'At the beginning, I had negative sympathy towards everyone, and at the end, I didn't hate all of them - except Heathcliff' 😂That basically sums up my experience. This guy is so eloquent and funny.
Such a great discussion. This is my favourite novel (so I'm biased), but I think it's such an amazing book. What sticks out to me is it's a book written by a motherless author all about motherless children. There's so much trauma in it. I do wonder if it was a kind of therapy for Emily to write it.
This is the first video I've seen from you guys, but it was SO great. And refreshing to see someone just unabashedly hate Heathcliff. It's TOTALLY a book that I hate so much I love it. It's so attention grabbing and gets me so invested in what's happening. The part about Heathcliff being the only actor, and striding through the story like a titan? SO true. Can't wait to dig through this channel and find more stuff like this :D
This was so very interesting! I think David really hit on something…that you may feel very different about a book after you think about it and discuss it! I love this!
I think I have an "in-between" opinion. The writing is so lovely and the story compelling, but it's so cynical and the constant melodrama is a lot to emotionally keep up with. Other books dip in and out of drama, WH keeps it at 11/10 consistently.
I recently read Wuthering Heights with my high schooler for summer reading. It was so cute seeing you interact together. I feel the same as David how could you hate this book and not love it at the same time. It was such a great book.
This was a wonderful discussion between you two! How awesome that you got your husband to read Wuthering Heights. 📖 I haven’t read it since I was 15 and now I really want to reread it after hearing you guys talk about it. I did find the characters unlikeable, but like you Kate I did sympathize a lot with them.
Great video! I hated this book when I first read it in my early twenties and then when I reread it last Victober I loved it. The key for me was knowing the second time around that it was a miserable book and not a love story lol. The first time I had just finished reading and loving Jane Eyre, one of the best books ever written, when I next picked up and read Wuthering Heights and I think that made my reading experience with this book all the more repugnant. I now appreciate Emily's brilliance and this book too. So yay.
You guys are convincing me to give Wuthering Heights another shot. I did not think that was possible! You're reaction when David realized he liked it was priceless!
So fun! You know, the first time I read WH (which was only a couple years ago), I kept saying that I didn't like it *but* I thought about it _all the time!_ 😆 Heck, I thought about it for months after finishing it! I remember thinking/wondering how in the world could this "awful" book be something that has stood the test of time? In my mind, the characters were all unlikeable and the relationships were so toxic! Of course, I get it now! 🙄 It's so beautifully written and I have since learned that I don't _have_ to like the charceters in order to appreciate the story. My recent reread was - dare I say - enjoyable! 😬 Thanks to your husband for sharing his thoughts! 📚
This was such a fun video, Kate! You two make a fantastic literary analysis team. Loved the realization in the end haha! I agree with you about having a lot of sympathy for Cathy and Heathcliff, even though I don’t like them. I can’t help being invested in their story for some reason. I think that must be a real testament to Emily Bronte’s writing style for me.
This was fantastic! Loved it! Wuthering Heights is one of my favorite books of all time. Emily is the only Bronte that can get me so sucked into a story, so very invested in characters I'd never want to meet in real life... Emily was brilliant!
I loved this! I can't wait to finish up my reread and discuss WH on Saturday! You guys brought up so many interesting points! Ultimately, it's the intensity and complexity of Wuthering Heights that makes me love it as well. P.S. How on earth could I get my husband to read and discuss books with me? lol
Hi, thanks for this discussion. About the Cathy “ghost “ episode. As I remember it, Mr. Lockwood was the new tenant and during the night he was reading through a diary written by Cathy Earnshaw. He could have dreamed of the figure at the window because of what he read. There is another important person though; possibly the most important character, Nelly Dean. It was her who was telling the story throughout as she was an eyewitness and most of the narrative is her account of events. Emily Bronte uses Nelly to make sense of those events. Do you notice whenever anything significant happens there is a cut back to the conversation between her and Lockwood? It adds to the drama!
I love this video so much! Withering Heights is full of terrible people. It is suffocating to read. It is still my favorite classic. Excellent job recruiting David. :)
Great discussion. Loved getting to see David and his neutral perspective. I think he's right about an anti hero. Some people love them but others need someone to root for and a balance between light and dark. I'm interested in reading Ruth but can't tell from what you've said and GR reviews if there's balance like there seems to be in Cranferd and Agnes Grey . If a victorian book dips more toward the dark side I'm not going to read it because that's my anxiety threshold. If I have questions on a certain book I'd really appreciate your guidance. My other resource has become my 12 grade bible lit teacher on Facebook who also taught classics. My special ed teachers wouldn't allow me to take AP English in high school. You're my introduction to literature at the age of 43. BTW really enjoying Thornyhold.
Every time I hear 'Wuthering Heights' discussed, I want to read it again, because it's fascinating to me how different peoples' perspectives on it are, which I think is a sign of Emily Bronte's genius. I watched Jennifer Brooks's critique of it after seeing your recommendation & was both fascinated & appalled by the edition she had, which basically presented it as a something in the same vein as 'Twilight', (Just realized I made an unintended pun. "Vein" Ha!), with the slogan on the front saying "Love never dies". I first read the book in my twenties & saw it then as a passionate love story, but reading it again two years ago, in my late 40s, I saw it not as a love story, but as an example of toxic obsession. I was interested to note your seeing it as a story of redemption, whereas I saw it as a story of original sin, where one man's sexual obsession & pathological need for revenge, which cannot be quenched, rings down through the generations, with ramifications for future generations long after the principals are dead. I think their impact on the present & future generations is why the novel is set in the past & why the principals are still stirring in their graves. I closed the book on my second reading wondering what wrongs committed by & against our ancestors may be the origins of the present family dysfunctions of their unwitting descendants? What also fascinates me about the book is how many of Emily's contemporaries assumed it must have been written by her brother, Branwell, because women at that time were assumed to be asexual, incapable of sexual desire, much less understanding of sexual obsession. (This explains why lesbianism was not a crime, but male homosexuality was a capital offense.) BTW, if you've never seen this Intelligence Squared debate with scholars pitting Emily Bronte against Jane Austen, with professional actors acting out key scenes, set aside a couple of hours to watch the following, as you're in for a treat. th-cam.com/video/mP8dllTkpEg/w-d-xo.html
I loved this video ! I really liked the discussion about how there are no protagonists in the book. I've been trying to think of another book where there are no protagonists and so far haven't been able to. Is there a word for a character like Heathcliff - he is definitely the villain but he is also the main character (thus making him the protagonist). I agree with David that is you have a villain, you need a hero. So, who is the hero of Wuthering Heights?
I talked to Aaron about this and we had an interesting discussion. One question that came out of it was, who is the moral center in the story? Aaron thinks you can have a villain without a hero, but he did ask who was the moral center. Could the reader be the moral center?
Wuthering Heights is one of those books I think I read at the wrong time. I read it when I was 16 and hated it, I'm now 28 and looking back I really think I should reread it. As I definitely think I could understand it more.
I read it in my 50's and really hated it. Mostly because so many people view it as a love story, and Heathcliff is a horrible, horrible person, not capable of love. But maybe there is redemption in Cathy 2 and the Hindley's son.
Congrats and well done to you David on your reading 📖 this classic book 📖 but not happy with your saying that you hate this amazing book 📖 please stay safe and enjoy your reading 📖 to you both love your Australia fan John xxx
I love Victorian literature but this is such a hard read for me. I strongly dislike it, although I can appreciate it. After re-reading it a few months ago, I really felt like I needed therapy. 😆
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I love the husbands. They bring such a different energy that it can be funny.
'At the beginning, I had negative sympathy towards everyone, and at the end, I didn't hate all of them - except Heathcliff' 😂That basically sums up my experience. This guy is so eloquent and funny.
I loved the realisation on David’s face when he said he liked it 😂
I was so happy when he decided he liked it! Watching him get to that point was like a fast forward/rapid fire version of my process with it 😂
I love the way David approached this task so wholeheartedly.
Such a great discussion. This is my favourite novel (so I'm biased), but I think it's such an amazing book. What sticks out to me is it's a book written by a motherless author all about motherless children. There's so much trauma in it. I do wonder if it was a kind of therapy for Emily to write it.
This is the first video I've seen from you guys, but it was SO great. And refreshing to see someone just unabashedly hate Heathcliff. It's TOTALLY a book that I hate so much I love it. It's so attention grabbing and gets me so invested in what's happening. The part about Heathcliff being the only actor, and striding through the story like a titan? SO true. Can't wait to dig through this channel and find more stuff like this :D
This was so very interesting! I think David really hit on something…that you may feel very different about a book after you think about it and discuss it! I love this!
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
35:43 Great Taste David 👍🏼👏🏼 Also that wasabi comparison was on point 👌🏼😹
I think you two have convinced me to give Wuthering Heights a try! 😆
I loved seeing you and David discussing a book together. So much fun!
I think I have an "in-between" opinion. The writing is so lovely and the story compelling, but it's so cynical and the constant melodrama is a lot to emotionally keep up with. Other books dip in and out of drama, WH keeps it at 11/10 consistently.
It is incredibly emotionally exhausting!
I recently read Wuthering Heights with my high schooler for summer reading. It was so cute seeing you interact together. I feel the same as David how could you hate this book and not love it at the same time. It was such a great book.
This was a wonderful discussion between you two! How awesome that you got your husband to read Wuthering Heights. 📖 I haven’t read it since I was 15 and now I really want to reread it after hearing you guys talk about it. I did find the characters unlikeable, but like you Kate I did sympathize a lot with them.
Great video! I hated this book when I first read it in my early twenties and then when I reread it last Victober I loved it. The key for me was knowing the second time around that it was a miserable book and not a love story lol. The first time I had just finished reading and loving Jane Eyre, one of the best books ever written, when I next picked up and read Wuthering Heights and I think that made my reading experience with this book all the more repugnant. I now appreciate Emily's brilliance and this book too. So yay.
You guys are convincing me to give Wuthering Heights another shot. I did not think that was possible! You're reaction when David realized he liked it was priceless!
Loved this discussion! So many great points that I hadn't really thought about before.
Love this video! And your coffee mug☺️
I'm with David on everything here!
I only watched the spoiler free part but I loved the discussion, hope you might do this again in the future 😊
So fun! You know, the first time I read WH (which was only a couple years ago), I kept saying that I didn't like it *but* I thought about it _all the time!_ 😆 Heck, I thought about it for months after finishing it! I remember thinking/wondering how in the world could this "awful" book be something that has stood the test of time? In my mind, the characters were all unlikeable and the relationships were so toxic! Of course, I get it now! 🙄 It's so beautifully written and I have since learned that I don't _have_ to like the charceters in order to appreciate the story. My recent reread was - dare I say - enjoyable! 😬 Thanks to your husband for sharing his thoughts! 📚
I really enjoy this !! Interesting insight to what he thinks about wuthering height and Jane eyre abit .🙂❤️
This was such a fun video, Kate! You two make a fantastic literary analysis team. Loved the realization in the end haha! I agree with you about having a lot of sympathy for Cathy and Heathcliff, even though I don’t like them. I can’t help being invested in their story for some reason. I think that must be a real testament to Emily Bronte’s writing style for me.
Loved the discussion!
This was fantastic! Loved it! Wuthering Heights is one of my favorite books of all time. Emily is the only Bronte that can get me so sucked into a story, so very invested in characters I'd never want to meet in real life... Emily was brilliant!
This conversation cracks me up. Kathy 1 and Kathy 2! 🤣🤣 So great to see Dave's reactions!
I loved this! I can't wait to finish up my reread and discuss WH on Saturday! You guys brought up so many interesting points! Ultimately, it's the intensity and complexity of Wuthering Heights that makes me love it as well.
P.S. How on earth could I get my husband to read and discuss books with me? lol
Super cute!!!
Hi, thanks for this discussion. About the Cathy “ghost “ episode. As I remember it, Mr. Lockwood was the new tenant and during the night he was reading through a diary written by Cathy Earnshaw. He could have dreamed of the figure at the window because of what he read. There is another important person though; possibly the most important character, Nelly Dean. It was her who was telling the story throughout as she was an eyewitness and most of the narrative is her account of events. Emily Bronte uses Nelly to make sense of those events. Do you notice whenever anything significant happens there is a cut back to the conversation between her and Lockwood? It adds to the drama!
That's such a good point about Lockwood reading the diary! That definitely could have gone into his psyche before he slept.
I love this video so much! Withering Heights is full of terrible people. It is suffocating to read. It is still my favorite classic. Excellent job recruiting David. :)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Great discussion. Loved getting to see David and his neutral perspective. I think he's right about an anti hero. Some people love them but others need someone to root for and a balance between light and dark.
I'm interested in reading Ruth but can't tell from what you've said and GR reviews if there's balance like there seems to be in Cranferd and Agnes Grey . If a victorian book dips more toward the dark side I'm not going to read it because that's my anxiety threshold. If I have questions on a certain book I'd really appreciate your guidance. My other resource has become my 12 grade bible lit teacher on Facebook who also taught classics. My special ed teachers wouldn't allow me to take AP English in high school. You're my introduction to literature at the age of 43. BTW really enjoying Thornyhold.
This mimics how I processed Wuthering Heights as well lol
Every time I hear 'Wuthering Heights' discussed, I want to read it again, because it's fascinating to me how different peoples' perspectives on it are, which I think is a sign of Emily Bronte's genius.
I watched Jennifer Brooks's critique of it after seeing your recommendation & was both fascinated & appalled by the edition she had, which basically presented it as a something in the same vein as 'Twilight', (Just realized I made an unintended pun. "Vein" Ha!), with the slogan on the front saying "Love never dies".
I first read the book in my twenties & saw it then as a passionate love story, but reading it again two years ago, in my late 40s, I saw it not as a love story, but as an example of toxic obsession.
I was interested to note your seeing it as a story of redemption, whereas I saw it as a story of original sin, where one man's sexual obsession & pathological need for revenge, which cannot be quenched, rings down through the generations, with ramifications for future generations long after the principals are dead. I think their impact on the present & future generations is why the novel is set in the past & why the principals are still stirring in their graves.
I closed the book on my second reading wondering what wrongs committed by & against our ancestors may be the origins of the present family dysfunctions of their unwitting descendants?
What also fascinates me about the book is how many of Emily's contemporaries assumed it must have been written by her brother, Branwell, because women at that time were assumed to be asexual, incapable of sexual desire, much less understanding of sexual obsession. (This explains why lesbianism was not a crime, but male homosexuality was a capital offense.)
BTW, if you've never seen this Intelligence Squared debate with scholars pitting Emily Bronte against Jane Austen, with professional actors acting out key scenes, set aside a couple of hours to watch the following, as you're in for a treat.
th-cam.com/video/mP8dllTkpEg/w-d-xo.html
I loved this video ! I really liked the discussion about how there are no protagonists in the book. I've been trying to think of another book where there are no protagonists and so far haven't been able to. Is there a word for a character like Heathcliff - he is definitely the villain but he is also the main character (thus making him the protagonist). I agree with David that is you have a villain, you need a hero. So, who is the hero of Wuthering Heights?
I talked to Aaron about this and we had an interesting discussion. One question that came out of it was, who is the moral center in the story? Aaron thinks you can have a villain without a hero, but he did ask who was the moral center. Could the reader be the moral center?
Maybe it's the next generation. Everyone else is too weak to be heroic.
Wuthering Heights is one of those books I think I read at the wrong time. I read it when I was 16 and hated it, I'm now 28 and looking back I really think I should reread it. As I definitely think I could understand it more.
It's definitely a book you need to be in the mood for because it does not let up with its intensity.
I read it in my 50's and really hated it. Mostly because so many people view it as a love story, and Heathcliff is a horrible, horrible person, not capable of love. But maybe there is redemption in Cathy 2 and the Hindley's son.
Congrats and well done to you David on your reading 📖 this classic book 📖 but not happy with your saying that you hate this amazing book 📖 please stay safe and enjoy your reading 📖 to you both love your Australia fan John xxx
John, I think if you watch to the end you might find something different!
@@katehowereads no worries will do that
@@katehowereads David i am really really sorry 😐 as I should have watched it till the end
@@johnsaxongitno4life588 I was surprised at his total change of heart!
@@katehowereads you and me both what is he reading 📖 next
I hated it too
I love Victorian literature but this is such a hard read for me. I strongly dislike it, although I can appreciate it. After re-reading it a few months ago, I really felt like I needed therapy. 😆
But is it about love?
Okay, No. just No. I was so into this video Kate, up until 32:33. Just unacceptable. 😭
Bye. 😆
I'm so glad he came over to the dark side. 😂