for it. I could have left it out and gone to video 2 but i wanted to show what you think isn't always correct.
Good fix Bruce and the wardrobe changes were good too. hope the weather has been for guys, it’s the first day of summer today.
Right. The sun comes up at 430 am and it is still bright out at 930 PM We are a ways north.
Those "red wing lounge slippers" with the steel toe are all the rage now for weekends and puttering in the garage...lol
Yes the are certified. lol
Hi. I picked up one of these series of mowers. Couldn't get it to run well. Smoking. Idling bad. Not shutting off right etc. There was a screw or was it a pin... that was glued in the carb. I had to heat it up, take it out, clean it, put it back, heat it, and reinstall it. It has run fine for 4 years since with lots of use and no issues.
Great story. Thanks
So sweet !! Great job and figuring the real problem out. I continue to learn from you. Thanks !
We all learn everyday. Thanks again.
Bruce, I just found your channel, I like watching your videos. I like fiddling with old mowers and generators also. I love anything Honda, I live in Arizona, so , the other end of the spectrum as you as far as weather is concerned. I think you are in Ontario. Keep up the good work, you will hear more from me !
Well I am 2300 miles west of there. lol
Thanks Bruce, I learned a couple of useful things from this vid. As ALWAYS. You are brilliant.
Well brilliant?? ----not really. lol
Good fix there, I too thought initially it was needing a valve adjustment. After seeing the air filter was almost new.
Singing a lot lately ehh, hopefully you’re shop is well ventilated with that much black smoke coming out
It is. Sometimes I have to run and open a door or 2.
That was perfect, nice find on that linkage there. That is one you have to go looking for to find it. I knew you would find it, beautiful job, as always.
Thanks Paul
Holy smokes what a good diagnosis. Doctor Pender does it again. I was sure it was a bad key in the fly wheel after all the back firing. I'm bad. Once again, check simplest first. Great job.
It caught me too.
Nice repair...you did well to notice the damaged linkage, I'd have been staring at that for hours lol
I missed it in round 1
Bruce you have shown us all your tools but never said what you are using for a camera? Im curious, an iPhone, actual movie camera, or something else?
I use an Olympus Tough TG850. With a flip up screen not a flip to the side. It has a built in stereo mike. I love it but it is wearing out.
Always check your linkages and your choke operation before going crazy on the parts cannon. Its great that you were able to repair that Honda. The older Snapper Lawn mowers are my favorite followed by the Older Honda mowers. I have one that I replaced the carburetor because of an intermitten issue with stalling. The thing is, its still doing it. I intend to replace the fuel line and the fuel shut off next. I suspect something keeps stopping up the fuel flow. The original carburetor was pretty much trash anyways but Now I think part of the fuel line internally keeps plugging up the fuel. When I jolt the mower around, it clears back up. So Its fuel related.
Do you have a sonic cleaner??
@@BrucesShop I got one two years ago from China. I found it invaluable to most carburetor repairs. If the ultrasonic cleaner doesn't work, its beyond repair. Thats the case with my Honda. Be careful what you are using in them. I found that the purple cleaner highly-rated dissolves the outer coating on most carburetors and the bowl, exposing it to future rust issues. It also discolors the metal to a grey color. It can etch the metal also, creating a rough texture. I found Simply Awesome and dawn dish detergent works best with the Ultrasonic cleaner. Don't go heavy with it eather. I found a mix of both works best with water. 1/3 Simply Awesome and a few drops of dawn after filling the container. Generally the solution is so contaminated after one use, I dump it out.
Would it not be easier or less messy to tip the mower over and then screw out the oil dipstick to drain the oil? Less likely to spill any oil.
I think i would get IL all over my hands as it loosens. Thanks though I might give it a try.
Mowers use 20 ounces of oil. Why are manufacturers only providing 18 ounces in the mower oil containers?
Also, is mower oil any different than standard SAE 30 weight car motor oil?
To my knowledge mower oil is nothing different. -------18 ounces is 530 ml which is 1/2 a litre. I use a 1/2 litre when I change the oil. That may be it I just do't know.
Good mower and good repair. Hope they get the fire out as soon as possible.
There are still folks evacuated.
I am talking about our forest fires not the fire out of the muffler. lol
In the factory shop manual, those covers are considered consumables (disposable); they instruct to 'install new cover' after a valve clearance adjustment. I keep a spare on hand, because they're so flimsy, and it cost about $5 U.S. from Jacks Small Engines (my main parts source, on this side of the border). Not as cool as forcing an old part to serve just fine for another ten years, though.
Yes i agree. For me it is money and time for shipping way out here. Thanks for the great comment.
Not trying to be a Karen but I do not replace those valve covers either but I have heard the same thing. Not worth waiting on a part like that. I have a different procedure for different gaskets and if it sticks solid to the cover I use brake cleaner and then silicon. And for example for customers that keep using bad storage methods against my recommendations I started oiling carb gasket so they do not sick and I puff them back out with a strong solvent like carb cleaner hey if it was labor intensive new gaskets. on something fast I use my best judgement. My warranty is three months minimum so no harm. I am here because I have ran across a few Hondas that ran great but ran rich I am hoping for a trick LMBO. Have a super day everyone!!!!!!!
Great fix Master Bruce. It had me fooled also. That was an unusual problem a messed up linkage especially the way it looked. The screwdriver you use removing the brass jet is that an electrician screwdriver?
Yes. But it has no widened shank which makes it perfect for removing the jets.
As they might say on the curse of oak island, That's a Top Pocket Video.
Have you tried stainless steel bicycle spokes for choke linkages?
Interesting. No I have not but I have used the stainless steel antennae for the old 2 way radios. LOL
how many Honda's do you have to adjust the valves lol i find most Honda's have need only after many hours and it seems like mostly exhaust valves
if you work/rebuild a mower motor off its frame what do you use for a dummy blade for a load ?
I end up putting it on a frame with a blade sorry for the lame answer.
Bruce, ever break a steel bristle in the jet while cleaning it out? Happened to me the other day and ruined the jet. It was on a Coleman Powermate generator, 129cc engine with a Mikuni carb. Good thing I save old carbs! The replacement jet was $16. No way! Thanks, Bruce.
I have. I tired to drill it out and wrecked it even more.
fun video bruce i enjoy it i thought also it was the valve cover, i was thinking the choke was stuck on the carb so i didnt think about the linkage good video all around bruce.
It tricked me.
@@BrucesShop that's always the problem you least expect or you forget about for a little bit till after the fact.
Hey bruce i have the same mower when i got it curb find it was missing the self propell bar and the cable was cut off any ideas of were to order those i am having trouble finding them
This will help. Just click onto your model and search the parts diagrams. Very easy.
www.hondalawnparts.com/honda-hrr-lawn-mower-parts
Plano power equipment out of Texas. They specialize in Honda’s.
From watching videos with black smoke from the Hondas, it looks like it's a carburetor issue. Either dirty or a carb. gasket.
IOn this one the choke linkage was too short So I made a new linkage.
Bruce do you have a video of a craftman 3 hp gas edger ? If you do please send me the link. I have just gotten free and it needs some work.
Sorry I don't
Nice little fix my friend
Thanks All in saving a buck eh!!!!!
Hi, is sae30 oil ok in a 5.5 Tecumseh ohc 2 stage snowblower? I live in NYC. Should have I used 5w30?
Michael Alishayev 5w-30 is for winter use so yes.
@@berardia4 should I replace the sae30 oil with 5w30?
yes.
We all know the saying; if it ain't broke don't fix it. If my 26 year old John Deere self-propelled mower with a Briggs engine is still running fine, should I take off the carb to clean it?
I wouldn't if it is running good.
Thanks Bruce
Bruce wins again! And you saved the fair maiden from the horrors of electric mowers.
The only electric mower i like is the 110 volt ac mower with a cord if the lawn is a small one. Like a duplex or ground level condo. Thanks again for everything you do and say.
Is this the mower you replaced the transmission on?
No sir. This one was one that I fixed the rewind on years ago. Thanks
I have two of those monsters and they are both doing the same thing. I changed the carb out on one of them, and cleaned out the second one the best I could, and they still are blowing out smoke and will only run good when its on full choke. HELP!!!
I think the carbs need to be jetted. It can't hurt now. Lots to look up there on YT.
Really nice how that turned out ! 👍
I had a mower just like that one and worked on a few but find them overrated. In my mind, much more complicated than a Briggs or Tecumseh. And people say,"yea, but it is a Honda it will last forever." How many Briggs have you had in your garage that are over 20 years old? Many. Now, how many people keep a mower 20 years? That's assuming one believes this Honda motor will outlast our lowly Briggs. Put me in the group that believes this motor is overrated.
I don't think it is the motor. It is all the added on luxuries that break.
Hi Yogi!!! Good fix my friend it was good video how rough it can be sometimes.
How's she goin'? I think it's neat when you find the problem and then all the symptoms start to make sense as to why it mower was behaving the way it was. Almost like it's trying to tell you that you got the problem and thanks for fixing me!!! Nice job. Take 'er easy!!!
This video is older Did You Tube promote it?
I got it I released this video a few days early.
@@BrucesShop Don't know ...
@@GrampiesWorkshop My screw up. I released both videos the same day. I wanted to schedule part 2 on Tuesday to save the confusion. My bad. Maybe I am losing it
these two have just come up for me. not a bad thing though I am shelling bucket of peas ;-) glad you sussed it out.
Great job
Again thanks.
Like Robert de Niro saying in the movie « Analyse This » ....You you’re good! 🤣
I have one of these, and I find it easier to take the whole throttle plate off so I can stack it all on the bolts through the carb and mount it
As long as you have a system that works. Very cool.
Great video bruce .... i really hate working on hondas like this ... the whole carb assembly is ridiculous. #smallenginenation #keepwrenchin
The long assembly pins from Dave Ackerman help a lot.
@@BrucesShop nice
Boy was I wrong ..I was sure you made sure the choke was open in the first video...I will admit defeat and return to my corner and sulk and pout
It was crazy the way that lever just help the choke closed.
@@BrucesShop On my Honda mower engine the throttle is wide open and the choke is closed .Once it starts the throttle goes to idle and opens the choke 1/2 way then the spring heater thing finishes opening it
@@not2fast4u2c They almost have too much stuff on them.
Well done mr B
Thank you
Ah ha that's why I seem to be getting more subs. Excellent work my friend. The old choke not releasing deal ....of course👍
Well that is fun . More subs.
Awesome job Bruce
That feeling when it works. Wish it lasted longer.
No kidding. Thanks
I'm not a fan of that series of carburetor and choke set up. They all seem to have choke adjustment and linkage malfunction. And assembling all that junk on those two bolts can be a pain. Sorry done ranting.. thanks for the fun video.
You are right. Some seem easier to put back together than these.
Enjoyed this video ill have to try and bend the linkages instead of always getting new ones
These stainless ones are hard to bend.
Hangar 9 Z-Bender Pliers, HAN119. I HAVE THIS ONE, WORKS GREAT
After years of using up a lot of time making "Z" bends in wire to make linkages just as you have. Then I bought a "Z" bend pliers. Oh man, why didn't I buy these years ago. You might want to check it out. They are not that expensive.
I am going to do that. Thanks
You had flames coming out the exhaust !
Cool eh!!!!!
Is that how you clean off the spark arrestor ? 🤔🙃
@@8ftbed hmm ------------------no lol
Two pair of needle nosed pliers are all you need to make the "Z". Just make the big bend first then hold that steady with the big pliers and do the small bend in any direction you'd like with the smaller pliers.
That is how i have been doing it. Thanks for the help .
Awesome Bruce
Remanufactured and better than new!
right, it was fun
nice tip for aligning the carb. That was a bad design change going from the nuts to those bolts.
Al's Repair and Restoration what is the advantage of using the pins over just the bolts themselves? Seems like an extra step.
Andrew T it's a real p.i.t.a. to get everything alligned and then try to screw in the bolts at same time.
Thanks for the pin idea.
sideburns were in style ( for both men AND women ) when THAT lawnmower was new .... jus say'n
That is funny !!!!
Good detective work Mate!! As much as you work on that stuff, you need to treat yourself to some good z bend pliers or just a cheap z bend tool!! I'd send you one if it didn't cost $50 to ship over the border eh!!☺
You are right. Would a tool like that work on these thicker rods?
I think they are good up to 1/16 in (.062 in) (1.6mm)
@@805ROADKING I am getting one. thanks RK
Hondas are a pita compared to the briggs an techs. to over engineered takes 25 hands to put carbs back on even with the rods lol
I agree. they are good engines but harder to work on.