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Toriyama 0was an absolute legend but i hope the new team can give Vegeta more proper wins from now on because that man straight up refused to give Vegeta his due wins lmao.
UE getting stronger everytime he's hit is just a benefit of UE. Thats not the sole purpose of UE. Vegeta barely has a understanding of the power. Give the man time
I was kinda disappointed that in the epilogue of the Super Hero arc, Goku used UI but Vegeta didn’t use UE at all and hadn’t used it since Black Frieza gut checked him and Goku
My only Problem with Ultra Ego they could at least give him that Durability Feat like MUI Now it feels like Ultra Ego is just a Plot Device for Vegeta to get Clapped early for Goku to take centre stage Whats the point of getting energy from damage when you can still feel it Thats how Granola took advantage of him
Also you talk like vegeta going ultra ego hasn't gave him a mega boost in power anyways... I'd say it's a bonus that he gets stronger while fighting, fights last awhile anyways. Never hear people complaining about broly.. Because he's similar getting stronger as he fights
My pitch for Ultra Gogeta is that he constantly switches between Ego and Instinct, using Ultra Instinct to dodge as much as he can, but switching to Ego the moment he is hit.
@@sentientmustache8360 I feel that makes more sense than the forms merging like how most people depict. They are both techniques and can coexist separately
Yhink about this, ultra instinct gets less effective as you take damage, less accurate as you burn stamina, but if taking damage enhances ultra ego, then we have a situation where combining the 2 means every time you hit the user, the user gets harder to hit, and hits harder. He's almost untouchable, but every time you do manage to hit him, he only becomes even more powerful, even harder to touch. The 2 forms adjust for the weaknesses of each other. Ultra ego falls part if Vegeta takes too much damage, but the power increases incentivize taking damage. Instinct falls apart as damage causes it to lose accuracy. Here, the user doesn't lose efficiency by taking damage, but continues to automatically avoid damage. Meaning the user will only take as much damage as is needed in order to win. You'll only be taking damage until you become so powerful, and so fast, that your enemy can't hurt you anymore. Its perfect.
I think the most tangible way for an ultra fusion to work would be to apply both qualities together, so being able to fight in complete UI and not taking any damage but also getting stronger when he does get hit. Basically the most overpowered fusion imaginable lol.
i really loved the Ultra Ego transformation. Also Vegeta actually growing stronger mid fight was quite visible. As he went from bullying Granolah and then gets beat when he unlocks his 2nd eye. Then Gas comes who pummels that stronger Granolah and Vegeta who is weaker than Gas was able to get some significant hits on Gas to the point for scaring the fuck outta Gas. On the other hand, whatever the reason may be it emotions or anything MUI Goku was the same as he was at the starting of their battle with Granolah.
As long as the new form is called Ultra Saiyan I have no complaints, lol. But that would be super crazy UI and UE together seems almost impossible to write a reasonable threat to oppose it.
Correct me if im wrong, but true ultra instinct was never actually a thing. From what i remember last time i read it, Goku powers down to his Omen form as he himself says its easier to use his emotions like this (in his omen form) when MUI requires perfect calmness instead. So he is using the Omen form, not some "True ultra instinct"
That whole “True Ultra Instinct” thing was ridiculous because during that fight Goku was overpowering Gas in Omen, something he couldn’t do in Silver hair UI yet in the Super Hero Epilogue, Beerus said the silver hair was still his strongest form, and going back a bit further, Goku in Omen was struggling against Moro even before he merged with 73, I think Toyotaro was just throwing out random shit during the fight with Gas just to stall to come up with a proper way to end the arc because even when silver hair UI was introduced in the ToP, Whis called it “True Ultra Instinct” 😂
@lucidmind9676 due to the events taking place in the granola arc goku was struggling to actually calm himself and clear his mind so his Mui form was not working as intended and was not functioning at full power. So, since he could not suppress his emotions during the battle he decided to use ultra instinct omen instead which does not require the same amount of calmness and clarity to function at full power. By dropping Mui for omen he could let his emotions benefit him which he can't do in mui. So, during that particular circumstance omen proved more effective but is still weaker than mui when he is able to utilize it at full capacity.
The way for UI and UE to work together seems rather obvious. UI as the main for of attack and defense and in the rare case you get speeblitzzed and and your body can't phisically move fast enough to dodge you get damaged and due to UE now have more speed and power. Basically if an attack isn't fast and powerfull enough to oneshot the new form it'll just create a new UI with much higher base stats.
The only way it can work is if the Fusion switches forms back and forth, like in the manga Vegeta would switch instantly back and forth between SSG and SSBlue
How would it work writing wise for mui to get it's own "true" state? Mui's whole thing was emotions must be turned off to use. There can't be a work around, and I feel like angels are perfect examples as they're always neutral to things and that's why they always have the form active
ifeel like vegeta should have got goku ui skin hardening pause buff in addition to damage conversion. it makes more sense to buff vegetas defense in that mode. why would superreflexes need extra defense ? he has to increase his durability or else hell never win fights without getting beat up first
UI + UE = Basically one feeding up the other, it's perhaps one of the most broken concepts ever to be theorized in dragonball besides DBZ Broly's power level having no hard cap and growing steadily in the moment (in lore). Gogeta/Vegito with both forms would become a thing of NIGHTMARES. And I am ALL for it.
If Ultra Instinct without emotions weakened Goku's potential power with the transformation, what if Ultra Ego without emotion *UNLOCKS* Vegeta's True Potential with UE?
Vegeta has a lot of potential for the future, I honestly can't wait to see what they do with him next, his character has only gotten better, I loved what they did with him in the Moro Arc. 🔥
It's wild to me how people gas UE up so much when Vegeta couldn't even soundly beat Granolah with it. Struggled immensely to Gas. And got one shot in it by Black Ice Frieza. It's an underwhelming form that basically makes Vegeta a bigger Yamcha than Yamcha himself. And yet SS4 was able to win the majority of its fight and this fandom still sees SS4 as insignificant and useless. It's crazy.
They give goku vegeta gohan and piccolo all those godly forms but toriyama and toyotaro removed ikari an LSsj form from broly they nerfed him massively it's like they hate the character
Not at all what happened so first off, the legendary super sayian is the first sayian to go super saiyan in a thousand years. Second of all it was just a color design that you call "the legendary super sayian" like vegeta while transforming it flashes green or when goku is transforming it turns white it's just a color design, third im pretty sure the ikari state was just rage because there trying to teach him to master his forms and stay calm and not go berserk
I find it funny how they keep writing themselves into a corner. All of super up until the tournament of power whis had been tryna to instill the concept of ui into goku and vegeta. Then during the granola arc he’s just like “forget what i said and be you”. What?! See ui was cool when there was just sign and then the mastered version but why did they feel the need to add more to it than that? Now the shits just all over the place and messy. All the while you got people like gohan who can not do shit for however long he wants, then gets angry and becomes the strongest in the whole show. No ui or god ki required🤷🏾♂️. Or consistent training for that matter. Now what whis was trying to teach them, about ui anyway feels like it was a waste of time
What About people who uses “Lullaby Punch”, “paralysis”, “Thunder shock surprise”, “turtle style last resort”, “solar flare”. Those are none attack moves preventing the opponent from attacking or are you going to use anime BS and some how Ultra Ego is resistant to being paralyze and falling asleep?
I think the point about true ultra instinct is that by completely denying his emotions, he was actively fighting his sayain instincts. How can he truly respond reflexively, without thinking, if he is always suppressing his extincts? What this true "blank, reflexive" fighting logically would change based on what is natural, thoughtless for each race.
This form is nothing but wasted potential just another Way for vegeta to lose i gave up on vegeta after the moro arc and lost hope after the granola arc now im just excited for piccolo i still like Vegeta but it's a waste of time to be excited for the next big L one character i never see Vegeta loseing to tho is Frieza so maybe he will get a win on black Frieza just hope its not like golden Frieza where he just gets the scraps of black Frieza
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He's a walking zenkai boost
Only had ONE ARC too!
Like the Hulk getting angrier, it makes them stronger
Broly but worse.
I’ll never forget hearing the term “ultra ego” and thinking “that’s a good joke” then realizing it’s an actual form ☠️
@CatAttack6471 for real i was thinking this cant be serious
For real i couldn't believe it myself the show is getting really ridiculous with the amount of transformations
Vegeta: what's the one percent?
Ghost of toriyama: everything in the current story.
Vegeta himself. He can't solo himself.
@@SaiyanScholar like when cell beat him. Vegeta on Vegeta pain
Well realistically there's like 5 characters even at ssj blue level. Which will already defeat 99 percent of the series.
Toriyama 0was an absolute legend but i hope the new team can give Vegeta more proper wins from now on because that man straight up refused to give Vegeta his due wins lmao.
he will get the next lvl of ultra ego then get his ass kicked by the antagonist just for goku to come and save the day like every time
Not trying to Dog on Toriyama, but I'm not entirely sure Toyotaro wants to rag on Vegeta as much as Toriyama did. lol
UE getting stronger everytime he's hit is just a benefit of UE. Thats not the sole purpose of UE. Vegeta barely has a understanding of the power. Give the man time
I was kinda disappointed that in the epilogue of the Super Hero arc, Goku used UI but Vegeta didn’t use UE at all and hadn’t used it since Black Frieza gut checked him and Goku
I can't wait for Vegeta to constantly pass out before he gets to do anything with Ultra Ego.
My only Problem with Ultra Ego they could at least give him that Durability Feat like MUI
Now it feels like Ultra Ego is just a Plot Device for Vegeta to get Clapped early for Goku to take centre stage
Whats the point of getting energy from damage when you can still feel it
Thats how Granola took advantage of him
It's the ultimate Saiyan battle style lol
Also you talk like vegeta going ultra ego hasn't gave him a mega boost in power anyways... I'd say it's a bonus that he gets stronger while fighting, fights last awhile anyways. Never hear people complaining about broly.. Because he's similar getting stronger as he fights
@@geegee2874 omg do vegetas always bring up goku when they dont like something?😂
I'm sorry if this question isn't good but is it stated that vegeta has to flat out take damage for the ego form to take hold?
@@R.A.M.10ultra ego gets stronger from taking damage is what vegeta said
7:40 finally someone gets it. Ultra Gogeta gets stronger every time he dodges an attack.
My pitch for Ultra Gogeta is that he constantly switches between Ego and Instinct, using Ultra Instinct to dodge as much as he can, but switching to Ego the moment he is hit.
Both your and first responders ideas are CRAZY,
@@sentientmustache8360 I feel that makes more sense than the forms merging like how most people depict. They are both techniques and can coexist separately
Ultra Ego should be called Ultra Pride when mastered, maximum geets energy
Ego and proud are often used to mean the same thing
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Yhink about this, ultra instinct gets less effective as you take damage, less accurate as you burn stamina, but if taking damage enhances ultra ego, then we have a situation where combining the 2 means every time you hit the user, the user gets harder to hit, and hits harder. He's almost untouchable, but every time you do manage to hit him, he only becomes even more powerful, even harder to touch. The 2 forms adjust for the weaknesses of each other. Ultra ego falls part if Vegeta takes too much damage, but the power increases incentivize taking damage. Instinct falls apart as damage causes it to lose accuracy. Here, the user doesn't lose efficiency by taking damage, but continues to automatically avoid damage. Meaning the user will only take as much damage as is needed in order to win. You'll only be taking damage until you become so powerful, and so fast, that your enemy can't hurt you anymore.
Its perfect.
I think the most tangible way for an ultra fusion to work would be to apply both qualities together, so being able to fight in complete UI and not taking any damage but also getting stronger when he does get hit. Basically the most overpowered fusion imaginable lol.
How Vegeta got this form? Bulma is very freaky in bed is the answer
LMAO
Toyotaro: hey Vegeta im the care taker if Dragon Ball now
Vegeta: am i gonna defeat a main villain?
i really loved the Ultra Ego transformation. Also Vegeta actually growing stronger mid fight was quite visible. As he went from bullying Granolah and then gets beat when he unlocks his 2nd eye. Then Gas comes who pummels that stronger Granolah and Vegeta who is weaker than Gas was able to get some significant hits on Gas to the point for scaring the fuck outta Gas. On the other hand, whatever the reason may be it emotions or anything MUI Goku was the same as he was at the starting of their battle with Granolah.
He could instinctually get hit on purpose to grow his battle power if he needs it. Otherwise ui can be the dominant form
It's the perfect Saiyan fighting style lol
If Super Ever comes back, Ultra Ego vegeta will be so fire, especially animated.
Vegeta can basically already do that. He only loses to angels essentially and Beerus.
As long as the new form is called Ultra Saiyan I have no complaints, lol. But that would be super crazy UI and UE together seems almost impossible to write a reasonable threat to oppose it.
Correct me if im wrong, but true ultra instinct was never actually a thing. From what i remember last time i read it, Goku powers down to his Omen form as he himself says its easier to use his emotions like this (in his omen form) when MUI requires perfect calmness instead. So he is using the Omen form, not some "True ultra instinct"
That whole “True Ultra Instinct” thing was ridiculous because during that fight Goku was overpowering Gas in Omen, something he couldn’t do in Silver hair UI yet in the Super Hero Epilogue, Beerus said the silver hair was still his strongest form, and going back a bit further, Goku in Omen was struggling against Moro even before he merged with 73, I think Toyotaro was just throwing out random shit during the fight with Gas just to stall to come up with a proper way to end the arc because even when silver hair UI was introduced in the ToP, Whis called it “True Ultra Instinct” 😂
I think it just means that he finally mastered UI sign which is TUI, and I kinda like it
@lucidmind9676 due to the events taking place in the granola arc goku was struggling to actually calm himself and clear his mind so his Mui form was not working as intended and was not functioning at full power. So, since he could not suppress his emotions during the battle he decided to use ultra instinct omen instead which does not require the same amount of calmness and clarity to function at full power. By dropping Mui for omen he could let his emotions benefit him which he can't do in mui. So, during that particular circumstance omen proved more effective but is still weaker than mui when he is able to utilize it at full capacity.
If Vegeta improves on the form yes he can be something crazy but they won't do that.
The way for UI and UE to work together seems rather obvious.
UI as the main for of attack and defense and in the rare case you get speeblitzzed and and your body can't phisically move fast enough to dodge you get damaged and due to UE now have more speed and power.
Basically if an attack isn't fast and powerfull enough to oneshot the new form it'll just create a new UI with much higher base stats.
The only way it can work is if the Fusion switches forms back and forth, like in the manga Vegeta would switch instantly back and forth between SSG and SSBlue
How would it work writing wise for mui to get it's own "true" state? Mui's whole thing was emotions must be turned off to use. There can't be a work around, and I feel like angels are perfect examples as they're always neutral to things and that's why they always have the form active
Imagine mastered ultra ego 🔥 (please give him eyebrows)
ifeel like vegeta should have got goku ui skin hardening pause buff in addition to damage conversion. it makes more sense to buff vegetas defense in that mode. why would superreflexes need extra defense ? he has to increase his durability or else hell never win fights without getting beat up first
UI + UE = Basically one feeding up the other, it's perhaps one of the most broken concepts ever to be theorized in dragonball besides DBZ Broly's power level having no hard cap and growing steadily in the moment (in lore). Gogeta/Vegito with both forms would become a thing of NIGHTMARES. And I am ALL for it.
What about vegeta saying that the form does not suit him well in granola arc?
If Ultra Instinct without emotions weakened Goku's potential power with the transformation, what if Ultra Ego without emotion *UNLOCKS* Vegeta's True Potential with UE?
That’s what beerus was basically trying to tell him. He needs to have his mind solely focused on destruction.
Tbh once they master theyre forms completely to the point they can use the forms without any draw back or time limit
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Vegeta has a lot of potential for the future, I honestly can't wait to see what they do with him next, his character has only gotten better, I loved what they did with him in the Moro Arc. 🔥
Excited to see it in action again
Vegeta has gotten L in long term so I don't see that changing
Ultra Ego sounds crazy but it's a good name for Vegeta's new form
Vegeta should go back to Ego Omen, like Top, since he could probably control it better than the purple haired form.
I've been seeing a lot of vegeta without the battle armor. Is he finally getting rid of it?
It's wild to me how people gas UE up so much when Vegeta couldn't even soundly beat Granolah with it. Struggled immensely to Gas. And got one shot in it by Black Ice Frieza. It's an underwhelming form that basically makes Vegeta a bigger Yamcha than Yamcha himself.
And yet SS4 was able to win the majority of its fight and this fandom still sees SS4 as insignificant and useless. It's crazy.
Silver haired is stated to be gokus strongest form during the beast Gohan fight
Yes!
Yes, but goku is still stronger in omen cause he can't control it yet.
@@sarthakarora3212 ?
@@sarthakarora3212that doesn’t make sense. If that were the case, he would have used it against gohan.
They need to do something with this for the sake of the games.
I think they created tui just for a future fusion. To combine with ultra ego cause mui and ego cant really go together
He didnt win a single fight and was overshadowed by everybody Even by calm Frieza like usual
Brian Drummond for Ultra Ego Vegeta!
Ultra Ego is the goat 🍷🗿
I just wanna see ssj3 ultra ego I feel it would just make too much sense. He never got ssj3 and he already lost his eyebrows.. it’s all set up for it
Great video
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed
Ultra instinct doesn’t help at all, the more damage the more boost. Avoiding contact would dilute that, it’s where u get god killer.
i knew it
vegeta is a GODDAMN ROLE MODEL
(also first)
Vegeta is a G'DAMN PURPLE INFERNAPE
I cant wait until the mastered version
Ssj blue already does that. Js.
Omg true ui isn’t a thing it’s just sign 🤦🏻♂️
imagine ultra ego vegeta fused with ultra instinct goku oh boi
They give goku vegeta gohan and piccolo all those godly forms but toriyama and toyotaro removed ikari an LSsj form from broly they nerfed him massively it's like they hate the character
Not at all what happened so first off, the legendary super sayian is the first sayian to go super saiyan in a thousand years. Second of all it was just a color design that you call "the legendary super sayian" like vegeta while transforming it flashes green or when goku is transforming it turns white it's just a color design, third im pretty sure the ikari state was just rage because there trying to teach him to master his forms and stay calm and not go berserk
I love Legendary SSJ... can't wait to see more
@Bardocks_Fig_Collection nope legendary ssj ki blast look like green basketball unlike others fighters
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 again color choices?
I find it funny how they keep writing themselves into a corner. All of super up until the tournament of power whis had been tryna to instill the concept of ui into goku and vegeta. Then during the granola arc he’s just like “forget what i said and be you”. What?! See ui was cool when there was just sign and then the mastered version but why did they feel the need to add more to it than that? Now the shits just all over the place and messy. All the while you got people like gohan who can not do shit for however long he wants, then gets angry and becomes the strongest in the whole show. No ui or god ki required🤷🏾♂️. Or consistent training for that matter. Now what whis was trying to teach them, about ui anyway feels like it was a waste of time
What About people who uses “Lullaby Punch”, “paralysis”, “Thunder shock surprise”, “turtle style last resort”, “solar flare”. Those are none attack moves preventing the opponent from attacking or are you going to use anime BS and some how Ultra Ego is resistant to being paralyze and falling asleep?
Vegeta will never be done right
He's always been right
@SaiyanScholar he is constantly treated like shit, what are you on
@@SaiyanScholarwat did u smoke when u wrote this
@@sussussy255 nothing he smoked nothing but spoke facts
@@Berlinh2 there no facts in that
Does this mean Beerus gets stronger the more he is beaten up?
I just don’t think ultra instinct would not work with fusion.
RIP Blue Evolution
I'd like to see more animated
Still no match against Gohan Beast.
Keep crying and coping more kiddo. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I wanna believe it but there just gonna hoe vegeta idk why dbs scared to give him the spot light
I think the point about true ultra instinct is that by completely denying his emotions, he was actively fighting his sayain instincts. How can he truly respond reflexively, without thinking, if he is always suppressing his extincts?
What this true "blank, reflexive" fighting logically would change based on what is natural, thoughtless for each race.
rename it to ultra zenkai
I wish Ultra Ego was allowed to win
I wish VEGETA was allowed to win
You are bee Abel ither or
eh? lol
The creator from DB Diama is the strongest.
This form is nothing but wasted potential just another Way for vegeta to lose i gave up on vegeta after the moro arc and lost hope after the granola arc now im just excited for piccolo i still like Vegeta but it's a waste of time to be excited for the next big L one character i never see Vegeta loseing to tho is Frieza so maybe he will get a win on black Frieza just hope its not like golden Frieza where he just gets the scraps of black Frieza
Solo the verse? Nope
Super is just full of wasted cool concepts.
your mom
Broly would be a monster with ultra ego
The worst transformation in Dragon Ball Super