The Indo-European belief in REINCARNATION
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- What happens when you die? What happens when the universe ends? Reincarnation and Eschatology are key considerations for any belief system to have. This video explains the Indo-European view of these by examining original texts and manuscripts, to piece together the belief of our ancestors.
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📚 References
Lincoln, Bruce. Myth, Cosmos, and Society
Puhvel, Jan. Comparative Mythology
Anthony, David. The Horse, the Wheel, and Language
Books where quotes were referenced;
Iliad, Odyssey, Rig Veda, Zad Sparam (Pahlavi Texts), Yasna, Vīdēvdāt, Prose and Poetic Eddas, Beowulf, Slovo o P’’lku Igorevě
📑 Chapters
0:00 Introduction
0:38 Growing Old
3:04 Birth and Sacrifice
8:00 The Indo-European Myth of Creation
10:31 Burial Practices
13:42 Karma and Rebirth
20:50 Creation and Sacrifice
22:14 The Eschaton
32:55 Death is not the End
37:32 The Beginning is the End
40:31 Final Thoughts
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Do you believe we are reincarnated?
If true... it's even worse. It's not us the ones being reincarnated... It's a blanket with someone else's memories embebed to make the illusion of reincarnation... Dark City is a pale description of this.
I have had some subjective experiences that make me think there is some sort of carry over, but I dont believe that the exact person i am now will live again in another body.
I could write a tremendous TL:DR about my experiences, but i guess i better not lol
But I used to think about it like the soul is sort of a harddrive And the OS is the ego/personality. when you die the personality dies with the body, like the OS dies when you break the computer, but the hdd retains all its files, and you put the drive in a new computer, install a new OS the old one remains in a folder. and the harddrive keeps building up more old OS info life after life.
Now im not so sure bcs i realised: all the stories i hear say the soul realm between lives is timeless. That would mean "i" (whatever that means in this context) dont have to reincarnate after my current existence... i also could go to the middle ages "next" and then i thought "bu that would automatically mean i can also go to a life simultaneous with this one" and then i realised... could be that there is only one soul experiencing all lives ever and everywhere at the same time. Maybe its like an million armed octopus laying sock puppets with itself. Maybe some arms are closer connected and have some info carryover. dunno... but id guess its something like that.
Or dead is just dead ofc but somehow i dont really believe that. Experienced a bit too many weird stuff in my life for that.
I believe we are the same universal consciousness locked in a localised physical experience of reality that, when we pass away, ceases to exist - but our universal consciousness continues, as if always has, is, and will.
yes and no. I like the metaphor of a great ocean, and our selves are waves in this ocean. So when a wave dies effectively nothing is lost except the form of the wave. The water doesn't die and will form other waves. The energy that formed a wave in the first place also doesn't vanish, but contributes to the formation of the next waves. nothing dies and nothing stays the same.
Yes
My nephew, 33 years old, made his transition about 3 o'clock yesterday afternoon, less than a month after being diagnosed with mesothelioma sarcoma. My family is strongly Roman Catholic, though we're also wicked smart and curious about varied beliefs around the world, so this is particularly well-timed. Thank you for helping me think about things in new ways-- it helps with the grief process.
Good luck to you.
There is pretty solid evidence for reincarnation
Thank you, @@meisteremm!
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm glad he didn't suffer long.
Thank you, @@kellysouter4381. The world is a better place for his existence.
I had a neae death experience and in it had an intense visionary experience I can't fully put into words. I was in water, but on a boat. The boat was both under water and above other deeper "layers" of water. My perspective was multiple in that I was both on the boat interacting with the "captain" who was seeing if I wanted to die or not and below the boat in the lower waters where my perspective was at the same time split up again seeing infinite possible worlds. I had to pull my perspective back together and hold onto electricity, bolts of lightning in the water, which pulled me up further and futher back to the paramedics who had shocked my heart back into my physical body. Before I came back I didn't remember dying and felt like I had always been in this water world and world of infinite possibilities, it was so familiar at the time and felt entirely natural. In retrospect I think my brain was shutting down and I no longer had the ability to place myself in space-time and thus since time is relative truly was in a literal sense beginning to see all of time and space. Without a body and brain consciousness seems to dissolve into all-time past(s), present(s) and future(s). I can sympathize with the story of the story of the person who lived a whole life with a wife and kids during a car accident... time becomes meaningless near death. Who knows even this reality now could well be a dream of a dying me or a dying someone else. It changes little. Just savour existence regardless if its a dream or "real" is my 2 cents.
This got me. Wow. Thank you for sharing that. You had to grab electricity? Makes sense to me.
That's really intricate and makes perfect sense. Your brain was translating events into something it could understand, and I'm glad you were able to share the results with us. Wow!
Space Time. Lol. Einstein was a fool... Anyway...
You still identified self with the psychophysical. Bob or Sue is not the soul. The brain is not the soul. The body is not the soul. The thoughts are not the soul. What is the soul? It is not this and it is not that.
@@Baptized_in_Fire. Einstein was no fool (in a traditional sense anyway). Why do you say he was? I'll hear you out.
In my eyes he was intellectually and philosophically gifted and by all accounts was kind, funny, humble and insightful. He derided both those who ignored science as well as what he called "The Church of The Atheists". When asked about God he said he believed in Spinoza's God (put as simply as possible that means reality/nature itself is God) and when asked about religion he gave this beautiful quote: “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
Studying relativity, quantum mechanics and physics in general has augmented my appreciation for spirituality and philosophy and helped greatly when it comes to processing/analyzing the experience I had.
@@Baptized_in_Fire. Also the account I wrote out does not summarize my full worldview or epistemology. I don't equate soul with body but all the same find studying how the two interact fascinating. In general my spiritual worldview is closest to Plotinus' Neoplatonism which I balance with as much modern science as I can grasp
Why is this channel so under subscribed?!! It deserves so much more attention!
Thank you for your kind words.
I hazard to guess that it's the same reason why things like celebrity and beauty influencer channels have such high numbers of subscribers. People have forgotten the pleasure one can derive from thinking deeply about things like our ancient stories, our origin as a species, the purpose and meaning of life, and similar such topics. They would rather devote their brainpower to mostly thinking about whether or not other people find them attractive, or obsessing over what their favorite star has had for breakfast. I can't decide if this is poverty of the imagination, or just pure laziness. Perhaps it is both.
When I was 15 years old, I was in a car that was struck head-on by a drunk driver on the highway. I shattered the windshield with the top of my head--not the best idea ever, though I didn't have much choice in the matter. During the weeks I was comatose, no one could predict that I would finish college or even high school, or ever be able to function at anything resembling an age-appropriate level, all of which happened.
During the last days of my coma, I kept dreaming that I was asleep and couldn't wake up. "They" wouldn't allow it. Every time I got close, They would "push me back under" and tell me I couldn't wake up. Finally, I got tired of it, decided that They couldn't decide that for me, and fought really hard to wake up despite Them. Not exactly a death vision, though its analogous. Thank you for providing a frame of reference!
Thank you for sharing your story
Brilliant. Plus his voice is incredibly easy to listen to. Bravo.
Thank you so much.
"A man only dies when they are forgotten" One Piece. Just seriously look into how deep with myth and legends the author of One piece goes. His house is books on books on reference material. Thanks love what you do
I do believe in reincarnation, I believe it now and I believed in it in my previous life. Great channel.
How long ago was that previous life? What is your special insight into it which so many lack?
My previous life was before I was born and my insight is wisdom.
I love the twin sacrifice myth. Sacrifice for himself to himself. And the cows are so sacred for sacrifices. Such sweet songs to sing for mankind.
Nice to know I will never die and will just get recycled. Makes me feel connected to "Mother Nature". As the early Indo-Europeans cultures were located on the Euroasian steppe, I wonder if the cyclical Nature of this environment shaped beliefs. Thank you for an excellent deep dive into creation myrhs. Lots to think about.
Liked and subbed 😊 I love your voice, and the topic of ancient history and literature is great, I'm looking forward to seeing your channel grow
Thank you for your kind words.
So rich in meaning, a lot to unpack. I had a moment of feeling close to my mother, long gone into the Mystery, but felt her wisdoms when the shade of a mother gave instructions to recreate humanity from the bones of the earth. It's a mythic truth of course, and my mother's visionary wisdom was profound, with so much wisdom about healing plants and ancestral truths hard to describe in the times we are in, although this gives inspiration and a renewal of peace in this endless journey, x:I:x
This video is giving me a new pov to think about all the talk of sacrifice in so many religions. I have tended not to want to think think about it, but I need to go back and watch your video on sacrifice, the only one I've skipped, bc I haven't liked to think about it.
As an aside, I recently listened to a storytelling audio podcast with some of the stories from the Edda and I realized how much I've learned, recognizing several motifs you've discussed, as well as recognizing that they are motifs and knowing what a motif is. Lol. Thanks for the education.
Thank you, it is always a pleasure when I hear of viewers seeing motifs and connections after watching my videos.
interestingly, the word we use in germanic languages, "soul" is not IE in origin and is related to the word "sea". this is more obvious in German "Seele" and "See". So the pre-IE inhabitants of the baltic and northern sea didn't think as air or breath being the essence of life, but water.
How do we know for sure that Saiwilo 'soul' is related to saiwiz 'sea'?
Id you thinking along these lines? from Proto-Indo-European *sóh₂i-wl̥ ~ *sh₂i-wéns, possibly cognate with Proto-Balto-Slavic *séiˀlāˀ (“strength, force; soul”), Latin saevus (“fierce”), Proto-Celtic *saitlom (“life, age”), Latin saeculum (“generation, lifetime”), perhaps either from *seh₂y- (“to bind”) or homonym *seh₂y- (“rage, fury”),[2] making it possibly again related to *saiwiz (“sea, ocean”)?
Brilliant video. This is quickly becoming my favourite channel on TH-cam. Thank you!
Thank you for your kind words, they really are appreciated.
As a science nerd the fact matter simply transfers forms I suppose reincarnation, or a repurpose of the matter creating me, is inevitable.
Dont have to be a science nerd to realize we turn to dust when we die.
Buzzards gotta eat, same as wolves, I reckon.
If you like science and metaphysics, check out theoria apophasis. Ken knows forgotten things
Thank you for sharing another great lesson; once again, really enjoyed your presentation, resurch, and preparation. Looking forward to your next one! Have a great day! 😊
Well, this was particularly fascinating. What really struck me was a somewhat peripheral comment to the topic, which you made at the beginning of the video. This is that the Charon/Boatman myth did not originate with the Greeks, but is actually 30,000 years old. I was astonished by this, as I've always associated this myth exclusively with the Greeks. With regard to reincarnation, I hope it is not an actual representation of what happens to us at death, since reincarnation would just be a different version of Hell for me, personally. Thank goodness for Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics!
If you think that’s hell then you might be interested in moksha
Well, I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I suppose. Entropy effectively gives me Moksha, as when I die, the "consciousness" that comprises "Me" will be annihilated at death, since the brain that generates my consciousness will cease to function. No more suffering (no more pleasure, either. No more anything, because once I die, I cease to exist, apart from my constituent atoms, now and forever more).@@yoeyyoey8937
As you probably know, according to current scientific understanding your body will be reincarnated in a sense, as the molecules and atoms that were you get recycled and become a part of the decomposing microbes and animals and soil. I haven't come across any scientific evidence that convinced me that soul exist yet. I guess we'll find out when we die.
Yes, samsara is a special kind of hell.
The greeks inherited their wisdom from older cultures. You're looking for the original teachings of gotama, and advaita vedanta, and later Pythagoras, Plato, etc. Disobjectification.
Search "theoria apophasis reincarnation". You won't be disappointed starting down that rabbit hole.
That guy can even teach you how magnets work.
I definitely want to hear more about how eating builds our body and how that is an ancient aspect of the destruction of the cosmos being used to create human. I have been thinking about this a lot being pregnant (with twins no less!) and how spiritual this idea of universal creation and destruction can be!
same, girl, same!
I hope that you have a safe delivery and that your kids grow up well.
I had my own brief "past life experience", it was oddly mundane.
I have never been a dancer, I've always felt I had no rhythm, no grace. But as soon as I tried a little bit of cannabis something in my brain changed and now I spend a lot of my free time dancing at home to an audience of none.
Completely sober at work one day "I" recognized a song that came on the radio, but it wasn't me who did, it was a Dancer from 1970s chicago (i have never been). She remembered dancing to it on stage in a club that to me reminded me of the pre-war era. Oddly enough I don't know what the song is now, I was too stupified after the experience to shazam it or commit the lyrics to memory.
I was firmly materialist atheist at the time.
After this I looked into reincarnation a lot, and other ideas about the afterlife. NDEs seem to suggest some sort of learning process with multiple lives to almost everyone who doesn't come back to sell a book to warn you about hell. Most ancient religions teach reincarnation, and the esoteric versions of the Abrahamic religions do as well (Rosicrucians, Kabbalists, Sufis).
But that wasn't enough for me, I always had to put science first. Eventually I stumbled upon Rupert Sheldrake and Michael Levin's work, and from that I came to understand that the information that gives anatomy it's shape is likely in another information medium outside of DNA, most likely some sort of electromagnetic field disturbance, after all this paradigm is producing astounding results, already electroculture experiments are increasing crop yields.
After that I started digging more into the case studies of kids with past life experiences, more specifically the research out of North Carolina where they set out to disprove it and came back flabbergasted by the correct, unaccessible information the kids had access too, and **how often their birthmarks matched scars and wounds of their supposed past lives**.
Then there's the consciousness field interpretation of quantum mechanics.
Then you have all the various proofs that mind isn't 100% brain, like how entirely liquified butterflies remember being caterpillars.
To me there is a very reasonable scientific model by which packets of information marked as electromagnetic patterns that flow through our bodies as our bioelectric fields go through a similar process of evolution and iteration that our biological DNA does, and that it likely goes through similarly stochastic processes of selection as sexual reproduction does.
Then I read the myth of Ur and learned about the daemon.
Then I read Jung and read about the anima.
I'm a man and I've been in a near 13 years long loving relationship with a girl I who was a dancer when I met.
Maybe the experience was just a quirk of the neurons, maybe I just fried my brain on weed (I did abuse it for a little while to get over covid lol).
Or maybe whatever part of the nongenetic information medium that makes me up contained a piece of that dancer and she danced as my anima to lead my to the girl of my dreams. It just rhymes too well for me not to hear it. Regardless of anything I think if there's anything going on underneath life it's going to be a similarly organic, stochastic, evolutionary process that could eventually be understood scientifically, after all : as above, so below.
Drinking the poetry and tea. So beautifully spoken.
Sacrifice allows the practicioner to manipulate reality.
I couldn't help but think of the Defence's postulation of the murders in Delphi Indiana as being an Odinist sacrifice.
❤ you remember the drumbeat intro oh I so happy I do enjoy the idea of reincarnation above all other beliefs so if I were to believe in something reincarnation and it's deep roots I suppose would be at the top of the list 😊
I just found you, watched a few videos. Your content is presented in an intelligent way and you have a soothing voice. New subscriber here!!
Thank you so much, and feel free to ask questions as I do try and respond to as many of them as I can.
So excited to watch! Great addition to my Saturday
Thank you for giving me so many new ideas to ponder!!
there is nothing more frightening or depressing to me than the though that i will never die - true existential horror right there... f that.
there is truth to that, eternity can be bliss, or torment
Naw, man! You eventually get to go home. But I feel the same way. I'm ready to bounce on outta here fr. Think I have a few turns left.
Many years ago an older relative explained the following concept to me, one which was shared with them during their career. To me, it’s essentially an analogy of the planetary water cycle applied to the concept of individual souls and some grander amalgamation of life force.
There exists a sea beyond the stars, the source of the waters of life, that cycles through evaporation and condensation. Every living being contains an individual droplet. When a being dies, that drop rejoins the sea where it loses its individual essence as it’s every experience then becomes one with the primary source. And so it goes, on and on…
Can we distinguish an ancient raindrop amidst the world’s oceans? I think I will cease to be, but all that I’ve known, felt and dreamed, will join the multitudes of others’, perhaps even the flowers and birds in my garden…
I don’t know if it’s accurate, but it just always felt good enough to provide a sense of comfort.
You do such great work. You blow me away every time! Bravo!
Thank you.
Chose the correct thumbnail!
Psyche also means will, and its throne is the heart.
Thymos: the second tier of the tripartite soul. Yes.
Metampsychosis/samsāra/reincarnation/etc was one of the first things I intuitively understood and accepted early into finding my way to polytheism.
I don’t even consider it a ‘belief’ per se; I know it as surely as I know the sun will rise in the morning.
I was wrong on the last poll but my guess has come to life, now. Thanks 😊
The thumbnail was no. 2 but it didn't do so well, but neither is this one, so may change it again :)
Got into this one and couldn't leave. I must say you do a good job of pulling all of this information together into a comprehensible theme that even I can follow. As you inferred early on, it's a glimpse into the minds of those who came before us and an indication of where we and our ideas have come from. Totally enjoyable, thanks, as usual.
I was raised in a family that believes in a mix of catholicism and kardecism. Kardecism is a religion that started in France, and they believe in reincarnation.
All I can say is I am NOT coming back to this crappy world. Nothing but pain and poverty.
Get a life!
I speculate the idea of the cosmos and earth could also relate to cremation vs. burial or natural decomposition, and legitimizing both.
Wow.! That was deep..Lots to think about,Thank You for all your Hard Work & Great Videos.😊
Very insightful!
""I fly a starship Across the Universe divide And when I reach the other side I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highwayman again Or I may simply be a single drop of rain But I will remain And I'll be back again, and again and again and again and again""
Sorry to say pogchamp, that the wiring on your mic is scuffed. I had the same problem with my mic. Either you need a new input jack, or the the wire needs to be adjusted so the static buzzy sound stops.
Damn. I didn't notice it before but now I can't stop hearing it
Excelent......AND....provocative....thank you!!!
Interesting topic! Lovely lovely 😁
Wonderful Video…
I have ohne question.
I learned that mesoameric Cultures sacrificed humanes to maintain the Cosmos. This seems to be related to the Indoeuropean cosmology. Do think this is random.
I’m not so familiar with the American cultures, but am slowly learning and studying. I will make a video about their creation myths as soon as I can and so will hope to answer your question then.
Kinda like the Law of Equivalent Exchange in FMA.
The first law of alchemy is equivalent exchange... I like it
Thank you for your video! Some of the ideas about eschatology and resurrection in the end of times reminds me some of the ideas of Russian Cosmism, in particular, Fedorov's idea about gathereing of dispersed atoms and molecules and reconstruction of the bodies of our fathers. What do you think about this link?
There maybe influence here in those ideas, as we see this in the Russian Poems written in the last 200 years.
you address the corruption so nicely. so well done. thank you
Ay we back!
Danke für diese wunderbaren Beitrag. Bleibt stark und gut gelaunt im neuen Jahr.
Fantastic, thanks
By the way, I love your videos!
The older I get, the happier I get! At nearly 70, I'm positively giddy!
glad to have you here brother!
It has always struck me how so many ancient myths seem like our ancestors knew science… like didn't the earth literally form from matter that was created inside an early star (known to have been giant) and expelled into the universe upon its death? Our entire solar system is made from the corpse left by some primordial supernova that has been reconstructed by the gravitational force of a new star.
I had to manually go here. TH-cam isn't recommending these videos anymore even though I'm subscribed 😞
That's odd, I think people need to click on the notification tab now.
I'd love to see you do a video on the relationship between the PIE cultures and Persia, and perhaps possible connections to Zoroastrianism.
I am slowly writing something on this. It is a big topic, and quite complex, but maybe in about 3 to 6 months I should have something completed.
Awesome!@@Crecganford
Thanks
I would love that video on their view of eating and healing you suggested!!!
Yes, I think I will look into making that soon.
Love this video.
Thank you!
The separation of parts is based on an early understanding that everything has a soul, and the human-incarnated soul is just the leader of a soul collective, each of which follows a different path of reincarnation freed from the body.
Great video.
Hmmm, I think I should go to the store to buy more tea. Plenty of tea, actually. So far, all your video's are great. And there'll be even more great video's comming up, no doubt about that! So I need a large stock of tea, just in case. :)
You can never have too much tea!
I enjoyed what you said about the microcosm and the macrocosmos. I also agree that born follows end. Or perhaps I didn’t understand your lecture.
Food for thought! 😀
Life is the consubstantiality of matter and spirit. Like the signal and the radio. Water binds them as an antenna in this analogy. When the radio breaks, the signal doesn't disappear. Another radio can be made to catch that signal. Something like that.
according to some of the many footnotes in robert grave's greek myths boreas, the north wind, may have been believed at some point to impregnate horses, or had some kind of cultural significance in this capacity
Thanks!
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I really hope that you can choose whether you want to reincarnate or not. I don't want to, and if I'm forced to, it's just unfair and against my free will!
If this very early view of reincarnation is true, then there is no personal soul that will transmigrate and retain memories of their previous lives, it would be a different person by next incarnation.
but what would be the point of that?@@iachtulhu1420
verdadero mucho gracias
4:29 this makes me wonder how good they were at composting. I wonder if the archaeologists have found ways to identify this type of activity?
look up Terra preta, it's a special south american soil, they've been making for 1000 of yers but no one really understood how, many very interesting papers on it.
It's been my experience that this was well understood. Among key words it is proven that the pre-agra people did another farming. Similar to promoting wild herds to live near your settlement.
The term Fomorian also means bag-carrier and it denotes soil and seeds. From my look it suggests a technology to rewild bare rock from erosion. (As the glaciers melt deionized water ) Transplanted black soil.
The subsequent time of exploitation has obscured this but the old way existed around the world as well.
In the ruins near cold bogs, it's been found that mining waste was repurposed as fertilizer. The technique is obscured as well, now known to us as green vitriol.
So that would be several types of composting, really
"Order" or negentropy doesn't just seem integral to biology but also culture and psychology.
Makes me wonder if life might only be possible during a certain degree of entropy in the universe.
I think it is more about comforting those that stay behind. The unknown is always scary. Many times the Fear of the Unknown is more Fearful than the Unknown itself. That is what the Tyranosaurus in me tells me. Heheheeh...
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I understand that before 10,000 BC people probably believed they were equals with animals. They moved around with them and ate them and got eaten by them. So, it seems reasonable that they would not have issue with humans and cattle having similar fates.
I had a strange experience, followed by several others in the same place that became special to me, there is a lot to tell, so I came to think that everything is possible, even reincarnation (minus the end of the world at least about 4 billion years).
why do you need to have a warning about discussions of death? i wasn't aware people have fallen this low as to need a warning for the only thing that they are guaranteed
Because people have commented that they are very sensitive to such things, and for the sake of 10 seconds work I can avoid all those people commenting.
@@Crecganford this is news to me. i can't wait until we get back to the natural order of things so people won't be so afraid of death
Seriously? People who are "triggered" that easily need to quietly read Jane Austen in the corner.
1 Cor 15:36-37 _How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else._
Edit: What do you think of Michael Witzel's tracing of the "birth-life-death of the world" storyline to the Stone Age?
_“Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself running with them. Think constantly on the changes of the elements into each other, for such thoughts wash away the dust of earthly life.”_ Marcus Aurelius
I really enjoyed this!
I feel i am onboard with this version of reincarnation, aligns with my personal beliefs and i believe science supports it 'energy changes but does not end' (sorry i have brainfog and know iv totally hashed it n it might be matter n not energy even XD)
It also reminded me of the lion king 'we die and our bodies become the grass' 'but dont the antelope eat the grass?' moment in the film. Probably my first brush with the idea of reincarnation. I think i was 7-9 and it always rung true for me.
I do think that instinctively, humanity finds it difficult to view death as the end of all existence for the individual who has died. so maybe that is why im drawn to the idea of reincarnation, albeit i doubt as an exact replica with same experiences and personality, i do however have a tendancy to think that somehow we chose to be born in order to learn and grow, to help the world become a better place and i try to live with that as my ethos.
I half-believe we are spirits/conscious forms of energy/part of the conscious cosmos living in a physical body.
Im open-minded regards the idea of an individuals' consciousness 'surviving death', but it is enough for me to know that my body will decompose, recombine and help sustain other forms of life. In that way i will not 'die' die, but be absorbed.
I also had a psilocybin ego-death experience; I 'woke up' having transitioned from a different 'decomposing' narrative to one where i was 'one with and within' the soil of the earth, micro-life, worms, roots all around me, i was 'awareness', observing the micro-world of the soil. After this 'vision', im alot happier about the idea of one day dying, alot calmer, less resistant and hateful to the idea.
Im by no means eager, but like peter pan 'death will be a wonderful adventure' i'll finally learn the truth of it all, because if i cease to have awareness, i wont know about it, wont matter if im wrong in these thoughts XD
Indeed❤️♾️❤️
Do we know if Indo Europeans engaged in trade with other cultures and if so at what distances?
What I'm very struck by is that in some ways these early descriptions wind up being somewhat compatible with modern science. For example, these days we understand very clearly how the material of dead organisms "recycles" into the environment, perhaps becoming part of other organisms in the future. That's more or less what the old myths describe - just in a way that reflects the lack of technical understanding the ancients had.
This goes on. Originally there were "chaotic waters" - nothingness. And then the cosmos appeared out of that. Well, what was there before the Big Bang? Nothing, or at least nothing we know how to talk about yet. And then the cosmos just appeared out of that. Etc. - these parallels strike me as things to think about.
@ 21:43 you use the word anthropogogony. I could not find a definition of this word on the internet. Please, what is this?
Anthropogony refers to the study or the mythological narrative of the origin of humanity.
Aither is not necessarily equal to air. It could also mean clear sky. So souls going back to the "ether" could mean something more esoteric.
Yes, it could, but I show the passage I reference it from, and in that context I am happy with the definition.
When you talked about the dead becoming food, Jon, I thought of the practice of "sky burial" in which the corpse was exposed to the elements and would feed both animals and plants until only the bones remained. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this was a common practice among the Zoroastrians. It's interesting that ancient beliefs echo the "scientific" idea that matter is neither created nor destroyed, but simply recycled. We are made from what always was and we will be recycled. Among the native tribes in the Philippines there is a strong belief that the ancestors are always with us, and will guide and protect us until we join them and repeat the process. As you said, death is just a moment of transition.
Yes, Zoroastrians practiced that, and often let a corpse be eaten by dogs or birds, hence why dogs and birds are seen as creatures that connect the living with the dead (such as Odin's ravens and wolves). I talk about this in my video "Can dogs guide us to the underworld?"
@@Crecganford Ah yes, Jon! I remember that video.
Being an heir to family's material & spiritual wealth is a healthy cannabalistic' diet ensuring better odds for your descendants success . . .
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Nah. Reincarnation, Resurrection, and Raise Dead cost too much gold. And you can never find a Cleric of a high enough level to cast those spells when you need them. Just roll up another character.
So was the earth diver myth then zorastranism the beginning of all religion? It seems to me a mix of both?
The Earth Diver myths is one of the oldest motifs we can recover, Zoroastrianism happened a long time after that. And Zoro Astra replaced an existing Indo-European religion with Proto Indo-European origins. I will make a video about it next year.
Hey, you never talked about the 'Battle of 10 kings' in vedas. You said you will 2 years ago but till now you didn't. It's a crucial part of Indo-European history, especially the Indo-aryan. You should have covered it.
You don’t believe in reincarnation said the young boy
No said the old man
That’s alright I didn’t believe in it when I was your age he said back
A moment in infinity; infinity in a moment..
A drop in the ocean; an ocean in a drop..
Oops, mis-spelled research...
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What is the story of the cow, especially in Hinduism? I thought that the cow was given as food and nourishment for people, yet it is worshiped and not eaten by Hindus. I know they eat milk and butter. Is this a change from the primordial cow, or was I just wrong about the cow being eaten? Thank you.
The cow was a gift of god used in the creation of food and plants, which evolved into being considered completely sacred, and so not harmed.
First of all Hindus do not worship cows, many are vegetarians and they consider the cow to be a sacred symbol of life that should be protected and revered. Perhaps you are confused with their reverence for cows as worship.
@@Crecganford Thank you. The inclusion of a cow in creation of humanity is so interesting to me, particularly as it is the only female in the story. It reminds me of the Holy Ghost, which is obviously (to me) the Mother God. Any future videos on females in creation myths would be fascinating. Love your work so much. Thank you again and again.
@@dianetheone4059never considered that but followed on the thought i heard elsewhere that considering how God's name is blasphemed her name was kept secret to protect her from the sams treatment. now i have something to look into
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mer=entropy.
I think we reincarnate into a different universe or a new universe after the end of this universe.
So the Proto Indo Europeans believed in Reincarnation.
I thought it was a foreign borrowing.
does everybody believe the dead will rise? who believes the dead will rise? what exactly do they think?
genetik. epygenetik and power law.
I can see the dead and even have a conversation if the astral form is a living person there is pulsing light in the transperant blue form if it is a dead person astral form there is no pulsing light in the astal form.
The first time I heard about this was from Varg Vikernes and since then I am very sure that there is reincarnation in this world for us.
Yes, I do. The other possible choice is oblivian. Nothing else makes sense.
I really like listening to your reports and all the insights you share with us.
But it's quite difficult following you as your recording has an intense resonance which brings my speakers to vibrate, lessening the experience immensly to the point of switching to something else, because I hardly understand you. (It's not my speakers. I have the same problem on headphones, PC, caraudio and when streaming on TV.)