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- There are three things any flat earther could do that show beyond a shadow of a doubt the world is a sphere and space is real. But the vast majority won't because facts would break the cult.
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Even if someone can't afford a weather balloon, wouldn't it be worth the flat earthers' time to crowdfund together, buy one, buy a camera, and launch them to prove the earth is flat? Why don't the flat earth content creators team up to do this as opposed to making videos where they simply talk about the flat earth?
You've hit the nail on the head. Out of some 1500 replies to this and the previous video, not a single flat earther was willing to conduct an experiment. Not even one. All they did was repeat slogans, cite pseudoscience and say experiments can't prove anything. They cannot and will not do experiments because flat earth is a cult. Cults are invested in denial. They do not test their beliefs.
how to you explain balloon footage from 120000 feet with no curve?no curve from the Chinese space station either. This is full of lies!No curveature can be seen from any height
@@kfm908 What footage? And what do you mean Chinese Space Station? So the flat earth is real and your evidence comes from the space industry? How does that logic work?
@@kfm908 This is just a lie.
@@kfm908 You CAN SEE the curvature from 120,000 feet.
AND we have been measuring earth rotation using fiber-optic gyros for well over 30 years.
Modern aircraft test the onboard fiber-optic gyros DAILY by measuring earth rotation as part of the pre-flight tests.
Now GO BACK and finish high school.
Here's an even cheaper way and doesn't involve travel:
1. Buy a drone, easily had for $50 or less.
2. Watch the Sun set, or in the case of an Flerfer, disappear.
3. Fly the drone 400' straight up.
4. Watch the Sun set again.
The earth is a globe, but this would work on both models
@@derekholm3112 This would not work on their model, bcs in their model the sun will always be above the ground plane thus always being visible, regardless of observer's height.
@@ImNotNormie Further elaboration, please.
@@derekholm3112 The FE model the Sun would have to get smaller until it disappeared from sight. An elevated drone view wouldn't change that.
@@ImNotNormie You mean "flerfspective", the magical version that lets things go below eye level, disappear bottom first, and not change size when moving away or toward you?
Flat earthers say "Do your own research", and are not even willing to go to Antarctica.
Why? All i have to do is look at how ridiculous the Tesla in space looks
@@24joehouse DUbay is a coward and didn't even go to Antartica.
He ran away as he knew the sun would be there for 24 hours. Your cult leaders are lying to you.
@@24joehouse What should a Tesla in space look like?
Flerfs consider "doing your own research" to be watching idiots like Dubay and Oakley and blindly accepting any drivel they put out.
😅 Exactly @@24joehouse
1 Thing that ends flat earth
EDUCATION
Something people are getting LESS AND LESS of these days..... 😞
@@stuartgray5877 Sad but true and even worse they do not seem to care.
Even that would not help them. They actively avoid any information that contradicts their worldview
A proper education would end a lot of nonsensical beliefs.
But in their eyes education = brainwashing.
One thing I’ve learned talking to Flat Earthers and Space is Fakers is that even if you took one up to the ISS, they would still claim it was all fake. No matter how much evidence you give them, talking with them is futile. I’ve moved on and now just enjoy learning as much as I can about Space and Astronomy.
It's hilarious how they will either deny the ISS exists, or claim that it is a giant balloon, but then when it's pointed out that you can see it with the naked eye, and that plenty of astrophotography hobbyists have taken pictures of it, they have no answer to why you can't see the balloon.
Flerferism is just "nuh-uh" all the way down.
If you took a flat earther to the ISS (which you would have to drag them to kicking and screaming because most would refuse to go in the first place...) you *might* be able to convince that specific flat earther. However the rest of their cult would immediately reject anything that one said, call them a "shill", etc. You would have to personally take every single one to the ISS...
You've moved on.....but you're here lol. Just teasing 😊
They are using a 'green screen', they showed it in the huston headquarters, with old president bush in a wheel chair video. Also confirmed by them using 'special effects' to make one of them 'dematerialize', like on star trek, in the 90s.
@@MATTINCALI Really? How much of an expert are you on using green screen and chroma keying technologies?
Since you are an expert on these things, explain the videos shot with moving cameras that aren't locked down.
By the way, your claims of the ISS interior footage being shot on a green screen has been thoroughly debunked by Dave McKeegan.
Thanks.
One of the most insane things I've heard from a flatearther is that "telescopes are all pre-programmed by nasa".
NASA comes out to my house every other week to program mine. It only cost fifty cents which I think is very reasonable.
Including telescopes people make for themselves?
@@JohnSmith-ux3tt Yeah! Even the one built by Galileo. It had advanced computing chips and HD displays. Oh and an infinite battery.
If one was worried about that, one could build one's own. There are plenty of kits out there. Most of them are aimed at kids, but that should work fine for flatties.
If The Final Experiment has revealed anything about the Flat Earth Community, it's that they are not invested in exploration or science. They are interested in building their entire personality out of a belief that is completely absurd as a way to signal their disbelief in literally anything that might bruise their ego.
Flerferism isn't an issue with people being uneducated or ignorant, it's a public humiliation fetish that blossoms out of having a massive case of narcissistic personality disorder.
Saw an announcement a few years ago for a flat earth convention, which stated, People from all over the GLOBE are coming. Really.
Was it for the Flat Earth Society? That's a tongue-in-cheek organization. They been trolling since the 70s. 😎
All over the globe, really?
🤣🤣🤣!!!
@@chrisbenson6683 Since '70-ties?? First flerfs started showing up after hollow Earth somehow lost its traction around 2012. the same people regrouped and started the FE cult.
That is the dumbest, oldest, laziest joke ever, I’m sure people love seeing you show up.
Came for the flerf rant, stayed for the astrophotography
The flat earthers just back from TFE to see the 24h Sun in Antarctica still won't admit the Earth isn't flat - although Jeran admitted he was wrong about the 24h Sun on live video he also said it could be that their 'model' requires further work! And of course the armchair keyboard warriors throw out the usual nonsenical explanations such as greenscreen CGI, 2 suns, reflection off the dome ... sigh.
Here's the thing, though. TFE has now set the bare minimum of what is acceptable for doing flerfer vs. reality testing. If the flerfers can't put together tests and experiments that are at least as competently executed as TFE was, then they don't have a leg to stand on. All they have left is to just outright deny everything with no evidence to back up anything they say. It's all just "Trust me bro, the Earth is flat."
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if most are just grifting now for revenue and don't actually believe what they are preaching. Kind of like televangelists.
Reflections of the dome is interesting because it would be easy to show when something is reflected (it would be mirrored - which nothing in the sky seems to be).
Still waiting for any real evidence or even a flat model that can describe day and night + seasons. 😂
@@lobban2 Check out Dave McKeagan's solar imagery from TFE....he shows the sunspot configuration from his location in Antarctica and compared with those from others around the worlds during that same time frame....you can see the sun spots appear shifted depending on where on the globe they were imaged from, just like the face of the moon shifts orientation depending on your position...yet none are a mirror reflection as would be the case for a "Dome" reflection claim.
@@TornadoCAN99 It's interesting how they're rotated, depending on where they were taken, but not reflected, which is a bullet in the head of the claim that all they saw was a reflection of the sun off of the "dome."
An EQ mount is a flat earth killer, but I have never met a flat earther who understands how and why they work, much less how they confirm a heliocentric globe. There is an easy and cheap test for flat earthers. Precisely at sunset, launch a drone straight up several hundred feet. The camera will sshow the edge of the sun above the horizon. Then return the drone to the ground and watch it disappear. The differences in the timings of the appearances will match the rotatiion rate.
Agreed. None of them have a clue how it works.
@@QBranchSpace you can't seem to see that the globe earth doesn't hold any water. Water requires containment and it is level, hence the phrase see level. If it was curving, we would call it sea curve. If the earth was curved we would call it ground curve but it's call ground level. Airplanes fly in the air over the plane if we flew around a curve, they'd be call aircurves. The absolute nonsense that you have to believe is insane. 44 government documents (NASA, Military and aeronomics ) all stating a flat, non-rotating earth. Government agencies all use the FE map as their logos, the globe can be found in Hollywood productions. NASA is the faking space division of Disney ❤🙏🇨🇦🍒
Flat Earthers don't even understand the concept of focusing a telescope, good luck showing them astrophotography
They can't even focus their own eyes.
Nikon cameras allow us to see ships over 60 miles out at sea. 8 inches of curvature per mile squared is not only wrong, it's a lie. We're on a level plane of existence.
Have a nice day 😊
@@CameronGraves-ly2ih ships disappear from the bottom up. Do you also believe everyone has their own private sky of stars?
@@CameronGraves-ly2ihim curious. Please answer.
- why do ships disappear bottom first? If it's refraction how does it refract such that it disappears bottom first?
- why do we see clouds and sky at the horizon?
@Necris986 humidity & atmospheric conditions. Nikon P1000 cameras cut through that :)
Eric dubay was offered a free trip to Antarctica along a few other well known flat earthers. They refused to go. The excuses that are being made to debunk what 2 well known flat earthers saw and showed...a 24 hr sun...is hilarious and very telling...by the very people who refused to go themselves, FOR FREE!
The reason they refused to go--especially Eric Dubay and David Weiss and Nathan Oakley--is because they know the Earth is not flat and are lying to a vulnerable and gullible audience to make money, and that is the only reason. If they went, it would be much harder for them to continue perpetuating the lie they are using to make a living. It's much better and easier for them to make up stupid s*** after they got back--as especially Eric has--so that people will still watch their inane videos, etc.
Which proved for anyone NOT hopelessly stupid that they 1) are consciously lying and 2) are unwilling to stop grifting off of gullible people. The FE true believers are just sad, but the leadership are disgusting predators.
I have an acquaintance who is an amateur astro photographer. He's showed me hundreds of amazing pictures of stellar objects that he took himself. I asked him what he thought about flat earthers and space deniers, and he told me "I don't think about them." 😂
😂
Looking at the sky can't prove what the ground is.
@@JamesHawkeTH-cam "Looking at the sky can't prove what the ground is."
Repeating nonsense does not make it true. Ignoring evidence does not make it go away.
Even small childs can understand these two facts. Why do you flerfers have such a hard time understanding this simple stuff?
@@JamesHawkeTH-cam Yes it can dude.
Did you ask him about extended exposure settings and digital enhancing software that made his pics bedazzle a dupe like you?
We’ve known that Earth is roughly spherical for literally thousands of years
Humans have known the Earth is spherical since about the time Romulus and Remus were arguing over whether to name their newly founded village "Rome" or "Reme."
Really?
@@laszlomarton4919 Yup.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee *How long have humans known that the energy of the dead returns to its source, the Sun?*
@@truthtrekker Huh?
In all seriousness, good video, though I doubt flat earthers (or trolls pretending to be them) will watch anything past the first 2 seconds.
I agree. I doubt even 1% will do any of these tests. It's more important to protect the belief. Hence why I refer to them as cultists.
Most simply CHOOSE to believe, they cherry pick information out of context to back their false belief system and ignore actual facts staring them straight in the face. This is proof it is its own religion
@@SKYST0RY I think Jeran is the only one who has taken a picture of the ISS.
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@@Green_Tea_Coffee Interesting as Jeran himself says when he disproves flat earth.
@@freddan6fly I kind of feel bad for Jeran. I think he's smart enough that he's figured out that flat Earth is wrong, but he knows that if he changes that position, he's going to just completely obliterate his entire business and social network.
Flat Earthers say: 'The earth measures flat.' Until you measure it!! Which, of course, they refuse to do using measuring tools and devices which can "actually" do such measuring. They continue to use human eyes, which fail to detect simple optical illusions; and abuse physics and math to distort 'facts' to match their 'realm.' They won't trust an astrophysicist, but bend to every word of a yoga instructor; who, I remind you, is great at 'contortion' !!
They did measure it. They had 2 boards with holes and a laser and proved curvature.
They also bought a gyroscope and proved 15 degrees per hour drift.
@@gymhayes4613 And after their experiments showed the Earth to be spherical, both of the people who conducted those experiments came up with handwave-y excuses to justify their results as possible on a flat Earth.
Another person who reveiwed these results, said that yes, they did measure it... but that if the Earth was a globe they would have measured more disparity (a difference is height of the two holes greater than what they measured). They were wrong about it, but you can see how ironic it is when they see the curve, and say "oh, yes, but your model says it should be more or less than what you showed." Which essentially means they are admitting to a curve, and therefore a globe, only this globe should be bigger or smaller than the one we show in the real model. They just don't realize it.
No constant arc of a radius exists in reality.
@@JamesHawkeTH-cam Geodetic surveys take into account the Earth's curvature, and those records go back hundreds of years.
Talking to a flat earther is like talking to a wall
More sense from the wall.
You aren't going to use rational thinking to talk someone out of a belief they arrived at through feelings.
Some walls have a story to tell , flefers have nothing!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee no point, feelings don't replace what is obvious.
@Piperitum I'm glad my walls can't speak, I've been married and divorced twice, for some reason 🤣
To be a flat earther, you must firmly believe that NASA spends billions just to hide the fact that Earth is actually a pancake
Not just NASA, but every space agency, approximately 70 of them in total. Plus everyone who works in the aerospace industry. Plus anyone who works in any field having to do with satellite communications, imagery, data gathering, all pilots that fly anything bigger than a biplane, all ship captains, anyone in the logistics industry, every ham radio operator, and on and on and on.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee And me I'm in on it as well, because I help build flight simulators to train those pilots, aviation engineer here
@@flightsimdev That sounds like an awesome and fun job!
There are no flerfers in cockpits or in satellite operations centers.
All they have to do is club together and let one of them go for a ride on Blue Origin or Virgin Galactic!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee there are no flerfers that even understand highschool algebra and trigonometry.
Your take on flat earthers is bang on. They won't do tests or experiments that might weaken their belief/grift. The Final Experiment proved you right. Great video!
They won't even EVALUATE EVIDENCE that proves THEM WRONG.
We have done tests and experiments fool. Cope harder...
@@Elkysium Holding your thumb up to the sun and saying it doesn't LOOK REALLY BIG is not an "experiment" genius.
Tell us ALL ABOUT Bob Knodel's experiment with the fiber-optic gyro genius.
Or Jeranism's measurement of earth's flatness with a laser and the boards with holes in them following the canal.
TELL US ALL ABOUT IT.
@@Elkysium Now YOU explain the FACT that we:
Measure earth rotation and curvature tens of thousands of times a day worldwide using fiber-optic gyros.
EXPLAIN IT, STOP RUNNING AWAY FROM EVIDENCE.
@@stuartgray5877 Show me a working model of a spinning ball with water sticking to it instead of being thrown from it unless physically attached as REAL physics dictates...
Show me one single factual photo of the surface of the water showing a spherical reflection because it is conforming to a sphere...
Been waiting almost 14 years for a globling to show me proof and all have failed...
Flat Earthers: do UR own research. use UR own senses!
FE: I'll take you to Antarctica to do UR own research and use UR own senses!
Flat Earthers: no. I want to stay at home and then say it was fake!
Also flat earthers “I’m sick, what medicine should I take please doctor?”
What's "FE"?
*The earth is a spinning ball and a virgin had a baby. Does that about sum it up?*
@@truthtrekker
The earth is an oblate spheroid rotating on its axis once every 24 hours and parthenogenesis does not occur in Mammalia.
@@MisterHowzat Final Experiment
Can't remember the name of the dude who paid for the expedition.
Flat earthers think that research means digging through the internet until you find something that seems at first glance to confirm what they want to believe (if you squint and tilt your head) and ignoring everything else.
Show me water that bends on its surface while at rest.
@@anthonywright5693 The flippant answer would be a dewdrop. But the real answer is the ocean. The higher up you go, the easier it is to see the curve.
Just think about gravity pulling all objects on earth towards the center of the globe earth. Why wouldn't the oceans of the world form into a sphere around it.
@@Mark73 You cannot see a curve at high altitude.
@@liftingtheveil8361 Yes you can. I've been in airplanes many times and I've seen the curve.
It's wild... flat earth debunkers watch every flat earther video and easily dismantle them. Yet flat earthers refuse to watch any video that debunks them and stay locked in echo chambers. Its almost like they are afraid of any challenge because they know how insanely fragile their beliefs are
Yeah, they’re literally not even that smart. Sure, they know some science but once you really start getting into the real stuff is when they throw in the sponge.
Flerfers don't stay locked in their echo chambers. They come out to make comments on videos debunking flerf theory, but never actually bother to watch the videos they're commenting on or even address the topic of the video, except with offhand dismissals of "it's fake" and "nuh-uh."
@@Green_Tea_Coffee a couple of weeks ago, I actually showed a Christian flat earther an expirment demonstrating the curvature of the earth. The best he could say was "wrong". I’m not even making this up. Lmao
You can debunk flat earth with art class logic, mainly for the people that say the moon isn't a physical object or that it's a transparent 2D projection.
High School art class logic alone debunks that once you look at it through a telescope.
The ignorance here is wild!
Two super cheap ways to prove a globe Earth:
Num. 1: Find yourself a couple of international friends in your same hemisphere, one in a timezone 8 hours ahead of you, one in a timezone 8 hours behind you. Schedule a video call outside right around your sunrise and ask your friends to show you their skies and where the Sun is where they are. Spring and Autumn are good times to do this.
Num. 2: Find yourself an international friend in your same timezone but in the opposite hemisphere, ideally as far away from your as possible. Schedule a video call outside around your sunset and ask your friend to show you their sky and where the Sun is where they are. Best times to do this is Summer and Winter.
Show me the surface of water at rest,
You will never find a curve
@@anthonywright5693over the horizon at sea, it's all curve. Please learn about perspective; thanks!
@ - You will never find an understanding of entry level physics or math.
and how does that prove a globe?
@@MiserereMei If you knew about perspective you would know that the horizon is your line of sight which increases or decreases with height, it's not a curve.
For the cost of a plane ticket, anyone can also show the earth is a globe by observing what constellations can be seen at a northern hemisphere location, particularly the constellations along the southern horizon. Then fly as far south as you can afford and scan the night sky along the southern hemisphere and observe all the constellations that were blocked by the earth farther north. (Or if you are initially in the southern hemisphere, do the same thing, reversing north and south). This is one of the reasons the ancient Greek philosophers believed the earth a sphere (it just took them longer to get from Greece to Egypt to observe stars in both places).
Fly between Sydney to Santiago. This flight is impossible on the flat earth model.
@coyotezee *For the cost of a plane ticket can we get up in the sky and see gods golden castle with all the angels and saints and the people waiting at heavens gate to see if they get in to the party?*
If you want to save the price of a plane ticket, just ask some of the 850 million people who live there what they see in the sky after the Sun sets. (Hint: a lot of stuff we never see in the Northern Hemisphere & a lot of stuff we see but they cannot). Then ask yourself why 850 million people are lying to you?
Just show me the surface of water that is curved when water is at rest it's always flat
@@anthonywright5693 easy, just put water in a glass. You’ll see it curve up slightly around the edges. Or carefully fill the glass all the way to the top and it will curve up in the middle. Place a drop of water on a bench top, it will curve up and be higher than the bench. Get a ball and wet it, now the thin film of water curves all around the ball. Would you like any more examples.😉
When you point a Nikon P900 at the sky, all you see are blurry dots. That's absolute proof that space is not real.
😂😂😂
And other nonsense Flerfers say.
or is it proof that FLERF's can't focus their camera of choice?
*Why doesn't NASA tell us that Corona of the Sun is fueled by the energy of the dead instead of playing stupid like they don't know why the Corona is the hottest layer of the Sun, even though it is furthest away from the core? Or would I have to ask someone who doesn't believe that a virgin had a baby?*
regarding the weather balloon, wouldn't it not just be curvature they would see, but if the earth was flat, shouldn't they see a lot more of the pizza?
Absolutely... The spherical shape of the Earth is the only reason the horizon line even exists.
Not only should they be able to see more of it, the landmasses that they image would match the Gleason Projection. They'd also be able to find and image the edge of the world.
They just claim that "you can only see so far" but can't actually define how far that is.
@dustenthewind865 *By flat earth debunkers you mean people who believe that a virgin had a baby, correct?*
@@monsterguyx This is the simplest and most obvious proof, but when I point that out, they either ignore it completely or will reply something stupid like, "horizon comes from horizontal".
Unfortunately, The Final Experiment didn’t do much to change their minds. To some, it did indeed disprove the Gleeson map, while most of the others whine about “green screen,” and “CGI.” It shouldn’t even be a debate, and idk why globers waste their time.
The dumb thing is, the Gleeson map has always been obviously wrong, so it didn't take this to disprove it.
The distances on the Gleeson map are all messed up. Australia is twice as wide as North America (it isn't) and the ratio of the circumference at the equator to the distance from the North Pole to the equator is 6.3 and not 4, like it is in real life. So the Gleeson map is clearly not an actual map of the earth, and you don't need to observe a 24 hour sun at the South Pole do know that. If you were honest, of course (I did actually see a flerfer not too long ago come out and say that, the Gleeson map cannot be right, but he didn't actually have something that worked)
@flowingafterglow629, Oh, I’ve seen CoolHardLogic’s whole series “Testing Flattards.” It is funny they’ve been using that map to try and prove their “ice wall” theory. I enjoyed the TFE videos and if you haven’t watched them, I recommend you do.
But it does remove their ability to use the Antarctic treaty incorrectly and the back biting and infighting in their ranks is comedy gold.
Those who turned down the opportunity have been shown for what they are. Especially with their panicked ad hoc excuses/claims.
I hear will Duffy has heard from folks who were flerfs or on the fringes and they are getting their heads straight. So it’s not all bad.
@@Lutefisk_FettucciniCHL. The maestro!
They are still in panic mode from it. There is a lot of internal fighting happening. The the verdict of it is still open. But yeah, they think everything is conspiracy with the most weirdest spins and nothing would convince those people. If they would be in space they would claim their eyes were replaced by NASA.
Yesterday I added a comment to this video. This morning the algorithm has steered 2 flat earth videos into my feed. If I was silly enough to click on one I think we know what will happen by tomorrow...
I was able to get several to leave their flat earth beliefs behind by getting them to image things for themselves.
For the ones who say it is too expensive, I generally show my image of the Horsehead and Flame nebula I took with a $30 scope and $150 camera on a $1K mount. Then show them videos on how to make a barndoor eq mount for $40.
If all you are looking for it s to confirm that what others see is really there, you don’t need to spend a fortune to get high end imagery.
Good work.
You have had better success than I have. I have never met a flat earther who understands how and why an EQ mount works, much less how they confirm a heliocentric globe.
Never ever happened. That’s a lie and we all know it. Once you see reality - you don’t go back to make believe. There are no ex-flat earthers.
Their precious p1000 costs about that much.
Being ‘really there’ has never been a debate. Not a single flat earther thinks the known objects in the sky are not in the sky. We can all see them, telescopes are easily accessible. We deny the cartoon images we are given. Your imagination has taken over reality. Cartoons aren’t real, idk why you people think they are. What you see is not what we are given at all.
You cannot use facts and logic to change the mind of someone who did not use facts and logic to reach their position.
I always thought the simplest but rarely used test is to apply a solar filter (starts at $5) and take pictures of the sun throughout the day. Check its size from sunrise to sunset. Have friends do this across the world. If it's all because of perspective, the sun should grow and diminish in size. (Spoiler: It doesn't.)
That would require flerfers to do two things: spend money on a filter and camera, and go outside.
They're not about to do either of those things.
Then the statement is "lights in the sky dont prove the shape of the ground". They are even working on some sort of "personal sun" that happens to rise and set depending on where you are but only according to you, and happens to also be correlated with what people next to you are seeing.
I have no idea how this even begins to make anything like sense to them.
I think you can do it with a wooden stick, a piece of foil with a pin hole in it, and something you can draw on to be placed at the end of the stick. Draw a circle around the projected image of the sun. Take this setup outside when the sun is shining and see if the projected image is ever a different size. The size should change minimally during the year since the earth's orbit isn't perfectly circular, but the distance to the sun varies minimally, 147.1 million km to 152.1 million km. This is a very large distance, but the difference between the closest and furthest distance isn't a great proportion of the total distance. This is pretty close to a direct observation, and the geometry of what is happening should be clear to non-crayon using individuals.
The sun would also appear to speed up as it nears AND slow down after it passes. Like you say, spoiler, it doesn't!!!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee They did drop $18K on some motion detector thing. Lo and behold it showed a 15 degree per hour drift in rotation, LMFAO.
STILL didn't change their mind.
These are child minded people that defend their limited understanding of reality, due to their inability to comprehend the magnitude and scale of our actual existence, scale of the universe and possible fact that nothing beyond the physical exist.
You are spot on with all of this, but I'll tell you, those are some phenomenal astro images! Beautiful work. Looking forward to watching your other astrophotography-related videos. I have been interested it in a for a long time but don't live in a place where it would be easy to do, so just enjoy the work of others. Subscribed!
*Lets see some photos of gods golden castle in the clouds. The system requires we believe that bullshit too.*
@@truthtrekker Flat earth surely requires a gos. Spherical earth doesnt.
But, but... Calling my "conspiracy" a "conspiracy"... IS a "conspiracy"! 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, for me, a flat earth is the biggest nonsense I've ever heard in my life.
U r well trained.. Having nations of sheep that consider believing their eyes and senses insane is a dream... If we live on a ultra fast waterball that would be obvious just like its obvious we live on a flat and stationary plane..
👍 +1
@valentinibori9514
i can walk and jump in a plane or train without getting smashed against the rear wall while 200 kmh
Thats not by chance.
@@shremich4583 You might as well be trying to explain relativity to a vegetable.
The photo that you shared is spectacular 1:22
Edited to correct the time link
The three test that break flat earth are: an IQ test, an elementary school math test, and and a junior high school physics test.
Success on those means you will never be a flat earther. Simple as pie.
To be fair... I would probably fail a Jr. High school physics test. But I also believe the earth is a ball... So nothing lost there. ;)
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Such as the physics of water? The second law of Thermodynamics? The inverse square law of light?
To believe in a spinning ball earth you must deny these natural laws and have to claim that water bends, you can have gas pressure without containment and we can see millions of buzz lightyears away🤣😂🤣
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@TrueEarthCherryPopper water does bend around the earth's center of gravity. Earth's gravity also contains the gas which is most dense at the ground and dissapates as you get further and further from earth's center of gravity.
This mechanic is perfectly modelled and predicted on the globe model.
Try again.
@TrueEarthCherryPopper the nature of air REQUIRES that gravity is the container. If there was a dome (physical barrier) containing the air, then the air pressure would be constant and would not be denser closer to the ground. The fact that air pressure decreases with altitude confirms that gravity is the container not some magical glass sphere.
Flerfs, remember not to launch your weather balloon into a flight path... Assuming that you believe that aeroplanes and weather balloons can actually fly, even though they're heavier than air.
Thanks from New Zealand! The Cosmos is truly amazing. I have flown internationally, but I never bothered looking out the window because I've always known we live on a globe.
One can see the curvature of the earth from a mountain top overlooking the sea.
For both of these experiments, take four photos on a digital camera, rotating the camera 90 degrees each time.
That is, portrait, rotate 90 degrees, landscape, rotate 90 degrees, upside down portrait, rotate 90 degrees, upside down landscape.
That way you eliminate the possibility of the observed curvature being a result of lens distortion.
Go to the top of the mountain overlooking the ocean. Take four photographs of the horizon, one in each orientation as described above.
Then compress each image horizontally, so the horizon appears narrow.
The curve will be obvious in all four photos.
To see it without compression, photograph the horizon between two rigid horizontal straight bars a small distance apart, one above the other.
The curve will be obvious in all four photos without compression.
Making sure you have a flat rigid bar horizontally that does not sag in the middle can be tricky, which is why horizontal compression is much easier.
It’s part of their identity. Some are genuinely confused, but many just want to be a flat earther and you will never change their mind. You could fly them up to the ISS and show them the Earth and they would say you drugged them and implanted false memories.
Great photos!!
Love this, thank you and your photos are amazing and fascinating!
New subscriber. Your photography is simply amazing, breathtaking!
EQ6R-PRO is a phenomenal mount. I have a Zenithstar 73 on mine. I am considering a second hand 6SE.
One sunset, and the flat earth theory is trashed. One look at the moon and the theory is trashed. No need.for expensive equipment. Just plain good old common sense is all that is needed.
Thats the problem, lack of common sence. People who fall into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole probable need psychyatric care. It's sad. I blame a lot these social media companies who just let people spread lies. When a weak person hears a lie enough times, they begin to believe it. Meta, Alphabet, TikTok, X just care how many clicks they get, and you get a lot with controvercial topics.
Common sense? The sun goes beyond your line of sight in the evening as it circles above earth, aka sunset.
The shape of the earth has nothing to do with Flat Earth, it's a lot deeper than that but at a minimum it's the fact that they can't visualize basic concepts in the same way that most of us can.
The words you're using to describe the equipment is really far more than they can comprehend, you may as well be speaking a mix of English, German, Russian and Spanish all at the same time, to them it's just an unintelligible language. That's the root cause, the rest comes from being shunned from family, society and even the workplace.
The cult is being a part of something bigger than themselves and it becomes their identity, they're not about to give that up. They'd rather be isolated as a group than to be isolated alone.
Nice photography!
Yeah, I imagine most flerfers are the types of people who get drunk and belligerent at Thanksgiving!
@@Green_Tea_Coffee
Sounds about right!
Not understanding basic things causes anger, unfortunately.
I think you suffer from the Dunning Kruger effect, the earth is not a ridiculous spinning ball in outer space.
This can easily be determined by studying the physics of the sun.
For flatearthers it's more like: "Any post-kindergarten scientific knowledge is indistinguishable from magic."
I was told at a sales seminar in the 1970's that...."If you are right, you have no reason to argue...if you are wrong then you have no right to argue". QED. MM.
now if only someone could convince those that are wrong that they are wrong, so that they won't argue.
No, no, the earth is flat, I can just lie on the ground and feel my back ache.
Why do we care if some idiots claim the earth is flat? All this attention and debunking is feeding the stupidity.
Just ignore them.
I agree, why argue with them?
Oh I know why
It's because the Earth is a stationary level plane that cannot be moved it does not rotate read the Bible
@ thanks for proving my point.
Taking pictures of the sky does not prove the shape of the earth or that it's moving.
But launching spacecraft out to deep space then having them turn and take photos of earth is "proof" that the earth is a rotating sphere.
@@stuartgray5877 Are you joking? That's not scientific evidence, but it's funny they don't have millions of such pictures by now.
@@torontobiblestudy - "but it's funny they don't have millions of such pictures by now."
We DO take MILLIONS of photos of earth a day from earth orbit.
You can see LIVE 4K video from multiple geo sats.
@@torontobiblestudy - "that's not scientific evidence,"
The images of earth taken by the EPOXI mission is 100% "Scientific Evidence" as it was gathered by a Scientific Instrument on an approved science mission and the data was Peer Reviewed by real scientists.
@@stuartgray5877 Those are pictures of parts of the earth, which do not prove the shape of the earth. How many pictures exist of the whole "globe"? A handful at most. Despite the fact NASA supposedly sends spacecraft to other planets to take pictures of them, they can't run the camera around and take a few hundred shots of earth. Funny that. Enjoy your kool-aid.
Well stated! But there are much simpler means to determine that Earth is spherical (but a somewhat messy one): Celestial navigation with a sextant demonstrably works, and a spherical (!) coordinate system is used for hundreds of years by now. For this to have worked and still work, Earth has to be spherical itself (and celestial objects have to be very far away). No expense whatsoever needed, but some middle school geometry …
CN not only proves that the earth is a spheroid, it also proves that it is a spheroid of a specific size: one whose surface curves at the rate of 1 degree every 60 nautical miles.
_"there are much simpler means to determine that Earth is spherical"_
here is an easy one that is related to celestial navigation. the distance to the ground position below any celestial object is 90 degrees minus the elevation angle times 60 nautical miles.
this can only be true if 60 nautical miles is equal to 1 degree of the earth's circumference.
@@johnqpublic7608 Simplest to use Polaris, since the angle from the horizontal directly determines the latitude of your position, and this can only work with a spherical earth and a (really) far away object for everyone north of the equator. Everything beyond that is already to complicated for many people. There are so many ways to determine the shape of Earth - as long one wants to actually understand how our world works …
@@johnqpublic7608 Indeed. The joke is that Oakley and his followers have been banging-on about celestial navigation as being a "flat earth proof" (because can't measure an elevation angle from a curved surface, allegedly) when all the while CN is a proof of the globe, who would have thought it!
IMO, the simplest way to determine the sphericity of the Earth is the Geography, specially the distances in the Southern Hemisphere. And if you want a more "technical" piece of evidence, the counter-rotation of both celestial poles is completely irrefutable.
I can just hear the clowns " Not listening Na Na Na Na, pushing my head deeper in the sand !!!! "
I like how Flerfs think their handheld camera should be able to show just as much detail on Mars or Jupiter as a $10K telescope with a $10K mount.
Actually, you can get pretty good detail out of a $600 8" Dob, but they are massive and obviously gather more light(detail) than a handheld camera.
But it does make you wonder WHY they think people DO drop well into the 5 figures for the telescope, mount and imaging equipment to get stunning pictures of planets and deeps sky objects like Galaxies and Nebula, if all you need is a handheld camera to image outer space, LMAO.
Here's another simple test -
A quick problem for the FE'ers to explain for me -
You prove the Earth is a sphere every time you ride a bike or drive a car. It's a little thing that I worked out a few years back and it's really obvious when pointed out ->
On a spherical Earth if you travel 100 km straight in any direction in your car/bike you will have gone 100 km over the surface.
On a FE, that is only valid if you are travelling directly north/south, or east/west only on the equator. The reason is the gross distortion of the map as you get further away from the equator. For example if you drove 100 km on your odometer directly east when at 45° north of the equator, then you will have travelled just over 141 km on the surface. If you did the same thing in the same car/bike but 45° south of the equator, then you would have travelled only about 71 km, not 100.
Like (literally) everything else, nothing works at all on a FE.
Nothing.
Huh???
@@laszlomarton4919 It's a very simple example of why the Earth is a sphere and not flat.
@TheBillzilla *All that and a virgin had a baby, right buddy boy?*
@@truthtrekker I have no idea what you're talking about.
If my question is wrong, point out the error.
If you travel 100km, you travel 100km what's that got to do with a globe?
For those who buy into vast conspiracies on a global scale, this little quip might give food for thought:
A secret can be held by three people if two are dead.
I've seen the horizon curvature from 39,000'. And with a simple straightedge verified the considerable horizon dip as revealed by simultaneously sighting through opposite cabin windows.
Short of buying any astro gear, one could see if an astronomy club is holding a public outreach event. Directly seeing even a few celestial sights through a telescope can be revelatory for those who've never done so before.
I've thought about encouraging flerfs to attend meetings of their local astronomy clubs, but I don't want to inflict flerfers on serious hobbyists who just want to enjoy the night sky.
I always tell them to take a class on celestial navigation, then ask the instructor how it would work if the Earth was Flat.
Your claims of observing curve through plane windows has been disproven by observations on the runway showing curve from those windows creating the optical effect.
@@Semper_Fish To be sure, jetliner cabin windows are hardly of optical quality. And they can and do induce small scale distortions. But on the scale of many tens of degrees of field angle they will not induce a smoothly varying deformation that would render a straight line curved to such a uniformly varying degree. I have taken scores of flights in a variety of aircraft, viewing and photographing through cabin windows. There is a considerable variation in quality, and I can recognize a better specimen. Which is why I can state with confidence that I wasn't misled by any distortions, particularly of such large scale. Why? Because in order to do so the window would be required to exhibit the cross section of a lens, smoothly varying in thickness to be either thicker or thinner in the middle. Such windows do not possess even close to enough of such global thickness variation to induce such distortion, which moreover would cause the focus of the external world to be altered. But a camera set to known infinity focus will reliably obtain good focus on distant scenery (disregarding some potential, localized aberration/defocus due to small scale irregularities.)
And before you point out that the windows are curved as flush portions conformal to the cylindrical fuselage, be aware that this will not cause the kind of distortion you might wish to invoke. As long as the material of the window is of reasonably uniform thickness, the optical power of such a gently curved, plane parallel window is utterly negligible. That dog won't hunt here.
I'll mention that I have worked as a professional optician, fabricating precision lenses and mirrors for industry and astronomy. (The single biggest piece was a 1 meter diameter mirror for laser sounding the atmosphere, which weighed about 250kg.) I do have a thorough understanding of optical aberrations and distortion. I'm well past being an armchair commentator where optics is concerned. 😉
@glennledrew8347 *Speaking of death why doesn't NASA just admit that the Corona of the Sun is fueled by the energy of the dead? They look stupid pretending they don't know why the Corona is the hottest layer of the Sun even though it is furthest from the core. Anybody tells me that a virgin had a baby I automatically know that the exact opposite of whatever they say is the truth. Simple.*
the final experiment already destroyed it, actaully sky story pointed out how one of them was a FE who was in fact called a shill by his cult members by actaully going. i know who he is talking about and the guy is not happy about it (the flerf) i think he is slowly going to turn into a normal person hopevully
We hear their chorus, "do your own research". Yet, somehow, they never do.
Flerfs: "Do your own research"
TFE...........
Flerfs: "No! No! No! Not like that"
@bulwinkle *Did you take your Xmas tree down yet, Mr Scientist?*
Great, great photos! Thank you Sky Story.
*Where's the photos of gods castle in the clouds with all the angels and saints? No photos of heavens gate. Oh my bad, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics proves all of the dead are inside of the Sun.*
@02:26 To me it doesn't look like horse's head, but like the head/neck of an angry turtle emerging from some waters, looking at the camera (two nostril holes in the center)
He’s not wrong 💁♂️
FE:
I believe I am having a meal. I am looking at pictures of it.
Me:
I know I am having a meal. I am looking at my plate.
Great video - well done!
*No pictures of Jesus?*
Imagine how much money you'd make as a flat Earther if you went to Antarctica to show the earth to be flat. You'd be a God and could charge money for the evidence and story.
I keep asking them to send up a weather balloon to take pictures of the flat Earth, or to get photos of the edge/underside of the flat Earth that aren't CGI, but they just get mad at me.
Thank you. That’s EXACTLY what I’ve been trying to convey to my only sibling! Just not quite so calmly😊
Beautiful pictures.
Venus is always reasonably close to the sun and it's phases and size differences coencide completely with a planet orbiting the sun (inside our orbit). 😂 Space is real and ANYONE can see this by watching Venus a few months spart with a small telescope (FOCUSED). 🎉
Strange how all the flat earth "models" don't include Venus or Mercury, since they can be observed transiting in front of the sun, so surely they must be inside the "dome" with us somewhere?
@@MrEjwheelerDoesn't "explain" Venus phases. 😂
All they need is cheap zooming camera and a trip to a tall building near an ocean or large lake.
View the moon as it sets over the western horizon, as soon as it disappears, try to zoom it back in with your zoomy camera, you can't. Then quickly ride the elevator to the top floor and look again. There it is, setting again. There is only one way this can happen. The ocean must be curving down and away from you, and the moon must be very very far away. out in space. Both of these discoveries can be independently confirmed by other tests. Your own eyes are telling you that you live on a globe. All you need is some basic knowledge to prove it to yourself. The flat earth model has no evidence at all.
Or just use a drone.
Great job! I'm glad I found your channel so I can learn how to photography those deep sky objects.
*Can't see gods castle in the clouds or any angels flying around with harps, which the system heartily endorses as well.*
Astrophotography: Clearly it is easier to believe that space is a giant hologram than it is to beleive that the Earth is round.
Nice thumbnail, couldn't find a real photo of the entire earth huh?
Why is it that there are no images of the edge/underside of the supposedly flat Earth that aren't super fake CGI?
I have a good one; the full Earth taken from Apollo 17 on the way to the moon. You'll reject it though, won't you?
@@fairwinds610 wow, you mean some people still think humans landed on the moon? Lol
Still no photos of the dome huh?
@@kvasir8931 no photos of the entire earth period. rockets don't work past earth's atmosphere. thus why space agencies haven't gone past low earth orbit since the moon landings. oh and the moon landings never actually happened.
You mean globe cult 😂. Unfortunately for you, the amount of globers is going down and it will hit critical mass in a decade or so. Witsit vapesit and others can't stop it.
Ridiculous.
BAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA! Bless your heart. The population of the world is increasing, therefore the number of “globers,” i.e. normal people, is increasing. If you seriously think there is, or *ever* will be, any parallel of the world’s population to a few uneducated crackpots on the fringes of the internet, you need serious help. 🤣
You fell for the nonsense because conspiratorial thinking releases endorphins in the brain making the believer feel good. You are an addict. Your drug of choice is dopamine.
Flatbrains sometimes remind me of the People´s front of Judea:
REG: "Right. Now, uh, item four: attainment of world supremacy within the next five years. Uh, Francis, you've been doing some work on this."
FRANCIS: "Yeah. Thank you, Reg. Well, quite frankly, siblings, I think five years is optimistic, unless we can smash the Roman empire within the next twelve months."
So, good luck for hitting the "critical mass" in a decade...
Stats for this: non existent
"Have the courage to face reality. Test your beliefs"... Never truer words spoken.
Ask a flat earther if they use the GPS function on their mobile device for navigation.
Truth IS: MOST (not all) mobile devices us the cell towers for triangulation.
The drive to make cellphones TINY has (mostly) eliminated GPS from cellphones because of the size of the antenna required.
Garmin's and other dedicated GPS receivers DO use "real GPS" and work EVERYWHERE ON THE PLANET, and we even use them for orbital position in modern satellites.
@@stuartgray5877 Truth is, you are completely wrong. MOST mobile devices use real GPS, and work anywhere whether you have cell service or not. "Triangulation" based on towers was used very early on, but the accuracy is pretty awful, bordering on useless. Stop repeating that nonsense.
@ what would I know?
I am just an EE who builds spacecraft that use GPS. I have a GPS constellation simulator at work and can spoof any device that uses GPS.
Search for article: “Do Cell Phones Have GPS Receivers (Fact Checked!)”
Then remove foot from mouth
@ so it has shifted from MOST phones do not contain gps receivers to now SOME cellphones still do not use GPS. The latest versions use software defined radio for all of it So my statement was far from “nonsense”
@@stuartgray5877
_"Truth IS: MOST (not all) mobile devices us the cell towers for triangulation.
The drive to make cellphones TINY has (mostly) eliminated GPS from cellphones because of the size of the antenna required."_
that's false. we tried to use triangulation for location in the early days of E911, but it was a total failure. all modern cell phones use GPS chipsets. GPS chipsets are so tiny these days, that they are literally in everything, including my watch.
btw, i worked for more than a decade in the advanced technology development group of one of the major cellular carriers doing testing on LTE base stations and handsets.
Makes me chuckle how they get upset and wonder why nobody takes them serious.
@davehoward22 *And a virgin had a baby, right pal?*
WHY do people continue to argue with stupid individuals who deny that the round Earth has been proven time and time again?! It's a moot point.
Wow, what a great image of the Flaming Star. I've always used a smaller scope to get the full "7" shape into the image field, but have never been that impressed with it. Now you've inspired me to go after it with my TEC 160FL, to really get into that detail you've shown.
Nice work with the processing as well.
*Can you see Jesus up there with that thing? We are supposed to believe that too, right?*
Here's another experiment:
Same Latitude. Same day of the Year. High Noon. Different Longitudes. Measure the shadow.
Go to particular latitude on a particular day in the year. (You could coordinate it with others, or you can plan the travel yourself over the course of a year or two.)
At different longitudes along that Latitude line, and at High Noon for the latitude, measure the shadow cast by a uniformly shaped object, like a ruler, and compare the differences. You can, instead, also incorporate math on objects whose height you can measure and work out the angle.
If they are longer the further north and south of the equator you go, then Earth is a globe. (Historical note: this is how scientists and philosophers before them figured out the Earth is a globe hundreds and even thousands of years before space flight.)
I liked the notion of gnomes or wizards or whatever going up in a weather balloon to paint outer space stuff onto the sky.
Hey! That as been my argument since 2016:
"You don't understand the sky."
*has
Just quickly, how do you get the bright areas between the star points in those photos? I always thought the cloud effect was done by making invisible wavelengths of electromagnetism visible. But, it really is all in the visible spectrum?
That is an interesting question. I thought the same.
Clouds are not "effect" but they are actually clouds of a gas.
And principe is the same, no matter if we talk about visible (to a naked eye) or invisible part of electromagnetic spectrum (after all, when you record in IR, or UV range, this will make it visible to a naked eye).
Measuring the angle of the sun’s shadows from 2 or more locations on the solstice will be a good test of the flat earth. If the earth is flat and the sun is close, the angles will all make a right triangle and point to the same place in the sky. If the earth is round and the sun is far away, then the angles will all make parallel lines when the curve of the earth is introduced. The result of this experiment is that earth cannot be flat because the angles from a curved surface cannot point to the same spot in the sky if the sun is close and local as they claim.
3:40 Very true.
Honest people shape their theories based on facts.
Flerfers change the facts to fit the theory.
Was interesting to hear all the simple ways to see space.
From 2:54 min.: Moving from north to south, on the right you can see The Netherlands with the IJsselmeer Lake and the river delta of Zeeland. Right of center, the glittering sunlight in the rivers Rhine and Meuse. The Alps to the left!
Oh no. You told them how every "regular" person fakes their space photos.
FlatDirt is unfortunate to say the least. Good video I enjoyed it.
Anything that threatens their cult is immediately fake and any attempt to actually do this would be considered heresy.
Galileo had this problem with the elders of the local Catholic Church. He wanted to show them the four largest moons of Jupiter with his telescope, but they refused to even look because the very act of putting eye to eye-piece would be an admission of a lack of faith. The policy of the time was that nothing could exist in the sky that couldn't be seen with the naked eye; every visible object in the sky was intended to benefit mankind.
You “know” the earth is flat 😋..I think you had the violins just right in this one and the script is perfect 😂.. ,you almost convinced me 🤪
A path of totality lunar eclipse proves the earth is a ball... So simple, even a caveman can observe that.🎉
It’s true. I have never for a moment been a space denier but recently I looked at Jupiter thru a not very powerful telescope and was completely blown away to realise that the 3 tiny white dots nearby were moons. ‘Far out’ I said out loud ‘it’s all real!’
Never had a doubt in my life but still, looking with your own eyes it hits very differently. Looked at Saturn too and was just able to make out the rings. Amazing.
🌖🪐🌏
One thing I have said, one problem with the flerfs and their reality denial is that they miss out on such cool stuff. Like your case of the first time realizing you are seeing the moons of Jupiter - I've been in that situation, too, and it was so cool! Instead of being amazed, the reality denier is just going to blow it off as faked? Oh you are missing so much!
Same here. I bought a modest-sized telescope and pointed it at Saturn. When I adjusted the focus and saw the rings my heart leaped. The universe is an incredible, beautiful awe-inspiring place. To sit in your armchair sniping at others and calling 'fake' is such a waste of a life.
@@flowingafterglow629 everyone can see the objects in the sky and we all see the same exact thing. Your imagination is the only reason you thing they are far away places.
When I went to Australia many years ago, I got to see the Southern Cross...it looks so close you could almost touch it.
Too bad Flat Earthlings are missing out on these amazing things.
@@ShanePaul-h9p "everyone can see the objects in the sky and we all see the same exact thing."
Not true. When I was in Australia the moon appeared to be 'upside-down'. I'm pretty sure I wasn't doing a handstand. If I had my telescope, I'd bet the planets would appear to be in a different orientation as well.
It is in vain to say to flerfers 'They can do this!' They have problems reading a simple ruler, so this goes way beyond their understanding. Beautifull photo's by the way.
I am a very active astrophotographer and also have met a few otherwise normal sensible people who have gone down this rabbit hole. Not dumb or malicious, simply attracted to conspiracies and not very interested in testing them. Unfortunately once you have that predilection social media will keep on feeding you similar content. About 12 months a go I clicked on a few sites that referenced 'little green men. The first was about the famous astrophysicist Jocelyn Bell and her discovery of pulsars and her joke where she referred to their signature radio signature as little green men. The second was another astrophotographer who was making jokes at the expense of the conspiracy theorists. The various social media feeds had increased the UFO related content in my feeds to nearly 50 percent within a week and it was mostly garbage. I can easily see why the various conspiracy theorists can have their views affirmed.
Perhaps we need to rethink our attitudes to flows of information that don't come with accountability.
We all have personal accountability.
@@tysondog-original agree it works both ways..
Go to the Southern Hemisphere and either do a time lapse of the Southern Star Trails or watch the Southern Cross circle the SCP just like the Big Dipper circles the NCP. 😂
I Love your fotos!! I try to create these in 3D/CGI. I wasn't aware you can do it yourself! are the color real? or do you add and edit them?
I figured it out they try to make the person so mad that they will stop debating them and then they will say see look they refuse to debate me and use that as a fact in why they are right.
I had no idea there was a "space is fake" cult. I only once heard a flat-earther say that space was fake, and I thought he was the only person alive who actually made such a claim.
Lots of them think this. They also don't believe in gravity...
There's a lot of overlap between flerfers, moon landing deniers, and space-is-faker-ers.
@@Green_Tea_Coffee and anti-vax, and "chemtrails", and 9-11 twoofers, and any other moronic "theory" someone comes up with
@@briansomething5987 Don't forget Young Earth Creationists, Tartaria Empire/Mudflood aficionados and Lizard People!
@@robadams1645 I wonder, do they say this because there's some pseudoscientific way they can make everything work without gravity and space? Or is it more that they're just challenging themselves to see how much absolute bull spit they can make up before people stop taking them seriously?
Well, that's just silly. We can't captures those images from Mommy's basement.
Good presentation. Even The Beatles knew the world is a globe. "Because the world is round it blows my mind!" Guess that blew the flat earthers minds!😅
Don't sell yourself short. Your photos are spectacular. And while anyone can do it, getting photos like you are showing does take considerable skill and experience. It is getting easier though with these smart scopes like the Dwarf. And those run around $500.
But the problem is that even if youspell everything out slowly, flerfs will still not get it. If you can believe "dee erf flat and space fake", you cannot grasp basic geometry and math, and therefore any attempt at education is futile.
FE like to use Nikon P1000. Use it with a sun filter to photograf Sun throug the day. It doesn't change it's size (at least in easily mesurable way) because it's not 6000 miles above, but far, far away, and the change of 8000 miles of Earth's diameter doesn't change it's size much.
The other way - paralactic mount - wouldn't work on flat Earth the way it works.
The sun circles around you, it does not come towards and away from you.
Fair Play Sky Story, you quite eloquently have clearly pointed out the how-to for those with a major misunderstanding of reality to check for themselves, but like you mentioned. It means their entire beliefs system to the nature of their limited/basic understanding of the world they live in wouldn't fit to the narrative they perceive to be fact...
I'm with you Sky Story, I've been into astronomy and astrophotography for many years. Had countless run ins with FEs etc,,, just think of them as as I do, people who only just understand how to use a crayon, with the IQ to match...
P. S some nice images, really liked the horsehead nebula 💯👍