It would be if we didn't swap out that system so much. :) We have plans for a custom loop project in the New Year though that'll be handled by Eber & Mike.
HardwareCanucks , if you were going to do a custom water cooled setup, how would you go about it? Large rad up front? Connect both systems to one system?and Would that be enough to keep things cool?
The dual system thing is really intended for custom loops, thus you’d be able to use whatever fittings needed to fit things together nicely. But the itx system is more for like a mini server or capture/streaming system, not 2 high power systems with no open loop
Some recommendations for a dual-system build: 1 - Get a USB switch, so you can have one set of peripherals and simply use the switch to use system 1 or system 2. 2 - Use one system as a local storage system (GGF events used a raid-card to use 9 ssds in this case!) 3 - Render some videos on one system, and edit some videos on the other (this can save a lot of time) 4 - If you have problems with coolers, take advantage of the fill/drain port on the front of the case and build a custom loop (you won't have to worry about forced colors then)
I am going for this power supply for my build. I own a Mozart tx from thermaltake. I took 10 years to find one In Brazil. I houses 2 systems, one being a nas on the ITX side. 11 12mm fans, 1 8mm fan, 7 hds. It is a beast of a case. Saving now for the quadstellar, wich I plan to mod to house 2 itx systems, the nas and the main rig.
I’ve had it where the optical drive was in one case, the front usb were in another one still and the system was in its own case. It’s my DOS machine as it doesn’t have front usb on its case, and it’s optical drive is bad.
You can offload rendering to the smaller system, and carry on working on the main one. Other than that, this case would be great to house a NAS build inside the same chassis as your main workstation. Especially considering it can house 12 3.5" drives.
@moo 1. I don't want all of my gear on one system that'll draw a ton of power. This way, the gaming rig can be shut down while the NAS keeps running while drawing minimal power. 2. I don't want to have two cases, nor is there a need for it. 3. I wish this case was full tower.....
You can mount a 120 AIO in the rear.. Use one that is 50mm thick. Which is the same volume as dual 120 AIO... I ended up using a H-80i v2. Stuck one fan outside the rear of the case. As it allows me to seal the AIO tank up against the case. Help give me more room inside the case. Got 4 degree c. better cooling over that Noctus heat sink...And yes most cases today have cut outs in the rear. To route the fan cable back inside the case for external pumps and hoses...
Basically you could connect them both to your monitor and switch inputs while you use one to render a video and another to either render another video or play a game or respond to comments.
Title should have been "2 Rigs 1 Box" You could use the secondary system as a capture rig for streaming or a media server, or you could use it to do a little gaming while the main system is working on a task
So I guess you'll have to use a dual-screen, one for system A and another for system B, link both with an RJ-45 crossed cable and use Synergy Project to control both like a simple dual-screen computer. You could then use one for rendering and the other for doing other work. I don't know if you can also make Premiere leverage the resources of a computer on the LAN like Sony Vegas does, you could then have the efficiency of both computers for rendering. PS: Synergy Project is a paid software, but as it was opensource, you can check on sourceforge or other alternatives to try the old version and see if it fits your needs.
He could also activate remote desktop on the smaller computer, and connect to it on the desktop of the bigger one. That way, he can have two screens on just one of the desktops, and just remote-controll the other one.
sigurda yes, but the good thing with synergy is that the display is connected directly to a screen, so he can play videos or play a game without having lags :D
For video production, the only thing I can think of is that you get into After Effects more with motion graphics using call outs or graphs. Having a second system means you can use network rendering.
@@richg4051 The NH-D15 outperforms pretty much every AIO, I have no idea what you're on about. (I would know because I have one, and I got one after using an AIO that failed)
@@motivated_capybara First of all, no, the D15 does not outperform good AiO's, it might be quiter, but that's because of the Noctua fans. Secondly, that's not the point. There are clearing issues. If you can fit 2 x D15's in there, sure dude, go for it, but you can't so a 140mm AiO and a 280, 360 or 420 AiO would be the better choice.
You can do the same things as with two towers/one tower, one laptop - I'm doing a dual screen config with Synergy (kinda a software KVM), one system for gaming, second system for looking things up/YT/seeing a stream; both at the same time for productivity. Or as secondary compute system (video editing), or second PC a silent PC for Spotify, TV, file server, etc. The good thing about two PCs instead of dual-monitoring one system is that the CPU/GPU/RAM usage are independant of each other, so you minimize framerate problems when you do background tasks (on 8-core 64 GB RAM systems, that is of course not an issue anymore) You can plug in a second set of peripherals (use a Y-cable or small sound mixer to unify the sound) so that you can use both systems simultaniously. This set-up of two PCs (and many more than two monitors, LOL) is relatively common for simulation gamers, for looking up reference materials such as charts or to change TS/Discord without going out of your game. Also, you won't need heating anymore.
Going thru something like this with a client build myself. :( But, to put it mildly this is part of learning. Trying new things isn’t always fun. Now, I have a little more motivation. :)
Dmitry, this is the best production you've done so far. Especially between 3:19 and 3:26. You don't have to keep doing builds in that type of lighting as I know it'll put strain on your eyes, but that was the best 7-s sequence as far as the lighting/mood and music composition. Keep up the good work, my friend.
I also have a very similar build out. I'm not using the EvolvX, but rather a Enthoo Mini XL Dual System. My primary system (mATX) is my gaming PC, while my ITX system is a dedicated Plex/Streaming PC. I use NDI to send the gameplay from my primary machine to my ITX build and use CPU encoding. If that's not your thing, you could also utilize the ITX to do a FreeNAS. I'm also really interested in that Revolt X to replace my PSU & Phanteks Power Splitter that I'm using in my case.
It's so interesting to see something like that. I think you could fix the thermals for the ITX system with a 140mm AIO to put in the top beside the motherboard. But it would need low profile RAM to avoid tubing smashing on the NH-D15. Also, if you're not using any other expansion slot on your motherboard you could maybe try to put the second GPU horizontally where there are no PCIE slots on the ATX motherboard. Another possibility is to get an mATX motherboard to be able to fit the second GPU horizontally and being able to close the panel. Surely asks for some creative solution if you don't want to go full custom watercooling. Video really well produced, ultra details, ray tracing ON!
Great ideas 👍 I'll definitely switch out the tiny cooler on the ITX board, but sticking with ATX for the main system but mATX would have been perfect. -D.
I think for what you are trying to do, the EvolvX is only good if you go custom loop, that said i dont think there are many options in the market to do this, but would be interesting if you do temperature testing on it, and then switch to a CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 1000D, and compare them.
My plans for my upcoming Evolv 2-system build is to put both a gaming PC and my PLEX server/NAS in the same build. For the ITX/Media Server I plan on using an AMD 2400G and it's onboard graphics. I plan to use two AIO's to help with the interior temperatures (I find the Corsair H55 Quiet is a really great fit for these types of use cases and pretty cost effective). This should help produce a lower power requirement, create better airflow in the case and allow for more space for large format HDs to store content ... since there will only be one dedicated GPU in the setup. This setup will save me substantial space compared to my current discrete systems.
Hi, why don't use a dual parallelized gpu system? Take a threadripper and a mobo for that CPU and put inside, both the GPU that you have (Titan XP + RTX 2080Ti). Connect both at the monitor and just it. You will have a dual parallelized system capable to reproduce games meanwhile you are rendering a video or what you want.
My riser cable arrives next week! Then its finally time to build my dual system as well :D However, i think you made a couple of mistakes with your dual system. After explaining them i will write my solutions and how to control the tempatures in the case. So first big no-no is the fact you are using a triple fan GPU and not blowerstyle. The case itself will have 2 GPUs and 2 CPUs + mobo heat in the very back of the case and the ITX board will block off any fans to help out in the top. So basically, you have 1 fan to get all that hot air out. The blowerstyle card will create an immense amount of heat inside the case that you can not get rid of. Secondly you are going aircooling giving huge clearance issues with cooling, both for the ATX and ITX board. So add the hot air accumulating from the blowerstyle, the ITX using the hot air from the ATX cooler and you have a huge bubble of hot air circulating creating terrible temps. Last thing is that your Titan is literally up against the glass and can not breath. You will end up choking that card. Here is my approach to the double system build (However, not tested yet): Im going with 2x Blowerstyle GPUs to ensure decent temps, but without interfering with the CPUs and motherboards. Now, there are issues with having a vertical card because of the wire sticking out and forcing the vertical card out towards the glass. My solution was to instal the Coolermaster Vertical Mount in the case. So both my cards are vertically mounted and this allows the card towards the class to be moved further into the case and giving it a proper air volume to work with. Then for the 2x CPUs im using a 120mm Rad for the ITX build in the back and a 360mm Rad for the main ATX system in the front. In a perfect world i would have a 420mm rad on the front and 140mm in the back, but dont have the money for that right now. If you didnt know, the top of the Evolv X does NOT support ITX + 240mm Rad.. its literally missing 5mm :( Anyways, this give PLENTY of clearance compared to your aircooling setup and you can even remove the ITX build without having to take the ATX build out. This also helps out with not having the hot air pocket curculating in the top. Biggest negative about this setup is the 360 rad pumps out about 50 degrees under load, making it though for the GPUs. Im placing 1 140mm intake fan in the top of the case towards to front to help out with getting some fresh intake. I will then place the plastic .. erh, surface thing? on the top between the ITX and fan to close off the hole and giving proper air routing. Ive tested it out a bit with what i can, both GPUs are running at 60-65 degrees under load and my ATX CPU is 50-55 and and ITX runs at 55-60 with the panel CLOSED. However, i havent had EVERYTHING running at the exact same time. So it might go up slightly .. but overall good temps for 2 systems in the same case :) Hope this helps you Dimitry .. i dont think you are letting this case show you its full potentiel with air cooling =/
Poster-child video for the Obsidian 1000D. Huge case, however none of the issues in this video are encountered during installation and follow-on use. Besides that while I love Phanteks, and the Evolve Shift X served me well... kind of (bad thermals for anything K overclockable...), the aesthetics and design are simply dated. Lastly there are a plethora of things you can do with a dual use case. In mine (1000D), I use the ITX system as an active NAS, gaming server for Minecraft/Terarria, and home automation controller running .node Homebridge. In parallel I use my EATX portion for gaming & workstation type tasks. Basically anything I dont want sucking cycles from my main build gets run on the ITX system. Bonus: To make administration easier I have the ITX system attached to a secondary desk mounted monitor and use Multiplicity KVM to seamlessly control both EATX/ITX systems with a single mouse and keyboard.
Maybe you could have added a small 120ml AIO for the itx system, and a 360 AIO for the atx, have the 120 aio intake at the top front roof of the case, and have the 360 aio intake through the front panel, neither would spoil the other in terms of temps, as they are both takijg fresh air, but im not sure about clearance at the front top for a small rad and fans, especially if there is already a 360 rad/fans at the front, idk, food for thought, might be a solution to the temp issue
You could always go full custom water cooling loops for both systems and that should work out better in such a small case. Frankly if I were building a dual system I would go with a larger case. If you want to stick with phanteks you can go with the phanteks enthoo elite but that's super expensive. You could also go with the corsair 1000D but that vase is so huge I'm not sure where you'd put it.
Its very rare for me to comment on videos, but I could not resist. They were some really nice shots, especially 3:24 The mix between the colours of the lighting and the object placement were just perfect, the distant blur was also very nice.
one of the more common things to do with 2 systems in a single box is your big machine can be used for gaming or video production while the itx machine can handle video encoding or streaming.
Two AIOs and you would have been golden. A 140 for the ITX and a 360 in the front probably wouldn't have effected your GPU temps all that much. I dont have my Evolve X as a dual system but I do have a 360 rad in the top with a push pull config and its great.
1. ITX with celeron/pentium, passive cooling, NO GPU, as low as possible wattage (sure you can't achieve that with 1200W PSU. Efficiency at 20W will be at around 30-40%). Purpose -> 24/7 NAS. 2. Your ultra high end gaming/transcoding station you run like 8 hours a day, heating up your room and stuff like that. BUT, the case is overpriced, PSU is overpriced, and ITX bracket should be included with the case, or sent out free of charge to the owners of the case. So the best use for this case is to sell it and buy good single system case and a standalone NAS, and still have some left over money.
That's basically exactly what I was thinking. My first thought was "sooo... does that 1200watt PSU have a low power mode for when only the small system is running?" I've been trying to track down a dual system case for a while now for the exact purpose you listed. I'd prefer not to have another case..... and I just realized I'd be out of ports on my router. Suppose a switch is in order. Well shit.
I'm contemplating a very similar build. The itx system serving as Linux based NAS, Home Automation and media server based on a TDP limited 2400g cpu. The other system would be a Threadripper 2 workstation for software development and image processing.
I'm still wondering how to really sync rgb lights and how to setup the coolers, which system will be in control? Or will I use a sata powered fan hub for the primary case coolers?
put the 12cm noctua fan in the middle instead of the front, it will have enough space i believe for the 12cm and you won't lose almost any cooling performance.
You could have a high end Intel and ryzen cpu system in each system and have it be one big gpu test bed. Therefore only having to swap gpus. Temperature may be an issue however but just an idea
You can't color coordinate that unless you plasti dip or paint stuff but that's not a great option for fans. Just embrace it and use a solid side panel. Noctua fans are so quiet you can forget they're there. Good thing because when you remember how they look it really hurts.
I recon it looks great, and I much prefer big air coolers to AIOs - avoids noise and leaks, plus the performance of that big Noctua is as good if not better than many AIOs you can get whilst also being quieter. The only change I would make would be to flat out disable the green RGB's on the Titan. This is a really awesome build, and you have inspired me to look into the case. I currently rock two separate systems, with my main rig being an 8600k and 1070 and then I have a mini ITX running Ubuntu for a few bits of Linux software I need now and then.
weaponize the top board (pfsense, kabana, and gaming... nice combo. With the increasing core counts applications like this becomes more deployable, reduce costs compared to what is needed now for cyber reactive measures and lastly footprint. Of course gaming while engaging cyber countermeasures is always a plus.
I had that small noctua cooler on a 6600k in my itx case, but it got too hot when gaming. I like noctua but for my case the big shuriken 2 rev.B worked alot better. It just fitted in so I advise people to take a look at that cooler for low profile. Check the clearance with the ram though.
Simple Render on the 9900K and game on the 8600K. Get a KVM Switch and all is well. You can also make a NAS (freenasbox) with the ITX and use the 9900K for all other work. Other than that i would say do need a dual systems lol
A lot of the side cooling could be solved if filtered full or partial mesh side panels were a thing. That way you get airflow and you could see the insides.
Maybe use a 120mm AiO for the 8700K, 240mm or 280mm AiO for the 9900k and replace that Jedi Titan XP with a smaller card, GTX1080Ti Mini from Zotac maybe?
Like your suggestion for the 1080 Ti mini but for the cooler he just needs a 140mm AIO like the kraken which he has and be placed facing the top of the case. So as mentioned fresh air coming directly from the front
@@kingprettie01 maybe mount a 120mm or 140mm AiO on the back of the case where exhaust fan usually sits and for the top i can see theres room for a 240mm for the 9900K,front for intakes?
This is obviously an extreme scenario having two high systems in one. Handy for someone who wants to work with two different OS's, would to interesting to have the micro ITX as a hackintosh or linux machine.
A good use case would be to use the mitx system as a dedicated gaming pc and the atx system as a streaming/editing pc. Through an Elgato 4k60 Pro or an Avermedia Live Gamer 4k in the atx system, loop through the gaming feed or clone it and be on your way. If you had a bunch of drives in there the mitx could be a freenas like what Paul's Hardware is doing.
It was a cool concept, but unless you do some custom water-cooling it seems a bit clunky with two systems. Let alone it hardly looks good with a side panel on it.
Id like to see something along the lines of this, but 2 miniITX systems. 2 9600Ks? 6cores overclocked to 5ghz wouldnt bottleneck anything atm. 1 1080ti. Smaller case, silverstone has a 800w sfx psu. Youd be fine with a 128gb m.2 on the streaming pc. Main storage for the main pc and theres 2.5inch drives with high capacities. I wonder how smaller it would be while still having the gaming and streaming setup without performance loss.
I think I would have one system dedicated for multithread workflow and one optimized for single threaded workflow. So basically I could render or encode on one while gaming or doing more productivity on the other.
Thanks for your sharing of the cooling configuration , just almost finish the same dual system build, my MSI X570 godlike motherboard is only waiting for 3900x CPU.
Almost (but not quite) think it might be easier to go with a Threatripper 2990EX or Intel 9980XE then virtualize the machine with PCIe passthrough. But neat idea for sure, def interested in hearing about the thermals and hope it doesn't trip up your workflo.
i would use 2 aio with on both sides a cooler, saves space and dont heat the inside up to much cause u get a better airflow, in my pc i got 2 240 rads one in the front and 2 at the top with 4 coolers each, its very quiet
using the itx space for a asrock c2750d4i and all 10 harddrives and 2 ssd (leaving another 7 ssd spots for the other system) would mean you could have a nas and a gaming rig in one system
Use one for video production and the other for gaming! If you want to start game streaming as well it's nice to have two separate systems for this as you are not loading the CPU or the GPU of the main gaming system.
I'd love to hear a review on the power supply since you have been using this system. I've read mix reviews about this power supply but I need something that can run dual systems.
This case is perfect for streamers who have two different setups but want to save space. One giant system built for gaming - a smaller one built for streaming. Now try to do it with the Phanteks Enthoo Elite. More spacious and bigger case that has the same ability to store two systems - with the power button for both on the front top! :)
Seeing this, I really wish Noctua would make a dual tower 120 mm tower. Like U12, but two heatsinks. And reintroduce the D14; D14V2. E.g. in a phanteks P400S, you cannot fit a D15, but a D14 is compatible
wow Dmitry!! just yesterday i was watching Gamers Nexus review of Evolv X and i was thinking of how to build two system there and here you are doing it! AMAZING!😆😆 i wanna ask you few questions regarding your build: 1.regarding cooling options .. you couldn't go all AIO watercooling using that 360 rad for front intake for ATX mob and 240 or 280 rad at top intake or exhaust for ITX mob ? 2. can you please make a guide video of how to make this system set up useful for your content creation and for streaming ? 3. can you show us how did you manage to make both system work on same monitor? that was really cool! 😍😍 i really like the shots you took on this video especially when the light goes out that was AWESOME!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩 keep your amazing work!!
Dremeti i guess you should upgrade the atx system to a custom looped watercooling system because in such tight space with 2 system will obivio effect both system and also upgrading to custom loop will bw fun ,,,,,,,,,,what do you think?????
I sure hope you still read the comments here, as I'll be building the same thing. :) Could you tell me what the clearance for the mini-itx system cooler would be? I'll probably be going for some Noctua fan to cool the ATX CPU, and since i have an older i5-6600k (which I'll install in the ITX), I was thinking to leave the stock fan that came with it to cool it since it did an ok job before. What do you think, would that work?
Neat idea! Question: why did you guys not go for a TR or an intel X? I know some of these programs work better with faster cores like adobe. If this is truly your editing rig, why the limit?
Watercool this puppy, cpu and gpu blocks, a 360 in the front and a 240 on the top, you’d gain on temps and noise. I’d put one loop to cool all of this.
Why not just use water cooling on both CPUs. Use a 240 Rad mounted on the top next to the ITX for the ITX board. then a 360 rad for the ATX Board. Would make the system look cleaner. Less clunky, and temps would be better.
*Tell me the best motherboard and case for Noctua NH-D15 cooler.* There should be sufficient space in the case and for *RAM installation* and a big GPU on the motherboard. I will go with *Asus or MSI RTX 2070 Super (3 fans).* It thought of going with the case *Phantek Enthoo Evolv X* but I don't think that's a good idea with the big cooler. I also thought of going with *Asus Rog Strix z390-e (Wi-Fi) motherboard* but I'm too confused.😕 My CPU is i7 9700k. *Somebody help if possible...*
the only way this would would make any sense is custom loop. those individual cooling systems only block or interfere with each other especially if you're running 2 very hot processors
3:15 Power goes out. Normies wait. Dmitry takes cooler shots
😂 it was just for fun 😎
What is better than that? *ONE SYSTEM IN TWO CASES*
Love it ...
I could see 3 PC in that case. It looks like you could mod the case top area to hold two itx motherboards.
@@sir_wolfart4733 or just put a Raspberry Pi inside
@@HardwareCanucks the ThermalTake Core V21 micro-ATX case is stackable... *nudge nudge*
I'm pretty sure I've seen that before, one case for the pc the other for water cooling stuff
It will be a very interesting custom watercooling project.
It would be if we didn't swap out that system so much. :) We have plans for a custom loop project in the New Year though that'll be handled by Eber & Mike.
making this a custom loop with some of the EK Phoenix parts would be a good option due to this system being swapped so often
HardwareCanucks , if you were going to do a custom water cooled setup, how would you go about it? Large rad up front? Connect both systems to one system?and Would that be enough to keep things cool?
@@imromano2448 air cooling is not a project since its just adding fans to the system -_-
@@imromano2448 air cooling is for normies
3:19 OMG those shots
ikr? they look so professional
Dimitri shows us how to do this on premiere pro !
Whats the name of the music though?
PeROMxiP _ idk
PeROMxiP _ please name of song I’m trying to edit my pc build vid
The dual system thing is really intended for custom loops, thus you’d be able to use whatever fittings needed to fit things together nicely. But the itx system is more for like a mini server or capture/streaming system, not 2 high power systems with no open loop
Some recommendations for a dual-system build:
1 - Get a USB switch, so you can have one set of peripherals and simply use the switch to use system 1 or system 2.
2 - Use one system as a local storage system (GGF events used a raid-card to use 9 ssds in this case!)
3 - Render some videos on one system, and edit some videos on the other (this can save a lot of time)
4 - If you have problems with coolers, take advantage of the fill/drain port on the front of the case and build a custom loop (you won't have to worry about forced colors then)
I am going for this power supply for my build. I own a Mozart tx from thermaltake. I took 10 years to find one In Brazil. I houses 2 systems, one being a nas on the ITX side. 11 12mm fans, 1 8mm fan, 7 hds. It is a beast of a case. Saving now for the quadstellar, wich I plan to mod to house 2 itx systems, the nas and the main rig.
How about 1 System 2 cases
Sounds like some caselabs shit
Hmmm... Great idea... But why? 😂
HardwareCanucks because more rgb
HardwareCanucks
More space to power the nuclear core in my basement, of course.
I’ve had it where the optical drive was in one case, the front usb were in another one still and the system was in its own case. It’s my DOS machine as it doesn’t have front usb on its case, and it’s optical drive is bad.
You can offload rendering to the smaller system, and carry on working on the main one. Other than that, this case would be great to house a NAS build inside the same chassis as your main workstation. Especially considering it can house 12 3.5" drives.
@moo
1. I don't want all of my gear on one system that'll draw a ton of power. This way, the gaming rig can be shut down while the NAS keeps running while drawing minimal power.
2. I don't want to have two cases, nor is there a need for it.
3. I wish this case was full tower.....
You can mount a 120 AIO in the rear.. Use one that is 50mm thick. Which is the same volume as dual 120 AIO...
I ended up using a H-80i v2. Stuck one fan outside the rear of the case. As it allows me to seal the AIO tank up against the case. Help give me more room inside the case. Got 4 degree c. better cooling over that Noctus heat sink...And yes most cases today have cut outs in the rear. To route the fan cable back inside the case for external pumps and hoses...
Basically you could connect them both to your monitor and switch inputs while you use one to render a video and another to either render another video or play a game or respond to comments.
Title should have been "2 Rigs 1 Box"
You could use the secondary system as a capture rig for streaming or a media server, or you could use it to do a little gaming while the main system is working on a task
3:19 that was nice!
So I guess you'll have to use a dual-screen, one for system A and another for system B, link both with an RJ-45 crossed cable and use Synergy Project to control both like a simple dual-screen computer.
You could then use one for rendering and the other for doing other work. I don't know if you can also make Premiere leverage the resources of a computer on the LAN like Sony Vegas does, you could then have the efficiency of both computers for rendering.
PS: Synergy Project is a paid software, but as it was opensource, you can check on sourceforge or other alternatives to try the old version and see if it fits your needs.
He could also activate remote desktop on the smaller computer, and connect to it on the desktop of the bigger one. That way, he can have two screens on just one of the desktops, and just remote-controll the other one.
sigurda yes, but the good thing with synergy is that the display is connected directly to a screen, so he can play videos or play a game without having lags :D
Just buy a kvm. Have both systems connected to the KVM, one mouse and keyboard, one monitor. Push a button on the KVM to swap between the systems.
For video production, the only thing I can think of is that you get into After Effects more with motion graphics using call outs or graphs. Having a second system means you can use network rendering.
Why didn't you just use 2 AiO's?
I curious as well im sure that a 120 for the itx then a 240 for the atx would have worked
The Noctua NH-D15 outperforms most, if not all, AIO and is much quieter.
@@motivated_capybara lol what AIO are you using, the noctua is good but not that good
@@richg4051 The NH-D15 outperforms pretty much every AIO, I have no idea what you're on about. (I would know because I have one, and I got one after using an AIO that failed)
@@motivated_capybara
First of all, no, the D15 does not outperform good AiO's, it might be quiter, but that's because of the Noctua fans.
Secondly, that's not the point. There are clearing issues. If you can fit 2 x D15's in there, sure dude, go for it, but you can't so a 140mm AiO and a 280, 360 or 420 AiO would be the better choice.
You can do the same things as with two towers/one tower, one laptop - I'm doing a dual screen config with Synergy (kinda a software KVM), one system for gaming, second system for looking things up/YT/seeing a stream; both at the same time for productivity. Or as secondary compute system (video editing), or second PC a silent PC for Spotify, TV, file server, etc.
The good thing about two PCs instead of dual-monitoring one system is that the CPU/GPU/RAM usage are independant of each other, so you minimize framerate problems when you do background tasks (on 8-core 64 GB RAM systems, that is of course not an issue anymore) You can plug in a second set of peripherals (use a Y-cable or small sound mixer to unify the sound) so that you can use both systems simultaniously. This set-up of two PCs (and many more than two monitors, LOL) is relatively common for simulation gamers, for looking up reference materials such as charts or to change TS/Discord without going out of your game.
Also, you won't need heating anymore.
Going thru something like this with a client build myself. :(
But, to put it mildly this is part of learning. Trying new things isn’t always fun.
Now, I have a little more motivation. :)
Dmitry, this is the best production you've done so far. Especially between 3:19 and 3:26. You don't have to keep doing builds in that type of lighting as I know it'll put strain on your eyes, but that was the best 7-s sequence as far as the lighting/mood and music composition. Keep up the good work, my friend.
Haha thank you 😄 just having some fun!
-D.
I also have a very similar build out. I'm not using the EvolvX, but rather a Enthoo Mini XL Dual System. My primary system (mATX) is my gaming PC, while my ITX system is a dedicated Plex/Streaming PC. I use NDI to send the gameplay from my primary machine to my ITX build and use CPU encoding. If that's not your thing, you could also utilize the ITX to do a FreeNAS.
I'm also really interested in that Revolt X to replace my PSU & Phanteks Power Splitter that I'm using in my case.
It's so interesting to see something like that. I think you could fix the thermals for the ITX system with a 140mm AIO to put in the top beside the motherboard. But it would need low profile RAM to avoid tubing smashing on the NH-D15. Also, if you're not using any other expansion slot on your motherboard you could maybe try to put the second GPU horizontally where there are no PCIE slots on the ATX motherboard.
Another possibility is to get an mATX motherboard to be able to fit the second GPU horizontally and being able to close the panel.
Surely asks for some creative solution if you don't want to go full custom watercooling.
Video really well produced, ultra details, ray tracing ON!
Great ideas 👍 I'll definitely switch out the tiny cooler on the ITX board, but sticking with ATX for the main system but mATX would have been perfect.
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Hell yeah, I'm going to build a dual system in the Phantek case also. I'm looking forward to it.
I think for what you are trying to do, the EvolvX is only good if you go custom loop, that said i dont think there are many options in the market to do this, but would be interesting if you do temperature testing on it, and then switch to a CORSAIR OBSIDIAN 1000D, and compare them.
Get a Cryorig C7 Cu + the 120mm fan bracket to use a Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM. That should give you plenty of cooling power for your mini system.
You could mod the mini itx system so that the silent loop has vertical fittings and then plug the tubes back into it.
My plans for my upcoming Evolv 2-system build is to put both a gaming PC and my PLEX server/NAS in the same build. For the ITX/Media Server I plan on using an AMD 2400G and it's onboard graphics. I plan to use two AIO's to help with the interior temperatures (I find the Corsair H55 Quiet is a really great fit for these types of use cases and pretty cost effective).
This should help produce a lower power requirement, create better airflow in the case and allow for more space for large format HDs to store content ... since there will only be one dedicated GPU in the setup.
This setup will save me substantial space compared to my current discrete systems.
Hi, why don't use a dual parallelized gpu system?
Take a threadripper and a mobo for that CPU and put inside, both the GPU that you have (Titan XP + RTX 2080Ti).
Connect both at the monitor and just it.
You will have a dual parallelized system capable to reproduce games meanwhile you are rendering a video or what you want.
My riser cable arrives next week! Then its finally time to build my dual system as well :D
However, i think you made a couple of mistakes with your dual system. After explaining them i will write my solutions and how to control the tempatures in the case.
So first big no-no is the fact you are using a triple fan GPU and not blowerstyle. The case itself will have 2 GPUs and 2 CPUs + mobo heat in the very back of the case and the ITX board will block off any fans to help out in the top. So basically, you have 1 fan to get all that hot air out. The blowerstyle card will create an immense amount of heat inside the case that you can not get rid of. Secondly you are going aircooling giving huge clearance issues with cooling, both for the ATX and ITX board. So add the hot air accumulating from the blowerstyle, the ITX using the hot air from the ATX cooler and you have a huge bubble of hot air circulating creating terrible temps. Last thing is that your Titan is literally up against the glass and can not breath. You will end up choking that card.
Here is my approach to the double system build (However, not tested yet):
Im going with 2x Blowerstyle GPUs to ensure decent temps, but without interfering with the CPUs and motherboards. Now, there are issues with having a vertical card because of the wire sticking out and forcing the vertical card out towards the glass. My solution was to instal the Coolermaster Vertical Mount in the case. So both my cards are vertically mounted and this allows the card towards the class to be moved further into the case and giving it a proper air volume to work with.
Then for the 2x CPUs im using a 120mm Rad for the ITX build in the back and a 360mm Rad for the main ATX system in the front. In a perfect world i would have a 420mm rad on the front and 140mm in the back, but dont have the money for that right now. If you didnt know, the top of the Evolv X does NOT support ITX + 240mm Rad.. its literally missing 5mm :( Anyways, this give PLENTY of clearance compared to your aircooling setup and you can even remove the ITX build without having to take the ATX build out. This also helps out with not having the hot air pocket curculating in the top. Biggest negative about this setup is the 360 rad pumps out about 50 degrees under load, making it though for the GPUs. Im placing 1 140mm intake fan in the top of the case towards to front to help out with getting some fresh intake. I will then place the plastic .. erh, surface thing? on the top between the ITX and fan to close off the hole and giving proper air routing.
Ive tested it out a bit with what i can, both GPUs are running at 60-65 degrees under load and my ATX CPU is 50-55 and and ITX runs at 55-60 with the panel CLOSED. However, i havent had EVERYTHING running at the exact same time. So it might go up slightly .. but overall good temps for 2 systems in the same case :)
Hope this helps you Dimitry .. i dont think you are letting this case show you its full potentiel with air cooling =/
Poster-child video for the Obsidian 1000D. Huge case, however none of the issues in this video are encountered during installation and follow-on use. Besides that while I love Phanteks, and the Evolve Shift X served me well... kind of (bad thermals for anything K overclockable...), the aesthetics and design are simply dated. Lastly there are a plethora of things you can do with a dual use case. In mine (1000D), I use the ITX system as an active NAS, gaming server for Minecraft/Terarria, and home automation controller running .node Homebridge. In parallel I use my EATX portion for gaming & workstation type tasks. Basically anything I dont want sucking cycles from my main build gets run on the ITX system. Bonus: To make administration easier I have the ITX system attached to a secondary desk mounted monitor and use Multiplicity KVM to seamlessly control both EATX/ITX systems with a single mouse and keyboard.
I use that low profile cooler on an 8700k overclocked to 4.8 ghz and it’s fine. However I use it mostly for gaming so it doesn’t really get too hot.
Maybe you could have added a small 120ml AIO for the itx system, and a 360 AIO for the atx, have the 120 aio intake at the top front roof of the case, and have the 360 aio intake through the front panel, neither would spoil the other in terms of temps, as they are both takijg fresh air, but im not sure about clearance at the front top for a small rad and fans, especially if there is already a 360 rad/fans at the front, idk, food for thought, might be a solution to the temp issue
You could try the aio on the atx system and a larger air cooler on the other system so you don’t need to downclock
You could always go full custom water cooling loops for both systems and that should work out better in such a small case. Frankly if I were building a dual system I would go with a larger case. If you want to stick with phanteks you can go with the phanteks enthoo elite but that's super expensive. You could also go with the corsair 1000D but that vase is so huge I'm not sure where you'd put it.
Its very rare for me to comment on videos, but I could not resist. They were some really nice shots, especially 3:24 The mix between the colours of the lighting and the object placement were just perfect, the distant blur was also very nice.
one of the more common things to do with 2 systems in a single box is your big machine can be used for gaming or video production while the itx machine can handle video encoding or streaming.
Two AIOs and you would have been golden. A 140 for the ITX and a 360 in the front probably wouldn't have effected your GPU temps all that much.
I dont have my Evolve X as a dual system but I do have a 360 rad in the top with a push pull config and its great.
You can use a second monitor for the itx system so you can use both system at once.
1. ITX with celeron/pentium, passive cooling, NO GPU, as low as possible wattage (sure you can't achieve that with 1200W PSU. Efficiency at 20W will be at around 30-40%). Purpose -> 24/7 NAS.
2. Your ultra high end gaming/transcoding station you run like 8 hours a day, heating up your room and stuff like that.
BUT, the case is overpriced, PSU is overpriced, and ITX bracket should be included with the case, or sent out free of charge to the owners of the case.
So the best use for this case is to sell it and buy good single system case and a standalone NAS, and still have some left over money.
That's basically exactly what I was thinking. My first thought was "sooo... does that 1200watt PSU have a low power mode for when only the small system is running?"
I've been trying to track down a dual system case for a while now for the exact purpose you listed. I'd prefer not to have another case..... and I just realized I'd be out of ports on my router. Suppose a switch is in order. Well shit.
I'm contemplating a very similar build. The itx system serving as Linux based NAS, Home Automation and media server based on a TDP limited 2400g cpu.
The other system would be a Threadripper 2 workstation for software development and image processing.
I'm still wondering how to really sync rgb lights and how to setup the coolers, which system will be in control? Or will I use a sata powered fan hub for the primary case coolers?
you could set up one system as dedicated rendering and file managing while using the other system for editing and other productivity tasks.
put the 12cm noctua fan in the middle instead of the front, it will have enough space i believe for the 12cm and you won't lose almost any cooling performance.
You could use a capture card and use one pc for gaming and the other for live-streaming your gameplay.
You could have a high end Intel and ryzen cpu system in each system and have it be one big gpu test bed. Therefore only having to swap gpus. Temperature may be an issue however but just an idea
Dmitry, you know what we want for Christmas? A videography and video editing course from you. You're a legend, man.
Water cool both systems and your clearance problem goes away. I am surprised you did not do this.
You can't color coordinate that unless you plasti dip or paint stuff but that's not a great option for fans. Just embrace it and use a solid side panel. Noctua fans are so quiet you can forget they're there. Good thing because when you remember how they look it really hurts.
I recon it looks great, and I much prefer big air coolers to AIOs - avoids noise and leaks, plus the performance of that big Noctua is as good if not better than many AIOs you can get whilst also being quieter. The only change I would make would be to flat out disable the green RGB's on the Titan. This is a really awesome build, and you have inspired me to look into the case. I currently rock two separate systems, with my main rig being an 8600k and 1070 and then I have a mini ITX running Ubuntu for a few bits of Linux software I need now and then.
You can offload rendering to the second system and have a shared nas
weaponize the top board (pfsense, kabana, and gaming... nice combo. With the increasing core counts applications like this becomes more deployable, reduce costs compared to what is needed now for cyber reactive measures and lastly footprint. Of course gaming while engaging cyber countermeasures is always a plus.
I had that small noctua cooler on a 6600k in my itx case, but it got too hot when gaming. I like noctua but for my case the big shuriken 2 rev.B worked alot better. It just fitted in so I advise people to take a look at that cooler for low profile.
Check the clearance with the ram though.
I would have used a 140mm (or 240 if it fits) for the ITX systeme
You can mount this aio to the top to keep your 3 intake front fans :D
Simple Render on the 9900K and game on the 8600K. Get a KVM Switch and all is well. You can also make a NAS (freenasbox) with the ITX and use the 9900K for all other work.
Other than that i would say do need a dual systems lol
Get two big monitors and install Synergy on both systems so you can view and control both without having to change inputs or use a KVM.
Use synergy to sync across screens so you can do lots of stuff at the same time.
A lot of the side cooling could be solved if filtered full or partial mesh side panels were a thing. That way you get airflow and you could see the insides.
Maybe use a 120mm AiO for the 8700K, 240mm or 280mm AiO for the 9900k and replace that Jedi Titan XP with a smaller card, GTX1080Ti Mini from Zotac maybe?
Brandon Kissol agreed
Like your suggestion for the 1080 Ti mini but for the cooler he just needs a 140mm AIO like the kraken which he has and be placed facing the top of the case. So as mentioned fresh air coming directly from the front
@@kingprettie01 maybe mount a 120mm or 140mm AiO on the back of the case where exhaust fan usually sits and for the top i can see theres room for a 240mm for the 9900K,front for intakes?
I'd be concerned about temps on the ITX as well. Probably a safer bet to do AIO's for both systems, and make the clearance issue disappear entirely.
This is obviously an extreme scenario having two high systems in one. Handy for someone who wants to work with two different OS's, would to interesting to have the micro ITX as a hackintosh or linux machine.
Heat rises, so an itx system below the atx might yield better thermals, or even to the front at the top.
A good use case would be to use the mitx system as a dedicated gaming pc and the atx system as a streaming/editing pc. Through an Elgato 4k60 Pro or an Avermedia Live Gamer 4k in the atx system, loop through the gaming feed or clone it and be on your way. If you had a bunch of drives in there the mitx could be a freenas like what Paul's Hardware is doing.
You can game while you are rendering or build a website or do something with after effects or you do accountancy.
I think liquid cooling for both cpus would help with clearance and cooling issues.
If you add an rtx Quadro to one, you could have one for gaming and one for production
It was a cool concept, but unless you do some custom water-cooling it seems a bit clunky with two systems. Let alone it hardly looks good with a side panel on it.
All in one Streaming PC. Maybe Even 2 players one streaming rig.
Can't use the pcie slot on the 2nd system.
Id like to see something along the lines of this, but 2 miniITX systems. 2 9600Ks? 6cores overclocked to 5ghz wouldnt bottleneck anything atm. 1 1080ti. Smaller case, silverstone has a 800w sfx psu. Youd be fine with a 128gb m.2 on the streaming pc. Main storage for the main pc and theres 2.5inch drives with high capacities. I wonder how smaller it would be while still having the gaming and streaming setup without performance loss.
I think I would have one system dedicated for multithread workflow and one optimized for single threaded workflow. So basically I could render or encode on one while gaming or doing more productivity on the other.
Thanks for your sharing of the cooling configuration , just almost finish the same dual system build, my MSI X570 godlike motherboard is only waiting for 3900x CPU.
Almost (but not quite) think it might be easier to go with a Threatripper 2990EX or Intel 9980XE then virtualize the machine with PCIe passthrough. But neat idea for sure, def interested in hearing about the thermals and hope it doesn't trip up your workflo.
i would use 2 aio with on both sides a cooler, saves space and dont heat the inside up to much cause u get a better airflow, in my pc i got 2 240 rads one in the front and 2 at the top with 4 coolers each, its very quiet
I would recommend using windows 10 pro's remote desktop connection with the second system as a dedicated rendering machine
using the itx space for a asrock c2750d4i and all 10 harddrives and 2 ssd (leaving another 7 ssd spots for the other system) would mean you could have a nas and a gaming rig in one system
I'd do 360 rad for main system and a 140 rad that goes on top or the rear for the second itx system.
Use one for video production and the other for gaming! If you want to start game streaming as well it's nice to have two separate systems for this as you are not loading the CPU or the GPU of the main gaming system.
you could also use the i5 as a render machine and the i9 as your main rig...
I'd love to hear a review on the power supply since you have been using this system. I've read mix reviews about this power supply but I need something that can run dual systems.
maybe running both cpu's with water cooling would help with the spacing
Delid & undervolt your 8600k. No way you can overclock with that cooler anyway. That should help at least a little bit on idle temps.
This case is perfect for streamers who have two different setups but want to save space. One giant system built for gaming - a smaller one built for streaming.
Now try to do it with the Phanteks Enthoo Elite. More spacious and bigger case that has the same ability to store two systems - with the power button for both on the front top! :)
Seeing this, I really wish Noctua would make a dual tower 120 mm tower. Like U12, but two heatsinks. And reintroduce the D14; D14V2. E.g. in a phanteks P400S, you cannot fit a D15, but a D14 is compatible
Dude how do u do the dual Dimitri thing teach Me your ways!!!!
one is dmirty.
Mask in Premiere Pro
two shots with the same lightiong and not moving the camera, split them down the middle and play
Dual Dmitry
wow Dmitry!! just yesterday i was watching Gamers Nexus review of Evolv X and i was thinking of how to build two system there and here you are doing it! AMAZING!😆😆
i wanna ask you few questions regarding your build:
1.regarding cooling options .. you couldn't go all AIO watercooling using that 360 rad for front intake for ATX mob and 240 or 280 rad at top intake or exhaust for ITX mob ?
2. can you please make a guide video of how to make this system set up useful for your content creation and for streaming ?
3. can you show us how did you manage to make both system work on same monitor? that was really cool! 😍😍
i really like the shots you took on this video especially when the light goes out that was AWESOME!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
keep your amazing work!!
Dremeti i guess you should upgrade the atx system to a custom looped watercooling system because in such tight space with 2 system will obivio effect both system and also upgrading to custom loop will bw fun ,,,,,,,,,,what do you think?????
Now make 2 in 1 with watercooling, the amount of Rads makes then sence at least, I think.
I'd wish you try to mount two AIO inside for the CPUs.
Could you mount a m-ATX board in the main system and mount the GPU for the second system horizontally? That would eneable very cool design options
I sure hope you still read the comments here, as I'll be building the same thing. :)
Could you tell me what the clearance for the mini-itx system cooler would be?
I'll probably be going for some Noctua fan to cool the ATX CPU,
and since i have an older i5-6600k (which I'll install in the ITX), I was thinking to leave the stock fan that came with it to cool it since it did an ok job before.
What do you think, would that work?
8:52 "So its not an ugly piece s***"
*Looks at those Noctuas*
scythe big shurken 2 is what you need for the itx
Neat idea! Question: why did you guys not go for a TR or an intel X? I know some of these programs work better with faster cores like adobe. If this is truly your editing rig, why the limit?
Watercool this puppy, cpu and gpu blocks, a 360 in the front and a 240 on the top, you’d gain on temps and noise. I’d put one loop to cool all of this.
So good to have you back
Why not just use water cooling on both CPUs. Use a 240 Rad mounted on the top next to the ITX for the ITX board. then a 360 rad for the ATX Board. Would make the system look cleaner. Less clunky, and temps would be better.
Get some Noctua chromax!! The best change noctua made to its line up.
I look forward to the temperatures reviews. The case is sold as a dual system. It therefore should be tested as one, and not as a single system.
*Tell me the best motherboard and case for Noctua NH-D15 cooler.* There should be sufficient space in the case and for *RAM installation* and a big GPU on the motherboard. I will go with *Asus or MSI RTX 2070 Super (3 fans).*
It thought of going with the case *Phantek Enthoo Evolv X* but I don't think that's a good idea with the big cooler.
I also thought of going with *Asus Rog Strix z390-e (Wi-Fi) motherboard* but I'm too confused.😕
My CPU is i7 9700k.
*Somebody help if possible...*
Gosh, that camera shot at 3:24!! So good!
the only way this would would make any sense is custom loop. those individual cooling systems only block or interfere with each other especially if you're running 2 very hot processors
I feel like Synergy would work really well with this setup, if you use two monitors.
How bout the cougar dual system case? Looks pretty awesome.
You could use the dual system for build streaming!