i wanted a hand-made vintage amp. so i cranked up the latest in computerized numerical control machining and set about realizing the dream lol nice bit of kit
So, old guitar tube amps(and some still do) used a speaker baffle that floated and were surrounded a glued and/or finger joined cabinet. - So, a custom guitar and amp builder at Fender is tasked with copying Eric Clapton's amp and it goes all wrong. The builder decided he was gonna do all kinds of sound and visual changes and mods, etc. Eric says he is so insulted he will be going to Gibson. Fender of course, that sells tons of Eric Clapton Models, says a fast, 'we're sorry' and John Suhr (Of Suhr Guitars and amps now) , another builder at Fender there is asked to try. He copies the amp's speaker materials. All the original capacitors, tubes, grill cloth material. I don't mean same type. They went through old amps and matched everything. This way no tolerances in components could be the culprit when it didn't sound right. Very expensive. Has the magnets analyzed and goes to the original magnet company to verify everything. has them use that recipe to make more magnets, that level of crazy. It is an exact replica....but still doesn't sound right. Well, these are 'tweed' amps. Meaning covered in a cloth material like tweed. Come to find out that the reason this old amp from the 50s that he had recorded tons of hits on sounded so good...all the finger joints and glue had worked themself apart. And the entire amp was a floating baffle board. It basically fell apart perfectly and somehow had no vibration issues but only been helped by all this falling apart.
Sounds fucking great man, can’t believe you can get all that thump out of such a small speaker and cabinet. It’s a testament to your design. Keep these great vids coming, loved it!
Nice build, but the only issue is that the speaker is front mounted, not rear mounted. If rear mount it, it would have meant that the peace of wood that you are able to screw on and off would also double as the means of taking the speaker in and out of the cab. In that it would be easier if the speaker need to be replaced for what ever reason if you rear mounted the speaker. Other then that, good work.
I really like your design like an old Gretsch amp. It would have been nice to hear how it sounds through a demo. Particularly with the back on or off, etc.
That classic styling. Well done. Now if they would send you the same size driver that was more suited for bass, you do a mirror image of the enclosure (to tell them apart) and maybe change the input coupling cap to a size a scosche larger to let more bass pass, then you'd have one awesome pair of combo amps, well suited for a musical duo in the living room - his n hers. Only thing I'd change is to mount the speakers on the rear of the baffle for ease of replacement.
I did consider that. But it still would have been just as hard. You'd either have to work with diffraction issues because the screws would have to mount so far into material. Or you would have to put the screws going forward and somehow mount them with a t-nut. So that there are always going forward. But you'd almost need to glue them in so they wouldn't spin when you're trying to screw the nut in on the other side. There's probably another way to do it, and I'm just not thinking of.
@@Toid I figured you had thought of that. What you have to remember about what the difference is between reproduction of music in the Stereo/AV situation and music creation is that they have two distinctly different roles, and their functions reflect that. As you know all too well, the function of the HiFi speakers is to attempt to recreate the total soundstage of the recorded music/soundtrack so as to make you believe you are "there", a part of that audio experience. With instrument combo amps and speaker cabinets, their functions is to create the sound which will be picked up by the microphone(s) to be recorded or to be passed on to the PA system to then be reproduced for the venue being played. In this case, the speaker/driver will usually be very close mic'd, anywhere from 6-8" to as close as just outside maximum excursion. This gets rid of many of the concerns taken into account with HiFi because they simply don't matter. You get the actual color of the drivers and the different parts of the driver from the center of the dust cap all the way out to the edge of the cone. Plus the driver has to be able to handle the transients and distortion introduced into the signal to create that masterpiece being played. So, as you can see, what you are worrying about is not a big consideration in this instance, unless you intend to have them pull double duty as just plain powered speakers.
Stunning cabinetry! Actually way too nice for that solid state chassis. Maybe it would work nicely for bass guitar too, if a lower Fs driver would be used, and some changes to the curcuit would be made as well, like increasing coupling caps to remove any HP filtering that might be present. Usually solid state curcuits work better with bass than with 6-string guitar.
Great job, I had bought a few dozen of those Footnote amps when they were on liquidation at a store around here, made a few cool amps with them, they actually sound pretty good, if you to the little mode to them
Using someone else's control board... yet wondered what the guy would think of the sound. Only critiquing here because I long to build my own board, understand all the circuitry behind it. I hope the guy digs deeper into electronics/electronical engineering
I see this is an older video, but the link to the sound test doesn't connect for me. Does your buddy have a channel where he plays that nice amp you built?
Most of the analog pedals can easily take 9-12 or even 15 and 18 volts, some working just the same, some with slight changes in performance (overdrives will break up dfferently)
I'm sorry, but your title is misleading. I was expecting a "how to" build the amplifier, not woodworking. Like hand soldering, ohms, etc. I was fooled.
I'm going to try to add one on the Forum. Unfortunately I couldn't get anyone to test it. And this shipped out too far away from me. So as soon as I get a recording it'll be on the Forum.
That would look nice. I really wanted this to be a little different than what you see in the store. There's just appears to be a lot of black amplifiers on the market right now
No sound test ??? You're kinda screwed if you want to change out the speaker because you'll have to rip off the grill cloth to do so. if you would have mounted the speaker from the inside of the cabinet, no problem. Amp is no longer available. I would have round over all the edges, but that's my personal taste.
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Nothing beats that hand-made CNC vibe.
for real I'm like wtf
100% love the design. I'm all about the vintage aesthetic from the 40's-60's.
i wanted a hand-made vintage amp. so i cranked up the latest in computerized numerical control machining and set about realizing the dream lol nice bit of kit
So, old guitar tube amps(and some still do) used a speaker baffle that floated and were surrounded a glued and/or finger joined cabinet. - So, a custom guitar and amp builder at Fender is tasked with copying Eric Clapton's amp and it goes all wrong. The builder decided he was gonna do all kinds of sound and visual changes and mods, etc. Eric says he is so insulted he will be going to Gibson. Fender of course, that sells tons of Eric Clapton Models, says a fast, 'we're sorry' and John Suhr (Of Suhr Guitars and amps now) , another builder at Fender there is asked to try. He copies the amp's speaker materials. All the original capacitors, tubes, grill cloth material. I don't mean same type. They went through old amps and matched everything. This way no tolerances in components could be the culprit when it didn't sound right. Very expensive. Has the magnets analyzed and goes to the original magnet company to verify everything. has them use that recipe to make more magnets, that level of crazy. It is an exact replica....but still doesn't sound right. Well, these are 'tweed' amps. Meaning covered in a cloth material like tweed. Come to find out that the reason this old amp from the 50s that he had recorded tons of hits on sounded so good...all the finger joints and glue had worked themself apart. And the entire amp was a floating baffle board. It basically fell apart perfectly and somehow had no vibration issues but only been helped by all this falling apart.
Nice project...just hope the speaker never has to be changed. Unless tearing off the grill cloth is your thing.
Loved the way the cabinet turned out! That back plate is almost asking for some plexi
Aesthetics, this thing looks sick. Not sure about solid state electrics but if it plays, it plays and that's all that matters at the end of the day.
Sounds fucking great man, can’t believe you can get all that thump out of such a small speaker and cabinet. It’s a testament to your design. Keep these great vids coming, loved it!
That is a phenomenal design and execution. Enjoyed this video Toid, keep em coming
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
I made mine 8 inches thick 15 inches wide and 20 inches tall and it sounds great.
Nice build, but the only issue is that the speaker is front mounted, not rear mounted. If rear mount it, it would have meant that the peace of wood that you are able to screw on and off would also double as the means of taking the speaker in and out of the cab. In that it would be easier if the speaker need to be replaced for what ever reason if you rear mounted the speaker. Other then that, good work.
The finger joints looked a tad too tight but overall such a pleasant looking amp!
I really like your design like an old Gretsch amp. It would have been nice to hear how it sounds through a demo. Particularly with the back on or off, etc.
toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/diy-vintage-guitar-amplifier-build-and-discussion/
Awesome retro design!!
I could not have done it without your guidance. I can't thank you enough. Your expertise was vital and very much appreciated.
That classic styling. Well done.
Now if they would send you the same size driver that was more suited for bass, you do a mirror image of the enclosure (to tell them apart) and maybe change the input coupling cap to a size a scosche larger to let more bass pass, then you'd have one awesome pair of combo amps, well suited for a musical duo in the living room - his n hers.
Only thing I'd change is to mount the speakers on the rear of the baffle for ease of replacement.
I did consider that. But it still would have been just as hard. You'd either have to work with diffraction issues because the screws would have to mount so far into material. Or you would have to put the screws going forward and somehow mount them with a t-nut. So that there are always going forward. But you'd almost need to glue them in so they wouldn't spin when you're trying to screw the nut in on the other side. There's probably another way to do it, and I'm just not thinking of.
@@Toid I figured you had thought of that. What you have to remember about what the difference is between reproduction of music in the Stereo/AV situation and music creation is that they have two distinctly different roles, and their functions reflect that.
As you know all too well, the function of the HiFi speakers is to attempt to recreate the total soundstage of the recorded music/soundtrack so as to make you believe you are "there", a part of that audio experience.
With instrument combo amps and speaker cabinets, their functions is to create the sound which will be picked up by the microphone(s) to be recorded or to be passed on to the PA system to then be reproduced for the venue being played. In this case, the speaker/driver will usually be very close mic'd, anywhere from 6-8" to as close as just outside maximum excursion. This gets rid of many of the concerns taken into account with HiFi because they simply don't matter. You get the actual color of the drivers and the different parts of the driver from the center of the dust cap all the way out to the edge of the cone. Plus the driver has to be able to handle the transients and distortion introduced into the signal to create that masterpiece being played.
So, as you can see, what you are worrying about is not a big consideration in this instance, unless you intend to have them pull double duty as just plain powered speakers.
I love the design and build of the cabinet! I'd love to put a nice tube amp circuit in there and make that speaker really sing!
That would be amazing! I would have loved to have done that.
Amazing project demo!
That looks cool, and I just wish to hear some sound from it. From other projects as well.
I'm hoping to get some sound clips on the Forum. Hopefully I can soon
@@Toid, Thank U very much.
Stunning cabinetry! Actually way too nice for that solid state chassis. Maybe it would work nicely for bass guitar too, if a lower Fs driver would be used, and some changes to the curcuit would be made as well, like increasing coupling caps to remove any HP filtering that might be present. Usually solid state curcuits work better with bass than with 6-string guitar.
I agree. Why make such a beautiful cabinet and not throw valves in it :(
Great job, I had bought a few dozen of those Footnote amps when they were on liquidation at a store around here, made a few cool amps with them, they actually sound pretty good, if you to the little mode to them
What would be this little mod you speak of?
Very nice job Nick. I see some retro home theater in the future 😂
Haha! You never know
Great video. But i read that strong particle boards are better at reducing the resonance.
Pretty nice build mate !
Really glad there was no demonstration so we could actually hear how it sounds. D'OH!
Jack ~'()'~
How was the quality of that footnote amplifier head?? I've ran across them online for very cheap. So, im curious of your thoughts
The FootNote amp is on sale for $9 right now from PE.
Thanks Dan! I appreciate the lookout!
Pine? Wonder if it works that well on ported car audio subs.
I wonder why you need stepdown converter for 9V when you have 8, 9v outputs on the pannel.
Using someone else's control board... yet wondered what the guy would think of the sound.
Only critiquing here because I long to build my own board, understand all the circuitry behind it. I hope the guy digs deeper into electronics/electronical engineering
how much would an amp shell like that cost to build ? roughly?
How could you repair this? With a saw?
I see this is an older video, but the link to the sound test doesn't connect for me. Does your buddy have a channel where he plays that nice amp you built?
Sorry about that, here's the updated link toidsdiyaudio.com/forums/discussion/diy-vintage-guitar-amplifier-build-and-discussion/
Most of the analog pedals can easily take 9-12 or even 15 and 18 volts, some working just the same, some with slight changes in performance (overdrives will break up dfferently)
Thank you. That's great to know
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I'm sorry, but your title is misleading. I was expecting a "how to" build the amplifier, not woodworking. Like hand soldering, ohms, etc. I was fooled.
Same
I’m looking for just that and ended up here. I haven’t found a video like that yet. It seems to be a closely guarded secret.
You should of made a 5f1 champ
She's a Beauty
major blunder, you didn't play it, was it that crappy?
Fun
No audio of the amp? OH dear.
🗣Sound Demo and Discussion: toidsdiyaudio.com/community/postid/8952/
No sound demo?
I'm going to try to add one on the Forum. Unfortunately I couldn't get anyone to test it. And this shipped out too far away from me. So as soon as I get a recording it'll be on the Forum.
It is now available at toidsdiyaudio.com/community/diy-speakers-diy-speakers/diy-vintage-guitar-amplifier-build-and-discussion/#post-8997
Does all speakers work with this?
Technically yes.
Ok, ty!
i think a full black mate one would look better
That would look nice. I really wanted this to be a little different than what you see in the store. There's just appears to be a lot of black amplifiers on the market right now
@@Toid got it👌
yeah, u never get that speaker back out....
No sound test ??? You're kinda screwed if you want to change out the speaker because you'll have to rip off the grill cloth to do so. if you would have mounted the speaker from the inside of the cabinet, no problem. Amp is no longer available. I would have round over all the edges, but that's my personal taste.
WRONG!
Should have made the speaker rear mounted for ease of servicing in the future.
But still a really nice build
Sound demo here: th-cam.com/video/3JfduVDGvTI/w-d-xo.html
Now replace the digital crap with a tube system and you'll have a proper amp.
Please let us hear it?
I'll see if I can get a clip of it up on the Forum.
It is now available at toidsdiyaudio.com/community/diy-speakers-diy-speakers/diy-vintage-guitar-amplifier-build-and-discussion/#post-8997
Coulda bought it own blueprints... or learned how to build his own effects board rather than use someone else.
Still, cool build tho.
Ha ha, this is funny shit, if not stupid, oh well.