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The humans, I think, knew they were doomed. Where another race would surrender to despair, the humans fought back with greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life, I have never seen anything like it; They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage. Their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships, they used guns, when they ran out guns they used knives and sticks and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years they never ran out of courage but in the end, they ran out of time. Londo Mollari
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It's ironic, isn't it?... I had every window in the palace blocked off because I was afraid, that if I came around the corner and saw this, unprepared,... that I would break down and cry And yet, I spend all my time here, in this room, looking at it.... In my life I had four wives.... I cared for them all deeply.... But I loved Centauri Prime! Loved every street, every tower, every inch of our world... Everything I did, I did for her, now look what we have done to her... But...there is hope, but it will be hard, it will be so very hard... .......Well',...Where was I? Yes,...The War!!! Emperor Mollari, 2278 (Peter Jurasik)RIP
Ah, yes. The Minibar War. I always found it funny how personally the Minbari took Sheridan destroying one of their ships. They mopped the floor with the humans everywhere else, but their one defeat deserved decades of anger against the guy who pulled it off? Did they forget it was a war?
That's the whole point. It was a failure on both sides, not just "humans being primitive savages". Minbari scanners messed with human ships - act of aggression, because it was basically jamming, even if unintentional(btw, Mindari never studied the possibility of their scanner affecting ships this way?). Open weapon ports - sign of aggression for every species in galaxy aside from Minbari. They didn't turn their weapon system on? How other side supposed to know this, especially if it is lees technically developed (and like 90% of other species are LESS developed than Minbari) and jammed by Minbari scanners. Minbari were arrogant and with superiority complex. This is why they acted the way they did. And, btw, why someone would send their most important vessel to check on unknown military ships?
@@madzaisathe Valen'tha wasn't checking out unknown ships, she was on a secret reconnaissance mission to Za'hadum to check out recent Shadow activity when the Earth force expedition was detected
Able. They were angry not because the Minibari War Cruisers suffered a defeat, but because they lost their greatest War Cruiser and Captain in what was a "trap" even though the Black Star was using trap tactics itself.
To be more precise Black Star had the best of the best and children of the council and influential Minbari. So losing Black Star was a lot more emotional. So entire future generation of the council got killed leaving. The entire Minbari race is declining with a lower and lower birth rate.
@@MacsLore oh I know. Your homeworld videos are something I wait for as much as a black pants legion documentaries. I’d love to see you do more battle space style videos if you ever get the inclination
I even remember some folks referring to this show as "Babble On Five." Compared to what was on at the time, it was light years ahead and still looks good to this former "Star Trekker."
In case any of the B5 fans on this page were unaware of it. We just had a Brand New Animated B5 movie released on August 14th. A project led by JMS himself and including the voice talents of the surviving cast members plus a few voice actors. A 30th Anniversary Tribute. Called Babylon 5: The Road Home.
B5 was one of the greatest epic science fiction programs ever. The storyline was basically a full 5 years long. Some episodes stood alone, but overall, everything fit togther. I don't think anyone could make another series like this one.
There were multiple story lines and there was at least a little something pushing a story line forward in every episode. Sometimes it was a 'blink and you'll miss it' moment. JMS had so much going that he actually dropped a few threads so he could keep everything moving.
"No greater sacrifice has ever been asked of a people, but I ask you now... To step forward one last time... One last battle... To hold the line against the night." My favorite scene in my favorite show, ever.
I never saw Babylon 5 until i saw it was on Tubi, and started watching it 3 weeks ago. Last night I made it halfway through season 3. I'm really loving the series so far. I actually like it as much, if not more than Star Trek.
i agree it is in an episodic fomate as well and i much prefer that over star trek.i love star trek not the og star trek as much as the next generation though. the last star trek movie nemesis was awful the plot the really made no sense.they need to make one more movie at lest to end star trek the next generation movies.
Funny you should mention Star Trek. DS9 was its competition and to promote peace, they brought on Gene Roddenburys widow as the former Empress who prophesies that Londo and Vir will both be Emperor. Dont forget Chekov.... I mean Bester
As a long-time Babylon 5 fan, this is a story I'm very familiar with, but the production, the CGI, the narration in this video made it a pleasure to revisit once again. Fantastic job!
To call it a "war" gives humanity too much credit. It was an unabashed slaughter with the Minbari wiping out everything in their path, losing no ships with the exception of the Blackstar, and only ending because the Minbari stayed their hand at the final moment
I came to a revelation a week or two ago playing Arkham Knight. The Minbari are Batman, and the EA were just a rando street-level thug that just wont stop taunting him despite having all his bones broken by the Bat 5 times in the same night.
The humans, I think, knew they were doomed. Where another race would surrender to despair, the humans fought back with greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life, I have never seen anything like it; They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage. Their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships, they used guns, when they ran out guns they used knives and sticks and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years they never ran out of courage but in the end, they ran out of time. Doesn't sound like a slaughter to me.
Really loved this video, very well made. Brought tears to my eyes seeing the memorial tribute at the end, so many of the cast have gone beyond the rim.
At first I was just going to tribute Mira, as Delenn was a major player in this story. Then I stumbled upon how Michael O'Hare sadly passed and thought to add him. Then I realized how many others are unfortunately gone now and how it didn't feel right just to select a few, so in the end I added all of them regardless of whether or not their characters were on "In the Beginning".
Excellent video that I just loved to watch. The Minbari talked about the defeat of Black Star as the act of dishonor, cowardice. But the Minbari didn't fight a fair fight themselves. They merely slaughtered a weaker enemy that couldn't match their technological superiority. There is no honor in beating a much weaker opponent. However, the humanity learned an important lesson here, too. Don't be too cocky or it'll cost you.
Love me some Babylon 5! The first Season was a bit of a slog to get through but beginning with season 2, I was hooked. The effects may not be up to par compared to today but the characters, story and theme as well as all the happenings always bring me back to re-watch B5. Nice summary, Mac!
I wonder if Sheridan had been originally selected because he would override Jankowski if Jankowski proceeded to screw up. Unfortunately Sheridan bowed out and EarthForce had to select someone else.
@@kimnice Political connections? Jankowski was cleared of the Omega Incident, and perhaps they were hoping Sheridan would be high ranking enough to overrule Jankowski. But without Sheridan they only had the original ship Captain who didn't have enough confidence to overrule Jankowski, and things kinda went bad.
The fundamental flaw of the lore was that an advanced, old race would fail to see the probability of misunderstanding arising from 'weapons drawn' being a greeting.
Haha... look at our own glorious history. You'd be surprised at the misunderstandings and stupidity that led to war. Technology advance does not equate to social enlightenment. B5 addresses this with the Minbari social hierarchy being constantly at odds.
I'm a massive fan of Babylon 5. When so much information was released as pertinent episodes came out, it's nice to condense it into a lore video like this. I found your channel with your Homeworld lore. I hope with Homeworld 3 on the horizon that it can give you some new lore.
To those watching this and learning about this great show for the first time, I would point out that during the instance when the narrator makes a joke about “Gil Dukhat…I mean Dukhat” that Babylon 5 predated Star Trek Deep Space Nine, that J. Michael Strazynski actually pitched the show to paramount, who declined, and then promptly stole several ideas and made DS9. This intellectual theft is well documented. Imagine if George Lucas pitched Star Wars to a studio. They decline. Then make their own movie called “Nova Battles” about a young farm boy named Steve Airrunner, and his cocky mercenary friend Dan Lone, fighting against the evil Vader. Yeah, they just use the same name, Vader. It’s about that blatant.
The minbari were ONLY encountering the earth expedition fleet cause Delenn offered a Mission to Za´adum!??? wtf is that true? If yes, then she is INDEED without knowing responsible for the outbreak of the War almost like the narrow minded general lefcourt.... the captain who ordered to open fire was just a "victim" in this like Dukat(the good one, not the Gul lol) ps. amazing animations and pictures!
I liked that too. It's nice both the Humans and Minbari grew so close in their connection that both races transcended shortly after each other. (Humans first, then Minbari)
@@JH24821 ummm.... actually.... Humans in the ISA became very close friends with the Mnbari. Humans back at Earthdome remained xenophobic isolationists. Save for a few meta-national corporations which, by definition, couldn't be controlled by the EA.
@@jdlech I'm talking about what happened after the "Great Burn." I know there was a xenophobic faction that, a few centuries later, got into conflict with the pro-Alliance faction which resulted in a nuclear war.
I think the Earth-Minbari War shows that the Minbari are the most dangerous race in the galaxy. The Shadows may have been violent and dangerous too, but at least they had good intentions.
Star trek was a show with one episode after another. If you missed one - no problem, but the first sci fi show with an evolving story was Babylon 5. If you missed a show, there was a gap in information, what had happened in the last show.
Loved the video. It's nice to see B5 get some love. I wonder if you have ever thought about doing videos for the Battletech Universe? If not, look into it. It might peak your interest :)
I saw "Babylon 5" on UPN and doggedly tracked episodes, as it bounced around and found a fascinating and different world compared to "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine." So I followed both series; "B5" is/was a favorite with it's incredible story arc.
Thank you for reminding me of my favorite series. I can only hope that they will fail to make a remake and leave one of the last not horribly mangeled franchises with new versions for modern audience alone.
One thing I like, is that one bit of tech decided this war. The Stealth system. Had the humans been able to fight normally, they boneheads would have lost the war since the Warriors are actually quite bad at fighting when you get down to it, using tactics and strategies that have worked for centuries, and losing whenever they stop working for far longer than another race would before they change. This is not fan speculation, BTW, this is series creator saying it, and pointing out that, for all their tech advantages, the humans were far more adaptable, and changed tactics and tech all the time. Heck, as just one major example, none of the current races, some of which being space faring for a thousand years, can use First One tech without the assistance of an older race, even the Minbari need Vorlon help to make the White Stars. Meanwhile Clarks people figured out, cultured, and grew Shadow tech in enough quantities and stability that he had a full destroyer group decked out in the stuff near the end of the civil war, and it took a whole formation of White Stars to take them down. Really makes you wonder what we could have done had the Shadows been as likely to 'sponsor' races like the Vorlon do with the boneheads. Wouldn't that have been a kick in the teeth for everyone?
When the aliens beat you in every single battle (except one), they bypass mars to go straight for Earth, then surrender their entire fleet, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, you know something is wrong. Sinclair == Valen. Greatest sci-fi story arc ever!
Great video. Something occurs to me: The Vorlons said ‘the truth points to itself’. Delenn chooses Sinclair who becomes/is Valen. She’s a child of Valen. It’s a whole cycle
Babylon 5 stand out against other Sify due to its powerful dialogues & the way the actors carried it out. Almost all actors has their dialogues shine out. Take note Hollywood. Thats the importance of good screenwriters!
I never understood the targeting problems with the Minbari. Even if you couldn't lock sensors on them, they aren't visually invisible. You could visually guide weapons by remote or even a dragged wire. In a last ditch and desperate stand, you could equip extremely small and fast craft with nuclear weapons for suicide runs.
You wouldn't necessarily need space-Kamikazes. We've had guided missiles that lock in on radar jammers since before Desert Storm. It's no great stretch to imagine EarthForce trying to come up with antiship missiles and fire control systems that target the loudest source of Minbari sensor noise. That said, by definition that kind of targeting system has to wait until the Minbari ship lights up its sensors first before the Human ship even realizes there's a threat, which gives the Minbari a huge head start on lining up shots. Perhaps the best explanation is that Human ships weren't helpless, but having to overcome the huge range and sensor advantage meant they were at a steep disadvantage, and that's why the war lasted a full two years instead of Humanity being immediately curb-stomped in the first couple weeks.
Great video,I absolutely love B.5., in my humble opinion probably the best Sci fi show in its Space combat and ship designs... And the characters were brilliantly portrayed by a magnificent cast... G'ka and Londo Molari(Who was so much like my Grandfather lol) had some of the most unique combined storylines I've seen... Imagine what you could do with that storyline combined with modern film techniques and FX... It could be MINDBLOWING...😅
Wow Ive seen this story lot and lots of times but this on of the first times ive see a new way of seeing and hearing told this way very nice i think i will subscribe and keep y eye out for more :) GJ
Once you know the full history of B5 series you know the Minbari could never have won the war. Pesky old Time Travel shenanigans as if the Minbari "win the war" it would completely undo B4 going back in time to save the Minbari in the last Shadow War. Thus they would have lost the previous Shadow War and wouldn't be around to be a threat to Humanity. Thus time would have shifted to a universe with just Humans and the ruins of Minbari. Also the whole caste system with warrior caste so even if Minbari were still around it's unlikely they would have that tradition. Pesky old Time travel really screws things up.
I hope I'm not alone but I'm a big fan of Starfury design. I think it's the best starfighter design ever made on screen 🤓 I think they maneuver with RCS too which make it more realistic 🔥🔥🔥
Would really love to rewatch B5 sometime this year or the next, but alas, am currently on a DCAU binge, while I have plans to binge watch Disney's Gargoyles and the Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul/El Camino saga, so it may take a while to get started. And even then, I'd rather just focus on The Gathering pilot, Seasons 1-4, and In the Beginning. The rest, especially Season 5 (minus "Sleeping in Light", which should have been the Season 4 finale) feel like apocrypha to me, though I am curious as to how the recently released The Road Home movie is going. Is it good, fellow fans, or is it more apocryphal stuff?
I haven't seen it yet, but I did foolishly have the ending spoiled for me. Lets just say it sets up the coming (hopefully) reboot in a seemingly interesting way.
It is amazing that only decades after this devastating defeat, the people are re-establishing not only their army, but also their authority and influence among the other races!
I know this story well, because I am a huge fan of the Babylon 5 series and movies! Even though, I thought this was a great retelling of the movie it is based off of. Great job, Mac!
One thing. This was far from the Minbaris first contact with an alien race. While the Warriors view a show of strength as a sign of respect they should know many or maybe even most of the races they encounter would see it as an act of aggression and know to avoid things that could very likely lead to a misunderstanding during a first contact.
B5 was one of the best sci-fi shows in the 90's. One reason was you didn't have to be a sci-fi fan to enjoy it. If you are into Drama, mystery and intrigue then you would love this show.
"Don't make us engage you!" ~ random idiot Human Captain to Delenn "Why not?" Delenn responds with scorn. "Only one human Captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. YOU are in front of me. If you value your lives... BE somewhere else!" That is the legacy of the Earth-Minbari War.
Very well made! EA ships could kick their butts if it wasn't for the short range weapons, and no counter to Minbari stealth. The Nova class could rip a Sharlin to shreds if it could get close enough. Range was a major factor in this war.
It makes sense. Why risk the dangers of close combat when you can annihilate everything with long-range beam wepons? It's a lesson EA learned when they developed the Warlock Cruiser.
I can’t believe it has taken me this long to find your channel. I’ve binged most of your playlists the past couple of days and can’t wait to see what else you produce: you cover many of my favorite IPs from my middle school through college years (Wing Commander, Star Siege, Homeworld, and B5)! Thank you for your work and I will definitely support your channel on Patreon or whichever other preferred platform you have.
This is.. Wow... I love the CGI and the storytelling... Makes me want to watch my B5 series all over again... Hoping there are more videos like this... Brilliant brilliant storytelling...
I liked the retelling of the story; but there are at least one inaccuracies. A member of the warrior cast told Delenn we should capture and interrogate one of them to find out about the planetary defense.
In the Beginning is my favorite Babylon 5 movie. It's full of contrivances and minor plot holes to get all the familiar characters involved, and one does wonder why but the EA and Mimbari have no sensible first contact protocols (or indeed why the Mimbari never figured out the message the EA ships sent before firing), but the movie and plot have so much heart and it is such a fantastic backdrop for the series.
Beautiful video. But just one note--Koplann is the one who said "whether they fight or nor they know they will die anyway, so is this bravery or simple desperation?" Morann is the one who asked Delenn to cast the deciding vote to either pursue the Promotheus or to hold back (wherein Delenn, holding Dukhat's body, screamed "They deserve no mercy. Follow them to their bases and kill them all! All of them! No mercy!")
That was really good, thank you. I've been waiting for someone to reignite Babylon 5 in either a TV series or Movie. It's just too strong a story to be forgotten about, it needs to be rebooted asap.
Wow, this was excellent. While, I normally prefer my space science fiction TV shows to be "stand-alone" episodes each. Babylon 5, was an outstanding exception and ts multi-season story was told to perfection (smile...smile).
God I missed Babylon 5. Any person who values si-Fi loves this series. The fact that we didn't get 7 seasons is an actual travesty of reality. God bless all those who have gone into that deep dark black. Bring back Babylon .😊
The story of the first three Babylon's brought to mind "When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England." lol
I noticed that your In Memoriam was missing Tim Choate from his role as Zathras and Stephen Furst is there twice. There are multiple others who have passed but I think Zathras was pretty important charecter in probably the best two-parter episode, plus few more appearances.
Always hated the gun ports open as a sign of respect bullshit. No peoples in any society would think looking like you are preparing to fire was a good form of greeting. This particular story was very weak writing.
Add to that, the fact that the Minbari's sensor probes were so powerful, they disrupted the Earthforce ships' electrical and propulsion systems, preventing them from jumping away. A nervous EA captain probably thought the 'jig was up'.
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The humans, I think, knew they were doomed. Where another race would surrender to despair, the humans fought back with greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life, I have never seen anything like it; They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage. Their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships, they used guns, when they ran out guns they used knives and sticks and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years they never ran out of courage but in the end, they ran out of time. Londo Mollari
That was a great scene. Londo had many of the best ones in Babylon Five. My personal favorite was his final conversation with Mr. Morden.
Poor Londo.
....Everytime I heard this, I breakdown and cry
For me, I has become a beffitting Tribute to my Biafran Fathers who fought in the Nigeria/Biafran war 1967 - 1970......An epic twillight struggle.
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It's ironic, isn't it?...
I had every window in the palace blocked off because I was afraid, that if I came around the corner and saw this, unprepared,... that I would break down and cry
And yet, I spend all my time here, in this room, looking at it....
In my life I had four wives.... I cared for them all deeply.... But I loved Centauri Prime!
Loved every street, every tower, every inch of our world...
Everything I did, I did for her, now look what we have done to her...
But...there is hope, but it will be hard, it will be so very hard...
.......Well',...Where was I?
Yes,...The War!!!
Emperor Mollari, 2278 (Peter Jurasik)RIP
The quintessential moment of the entire Babylon-5 story....
Londo telling the story of the Earth-Minbari war....In the Begining
> "Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you!"
~ Londo Mollari
Ah, yes. The Minibar War.
I always found it funny how personally the Minbari took Sheridan destroying one of their ships. They mopped the floor with the humans everywhere else, but their one defeat deserved decades of anger against the guy who pulled it off? Did they forget it was a war?
That's the whole point. It was a failure on both sides, not just "humans being primitive savages". Minbari scanners messed with human ships - act of aggression, because it was basically jamming, even if unintentional(btw, Mindari never studied the possibility of their scanner affecting ships this way?). Open weapon ports - sign of aggression for every species in galaxy aside from Minbari. They didn't turn their weapon system on? How other side supposed to know this, especially if it is lees technically developed (and like 90% of other species are LESS developed than Minbari) and jammed by Minbari scanners. Minbari were arrogant and with superiority complex. This is why they acted the way they did. And, btw, why someone would send their most important vessel to check on unknown military ships?
@@madzaisathe Valen'tha wasn't checking out unknown ships, she was on a secret reconnaissance mission to Za'hadum to check out recent Shadow activity when the Earth force expedition was detected
Able. They were angry not because the Minibari War Cruisers suffered a defeat, but because they lost their greatest War Cruiser and Captain in what was a "trap" even though the Black Star was using trap tactics itself.
To be more precise Black Star had the best of the best and children of the council and influential Minbari. So losing Black Star was a lot more emotional. So entire future generation of the council got killed leaving.
The entire Minbari race is declining with a lower and lower birth rate.
Yea I always thought it was a little weird
Holy heck, a Babylon 5 video. Worth the wait!
Once again, a masterpiece. Those graphics on the ships and the zoom out to tactical is perfect
Thanks!
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(I stole the idea from Homeworld)
@@MacsLore oh I know. Your homeworld videos are something I wait for as much as a black pants legion documentaries. I’d love to see you do more battle space style videos if you ever get the inclination
Nice to see the Babylon 5 universe is get a much deserved renaissance.
This show is the Lord of the Rings of science fiction. It really has never had the critical recognition it should have.
I even remember some folks referring to this show as "Babble On Five." Compared to what was on at the time, it was light years ahead and still looks good to this former "Star Trekker."
@@Otokichi786 I just watched the new animated movie. 'The road home' I enjoyed it a lot.
But still Lucky that Star trek wasn't up or any fiction. Gave it the legs it need to do the full story line.
True !
@@shawncooper8131 apart from STNG & Doctor Who I don't think any other science fiction show at the time had got past 3 seasons.
Zathras approves of this video. And so does Zathras!
In case any of the B5 fans on this page were unaware of it. We just had a Brand New Animated B5 movie released on August 14th. A project led by JMS himself and including the voice talents of the surviving cast members plus a few voice actors. A 30th Anniversary Tribute. Called Babylon 5: The Road Home.
Wait what? Where can I find it?
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Amazon Prime, Apple TV, Google Play ... probably some other streaming service as well.
@@legogonkdroid1839 amazon prime
@@legogonkdroid1839please spend money on it it's the only way we get more
I want it on DVD. F streaming
B5 was one of the greatest epic science fiction programs ever. The storyline was basically a full 5 years long. Some episodes stood alone, but overall, everything fit togther. I don't think anyone could make another series like this one.
There were multiple story lines and there was at least a little something pushing a story line forward in every episode. Sometimes it was a 'blink and you'll miss it' moment. JMS had so much going that he actually dropped a few threads so he could keep everything moving.
"No greater sacrifice has ever been asked of a people, but I ask you now... To step forward one last time... One last battle... To hold the line against the night."
My favorite scene in my favorite show, ever.
I never saw Babylon 5 until i saw it was on Tubi, and started watching it 3 weeks ago. Last night I made it halfway through season 3. I'm really loving the series so far. I actually like it as much, if not more than Star Trek.
The show builds on itself beautifully. Love it how everything gets connected from s1 to the end
i agree it is in an episodic fomate as well and i much prefer that over star trek.i love star trek not the og star trek as much as the next generation though. the last star trek movie nemesis was awful the plot the really made no sense.they need to make one more movie at lest to end star trek the next generation movies.
Funny you should mention Star Trek. DS9 was its competition and to promote peace, they brought on Gene Roddenburys widow as the former Empress who prophesies that Londo and Vir will both be Emperor. Dont forget Chekov.... I mean Bester
@@Aenarion28 Oh he did such a good job as Bester!
I never knew that was Roddenberry’s widow. That’s pretty cool.
I am flabbergasted by how good this video is. Holy smokes. Everything. *applause*
As a long-time Babylon 5 fan, this is a story I'm very familiar with, but the production, the CGI, the narration in this video made it a pleasure to revisit once again. Fantastic job!
The Season 3 Episode "War without End Part 1 & II" explains why Sinclair is so special and how events might of played out otherwise.
To call it a "war" gives humanity too much credit. It was an unabashed slaughter with the Minbari wiping out everything in their path, losing no ships with the exception of the Blackstar, and only ending because the Minbari stayed their hand at the final moment
I came to a revelation a week or two ago playing Arkham Knight. The Minbari are Batman, and the EA were just a rando street-level thug that just wont stop taunting him despite having all his bones broken by the Bat 5 times in the same night.
I don't know, earth force put up an incredible fight, 30 months. Of war making the pay for victory.
The humans, I think, knew they were doomed. Where another race would surrender to despair, the humans fought back with greater strength. They made the Minbari fight for every inch of space. In my life, I have never seen anything like it; They would weep, they would pray, they would say goodbye to their loved ones, and then throw themselves without fear or hesitation at the very face of death itself, never surrendering. No one who saw them fighting against the inevitable could help but be moved to tears by their courage. Their stubborn nobility. When they ran out of ships, they used guns, when they ran out guns they used knives and sticks and bare hands. They were magnificent. I only hope that when it is my time, I may die with half as much dignity as I saw in their eyes in the end. They did this for two years they never ran out of courage but in the end, they ran out of time.
Doesn't sound like a slaughter to me.
@@michaelhutchins1844 emporer molari
@@michaelhutchins1844 It's still a slaughter, that the EA forces ran towards the butchers rather than away, doesn't mean it wasn't a slaughter
Hope there will be more babylon 5 videos, this was superb.
Really loved this video, very well made. Brought tears to my eyes seeing the memorial tribute at the end, so many of the cast have gone beyond the rim.
At first I was just going to tribute Mira, as Delenn was a major player in this story. Then I stumbled upon how Michael O'Hare sadly passed and thought to add him. Then I realized how many others are unfortunately gone now and how it didn't feel right just to select a few, so in the end I added all of them regardless of whether or not their characters were on "In the Beginning".
@@MacsLore I loved Stephen Furst, but I didn't know he passed away twice :(
I have always seen Babylon 5 as a sci-fi adaptation of Tolkien's works. And that just makes it amazing!
Excellent video that I just loved to watch. The Minbari talked about the defeat of Black Star as the act of dishonor, cowardice. But the Minbari didn't fight a fair fight themselves. They merely slaughtered a weaker enemy that couldn't match their technological superiority. There is no honor in beating a much weaker opponent. However, the humanity learned an important lesson here, too. Don't be too cocky or it'll cost you.
Love me some Babylon 5! The first Season was a bit of a slog to get through but beginning with season 2, I was hooked. The effects may not be up to par compared to today but the characters, story and theme as well as all the happenings always bring me back to re-watch B5. Nice summary, Mac!
First season could have had 2 episodes removed
“After the Omega Incident…” “The military tribunal cleared Jankowski of all charges.” Brilliant Human Resources guys.
I wonder if Sheridan had been originally selected because he would override Jankowski if Jankowski proceeded to screw up. Unfortunately Sheridan bowed out and EarthForce had to select someone else.
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Why Jankowski was chosen for that mission if they knew he was really bad choice for that exact mission?
@@kimnice Political connections? Jankowski was cleared of the Omega Incident, and perhaps they were hoping Sheridan would be high ranking enough to overrule Jankowski.
But without Sheridan they only had the original ship Captain who didn't have enough confidence to overrule Jankowski, and things kinda went bad.
Just listening to this retelling reminds me with the tears pricking at my eyes just how good a story this was!
20,000 Ships were at "the battle of the Line" but only 200 survived....We came this close to "Lights out".
The fundamental flaw of the lore was that an advanced, old race would fail to see the probability of misunderstanding arising from 'weapons drawn' being a greeting.
Haha... look at our own glorious history. You'd be surprised at the misunderstandings and stupidity that led to war. Technology advance does not equate to social enlightenment. B5 addresses this with the Minbari social hierarchy being constantly at odds.
Brings me back to my youth! What a story it was. Love to see you do the story up to and with the Shadow war. Masterpiece you did.
The memory and tribute brought tears to my eyes. And such a beautifully rendered video. Thank you and congratulations
I'm a massive fan of Babylon 5. When so much information was released as pertinent episodes came out, it's nice to condense it into a lore video like this. I found your channel with your Homeworld lore. I hope with Homeworld 3 on the horizon that it can give you some new lore.
To those watching this and learning about this great show for the first time, I would point out that during the instance when the narrator makes a joke about “Gil Dukhat…I mean Dukhat” that Babylon 5 predated Star Trek Deep Space Nine, that J. Michael Strazynski actually pitched the show to paramount, who declined, and then promptly stole several ideas and made DS9. This intellectual theft is well documented.
Imagine if George Lucas pitched Star Wars to a studio. They decline. Then make their own movie called “Nova Battles” about a young farm boy named Steve Airrunner, and his cocky mercenary friend Dan Lone, fighting against the evil Vader. Yeah, they just use the same name, Vader. It’s about that blatant.
The minbari were ONLY encountering the earth expedition fleet cause Delenn offered a Mission to Za´adum!??? wtf is that true? If yes, then she is INDEED without knowing responsible for the outbreak of the War almost like the narrow minded general lefcourt.... the captain who ordered to open fire was just a "victim" in this like Dukat(the good one, not the Gul lol)
ps. amazing animations and pictures!
Mate, found you through your Wing Commander vids, and then you make this B5 masterpiece. :) Well done.
I love this, I really hope you do more B5 videos, this is amazing.
Fantastic high quality content. You deserve more eyes on this!
Glad the Mimbari became not just allies, but close allies.
I liked that too. It's nice both the Humans and Minbari grew so close in their connection that both races transcended shortly after each other. (Humans first, then Minbari)
@@JH24821 ummm.... actually....
Humans in the ISA became very close friends with the Mnbari. Humans back at Earthdome remained xenophobic isolationists. Save for a few meta-national corporations which, by definition, couldn't be controlled by the EA.
@@jdlech I'm talking about what happened after the "Great Burn." I know there was a xenophobic faction that, a few centuries later, got into conflict with the pro-Alliance faction which resulted in a nuclear war.
excelent video again all the old memories that come back as i watched this video thx for making and uploading it.
"Very well Delenn, choose. But quickly, we are fast running out of candidates."
Wow. I didnt thin ppl would still put in so much effort for b5 content. I seriously love your efforts. Thank you
I think the Earth-Minbari War shows that the Minbari are the most dangerous race in the galaxy. The Shadows may have been violent and dangerous too, but at least they had good intentions.
Gul Dukat errr Dukhat... Had me rolling😂
Star trek was a show with one episode after another. If you missed one - no problem, but the first sci fi show with an evolving story was Babylon 5. If you missed a show, there was a gap in information, what had happened in the last show.
Finally someone made a joke about Dukat being the leader of the Minbari
The truth ALWAYS points to itself!
Nice 1 Mac!
Love the channel. Best efforts are seen. Great way to experience lore! Cinematic and Ken Burns-esque.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Loved the video. It's nice to see B5 get some love. I wonder if you have ever thought about doing videos for the Battletech Universe? If not, look into it. It might peak your interest :)
I saw "Babylon 5" on UPN and doggedly tracked episodes, as it bounced around and found a fascinating and different world compared to "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine." So I followed both series; "B5" is/was a favorite with it's incredible story arc.
Love the mention and picture of Gul Dukat lol
Same here. The whole B5/DS9 story still cracks me up.
I swear the writer must have been looking at his minibar while writing this and went 'mmmm what name can I give it."
Thank you for reminding me of my favorite series.
I can only hope that they will fail to make a remake and leave one of the last not horribly mangeled
franchises with new versions for modern audience alone.
One thing I like, is that one bit of tech decided this war. The Stealth system. Had the humans been able to fight normally, they boneheads would have lost the war since the Warriors are actually quite bad at fighting when you get down to it, using tactics and strategies that have worked for centuries, and losing whenever they stop working for far longer than another race would before they change.
This is not fan speculation, BTW, this is series creator saying it, and pointing out that, for all their tech advantages, the humans were far more adaptable, and changed tactics and tech all the time. Heck, as just one major example, none of the current races, some of which being space faring for a thousand years, can use First One tech without the assistance of an older race, even the Minbari need Vorlon help to make the White Stars.
Meanwhile Clarks people figured out, cultured, and grew Shadow tech in enough quantities and stability that he had a full destroyer group decked out in the stuff near the end of the civil war, and it took a whole formation of White Stars to take them down. Really makes you wonder what we could have done had the Shadows been as likely to 'sponsor' races like the Vorlon do with the boneheads. Wouldn't that have been a kick in the teeth for everyone?
Isnt that us now
50 years ago almost everyone was able to fix everything
Now we just throw it out
Yooo your quality is so good, loved the inserts of the characters. Hard to tell any B5 story without the great characters
I just dropped a link for this in the Babylon 5, FB group. Great doc! In the Beginning always gave me the most feelings of all the B5 movies.
When the aliens beat you in every single battle (except one), they bypass mars to go straight for Earth, then surrender their entire fleet, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, you know something is wrong.
Sinclair == Valen.
Greatest sci-fi story arc ever!
Great video. Something occurs to me:
The Vorlons said ‘the truth points to itself’. Delenn chooses Sinclair who becomes/is Valen. She’s a child of Valen. It’s a whole cycle
Babylon 5 stand out against other Sify due to its powerful dialogues & the way the actors carried it out. Almost all actors has their dialogues shine out.
Take note Hollywood. Thats the importance of good screenwriters!
I never understood the targeting problems with the Minbari. Even if you couldn't lock sensors on them, they aren't visually invisible. You could visually guide weapons by remote or even a dragged wire. In a last ditch and desperate stand, you could equip extremely small and fast craft with nuclear weapons for suicide runs.
You wouldn't necessarily need space-Kamikazes. We've had guided missiles that lock in on radar jammers since before Desert Storm. It's no great stretch to imagine EarthForce trying to come up with antiship missiles and fire control systems that target the loudest source of Minbari sensor noise.
That said, by definition that kind of targeting system has to wait until the Minbari ship lights up its sensors first before the Human ship even realizes there's a threat, which gives the Minbari a huge head start on lining up shots.
Perhaps the best explanation is that Human ships weren't helpless, but having to overcome the huge range and sensor advantage meant they were at a steep disadvantage, and that's why the war lasted a full two years instead of Humanity being immediately curb-stomped in the first couple weeks.
Gul Ducat ??? Wrong series! Lol! 😂
Great video,I absolutely love B.5., in my humble opinion probably the best Sci fi show in its Space combat and ship designs...
And the characters were brilliantly portrayed by a magnificent cast...
G'ka and Londo Molari(Who was so much like my Grandfather lol) had some of the most unique combined storylines I've seen...
Imagine what you could do with that storyline combined with modern film techniques and FX...
It could be MINDBLOWING...😅
Wow Ive seen this story lot and lots of times but this on of the first times ive see a new way of seeing and hearing told this way very nice i think i will subscribe and keep y eye out for more :) GJ
MINBAR SEEMS LIKE A NICE PLACE TO GO FOR A HOLIDAY & MORE APPEALING & FRIENDLIER THAN Z'HA'DUM ! ! !🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Once you know the full history of B5 series you know the Minbari could never have won the war. Pesky old Time Travel shenanigans as if the Minbari "win the war" it would completely undo B4 going back in time to save the Minbari in the last Shadow War. Thus they would have lost the previous Shadow War and wouldn't be around to be a threat to Humanity. Thus time would have shifted to a universe with just Humans and the ruins of Minbari.
Also the whole caste system with warrior caste so even if Minbari were still around it's unlikely they would have that tradition. Pesky old Time travel really screws things up.
I hope I'm not alone but I'm a big fan of Starfury design. I think it's the best starfighter design ever made on screen 🤓 I think they maneuver with RCS too which make it more realistic 🔥🔥🔥
great story line
Would really love to rewatch B5 sometime this year or the next, but alas, am currently on a DCAU binge, while I have plans to binge watch Disney's Gargoyles and the Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul/El Camino saga, so it may take a while to get started.
And even then, I'd rather just focus on The Gathering pilot, Seasons 1-4, and In the Beginning. The rest, especially Season 5 (minus "Sleeping in Light", which should have been the Season 4 finale) feel like apocrypha to me, though I am curious as to how the recently released The Road Home movie is going. Is it good, fellow fans, or is it more apocryphal stuff?
I haven't seen it yet, but I did foolishly have the ending spoiled for me. Lets just say it sets up the coming (hopefully) reboot in a seemingly interesting way.
@@MacsLore Yikes! Talk about leakages.
It is amazing that only decades after this devastating defeat, the people are re-establishing not only their army, but also their authority and influence among the other races!
I know this story well, because I am a huge fan of the Babylon 5 series and movies! Even though, I thought this was a great retelling of the movie it is based off of. Great job, Mac!
One thing. This was far from the Minbaris first contact with an alien race. While the Warriors view a show of strength as a sign of respect they should know many or maybe even most of the races they encounter would see it as an act of aggression and know to avoid things that could very likely lead to a misunderstanding during a first contact.
Yeah, but they also fell prey to arrogance themselves. So....
Well.maybe that is the plan
B5 was one of the best sci-fi shows in the 90's. One reason was you didn't have to be a sci-fi fan to enjoy it. If you are into Drama, mystery and intrigue then you would love this show.
"Don't make us engage you!" ~ random idiot Human Captain to Delenn
"Why not?" Delenn responds with scorn. "Only one human Captain has ever survived battle with a Minbari fleet. He is behind me. YOU are in front of me. If you value your lives... BE somewhere else!"
That is the legacy of the Earth-Minbari War.
Babylon 5 is the closest you'll get to 20th century shakespeare done sci-fi style
Very well made! EA ships could kick their butts if it wasn't for the short range weapons, and no counter to Minbari stealth. The Nova class could rip a Sharlin to shreds if it could get close enough. Range was a major factor in this war.
It makes sense. Why risk the dangers of close combat when you can annihilate everything with long-range beam wepons? It's a lesson EA learned when they developed the Warlock Cruiser.
And "Minbari stealth" is probably something they get from Vorlons...
This was so awesome. Finally I get the whole story🎉 thank you so much
I can’t believe it has taken me this long to find your channel. I’ve binged most of your playlists the past couple of days and can’t wait to see what else you produce: you cover many of my favorite IPs from my middle school through college years (Wing Commander, Star Siege, Homeworld, and B5)! Thank you for your work and I will definitely support your channel on Patreon or whichever other preferred platform you have.
This is.. Wow... I love the CGI and the storytelling... Makes me want to watch my B5 series all over again... Hoping there are more videos like this...
Brilliant brilliant storytelling...
Excellent summary. _In the Beginning_ was a fantastic special.
IT TOOK A LONG TIME BEFORE THE MINIBARI REALISED THAT THE HUMANS HAD MINBARI SOULS AND SO HAD TO STOP THE EARTH-MINIBARI WAR ! ! ! ? ? ?
It is criminal that more folks that are B5 fans, haven’t seems this! Love it! Great quality, graphics and voiceover.
I liked the retelling of the story; but there are at least one inaccuracies. A member of the warrior cast told Delenn we should capture and interrogate one of them to find out about the planetary defense.
Another banger very much worth the wait. Babylon 5 is one of my favourite series from my childhood so it's awesome seeing a video about it.
Was really a great show.
Also Stephen Furst passed away twice?
It was an oversight on my part that I unfortunately did not see until it was far too late to pull the video and do a reupload.
I am become a fan. I stand between the like button and the comment. Between the subscribe button and the bell.
In the Beginning is my favorite Babylon 5 movie. It's full of contrivances and minor plot holes to get all the familiar characters involved, and one does wonder why but the EA and Mimbari have no sensible first contact protocols (or indeed why the Mimbari never figured out the message the EA ships sent before firing), but the movie and plot have so much heart and it is such a fantastic backdrop for the series.
Beautiful video. But just one note--Koplann is the one who said "whether they fight or nor they know they will die anyway, so is this bravery or simple desperation?"
Morann is the one who asked Delenn to cast the deciding vote to either pursue the Promotheus or to hold back (wherein Delenn, holding Dukhat's body, screamed "They deserve no mercy. Follow them to their bases and kill them all! All of them! No mercy!")
That was really good, thank you. I've been waiting for someone to reignite Babylon 5 in either a TV series or Movie. It's just too strong a story to be forgotten about, it needs to be rebooted asap.
Wow, this was excellent. While, I normally prefer my space science fiction TV shows to be "stand-alone" episodes each. Babylon 5, was an outstanding exception and ts multi-season story was told to perfection (smile...smile).
God I missed Babylon 5. Any person who values si-Fi loves this series. The fact that we didn't get 7 seasons is an actual travesty of reality. God bless all those who have gone into that deep dark black. Bring back Babylon .😊
The real story one of the gunners from Prometheus screwed up and the fired on the Minbari without the captains order.
Actually he did open fire under orders by the captain. So he did not screwed up.
I assume you're referring to the episode with Michael York as the guilt ridden former crew member who fired the first shot.
Awesome video...please keep up the good work :)
Which mod did you use to make the visuals? Homeworld 2 remastered + a babylon mod? Would love to play that.
makes you wonder if the Earth Minbari war was a plot by the Shadows so they would win later on
Why was Stephen Furst ( Vir Cotto ) named twice on the In Tribute part of the video?
It was an oversight on my part that I sadly did not catch until well after the video was uploaded.
@@MacsLorevir always was an overachiever. RIP Stephen
Just makes me want to watch the series again. Seeing how I own the DVDs, there's no reason not to do so.
The story of the first three Babylon's brought to mind "When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England." lol
I noticed that your In Memoriam was missing Tim Choate from his role as Zathras and Stephen Furst is there twice. There are multiple others who have passed but I think Zathras was pretty important charecter in probably the best two-parter episode, plus few more appearances.
You are correct.
Mate just found this channel, great content, sensational work on these videos. Thank you all your hard work.
Always hated the gun ports open as a sign of respect bullshit. No peoples in any society would think looking like you are preparing to fire was a good form of greeting. This particular story was very weak writing.
Add to that, the fact that the Minbari's sensor probes were so powerful, they disrupted the Earthforce ships' electrical and propulsion systems, preventing them from jumping away. A nervous EA captain probably thought the 'jig was up'.
This is the best telling of the war other than the show itself that I've ever heard. Great job!!!
To say how superior the Minbari were in technology, the fact the war lasted two years says a lot for Earth. And the Black Star deserved it's fate.
I always have a like put aside waiting to be used for great B5 content, thank you so much!