The first generation Bowleys have been "claimed" to have been impressioned but the owner states more accurate information below. Turns out the second generations has had numerous improvements and is not susceptible to bumping/impressioning.
That is probably true, but heaven help you if the foil falls off inside the lock while in a locked door. $170 wasted. I think I'll give it a try though because all I have to do if the foil falls off and jams up the mechanism is pull out the pins and take it apart to clean out.
Here is the link if you needed. www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=61799&hilit=bowley+lock There is information on tolerances and info from Ryan Bowley himself. The impressioning might be located in the advanced section though.
I've been wanting to see a clear demonstration on this lock since the first go fund page!!!! THANK YOU BILL!!!! Now that it's clear that it IS rather bump "proof" I would think impressioning is going to be the only way to defeat (minus a 3/8 in carbide tipped drill bit and a WHOLE bunch of misery) ... Unmounted, foil would be worth a try, especially if you use an adhesive foil or some super glue to try to prevent the foil from coming off..... If it were mounted however I wouldn't risk a foil impression for the same reason Bill gave, also given the steel key, you're not going to get any marks on it to do a traditional impression if you could get a key blank... HOWEVER... Using the bump key that Bill made there COULD be other options.... You just have to go back in time a little bit... fitting since the warded design... (then again, as a locksmith who specializes in antiques, I MIGHT just be thinking every problem requires a hammer, if you catch my meaning, still here's my thoughts) First thought just to effect an unlock would be wax (I use this technique to open old, but in good condition, lever locks with curtains and / or wards that make picking a PITA, and steel key blanks that don't mark) . Rough up the "bump key" a bit with some sandpaper, then carefully "fill" the cuts with wax, allow the wax to cool and clean it up with a sharp knife. Put the key in the fridge for an hour or so (a thermos of ice water works as well) then just check that the wax is well and truly stuck to the key and impression as usual. It'll usually get an unlock, and the wax won't prevent other options even if it chips off and the attempt fails. (worst case scenario, a pencil torch will clear out any wax without getting the lock hot enough to damage to door). When it works, it works fast, and you get a decent idea of the cuts this way so you can prepare a blank, but it's definitely not a working key you can rely on for multiple uses. The second, which would actually produce a working key (at least for a fair number of unlocks) works the same way, except instead of using wax, you use soft solder. Then you impression the key using a file, just like traditional key blank impressioning. (I STILL would prepare an actual blank for the customer in this case, as the solder will wear after heavy use, and then melt off the solder for reuse of the prepped key) Hope this helps in defeating the INfamous (as in MORE than famous) Bowley... (if it does, can I get one of those keys, just in case I run into one? lol)
No available adapter for the proper sheer line cut, and THEN you have tensioning once you've killed the pins.. and that's stainless.... Can the ole "rotary pick" do it?... With a carbide tipped bit, Yep... It's universal... Do I WANT to drill one out? Much like ASSA V-10s or Medeco M3s, but even MORESO.... NOPE!!!! lol
As a mechanical engineer (and lock agnostic), even I can still appreciate the solid thinking that went behind this design, *like all brilliant ideas its stupidly simple yet brutally effective.* This little baby inspired me, I love this lock!
"We should make the keyway really curved to make it hard to get a pick in there!" "We should put lots of security pins in so that it's difficult to tell what pins are set!" Patrick: "We should take the lock... and push it somewhere else!"
@@xl000 That’s where you’re wrong. The mechanical engineers original statement is not false. I believe the misunderstanding is where in modern times marketing alone has gotten in the world deeply deeply misinformed and where they have stopped the media has picked up. Please give us a list of these things that are genius but are not simple my guess is they could be done simple however to give trademarks are registering a very complicated process is used... I’m just a blue-collar working guy but I know it’s simple to make a car that would run 1000 years but it’s very very fucking complicated to make one that’s Designed to run perfect for five years or 50,000 miles and then after that just completely become a lemon but then again those are great ideas that’s just marketing making you think it’s a great idea. Making people think they want this creature cut my comforts or think they want these accessories but most all that crap That’s designed into complicated bills are asked for to start with it’s just a way to get more money out of a product
As an engineer all I can manage to say is "Wow!" Beautiful piece of machinery, nicely thought out. Lots of very good thought went into that design. I suspect putting a hole in most doors would be easier (and much faster) than trying to fiddle with that lock. (If the door is too tough, try the walls.)
Thanks for sharing your view of the world of locks with us, Bill! I've always enjoyed being along for the ride as you show us their strengths and weaknesses.
With locks like this, just bypass them with a more classic method of forced entry: breaking the door or a window. Such a beautiful lock though. I love the industrial design of it.
@@LSLencrypted I mean... I never thought that lockpicking is something cool to do in freetime other than criminal activities... but having picked it up myself it's actually really therapeutic and feels more like puzzles that require skill than anything...
The very first video of yours that I remember finding (on Reddit of all places), and one of the first videos that got me into lockpicking. Thank you for your years of service to the community and for all the knowledge that you've given out!
Good lord, Bill! When I thought you'd bumped it, I was ready to say "This is why we can't have nice things!" My Bowley deadbolts will remain on my doors. I do see on opportunity to push off the pin cover though. I'd be convoluted bypass, but I think it is doable.
I Was Told Any Lock Can be Compromised? I Respect Your Expertise. This is One of The First Lock Tutorials That Makes Me Want To Buy it. Thanks For Sharing.
So I'm drinking a coffee, and at 9:19 when Bill gets a 'false bump' I got so exited I had to turn and cover my face to keep coffee from going everywhere! Good show as always Bill, Thanks
Kudos to Bowley Lock Co. for the amount of thought that has been applied to this product and for discussing ideas for product improvement with (potential) users.
hey, if I rip the babaco locks off my new to me work van(used to be a money transport, its an armored van), would you want them? They have some crazy keys, and don't seem like it could be something that would be easily picked.
So perhaps that moment when you thought you had bumped it and our hearts raced a little... maybe you had bumped the pins, but you hadn't managed to actuate the notch in the back?
I think that he was right, that he had just pulled the key out of the notch. To even be applying pressure to attempt the bump, that has to be in already. Personally I'm curious if a bump key could be made with a chamfer on that stub that would create a rotational force at a specific timing to the bumping action. You almost wouldn't need to apply tension other than to see if you were successful, because the tip would do the "knocking" rotationally as the cuts make the bump. I think you would need to add material to the key, however, maybe blob weld on there, and mill it back down. The security pins would *likely* still trap you, but it might give more of a fighting chance.
I wonder if you can make a key where the key and the actuator are connected by a spring of some sort. That way the key itself doesn't need to be locked in place and can move.
A bump key can't work because pin 1 (the pin closest to the front or keyhole side of the lock) does not have "tooth" or bump behind it. You are only bumping 4 of the pins, not all 5. The only way this could work is if pin 1 was zero depth (deepest cut) so it does not need to be bumped. As long as Bowley never cuts pin 1 to zero depth, their lock will never be bumped open.
@@imstu2620 Well, you could make a bump key with a bumping surface for pin 1. Not from a Bowley-provided key because there's no steel there -- Bosnianbill's never had a chance of working. But the flat surface behind pin 1 is just a property of the Bowley key, not a property of the keyway, there's plenty of space in there.
hey Bill just wanted to say I love watching your videos I was in the army for six years and I'm just started learning to pick locks and I learn so much from you and I appreciate it and no matter how many of your videos I watch I always learn something new thanks
Inception comes from latin, incipere, which means 'begin' and later evolved into the modern english "inception" which still only means "beginning of" in any context, referencing any concept, activity, idea, or plan, or any other origin point in time. If anything used the word incorrectly, it would more likely be the film's choice as a title, as the film does not at any point deal with a concept being generated, and always deals with the prospect of ideas coming from outside sources, which also were not the originators of them.
THANK YOU! I watched the LPL work on these before..but I never really understood HOW the key actuated the lock. Until..you showed us with that simple piece of paper!! It was a great idea sir..thanks again! I do enjoy both of your guys videos. A lot of difference actually between the way you two work..or attack a lock. Keep up the good work sir!
Glad I got my locks with the startup. Thanks Bill, I was hoping you would get the opportunity to try one of these locks. Looks like I made a good decision for a change.
Great lock. I wonder if the fake key would have rubber-like bumps, would it mold itself into the correct shape with bumping ? The ultrasonic drill will probably break this, but then again it would break all locks. The better insurance is in the video camera that uploads pics to the cloud.
Thank you so much for all the outstanding content!! Sharing knowledge it's one of the most noble things one can do. And your retirement seems to be for an ever greater motive. Congrats and thank you very much! Best wishes!!!
Try something for me, get 2 keys.. file them or mill them thinner to be the same width as the usual key.. the one key has the flag which engages the rear face to tension the lock. the second half has the deep cuts with the typical bumpkey pattern. then you "bump" the key you are just pushing the second half of the key to bump the pins while you are twisting on the first half.
Lastly..thanks to you and the LPL you have shown me the locks for my new home!! They make the grade 3 of course which is what I will go with. FAR from cheap for sure..but if your going to use a lock..use one that actually works! Great video!!
Foil impressioning has been proven to work but I think they made changes to the lock make it harder. Also, the easy way to remove those circlips is to use a tool on each side to prevent it from spinning.
I loved the music and Mr. bosnianbill sure tried to dance with the lock; it just wouldn't. I know nothing about lockpicking but got into watching videos like this and this one was very interesting to watch!
I think the reason you can't bump the lock is because there isn't a ramp at the to bounce pin 1 up. the end of the tab facing the shoulder of the key is flat. There's no bump effect being applied to pin 1 during your attack.
I was thinking the same thing. I think you would need to grind down the flat end of the key that goes flush against the back of the lock as well, and find a way to add an additional shoulder to the rear of the key. Kinda doubt that would fit through the cylinder though...
I doubt that matters. It appears to me that once they've fallen into that valley you just bump it like a regular lock. The thing that makes it harder is that you tend to disengage the tension thing but still, it doesn't seem impossible. I see what you mean though: The pins are lowered once you push the key into that notch. But if you design the bumpkey just right it should be possible to bump them back up once they've fallen in.
Ah, good point. It doesn't need to be a whole bump hill though. Just a tiny, small notch should be enough I think, and it does appear like there's room for that because there's a bit of a flat spot. In fact, looking at the video a little more it does look like Bill hollowed that out a little, but probably not quite enough. But your previous comment did make me wonder, if a lockpicker were to manipulate the inner sleeve somehow without the key, while he would not have access to the pins, would it render the lock inoperable with the pins falling down?
Thank you for clearing that up. It wasn't immediately obvious from the video that the slot is too narrow for the key pins to fall all the way in and it seemed to me like the lock needed the key to be pulled backwards to lift the pins back above that inner shearline, implying it no longer works when there's no key. It's good to see that steps have been taken to prevent that.
According to their website the pins 'fall' into place, instead of being pushed up into place. So bumping does not work, because the pins don't "spring up" but have to go down...
well they dont just fall, they spring into place, considering what we saw in here, but technically if the tension was already there (which it isnt, for a good reason) a bump might be possible, because even if the logic is inverted, the principle stays, this time it is just hoping that the key pins fall faster that the pins of the lock body., probably also a reason why we have springs so that this wont happen so easily, but aside from the different default resting position the basics are the same as for a normal US style lock with the pins on top and the gravity and springs pushing the pins down towards the core.
Falling into place makes sense if one were to consider how the pins interact with the key. In locked position with no key, the pins are shoved fully into the pin Chambers and stay there until the moment you get the key grooves in line with the pins and push the key forward to mate with the notch at the back;, then they drop in, and if the shears line up, unlock it. Relocking it is the reverse; pulling the key lifts the pins and shoving them almost completely into the pin chambers, and turning the idler stores them in the chambers; otherwise you get pins falling out. The key 'peaks' in between all the key grooves do exactly that. Worst case scenario is if one of those peaks get damaged, dented, filed down or removed somehow, you end up with a key stuck in there, and having to disassemble the whole thing to fix it.
Great video as always Bill! When it seems you bump-opened the Bowley I've jumped right over the chair! I was really hoping you can do it! Anyway super gutting, I really liked to see the inner parts, much more clear than Bowley animation. Thanks for showing!!!
His bump key was long enough to reach into the actuator slot because when he inserted the bump key fully, the key wouldn't turn; the only thing keeping it from turning is the pins.
Martin Tince you are under the same impression as I was but now I'm not: the key won't rotate because its actuator is engaged in the slot and the pins are not set. If the key's actuator wasn't in the slot it would just keep spinning.
Holy crap! Awesome little lock, unless you do forcible entry, I have no idea how to get past this one. Thank you for showing everyone Bill! Much appreciated
I work Fire/Rescue and we do use lock picking as a less "destructive" method to obtain entry. But my FAVORITE "lock pick" is called the Halligan Bar. That will get your door open!
Assuming this was in a security rated door and frame, it would appear to be one of the most secure locks available. As has been mentioned, you could probably impression it given the time, but no thief is going to do that trying to break in.
Yay Canada, for smart people and GREAT Ingenuity. Bowley Bros. - keep up the good work! (From a long ago American. Mom says an ancestor met the Mayflower. Whoopee)
I has been waiting for this video since the look was announced, is nice to see that they really put the extra effort to make a great product. And thanks to Bill for the video. I hope you can try the impression method just to see if is possible as others have stated, but I get it if you don't want to risk damaging the look.
Watching this gave me an idea for what you need... A special tool.. it would be in the same shape as the key with hydraulically actuated "picks" ... I have the entire design in my mind and im almost 8 mins into this video :)
A very clever lock design. In the bigger picture I think the leading technology is actually the key rather than the lock. One you've figured how to make such a convoluted key durable, the design options for the lock mechanism are considerably broader. But I have to wonder - if you insert your bump key and turn/push to the unlock position, could you bump the pins up using pulsating compressed air? I would think there is a small angle range where you can tension the barrel before the idler groove contacts the pins.
The nub you ground down is preventing the actuator from turning. I have figured out a way to get past all of their security with a bump key... I need to get one of these locks. You got past the tech with a bump key but needed the nub to turn the core...🤔🤔
That bump key is a work of art. Did you say you'd give it away? I'd wear that around my neck, it's both beautiful and ironic - a bump key for an unbumpable lock.
Unless Bowley do a widow lock it's only as good as your door or house hold security as a whole. Neat lock but not the overall answer. Thanks for sharing Bill 👍😎😘😘
I've never seen a window that had an actual lock. They all latch from the inside. If you want in, you pry it until the latch breaks, or break the glass. If you want to keep people out, you put bars on it or live on a higher floor.
SomeDumbGuy you don't live in the U.K. then 😂😂😂 Most windows will have locks (waffers and rubbish,but locks never the less). My point was the lock is great but not the end of your security needs when it comes to your property 😘🤔🤔
If you can get a pipe that can fit in you can build a pick for it that uses wires to activate the pins. 5 pins so 5 stiff wires with the body of the pick itself giving tension. The hardest part is leaving enough material for the turns and still letting the wires past.
It can't be bumped because pushing the key in doesn't create any force on the pins. They're already in the top position, and pushing the key in just creates a space for them to fall.
Potential "royal suck" for anyone owning this lock is that any person with a scribe can lock them out. Rotate the round part a small section at a time using the scribe through the key hole until pins fall into the slot and the lock is disabled until taken apart.
you can try to cut the "pinned" part of the key, and rotate it inside the lock, so the pins will fall in the inner cicle, then rotate it back and extract them. then put inside again the key and unlock it :D
Could you maybe add gobs of solder to your bump key and then impression it? Foil impression should work too. If any pieces came off the key it shouldn't be a big deal. Everything should be able to be pulled out of the lock in the same position the key comes out, unless the foil gets wrapped around the cylinder like a shim.
This would make a great car ignition lock. If you've had anything to drink you can't operate the lock. If you have one on your front door, it's going to be a bit of a pain when you come home from the bar, though.
Use a pick to rotate the sleeve and get into the dimple. After rotated and in place, drill a hole in line with the pins. Use that hole with picks to release the core.
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The first generation Bowleys have been "claimed" to have been impressioned but the owner states more accurate information below. Turns out the second generations has had numerous improvements and is not susceptible to bumping/impressioning.
That is probably true, but heaven help you if the foil falls off inside the lock while in a locked door. $170 wasted. I think I'll give it a try though because all I have to do if the foil falls off and jams up the mechanism is pull out the pins and take it apart to clean out.
Here is the link if you needed.
www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=61799&hilit=bowley+lock
There is information on tolerances and info from Ryan Bowley himself. The impressioning might be located in the advanced section though.
I've been wanting to see a clear demonstration on this lock since the first go fund page!!!! THANK YOU BILL!!!!
Now that it's clear that it IS rather bump "proof" I would think impressioning is going to be the only way to defeat (minus a 3/8 in carbide tipped drill bit and a WHOLE bunch of misery) ... Unmounted, foil would be worth a try, especially if you use an adhesive foil or some super glue to try to prevent the foil from coming off..... If it were mounted however I wouldn't risk a foil impression for the same reason Bill gave, also given the steel key, you're not going to get any marks on it to do a traditional impression if you could get a key blank...
HOWEVER... Using the bump key that Bill made there COULD be other options.... You just have to go back in time a little bit... fitting since the warded design... (then again, as a locksmith who specializes in antiques, I MIGHT just be thinking every problem requires a hammer, if you catch my meaning, still here's my thoughts)
First thought just to effect an unlock would be wax (I use this technique to open old, but in good condition, lever locks with curtains and / or wards that make picking a PITA, and steel key blanks that don't mark) . Rough up the "bump key" a bit with some sandpaper, then carefully "fill" the cuts with wax, allow the wax to cool and clean it up with a sharp knife. Put the key in the fridge for an hour or so (a thermos of ice water works as well) then just check that the wax is well and truly stuck to the key and impression as usual. It'll usually get an unlock, and the wax won't prevent other options even if it chips off and the attempt fails. (worst case scenario, a pencil torch will clear out any wax without getting the lock hot enough to damage to door).
When it works, it works fast, and you get a decent idea of the cuts this way so you can prepare a blank, but it's definitely not a working key you can rely on for multiple uses.
The second, which would actually produce a working key (at least for a fair number of unlocks) works the same way, except instead of using wax, you use soft solder. Then you impression the key using a file, just like traditional key blank impressioning. (I STILL would prepare an actual blank for the customer in this case, as the solder will wear after heavy use, and then melt off the solder for reuse of the prepped key)
Hope this helps in defeating the INfamous (as in MORE than famous) Bowley... (if it does, can I get one of those keys, just in case I run into one? lol)
bosnianbill otherwise use the Hpc clinder eater an mill that dirty bastert out
No available adapter for the proper sheer line cut, and THEN you have tensioning once you've killed the pins.. and that's stainless.... Can the ole "rotary pick" do it?... With a carbide tipped bit, Yep... It's universal... Do I WANT to drill one out? Much like ASSA V-10s or Medeco M3s, but even MORESO.... NOPE!!!! lol
As a mechanical engineer (and lock agnostic), even I can still appreciate the solid thinking that went behind this design, *like all brilliant ideas its stupidly simple yet brutally effective.*
This little baby inspired me, I love this lock!
all brilliant ideas are not stupidly simple though
@@xl000 Maybe not all, but the very best are also simple.
Tyrone Ross couldn’t agree more, this lock is extremely impressive and the design and “advanced” tech really inspires. Truly a masterpiece
"We should make the keyway really curved to make it hard to get a pick in there!"
"We should put lots of security pins in so that it's difficult to tell what pins are set!"
Patrick: "We should take the lock... and push it somewhere else!"
@@xl000 That’s where you’re wrong. The mechanical engineers original statement is not false. I believe the misunderstanding is where in modern times marketing alone has gotten in the world deeply deeply misinformed and where they have stopped the media has picked up. Please give us a list of these things that are genius but are not simple my guess is they could be done simple however to give trademarks are registering a very complicated process is used... I’m just a blue-collar working guy but I know it’s simple to make a car that would run 1000 years but it’s very very fucking complicated to make one that’s Designed to run perfect for five years or 50,000 miles and then after that just completely become a lemon but then again those are great ideas that’s just marketing making you think it’s a great idea. Making people think they want this creature cut my comforts or think they want these accessories but most all that crap That’s designed into complicated bills are asked for to start with it’s just a way to get more money out of a product
As an engineer all I can manage to say is "Wow!"
Beautiful piece of machinery, nicely thought out. Lots of very good thought went into that design.
I suspect putting a hole in most doors would be easier (and much faster) than trying to fiddle with that lock. (If the door is too tough, try the walls.)
honestly dude thats what windows are there for. XD
Thanks for sharing your view of the world of locks with us, Bill! I've always enjoyed being along for the ride as you show us their strengths and weaknesses.
With locks like this, just bypass them with a more classic method of forced entry: breaking the door or a window.
Such a beautiful lock though. I love the industrial design of it.
unless it is picked up for prison use, or safes.
Considering his tag line is "stay legal" I don't think anything other than the lock is important to him 😉
@@LSLencrypted I mean... I never thought that lockpicking is something cool to do in freetime other than criminal activities... but having picked it up myself it's actually really therapeutic and feels more like puzzles that require skill than anything...
Or do what Mr. Claus has been doing for centuries, sneeking in those chimneys!
@@LSLencrypted Not *that* important... Can already see he's done significant damage to it by bumping
This is by far one of my favorite locks to see you disassemble. It really helps to understand how the lock works.
Going to miss you Bill your videos are amazing hope you have the very best retirement
The very first video of yours that I remember finding (on Reddit of all places), and one of the first videos that got me into lockpicking. Thank you for your years of service to the community and for all the knowledge that you've given out!
Good lord, Bill! When I thought you'd bumped it, I was ready to say "This is why we can't have nice things!" My Bowley deadbolts will remain on my doors. I do see on opportunity to push off the pin cover though. I'd be convoluted bypass, but I think it is doable.
put a plate after the cover, so it doesn't slide, then no problem.
actually, you could probably drill it out.
A fantastic lowtech solution to the security issues of normal tumbler locks. Fascinating channel.
I Was Told Any Lock Can be Compromised? I Respect Your Expertise. This is One of The First Lock Tutorials That Makes Me Want To Buy it. Thanks For Sharing.
So I'm drinking a coffee, and at 9:19 when Bill gets a 'false bump' I got so exited I had to turn and cover my face to keep coffee from going everywhere! Good show as always Bill, Thanks
Kudos to Bowley Lock Co. for the amount of thought that has been applied to this product and for discussing ideas for product improvement with (potential) users.
I love these locks. Whenever I get a house I want to put these on it because of how aesthetic they are.
hey, if I rip the babaco locks off my new to me work van(used to be a money transport, its an armored van), would you want them? They have some crazy keys, and don't seem like it could be something that would be easily picked.
Chubbysumo something tells me that he'd take a lock made of dry play doh and have fun with it
As long as it's not an antique Master Lock.
I'm keen to see this. Upvote OP's comment, guys.
TheTopMostDog exaxtly
He ever do locks like described here?
So perhaps that moment when you thought you had bumped it and our hearts raced a little... maybe you had bumped the pins, but you hadn't managed to actuate the notch in the back?
I think that he was right, that he had just pulled the key out of the notch. To even be applying pressure to attempt the bump, that has to be in already. Personally I'm curious if a bump key could be made with a chamfer on that stub that would create a rotational force at a specific timing to the bumping action. You almost wouldn't need to apply tension other than to see if you were successful, because the tip would do the "knocking" rotationally as the cuts make the bump. I think you would need to add material to the key, however, maybe blob weld on there, and mill it back down. The security pins would *likely* still trap you, but it might give more of a fighting chance.
there probably isn't room in the notch in the inner brass piece for that, though.
I wonder if you can make a key where the key and the actuator are connected by a spring of some sort.
That way the key itself doesn't need to be locked in place and can move.
A bump key can't work because pin 1 (the pin closest to the front or keyhole side of the lock) does not have "tooth" or bump behind it. You are only bumping 4 of the pins, not all 5. The only way this could work is if pin 1 was zero depth (deepest cut) so it does not need to be bumped. As long as Bowley never cuts pin 1 to zero depth, their lock will never be bumped open.
@@imstu2620 Well, you could make a bump key with a bumping surface for pin 1. Not from a Bowley-provided key because there's no steel there -- Bosnianbill's never had a chance of working. But the flat surface behind pin 1 is just a property of the Bowley key, not a property of the keyway, there's plenty of space in there.
hey Bill just wanted to say I love watching your videos I was in the army for six years and I'm just started learning to pick locks and I learn so much from you and I appreciate it and no matter how many of your videos I watch I always learn something new thanks
"Bump Key" is my new favorite music genre!
I've wanted to watch you go up against this lock since its inception
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You mean "Conception" not inception
No, no I didn't
Inception comes from latin, incipere, which means 'begin' and later evolved into the modern english "inception" which still only means "beginning of" in any context, referencing any concept, activity, idea, or plan, or any other origin point in time.
If anything used the word incorrectly, it would more likely be the film's choice as a title, as the film does not at any point deal with a concept being generated, and always deals with the prospect of ideas coming from outside sources, which also were not the originators of them.
I've been following Bowley and you for sometime, I'm finally sold and putting in my order, thank you sir.
Did you order some and if so, how do you like them?
@@youtwitfacemcgee9097 the dude never ordered I'm sure
THANK YOU!
I watched the LPL work on these before..but I never really understood HOW the key actuated the lock. Until..you showed us with that simple piece of paper!! It was a great idea sir..thanks again!
I do enjoy both of your guys videos. A lot of difference actually between the way you two work..or attack a lock.
Keep up the good work sir!
Glad I got my locks with the startup. Thanks Bill, I was hoping you would get the opportunity to try one of these locks. Looks like I made a good decision for a change.
Great lock. I wonder if the fake key would have rubber-like bumps, would it mold itself into the correct shape with bumping ?
The ultrasonic drill will probably break this, but then again it would break all locks.
The better insurance is in the video camera that uploads pics to the cloud.
Just ordered 2.
Love supporting Canadian companies and well...its a great lock.
Thank you so much for all the outstanding content!!
Sharing knowledge it's one of the most noble things one can do.
And your retirement seems to be for an ever greater motive.
Congrats and thank you very much!
Best wishes!!!
Try something for me, get 2 keys.. file them or mill them thinner to be the same width as the usual key.. the one key has the flag which engages the rear face to tension the lock. the second half has the deep cuts with the typical bumpkey pattern. then you "bump" the key you are just pushing the second half of the key to bump the pins while you are twisting on the first half.
Bill
You missed the last pin
The fifth you counted on the key you need to add a small welding
Time mark 5:30
Lastly..thanks to you and the LPL you have shown me the locks for my new home!! They make the grade 3 of course which is what I will go with. FAR from cheap for sure..but if your going to use a lock..use one that actually works! Great video!!
Of course I meant level 1, NOT level 3! Thank you.😉
I would love to use that key as a necklace charm!
Nice job Boley and excellent patience Bill!
Foil impressioning has been proven to work but I think they made changes to the lock make it harder. Also, the easy way to remove those circlips is to use a tool on each side to prevent it from spinning.
I loved the music and Mr. bosnianbill sure tried to dance with the lock; it just wouldn't. I know nothing about lockpicking but got into watching videos like this and this one was very interesting to watch!
I love my Bowley Lock. Ryan's product support is fantastic!
I think the reason you can't bump the lock is because there isn't a ramp at the to bounce pin 1 up. the end of the tab facing the shoulder of the key is flat. There's no bump effect being applied to pin 1 during your attack.
I was thinking the same thing. I think you would need to grind down the flat end of the key that goes flush against the back of the lock as well, and find a way to add an additional shoulder to the rear of the key. Kinda doubt that would fit through the cylinder though...
Just watched it again and you may be right, actually.
I doubt that matters. It appears to me that once they've fallen into that valley you just bump it like a regular lock. The thing that makes it harder is that you tend to disengage the tension thing but still, it doesn't seem impossible. I see what you mean though: The pins are lowered once you push the key into that notch. But if you design the bumpkey just right it should be possible to bump them back up once they've fallen in.
Ah, good point. It doesn't need to be a whole bump hill though. Just a tiny, small notch should be enough I think, and it does appear like there's room for that because there's a bit of a flat spot. In fact, looking at the video a little more it does look like Bill hollowed that out a little, but probably not quite enough. But your previous comment did make me wonder, if a lockpicker were to manipulate the inner sleeve somehow without the key, while he would not have access to the pins, would it render the lock inoperable with the pins falling down?
Thank you for clearing that up. It wasn't immediately obvious from the video that the slot is too narrow for the key pins to fall all the way in and it seemed to me like the lock needed the key to be pulled backwards to lift the pins back above that inner shearline, implying it no longer works when there's no key. It's good to see that steps have been taken to prevent that.
Wow, such a simple elegant design. the lock looks gorgeous and it will be very hard to defeat.
One of the coolest designs I have ever seen outstanding lock
Awesome! Thanks for the attempt, and for showing the internals!
Congrats to the mfr and designers of the Bowley lock! It looked like a little bit of fun to make even with CNC.
Thanks Bill. The locksmithing world is changing so fast I can't keep up.
According to their website the pins 'fall' into place, instead of being pushed up into place. So bumping does not work, because the pins don't "spring up" but have to go down...
well they dont just fall, they spring into place, considering what we saw in here, but technically if the tension was already there (which it isnt, for a good reason) a bump might be possible, because even if the logic is inverted, the principle stays, this time it is just hoping that the key pins fall faster that the pins of the lock body., probably also a reason why we have springs so that this wont happen so easily, but aside from the different default resting position the basics are the same as for a normal US style lock with the pins on top and the gravity and springs pushing the pins down towards the core.
Lars Hoeksema they're conventional pins.
Falling into place makes sense if one were to consider how the pins interact with the key.
In locked position with no key, the pins are shoved fully into the pin Chambers and stay there until the moment you get the key grooves in line with the pins and push the key forward to mate with the notch at the back;, then they drop in, and if the shears line up, unlock it.
Relocking it is the reverse; pulling the key lifts the pins and shoving them almost completely into the pin chambers, and turning the idler stores them in the chambers; otherwise you get pins falling out. The key 'peaks' in between all the key grooves do exactly that. Worst case scenario is if one of those peaks get damaged, dented, filed down or removed somehow, you end up with a key stuck in there, and having to disassemble the whole thing to fix it.
This thing is an engineering marvel!! Brilliant!
looks like one for the naughty bucket
The Stoned Videogame Nerd what other uses do garden sheds have? Lol
Great video as always Bill! When it seems you bump-opened the Bowley I've jumped right over the chair! I was really hoping you can do it! Anyway super gutting, I really liked to see the inner parts, much more clear than Bowley animation. Thanks for showing!!!
Did you try the bump key in the lock after you had remved the pins? I have a gut feeling that the actuator on the key might be too short to engage.
His bump key was long enough to reach into the actuator slot because when he inserted the bump key fully, the key wouldn't turn; the only thing keeping it from turning is the pins.
I agree you bumped it once but cilnder didnt rotate because end of the key is too short and didnt engage with the grove.
Martin Tince you are under the same impression as I was but now I'm not: the key won't rotate because its actuator is engaged in the slot and the pins are not set. If the key's actuator wasn't in the slot it would just keep spinning.
But we're basically talking about getting a lock, and using the key to "pick" it.
What's the point anymore the lock clearly won lol
@@shadowfall2011 because then you could purchase a key, turn it into a bump, then use that bump to open a different lock
Holy crap! Awesome little lock, unless you do forcible entry, I have no idea how to get past this one. Thank you for showing everyone Bill! Much appreciated
I work Fire/Rescue and we do use lock picking as a less "destructive" method to obtain entry. But my FAVORITE "lock pick" is called the Halligan Bar. That will get your door open!
Ooooh the 3rd generation ones of these with a double row of tumblers! You have to ask why bother as these are unpickable as it is!
That bumping music is great....
And waaaay too annoying
The top slide is lovely lock design. Design for designers. Nice.
This video is now embedded on the home page of the Bowley website. NICE
A very surprisingly simple lock is so secure. Thats amazing.
Assuming this was in a security rated door and frame, it would appear to be one of the most secure locks available. As has been mentioned, you could probably impression it given the time, but no thief is going to do that trying to break in.
Yay Canada, for smart people and GREAT Ingenuity. Bowley Bros. - keep up the good work!
(From a long ago American. Mom says an ancestor met the Mayflower. Whoopee)
You will be missed. Congratulations on your retirement!
I has been waiting for this video since the look was announced, is nice to see that they really put the extra effort to make a great product. And thanks to Bill for the video.
I hope you can try the impression method just to see if is possible as others have stated, but I get it if you don't want to risk damaging the look.
The KISS principle for the win; what a beautiful effective design !
This is a next-level lock. Way above the rest.
I love these videos where you present different interesting new locks!
i had to watch just because of that thumbnail of those badass looking keys. great video well done
This locks was thought up outside the box. So I think we need a pick made up outside the box. Respect to this lock
Watching this gave me an idea for what you need... A special tool.. it would be in the same shape as the key with hydraulically actuated "picks" ... I have the entire design in my mind and im almost 8 mins into this video :)
Well, if I owned anything of value, this would be my lock of choice. Great lock and a great reveal, bosnianbill - thanks!
You have more unique video intros than individual videos. It's impressive.
A very clever lock design. In the bigger picture I think the leading technology is actually the key rather than the lock. One you've figured how to make such a convoluted key durable, the design options for the lock mechanism are considerably broader. But I have to wonder - if you insert your bump key and turn/push to the unlock position, could you bump the pins up using pulsating compressed air? I would think there is a small angle range where you can tension the barrel before the idler groove contacts the pins.
So glad you finally tried this lock, Thank you
That is the coolest lock i've seen on your channel so far. Thanks for sharing!
Best lock yet that I've seen in your hands.
The nub you ground down is preventing the actuator from turning. I have figured out a way to get past all of their security with a bump key... I need to get one of these locks. You got past the tech with a bump key but needed the nub to turn the core...🤔🤔
bought this lock during the kick starter, pretty happy with it
That bump key is a work of art. Did you say you'd give it away? I'd wear that around my neck, it's both beautiful and ironic - a bump key for an unbumpable lock.
I love this lock. Brilliant design.
Holy mother of all locks! Great show man that thing is genius!
Unless Bowley do a widow lock it's only as good as your door or house hold security as a whole.
Neat lock but not the overall answer.
Thanks for sharing Bill 👍😎😘😘
I've never seen a window that had an actual lock. They all latch from the inside. If you want in, you pry it until the latch breaks, or break the glass. If you want to keep people out, you put bars on it or live on a higher floor.
SomeDumbGuy you don't live in the U.K. then 😂😂😂
Most windows will have locks (waffers and rubbish,but locks never the less).
My point was the lock is great but not the end of your security needs when it comes to your property 😘🤔🤔
Fine choice for the musical interludes!
Looks a job, for a " 10 POUND SLEDGE HAMMER"
Then you aren’t bypassing the lock. You are bypassing the door frame, which can be reinforced very easily.
Finally! You review the bowley! 😀😀
If you can get a pipe that can fit in you can build a pick for it that uses wires to activate the pins. 5 pins so 5 stiff wires with the body of the pick itself giving tension.
The hardest part is leaving enough material for the turns and still letting the wires past.
That's one great little lock, Bill.
that a really genius fantastic lock ...never expect this kind of work there :x
Finally a lock has defeated bill!!!! Just kiddding, it's good that there's atleast one lock!
Nice gut, very interesting lock. I hope the company hangs in there, and I'm sure Assa is going to be looking to buy them out after your video. :)
Awesome video as always ,your skill and thought process is a pleasure to watch thankyou for the upload..
You are the man.....for real your really smart and a very good teacher .
Very cool lock. Thanks for sharing Bill
Thanks Bill for your amazing videos!
Man that is one finely machined work of art
It can't be bumped because pushing the key in doesn't create any force on the pins. They're already in the top position, and pushing the key in just creates a space for them to fall.
Ok this is the better design I was talking about in your Kronos lock picker video.
I really love the mechanics of this lock!
Nice and sure seems to be solidly built.
You finally got your Bowley! Yay! :D
Potential "royal suck" for anyone owning this lock is that any person with a scribe can lock them out. Rotate the round part a small section at a time using the scribe through the key hole until pins fall into the slot and the lock is disabled until taken apart.
So could anyone with a drop of superglue on other locks.
thanks. good to know that they thought of this.
Love this lock to Secure my house, but we can't pick it. YET!!!
you can try to cut the "pinned" part of the key, and rotate it inside the lock, so the pins will fall in the inner cicle, then rotate it back and extract them. then put inside again the key and unlock it :D
Could you maybe add gobs of solder to your bump key and then impression it? Foil impression should work too. If any pieces came off the key it shouldn't be a big deal. Everything should be able to be pulled out of the lock in the same position the key comes out, unless the foil gets wrapped around the cylinder like a shim.
What a beautifully designed lock!
This would make a great car ignition lock. If you've had anything to drink you can't operate the lock.
If you have one on your front door, it's going to be a bit of a pain when you come home from the bar, though.
When you get around to destructive attacks. That convenient ‘pilot hole’ :) in the front invites a carbide tipped hole saw
What a beautiful lock
I want one and I know I will never see one yet I am entirely that you made that you made this video.
thanks Man.
Thank you. i really wanted to see the inside of that lock.
Use a pick to rotate the sleeve and get into the dimple. After rotated and in place, drill a hole in line with the pins. Use that hole with picks to release the core.