472 VS 421 Banshee Part 1 | Major Failures
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472 VS 421 Banshee Part 1 | Major Failures
This is the first of our comparison series of a 472 and a 421 Banshee
Finally, John and I have gotten together to make a collaboration for you guys. We had a plan to do plug chops, but because of the weather and other barriers, we had to get creative. There will be a race soon!
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Dude my banshee ran night and day different with the lectron carbs and a white Bros boost bottle. I had boysen rad valves with Toomey t5 exhaust. It was a total beast with the carb change
What kind of oil are you mixing with your gas and what octane are you using? I'm a big fan of KLOTZ oil mix
@@joshua_J Sounds very nice. Boost bottles are a joke though.
wtf where is his channel
fuck the height what's his channel
Hellcat channel banshee is crazy fast
It's your coil bud
I bet those spark plug caps read 0 ohms on that Chinese coil.
Buy a stock OEM coil. And your problem will go away.
250race I have a Chinese coil and it works great but i doubt it will last as long as oem
I'm hearing this from a lot of people; I have new OEM boots in the mail for my OEM coil 👊 Thank you
@@MichaelSabo
Cute 16th of a inc. off the wire so you have new copper showing.
If it was my bike I would pull that spark plug wire out of that stock coil a ohm both wires.
A new 2 stroke wire is at 5 to 5.5 ohms any lower it no good.
@@MichaelSabo
I don't know what oil you are running but if I was you I would run the Maxim Castor 927
64oz is about $30 on Amazon bike shops that could be 40 bucks.
It will leave no carbon on the top of your piston or on your down.
36/1 to 40/1 and you will be fine.
You have a bad ass bike and that what I would run.
I honestly believe that you can never go wrong with a banshee
What in what way u mean like they will never fail?
bought a 96 back in 98 right after the guy rebuilt it, 3400$ 2 years later it was stolen never have been in a position to get another ride.
Please take them rocket pipes off brother. They don't make any power 3rd gear and up especially in 6th. Get a set of Shearer pipes. There the best. They make more H.P
Then any pipe on the market. All this is dyno proven brother. Iv dyno and track tested 6 different pipes and yes iv even tried C.P.I. pipes also. Shearer still made more power and my track time was faster with Shearer. Them Rocket pipes come in last on the dyno and the 1/8 mile track. Then SLP pipes make more H.P. then them Rockets pipes. My best friend bought the rocket pipe company by the way.
P.S. This is Kenny at Banshee Boy'z.
I can tell you some great combinations jetting, pipes... ext sorry my website is down at the moment but you can call my shop I'm here all day but Friday and weekends I'm on the dyno or at track. I love ur videos. I subscribe to ur channel. I really appreciate you guys making videos for the little guys. Iv been doing the same always helping the little guys go faster.
I can hear that kick starter rattling from 2000 miles away haha
Lol 😂
I’ve owned my Badshee for over 21yrs . Poked and Stroked , Fully Modified, still own it and rip it ! Had an issue years ago with my stator (only on a upper rev) not on idle - and one time with my water pump impeller (over heated) kinda same issues you guys are having in this video . Crazy
That's awesome man! It's cool to hear you've had the same Banshee for so long. They can definitely be temperamental!
Let that garage queen out the wrapper brother!!!!!!!!! Give it hell!!!! love your stuff gorgeous machine man
Thanks so much man! Wont be long before shes all muddy 😅
You’re not going fast if your not mixing the gas . Nice machines.
Haha, thanks so much man! 👊🤘
First thing I thought was he must be running a nos head. And yes, absolutely, $10,000+ to build a quality 4mill machine. I know. I've got two. Never again unless it's on someone else's ticket lmao!
Directdriveline has good 421 cylinder package. Will still need carbs, intake and reeds though. But what you get is something that looks stock but is sleeper all the way. Thanks guys, later on.
Hell yea man, if you're talking about the 421 assassin kit from driveline, that is what I am running 🤘
@@MichaelSabo Yes sir. And with their stealth head cool dome. Right around $1450 or so, cylinders, stealth head, pistons, rings etc, welded crank. Will need to buy the 35mm keihin carbs (polished around $350 through Cascade), 4vforce reeds ($400)and Vito's intake (Amazon $171)... In my opinion a solid choice and could be argued obviously as the perfect choice. But you know what's up.
Later sheebrother
@@JasonAlexzander1q47 vforce reeds are no good......from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
@@billallen4793 Like I said, to be argued I'm sure. I appreciate your opinion. But don't be a hater. I've never had problems with mine, just good things.
Later bud
@@JasonAlexzander1q47 just trying to save you money and heartache... also I've NEVER seen hp increase on a dinometer using vforce reeds.....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
Built exact same set up as u have mike....same pipes...carbs....cylinders and crank....at sea level I was running 160 mains and 55 pilots....needle second clip from top....try it out for a baseline if ur having problems w the jetting
I'd just like to say you guys have done a great job at building your quads and hope you fix your problems. I'm sixteen and just rebuilt my 92 cr125 top to bottom and it runs great I've had no issues all your videos helped me get through the rebuilds.
Thanks so much for the feedback Henry; John and I have had a lot of fun building these quads and I'm sure we will get them tuned just right 🤘 That's awesome you built your CR; I'm happy to hear that my videos have helped!
But I do have a question when I'm in high rpms mainly 4, 5 and 6th gear I have a hard bog till about 1/4 throttle and then it hits like a truck would you have any solutions to this problem
You should reach out to Lectron carburetors for a carb if you seen Trail Blogger he has one and it sounds so good.
I just posted the same thing the lectron carbs made all the difference in the world on mine
Learning to tune a carburator is not that hard.
JAWWK checkout the smartcarb. Lectrons are great but the smartcarb is the latest n greatest from the creator of the lectron carb
@@jasonwhite8722 that trash is paper weight.
@@Nitrous_Busa if your referring to smartcarb quality/performance. ill add you to the neg reviews list .. Lectrons are great for those that understand how to tune. and race proven. Smartcarb is getting more bad feedback then good it seems from the reasearch ive done.. thx for your opinion.
I've been watching lots of these videos of John's and it seems every video he makes, his banshee dont run well at all. I run a stock banshee and ride it hard and never have a problem at all. Is it because John's banshee is running to much power? I thought about doing some work to mine but yalls video made me change my mind thanks and have great day
Some people do shitty work
Love you guys...Texas bashee is the beast...but 6k$ on a banshee and you cannot even drift once into mud...and there you go with a 20 minutes video..seriously? Michael, you quad is a monster and it seems jetted ok for a 5 minutes ride.
Great video. The banshees sound sick.
Thank you man! I will have more footage where we are actually riding the bikes and you can see what they do 🤘
It's like the meeting of Smith and Wesson. :)
There is an unwritten rule if you build a banshee you push it back to the garage early on. I had to lol damn head studs.
Much respect but what’s the point if you can’t enjoy them without worrying about “popping” them
What you don't understand is that if you tune it right, it won't pop unless its worn out. My dad used to tune banshees and he got one up to 130mph.
Those comparisons sound good to me! Do it up!
Your banshee has sounded like that before the 4mil. Back when you had those China carbs. It’s never been crispy bro
Sounds flat you both need to find 5th and 6th gears c how they run there. 👍 Brap Brap
Forgive me for asking, but what are plug chops?
I would get a chain guide by the rear sprocket before you was the chain into the cases. Not only does it suck to damage cases. But when your out and about and trying to get the chain unwaded and back on so you can ride on. Nice rides and good job on the video. We should be exchanging video info soon. My son is on me to do real life with our banshees and our other rides also..
Did your plastic get rashed from the tarp on the drive. Never cover your machine while driving. How much fuel do you have.
But hey Mike you gotta get a time and date to have a ride out with your subscribers that would be awesome bro
John and I are talking about getting a group ride together where subscribers are invited 🤘 Thanks so much for the support and for watching!
Would be stupid fast if you knew how to get the bike running right 🤣
Nice video bro! Did a great job!! Race break repeat
There he is whats up jake 🤙
Stupid Fast what’s up!!!
First comment been waiting for this wooooooohoooooooo
My maaaan 🤘👊 thank you for watching!
Awesome vid and bikes
Michael savor my quad does the same thing but even works I don’t know if it’s too lean or too rich. Help
Thanks for video man I love them both both are bad ass to me great video
Awesome been waiting to see how it went. Too bad things don't go as planned. You'll get it next time dude. Keep up the great work. 👍
Thanks so much bro! We have some really good videos planned for the future!
My guess lean. What size carbs...
Cant wait 4 more
that cool i hope you will make more video togheder
Great video bro !!! The banshees sound sick man can’t wait to see you guys next collab
Thank you for the feedback and for watching bro!
Awesome Mike & John《☆》Nice collaboration fellas :*: I like the sound of yours Mike. It will definitely be fun to see who makes the bigger dyno power ☻
Those aftermarket headlights; where did you get them?
hey Michael I am going to pick up my 4mill motor right now it just got done I had a question about the break-in do I use the same gas and fuel mixture as I'm going to after the break in to break it in or should I run a little rich
always run it rich during break in im pretty sure
Thanks buddy
Rich, yes. 15-30% heavy on oil.
I highly recommend a few ounces of Lucas fuel stabilizer and or octane booster for upper cylinder lubricant and a titch of Lucas synthetic oil stabilizer not just for break in is very noticeable but very important to run 24-7 in my opinion but hey that's just me!!!
Good luck with everything!!!
Edit: The synthetic oil stabilizer goes with the gear lube, not the fuel into the fuel tank hahahaha!!!
I agree with the above, I usually run a little on the rich side for the first tank or so.
Thanks for the comments guys
Cool head O-ring gasket let loose....
Cold head gasket xD
We know who got bigger balls so bro
lol, these things would be completely useless in the trails here in North Jersey. Fucking sweet though.
Thanks man! My 421 might be okay in the trails; I took it for a small ride on some trails and it handles pretty nicely with good torque down low!
@@MichaelSabo The pine barren's would be sick but up north it's a regular fucking rock garden. Brutal. Warrior or 400EX is the way too go.
@@3rdaxis649 oh yea, I've ridden the pine barrens and I love it. Some of the open fire roads, you can really get up to speed and RIP the wide corners sideways. I hear you on the rocks; some of the places in northern PA are brutal too.
@@MichaelSabo I'm tearing down a Banshee now which is how I came across your vid's. Rebuilt a lot of quads but never a 350 twin. And boy you were right about this thing being easy to work on. Fucking breeze. Have you posted a video about tuning and syncing the carb's?
Almost looks like the upper a arms on the first bike are on the wrong side
ThatFlyIrishGuy the first banshee they rode had a arms!!! The second had upper j arms
Kid said he was showing up to sabotage your rig !
You can clearly see that the headgasket blew
TEAM Sabo!!!
Yes I've been waiting for this!
ow that is cute those mini quads for the kids :) LOVE IT
Hahaha, it was going on all day
@@MichaelSabo damn that is just sooo cute :) learning them young to ride quads :)
You can name your shed..... sheeshed lol
Lmfao!!! I cant believe that hasn't crossed my mind
@@MichaelSabo after seeing that commercial I had clicked on your video lol the Gods brought us together 😂. Please tell me that you are in the process of ordering a sign for the shed.
@@rebel9838 🤣🤣🤣
HP numbers for both?
Random question lol are you guys riding in Lehighton, Pa?
The youtube mechanical failure curse!
sweet, I thought I was the only one that wears a street helmet.... cool vid
This video hit home 100%, I just changed my entire top end on my raptor and on my first ride I blew my head gasket.. I know exactly what feeling you were talking about.
Build a 700xx or a ltz400
nice
👊🤘
Love your videos. What part of PA are you located?
Have you put it on the dyno?
stupied fast banshee looks nicer cuz of frame
Jon " running out of time" Mike "I'm a puss" lol jk
Where are you guys? What state?
I had two banshees. One was built i ran with guys that had banshees with built motors never had these issues. Someone sucks at building ur engines .
Lol thanks for your opinion mr.expert!
Michael Sabo lol your welcome
ahh i said in his video :)
BANSHEE FACE OFF :) yeah boiii they did it :)
Haha 🤘👊💪 thanks for watching bro!
@@MichaelSabo yeah, can't wait to see the face off, race cross drag alll :)
What’s you jetting? Those air strikers are different to jet than regular pwks. Also oem electrical for everything
Hy... i have a question do u have swingarm +6 ok 👍🏻 i have a banshee too and i buy swingarm +6 so what size i need to put to on my banshee about rear brake line How many inches do I need to buy it?
That much fun is never gona be cheap! I had a bad ass hot rod 79 Z 28 Camaro built for the drag strip and back then I rode my buddy's brand new and modified banshee but that banshee was the closest thing I have ever felt to my old Camaro! It's addicting!!! The speed the sound and ripping through the gears! That tink tink sound!!! Or the wen wen sound!
GOT A STOCK BIKE THATS AWHOLE LOT FASTER THAN THAT JUNK
At least a new one from the factory you can ride. Yeah those old ones are cool but not everyone knows how to work on them. Brand new one will start right up and you can go. No excuses about being warmed up or too lean.
U know if ur quad is runing leen if u rev it up and it rev down way slower than it should
What does leen and rich means ? Leen means less gas N more oil ? Or what
@@azzamali1340 when a 2 stroke is running lean, that means that the gas oil mixture is too low compared to the amount of air coming in, this can be extreamly hard on pistons and cylinders, most of the time that is why they blow up, the opposite of this is a rich running engine, this means that the gas/oil mixture is being put in the motor too much vs the amount of air that is being sucked in
Caleb Smith thx for reply bro , so it has nothing to do w gas/oil mixture one being more than the other ,
But it’s the gas/oil vs air huh ?
Caleb Smith N if u have any idea of how to adjust them correctly I’ll be thankful.
Correct, if it is oil injected that shouldnt be a problem, there is many videos on youtube that would be more helpfull than my trying to explain it
I literally am this guys near by neighbor
Awesome video.
Do you guys work on banshees .
If so where are you located.?
Dam 2 stroke shot
I want to ask him if the +6 stops the whole wanting to lift up feeling when going through the gears? I remember riding one back in the day and he you have it too much throtal in just about any gear it felt like it would pull a wheelie and I'm wondering if extending the rear axle outward that 6 inches makes it less prone to lifting or more!
Fuck yesssss
🤘👊
The kid on the small yellow quad is a champ coming in hot on the second go around
I love how banshee look and sound but it has to be the most high maintenance bike ever ride it for a week fix it for 3 weeks ?
Just run straight gas in um they will wake up-
crap happens...thats the fun part!
🤘👊
id be sporting that mustang around town looks like its been setting for a few years
Banshee rookies
What a arms u run? Also what size tires front and back?
He looks just like the guy on king of queens crazy.
I love the kids flying around the yard it’s great
love the content
Thank you man! 👊
wut cha got under that hood of that mustang ? twin turbos??
That stang in the back
That thing is an animal; John's cousin is building it; if I remember correctly it will be 1000+ HP. It's a strip car.
Bro , your videos are inspiring me to
Drop a gang of dough into my banshee haha , after your resto- I did the resto on mine ! Now I’m probably gonna do a stroker build ! Damn you SABO! 😂😂 dope collaboration
And Stupid Fast needs to surface is cool head. Sharpie the whole head lay two sheets of sandpaper on granite or glass go back and forth until the Sharpie is gone. You guys need to get your o rings from Eddie Sanders racing. Is all rings are a lot thicker Dan the O-rings you guys are using in your quad
lol!!!!!
Great collab cool u guys compared the builds
Thank you man! I'm glad you enjoyed it; we will have many more videos to come!
Drag race
It's coming man 🤘
I don't like quads but I do like Banshees
Yeah we know enough to be dangerous
Lol so true
Keep ‘em coming great content and not to sound like a total douchebag brother but you might want to change the thumbnail on this vid from 421 serval to 421 assassin. The serval port timing is lower at 186.8. Just for reference the cub is at 196/7 and the assassin cylinders are in between the two. Nice setup with any of those jugs and like I said keep up the hard work. I know a lot of work goes into these videos. Thumbs up, new subscriber!
Oh, thank you man; I actually did not know that the assassin had different port timing than serval. I appreciate you giving me the information. Thanks so much for subscribing man!
What’s better? Serval or assassin?
HURT 1 Serval, but the assassins are still great cylinders, especially dollar for dollar. They have been producing some good numbers lately.
@@baycitybanshee5238 I’m looking at an 03 banshee with the serval kit. It has 34 mm keihn carbs, small bore shearers, noss head, no airbus with k&n’s. Any idea what kind of hp it should be putting out? Guy says it has less than 2 hours on the build
HURT 1 Need to know if it’s stock stroke, 4 mil, 7 mil or 10 mil. Ported or unported. Make sure it’s actually a serval and not what he says it is. Every dyno is different, don’t get too hung up on the numbers. Stock stroke & 4mil - 80’s 90’s depending on setup. 7mil and 10 mil - 90’s,100+.
Sweet!!!!! Hell yes 🤙🤙🤙
😎 your version is better though; I must say
@@MichaelSabo thanks brother 🤙👊 except the background music. You were right its better without it seems!
Hey mike could you please do a review on those bp racing carbs in need of some and want to see how they work out
My friend you blew the head gaskets or stretched the head bolts sprayed out threw head gasket
What A Arms are you sitting on?
But what years are they
472 is an 01 (in question) and the 421 is a 1990 🤘
Very informative video!
Thanks man 👊
Have you guys ridden dunes