Understood. Hey Creganford, I have a topic that you would probably love to dig into. There's a youtuber whose channel is called "Understanding Conspiracy" who has made a series of videos about his theory that the Western concept of "Clowns" was based on depictions of east-asian demons, such as Indian Rakshasah or Japanese Oni. And the similarities are staggering, once you start to look. There's also a lot of weird parrallels between Circuses and medieval magical rituals ( A ceremonial master stands in a magic circle, waving a wand and speaks the words, and summons spirits/demons. A circus Master stands in a CIRCLE, makes an announcement, and who enters the scene? The clowns) It's fascinating stuff. Unfortunately, the guy is fundamentalist Christian, and has fully convinced himself that these are actual demons, that want to enter our world. You know, because these people always take the most deranged, paranoid angle on everything. But still, I think the topic deserves a second look by someone more scientifically minded. Look for "The Nephilim Clown Connection" (Yeah I know...🙄)
The prize is helping many Universities, students and other academics perform research allowing us to understand who we are. I feel I've helped the world just a little bit in getting better.
The paint job may have changed but humans are the same as they have always been. I find it humorous that we deal with the same drama as our ancient ancestors.
@thomasjamison2050 It's almost as if women, as men are individual humans with a myriad of life experiences-good and bad- that they bring to each human relationship. "Creature". Nice.
Firstly: earned a new fan, you do great work! Delighted to have stumbled upon you. Secondly: ~20min mark, that brought back MEMORIES 🤣 i went to a quite... 🤔 let's go with "classical education" (a lot of philosophy, theology, myrhology, logic, rhetoric, history, major sciences, classical languages, etc) academy growing up; and at age... 13? I think? We were doing something similar to this video, examining commonalities in myths, and (bearing in mind it was m&f students) we came across the topic of (what i have to compress for Utoob bots) as "vaginadentata" and... 🤣 in short, it made ALL of us, who were excitedly starting shifting from friends with the oposite sex to deeper connections; that was put on immediate hold for a few weeks 🤣 while we all tried SO HARD to banish that mental image. Just thought you'd enjoy a laugh! And your excellent work has earned you a new subscriber, and i'll be sharing it around too. Cheers!
I'm betting a lot of these prehistoric wives were not happy about being taken from their home, especially by certain men, and wanting to go home or take her chances on a better mate, hubby may have mysteriously fallen ill and croaked, but, even though they lacked the forensics, it was still suspected the wife had some mysterious connection to the death. If she was really unhappy, he may have been found dead missing a certain offending appendage.
Thank you, Jon. I now have the correct term for my situation. Virilogical domiciliation. I'm Aussie. My wife is Filipina from Mindanao. I moved there to live with her.
That was a deep plunge into my deepest memories as a young girl, growing up in South-East Alentejo. - I always suspected that the old women telling me horrible tales of anthropophagy were very close to the regional Neanderthal ancestry! :))))))))))))))) I grew up listening to such myths. It was brutal, Jon! (I am not repeating it to my grandchildren.) Thank you. I wish you a lovely weekend. Greetings, from sunny Lisbon.
Better to write down and pass to an anthropologist/ethnogapher: just stopping telling them means a cultural loss. I am gathering old tales that were told during "filò" (family gatherings into the stables) to pass them down my nephews. The procession of mysterious men coming down the hills with tea lamps, the red sprite that taught men to make cheese and used to trick them by transforming into a too much heavy kindling, the water spirits with goat legs that loved to drown young men down the river and so on.
I'm not so familiar with African myth and foklore yet, although I am reading about it where I can. And so one day I will try and cover this and other interesting tales.
I dont know how I never connected myths to clues into our prehistory behaviors and rituals! I feel so dumb but also super excited with this information! I love your academic break downs of how myths and rituals. You deserve all of the likes! ❤
Also, how can I learn the more academic side of mythology? What I mean is, I want to learn more about the methods you use to find origins of myths and the connecting cultures that exchanged them.. would that be a type of class or something outside of college I could find? I want to obtain a interdisciplinary MA and Phd that uses myths, anthropology with evolution, biology, and other social sciences.... its a lot but they are all intertwined and important! Any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated 😅
There is no one course, a social science, anthropology or religious history. But to do what I show you need funding, research grants, and that is a whole different challenge at MA or PhD level.
@@Wolv94 if you can find a particular myth or group of myths that ignite your soul, start there! Learning the culture, early history and accounts...that would be a good way to get started, before stepping your foot in academia... some libraries might connect you to academic databases as well. Good luck! ❤ 😊 🦬☀️
I can understand your reticence to speak freely about the matter. It's an awful phenomenon of modern society that intellectual discussions about distasteful aspects of human behaviour can be seen as condoning such behaviour. I hope at some point that you are able to put together something that has sufficient warnings for the more emotive listener to understand that acknowledgement and understanding isn't the same as condoning and encouraging.
Ot better yet, instead of trigger warnings and content warnings, what if adults were adult enough to watch what they like, and click away if they don't like it? Simple.
@@linagreenlyfe6705 or realized that lots of "urban legends" held by ppl are rooted in a mix of mystery. Men fundamentally didn't understand women, who regularly bled, could create life, and may die doing so. "What is the glory of the female body". From our perspectives, men's body do not change that much compared over the woman's life and the myth of the maiden, the wife/morher, the crone, versus the "unchanging" make experience. This is why women's medicine was cultivated and passed down. It was better when women's experience was validated
Thank you Professor for another great video. I’m so interested to methodologies and your profession that I’d ask… if someone would like to follow your path, what is the academic path? Like, enrolling in which university?Anthropology? I’m Italian and I don’t know anybody in my circle studying these topics
Anthropology or religious history, or a social science. It really depends on your interests. Certainly all universities will have channels to help you decide the best course for you.
It would be interesting if you could cover circumcision in ritual practice in various Indo-European religions and what the original significance could be??
Anthropology and Comparative Mythology are certainly within your grasp. Also, I think a lot of his work comes from comparing Proto Indo-European root words, so you could study Indo-European linguistics for that.
I just assumed that taking a women's virginity would cause many of them to bleed, this would lead to the male believing he had been bitten after he withdrew. I reckon the older folk telling these stories must have had a right laugh at the expense of the young lads. 😁👍❤️
This is very funny but I think there’s a common misconception underlying what you’ve said. The reality is the hymen can stretch and doesn’t need to be broken. Hymens are inconistent in how open/closed they are and they can also stretch unintentionally during general activity, this means some people will never have any issue. But if need be the hymen can be stretched intentionally to avoid injury during first intercourse. So while it can break and therefore bleed in some instances, often just due to ignorance, bleeding is more consistent with sexual trauma than anything else
22:01 I wonder since humans lived with the animals and more importantly insects to this conversation, that they may have associated the behaviours of female animals that killed their mates and then became convinced this would occur with their own female species. [Spiders, praying mantis, etc] But to the point on taking a wife from neighbouring villages, with the motif of a second mouth, there may have been the Myth discussion of a woman who was taken away by force and she killed that man after he forced himself upon her. Given the paleolithic period it would not surprise me that women were raised to be aggressive and survivalist the same as men.
The second point is interesting. It's hard to grasp the specifics, though. Maybe a closer look at more recent "spouse-stealing" cultures like the Mongols or some South American tribes can shed some light into that.
@@juliahenriques210 my first thought when listening to Jon speak was my recalling of the passage in the Christian Bible on "the rape of Sabines" the taking of another people's women. A motif that has clearly happened since time immemorial. This is how geneticist trace to the one lineage, following the moving of the women. The subject focused on 12,000 years ago when tribes of people were sparse along the Steppes, I imagine stories were told around the Baltics of raiders who would negotiate captures. It all is fascinating and certainly not taken by me as something primitive. What I would like Jon to discuss is if in the catalogues, if there are distinctions we can see that separate between the paleolithic to when the first settled civilizations were built. Such as with Ur or Sapta Sindhu.
This is just wonderful as Jon explains themes which have made me wonder.Particularly from an Australian viewpoint .All Australians are taught Dreamtime stories, from preschool, at least. I also endlessly wonder how women became socially inferior ,it can't be just brute strength and childbirth.I reckon that dentate genital is more of a warning to the young men,
From Hercules killing the Hydra watersnake and Medusa's snake hair, the Germanic snake that finally devours itself to the action-triggering snake in the Garden of Eden and Caravaggio*s snake-crushing Madonna del Palafreneiri painting - female sexuality in mythology has always had an ambivalent, if not slippery, energy - to say the least. Please remember that these myths as we know them today were written down by men. But the Minoans honored the snake as a symbol of fertility and healing; to the Hopi, the Great Goddess was symbolized by a snake.
@@Crecganford but you said "geographically" Also, if you may, in your extremely interesting essays, I (and perhaps many others) would like a little more myth and conclusions (paralllels, origins) than the description of the method applied. A blend closer to that of Robert Graves'.
I am struggling to see anything potentially protective for the female from those teeth myths. It sounds far more like the male wants to protect himself from a potentially dangerous acquisition. However, the observation that females going to live with the husband's family could spread myths between groups is very interesting. I think it makes logical sense that for most societies the female would move to the husband's group as the husband would need to live in his familiar area with people around him who he has a good relationship with and experience of hunting with in order to bring home good food for his family with the new wife. I would like to hear more about these myths of societies of women? Is this something like the myths of "Amazon" women in Greek myth? This is a very interesting subject. Frightening as a female to contemplate, but I love knowledge so I would like to learn more about it. And we should remember that many of these stories were warnings. It would seem unwise to generalise from them and assume some of the practices were widespread aa much as a background fear to keep in mind for protective reasons. I'd like to hear more on this subject if you can find a way to do so in a way you are comfortable with. Are there any modern or relatively recent marriage things that might have a long history that's connected to any myths?
With the Ojibwa the society was hyper masculine. There was a fear that having sex with a woman would unman them. Hence the teeth in the vagina and the resulting castration.
The idea of a toothed vagina that is disabled by breaking its teeth with a stone makes me think of 2 things. 1: This may be a metaphor for justifying using force to subdue a woman, either in sexual terms or for some slight against masculine pride, basically "taming" her. 2: This may be down to female genital mutilation, particularly of type 3, which involves basically sewing up a young girl until her husband opens her up on their wedding night.
@@Crecganford dermoid cyst. Not very common. It also can have hair, eyes, teeth and bone. My nice had it removed in her uterus. But it can grow inside of the vagina also. Great video!
Or 3. It could be like today's adult novelty items for sexual assistance. Women who leave everything and everyone behind to marry should have very high expectations for trading their lives for survival. With nothing left to lose a woman has all the patience to wait for retribution. She cuts the member off because it offends her or harms her. The man never admits to being bested by a female especially to other men.
My favourite ancient myth (an ancient metaphor for some) is the one where the first man gave brth to the first woman leaving him with a pain in his side even before his wife took up with a lawyer specializing in real-estate, who sold them on the tree of knowlege instead of the tree of life. Problem is there is too much to learn and a very short time to bite into the apple. It was a set-up job . . .
Also, I wanted to mention the weird parallel in the Talmud about how to remedy amorous snakes who crawl into ladies described by Miriam Anzovin on her Daf Reactions channel
Ancient ppl told each other "urban legends" rooted in a mix of observation and mystery. Men fundamentally didn't understand women, who regularly bled, could create life, and may die doing so. "What is the glory of the female body". Men's bodies do not change that much compared to women's over their life, so we get the myth/archetypes of the maiden, the wife/mother, the crone, because the male experience is unchanging (except for aging). This is why women's medicine was cultivated and passed down. It was better when women's experience was validated.
Caveman grand dads rounded them up like wild horses and then divied them up. Women are crazy enough these days, imagine trying to catch one in the wild.
It's good to see nothing has changed with women. Very strange how this ceremony ends with the woman being pregnant before she actually sleeps with her husband. Kind of like how men are tricked into caring for a woman and their child today, then find out the child wasn't theirs on the child's eighteenth birthday.
As I was watching this video, I was wondering about the tradition of modern marriage. In context of women as a bride around the world, in a historic mythological sense...?
@@Egilhelmson There must be an inception of our marriage rituals seen from a woman's perspective in different cultures and myths. And why it became the tradition of the modern Marriage for brides today. I liked you video very much, it was not a critique, but food for thought, for another video. I don't want to start a discussion, i´m a novice in Mythology...?
@@Egilhelmson I think the person is asking if there might be ancient beliefs hidden within practices that we still do for modern marriages. For instance we still do things like throwing confetti, or "something borrowed, something blue..." or the throwing of the bouquet or carrying a new wife over the threshold.
Your analysis reminds me of Daniel Dennett's From Bacteria to Back and Back and of Dawkin's new volume, The Genetic Book of the Dead. Dennett likens a mental meme to a sort of "app" running under a conscious operating system that is the mind. Dawkins, like Dennett, describes a genetic meme as code that cannot be deleted but rather merely modified, rewritten, and never forgotten. I see echoes in the dentate vagina of female genital mutilation; perhaps that's just me. Clearly, the semi-humorous movie Teeth retells this tale. The Amazon trope from Xena and Wonder Woman embodies the "women living apart" theme. Sci-Fi explores this concept as well, see Amazon Women from Mars. Women who are fatal to men show up in Cat People, Innocent Blood, The Witch, and a raft of vampire films. I wonder about the hidden snake myth. Is this cognate with modern hentai futanari who turn the tables on an unsuspecting male?
At a tender age in my female life, I heard about the horrendous concept of "dowry" and the terrifying word "wedlock." That was enough to make me reach this point of my life "invicta!" 😉
Hey dude love your videos. They're definitely some of the most high-quality and informative videos on mythology and beliefs on youtube. I'd just suggest to stop using AI thumbnails. They are super convenient, but at the same time easy to notice and give off the impression of ''cheapness'' and a lack of dedication. That's bad to have on the first impression of some otherwise masterclass videos with real effort put into them!
How would you like to do some field study as part of the first real Time Team mission, John? You'll have to promise you won't wig out when you see living legends in the flesh, up close and personal. We haven't added any John apostles/companions to the team yet, and a White will make a great defender of racial equality these days. Oh, and fair warning - Tiamat, Lilith, Kali, Mali-Yah, Asherah, Al-Lat, and Circe are very real, with mind-bending charms that are hard to resist. It won't be a pure scholarly expedition. We use the same equipment as the Star Trek Secret Space Force, and you will have to survive boot camp and learn to wield a variety of weapons, at least in self-defense.
@@Crecganford oh, I watched the whole thing. You avoided saying anything substantial. Also, I have responded to you on my own cha nnel. Academics have to be called out for their fear of speaking the truth
@@citycrusher9308 you start out your video by saying Crecganford is not saying anything substantial other than that these myths exist and that they are very old. You totally miss the point that myths in different parts of the world may be connected. What a strange channel you have!
@@Panzeresq he is too afraid to speak to what these myths say about gender relations. These myths ARE connected - to present day. We see them in MeToo false allegations, parental alienation, the down marking of boys in school, and so forth. The male experience is that gender relationships are fraught with danger
Marriage is actually historically quite young. Originally tribal cultures lived in GENDER GROUPS - sisterhoods, brotherhoods and selforganized children groups - not in couples. The coupling of one man and one woman is an invention of slave keepers to breed slaves. Study e.g. the GENEA of the ancient Greeks: A tribal elite of Dorian and Ionian invaders from the black sea conquered Greece and submissed it's native population majority by destroying their tribal communities and their gender groups, forced them into matrimony and isolated the couples from each other on isolated farms. The "krypteia" (skullhunt) of the koryos (bands of young warriors) should prevent the contact and retribalisation of the isolated slaves. The great Alexander later made matrimony obligatory for everybody in his slave empire, forcing the last sovereign Spartan brotherhoods and sisterhoods into mass marriage. Since then the purpose of marriage is to breed and educate children into systematic slavery from birth on. I call this the greatest SINFALL of humanity into a homemade self-enslavement trap!!
@@Crecganford okay, other than saying - ''these myths exist and they are very old'' - what have you said? Where is the analysis of these myths? Why did they come into existence? What were the men who made these stories saying about the opp gender? You are afraid to speak about these things. Because that would get you classified as a my so gynist. That is why your video is so empty
@@citycrusher9308 I'm finding it fascinating. Thoughts & beliefs from 30000 years ago will always to a certain extent speculation. If you're not enjoying it, as noticed by you repeated comments expecting an explicit answer, no doubt based on your subjective speculation, don't watch.
The dangerous wife sounds like a woman started a network of independence among foreign brides. Dentate vaginas! I wish I had thought of that as a way to deflect sexual advances or the use of sex tools(just to be safe and potentially actually satisfied). Marriage isn't for the faint of heart❤. LoL
Please be respectful, I will be deleting sexist comments.
Understood.
Hey Creganford, I have a topic that you would probably love to dig into. There's a youtuber whose channel is called "Understanding Conspiracy" who has made a series of videos about his theory that the Western concept of "Clowns" was based on depictions of east-asian demons, such as Indian Rakshasah or Japanese Oni. And the similarities are staggering, once you start to look. There's also a lot of weird parrallels between Circuses and medieval magical rituals ( A ceremonial master stands in a magic circle, waving a wand and speaks the words, and summons spirits/demons. A circus Master stands in a CIRCLE, makes an announcement, and who enters the scene? The clowns)
It's fascinating stuff. Unfortunately, the guy is fundamentalist Christian, and has fully convinced himself that these are actual demons, that want to enter our world. You know, because these people always take the most deranged, paranoid angle on everything. But still, I think the topic deserves a second look by someone more scientifically minded. Look for "The Nephilim Clown Connection" (Yeah I know...🙄)
Nice work, Jon. Keep them coming.
Love you for that ❤️
And that's the hallmark of a quality channel right there.
so, you will be silencing men's voices. Very typical practice of awful people
You should be awarded a prize for creating the database.
The prize is helping many Universities, students and other academics perform research allowing us to understand who we are. I feel I've helped the world just a little bit in getting better.
The paint job may have changed but humans are the same as they have always been.
I find it humorous that we deal with the same drama as our ancient ancestors.
Another Creganford video,
Another banana milkshake,
Another relaxing Saturday night!
Thanks Jon.
Banana milkshakes are absolutely top tier.
My first wife was an absolute self serving horror, my second an absolutely magical and wondrous creature. Go figure...
The Grail quest
@@MikeOcksmol Not really. She was the one that found me and initiated the relationship by asking me out for a cup of coffee.
Would you be so kind and explain what does "self serving horror" mean? I'd really appreciate it!
@thomasjamison2050 It's almost as if women, as men are individual humans with a myriad of life experiences-good and bad- that they bring to each human relationship. "Creature". Nice.
@@Neenerella333 Not sure how to take 'nice'. The idea that humans are not animals is perhaps the most basic form or racism.
Myths may be tens of thousands of years old, but their bases in reality stay grounded for eternity.
Firstly: earned a new fan, you do great work! Delighted to have stumbled upon you.
Secondly: ~20min mark, that brought back MEMORIES 🤣 i went to a quite... 🤔 let's go with "classical education" (a lot of philosophy, theology, myrhology, logic, rhetoric, history, major sciences, classical languages, etc) academy growing up; and at age... 13? I think? We were doing something similar to this video, examining commonalities in myths, and (bearing in mind it was m&f students) we came across the topic of (what i have to compress for Utoob bots) as "vaginadentata" and... 🤣 in short, it made ALL of us, who were excitedly starting shifting from friends with the oposite sex to deeper connections; that was put on immediate hold for a few weeks 🤣 while we all tried SO HARD to banish that mental image.
Just thought you'd enjoy a laugh! And your excellent work has earned you a new subscriber, and i'll be sharing it around too.
Cheers!
Thank you for sharing that, and your support, I do appreciate these things.
Mythology is often a subconscious voice for what we can not speak about
Love your channel, look forward to being able to join. You always have well informed information.
Thank you.
I'm betting a lot of these prehistoric wives were not happy about being taken from their home, especially by certain men, and wanting to go home or take her chances on a better mate, hubby may have mysteriously fallen ill and croaked, but, even though they lacked the forensics, it was still suspected the wife had some mysterious connection to the death. If she was really unhappy, he may have been found dead missing a certain offending appendage.
You should watch the Italian film Medea!!!
As a divorced man, the lawyer fees were the best money I ever spent.
"A wild logorrhea of phobosoliloquy."
I couldn't have said it better myself. Very nice. Very nice, indeed.
A Cunning Linguist!
@@spykezspykez7001 Indeed!
Thank you, Jon. I now have the correct term for my situation. Virilogical domiciliation. I'm Aussie. My wife is Filipina from Mindanao. I moved there to live with her.
That was a deep plunge into my deepest memories as a young girl, growing up in South-East Alentejo. - I always suspected that the old women telling me horrible tales of anthropophagy were very close to the regional Neanderthal ancestry! :)))))))))))))))
I grew up listening to such myths. It was brutal, Jon! (I am not repeating it to my grandchildren.)
Thank you. I wish you a lovely weekend.
Greetings, from sunny Lisbon.
Wow, it's good to hear the myths are still alive, even though they are so awful.
@@Crecganford :)))))))))))))) Very old myths!
I love your research and the way you present it.
Cheers.
Better to write down and pass to an anthropologist/ethnogapher: just stopping telling them means a cultural loss. I am gathering old tales that were told during "filò" (family gatherings into the stables) to pass them down my nephews. The procession of mysterious men coming down the hills with tea lamps, the red sprite that taught men to make cheese and used to trick them by transforming into a too much heavy kindling, the water spirits with goat legs that loved to drown young men down the river and so on.
Always love your videos, Jon! Really interesting with a twist of humour. Very well done! What do you think of the mama wata stories?
I'm not so familiar with African myth and foklore yet, although I am reading about it where I can. And so one day I will try and cover this and other interesting tales.
I dont know how I never connected myths to clues into our prehistory behaviors and rituals! I feel so dumb but also super excited with this information! I love your academic break downs of how myths and rituals. You deserve all of the likes! ❤
Also, how can I learn the more academic side of mythology? What I mean is, I want to learn more about the methods you use to find origins of myths and the connecting cultures that exchanged them.. would that be a type of class or something outside of college I could find? I want to obtain a interdisciplinary MA and Phd that uses myths, anthropology with evolution, biology, and other social sciences.... its a lot but they are all intertwined and important! Any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated 😅
Thank you.
There is no one course, a social science, anthropology or religious history. But to do what I show you need funding, research grants, and that is a whole different challenge at MA or PhD level.
@@Wolv94 if you can find a particular myth or group of myths that ignite your soul, start there! Learning the culture, early history and accounts...that would be a good way to get started, before stepping your foot in academia... some libraries might connect you to academic databases as well.
Good luck! ❤ 😊 🦬☀️
I can understand your reticence to speak freely about the matter. It's an awful phenomenon of modern society that intellectual discussions about distasteful aspects of human behaviour can be seen as condoning such behaviour. I hope at some point that you are able to put together something that has sufficient warnings for the more emotive listener to understand that acknowledgement and understanding isn't the same as condoning and encouraging.
Yes! Excellent comment
Ot better yet, instead of trigger warnings and content warnings, what if adults were adult enough to watch what they like, and click away if they don't like it? Simple.
@@linagreenlyfe6705 or realized that lots of "urban legends" held by ppl are rooted in a mix of mystery. Men fundamentally didn't understand women, who regularly bled, could create life, and may die doing so. "What is the glory of the female body". From our perspectives, men's body do not change that much compared over the woman's life and the myth of the maiden, the wife/morher, the crone, versus the "unchanging" make experience. This is why women's medicine was cultivated and passed down. It was better when women's experience was validated
You mean like the warnings they have on tooth picks that go something like "do not swallow"?
@linagreenlyfe6705 too much like common sense, which unfortunately isn't very common anymore.
Happy Saturday! Thanks again!
Some fascinating tales here! The breaking of the V-Dentata with a stick could have some unpleasant implications, but we'll likely never know
I never realized that South Park's vagina dentata is actual mythology
There was a movie called "teeth" look it up. B grade horror flick, kinda funny.
South Park is brand new
Thank you Professor for another great video. I’m so interested to methodologies and your profession that I’d ask… if someone would like to follow your path, what is the academic path? Like, enrolling in which university?Anthropology? I’m Italian and I don’t know anybody in my circle studying these topics
Anthropology or religious history, or a social science. It really depends on your interests. Certainly all universities will have channels to help you decide the best course for you.
So, all of the old cartoons that depict the cave man clubbing the cave woman and dragging her off by her hair are wrong? 🤣
@@PyrateGFXProductions well, at least incomplete....
wtf
Thank you Jon. Excellent video. I stayed awake
Hahahaha, just worked out who you are!
Martha Roth of the Univeristy of Chicago wrote on Babylonian marriage practices.
I love the way you are sharing your knowledge, and particularly this focus on examining the myth of the feminine. Thank you
Very interesting and informative! 😮 lovely video.
It would be interesting if you could cover circumcision in ritual practice in various Indo-European religions and what the original significance could be??
The goal of genital mutilation has always been the same in men and women: sexual repression.
I really enjoyed the methodological overview - that was an interesting background perspective I suppose on much of the general work on this channel …
Dang friend, you were sweating that production.
i would honestly pay thousands to learn the methodology required to do such studies
Anthropology and Comparative Mythology are certainly within your grasp.
Also, I think a lot of his work comes from comparing Proto Indo-European root words, so you could study Indo-European linguistics for that.
@DianaStevens42 already studying them since 2018 🫡
Please Basque mithology
Euskadi!
Do you have a story telling channel in which you tell individual myths? I’m unfamiliar with some that you’ve mentioned, and I’d love to hear more!
He does but it didn't gain any traction so he doesn't post any more ...I think
I have Crecganford Reads which I will add to next year, but there are a few things on there right now.
@@Crecganford I haven't heard of Crecganford Reads. Perhaps you could mention it in some of your videos to get more people to check it out?
Don’t let your husbands see you in the bathtub!
I just assumed that taking a women's virginity would cause many of them to bleed, this would lead to the male believing he had been bitten after he withdrew. I reckon the older folk telling these stories must have had a right laugh at the expense of the young lads. 😁👍❤️
This is very funny but I think there’s a common misconception underlying what you’ve said. The reality is the hymen can stretch and doesn’t need to be broken. Hymens are inconistent in how open/closed they are and they can also stretch unintentionally during general activity, this means some people will never have any issue. But if need be the hymen can be stretched intentionally to avoid injury during first intercourse. So while it can break and therefore bleed in some instances, often just due to ignorance, bleeding is more consistent with sexual trauma than anything else
22:01 I wonder since humans lived with the animals and more importantly insects to this conversation, that they may have associated the behaviours of female animals that killed their mates and then became convinced this would occur with their own female species. [Spiders, praying mantis, etc]
But to the point on taking a wife from neighbouring villages, with the motif of a second mouth, there may have been the Myth discussion of a woman who was taken away by force and she killed that man after he forced himself upon her. Given the paleolithic period it would not surprise me that women were raised to be aggressive and survivalist the same as men.
The second point is interesting. It's hard to grasp the specifics, though. Maybe a closer look at more recent "spouse-stealing" cultures like the Mongols or some South American tribes can shed some light into that.
@@juliahenriques210 my first thought when listening to Jon speak was my recalling of the passage in the Christian Bible on "the rape of Sabines" the taking of another people's women. A motif that has clearly happened since time immemorial. This is how geneticist trace to the one lineage, following the moving of the women.
The subject focused on 12,000 years ago when tribes of people were sparse along the Steppes, I imagine stories were told around the Baltics of raiders who would negotiate captures. It all is fascinating and certainly not taken by me as something primitive.
What I would like Jon to discuss is if in the catalogues, if there are distinctions we can see that separate between the paleolithic to when the first settled civilizations were built. Such as with Ur or Sapta Sindhu.
This is just wonderful as Jon explains themes which have made me wonder.Particularly from an Australian viewpoint .All Australians are taught Dreamtime stories, from preschool, at least. I also endlessly wonder how women became socially inferior ,it can't be just brute strength and childbirth.I reckon that dentate genital is more of a warning to the young men,
Clearly and carefully covered.
I always assumed the toothy myth was related to oral sex performed as a form of birth control.
Wow! Its time for a cup of coffee and to enjoy the life without any danger whatsoever :)))
From Hercules killing the Hydra watersnake and Medusa's snake hair, the Germanic snake that finally devours itself to the action-triggering snake in the Garden of Eden and Caravaggio*s snake-crushing Madonna del Palafreneiri painting - female sexuality in mythology has always had an ambivalent, if not slippery, energy - to say the least. Please remember that these myths as we know them today were written down by men. But the Minoans honored the snake as a symbol of fertility and healing; to the Hopi, the Great Goddess was symbolized by a snake.
Claudia, "writing" was invented by men, and without it most myths would be forgotten today, regardless of which sex they were about.
Russians, Germans, Finns (and even Romanianw, Bulgarians, French) closer to Africa than Greeks, Romans? Are you nuts?
In context of the data...
@@Crecganford but you said "geographically"
Also, if you may, in your extremely interesting essays, I (and perhaps many others) would like a little more myth and conclusions (paralllels, origins) than the description of the method applied. A blend closer to that of Robert Graves'.
I am struggling to see anything potentially protective for the female from those teeth myths. It sounds far more like the male wants to protect himself from a potentially dangerous acquisition. However, the observation that females going to live with the husband's family could spread myths between groups is very interesting.
I think it makes logical sense that for most societies the female would move to the husband's group as the husband would need to live in his familiar area with people around him who he has a good relationship with and experience of hunting with in order to bring home good food for his family with the new wife.
I would like to hear more about these myths of societies of women? Is this something like the myths of "Amazon" women in Greek myth?
This is a very interesting subject. Frightening as a female to contemplate, but I love knowledge so I would like to learn more about it. And we should remember that many of these stories were warnings. It would seem unwise to generalise from them and assume some of the practices were widespread aa much as a background fear to keep in mind for protective reasons.
I'd like to hear more on this subject if you can find a way to do so in a way you are comfortable with. Are there any modern or relatively recent marriage things that might have a long history that's connected to any myths?
Very interesting indeed
With the Ojibwa the society was hyper masculine. There was a fear that having sex with a woman would unman them. Hence the teeth in the vagina and the resulting castration.
So they lasted at most 2 generations? Good riddence
yea I can see how that would be a warning against taking her by force. lol This was very interesting.
The idea of a toothed vagina that is disabled by breaking its teeth with a stone makes me think of 2 things.
1: This may be a metaphor for justifying using force to subdue a woman, either in sexual terms or for some slight against masculine pride, basically "taming" her.
2: This may be down to female genital mutilation, particularly of type 3, which involves basically sewing up a young girl until her husband opens her up on their wedding night.
Dentate vaginas have been seen as well according to my ontoligist friend.
@@Crecganford dermoid cyst. Not very common. It also can have hair, eyes, teeth and bone. My nice had it removed in her uterus. But it can grow inside of the vagina also. Great video!
@@Crecganford That must be quite a sight.
or it could be about having to charm a hostile woman into being friendly
Or 3. It could be like today's adult novelty items for sexual assistance. Women who leave everything and everyone behind to marry should have very high expectations for trading their lives for survival. With nothing left to lose a woman has all the patience to wait for retribution. She cuts the member off because it offends her or harms her. The man never admits to being bested by a female especially to other men.
My favourite ancient myth (an ancient metaphor for some) is the one where the first man gave brth to the first woman leaving him with a pain in his side even before his wife took up with a lawyer specializing in real-estate, who sold them on the tree of knowlege instead of the tree of life. Problem is there is too much to learn and a very short time to bite into the apple. It was a set-up job . . .
Also, I wanted to mention the weird parallel in the Talmud about how to remedy amorous snakes who crawl into ladies described by Miriam Anzovin on her Daf Reactions channel
Ancient ppl told each other "urban legends" rooted in a mix of observation and mystery. Men fundamentally didn't understand women, who regularly bled, could create life, and may die doing so. "What is the glory of the female body". Men's bodies do not change that much compared to women's over their life, so we get the myth/archetypes of the maiden, the wife/mother, the crone, because the male experience is unchanging (except for aging). This is why women's medicine was cultivated and passed down. It was better when women's experience was validated.
Glad I still oppose dating apps and the need for being a wife.
Happy to be someone's familiar and sauntering off on my own when the time suits me. 😊
Familiars are normally magically bonded to the person so you might not be able to saunter off if you become one. Better to just be a companion.
Caveman grand dads rounded them up like wild horses and then divied them up. Women are crazy enough these days, imagine trying to catch one in the wild.
It's good to see nothing has changed with women.
Very strange how this ceremony ends with the woman being pregnant before she actually sleeps with her husband. Kind of like how men are tricked into caring for a woman and their child today, then find out the child wasn't theirs on the child's eighteenth birthday.
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Good show
That’s not my dangerous wife!
As I was watching this video, I was wondering about the tradition of modern marriage. In context of women as a bride around the world, in a historic mythological sense...?
> the tradition of modern marriage
How do you have a “tradition” of something modern? Explain, please.
@@Egilhelmson There must be an inception of our marriage rituals seen from a woman's perspective in different cultures and myths. And why it became the tradition of the modern Marriage for brides today. I liked you video very much, it was not a critique, but food for thought, for another video. I don't want to start a discussion, i´m a novice in Mythology...?
@@Egilhelmson I think the person is asking if there might be ancient beliefs hidden within practices that we still do for modern marriages. For instance we still do things like throwing confetti, or "something borrowed, something blue..." or the throwing of the bouquet or carrying a new wife over the threshold.
So you really mean "phylogenetics"? At first glance, it seems a better description is a combination of _phylogeny_ and _cladistics_ .
Yes, I do.
Your analysis reminds me of Daniel Dennett's From Bacteria to Back and Back and of Dawkin's new volume, The Genetic Book of the Dead. Dennett likens a mental meme to a sort of "app" running under a conscious operating system that is the mind. Dawkins, like Dennett, describes a genetic meme as code that cannot be deleted but rather merely modified, rewritten, and never forgotten.
I see echoes in the dentate vagina of female genital mutilation; perhaps that's just me. Clearly, the semi-humorous movie Teeth retells this tale. The Amazon trope from Xena and Wonder Woman embodies the "women living apart" theme. Sci-Fi explores this concept as well, see Amazon Women from Mars.
Women who are fatal to men show up in Cat People, Innocent Blood, The Witch, and a raft of vampire films. I wonder about the hidden snake myth. Is this cognate with modern hentai futanari who turn the tables on an unsuspecting male?
today I learned that not all vagina have teeth
Thank you for all this because again I wake up glad im Gay
Interesting.
Hello, John.
I had a girlfriend who could kill me with an elegant shawl. Technically.
At a tender age in my female life, I heard about the horrendous concept of "dowry" and the terrifying word "wedlock." That was enough to make me reach this point of my life "invicta!" 😉
Hey dude love your videos. They're definitely some of the most high-quality and informative videos on mythology and beliefs on youtube. I'd just suggest to stop using AI thumbnails. They are super convenient, but at the same time easy to notice and give off the impression of ''cheapness'' and a lack of dedication. That's bad to have on the first impression of some otherwise masterclass videos with real effort put into them!
You think men get to choose their wife? We must live on different planets.
I'd suspect at least some of the dangerous women tales came from older people trying to tame the ill behavior of their aggressive men.
Which of these branches contains India?
Maybe it was a metaphor for genital lice. Be careful to not get bit.
@@justalaborer713 or HPV
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Cuz they know she's risking her life and well-being every single time. They fear her being able to hold them accountable if they endanger her.
Men are exhausting. I’m so sorry Ladies.
It's no myth today. Any married man will tell you this.
never met my wife apparently
How would you like to do some field study as part of the first real Time Team mission, John? You'll have to promise you won't wig out when you see living legends in the flesh, up close and personal. We haven't added any John apostles/companions to the team yet, and a White will make a great defender of racial equality these days. Oh, and fair warning - Tiamat, Lilith, Kali, Mali-Yah, Asherah, Al-Lat, and Circe are very real, with mind-bending charms that are hard to resist. It won't be a pure scholarly expedition. We use the same equipment as the Star Trek Secret Space Force, and you will have to survive boot camp and learn to wield a variety of weapons, at least in self-defense.
Take your meds
@DianaStevens42 how clever of you, you NPC character woke cult moron. Enjoy your trip to the beast abyss!
Makes you wonder why they bother. They obviously don't even like us. Some "family". 🙄
But.. Is it a myth ? or reality ? 😋
@@goofygrandlouis6296 every myth is rootet in reality...some more than others..
@@25myma haha 😁
Or straight culture?
They're a complete mess.
@@STRcircaFKR"mahh wiiife"
Out of Africa theory 😂🙄
Women! Am I right?
God sakes stop waffling get on with 5.36 you say noting except repeating. I am new here.
nothing ventured nothing gained.
18:52 - lists the ancient myths, but says nothing about them
I assume you post these comments before watching the whole video.
@@Crecganford oh, I watched the whole thing. You avoided saying anything substantial.
Also, I have responded to you on my own cha nnel. Academics have to be called out for their fear of speaking the truth
@@citycrusher9308 you start out your video by saying Crecganford is not saying anything substantial other than that these myths exist and that they are very old. You totally miss the point that myths in different parts of the world may be connected. What a strange channel you have!
@@Panzeresq he is too afraid to speak to what these myths say about gender relations. These myths ARE connected - to present day.
We see them in MeToo false allegations, parental alienation, the down marking of boys in school, and so forth.
The male experience is that gender relationships are fraught with danger
@@citycrusher9308 QED
25:37 - makes an excuse to avoid speaking of the possibly embarrassing meanings of these myths
Marriage is actually historically quite young. Originally tribal cultures lived in GENDER GROUPS - sisterhoods, brotherhoods and selforganized children groups - not in couples. The coupling of one man and one woman is an invention of slave keepers to breed slaves. Study e.g. the GENEA of the ancient Greeks: A tribal elite of Dorian and Ionian invaders from the black sea conquered Greece and submissed it's native population majority by destroying their tribal communities and their gender groups, forced them into matrimony and isolated the couples from each other on isolated farms. The "krypteia" (skullhunt) of the koryos (bands of young warriors) should prevent the contact and retribalisation of the isolated slaves. The great Alexander later made matrimony obligatory for everybody in his slave empire, forcing the last sovereign Spartan brotherhoods and sisterhoods into mass marriage. Since then the purpose of marriage is to breed and educate children into systematic slavery from birth on. I call this the greatest SINFALL of humanity into a homemade self-enslavement trap!!
Sorry Creganford, but a whole lot of nothing was said in this video. Very uninformative
Perhaps you had it on mute.
@@Crecganford okay, other than saying - ''these myths exist and they are very old'' - what have you said? Where is the analysis of these myths? Why did they come into existence? What were the men who made these stories saying about the opp gender?
You are afraid to speak about these things. Because that would get you classified as a my so gynist. That is why your video is so empty
@@citycrusher9308 I'm finding it fascinating. Thoughts & beliefs from 30000 years ago will always to a certain extent speculation.
If you're not enjoying it, as noticed by you repeated comments expecting an explicit answer, no doubt based on your subjective speculation, don't watch.
@@gilliandawson6567 there has been no speculation here. If you don't like truth don't comment
Mythology??? I guess you are not married yet!
Look at poor prince harry and his wife. She is a terror.😂😂😂
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That’s either racist, American hating or both.
The dangerous wife sounds like a woman started a network of independence among foreign brides. Dentate vaginas! I wish I had thought of that as a way to deflect sexual advances or the use of sex tools(just to be safe and potentially actually satisfied). Marriage isn't for the faint of heart❤. LoL
the reason we listen to you @crecganford is how we got here and why
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