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- It's finally time for the Gunslinger Class Guide! I'm only a LITTLE late in covering the brand new class added to Pathfinder 2e in the Guns & Gears supplement! So sit back and enjoy me talking about EVERYTHING regarding the Gunslinger!
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Actually, they get Legendary in Perception, which is great. Means they can take the general feat to get True Seeing permanently.
Wait really??
@@Terrarian329 Yeah, Gunslingers get Legendary Perception at level 19, the same level you can take the General Feat True Perception. Gives you True Seeing at all times.
@@Mewzard writing that down for my sniper build
30:44 The feat is literally called warning shot. If you hear a bullet wiz past your head you're probobly gonna be a little startled no matter how far away the bullet came from.
whiz? if you're firing supersonics, she's gonna CRACK. i'd be shocked if you DIDN'T startle at that.
me when playing any FPS and hearing Sniper CRACKS! and I am just running "RANDOM ZIG ZAG OH SHIT"
Not only is it startling regardless of range, it's even more so when the target can't even see where the shot could have come from
If a bullet flew past my head, cracking the air next to my ear and probably partially bursting my ear drum, I'd probably shit myself
I just want to note that both armor proficiency and not-guns weapon proficiencies are exactly the same as other martials. They just can't "cheat" proficiency in other weapons up to legendary as fighters can do.
2- Another neat thing about Blast Lock as a feat is that is a single action, instead of the two action activity that is pick a lock
I just love the Way of the Sniper. Attacking at +6 above the expected attack modifier for your level is just insane.
2 from gunslinger, 2 from hiding, 2 from ____?
@@Dezbood Sniper's Aim
@@karmagator2312 oh duh I was an picturing earlier level. My sniper is currently on the brink of hitting level 5 in our kingmaker game, definitely taking SA at 6.
Quick Draw is a good Feat for a few reasons. For one, the Way of the Pistolero. Their Initial Deed, Ten Paces, only allows them to draw a single one-handed firearm or crossbow. So, if you are specifically trying to build a dual-wielding Pistolero, Quick Draw becomes important for action economy with your secondary weapon, allowing you to draw and fire instead of draw then fire as two separate actions.
Piggybacking from that, in a more general sense, it is a good Feat to have for those individuals whose builds rely on having multiple firearms/crossbows for a more drop and fire style of play. Say you already have two pistols drawn and have fired both. You don't have Dual-Weapon Reload (for some reason) and instead rely on having 6 already loaded guns. Dropping is a free action, then you use Quick Draw to pull another and fire it. Rinse and repeat at nauseum.
On the subject of that, I wish their was a Feat that gave you a reaction to kick a firearm that you've dropped back up to you hand, with maybe the ability to reload as you do so. That would be cool.
You should reread slinger's reflexes. It gives you another reaction at the start of each enemy's turn. This is way better than just an extra reaction.
little less worth it when a lot of the reactions require you have a loaded firearm, maybe theres more that dont then i remember but yea. unless you have a magazine weapon thinking more though.
That's very true, but the way Nonat read it implied that you only get one extra reaction rather than on reaction per enemy turn.
Even with one bullet, you can still use fake out because the firearm just had to be loaded, so you could use that every time an enemy turn passes and an ally attcks. Plus grit and tenacity and hit the dirt don't require bullets.
@@droxer673 He did read it to say "extra reaction per turn", but a lot of people do confuse "turn" with "round"
However, this Feat still isn't that good, because it specifies that you only get the extra reaction on each *enemy's* turn, and you have to use the reaction on *that* turn. Since Fake Out requires your Ally to be attacking, chances are you don't have that extra reaction unless that Ally is using an Attack of Opportunity during an enemy's turn.
Overall it's actually pretty subpar. Since most gunslinger reactions require a loaded weapon, you'd at most get 2 extra reactions out of this most of the time. The only exception to this is Hit the Dirt! since it technically doesn't require you to be standing
4:00 This doesn't in fact kill the gunslinger as a dual class option for any martial. Other than fighter that is. If you look at the progression the gunslinger proficiency cap with non-guns increases at the same point every normal martial gets their increases. So for anything but fighter this doesn't limit any combo at all ever.
It actually improves alot of ranged builds that want to use crossbow or guns. Ranger with a gun
@@tmacker14 Precision Ranger with a crossbow! It's a valid sniper-like build, so if you add a pistolero's reload and demoralize on top of +2 proficiency and Dread Striker from Rogue or Butterfly blade dedication, you're going to crit a lot
Some of this is due to a misprint in the level 13 feature, which says that your other weapons are now at expert, when it should say master.
Dante running down temen-ni-gru is the best example you could have chosen. I approve!
Note to self: Dual-Class Alchemist/Gunslinger sounds like it could get nasty. Something to try if I ever play a game with that variant rule (Consider this my vote for making Gunslinger the next Dual-Class Tier List video.)
Try Gunslinger with Demolitionist archetype.....
ALCHEMICAL BULLET 'N BOMBS
Sounds like "So, you have an element weakness? Let me it"
This is my swat operative build
About to run Outlaws of Alkenstar with everyone dual classing gunslinger and no casters.
@@jaceks88 That either sounds like utter chaos or the greatest thing ever. Potentially both. I wish you luck with that
You got me at "Everyone speaks the language of gun."
I belive they get Quickdraw so you can do the "never reload just grab a new gun" kind of thing
In the playtest we fought against a mummy, two alchemical shots later, the mummy got persistent fire and persistent positive damage each round, both triggering the weaknesses of the mummy xD
0:00 Intro
1:16 Key ability score, hit points and proficiencies.
3:03 Gunslinger ways
3:20 Singular expertise
5:39 Way of the Drifter
9:12 Way of the Pistolero
11:58 Way of the Sniper
15:12 Way of the Vanguard
19:25 Usual class features
19:33 Stubborn
28:51 Shootist's edge
21:31 The bird sings of my domain
21:49 1st lvl feats
27:39 2nd lvl feats
31:05 4th lvl feats
35:34 Iconics name
35:52 6th lvl feats
42:04 8th lvl feats
43:48 Disclaimer about the Smoke courtain feat
44:34 The bad explanation
45:58 8th lvl feats part 2
46:49 10th lvl feats
54:16 12th lvl feats
1:02:42 14th lvl feats
1:10:47 16th lvl feats
1:14:24 18 lvl feats
1:18:41 20th lvl feats
Nonat, can you please add these as chapters? 👀
@@SunDry_Marchy I haven't finnished them so I hope not yet.
Edit: Now I finnished so he can if he wants.
You are the hero we needed and the hero I wanted.
Quick Draw helps with the whole keep-20-guns-on-you thing
Literally in the middle of rolling up a new gunslinger. Thank you!
I kinda wished that spell shot was covered with the gunslinger with how it's basically just another way
This is the reason why I watched this and it's not covered at all. :/
I'm about to play a ratfolk gunslinger who's a bounty hunter, can't friggin wait ❤️
Hair so........BRIGHT!!!
Love how you own your mistakes. Great review of the Gunslinger.
Gunslinger feats are peak Pathfinder 2e absurdity and I'm all for it. We need more. More!
Considering the loaded property, quick draw with guns saves you that reload action.
Especially with his Chad comment of having ten weapons pre loaded
30:43 "He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!" - The Jerk
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Drifters wake can be done with a gun of your choice and a double barrel pistol to make 3 legendary attacks with no MAP.
29:32 so you can, instead of reloading, just have 50 guns already loaded and just drop your guns and pull out new ones.
I like how you made a joke about that earlier, but when there's actual support for that you forget all about it.
Tbh for something like pf2e id expect it to say "NOPE" with all tons of RAW caveats.
Nonat with fighters: why they have a +2 to hit over everyone else? That is broken!
Nonat with snipers aim: there are other feats worth the actions.
Me: this is a +2 on attack rolls in a class that already have a +2, HOW THAT IS NOT GOOD?!
Not watched yet but already feel qualified to comment ‘FUCK YES!’. Gunslingers are awesome.
My favorite caster, the one who casts the most powerful of spells... GUN
quick draw allows you to use a free action to drop a weapon and use an action to draw one and attack -> you can switch weapon for no action cost during combat
Omg 44:34 is just a chefs kiss of "He confused but he got the spirit"
quick draw feat is usefull if you have multiple 1 shot fire arm and you shoot and drop, draw shoot and drop and so on
Quick Draw would be good if you're building a Blackbeard-like character and you've got a bunch of single-shot loaded pistols on you so you can just Draw, fire, drop, draw, fire, drop etc.
Falling damage in 2e:When you fall more than 5 feet, you take bludgeoning damage equal to half the distance you fell when you land. Treat falls longer than 1,500 feet as though they were 1,500 feet (750 damage). If you take any damage from a fall, you land prone. You fall about 500 feet in the first round of falling and about 1,500 feet each round thereafter. (pushes glasses up.)
I've been thinking of switching to Pathfinder and the Pistolero sounds like such a good time.
One small correction on Disruptive Blur - it just happens. As long as you make an appropriate strike, you get the effect. Full stop. Even on a crit fail.
EDIT: Also, to make a case for Reach for the Stars - if you have quick jump, this lets you, for a single action, move your long jump +50 feet. Yes, you can go straight up with it, but I personally think it's more valuable as a mobility boost at this level.
For the demoralization with the Warning Shot, it's easy. What the fuck could be scarier than a bang and suddenly the wall next to your head craters. You have to wonder if it was a deliberate miss or if someone's out for your blood. Either way, you were maybe a hair's breadth away from meeting the reaper.
Edit: The Goblin Spoongun (is the the right term?) can be used with the Instant Return Feat. Just have one unloaded in your belt and someone launches something at you, you shove it into the pistol and give it right back. With the way the spoon gun is made EVERYTHING including bits of monsters, rocks and even spit (theoretically) can be launched back.
Edit2: Reach for the Stars is at 18 because it's NON-MAGICAL. A lot of your power comes from magic, and being able to effectively fly without a drop of magic means you get to where you need to be regardless of what kind of shenanigans there are. There's no way to block physics. Just magic and all it's derivatives.
I hope you continue to make these longer breakdown videos (and this one doesn't get demonetized). For me, despite the increased length, it's something I can put in the background while working remotely like an audiobook and rules I would like to be more familiar and entertaining commentary on top of that. Despite the additional length and editing, worth it since this kind of content for 2E is rare.
I personally think that quick draw is for those multi pistol lunatic builds! Imagine just pulling out shotgun pistol after shotgun pistol!
The most important tip for Gunslinger play: Make sure you lock the door to your room at the inn and you've unloaded your gun before you pretend to shoot things with your gun while making pew pew noises before going to bed.
My local gun store has a glass jar full of bullets and shells. They call it the "It's unloaded" jar. If you have a round in the chamber when you take it in for maintenance, fitting a new part, consign the firearm, etc., you have to put that round in the jar. It staggers, amuses, and disappoints me to no end whenever I walk in and see that jar full.
A real gunslinger knows there's no such thing as an "unloaded gun"
1:18:20 I've been wanting to use this in a character I will be playing and watching this made me come to a realization. As long as you have "Quick jump" you could do reach for the stars twice in one turn. lets say you have run and gun as well. That is a LOT of movement
I was waiting for the spellshoter, i guess i had to wait since it is technically an archetype, still great video
With blast lock you can purposely try to fail or crit fail to ruin a lock to keep something else from following you
This is 4th dimensional thinking, oh my god.
1:19:50 funnily enough, With sniper duo you can have an ally that you can fire shots off of that redirect your attacks. Also I believe the unexpected sharpshooter can essentially do this with a 3 action attack that can wipe out an entire army technically if you can consistently hit enemies while still at -10
Piercing critical is also good for MAP.
31:15 a little bit of correcting here. You don’t need to be wielding a ONE handed firearm. It just says firearm or crossbow. Meaning you can have a two handed firearm or crossbow and just take a hand off the weapon for a sec to do this action
Well yeah, Nonat, a Monk or Champion can fly at level 14.... but the Goblin Gunslinger can't. Jumping 50 feet allows them to keep up with those who can fly over cliffs and such.
Blast lock gives me a really good idea for Skill/Talent, Percussive Lockpicking.
Shooting the lock off the gate, beating a spaceship's terminal with a pipe wrench accidentally inputting the unlock code.
Based off percussive maintenance, but for lockpicking.
And you need Strength to use it.
Probably needs a lotta testing.
Interesting they added crossbows within the overall package of the class unlike the original from PF 1E. If I remember they had a subclass that gave bonuses and focused on crossbows for those who didn't want to add fire arms to the game.
I like the idea of handaxe and hand cross pirate or something.
This video is kind of old, but I do want to add that munitions crafter gives you actually a total of 8 formulae, though they have to be alchemical ammunition or bombs; it says you get the Alchemical Crafting feat, which comes with four, and four ADDITIONAL formulas.
Reach for the stars: I guess you could say its underpowderd
I'm pretty sure the reason why the drifter (should they choose to use a melee weapon instead of unarmed strikes) can only reload through their unique reload is to encourage you to use your left over action to melee strike
Blood in the Air doesn't work on Invisible creatures unless you use a seek action to locate their square via sound or motion.
Blood in the Air works against creatures that are in a dense fog or something, and if you can locate an invisible creature then it allows you to treat them as hidden instead of concealed, but against Invisibility.
Deadeye basically just lets you automatically succeed on that perception check to locate invisible creatures.
I love these 101 videos!!!
Keep it up!!!
1:13:30 Definitely not yelling at you in the comments about Instant Return. In fact, if a gunslinger is wielding a hand cannon, what you're saying is definitely possible with GM's approval. I know the feat says a bullet if you're wielding a firearm but Guns & Gears says a hand cannon "can be used to fire almost anything that can be packed into its barrel" so why couldn't you stuff a crossbow bolt in there? That'd be so cool!
Great video love your content, would love to see a deep dive on the two other gunslingers as a follow up. I hope you have a great day and looking forward to seeing more of your great content 😊
I've been experimenting w/different builds. I've attempted doing a Doomslayer build, and I ended up with a Rogue base, but w/a Gunslinger Drifter as the Archetype, and it is glorious!
I think you must be misunderstanding something about Singular Expertise. Your non-gun or non-crossbow proficiencies still scale at the same Trained/Expert/Master rate of levels 1/5/13 that every other non-Fighter martial already has. It's just like the weapons the Fighter doesn't focus in except not starting at Expert.
It literally only matters in two instances.
1. You take the Archer, Mauler, or similar Archetype Dedication feat. These scale a category of weapon proficiency to match your highest. Singular Expertise prevents these from matching your Expert/Master/Legendary scaling.
2. A Fighter//Gunslinger dual class. This is such a poor combination that you'd either never take it anyways, or if you do your GM probably won't apply the limitation to your Fighter weapon proficiency. Could be a cool way to do a combination weapon focused character.
Just in time! Currently making dwarf vanguard!
With ‘warning shot’ feat it’s actually not that crazy to demoralize an enemy from 900 feet. In the real world a sniper or a designated marksman can be used to demoralize the enemy by suppressing their position with intermittent shots in the enemy’s general area. We used to call it taking “pop shots” to remind the enemy you’re there and you can reach out and touch them.
im still waiting on that combination weapons video nonat. Theyre so fucking cool and i use them on my society characters whenever it makes sense to.
Note that headshot has incapacitation trait, which makes it worse against enemies higher level than you, because now they have to critically fail (meaning probably only on rolling a 1) in order for it to work.
Hmmm, I think you are using 1e fall rules. In 2e isn't it just half distance fallen in bludgeoning damage?
Edit) Still a great video, super happy to have you back! I loved this video. I love the gunslinger
More likely he mixed it up with 5e, which also uses 1d6 per 10 feet fallen
You’re mixing up 5e and PF2 fall damage. In PF2 you take damage equal to half the distance fallen and fall prone if you take any damage.
I agree the Nhalmika the dwarf gun mom is the best iconic in all Pathfinder.
thanks been waiting for this
Will you be doing a video about the gunslinger's class archetype, "Spellshot?"
THAT'S A THING!?
@@Nonat1s Yes it is. It's in Guns and Gears. It is the very first, and so far only, class archetype in Pathfinder 2.
@@Nonat1s It gives the Gunslinger a new Way, a new class DC, and magical gun abilities via class feats.
@@stephhanley3167 there are more class archetypes.
Like the Runelord archetypen for wizards
@@stephhanley3167 You’re forgetting the ones that were added in SoM; Elementalist, Flexible Caster, Runelord and Wellspring Mage.
Finally, a video where “Howdy!” fits the theme of the video. Missed you man!
slinger's reflexes only give you an aditional reaction on an enemy turn for that turn (but in all of the enemy turns), so you can't use it to course correct your allies strike but you can use hit the dirt every time... since you do not have to do hit the dirt (maybe)
29:25 it’s a feat for those that want to wield multiple firearms like pistols at the same time. For example, there is a item that allows you to share runes with up to 6 one handed firearms so you would fire, drop, draw, fire, ext. problem with that is drawing would normally cost an extra action making the whole thing a bit moot. You could also use it to bring out a spare firearm in case you misfire or lose your weapon somehow.
Ok, picture an entire battle, and the commands are the feats names, it’s amazing
35:34 "You are like my favorite iconic."
Somewhere in Golarion, Amiri feels a little sad and doesn't know why.
She'll understand. Baemiri is cool like that.
I could see gunslingers maybe wanting quick draw if they were doing a dual wield pistolero, and for some reason you weren't holding any pistols when combat started.
Piercing critical is good for 2nd or 3rd shots in a round suffering from MAP
I was searching for this video last week! But now i already made summoner...and a rogue.... probably going to make another 5 character before the game beggins next month
I’m playing a kobold way of the sniper who takes the snare crafter archetype to slow enemies down and really set up the battlefield before he takes that perfect alchemical shot.
That intro, the longer it takes you to watch and don't look at the publish date, the better it is.
I feel like it's more of a general "feeling of danger/dread" as everything within maximum range is at your mercy. Think like Sho/Seinen anime/manga: "their aura/malevolence/bloodthirsty is too strong!" or "I feel overmatched...."
Is a nat 1 for a Balor low enough to be a failure against a lvl 14 character?
Balor Fortitude is +39, a lvl 14 gunslinger maxing Dex will have a class DC of 33, being only an expert with 20 Dex.
The nat 1 makes the Balor still having a success, downgraded to failure but bumped up to success due to incapacitation.
Balor AC is 45, gunslinger attack is +30 if i'm thinking correctly, so it's still possible to score a crit against it even without circumstances bonuses or him being flat-footed (which in itself is pretty impressive), but the DC is what'll make such a feat impossible.
Still, some even-leveled enemies are very deadly, headshot is far from being a bad feat to choose.
Great video! Now, about the Ranger Warden spells...
The extra reaction could be used to use Grit and Tenacity more than once potentially rerolling two saves per round
34:19
I now have the mental image of some crazed Gunslinger Goblin saying this to the party the way he say it here
GbGS: Common just let me Face Blant a Dragon out of the ssskyyyy...
Welcome back
OMG, another class guide?! Excellent! Thank you Nonat.
Love the golden sheen your hair has here.
LETS GO FINALLY!
Hair Trigger doesn't let you draw and strike nor draw multiple weapons, It lets you strike instead of drawing a weapon so it only does something if you start the encounter with your weapon drawn or, if you are a drifter, you can forgo drawing your melee weapon to strike with your gun.
You say that gunslinger isn't great to dual class with any other martial class but I love the idea of inventor+gunslinger with weapon inovation. Who needs other weapons when your starting inovation will be the only weapon you need.
I guess you don’t know why P2e is so adverse to letting you deal falling damage to things you knock out of the air with things like Felling Strike and whatnot: Falling damage isn’t a roll in this game.
Falling damage is equal to half the distance the creature fell. If you fall 60 feet you take 30 bludgeoning damage on impact. No save. If a dragon grabs a PC and flies up 200 feet with them, they’ll take 100 damage when they hit the ground unless somebody or something saves them.
Mixing inventor and gunslinger is absolutely terrifying. Especially with the weapon innovation.
the alchemical shot only increases in damage based on the level of the bombs, not the gunslinger
That does make a really nice synergy with the Munitions Crafter skill chain though, since when you get Munitions Machinist (I believe that’s the name, don’t have the book in front of me atm), your bombs made with Alchemical Crafting now use an advanced alchemy level equal to your level-3, so you can eventually get access to some really powerful bombs to use with alchemical shot, and if you mix this with Spellshot, that’s a looooot of energy damage coming the enemy’s way.
@@platyclysm4633 you're completely right, I was just clarifying
I want to make a dual class gunslinger /starlight magus.
Firing spells from your gun is so badass
Blast Tackle reminds me of that one fight scene from the most recent John Wick movie where he pins a guy against a wall with the automatic shotgun, reloads it while it’s pressed against the guys chest, and uses the guys resistance to charge the weapon and fire it right into him.
"Surely the explanation wasn't THAT bad"
"..."
"Oh my god"
33:53 Is this the first ever Reaction that you use on your own turn?
I love it that you leave your mess ups in your videos.
I love it when people say things in TTRPGs aren't realistic (Black Powder Boost). Like, were all sitting here playing a game with dragons, lichs, wizards, and now literal Magic Bullets, but nope, rocket jumps just go too far.🤣😅😂
If you've ever taken sniper fire it doesn't take knowing where they are shooting from to near shit your pants.
The only issue with Vanguard is that they both like being up close and using Scatter weapons. They should've had something to let them ignore their own Scatter damage.
"I'm *so* happy that Rebounding Assault *stayed* in the game; it is the *stupidest* feat in Pathfinder 2e, and I am *so* happy it's still here." "I *love* this feat, it's *so* dumb;" It's pretty cool to know you recognize that some of these feats are *ridiculous* things that could only work or happen in an *anime* ; that's not saying it's *bad* , I've been *loving* anime, and even if you *normally* have more realistic tastes, I've seen some of the seemingly unrealistic things in anime actually *work* when executed just a *bit* differently from how it's performed in the anime, so you can be more forgiving and appreciative of ridiculousness like the Rebounding Assault.
I *do* however, need to correct you in *one* thing; the feat rules said the melee weapon needed to deal either bludgeoning or slashing damage. It doesn't work with *piercing* melee weapons.
the max range thing on warning shot makes sense because your shooting at them, which is really damn intimidating
thanks nonat!
I didn't actually know that incapacitation only means one stage higher, I had always just assumed that incapacitation = won't ever work on higher level creatures.