#Mythvisionpodcast introduced me to your channel and I really enjoy it. I have been obsessed with Indo-European history and archeogenetics for a long time. Anyway, I think anything revolving around a Bull being slain has to do with the Taurid meteor shower. Perhaps there was a time when it was very deadly and the killing of the Bull represents the meteor shower becoming less dangerous. Think of Gilgamesh killing the rampaging Bull of heaven. Keep up the good work. Edit:. Also the heads of wheat coming out of its tail could be a time marker as we pass through the meteor shower during harvest time.
@@isdvjbh That's very interesting, I hadn't looked at it from that angle, more from a "zodiacal" approach. I will look more into that. Thanks for watching and they'll be more Proto-Indo European videos coming along soon :)
@@Crecganford Thanks, I love and feel bad about underrated channels. You get replies from creators, but know they are not getting the exposure they deserve. Also, great job on your Latin pronunciation. When people use the soft-C for Tacitus and Cicero I die a little inside. Anyway, here's a link to the theory of how the Taurid meteor shower is responsible for everyone all souls day or day of the dead. In case you want to check it out. th-cam.com/video/75hVrv392BY/w-d-xo.html
@@isdvjbh Haha, yes the classical Latin C, I too die a little inside. I'm happy with the channel, it feels good to be able to reply to all the comments, and engage with people who are genuinely interested in the subject matter :) So thank you for you support and I will look at the video soon
I took acid on Shab Yalda a few years back. Jesus Christ spoke to me as the voice of reason, and I understood god is the quality of an energy to the source!
Saturnalia is from 17th until the 24th of December, and the following day (the 25th), there was a celebration of the Unconquered Sun. Personally, as a follower of the cvltvs deorvm, I don't believe it is a Mythraic celebration, because the cult to the sun itslelf was quite important during the late imperial era. Another thing to keep in mind is that during this date it was understood as the end of the apparent "death" of the sun during the solstice; the sun's apparent movement is close to or away from the horizon, being very close to it in winter, and far in summer. Because it seems like from the 21st to the 24th the sun does not change position, it was "crucified" (hence Jesus was resurrected on the third day, he himself took lots of solar atributes).
Here in Florida, your can see life “Spring” into growth shortly after the new Sun / Solar Year which begins on Dec 24. For me, it seems like the real “Spring” begins with the new Sun.
In one video I saw they said that Mithras was more popular with officers and Christianity with the rabble, so Titus and Domitian wanted to merge Mithraism and Christianity. By Chrisitanity I mean the Roman version, not the one the Jewish rebels of Jesus' family would have believed in. The Zaddokites, like James the Just. Nothing like Paul the Herodian. The Nazoreans apparently put a zodiac in the entryway of their synagogues and there are passages in Josephus and Acts about a great famine, my ears perked up when Cregganford mentioned a drought. Queen Helen of Adiabene (a former Alexandrian puppet state) gave a fortune to the Jews to help alleviate suffering. All these tidbits are swirling around each other, never quite connecting clearly.
I've noticed in the past that some amount of Mithaic iconography seems to correspond to constellations. I've seen variants, but it seems like in Tauroctany Mithras is played by either Orion or Ophiuchus and the Bull is played by either Taurus or Scorpius. the dog may be either Canis or Lupus. it's like the variants may depend on season of year. not sure about the rest of the imagery but it looks like some other scenes and/or ranks have a stellar look.
@@Bucephalus84 I thought it was just that, but why does some of the art appear to line up with the other 'side' of the sky? Is it related to two different 'corners' of that age? Something else?
Legionaries adopted Mithras for his association with war, and, as you noted, probably because he didn't have a political aspect. Legionaries were from whatever countries Rome conquered; having a common icon would serve to bond them into a dedicated body of...brothers, shall we say. Oath brothers. _E pluribus unum,_ and all that.
I take what he says with a pinch of salt. He often veers into the realms of conspiracy and pseudohistory ,presenting it as history. His 'Persian Renaissance' movement is a far right ideology that requires eugenics as a pillar.
@@stevenkarner6872 the most revealing video on the specific topic of depicting Mithras surrounded by animals in Roman times is David Ulansey - The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras very much worth watching
Though actual bull sacrifice and feasting may not be present in this mystery cult, I’m interested in the idea of animal sacrifice in ancient societies as a way to regulate access to animal protein.
All careers are mystery cults. You need to apply, be initiated by elders, learn and adhere to arcane rituals like TPS reports, police anyone who questions tje rituals, only later get to learn how it really works, then you continue the rituals past the point of even believing in them, and finally rise to a position where you teach the rituals to bring new members in because WTH, you had to go through it so why not the new guy!
But you aren’t told a different story about the group’s origins as an outsider. Comparing mystery cults like Mithraism and christianity to freemasonry is more accurate. Those even have a secret handshake by which the members recognize each other.
I think the slaying of the Bull is the representation of the slaying the Roman empire. The reason Mithras appealed to many Roman soldiers, is because the soldiers were the power hand of the Roman empire. To stop the Evil Roman empire, the Bull had to be slayed through the conversion of soldiers to the Good Side. The Bull also represents the lower Human brain which is Animalistic in nature. To rise above greed, desire and list, the Bull / the Beast inside had to be slayed or another Roman Empire would emerge. Also, when Rome was collapsing, the Empire created the Vatican and transferred its power into that organization which then created the “Papul Bull”, a system by which the Roman Catholic Church could administer rule through “official papers” and “birth certificates”. People bowed down to what was written on a piece of paper. On the papal bull, it says that all of the souls in the world belong to the Vatican and the Roman Pontiff has supreme control over the material world and is Governor of both Soul and body.
There is certainly more to it than I say, and I will one day come back to this, but first I need to explain how agricultural based religion influenced Europe and Asia Minor. And I hope to do that in the next few months. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to leave a comment.
That was cool little video. It was clear, concise and I think I actually leaned something which is not always the case when looking into the Roman cult of Mithras. Thankyou
It doesn’t take a genius to realize Mithras slaying the Bull with his dog, represents the astrological scene of Orion (The Son of Man) Taurus, and Canis Majoris.
David Ulansey's The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries: Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World (Oxford 1991) presents a compelling argument that the distinctive Mithras iconography symbolically portrays an ancient cosmic star map depicting the precession of the equinoxes from the Taurean to Piscean Age (roughly around 2000 BCE). Several videos of Ulansey decoding the symbology in fascinating detail are available on TH-cam. Ulansey's controversial theories, as well as competing hypotheses, are critically examined in Roger Beck's The Religion of the Mithras Cult in the Roman Empire (Oxford 2006). Those who seek deeper academic investigation into the esoteric meaning of mithraic tauroctony will find these books worthwhile.
This has so many common principles and traditions of the Free Mason's. An identifying hand shake. That also we are this above all things. Faith is paramount - regardless of type. Sacrifice of the self. Uncanny
Yes, there are often comparisons made with the Free Masons, due to the ranking and handshaking etc. I'll do more about this another time, until then, many thanks for taking the time to watch this and comment. It is appreciated.
Hello! We are the Russian group who study any available information about Mitra, Mithraism, Mithraeums in Turkey. We think that version about Mitra's occurrance binding with Kilikia pirates is correct. If you have your investigations about Mitra in English, please answer me. Answer anyway please. We interested in any information and scientific collaboration about Mitra.
There are still bullfights in different countries. This is a cultural ritual for these people. The Egyptians examined a bull's leg while dicapitating it after his exhausting fight. And they noticed it kept contracting so they assumed the bull must be immortal. They say the tale and testicles are linked. After a bullfight the tale goes to the bullfighter for consumption. It is like an afrodisiac and gives the one who consumes it fertility. The cult of Apis is an example of this ancient ritual. But when Egypt was taken over by the Romans, they slaugtered the king bull and renamed the deity Serapis. The Egyptian people of the cult never accepted this deity later on. Leo the Lion is one of the earliest recognized constellations. The Mesopotamians are known to have documented the "lion" constellation. The Persians called it Ser or Shir; the Turks, Artan; the Syrians, Aryo; the Jewish, Arye; the Indians, Simha. These are all translated as “lion." Hence the namechange from Apis to Ser-Apis with two kind of depictions. Along with the snake bearer (the 13th constellation of the Babylonian calendar) The month Nisan (summer stolsice and this 13th month Nisan) is when all great festivals of rebirth take place for a good harvest. In this month there is also the ritual killing of a bear whoem all the natives practice especially the Ainu, Sami, the ancient Berserker tribe and some north American native tribes. You see this ritual also take place in the movie Midsommar. The festival is called Akitu. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akitu
Interesting thing about this Ahrimaneaus... What do you suppose about the iconography of the serpent? I look at it as a hint, symbolically. An ancient anthromorphic counterpart of another pantheon that has the patronage of the serpent, is considered to be knowledgeable of good and evil, I think, as well as mastery over nature. I'm referring to the figure of Cernunnos, the Horned God/The Stag Man. The Hunter, as well. There's an extreme departure from his symbology and that of this Ahrimaneaus due to both of them having different heads, as well as the fact that Cernunnos has in some depictions been surrounded by a myriad of different animals, including predator ones. But it's interesting. I should look up Ahriman from his spiritual tradition as well, because if he's like anything from the Goetia demons, then there's specific domains that are associated with him. Really good stuff! The Proto-Freemasons do intrigue me as a fascinating bunch.
Hi there, and thanks for watching. Yes, there is more to dive into, in all the of the pieces I pointed out, especially the snake, and the lion man, but also the link to the Persians. I shall look to see if any papers have made that link with Cernunnos, and see if it brings up anything :) Thanks
Have you read David Ulsaney's work on Mithras. He suggest the bull slaying represents the loss of Taurus being the center of cosmology and being replaced by the next constellation.
The figure at the end is very reminiscent of the caduceus. The smaller symbol near the feat and the bird is almost like a double Rod of Asclepius too. I doubt it relates, but I also see a similarity to Asherah. In that, you have a serpent intertwined around a body that has a lions head. The lion was also associated with Asherah, as you mentioned in a different video. Obviously, the major problem though is that it's males body, not a female. But still, I think it's interesting.
Who does the bull in Mithras represent? Is this the same entity we see in Mesopotamian iconography? How does this tie into Bull worship in Neolithic communities such as Catal Hoyuk? And farther back to Paleolithic Art depicting bulls across Europe?
When I saw the image of the lion head on the male figure I instantly thought of the lion man figure carving found in the upper paleolithic in Europe. 35-41,000 yrs old.
By the precession of the equinoxes, the first layer of the “great mystery,” the spring equinox crossed the meeting of Orion/Taurus (on the ecliptic) about ~4000 BCE, which coincides with the rise of advanced human civilization, and the “literal” timeline of the Bible (and the Hebrew calendar.)
I never even heard of Mithras until about a year ago because my son, 34, is a drug addict and believes he is the son of Mithras, and after he completes all the challenges set before him, he will come into power over the earth granted to him by his father to bring along the end of the world. I would just like to know what I am up against. If you could recommend a book for me that I can find out what I can do. I just don't know anyone who knows anything about this and finding accurate information is getting hard! I can listen to three different videos and learn three different versions of the same story! My son is in a mental hospital right now and he isn't getting any better. The meds they have him on are just making the problems worse. Books, books are the best way for me to learn what I can about Mithras. If anyone has any good ideas I would be very thankful.
Dear Elizabeth, I’m very sorry to hear the heavy situation you’re in. I felt like responding to you, as I’m currently reading a book called “Mushrooms, Myth & Mithras. The drug cult that civilized Europe”, written by Carl Ruck, Albert Hoffman (whom discovered LSD) and Jose Celdrán. The book an academic report basically which in essence describes Mithras and it’s close connection to mushrooms. Entheogenic, also known as psychedelic, mushrooms. To be exact, the Fly Agaric, or the 🍄 emoji, which literally is the Fly Agaric. Reading your story, I could imagine that your son was reading such books. Which already shows a distinct intelligence your son has. I could also imagine he experimented with psychedelics, perhaps even mushrooms. Psychedelic experiences can be life changing, bringing above beautiful insights one can use to better their lives. These experiences can be extremely tough, intense to say the least, but filled with divine beauty… but equally deep fright and terror. The ‘worst case scenario’ is that your son experienced such a deep negative experience and is in a psychosis. That he went so deep in his mind, he’s ‘stuck’ in that sense of reality. Therefore I would be curious if your son has perhaps a known history of mental challenges, like bipolar or perhaps even a depression. People with depression often search for healing and psychedelics are very soon to be found. But it’s known academically that people with mental challenges, like being bipolar or schizophrenia, are more sensitive for psychosis after taking a psychedelic. I would take his identification with Mithras as something “serious”, and basically ask about what he’s experiencing, but equally where he got his information from. Equally if he perhaps has taken mushrooms, which makes absolute sense for someone identifying with Mithras. Use his identification as a source of “inspiration” on how to start a discussion with him and slowly try to bring him back to this reality. Even “if he is” the son of Mithras, we would still need him to be in this reality as well. Where his family is lovingly waiting for him. That it’s oke to feel so connected to Mithras, as it was an actual person with a following, but that’s he’s still a person in this reality as well. All in the hope that he will get flashes of clarity, and that it’s oke to let go and come back to our reality. I’m highly aware that this is a very sensitive and difficult topic, and by no means am I a trained psychologist. But I have seen some psychosis up close, and i believe that accepting the situation, starting a discussion and try to “help them land” is a more gentle and human approach than seducing with heavy medicine, in the hope he ‘might snap out of it’. I hope the book would help to be a start. Equally Carl Ruck would be the absolute expert to focus on. I wish you all the strength, courage and love in this heavy situation 🙏❤️
@@stefspijk Thank you so much for your kind comment, it means a lot to me and I will look for this book. My son has been battling drug addiction for about 14 years now and most of the time he is in jail. When he is locked up I always feel so much better because he is safe and off the streets when he is locked up. He never really did to many street drugs, although he would if offered for free. His first love was, and is Cough Syrup. He extracts the DXM out of it and takes it. He started the number counting about 11 years ago then one day he said he was the son of Satan but soon he switched over to Mithra. He really believes that he is going to "come into his power" and bring about the end of the world just as soon as he finishes all his task's he is required to fulfill before then. He sounds almost believable at times! He told me that one day when he was in Seattle he met the singer Bono. I guess he asked my son to carry a computer up the stairs into his house or motel room, then Bono told my son that he would write a book soon, (my son would) and that he,(bono) would like a signed copy! He asked me to please call Bono for him and ask him some weird questions or something, naturally I said I couldn't find his number! I do hope that someday someone can reach him, but when he is sober he is even more passionate about his Mithra status! Thank you again, and you have a good rest of the year, Peace and Love, E.G
The cia used to use lsd and other various forms of psychedelics to mind control their victims...I recommend books such as Chinese herbal medicine by c.p li, mushrooms and mankind by James Arthur which this book might be closer to the mithras religion than the former
A book o can't think of off the top of my head was written by a doctor that had used his approach with his patients for curing them of what ever ailments that they had. From the cerpt of the book I briefly read she soon began (the doctor) began to gradually see changes in her patients. She was using a jungian approach mixed with a sense of humor to get her patients in the "mood' to participate in her patients dialogue with them by engaging with them personally in using humor as a remedy for most common ailments
Happy Yalda night, 21nd December 🥂🎉🌞 Yalda (The birth of Mithra) and the longest night of the year which all Persians no matter religion celebrate is the second most important holiday after the new years which comes from Zoroastrian. And the new year is based on calendar and literary means new year as it is celebrates the first day of spring, 23nd March.
Some of the following comments may be addressed in a subsequent video, but I am trying to work through videos in date order, as and when I find them and this is where I am. The words ''killed'' or ''slayed'' are used frequently during the early part of the video before the use of ''sacrifice'' is introduced which then virtually disappears again. Is this because the iconography seems to elevate feasting above sacrifice? Worship of cattle appears to be common among pastoral communities, usually involving a cow deity in earlier mythologies but being superseded by a bull in later ones. Perhaps part of the shift from female (fertility) oriented worship to male oriented (pastoralism)? The idea of sacrificing a bull = deity seems counter-intuitive, yet many sacred cows in the earliest mythologies are killed to provide material for the creation of order out of chaos, at which point the sacrifice of a sacred male proxy doesn't seem so outrageous? What is the meaning of the snake in the iconography? Is it knowledge & wisdom as in many other mythological concepts, as part of the hidden knowledge of a Mystery cult? Why does the dog have an erection? Is it just to indicate it's a dog rather than a bitch or is there a hunting or fertility aspect? What star is indicated at the top of the various panels? Could there be a connecting thread between the ravens of Sol, Odin, Edgar Allen Poe and the Tower of London? Are there any other raven connections in mythology? The lion-headed man entwined with two serpents: looks like the Staff of Asclepius. Is there a connection between Leo and medicine? Between medicine and Mithras, eg military medicine, assuming Mithras IS an army oriented deity, as suggested? Sol has rays (like Aten / Re / Alexander the Great) does this generalise to the nimbus / halo of angels & Christian saints? These are just a few of the questions / connections this video throws up... can't wait for more!!!
No equivalent lion headed gods? You only have to look to Egypt for Sekhamet, who also had an association with the Sun God (Ra). One of her titles was, the Right Eye of Ra.
Yes, a good point, although was inferring as in the complete package including the other motifs. Sekhamet could be considered as you say, although female, there is some element of overlap, especially regarding the sun.
@@Crecganford there is also a further association of lion headed gods with cycles of time, or aeons as we might refer to them. The god Aion from whence comes our tern aeon is then associated with time, and also Mithras. Phanes is also associated with time and Mithras. One sees the same symbols repeating.
Crecganford is the reliable channel on mythology which I was looking for. Thanks for the work. Could it be that the Vatican statue is out of context and Mithras in fact was looking at the sun - which we can not see because there is no visual context remaining? And what about the white dot on the pic of the birth of Mithras? Dotting genitalia and sexuality related topoi must be a neverending endeavour for anthropologists which are at the same time depraving the exhibits of much of their value. Referring to the summer solstice, it is remarkable that in all depictions of Mithras his head and cap are exactly in the middle of the picture, sometimes accompanied by the according zodiac. This gives us a hint to the autumn equinox. Which, I think, was the original date of Jesus's birth before it was moved to late december.
Apart from the mystery about the actual content of Mithraism, it does seem strikingly similar to Christianity: both seem to be loosely based other, pre-existing religions by people in the Roman empire - Judaism morphs into Christianity, and some variety of (perhaps) Persian religion is adapted to become Mithraism. With Christianity, the most obvious changes were the dropping everything that made Judaism off-putting for gentiles: circumcision, dietary rules, and hatred of Roman invaders. I am no kind of expert, but it does seem to me at least possible that if Roman Mithraism was the product of a similar adaptation, the new religion might appear - from the remaining evidence - to have nothing in common with the original. I mean, imagine if all that remained of Christianity was a few drawings of fish and some hostile propaganda - would we be able to guess its links with Judaism?
It definitely could have emerged from Zoroastrianism. By the birth of Mithraism the faith of Zoroaster was dying off in popularity to the point it remains as a shadow of its former self
Mystery cults were all the rage at the time. The jewish cult of christianity was one of the last. The shared trait is usually a god-man (and in one case a woman), miraculous deeds, an ordeal of this god-man, one story for the outsiders and a different one for the initiated, a communal meal for the followers. According to Dr Richard Carrier, if you apply the common traits of mystery cults to judaism, you can predict christianity.
the man with the lions head and wrapped with the snake reminds me of the gnostic yaldabaoth. gnosticism was also very astrological, so there could be a connection there. the tongs and hammer of vulcan/hephaestus could possibly represent a demiurge role for this ahriman type figure.
Mithras is clearly demiurge (yaldabaoth/KINGU/Tengu) iconography. Snake/lion head/square/killing the bull(cow). IMO this is the emergence of kabbalism in Rome. This is the beginning of the Roman revolution and beginnings of the "EMPIRE". No doubt cypto persian influence within the Army and on Romes borders. The 4 animals being the the N , S , E , W of the processional great cycle , the 4 Gods used to hold the net of the Leviathan from the creation myth.
Mithras as we know is a sun deity. The bull though is entirely different. It is in fact a bow wave effect in the symbol of Islam the crescent moon is the horns of a bull and star is our present moon. Judgement day of Christian and Islamic tradition, Ragnarock already happened long ago Mara Unduk tale of when earth had 2 moons. Mani the moon and the 2 children who traveled with it. The Zulu myth of 2 brothers who hollowed out the moon and rolled it across the heavens. The Hebrew word Sencherib which means "The moon god Sin replaced the 2 brothers" Mara Unduk interestingly, if you take the 1st 3 letters Mar and the last 3 letters Duk, Combine the 2 you have Marduk. The remaining 3 letters AUN means "moon" in Bukiyip. Reverse U and N and you have Anu father of the gods. Sin the moon god was also said to be the father of the gods. So there is clearly part of the Annunaki present. 2 ancient Arab words for the moon are in english "wanderer" "old one". The moon for a fact is older than the earth! It now becomes apparent the moon wandered the solar system and as it traveled around the sun another myth speaks. From Africa came a myth that the sun got into a fight with the moon. The sun threw mud at the moon and some stuck to it's face. The mud spoken of obviously is solar plasma from a sun flare. The face we see today is missing all it's volitile elements such as zinc from a high temperature event! Scientist's studied trinitites and moon rocks looking for their lose of volitile elements. And I believe the moons surface has a great deal of glassy remains. The moon is the star of Bethlehem and the 3 wise men are the belt stars of Orion. You see Christ is also symbolized as the sun/son of god and also the sun/son of man worshipped long long ago. The moon was responsible for massive flood if we take Gonggong seriously as it orbited and settled into orbit around the earth. Black hole sun as the moon headed toward earth growing bigger makes for interesting thoughts. So the moon is indeed a serpent, it's tail a trail of rocky debris from the asteroid belt. It's Gonggong en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonggong (Gonggong is thought of as a dwarf planet which our moon clearly is being larger than Pluto) It''s the old serpent the devil in Revelations. It's the world serpent of Ragnarok Jormungandr
Some fascinating connections: BUT, are mythological connections made in anglicised script relevant to the languages from which they are translated? I have seen some fascinating numerology regarding the Great Pyramid based on multiples of its footprint in metres. The metre is a modern measurement, hardly relevant to a millennia-old monument that was undoubtedly constructed to something like the Imperial Cubit, longer than the standard cubit, but still considerably shorter than the metre. You state as a ''fact'' that the Moon is older than the Earth but the latest science says the Moon was created FROM the Earth by a collision with a moon-sized planetoid during the Early Massive Bombardment. Thus every conclusion based on a wandering ''older'' Moon has to be suspect. The heat generated by meteoric impacts creates glass from the silicates of normal planetary surfaces. Four billion years of impacts will create a lot of glassy surface, not from a single high temperature event. We have to remember that myths and their elements had two functions: 1) to explain things, via gods & magic, that to humans of the time were otherwise unexplainable, and 2) to establish a religious / royal hierarchy that justified the elevation of priest-kings over mere mortals.
I don't think Aryaman and Ahriman are the same exact thing because Ahriman is also Angra Manyu, connected with the Sanskrit Angiras. I would really love a video discussing this because I am really confused as to what or why caused this split. I feel like by answering it, we can solve a huge puzzle.
7:13 lion = Leo, Serpent is a part of Ophiuchus the serpent bearer, he’s also Orion. Sun, Milky Way in Taurus, the Moon, at their feet is Leo and Scorpio. It’s connected to Zoroastrianism I think.. Apollo or Apollyon/Abaddon is in the Bible, however there are others like Zeus known as Baal-Zephon son of Baal-Hammon who was Cronus. Alexander is thought to have descended from this BaalZaphon or Zeus-Amun = Baal-Hammon
Theres a legend that members of a very ancient Sun worship cult were initiated on their 14th birthday, being taken on this day by their father to face and defeat a wild bull. Those who failed to face down the bull were not initiated and remained unaware of the cults existence.
Pictures of man with lion's head and snake is zurvan (not mithras) Zurvanism (also Zarvan) is a fatalistic religious movement of Zoroastrianism in which the divinity Zurvan is a First Principle (primordial creator deity) who engendered equal-but-opposite twins, Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu. Zurvanism is also known as "Zurvanite Zoroastrianism", and may be contrasted with Mazdaism
Interesting video. I did have some trouble understanding some of the words you were speaking because the sound in the video seemed to be popping in and out. I’ve been looking into Miss Rios him and Mr. records for a while now in order to help solve some oddities of gaps between other existing mystery societies and fraternities such as freemasonry. I found some links through symbolism from ancient Rome, ancient Greece, the ancient Persian empire, going all the way back to the ancient FedEx and ancient Samarian and Babylonian deities. There are connections though I admit they are tenuous. The Lionhead figure I have always found to be fascinating and there are other aspects and meanings to some of the symbols contained within that image which I would like to discuss with you if you’re interested. They have to do with keeping secrets and a craft. Miss Reyes him is experiencing a rebirth in interest because it has been recently discovered that there are still small groups of these people practicing and meeting. It is in my opinion a dark and enigmatic secret fraternity
So i was watching a documentary regarding the graal, it's origin seem to be quite complex, eith even the possibility of it coming from outside christianity, is this true? What about the myth of the stone held by lucifer? They talked about this too but honestly i didn't comprend all about it, it would be interesting for a video about that.
There is a tribe in Iran that still follows Mithraism. It’s the Bakhtiari tribe in southwestern Iran. They claim to be Muslim but their symbolism says otherwise. There are many studies done on this group. They’re interesting.
There is an underestimated enigma in appearance of Mitra monument, but no-one can even understand that. So the crux is in scorpion cutting the genitals of a bull. What does it mean? How do you think about this?
This is too complex to go into detail here, but this would on first consideration seem to be a sexual reference due to the creatures and body parts involved.
@@Crecganford There is an opinion that bull depicted under Mitra is a symbol of old Dionysus. This opinion based on image of bull on map of the starry sky by Jan Hevelius, where the bull is depicted with Hyades and the Pleiades around the neck. As a first approximation, we can say that the Hyades and the Pleiades denote the Bacchantes, the constant companions of Dionysus. God Dionysus is known for being undecided about his gender. So, it turns out that Mithra tames Dionysus, and a scorpion takes part in this act, aiming at the genitals, a sign of gender, with which Dionysus has not decided who is he: male or female. But what function the scorpion performs in this act is not clear. This is why the scorpion puzzle is so important to understand.
@@user-ki4jj6fw8n I have not found any good books that explain it well, but there are papers. If you have access to JSTOR via your university, or use Google Scholar, and search for the references, you should be able to find something such as www.jstor.org/stable/43286782
at 18:30 you try to argue that Mithraism isnt persian by comparing it to Zoroastrianism. Doing so, you are ignoring thousands of years of Mithraic religion practice in Iran which was extremely different than Zoroastrianism. Look at all the median reliefs pre-Zoroastrianism, look at the parthian religion, look at the persian feudal houses, look at the iranian tribes in the Caucasus and the steps, all worship Mehr (mithra). Look at the tomb of cyrus and the related animal sacrifice. look at the mountain where Darius, Xerxes and many other persian kings are buried, its called the mountain of Mehr. Look at the early swastika sign, its called the Wheel of Mehr in Iran. Zoroastrianism didnt become a state religion until Ardashir (first Sassanian king) destroyed all the mithraic temples in Iran along with any txt remaining from the Parthians. Please do more research before trying to educate others...
All the papers I read stated that there was no connection, papers by very educated people. The Mithras of the Romans was not a direct evolution from Persia. If you want to counter that would you be so kind as to refer me to some papers that establish a connection? Many thanks
One thing that always strikes me about Mithraism is that though it is often presented as a very solar-centric cult, the second highest level initiates are ruled by Sol, the sun god, but the highest level or grade is under the rule/protection of Saturn. Mithras is depicted receiving from Saturn the sword or dagger which he executed the bull with. In classical mythology Saturn rules Elysium, the afterlife where those chosen by the gods, the righteous and heroic dwell. Sol is also depicted kneeling before Mithras, reflecting this role as the secondary rather than the primary deity of the cult.
That C of your family Crest or whatever it is. It looks familiar from my spirit dreams with some kind of benevolent large hairy beast-looking intelligent god. That image and this memory of a "ship" that just felt like my bedroom but was some kind of root structure tunneled in at the bank of a river. I have no idea what it means, but it's the only time I felt something very strange like my conciousness being introduced into a completely different being from a different lifetime or something. It was almost like spirit was charging my soul with more power as this was before I emerged from the clutches of an addiction on my own, but I have eaten magic mushrooms but never felt like that. This was a whole new feeling of "other" that emerged from somewhere inside or that had become one with me but was not able to disguise its powerful signature right away..like it was waking up at the time. I swear I'm not crazy. I have my wife veriy all the other stuff that happens as a result of my connection to it. I dont want any attention for this. Why would I? What I have been craving is understanding
"Mythras was born of a rock. Which doesn't sound like a virgin birth to me." I'm pretty sure it was a virgin rock. Very few people are willing to screw a rock. (Sorry, I had to. I understood the point though, nobody needs to painstakingly explain me in a comment. Thank you. :) )
Look closer at imagery of mithras. He is actually stabbing Taurus’ heart through his right shoulder. Scorpio at Taurus groin, canis major and the serpent at their respective zodiac points.
The Lion man refers to Adoni 🦁. You are correct that no virgin birth had occured yet, but the wise men from the east were watching ✨ stars. Readers of early hebrew texts would have wisely and secretly know IAM was coming in human Form. The 2 serpants binding Him are a reference to asclepeous, and the serpant Moses held up in the wilderness. There is no doubt some of these mystics forsaw Him coming. Perhaps its an attempt to bind Him so they don't lose their powers of divination?🪨✝️🧎♀️
Jesus was not born on the 25th of December, but the church claimed that he was in order to syncretize Christianity with paganism. Jesus was born sometime in the fall of 4 BCE, but the Bible does not reveal the date.
You make a big mistake if you think it all startet with rome. Mithras is Mehr and he is born from the vorgin Anahita. Roman Mithraism must be linked to ancient Iran.
Thanks for this one. I was just watching a Jordan Jorjani video with all his seductive-but-crazy-sounding claims about Mithra/Zoroaster - Mr. Jorjani (a Trump admirer and co-founder of a far right hate group, who wants to start a nuclear war with China) says all sorts of things that sound fascinating but I dunno... almost too many things to reasonably look all of em up to see where he might be getting the info from.
Yes, I will be doing a follow up video explaining the iconography in more detail, including the influence of the stars, as this video was far longer than I anticipated. I hope you enjoyed it, and thanks for watching
@@Crecganford yes fascinating, I know mostly about Persian Mithras as it is older than and was incorporated into Zoroastrianism. Furthermore I feel Egypt is a red herring when it comes to the org charts of Freemasonry, a society of men with the degrees, Mithras is clearly a huge influence
@@AD-zg7fw yes, interesting. It may have been influential but equally it may just be a standard way these cults are setup. I'm not sure if I know enough evidence to support either opinion academically yet. But my journey into Mithras is fairly new, and I'm sure I'll do a deeper dive in the coming months. Thanks for your feedback and watching, it is appreciated
@@LeoPlaw Thanks for all the feedback. The next video on Mithras I do I'll look into the stars more closely. I certainly feel, like you, there are some connections here to be considered.
The cult of mithras is based on western indo European culture before they became distinct from one another especially the eastern bands, also mithras is staring out at his people and land in the statue of killing the bull who are both hungry and grateful for what he's doing for them.
Maybe mithras became the mystical core of Christianity The great alchemists Freud purchased alot of serpent ornaments. Maybe he tapped into serpent possession cos he certainly had some lion to do after he first came out
I was going to email you this but I don't use Facebook or its ilk. I thought you might find this interesting. The lionhead man reminded me of the sumerian demon Pazazu(demon idol used at the beginning of The Exorcist film.). Iconography of the elements being held, wings and a snake coming up the leg/s. Ironically while searching for a suitable comparison I found a stele of Anu, ancient sky father and progenitor of the sumerian gods.... kneeling on and slaying a bull. www.wikiwand.com/en/Anu "Anu briefly appears in the Akkadian Epic of Gilgamesh, in which his daughter Ishtar (the East Semitic equivalent to Inanna) persuades him to give her the Bull of Heaven so that she may send it to attack Gilgamesh. The incident results in the death of Enkidu. In another legend, Anu summons the mortal hero Adapa before him for breaking the wing of the south wind. Anu orders for Adapa to be given the food and water of immortality, which Adapa refuses, having been warned beforehand by Enki that Anu will offer him the food and water of death. In ancient Hittite religion, Anu is a former ruler of the gods, who was overthrown by his son Kumarbi, who bit off his father's genitals and gave birth to the storm god Teshub. Teshub overthrew Kumarbi, avenged Anu's mutilation, and became the new king of the gods. This story was the later basis for the castration of Ouranos in Hesiod's Theogony."
I think that is Enkidu killing the bull of heaven in the image at wikiwand. I was reading The Roman Cult of Mithras by Manfred Claus today. He has a good chapter where he goes over the cult artwork. The artists had some leeway in details. For instance, the bull has been shown as white, black or brown. There were a lot of characters in the cult, it seems, and the person paying for the artwork could pick what he wanted included on his piece. The artists would try to pack as many scenes and characters in, as possible.
from what i know Mitra was the son of Ene the first alien Giant sun of the Alien Angel Ra. Mitras Sun is Zamolxis . th gepizi , scythian, geti, goti, and dacian have tose kinds of hats on theyr had ! what do u call german and greecs or roman are in fact getic mitologies stil wrapped in mysteries!
Once again I applaud your historical rigor but I take exception of your analysis. You repeat the claim that there was no connection between eastern Mithraism and Roman Mithrasisim yet you admitt we have no idea of either branches theology and the basis for your statement seems to come from analysis of the art styles at eastern an western temples. The style of art is different granted but the iconography is exactly the same. It would be more accurate to say we don't know if they are connected. You also claim that there was no connection between Jesus and Mithras... other than the fact that they were born in the same place in the same day ( also if you're at the church of the Holy Sepulchre don't ask about that hole in the floor Mithras came out of . They get a little pissy ). Also the three wise men part of the Christmas story was added to join the Mithras Legend to Jesus, as was the accepted date of Jesus' birth. You also mention the consuming of bread and wine in the Christian tradition, something well documented in Greco/ Roman theology but unheard of in Judaism until that moment... sounds like more stuff added on to make it familiar to the Roman converts to Christianity after Constantine... also you did not mention Mithrasisim suddenly became less popular across the Empire after the Conversion of Constantine. These are just things that raise questions for me ... I'm no scholar just a hillbilly who has read too many book. Many of them contradicting the others. Anyway thanks for the video, keep up the good work. I look forward to learning from you and disagreeing with you in the future. Great content
I appreciate your comments, and perhaps I didn't emphasize enough certain aspects that may have cleared up some of your points. I do enjoy decent challenges, and I will do more on Mitra and Mithras soon (or that is the plan).
This was a tough video to do as there are few decent papers discussing the iconography. Are there other things about Mithras you want to know?
#Mythvisionpodcast introduced me to your channel and I really enjoy it. I have been obsessed with Indo-European history and archeogenetics for a long time. Anyway, I think anything revolving around a Bull being slain has to do with the Taurid meteor shower. Perhaps there was a time when it was very deadly and the killing of the Bull represents the meteor shower becoming less dangerous. Think of Gilgamesh killing the rampaging Bull of heaven. Keep up the good work.
Edit:. Also the heads of wheat coming out of its tail could be a time marker as we pass through the meteor shower during harvest time.
@@isdvjbh That's very interesting, I hadn't looked at it from that angle, more from a "zodiacal" approach. I will look more into that. Thanks for watching and they'll be more Proto-Indo European videos coming along soon :)
@@Crecganford Thanks, I love and feel bad about underrated channels. You get replies from creators, but know they are not getting the exposure they deserve. Also, great job on your Latin pronunciation. When people use the soft-C for Tacitus and Cicero I die a little inside. Anyway, here's a link to the theory of how the Taurid meteor shower is responsible for everyone all souls day or day of the dead. In case you want to check it out. th-cam.com/video/75hVrv392BY/w-d-xo.html
@@isdvjbh Haha, yes the classical Latin C, I too die a little inside. I'm happy with the channel, it feels good to be able to reply to all the comments, and engage with people who are genuinely interested in the subject matter :) So thank you for you support and I will look at the video soon
@Anonymous Mithras whilst was certainly associated closely with the sun, was actually probably better represented by Mercury
19:20 Here in Iran we literally celebrate the birth of "Mehr" ( Mithra) on 25th of december as Yalda festivities.
25th Dec is also the Sol Invictus day in old Rome.
I took acid on Shab Yalda a few years back.
Jesus Christ spoke to me as the voice of reason, and I understood god is the quality of an energy to the source!
Really!??😮.. He is a big thing in Rig veda
Oh goodness! My comment was just anout Mithraism in Iran in a certain tribe. I was a little shocked.
@@arshyadean8274 yaldabaoths festivals*
It’s a miracle of modern technology that I can tune in to wonderful scholarship and broaden the scope of my meager education. Thanks so much!
Saturnalia is from 17th until the 24th of December, and the following day (the 25th), there was a celebration of the Unconquered Sun. Personally, as a follower of the cvltvs deorvm, I don't believe it is a Mythraic celebration, because the cult to the sun itslelf was quite important during the late imperial era. Another thing to keep in mind is that during this date it was understood as the end of the apparent "death" of the sun during the solstice; the sun's apparent movement is close to or away from the horizon, being very close to it in winter, and far in summer. Because it seems like from the 21st to the 24th the sun does not change position, it was "crucified" (hence Jesus was resurrected on the third day, he himself took lots of solar atributes).
Sol Invictus
Here in Florida, your can see life “Spring” into growth shortly after the new Sun / Solar Year which begins on Dec 24. For me, it seems like the real “Spring” begins with the new Sun.
In one video I saw they said that Mithras was more popular with officers and Christianity with the rabble, so Titus and Domitian wanted to merge Mithraism and Christianity. By Chrisitanity I mean the Roman version, not the one the Jewish rebels of Jesus' family would have believed in. The Zaddokites, like James the Just. Nothing like Paul the Herodian.
The Nazoreans apparently put a zodiac in the entryway of their synagogues and there are passages in Josephus and Acts about a great famine, my ears perked up when Cregganford mentioned a drought. Queen Helen of Adiabene (a former Alexandrian puppet state) gave a fortune to the Jews to help alleviate suffering. All these tidbits are swirling around each other, never quite connecting clearly.
I've noticed in the past that some amount of Mithaic iconography seems to correspond to constellations. I've seen variants, but it seems like in Tauroctany Mithras is played by either Orion or Ophiuchus and the Bull is played by either Taurus or Scorpius. the dog may be either Canis or Lupus. it's like the variants may depend on season of year. not sure about the rest of the imagery but it looks like some other scenes and/or ranks have a stellar look.
Slitting the throat of the bull is just signifying the end of the age of Taurus
@@Bucephalus84 I thought it was just that, but why does some of the art appear to line up with the other 'side' of the sky? Is it related to two different 'corners' of that age? Something else?
The snake could be Draconis.
@@leekestner1554 isn't Draconis much further north? I mean yes as snakes in the sky go, but in relation to Orion or Ophiuchus does it fit the pucture?
Legionaries adopted Mithras for his association with war, and, as you noted, probably because he didn't have a political aspect. Legionaries were from whatever countries Rome conquered; having a common icon would serve to bond them into a dedicated body of...brothers, shall we say. Oath brothers. _E pluribus unum,_ and all that.
Jason Reza Jorjani has an excellent two-part lesson on Mithraism
Agreed
I take what he says with a pinch of salt. He often veers into the realms of conspiracy and pseudohistory ,presenting it as history. His 'Persian Renaissance' movement is a far right ideology that requires eugenics as a pillar.
His theories are interesting. He himself is a bit off in the noggin'.
@@stevenkarner6872 the most revealing video on the specific topic of depicting Mithras surrounded by animals in Roman times is David Ulansey - The Cosmic Mysteries of Mithras very much worth watching
@@GandarDooM Thanks
I’ll give it a watch
Though actual bull sacrifice and feasting may not be present in this mystery cult, I’m interested in the idea of animal sacrifice in ancient societies as a way to regulate access to animal protein.
All careers are mystery cults. You need to apply, be initiated by elders, learn and adhere to arcane rituals like TPS reports, police anyone who questions tje rituals, only later get to learn how it really works, then you continue the rituals past the point of even believing in them, and finally rise to a position where you teach the rituals to bring new members in because WTH, you had to go through it so why not the new guy!
But you aren’t told a different story about the group’s origins as an outsider.
Comparing mystery cults like Mithraism and christianity to freemasonry is more accurate. Those even have a secret handshake by which the members recognize each other.
It would be nice if you could do a comparative video on the Yule celebration and the Yalda celebration? The similarities are fascinating.
I will put that on my todo list (which is quite long), but I hope to get around to that one day.
@@Crecganford Thank you very much! Absolutely looking forward to that!
It'd be amazing if you and Mr. Mythos collaborated on a video! You two have such amazing underappreciated content!
I think I'm just a small TH-camr compared to him. But perhaps I'll give him a message to see what he thinks.
The iconography strikes me as derived from PIE succession ritual of divine authority.
He kills the bull, because Taurus was no longer the sign that ruled the Spring Equinox. People noticed that Aries took over.
I think the slaying of the Bull is the representation of the slaying the Roman empire. The reason Mithras appealed to many Roman soldiers, is because the soldiers were the power hand of the Roman empire. To stop the Evil Roman empire, the Bull had to be slayed through the conversion of soldiers to the Good Side. The Bull also represents the lower Human brain which is Animalistic in nature. To rise above greed, desire and list, the Bull / the Beast inside had to be slayed or another Roman Empire would emerge. Also, when Rome was collapsing, the Empire created the Vatican and transferred its power into that organization which then created the “Papul Bull”, a system by which the Roman Catholic Church could administer rule through “official papers” and “birth certificates”. People bowed down to what was written on a piece of paper. On the papal bull, it says that all of the souls in the world belong to the Vatican and the Roman Pontiff has supreme control over the material world and is Governor of both Soul and body.
There is certainly more to it than I say, and I will one day come back to this, but first I need to explain how agricultural based religion influenced Europe and Asia Minor. And I hope to do that in the next few months. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to leave a comment.
The bull or taurus represents the earth element in alchemy. Its likely symbolic of conquering the earth.
Mithraism was an underground sect in Rome during Imperium. It took the power with the name of Christianity.
That was cool little video. It was clear, concise and I think I actually leaned something which is not always the case when looking into the Roman cult of Mithras. Thankyou
It doesn’t take a genius to realize Mithras slaying the Bull with his dog, represents the astrological scene of Orion (The Son of Man) Taurus, and Canis Majoris.
David Ulansey's The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries: Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World (Oxford 1991) presents a compelling argument that the distinctive Mithras iconography symbolically portrays an ancient cosmic star map depicting the precession of the equinoxes from the Taurean to Piscean Age (roughly around 2000 BCE). Several videos of Ulansey decoding the symbology in fascinating detail are available on TH-cam. Ulansey's controversial theories, as well as competing hypotheses, are critically examined in Roger Beck's The Religion of the Mithras Cult in the Roman Empire (Oxford 2006). Those who seek deeper academic investigation into the esoteric meaning of mithraic tauroctony will find these books worthwhile.
This has so many common principles and traditions of the Free Mason's.
An identifying hand shake. That also we are this above all things. Faith is paramount - regardless of type. Sacrifice of the self.
Uncanny
Yes, there are often comparisons made with the Free Masons, due to the ranking and handshaking etc. I'll do more about this another time, until then, many thanks for taking the time to watch this and comment. It is appreciated.
@@Crecganford Did you ever get around to this?
Audio kinda off good content though
Hello!
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Awesome video.
I have always heard about comparison between the two but i have never seen someone debunking those similarities
Thank you for watching, and for your comments...
There are still bullfights in different countries. This is a cultural ritual for these people. The Egyptians examined a bull's leg while dicapitating it after his exhausting fight. And they noticed it kept contracting so they assumed the bull must be immortal. They say the tale and testicles are linked. After a bullfight the tale goes to the bullfighter for consumption. It is like an afrodisiac and gives the one who consumes it fertility. The cult of Apis is an example of this ancient ritual. But when Egypt was taken over by the Romans, they slaugtered the king bull and renamed the deity Serapis. The Egyptian people of the cult never accepted this deity later on.
Leo the Lion is one of the earliest recognized constellations. The Mesopotamians are known to have documented the "lion" constellation. The Persians called it Ser or Shir; the Turks, Artan; the Syrians, Aryo; the Jewish, Arye; the Indians, Simha. These are all translated as “lion."
Hence the namechange from Apis to Ser-Apis with two kind of depictions.
Along with the snake bearer (the 13th constellation of the Babylonian calendar)
The month Nisan (summer stolsice and this 13th month Nisan) is when all great festivals of rebirth take place for a good harvest. In this month there is also the ritual killing of a bear whoem all the natives practice especially the Ainu, Sami, the ancient Berserker tribe and some north American native tribes. You see this ritual also take place in the movie Midsommar. The festival is called Akitu.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akitu
Interesting thing about this Ahrimaneaus... What do you suppose about the iconography of the serpent? I look at it as a hint, symbolically. An ancient anthromorphic counterpart of another pantheon that has the patronage of the serpent, is considered to be knowledgeable of good and evil, I think, as well as mastery over nature. I'm referring to the figure of Cernunnos, the Horned God/The Stag Man. The Hunter, as well. There's an extreme departure from his symbology and that of this Ahrimaneaus due to both of them having different heads, as well as the fact that Cernunnos has in some depictions been surrounded by a myriad of different animals, including predator ones. But it's interesting. I should look up Ahriman from his spiritual tradition as well, because if he's like anything from the Goetia demons, then there's specific domains that are associated with him.
Really good stuff! The Proto-Freemasons do intrigue me as a fascinating bunch.
Hi there, and thanks for watching. Yes, there is more to dive into, in all the of the pieces I pointed out, especially the snake, and the lion man, but also the link to the Persians. I shall look to see if any papers have made that link with Cernunnos, and see if it brings up anything :) Thanks
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Have you read David Ulsaney's work on Mithras. He suggest the bull slaying represents the loss of Taurus being the center of cosmology and being replaced by the next constellation.
The figure at the end is very reminiscent of the caduceus. The smaller symbol near the feat and the bird is almost like a double Rod of Asclepius too.
I doubt it relates, but I also see a similarity to Asherah. In that, you have a serpent intertwined around a body that has a lions head. The lion was also associated with Asherah, as you mentioned in a different video. Obviously, the major problem though is that it's males body, not a female. But still, I think it's interesting.
Who does the bull in Mithras represent? Is this the same entity we see in Mesopotamian iconography? How does this tie into Bull worship in Neolithic communities such as Catal Hoyuk? And farther back to Paleolithic Art depicting bulls across Europe?
When I saw the image of the lion head on the male figure I instantly thought of the lion man figure carving found in the upper paleolithic in Europe. 35-41,000 yrs old.
By the precession of the equinoxes, the first layer of the “great mystery,” the spring equinox crossed the meeting of Orion/Taurus (on the ecliptic) about ~4000 BCE, which coincides with the rise of advanced human civilization, and the “literal” timeline of the Bible (and the Hebrew calendar.)
I found the sound issue so annoying i gave up trying to watch it within the first minutes of watching.. Shame..
I have often wondered if the Mithras religion was originally behind the bullfighting in Spain. A reenactment.
Incredible work, m8. Underrated channel.
Thank you for watching and those kind words
I never even heard of Mithras until about a year ago because my son, 34, is a drug addict and believes he is the son of Mithras, and after he completes all the challenges set before him, he will come into power over the earth granted to him by his father to bring along the end of the world. I would just like to know what I am up against. If you could recommend a book for me that I can find out what I can do. I just don't know anyone who knows anything about this and finding accurate information is getting hard! I can listen to three different videos and learn three different versions of the same story! My son is in a mental hospital right now and he isn't getting any better. The meds they have him on are just making the problems worse. Books, books are the best way for me to learn what I can about Mithras. If anyone has any good ideas I would be very thankful.
Dear Elizabeth,
I’m very sorry to hear the heavy situation you’re in. I felt like responding to you, as I’m currently reading a book called “Mushrooms, Myth & Mithras. The drug cult that civilized Europe”, written by Carl Ruck, Albert Hoffman (whom discovered LSD) and Jose Celdrán.
The book an academic report basically which in essence describes Mithras and it’s close connection to mushrooms. Entheogenic, also known as psychedelic, mushrooms. To be exact, the Fly Agaric, or the 🍄 emoji, which literally is the Fly Agaric.
Reading your story, I could imagine that your son was reading such books. Which already shows a distinct intelligence your son has.
I could also imagine he experimented with psychedelics, perhaps even mushrooms.
Psychedelic experiences can be life changing, bringing above beautiful insights one can use to better their lives. These experiences can be extremely tough, intense to say the least, but filled with divine beauty… but equally deep fright and terror.
The ‘worst case scenario’ is that your son experienced such a deep negative experience and is in a psychosis. That he went so deep in his mind, he’s ‘stuck’ in that sense of reality.
Therefore I would be curious if your son has perhaps a known history of mental challenges, like bipolar or perhaps even a depression. People with depression often search for healing and psychedelics are very soon to be found. But it’s known academically that people with mental challenges, like being bipolar or schizophrenia, are more sensitive for psychosis after taking a psychedelic.
I would take his identification with Mithras as something “serious”, and basically ask about what he’s experiencing, but equally where he got his information from. Equally if he perhaps has taken mushrooms, which makes absolute sense for someone identifying with Mithras.
Use his identification as a source of “inspiration” on how to start a discussion with him and slowly try to bring him back to this reality. Even “if he is” the son of Mithras, we would still need him to be in this reality as well. Where his family is lovingly waiting for him.
That it’s oke to feel so connected to Mithras, as it was an actual person with a following, but that’s he’s still a person in this reality as well. All in the hope that he will get flashes of clarity, and that it’s oke to let go and come back to our reality.
I’m highly aware that this is a very sensitive and difficult topic, and by no means am I a trained psychologist. But I have seen some psychosis up close, and i believe that accepting the situation, starting a discussion and try to “help them land” is a more gentle and human approach than seducing with heavy medicine, in the hope he ‘might snap out of it’.
I hope the book would help to be a start. Equally Carl Ruck would be the absolute expert to focus on.
I wish you all the strength, courage and love in this heavy situation 🙏❤️
@@stefspijk Thank you so much for your kind comment, it means a lot to me and I will look for this book. My son has been battling drug addiction for about 14 years now and most of the time he is in jail. When he is locked up I always feel so much better because he is safe and off the streets when he is locked up. He never really did to many street drugs, although he would if offered for free. His first love was, and is Cough Syrup. He extracts the DXM out of it and takes it.
He started the number counting about 11 years ago then one day he said he was the son of Satan but soon he switched over to Mithra. He really believes that he is going to "come into his power" and bring about the end of the world just as soon as he finishes all his task's he is required to fulfill before then. He sounds almost believable at times! He told me that one day when he was in Seattle he met the singer Bono. I guess he asked my son to carry a computer up the stairs into his house or motel room, then Bono told my son that he would write a book soon, (my son would) and that he,(bono) would like a signed copy! He asked me to please call Bono for him and ask him some weird questions or something, naturally I said I couldn't find his number! I do hope that someday someone can reach him, but when he is sober he is even more passionate about his Mithra status! Thank you again, and you have a good rest of the year,
Peace and Love, E.G
The cia used to use lsd and other various forms of psychedelics to mind control their victims...I recommend books such as Chinese herbal medicine by c.p li, mushrooms and mankind by James Arthur which this book might be closer to the mithras religion than the former
A book o can't think of off the top of my head was written by a doctor that had used his approach with his patients for curing them of what ever ailments that they had. From the cerpt of the book I briefly read she soon began (the doctor) began to gradually see changes in her patients. She was using a jungian approach mixed with a sense of humor to get her patients in the "mood' to participate in her patients dialogue with them by engaging with them personally in using humor as a remedy for most common ailments
Happy Yalda night, 21nd December 🥂🎉🌞 Yalda (The birth of Mithra) and the longest night of the year which all Persians no matter religion celebrate is the second most important holiday after the new years which comes from Zoroastrian. And the new year is based on calendar and literary means new year as it is celebrates the first day of spring, 23nd March.
A Persianized restatement of Roman traditional religion for soldiers?
Some of the following comments may be addressed in a subsequent video, but I am trying to work through videos in date order, as and when I find them and this is where I am.
The words ''killed'' or ''slayed'' are used frequently during the early part of the video before the use of ''sacrifice'' is introduced which then virtually disappears again. Is this because the iconography seems to elevate feasting above sacrifice?
Worship of cattle appears to be common among pastoral communities, usually involving a cow deity in earlier mythologies but being superseded by a bull in later ones. Perhaps part of the shift from female (fertility) oriented worship to male oriented (pastoralism)? The idea of sacrificing a bull = deity seems counter-intuitive, yet many sacred cows in the earliest mythologies are killed to provide material for the creation of order out of chaos, at which point the sacrifice of a sacred male proxy doesn't seem so outrageous?
What is the meaning of the snake in the iconography? Is it knowledge & wisdom as in many other mythological concepts, as part of the hidden knowledge of a Mystery cult?
Why does the dog have an erection? Is it just to indicate it's a dog rather than a bitch or is there a hunting or fertility aspect?
What star is indicated at the top of the various panels?
Could there be a connecting thread between the ravens of Sol, Odin, Edgar Allen Poe and the Tower of London? Are there any other raven connections in mythology?
The lion-headed man entwined with two serpents: looks like the Staff of Asclepius. Is there a connection between Leo and medicine? Between medicine and Mithras, eg military medicine, assuming Mithras IS an army oriented deity, as suggested?
Sol has rays (like Aten / Re / Alexander the Great) does this generalise to the nimbus / halo of angels & Christian saints?
These are just a few of the questions / connections this video throws up... can't wait for more!!!
No equivalent lion headed gods? You only have to look to Egypt for Sekhamet, who also had an association with the Sun God (Ra). One of her titles was, the Right Eye of Ra.
Yes, a good point, although was inferring as in the complete package including the other motifs. Sekhamet could be considered as you say, although female, there is some element of overlap, especially regarding the sun.
@@Crecganford there is also a further association of lion headed gods with cycles of time, or aeons as we might refer to them.
The god Aion from whence comes our tern aeon is then associated with time, and also Mithras.
Phanes is also associated with time and Mithras.
One sees the same symbols repeating.
Thanks for this. Very useful and astute account of the iconography.
And thank you for watching
Your grey eyes are so enchanting ✨
Crecganford is the reliable channel on mythology which I was looking for. Thanks for the work. Could it be that the Vatican statue is out of context and Mithras in fact was looking at the sun - which we can not see because there is no visual context remaining? And what about the white dot on the pic of the birth of Mithras? Dotting genitalia and sexuality related topoi must be a neverending endeavour for anthropologists which are at the same time depraving the exhibits of much of their value.
Referring to the summer solstice, it is remarkable that in all depictions of Mithras his head and cap are exactly in the middle of the picture, sometimes accompanied by the according zodiac. This gives us a hint to the autumn equinox. Which, I think, was the original date of Jesus's birth before it was moved to late december.
Apart from the mystery about the actual content of Mithraism, it does seem strikingly similar to Christianity: both seem to be loosely based other, pre-existing religions by people in the Roman empire - Judaism morphs into Christianity, and some variety of (perhaps) Persian religion is adapted to become Mithraism. With Christianity, the most obvious changes were the dropping everything that made Judaism off-putting for gentiles: circumcision, dietary rules, and hatred of Roman invaders. I am no kind of expert, but it does seem to me at least possible that if Roman Mithraism was the product of a similar adaptation, the new religion might appear - from the remaining evidence - to have nothing in common with the original. I mean, imagine if all that remained of Christianity was a few drawings of fish and some hostile propaganda - would we be able to guess its links with Judaism?
It definitely could have emerged from Zoroastrianism. By the birth of Mithraism the faith of Zoroaster was dying off in popularity to the point it remains as a shadow of its former self
Mystery cults were all the rage at the time. The jewish cult of christianity was one of the last. The shared trait is usually a god-man (and in one case a woman), miraculous deeds, an ordeal of this god-man, one story for the outsiders and a different one for the initiated, a communal meal for the followers. According to Dr Richard Carrier, if you apply the common traits of mystery cults to judaism, you can predict christianity.
Mitra's supervisor god in vedic tradition and World wide....
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the man with the lions head and wrapped with the snake reminds me of the gnostic yaldabaoth. gnosticism was also very astrological, so there could be a connection there. the tongs and hammer of vulcan/hephaestus could possibly represent a demiurge role for this ahriman type figure.
Less ahriman more zurvan
Mithras is clearly demiurge (yaldabaoth/KINGU/Tengu) iconography. Snake/lion head/square/killing the bull(cow). IMO this is the emergence of kabbalism in Rome. This is the beginning of the Roman revolution and beginnings of the "EMPIRE". No doubt cypto persian influence within the Army and on Romes borders. The 4 animals being the the N , S , E , W of the processional great cycle , the 4 Gods used to hold the net of the Leviathan from the creation myth.
This Is description not explanation. Not to speak of decoding.
Wow, very good channel, comrade.
Thank you
Thank you for the stepping stones of information.
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Mithras as we know is a sun deity. The bull though is entirely different. It is in fact a bow wave effect in the symbol of Islam the crescent moon is the horns of a bull and star is our present moon. Judgement day of Christian and Islamic tradition, Ragnarock already happened long ago
Mara Unduk tale of when earth had 2 moons. Mani the moon and the 2 children who traveled with it. The Zulu myth of 2 brothers who hollowed out the moon and rolled it across the heavens. The Hebrew word Sencherib which means "The moon god Sin replaced the 2 brothers"
Mara Unduk interestingly, if you take the 1st 3 letters Mar and the last 3 letters Duk, Combine the 2 you have Marduk.
The remaining 3 letters AUN means "moon" in Bukiyip. Reverse U and N and you have Anu father of the gods. Sin the moon god was also said to be the father of the gods. So there is clearly part of the Annunaki present.
2 ancient Arab words for the moon are in english "wanderer" "old one". The moon for a fact is older than the earth! It now becomes apparent the moon wandered the solar system and as it traveled around the sun another myth speaks. From Africa came a myth that the sun got into a fight with the moon. The sun threw mud at the moon and some stuck to it's face. The mud spoken of obviously is solar plasma from a sun flare. The face we see today is missing all it's volitile elements such as zinc from a high temperature event! Scientist's studied trinitites and moon rocks looking for their lose of volitile elements. And I believe the moons surface has a great deal of glassy remains.
The moon is the star of Bethlehem and the 3 wise men are the belt stars of Orion. You see Christ is also symbolized as the sun/son of god and also the sun/son of man worshipped long long ago.
The moon was responsible for massive flood if we take Gonggong seriously as it orbited and settled into orbit around the earth. Black hole sun as the moon headed toward earth growing bigger makes for interesting thoughts.
So the moon is indeed a serpent, it's tail a trail of rocky debris from the asteroid belt. It's Gonggong en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonggong (Gonggong is thought of as a dwarf planet which our moon clearly is being larger than Pluto) It''s the old serpent the devil in Revelations. It's the world serpent of Ragnarok Jormungandr
Some fascinating connections: BUT, are mythological connections made in anglicised script relevant to the languages from which they are translated? I have seen some fascinating numerology regarding the Great Pyramid based on multiples of its footprint in metres. The metre is a modern measurement, hardly relevant to a millennia-old monument that was undoubtedly constructed to something like the Imperial Cubit, longer than the standard cubit, but still considerably shorter than the metre.
You state as a ''fact'' that the Moon is older than the Earth but the latest science says the Moon was created FROM the Earth by a collision with a moon-sized planetoid during the Early Massive Bombardment. Thus every conclusion based on a wandering ''older'' Moon has to be suspect.
The heat generated by meteoric impacts creates glass from the silicates of normal planetary surfaces. Four billion years of impacts will create a lot of glassy surface, not from a single high temperature event.
We have to remember that myths and their elements had two functions: 1) to explain things, via gods & magic, that to humans of the time were otherwise unexplainable, and 2) to establish a religious / royal hierarchy that justified the elevation of priest-kings over mere mortals.
I don't think Aryaman and Ahriman are the same exact thing because Ahriman is also Angra Manyu, connected with the Sanskrit Angiras. I would really love a video discussing this because I am really confused as to what or why caused this split. I feel like by answering it, we can solve a huge puzzle.
Zarathustra caused the split.
Excellent summary!
7:13 lion = Leo, Serpent is a part of Ophiuchus the serpent bearer, he’s also Orion.
Sun, Milky Way in Taurus, the Moon, at their feet is Leo and Scorpio.
It’s connected to Zoroastrianism I think.. Apollo or Apollyon/Abaddon is in the Bible, however there are others like Zeus known as Baal-Zephon son of Baal-Hammon who was Cronus. Alexander is thought to have descended from this BaalZaphon or Zeus-Amun = Baal-Hammon
whatever noise gate you are using, you set the threshold wrong, you are clipping off the ends of your words.
Thank you for your feedback.
@@Crecganford no problem, i enjoy your channel and just want to hear you clearly!
Theres a legend that members of a very ancient Sun worship cult were initiated on their 14th birthday, being taken on this day by their father to face and defeat a wild bull. Those who failed to face down the bull were not initiated and remained unaware of the cults existence.
Pictures of man with lion's head and snake is zurvan (not mithras)
Zurvanism (also Zarvan) is a fatalistic religious movement of Zoroastrianism in which the divinity Zurvan is a First Principle (primordial creator deity) who engendered equal-but-opposite twins, Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu. Zurvanism is also known as "Zurvanite Zoroastrianism", and may be contrasted with Mazdaism
Interesting video. I did have some trouble understanding some of the words you were speaking because the sound in the video seemed to be popping in and out. I’ve been looking into Miss Rios him and Mr. records for a while now in order to help solve some oddities of gaps between other existing mystery societies and fraternities such as freemasonry. I found some links through symbolism from ancient Rome, ancient Greece, the ancient Persian empire, going all the way back to the ancient FedEx and ancient Samarian and Babylonian deities. There are connections though I admit they are tenuous. The Lionhead figure I have always found to be fascinating and there are other aspects and meanings to some of the symbols contained within that image which I would like to discuss with you if you’re interested. They have to do with keeping secrets and a craft. Miss Reyes him is experiencing a rebirth in interest because it has been recently discovered that there are still small groups of these people practicing and meeting. It is in my opinion a dark and enigmatic secret fraternity
It is a huge time span, but the first lion headed man is seen in Mesolithic art. A carved ivory statue about a foot high.
Check out Carl Rucks ' Mushrooms Myth and Mithras'. He draws good correlation between Mithrasism, freemasonry and possible founding of the U. S.
The people who invented christianity took inspiration from a lot of sources
But none of those was God...
Do you think its possible or even likely that christianity is a tool mass manipulation to counter civil war inside the roman empire?
… and there you have it
Vice versa. I AM rend'rs all whom oppose Him shaken to the rotten core. Like Pharoah. Hard ♥️
sound is overcompressed
Sound on newer videos is a lot better, but thank you for letting me know :)
@@Crecganford LOVE the content :P
So i was watching a documentary regarding the graal, it's origin seem to be quite complex, eith even the possibility of it coming from outside christianity, is this true? What about the myth of the stone held by lucifer? They talked about this too but honestly i didn't comprend all about it, it would be interesting for a video about that.
I do want to talk about this more in the future, and so yes, I hope to one day.
There is a tribe in Iran that still follows Mithraism. It’s the Bakhtiari tribe in southwestern Iran. They claim to be Muslim but their symbolism says otherwise. There are many studies done on this group. They’re interesting.
Great video . Does open up so many question about the cult now 🤔
Thanks dude!
Thanks 🙏🏻
There is an underestimated enigma in appearance of Mitra monument, but no-one can even understand that. So the crux is in scorpion cutting the genitals of a bull. What does it mean? How do you think about this?
This is too complex to go into detail here, but this would on first consideration seem to be a sexual reference due to the creatures and body parts involved.
@@Crecganford I don't understand what do you mean writting 'sexual reference'? And can you recomend several books about Mitra in English please?
@@Crecganford There is an opinion that bull depicted under Mitra is a symbol of old Dionysus. This opinion based on image of bull on map of the starry sky by Jan Hevelius, where the bull is depicted with Hyades and the Pleiades around the neck. As a first approximation, we can say that the Hyades and the Pleiades denote the Bacchantes, the constant companions of Dionysus. God Dionysus is known for being undecided about his gender. So, it turns out that Mithra tames Dionysus, and a scorpion takes part in this act, aiming at the genitals, a sign of gender, with which Dionysus has not decided who is he: male or female. But what function the scorpion performs in this act is not clear. This is why the scorpion puzzle is so important to understand.
Summarizing what has been said, the question about scorpion is a key to understanding how Mitra can tame with Dionysis
@@user-ki4jj6fw8n I have not found any good books that explain it well, but there are papers. If you have access to JSTOR via your university, or use Google Scholar, and search for the references, you should be able to find something such as www.jstor.org/stable/43286782
at 18:30 you try to argue that Mithraism isnt persian by comparing it to Zoroastrianism. Doing so, you are ignoring thousands of years of Mithraic religion practice in Iran which was extremely different than Zoroastrianism. Look at all the median reliefs pre-Zoroastrianism, look at the parthian religion, look at the persian feudal houses, look at the iranian tribes in the Caucasus and the steps, all worship Mehr (mithra). Look at the tomb of cyrus and the related animal sacrifice. look at the mountain where Darius, Xerxes and many other persian kings are buried, its called the mountain of Mehr. Look at the early swastika sign, its called the Wheel of Mehr in Iran. Zoroastrianism didnt become a state religion until Ardashir (first Sassanian king) destroyed all the mithraic temples in Iran along with any txt remaining from the Parthians. Please do more research before trying to educate others...
All the papers I read stated that there was no connection, papers by very educated people. The Mithras of the Romans was not a direct evolution from Persia. If you want to counter that would you be so kind as to refer me to some papers that establish a connection? Many thanks
One thing that always strikes me about Mithraism is that though it is often presented as a very solar-centric cult, the second highest level initiates are ruled by Sol, the sun god, but the highest level or grade is under the rule/protection of Saturn. Mithras is depicted receiving from Saturn the sword or dagger which he executed the bull with. In classical mythology Saturn rules Elysium, the afterlife where those chosen by the gods, the righteous and heroic dwell. Sol is also depicted kneeling before Mithras, reflecting this role as the secondary rather than the primary deity of the cult.
That C of your family Crest or whatever it is. It looks familiar from my spirit dreams with some kind of benevolent large hairy beast-looking intelligent god. That image and this memory of a "ship" that just felt like my bedroom but was some kind of root structure tunneled in at the bank of a river. I have no idea what it means, but it's the only time I felt something very strange like my conciousness being introduced into a completely different being from a different lifetime or something. It was almost like spirit was charging my soul with more power as this was before I emerged from the clutches of an addiction on my own, but I have eaten magic mushrooms but never felt like that. This was a whole new feeling of "other" that emerged from somewhere inside or that had become one with me but was not able to disguise its powerful signature right away..like it was waking up at the time. I swear I'm not crazy. I have my wife veriy all the other stuff that happens as a result of my connection to it. I dont want any attention for this. Why would I? What I have been craving is understanding
"Mythras was born of a rock. Which doesn't sound like a virgin birth to me."
I'm pretty sure it was a virgin rock. Very few people are willing to screw a rock.
(Sorry, I had to. I understood the point though, nobody needs to painstakingly explain me in a comment. Thank you. :) )
Look closer at imagery of mithras.
He is actually stabbing Taurus’ heart through his right shoulder.
Scorpio at Taurus groin, canis major and the serpent at their respective zodiac points.
The Lion man refers to Adoni 🦁. You are correct that no virgin birth had occured yet, but the wise men from the east were watching ✨ stars. Readers of early hebrew texts would have wisely and secretly know IAM was coming in human Form. The 2 serpants binding Him are a reference to asclepeous, and the serpant Moses held up in the wilderness. There is no doubt some of these mystics forsaw Him coming. Perhaps its an attempt to bind Him so they don't lose their powers of divination?🪨✝️🧎♀️
Why did QI sell the Christian links as fact?
Did they? That’s disappointing…
Jesus was not born on the 25th of December, but the church claimed that he was in order to syncretize Christianity with paganism. Jesus was born sometime in the fall of 4 BCE, but the Bible does not reveal the date.
Apologies.
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I've seen them drawn on cave walls. Perhaps the origin lies there?
Am I the only one who is now even more confused about Mithras than before 🤣?
I will make another video on this, to actually talk about the cult itself. That may clear things up.
All secret cults use hidden meanings.🍄mithras-christianity-knights templar-freemasonry.🍄
Hello from Mitar born on 25 december ;)
its astrological symbolism. Mitra is Aditya that rules over Gemini the constellation came after Taurus. So Mitra slay the Bull to bring Gemini era...
It reminds me of the stars: orion, with dog( sirius), chasing a bull....
You make a big mistake if you think it all startet with rome.
Mithras is Mehr and he is born from the vorgin Anahita.
Roman Mithraism must be linked to ancient Iran.
7:21 do you think it is the ancestor of modern bull fighting?
Thanks for this one. I was just watching a Jordan Jorjani video with all his seductive-but-crazy-sounding claims about Mithra/Zoroaster - Mr. Jorjani (a Trump admirer and co-founder of a far right hate group, who wants to start a nuclear war with China) says all sorts of things that sound fascinating but I dunno... almost too many things to reasonably look all of em up to see where he might be getting the info from.
Jason r Jorjani has a diff take on mythra
Are you aware of Archaya DM Murdoch's work?
Scorpion stinging the bull's testes is also the Phoenix, Pledieas and Sirius are important. Not sure why. Listening now...
Yes, I will be doing a follow up video explaining the iconography in more detail, including the influence of the stars, as this video was far longer than I anticipated. I hope you enjoyed it, and thanks for watching
@@Crecganford yes fascinating, I know mostly about Persian Mithras as it is older than and was incorporated into Zoroastrianism. Furthermore I feel Egypt is a red herring when it comes to the org charts of Freemasonry, a society of men with the degrees, Mithras is clearly a huge influence
@@AD-zg7fw yes, interesting. It may have been influential but equally it may just be a standard way these cults are setup. I'm not sure if I know enough evidence to support either opinion academically yet. But my journey into Mithras is fairly new, and I'm sure I'll do a deeper dive in the coming months. Thanks for your feedback and watching, it is appreciated
If Sirius was important, that would explain the star symbol on one the reliefs.
@@LeoPlaw Thanks for all the feedback. The next video on Mithras I do I'll look into the stars more closely. I certainly feel, like you, there are some connections here to be considered.
What if the hull represents Taurus the zodiac sign
the lion headed figure is Yaldabaoth
The Voice micro editing is freaking annoying how much time do you really save it drives me crazy
The cult of mithras is based on western indo European culture before they became distinct from one another especially the eastern bands, also mithras is staring out at his people and land in the statue of killing the bull who are both hungry and grateful for what he's doing for them.
I would have liked a summary of high points at start, because video is detailed and big investment of time for not much new insights. Thanks.
Thanks for the feedback Erich, and for watching. I do use chapters which may help you in future to skip parts that you already have knowledge of.
Maybe mithras became the mystical core of Christianity
The great alchemists
Freud purchased alot of serpent ornaments. Maybe he tapped into serpent possession cos he certainly had some lion to do after he first came out
I was going to email you this but I don't use Facebook or its ilk. I thought you might find this interesting. The lionhead man reminded me of the sumerian demon Pazazu(demon idol used at the beginning of The Exorcist film.). Iconography of the elements being held, wings and a snake coming up the leg/s. Ironically while searching for a suitable comparison I found a stele of Anu, ancient sky father and progenitor of the sumerian gods.... kneeling on and slaying a bull. www.wikiwand.com/en/Anu
"Anu briefly appears in the Akkadian Epic of Gilgamesh, in which his daughter Ishtar (the East Semitic equivalent to Inanna) persuades him to give her the Bull of Heaven so that she may send it to attack Gilgamesh. The incident results in the death of Enkidu. In another legend, Anu summons the mortal hero Adapa before him for breaking the wing of the south wind. Anu orders for Adapa to be given the food and water of immortality, which Adapa refuses, having been warned beforehand by Enki that Anu will offer him the food and water of death. In ancient Hittite religion, Anu is a former ruler of the gods, who was overthrown by his son Kumarbi, who bit off his father's genitals and gave birth to the storm god Teshub. Teshub overthrew Kumarbi, avenged Anu's mutilation, and became the new king of the gods. This story was the later basis for the castration of Ouranos in Hesiod's Theogony."
You can email me at any name at crecganford.com, and thanks for the info
I think that is Enkidu killing the bull of heaven in the image at wikiwand. I was reading The Roman Cult of Mithras by Manfred Claus today. He has a good chapter where he goes over the cult artwork. The artists had some leeway in details. For instance, the bull has been shown as white, black or brown. There were a lot of characters in the cult, it seems, and the person paying for the artwork could pick what he wanted included on his piece. The artists would try to pack as many scenes and characters in, as possible.
from what i know Mitra was the son of Ene the first alien Giant sun of the Alien Angel Ra. Mitras Sun is Zamolxis . th gepizi , scythian, geti, goti, and dacian have tose kinds of hats on theyr had ! what do u call german and greecs or roman are in fact getic mitologies stil wrapped in mysteries!
Once again I applaud your historical rigor but I take exception of your analysis.
You repeat the claim that there was no connection between eastern Mithraism and Roman Mithrasisim yet you admitt we have no idea of either branches theology and the basis for your statement seems to come from analysis of the art styles at eastern an western temples. The style of art is different granted but the iconography is exactly the same. It would be more accurate to say we don't know if they are connected.
You also claim that there was no connection between Jesus and Mithras... other than the fact that they were born in the same place in the same day ( also if you're at the church of the Holy Sepulchre don't ask about that hole in the floor Mithras came out of . They get a little pissy ). Also the three wise men part of the Christmas story was added to join the Mithras Legend to Jesus, as was the accepted date of Jesus' birth. You also mention the consuming of bread and wine in the Christian tradition, something well documented in Greco/ Roman theology but unheard of in Judaism until that moment... sounds like more stuff added on to make it familiar to the Roman converts to Christianity after Constantine... also you did not mention Mithrasisim suddenly became less popular across the Empire after the Conversion of Constantine.
These are just things that raise questions for me ... I'm no scholar just a hillbilly who has read too many book. Many of them contradicting the others.
Anyway thanks for the video, keep up the good work.
I look forward to learning from you and disagreeing with you in the future.
Great content
I appreciate your comments, and perhaps I didn't emphasize enough certain aspects that may have cleared up some of your points. I do enjoy decent challenges, and I will do more on Mitra and Mithras soon (or that is the plan).
The Lion ♌ Sekhmet or Yama and many other names... Is the opposite of Bull 🐂
Italy 🇮🇹 Rome is new countries and new land,, Persia is much older
Cult of #Mitra is from persia not from Italy
Exactly what it says in the video
2:05 disbarred?
i think mitra killd the snake , not the bull!
Now do a video on 👉CULT OF J€SUS ....... How can you call Mithras religion a cult ?
The earth is a big rock. I think some cultures have the earth giving birth without the input of a lover, i.e. virgin.
out of 7 stages of Love, in one the person should’ve taken down the bull.
I am 55 years old I've never met anybody I mean anybody that has hidden knowledge