STACKED COTURNIX QUAIL CAGE - How to build an outdoor stacked quail cage

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  • How to build a stacked quail cage with a sloped manure tray system for easy cleaning. In this video I show how I built my new outdoor "bachelor pad" for my coturnix quail.
    1/2 inch coated hardware cloth: amzn.to/32fMRu2

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  • @cowtownokla
    @cowtownokla 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Hello Terry. Can you please give us an update on how this cage is working out for you? Would you make any changes to the design? Thank you.

  • @TheJonSpikes
    @TheJonSpikes ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone just lay in bed and watch this for the entertainment value?? Nah? Just me?
    Whatever, it bangs 🔥🔥🔥

  • @larrylyon3662
    @larrylyon3662 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this system, it's going to be my next project very soon

  • @awesomekoga7848
    @awesomekoga7848 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love your “how-to”videos! I’m thinking of setting up a small homestead from scratch and your videos are perfect! I plan to raise quail & chickens.
    You give off shop teacher vibes. You would have been a great teacher.
    Thank you for these videos and may you be blessed.
    💜💕❤️🙏🌈💜💕❤️🙏🌈

  • @jory6795
    @jory6795 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best tutorial I’ve found for a quail coop build. Thanks!

  • @machinegreen1911
    @machinegreen1911 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I finished my stacked cage build with egg roll outs last week. Thanks to your video.
    Everything went well and hanging the hardware cloth was definitely a learning curve.
    I'm now brooding 18 chicks.
    I'd like to send you some pictures but I don't see an email. Thanks for sharing Terry.
    You make a good instructor.

    • @hubertbardin
      @hubertbardin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What was your floor angle to allow the eggs to roll to the front? Thanks

    • @ajalicea1091
      @ajalicea1091 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hubertbardin I was thinking the same thing as you

    • @5ghomestead973
      @5ghomestead973 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You the way its designed, you can modify to do that. Plenty of room. I just built one today using his design. The next one I build will have my modifications to it.

  • @joeblow1934
    @joeblow1934 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a beautiful cage. Love the paint job.

  • @tunatown9128
    @tunatown9128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My first attempt at incubating quail. Have 11 so far this morning. Your channel is very helpful.

    • @acolley2891
      @acolley2891 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Congrats! I just finsihed mine. Please make sure your temp probe is inside. I accidentally cooked 70, yes 70, unhatched eggs (45 candled as full grown chicks on day 17). My temp probe fell out onto the floor and the incubator kept running. Not trying to scare you, but things like that can happen. I did get 50 hatched chicks out earlier that day though.

  • @joeferrari2893
    @joeferrari2893 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic work, thanks for walking us through the process.

  • @5ghomestead973
    @5ghomestead973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video!!! I have followed your design to a tee. Great template and will be giving some of my own twist to future builds. Thank you!!!

  • @lostinspace2780
    @lostinspace2780 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is an awesome cage! Well done. Several years back I built a roll around indoor cage using conduit for the 4 legs and attached the legs to the wire cages with adjustable clamps. I was able to create a cage setup in a very short time. I put wheels on the ends of the conduit so I could roll the cage rack around.

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like a nice project to try next time, thanks!

  • @christymartin9404
    @christymartin9404 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome! I need to build this cage & this video will really help. Thank you!

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glad you enjoyed the video :)

    • @reneebrown2968
      @reneebrown2968 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amen. I really want this cage. It can house my breeders and grow outs

  • @acolley2891
    @acolley2891 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is just awesome! You're the best Terry.

  • @jaymurray5790
    @jaymurray5790 ปีที่แล้ว

    that is a good looking cage, thank you for sharing it

  • @ryanleandro9414
    @ryanleandro9414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perfect Timing!!! I've been looking for a perfect build for my Bobwhite. Thank you so much!!!

  • @zachedmiston5475
    @zachedmiston5475 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice! I need to do one or two like this, for my corturnix and bobwhites

  • @cockeyedhomestead
    @cockeyedhomestead 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I did the tin roof/manure slope the same way on your other cage when I built it.

  • @rosehebrewable
    @rosehebrewable 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice! I make my cages with the slanted poop tray in front and I clean by using a squeegee and scraping it into a tote on a wheeled cart. When done I dump the manure/peat moss mess into contractor bags with holes punched with a screwdriver. This keeps smells, and flies down for the neighbors. I have a tray system on my brooder but am going to change it out to the scoop system because it is so much quicker and easier for the cleanout. If it rains though I would be concerned that the quail would get wet by wind driven rain without a wide top or canopy over it. They also will not be sheltered from winds. Not criticizing though as you made great cages and have helped so many people with your designs and you channel.

    • @rebeccajohnson1368
      @rebeccajohnson1368 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you mean by scoop system

    • @rosehebrewable
      @rosehebrewable 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rebeccajohnson1368 Scoop system meant that I like the scraping it towards me into a bin from the shelf under that wire floor with a squeegee. It is fast and efficient to clean that way.

  • @kingjsolomon
    @kingjsolomon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super helpful, starting my first brood of 50 eggs :) cheers.

  • @octbuos4904
    @octbuos4904 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I missed this tips of videos

  • @klalruatzeladotcom3635
    @klalruatzeladotcom3635 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really love the design. Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @sassafrasfarm2821
    @sassafrasfarm2821 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh. I just realized while writing the directions down that you said the last measurement on the long side backwards. It should be 64.5". Lol this happens to me all the time.

  • @jseitz1824
    @jseitz1824 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Ok Terry how about a combo cage that drops eggs in front and poop out back?

  • @maniyan_wanagi
    @maniyan_wanagi 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for all that you do and show.

  • @beckyaddis3459
    @beckyaddis3459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Looks great! I love the design. Did you say? About how many jumbo birds would fit?

  • @amosalleman5823
    @amosalleman5823 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info

  • @adamdaly5250
    @adamdaly5250 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and build as usual! Was working on a plan to modify Chris’ to make it a double decker. You just solved that and made it easier! Thank you very much!

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chris has a nice design, my niece built one of his cages.

  • @Pascosuburbanhomestead
    @Pascosuburbanhomestead 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just curious how this holds up in the wind?

  • @ucdchan
    @ucdchan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very nice! Love your detailed how to video. Do you have an update on how it’s holding up? Any design changes after it’s been in the wild for awhile?

  • @crippledtom1247
    @crippledtom1247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do youbhave a download-able pdf of the measurements?

  • @wilyartihoward2071
    @wilyartihoward2071 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic idea!

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

  • @inhocex
    @inhocex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should also design one for people who want to keep it outside but on a patio or balcony. I used your first design for outdoor and it doesn't work as well. I have a list of changes I would make for my second round.

  • @rondowda5639
    @rondowda5639 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @ljtminihomestead5839
    @ljtminihomestead5839 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Terry, I'm in new England, would love to see videos on winterizing outdoor cages.. our temps here are different. Ty

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I could probably do that, but I have no need for a winterized cage. LOL

  • @aaronturner273
    @aaronturner273 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Terry, do you have a cut list yet, I was pretty sure you said the connecting horizontal pieces were 60" but when its complete it looks alot longer than 5 ft.

  • @scottcobel5726
    @scottcobel5726 ปีที่แล้ว

    My question is why make the 1x2 inter shelf? Why not just brace the bottom 2x2? Because you cannot take out the inside tray for cleaning. Thanks

  • @veronicadeevers3246
    @veronicadeevers3246 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    please add in the no waste feeding directions plus auto water system directions.

  • @t-a9402
    @t-a9402 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful!

  • @solventtrapdotcom6676
    @solventtrapdotcom6676 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't think my neck and back can deal with something that short, but the general idea seems workable.

  • @TheRainHarvester
    @TheRainHarvester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:45 watch bird jump. :-)

  • @madmutt4757
    @madmutt4757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Terry, thanks for all the great content and insight you give us week after week. I love the idea of a sloping runoff for waste - I have a similar setup for my rabbit hutches. I was just curious to know how the white vinyl sheets were holding up to the urine/feces? I love that they are economical and easy to work with, but my concern would be that the waste may eat away at them. Has this been a problem for you?

    • @ajalicea1091
      @ajalicea1091 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking the same thing as you

  • @javierdomenech4370
    @javierdomenech4370 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice I'll be building one how many quails could be in the cage thanks

  • @jarodmorris611
    @jarodmorris611 ปีที่แล้ว

    So to harvest the eggs, it's just reaching in and getting them? I see many that slope slightly with a catch to collect the eggs.

  • @elbek139
    @elbek139 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Terry, can you please add hinge and latch size to the video description. Thank you very much!

  • @dlhayes9560
    @dlhayes9560 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Terry, what a great build. How many males and females can you put together in each one. Thank You.

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      About 36 - 45 birds per level. Thanks for commenting.

  • @littleone2601
    @littleone2601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you ever going to make a cut list like you have in the past?

  • @octbuos4904
    @octbuos4904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do plis a video of a day in a life of a coturnix quail farm

  • @catmandont100
    @catmandont100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She's a Beauty.

  • @sassafrasfarm2821
    @sassafrasfarm2821 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    New here. Glad I found this channel. Just what I was looking for. Is there a reason the doors swing up instead of down? I think I'm going to make something similar but with egg roll floor. And then put plywood on the back and one side to help give shelter for the winter.

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, that way the door always returns to the closed position if my hands are full or if I forget to close it.

  • @javierdomenech4370
    @javierdomenech4370 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Terry vinyl sign sheet could be used it cost around 4x8 10.00

    • @photochefs88k.15
      @photochefs88k.15 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What is the P/N for the vinyl sign sheet, very good deal!

    • @javierdomenech4370
      @javierdomenech4370 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@photochefs88k.15 they sell at vinyl signs or car wrapping

  • @hallowed
    @hallowed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How would i collect eggs with this build? Is it only for males? Thank you

    • @kcoker9189
      @kcoker9189 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it is, at the very beginning he called it a bachelor pad.

  • @stansobol1487
    @stansobol1487 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Terry. Awesome project. In link for coated wire it point to 1 inch square not 1/2 inch. Would you be able to provide link. Thanks again

  • @markmeier4206
    @markmeier4206 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome I enjoy your how too build so much more than the combined live videos with other quail guys! I need this cage! will a cut sheet be made at some time?

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I will have a cut list and drawings available soon!

    • @francinebrissey3985
      @francinebrissey3985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@CoturnixCorner where can we find the cut sheet and materials list?

    • @melhawk6284
      @melhawk6284 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@CoturnixCorner is the cut sheet out yet? I have been eyeing this for a while, and now I'm in a position to do it!

  • @benallaaiman5268
    @benallaaiman5268 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi there 😁 all your cages are awesome , can you recommend a stacked quail cage for outdoor wind proof cus I'm raising quail at my larg roof top

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Check out Slightly Rednecked channel, he has a heavy duty cage build on his channel.

  • @cl112688
    @cl112688 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How many birds can each cage hold? I am looking at building this cage design but may leave it as one layer but may also add a divider. I raised them as a kid but i am looking to get back into it. Your videos have been fantastic!

  • @edwinfai5910
    @edwinfai5910 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You didn't see how you build the eggs rolling out of cage house sir
    Have a nice day

  • @Longwinger
    @Longwinger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How many quail can you reasonably keep in these cages?

  • @LindaIBrown
    @LindaIBrown 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought about putting plastic netting on the floor but wondered if it would sag even with cross bars. I saw where someone sprayed Plastic Dip on the floor to protect the quails’ feet. I tried it with the cages I have. Have you used Plastic Dip?

  • @buckreynolds7475
    @buckreynolds7475 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you have any jumbo white

  • @हाम्रोलिखु
    @हाम्रोलिखु 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good

  • @thatbubbleguy
    @thatbubbleguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Terry, any issues with outdoor birds that high off the ground getting parasites? Lice, ticks, mites, etc? As always, a great, informative video! Thanks!

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've never had any problems with parasites keeping my birds outside. I do treat my cages every six months with Permethrin as a precaution against pest. Seems to work.

    • @thatbubbleguy
      @thatbubbleguy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CoturnixCorner Thanks, Terry! I REALLY appreciate your prompt replies!

  • @cristianocosta2518
    @cristianocosta2518 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like it, but can this cage provide the best conditions during winter rain and all the humidity? I think it needs at least protection in the sides...

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can cover any of the walls for protection from the elements. Where I plan on putting this cage ventilation is more important than cover. Good point, thanks for asking.

    • @cristianocosta2518
      @cristianocosta2518 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CoturnixCorner thank you for answering I will do some cages like that one just with more wood on the sides

  • @Bifrost_jt
    @Bifrost_jt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    To keep quail outside full time to they need an cover enclosure to stay out of the weather?

  • @marklewis8464
    @marklewis8464 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do u get your coated wire we are having trouble finding it thanks so much for your time and great videos

  • @mathewhunt81
    @mathewhunt81 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello sir, i live in Palmetto Florida and im thinking of building some quail cages for outside in my back yard. could you make a video of how to place it? obviously not in direct sun of course, but i mean will it need some sides to be closed for shade or is there anything i can do to help the quail out when its so hot outside? any experience with solar powered fans? i raised some quail before when i lived in california but had a protected area to put them there. here just backyard, wooden fence and a little shade that i can work with. what im asking is some advice for keeping quail alive in our high heat and humidity here in florida. thanks !

  • @randyboggess
    @randyboggess ปีที่แล้ว

    Hell sir thanks for sharing this great information. I’m trying to Lear how to raise quail and came across your channel and you get right into business.I live in Georgia do you think I can raise these birds in my carport? I want to keep everything Clean as you do, and how well does the wooden cages hold up to power washing?Thank you for your time sir.

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  ปีที่แล้ว

      I raise 300 birds in my enclosed carport. My wooden cages have been sold but are still in use today and get pwr washed on a regular basis. I keep then outdoors in the sun to make sure they are completely dried before bringing them back inside and putting the birds in.

  • @tedpruitt8691
    @tedpruitt8691 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's see, you said on the long piece measurements they are 31,45, 50 1/2and the last mark46 1/2??

  • @northspoonliving3977
    @northspoonliving3977 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would galvanized 3/8" x 3/8" wire flooring work, or would the manure not pass through?

  • @kmonnier
    @kmonnier 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That vinyl expands a lot in the sun. Did you have any issues with it staying in place?

  • @christinacollier1373
    @christinacollier1373 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing! Is there a supply list with measurements?

  • @HawkeyeTX549
    @HawkeyeTX549 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see no way for the birds to escape inclimate weather such as high winds. Great content though. I may use this design and box-in one end for protection since it will be outside.

    • @amyb5339
      @amyb5339 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use a heavy clear vinyl that I get at the fabric store on the 60" rolls hung on dowels in the upholstery fabric section. It completely blocks the wind while allowing all the light, to keep egg production up. I usually shield the N&W sides, and leave at least one side open for ventilation and warmer days. I am in zone 6b.

  • @jonleone777
    @jonleone777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one question. How in the world do you manage to find any straight 2x2s. I can not for the life of me.

  • @sandraboldiston6763
    @sandraboldiston6763 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, i have seen some videos where your birds are in a shed, as in this but you also have a cage outside, do those in the shed go out at all, do your birds get sunlight for their development, i see most videos in cages in sheds and i think they need sun for their vitamin D for their bones, or is it they have a short life it doesnt matter, cheers

  • @TheRainHarvester
    @TheRainHarvester 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are the winters warm where you are? how do you keep wind/rain from the birds? Thanks!

    • @TheRainHarvester
      @TheRainHarvester 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I started making a bigger version. Video is on my channel.

  • @amberstevens5802
    @amberstevens5802 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have a supply list and cut list? I want to build one Sunday. I love the 3 stack, but now need more pens.

  • @zeckmeme6079
    @zeckmeme6079 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What type staples do you use since they have to be removed to replace the wire over time? Thanks and the cages look awesome

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use 1/2 Galvanized upholstery staples.

  • @TheC920996mmkj
    @TheC920996mmkj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Terry. How often would you hose down the droppings? I am planning on using sheet metal for the sloping parts. Will the droppings stick to the sheet metal? I don't have quail yet, only rabbits.

    • @mgoodell76
      @mgoodell76 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is my plan too!! Getting ready to build. How has sheet metal worked for you?

  • @LindaIBrown
    @LindaIBrown 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about cheap linoleum for the poop tray?

  • @LindaIBrown
    @LindaIBrown 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about linoleum for the poop tray?

  • @Upinthegarden
    @Upinthegarden 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So they stand on wire?

  • @raymccarty4612
    @raymccarty4612 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any updates on how it worked out and a cut list?

    • @notsosimplelife4547
      @notsosimplelife4547 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      don’t hang the doors that way , doors need to open from the top or side, that way you will have both hands and you can caught or stop the quails from running out

  • @unityjohnson7105
    @unityjohnson7105 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you believe the average time to build this?

  • @bobcole3852
    @bobcole3852 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice cage build. Did you ever figure out total cost for materials? How do you decide how large to make cages and how many boys go in each one?
    I prefer to use drip pans, manure goes where I choose (compost pile) and we don't have BSF around here, too cold!

  • @lilyobligar5816
    @lilyobligar5816 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much did it cost you to make that particular quail coop?

  • @jackvanwinkle9846
    @jackvanwinkle9846 ปีที่แล้ว

    What gauge hardware cloth did you use for the bottom?

  • @angelolivolsi1492
    @angelolivolsi1492 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    battery drill 2022 !!

  • @markdandeneau2904
    @markdandeneau2904 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are big cages. How many quail can be kept in each?

    • @meanqkie2240
      @meanqkie2240 ปีที่แล้ว

      He answered another question with “36-45 birds per level.”

  • @alankordowski9317
    @alankordowski9317 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Terry, I'm going to be transporting 24 mature quail from breeder to my home by SUV. What do you recommend to transport them in?

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      An all wire cage works well as it provides plenty of ventilation.

    • @alankordowski9317
      @alankordowski9317 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CoturnixCorner Thanks for the quick response! Would a well ventilated cardboard box work?

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alan Kordowski as long as its well ventilated and maybe inside the vehicle with AC running. Quail put off a lot of heat especially when stressed. Good luck with your new birds.

  • @gwengriffy845
    @gwengriffy845 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Terry, how do they fair in cold weather climates?

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You would probably want to enclose the cage a little to provide shelter from the wind and cold. Here in FL we don't really need it.

    • @scottcobel5726
      @scottcobel5726 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or tarp it with a light

  • @dlhayes9560
    @dlhayes9560 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Terry, I was gifted a number of 2x2's that are pressure treated , are they toxic or safe to use to build a quail cage? Thank You

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those will work just fine, I use pressure treated lumber for my birds all the time.

    • @dlhayes9560
      @dlhayes9560 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CoturnixCorner Thank You Terry

  • @jesusalvarez9074
    @jesusalvarez9074 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    would you mind if i built and sold these

  • @babykraig
    @babykraig 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What this the Minimum height of a quail cage?

    • @CoturnixCorner
      @CoturnixCorner  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      All my cages are 12"

    • @babykraig
      @babykraig 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CoturnixCorner thanks

  • @bartavila7023
    @bartavila7023 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your wife

  • @chrislecky710
    @chrislecky710 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am i to believe that russia are the people who have retired at the age of 30? Or is the reality here that you just chat nonesense as suspected.. because you know full well any group you suggest HAVE retired at that age will be investigated extensively to see if your claim stands the test of time..