I agree with almost everything except your interpretation of what the Doctor would feel being told he wasn't a Time Lord (or her being a Time Lady in the moment in question). You're right to say he was never rose tinted in his view but he still always declared himself as a Time Lord, Defender of Gallifrey, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon etc. it very clearly meant something to him (you could do a super cut of every single Doctor declaring himself a Time Lord in one way or another and it would last a long time). In the same way I may roll my eyes at whatever the British government had done in the past or currently that I dislike I don't stop having a deep pride for being British (and I don't announce myself as British half as much as the Doctor announces himself a Time Lord). I also quite liked the not quite canon but sort of maybe hinted at triumvirate of Rassilon, Omega and "the Other" *cough* who could it be (Sylvester McCoy liked the more powerful idea and you see that echo'd in Tennent's more "I have the right to do what I want" moments - again hinting he is very much a Time Lord). But I loved all the other minutes of the 5hr extravaganza and very much enjoyed the animated step by step example of how to burn money the BBC seems to enjoy these days (certainly entertained me more than any episode produced in recent years).
The funniest thing about the Doctor telling Yas that the police won't believe her about the alien attack is...London literally gets attacked by aliens every other week in that show
@@johnhenry4844 Call me Overanalytic, but... is it all Coincidence? All the hyper-massive-overload-Trash-Quality we get? 'The Last Airbender' was just a total Failure that 'happened', so its to be assumed this very, very, very rarely just happens in the Film Industry. BUT then 2019 and later Years found a massive Increase of this. All these beyond-arrogant Creators create beyond-trashy Content... Mulan 2020, Artemist Fowl, and this and that and this-that... Pokemon, which is big enough, but Star Trek is even older and Doctor Who is EVEN OLDER! All this and more: Countless big Franchises are Burning. They are burning alive and i wonder if this is not literally the obvious Sign for Social Problems und Social Scars going throughout all Industrys. I almost wonder... is the Quality-Standart of this Planet going down?!? Odd Question maybe, but whats going on with Earth?
Seriously. I never watched the show but having the protagonist of a series out someone as a minority to the villains of the second world war with a one liner is beyond ridiculous. I cannot make a joke about ruining a character that is more absurd than what they actually did.
My Favourite trend in this era was that Graham being a bus driver comes up more times and is more useful to the group than Yaz being a literal police officer
Honestly, I think the FIRST time him being a bus driver helped out marked it being more helpful, as I literally cannot think of a single situation (literally not ONE) where Yaz being a cop helped the situation. Like they didn't even cuff an unconscious villain or anything at the end of an episode, which could have worked... (......and right after typing that I just realized that River's cuffs, possibly used for x-rated purposes, were used more during legitimate story moments than those that would have been issued to Yaz for actual police work..!)
@@jonathankozenko Which is weird cause cuffing is a legitimate precaution to take, especially when one is trying to determine if a person is even a threat. Let alone when said person IS a threat.
I also just love the subtle sexism that comes with changing a character from male to female and then the female version has no confidence in themselves, is nervous at things the character is used to dealing with, has wack surface level morals and seemingly more erratically and emotion driven behaviour, and worst of all is uncompassionate which is stereotypically a trait associated more with women. Just to be clear I don't think it was intentionally sexist, but I think Chibnall's perception of how a female doctor should be different from a male doctor might have contributed
it doesn't help that her TARDIS is extremely phallic, her screwdriver looks the most like a sex toy I've ever seen and the first thing she does is crash her vehicle
@@sirkiz1181 yeah, for example he probably said women love shopping so a woman doctor would like an intergalactic mega-corporation about shopping right?
You do have to cry a little at the fact 12s last words were reminding the next version of them of the basics “never be cruel or cowardly” “always try to be nice but never fail to be kind” and then 13 just kind of does the opposite most of the time
@@Chippaization hmm I think the Doctor only cares about their enemies dying if they are retreating. I think after the countless losses due to the time war I think the doctor abandoned the "do I have the right" thing a while back
@@bradDark6941 I think the newer and newer the become the less that's an issues and it's more about being 'quirky' although I lost interest in the series I'm not sure if they even made peace on the time wars and other stuff.
I was given a bike, and a hilly driveway to learn on. Mom went in and gabbed with her friend. Old man was working. learned the hard way. I can see now why practicing on a hill might have advantages. Like... not as badly scrapy scrapy when you crash down.
@@AC3handle I have a similar story. Back in Junior Year of highschool I was riding my bike back home and I had to go to through this road that was downhill. While riding down it I lost my balance and got absolutely wrecked, and I think it caused the nerves in my legs to hurt really bad when I walk wrong. The timing lines up but I never went to the doctors.
@@corenlavolpe6143 I learned to ride a bike at a friends house. The house was on top of a hill and had a really long straight road leading from its driveway to a main road. The road was bordered on both sides by barbed wire fencing, as my friend's family were farmers and owned some livestock. One time I decided to take one of their bikes to the top of the hill and ride down it. Seconds into the run I decided that I was accelerating far too quickly and pressed the brakes. That's when I realized that the bike didn't have any functional brakes and that I was running out of road before I hit traffic. To get off the bike before that happened I decided to throw myself off and to the side of the road. This of course meant that I was also throwing myself right into a barbed wire fence at high speeds. The barbs split open my arms and left me with scars that I still have 13 years later. Looking back, I was lucky that I didn't hit the fence face-first, and I don't even remember being in that much pain immediately after the accident. I think the adrenaline rush must have kept it suppressed for a few minutes. Consequently, I no longer ride other people's bikes.
Hills are actually a good idea- but yeah, maybe not with literal cliffs around. Grass is way better than a carpark though. I learnt to ride a bike on a grassy hill in the park, however it was filled with trees (and had a lake at the bottom)- luckily I didn't break anything but bailing was never fun. Would've preferred that bare mountain.
As an American, "Rosa" really annoyed me, honestly. Both for the reasons you mentioned but also because the story of Rosa Parks it tells is just blatantly untrue. It acts as if "if Rosa isn't forced to get up civil rights won't happen", when in reality she was part of a coordinated attempt at civil disobedience. If she hadn't been forced to stand, the bus boycott still would have happened, she was just chosen to be the face of it because of her clean record. The episode has this whole message of "tiny things build up to bigger consequences" (which directly contradicts the Doctor's feelings on the butterfly effect) and needs this story to tell that, when a more effective & honest telling of the story would have been regarding the inevitability of change when people are oppressed. Like I get it, even American children are taught a version of the story like this, but that doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.
@@AxolotlInMC it mostly is just whitewashing how bad the whites in the US were. Its a bit like everyone now "respects" Luther, even the politicians that are clearly racist... and the ignoring of Luthers message that the root of the problem is capitalism.
Yeah Rosa had literally been helping ED Nixon to try and find someone to be the face of the desegregation movement for ages before her arrest. The two of them actually met Claudette Colvin to try and escalate her arrest to federal courts, and she’d been thrown off a bus by the same driver who called the cops a few years beforehand; she was *deeply* involved in desegregation efforts Acting like she only stayed sat down because the bus happened to be full that day is the sort of narrative that people use to make civil rights activists seem passive and opportunistic when they were genuinely radical and super politically active
IF I had more faith in the writer, I would say that 13 is supposed to be getting senile or has had their brain tampered, and it's going to be a big arc to fix. As it is, 'tis just decent actors trying their damndest to work with horrible writing
@@Ashen.Elixer Imagine if 13 was actually some asshole like the Master (if it wouldn't fuckup the great sendoff that Missy had) who had their mind fucked with on one of their regenerations so that they were made to think they were the Doctor. So they go around trying to act like the Doctor and doing what they subconsciously consider to be Doctor things. But because they don't actually *understand* the compassion and altruism the Doctor exhibits due to their own lacking empathy, they instead just end up copying a bunch of surface-level traits with no nuance and absolutely botch the reals reasons the Doctor behaves the way they do. Imagine someone with such a moral mindfuck going through the motions as they gradually figure out the truth behind themselves, until they actually have to address the dichotomy and make an informed, complex moral decision about the type of person they want to be. This shitty idea I threw together in a minute has more depth than the last two seasons of Doctor Who. But since these hollow, cardboard characters have been dragged out for two entire seasons already, I'm not sure it's possible to redeem that much garbage with even the best possible writing from now on. Our only hope anymore seems to be that someone else will take over and ignore the whole thing, and these will become the two seasons that we don't talk about anymore and everyone pretends don't exist.
I feel like you may have overlooked something: Ryan not reacting to things is a strong character trait. As a TH-camr, he is aware that reacting to anything might mean he gets sued by The Fine Bros.
I wished there was more Videos fusing Humor and Learning together... oh wait, there ARE! Entire Channel like Some-More-News, Hbomberguy and Professor Dave!
Regarding the Doctor calling out Ryan for gunning down the sniper bots She tells him that guns are bad, and instead kills the bots with an EMP Thus, the principle isn’t that “killing is bad,” it’s that *guns don’t kill efficiently enough* I’m guessing that’s not what Chris Chibnall intended, but that’s what happens when you suck at writing
The same thing happens again in Spyfall Part 2, The Doctor yells at Ada for using a gun to shoot (just lightly grazing) The Master, then literally immediately after throws a grenade at him, in a room full of people. It's so bizarre.
I'm going to say something that sounds over-dramatic, so keep in mind that I'm 1. Jewish and 2. majored in Holocaust history This message, "guns are bad (because they're not effective)" is exactly the problem WWII Bad Guys faced when they conquered Eastern Europe: there are so many "undesirables" to uhhh get rid of, and forcing them to dig holes then stand on the perimeter of said hole and shoot them in the back is not very efficient, so they tried things like reshaping trucks so that the gas omitted from the engine goes into the back side, killing all the "cargo", but that wasn't great either since you can't fit that many people in the closed back of a truck and you have to actually take a ride for the engine to do its part, so they had to come up with a final, effective, solution. So yeah watering down the moral "life is precious and peace is possible" to "guns aren't Good At Killing" isn't a hot look on you Doc
That person who translated this entire fucking video into Korean, despite the fact that maybe 100 people at most will find it necessary, has my absolute and undivided respect. I may not understand any Korean, but I'll keep the subs on in your honour.
@@manjackson2772 at 1:49:25 the translation from Jay, to Korean, and then auto-translated back to english changed "get wrecked bitch" to "fuck you, grandma!"
“You must leave or we’ll have to stand over your corpses.” Imma use that one next time I gotta get people out of a burning building. It’ll make it clear that I have good intentions
I had to pause the video when Not-Trump shot the spider and said "this'll what will get me into the white house". I vote exclusively on giant spider based policies and this really agreed with my political stance.
Incredibly based I simply can’t stand the current standing political party in my country as they refuse to answer questions based on gun policies in reference to giant spiders as “that’s stupid and irrelevant” smh
@@BionicleFactory Just out of curiosity: Which side of the only worthwile partisan issue of our times do you stand on: Shoot the spiders - or starve the spiders ?
The way the 13th Doctor fails to respond to Gallifrey's destruction is beyond insulting. This is an event which previously had the Doctor screaming a vengeful rant so vicious that the last member of a species built from the cells up to be "the ultimate in racial cleansing" said he'd be a good Dalek. Setting aside everything we're told she's doing off-screen, this Doctor was more visibly upset at the prospect of her latest batch of companions leaving for good than the destruction of her entire home world.
The 9th and 10th Doctor's went through hell having to process that. And even thought the 11th and 12th seem to come to terms with the time war it still deeply affects them....
And even further, the Doctor spent 13 of their lives working towards a plan to save Gallifrey from destruction. And then when the Master completely undoes all of that off screen (and arguably desecrates the Time Lords with the Cyber Masters), she barely has a reaction.
@@peytonb2247Moffat, I think at least, did a lot of work to really bring Gallifrey back, and I think did a good job slowly bringing them back. As soon as they were back, we had one story on Gallifrey to end S9, and a mission to the Doctor from Gallifrey in S10. Gallifrey or timelords didn’t have to have a bunch of episodes in the new seasons, but doing nothing with it, then just killing them all AGAIN, RIGHT AFTER THEY JUST GOT BACK is absolutely stupid, and really bad writing. No matter your opinion on Gallifrey being back, it’s better to either try and expand on a post time war Gallifrey and how they’ve adjusted, or just not write a story about the Time Lords or Gallifrey, than it is to just kill them all off again, off screen, for only shock value, and adding NOTHING to the story outside of getting rid of a species that JUST GOT BACK? It is a complete waste of potential stories.
Chibnall: "I'm going to reinvent the doctor as a woman, so i can make her into a strong female lead" And then proceeds to write the weakest most childish doctor imaginable. I'm starting to think that Chibnall doesnt actually have much respect for women.
man its a minor nitpick but Ryan saying Grace was "the greatest woman i ever met" is so weird when you think about it. like, he's talking about the woman who raised him… wouldn't it be more natural to say she was "the greatest woman i ever knew"? again this is pedantic but i love how even the season's very first reveal/twist is awkwardly forced
Thank you for this. I couldn't quite figure out why the reveal felt off. Like I had this feeling that it was but I couldn't specifically identify the problem
now that you point it out i agree, i didn’t even realise before but despite it being a small thing.. idgaf i’ll be nitpicky all i like! it does really feel weird tbh
@@Nixahma yeah that's the point, they had to try and twist his wording into something that would make sense for the doctor, which ultimately did not make sense once the actual twist is revealed that he's not talking about her
Same Although not quite fair, with a movie you have to pay full attention to it the whole time, with a video like this I can have it in the background while playing Minecraft or something, or at work
Me: 4 hours?? That’s it, I’m never watching the Snyder cut. Also me: Let’s watch a 5 hour video essay about a show I never watched except for the one episode that gave me nightmares!
Remember that time the Tenth Doctor willingly sacrificed himself for a human, even when the battle was ALREADY won? Now we have the Thirteenth who will let a human die IN HER PLACE to win HER battle... it's just not the same character anymore.
In fairness most doctors tend to have people sacrifice themselves for the doctors causes, in the sontaran two parter, a human sacrificed himself for 10 to stop the sontarans
the sad part is, a version of the doctor that's so tired of having death on their conscience, even enemy deaths, that they're willing to do arguably worse things to their enemies to avoid having more could have been an interesting take on the doctor. sadly, that would have required the show to actually acknowledge that the doctor isn't the moral center of the universe and that there are things that are worse than outright killing
@@charlesiiofengland3608 Not really. When 10 gave those eternal life punishments to the family of blood, it was implied that he was doing it because he was very angry and that those fates would be worse than death, not because he was afraid of having blood on his hands. Meanwhile this hypothetical 13th doctor could do that not out of any personal feelings of rage, but because she just doesn't want to deal with the mental strain of blood on her hands
exactly, immoral pacifism is a really interesting concept and one that is rarely ever explored despite what makes it possible(fates worse than death) being relatively well explored
The worst part of the Timeless Child thing is that it DOESN’T EXPLAIN where she came from. She wasn’t created by experimenting or selective breeding or even magic, she was FOUND as an existing person (who should’ve been old enough to say how she got there, who her parents are etc) who already could regenerate. Is she the only one or just a member of a species with that trait? Who knows? Not us! And probably not Chibnall.
"Let me explain everything by not explaining anything at all!!" The worst part is that it COULD have worked (not the "timeless child" crap, but introducing half a mystery) if the Doctor then turned around and said, "Wait! I must now embark on a quest to FIND MY PEOPLE!" or some nonsense, but she just "🤷 Meh! I'll focus on obsessing over my previous lives for like 5 min then forget it all next season."
@@JhadeSagrav The Timeless Child works so much better if you pretend that the master is just fucking with the doctor, and what *actually* happened is that the first doctor learned the truth about the timless child, grabbed his granddaughter, stole a TARDIS, and ran. It even plays into what the first doctor said about why he travels in the last episode before the chibnal era.
Here's an idea that could have made it work. Remember when the doctor rebuilt the universe with the pandorica? They should have implied that subconsciously the doctor rebuilt it wrong. Have small things now and then that don't match up with the doctors memories. Then when we find out about black lady doctor, we as an audience realise it's something from the doctors past that changed this time. Eventually the timeless child reveal is the doctors desire to make the other time lords more like him. This version of history played out because of the doctor rebuilding it, and it explains why the baby appears through a breach.
@@LimblessAnt I really do want to but I don't know anyone in the industry and I am only good at patch writing. Not so good at full scripts and stories which makes it hard to apply. It's nice to hear though, I do these sorts of changes for a lot of things XD
This video didn't just make me realise just how much I hate series 11 and 12, and why... It made me realise how much I truly adore Doctor Who when it's at it's best.
In all honesty i think Doctor Who needs to END. NOT forever, but i strongly feel in order to save this franchise, the series needs a hiatus, a long while off air, so that people can be given time to just forget about it and gradually start to miss it. This would force those who are currently damaging it to just go away and move onto other things. Then allow times to change yet again, for all this woke/sjw mentality to die down and gradually fade away. And then you will find some truly visionary and "Creative" will come in, and breathe new life into this series.
"Oh hey Janice, I had no idea you were having a baby, when's it due?" "Oh I'm not pregnant I just put on some weight" "CHARACTER TIME IS OVER, TIME FOR PLOT" "Jesus Frank, not again" "SORRY JANICE, BUT I'M BEING WRITTEN BY CHRIS CHIBNAL"
Arachnids in the UK establishes that the mutant spiders have spread out from the hotel and are in various places in Sheffield. The episode ends with them getting rid of all the spiders in the hotel and then leaving job done. There are still giant spiders capable of killing humans (as seen earlier in the episode) all over the city.
I mean that's not the worst of it. They establish that the Queen is too big to breathe. So they are aware and introduce that concept. But in reality with our atmospheres current oxygen content, every insect bigger than a tarantula would be unable to breathe. That's why there aren't any. If you want me to suspend my disbelieve, don't bring up the very thing I'm meant to ignore!
@Innocent Jogger (curled in fetal position slowly rocking back and fourth under the writing desk) : "orange man bad, orange man bad, orange man bad" this is how I picture just about every trump character in media, ever, being written.
arachnophobia is one of the most common phobias in the world. at least one of those people would’ve freaked out over a normal spider. no human would be that chill around spiders the size of dogs and cars. only the doctor would be arguing for them not to be killed immediately. and only because there’s no spider queen speaking english telling him directly “my children will kill every person on earth”. when spiders do that, the doctor kills everything in the closest river to insure newborns looking for a 1st meal never see the light of day. and am i the only one wondering why none of those brits questioned the random american with an underground armory in a hotel in the north of england? yas is a cop right? hand guns are illegal in england right? random foreign tourists and businessmen don’t get to bring their traveling arsenal abroad RIGHT?
I think that the Timeless Child thing would have been way more interesting and worked way better if the Master was the Timeless Child. It explains why they’re so angry (“They stole this from me!”) and you can have a scene where the Doctor talks him down and sympathises with him. (I’d also have Ruth be the Master pretending to be the Doctor, using an altered Chameleon Arch or something)
If the timeless child arc had to stay, my choice would've been susan. That said, s12 would've been better without TTC, the master or gallifrey at all. end it with just ashad and the cybermasters
Hey remember the epic ending of The End of Time where the Doctor has a gun on the Master and on President Rassilon and the Doctor's Mother reveals herself and gestures in a way to show the Doctor the third option that doesn't involve murder as she sheds a tear? Guess she wasn't his real mother and that moment wasn't as touching as it seems because the Doctor is super special awesome and not related in any way to those Time Lord freaks.
"If you really don't want a nuanced story then... write a story about a villain who enjoys killing puppies!" But what if those puppies pushed their mother off a cliff?
Epso: I learned at a very early age to not trust anybody, even my own mother. Also Epso: *Falls asleep on a boat, on a lake of acid, surrounded by complete strangers, one of which is a woman who would greatly benefit from his death, and doesn't like him in the slightest*
To be slightly fair, that woman can't kill him or she won't get the prize money either. But in general, you are completely right. She could promise half her prize money to somebody else to do it for her.
@@4203105 if Ryan actually had a character that was consistent with his lines that could have made an interesting conflict with him wanting the money or whatever
@@nickbrough8335 is it a cultural thing to want wealth? I assume most people’s in most parts of the world that aren’t like very very primitive like those natives on islands want some form of monetary status or wealth
You were talking about how none of them really reacted to having a bomb planted into their bodies and it got me thinking about the older stuff. Donna is my personal favorite companion I love her. she is so incredibly funny and charming and Catherine Tate does great playing her. Imagine if Donna Noble got a bomb planted into her body. I'm not anywhere near a professional writer but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't take it lying down. And if The Doctor told her to be quiet while they think? They'd probably need to regenerate again because she would kill them. Just imagining that scene highlights even more how little these characters are given.
Wait, no. You’re forgetting that something incredibly similar DID happen to Donna in the Runaway Bride, which was ALSO HER FIRST EPISODE (if you don’t count Doomsday). Lance was filling Donna up with Huon particles, which are what triggered her to be transported into the TARDIS. The Doctor explains that there are particles within her, she doesn’t know what they are, but the Doctor keeps rambling about, in her eyes, things that aren’t irrelevant or important, ie. not relating to her personal safety. So she DOES slap him. After that, the first thing she asks is if she’s in danger. The Doctor then lies so she won’t worry (maybe because he knows the particles are more active when the host is stressed, which you would be if you found out you were gonna die, or maybe just to be kind, who can say?) but she figures out that she probably is and makes him tell her the truth. When he tells her they’re deadly, she has an actual normal human reaction, both physical and vocal, and we don’t get to see it for long because the Racnoss Empress announces herself, but also because the Doctor actually reassures her that he’s going to do something to fix it and reverse the damage, promising her she won’t die, rather than letting her worry without saying anything at all or being vague about it (unlike 13). I’m genuinely surprised Jay didn’t bring this up, it’s such a similar concept with the introduction of a companion and their reactions to finding out there are alien components in them that could be life threatening.
the odd thing is when i got to that part of the video i imagined donna being in this situation too, probably cause she’s my favourite! just think that’s a neat coincidence
I read the sentence "Imagine Donna Noble with a bomb in her body" and I could faintly hear her ranting in the back of my mind with that affronted and upset tone she uses lol
The thing that bugs me is that The Fam live in a world where they, people from Britain, casually know the name of the bus driver who kicked Rosa Parks off the bus when that isn’t even common knowledge here in the US, but hear the name Nikola Tesla and don’t even come up with “you mean like the Elon Musk car?”
GOD even hearing about that episode hurts. What really gets me is that the Doctor has such surface-level understanding of Tesla's best works. The writers need to be given a five hour lesson on what Nikola Tesla was able to achieve. ALTERNATING CURRENT is a goddamn superpower that multiplies power transfer efficiency that the way we're advancing past that one achievement is by using 2010-2020 cutting edge semiconductor technology to make non-AC transformers using switching. They didn't need to make up stuff like drones or Wi-Fi, which Tesla started on but didn't really make like that. Fuck Wi-Fi too, Tesla wanted to beam the power straight to homes via man-made thunderclouds. Which, I'm pretty sure, you could have easily made a Doctor Who episode about sentient thunderclouds delivering free energy from heaven or something cool. But no, they did a "fuck Edison" without doing a full on War of the Currents.
It was a poorly realised doc-drama (the sort that the History channel does) with the Doctor and fam inserted to ensure that Rosa actually did what she was supposed to do, whilst completely ignoring all of the real story., which is a lot more complicated and involves deliberate political choices.
@@afelias Tesla's story is fascinating in itself (why did the US government take his documents and work in progress when he died?). Tesla had ideas for unlimited free energy without pollution or nuclear waste. The electricity generation industry and the oil industry were petrified. Did they lean on the government? How did Tesla die? Why was Tesla forgotten about for decades, while comparative failure Edison had a biopic made about him? This was a hugely disappointing episode in a series of disappointing episodes
@@afelias It honestly seemed like they saw one of those "Tesla Genius, Edison Bad" tumblr posts or something the night before. And then the next day had nothing to pitch so just pitched the post
@@nickbrough8335 Chibnall’s a neolib who doesn’t believe in the power of collective, deliberate activism in the face of injustice and thought Rosa parks wouldn’t be ‘relatable’ if he portrayed her protest as what it actually was: a preplanned, deliberate act of self-imprisonment in protest of a wildly unjust law.
“my dad taught me how to hijack cybermen ships when i was four” hits like “i dropped out of 4th grade to run drugs to support my nan”. it shouldn’t be possible to compare doctor who to RIVERDALE
Yeah, that’s probably one of the most retarded shows I’ve ever heard of, and the competition is stiff in that area. I’ve seen a lot of stupid shit being made these days.
Who would win: a warship developed by one of the most technologically advanced species in the universe who have taken over galaxies, traveled across the multiverse and fought wars across time and space. Or a 4 year old?
I do find it hilarious that they cast the first female Doctor, applaud themselves for being progressive, and then proceed to make her neurotic, controlling for no good reason, anxious, and unfunny. Well done, lol.
Just less than half an hour in you’ve made me realise that perhaps the TARDIS team wasn’t overpopulated like a lot of people say, it’s just that the population was flat and 2 dimensional. If they’d followed established character traits and grown organically it might’ve been no issue that there were 3 companions.
a good writer could certainly have done it but its very clear that whoever wrote the script didnt write it in terms of "graham, ryan and yaz" but in terms of "companion1, companion2, companion3"
Feels overpopulated because there's barely enough characterization for one character and it's now split into three. Amy and Rory didn't feel overpopulated when River hopped in periodically. Each was a CHARACTER, not PLOT DEVICE.
Jay litterally could have divided this in 20 minutes parts and have regular content over 6 months But putting a 5 hours video is just so... establishing dominance
Who in their right mind, suffering from a self-coordinating disability, decides to try and learn how to ride a bike on uneven, mountainous terrain and metres away from cliff edges?!
same person who, suffering from a coordination disability, decides to run into a group of hostile killer robots with no backup after picking up a weapon they're completely unfamiliar with. holy shit we found CONSISTENCY! his characterization is that he's an idiot.
@@thomasb7347 and yet it’s probably more likely it was set there just so he could throw the bike down the cliff and have to go fetch it(for some reason he goes way too far into the woods when he does), therefore separating him from Grace and Graham.
The most frustrating part of this is the fact that Jodi Whittaker is a fantastic actress and I was genuinely excited when she was announced to be the next Doctor.
I think that even if the writing were better she'd still lack the range and experience to play the character. The Doctor requires a depth of performance that she just isn't capable of. There's a lot of actresses who could pull it off, but she's not one of them.
The Doctor becoming a girl was the end of it because all the assumptions and brain break down that makes you want to make the doctor a woman infect everything else in the show.
@@iflipandtumble Yeah, but I don't remember her being in it. Must have been an extremely lacklustre performance. Coleman was great. She could have played the Doctor well, even with terrible writing and direction.
I still haven't gotten over the fact that the Time Lords put the Doctor through unfathomable torture for several BILLION times longer than the human mind can even begin to comprehend and she comes out of it basically going "ugh guys I'm so done with u omg" and then they lie to her about giving her a forget pill one time and she can't comprehend how they could do something so terrible.
I guess you could chalk the billion years of torture and the End of Time events up to Rassilon being behind those instances and generally being a prick but The Deadly Assassin and Trial of a Time Lord extends it to other Time Lords too.
I know literally nothing about Dr. Who But I have been watching Jay for years soooo I cannot wait to watch all 5 hours in one sitting Update: I’ve seen the whole video and I’m glad to say I vehemently enjoyed it. Jay did an excellent job of making it so those without context can still enjoy and learn from his criticism. I actually kinda wanna see some Dr. Who now; it’s seems super great (referring to past series of course)
Same here. Seen like half an episode air on TV when I was like 10. Got bored and confused since it was in the dead middle of whatever season, and never saw anything else directly.
Same. Given how much she slaved away on it and the amount of technical issues she had in the process of even rendering this vid I feel morally obligated to support this even if I'm entirely lost lmao
Theo only thing I know about it is that there’s a new doctor every time each series ends and that there are robots called dollocks. Oh and that Doctor Who has been around for a long time.
It's because Donna was Show And the fam. Was tell. Yea we saw em but they just talk what they do or feel. Everything also happened in a day. Why not show Yaz being a good copper and going above her current rank. She's committed and some of the public enjoys her presence and think she deserves better. Maybe she hasn't won but she's curious. Graham and Ryan could have a moment where ryan needs space, but grahm has a potential danger and Ryan needs to step up. Show he cares for grahm but mainly because his grand luvs him. He's still uneasy and they go their esperate ways because Ryan's friends called him for previous plans made. He feels a bit uneasy about leaving because of what just happened but his grand says. They'll be fine. He can go. The rest of the episode plays out. Yaz is somewhat nearby the onion because she's snooping within her jurisdiction and when she hears the call. She says she'll handle it. (it'll buy her time to keep searching around.(for whatever reason it is she's snooping, I didn't make one rn tbh it's irrelevant rn) She carries on and finds Ryan and his friends. They leave because coppers lame and say they'll be at a café(they already took picks for the vine) so it's just Yaz and Ryan talking and Ryan is uneasy about getting near it. Yaz laughs because she thinks he's stuntin for a secret cam he set up. Hes a bit frustrated but Yaz decides to believe him. She knows what it's like to not be respected by others. Eventually shit plays out. Ryan and grahm fight because his gram almost dies on a train. She scolds Ryan for blaming grahm for that. Grahm feels old but fights to defend that he still has his strength and energy. Doctor steps in saying she's over 1000 years old. They all just turn like what. Is she on drugs. Yaz steps in and tries to follow protocal but things get out of control. Doctor steps up. Defends them from the tentacles. A person dies. Yaz freaks out. Calls it in. Starts having a panic attack. Doctor helps calm her down. Gives some foreshadowing about what it's like losing a person. Ryan and grahm look at each other passively. Gram hugs em both and says you see. You do care about each other. The plot carries on. Tbh ima stop here. I'd keep going but I'm not an official writer dx just had a fun idea pop in.
Donna was so relatable. The first half of her first episode I hated her until I realized I would be her. One of the most real human characters in the newer series by far.
@@able3331 And they weren't afraid to give a female protagonist unlikeable traits. Nowadays, every woman is the bestest. Part of why everyone loves Donna is her foibles.
Locking up the spiders in the panic room during Arachnids in the UK is even worse than you acknowledge in this video actually. The episode states explicitly that they don't stop growing until they die even if continuing to grow means inevitable paralyzation and organ failure due to the fact that spiders are fundamentally not built to be able to *be alive* at such sizes. This means that the spiders locked up in the panic room, since they have ample amounts of food for at least a good while, will not "simply" die from starvation. They will *keep growing* just like the queen did, but since there're a *lot* of them (dozens upon dozens) locked up in that small enclosed room, they're going to rapidly run out of space to grow. Some will die of starvation, some will die of slow and agonizing organ failure, but the last ones will probably end up dying from *running out of space to grow in and consequently getting slowly crushed to death against their siblings' corpses because they can't STOP growing.* Worst case scenario, someone's eventually gonna open up the panic room' again to see what's up and find a perfectly room-shaped cube of crushed-together gigantic spider corpses filling it from top to bottom, wall-to-wall. So yeah, in terms of "most horrific cruelties happily endorsed by the 13th Doctor" it's way up there close to the eternal ceaseless torture of Onion-man.
That's still not mentioning that spiders generally don't do very well in close quarters with one another, which is why they can't realistically be farmed. So you've got a room full of very unhappy creatures continuously growing and eating each other until they get too big to move and they die from organ failure or being crushed. Maybe they should've just shot them
Thank you young person. I have loved Doctor Who ever since I discovered it during the David Tennant era and became a massive fan. . .until the Chris Chibnal era. I actually stopped watching for a couple of years. I watched the first Jodie season - and some of the next one but I couldn’t even figure out why I disliked it so much. I just had no desire to watch. I’m 75 - so there’s that I suppose. You, on the other hand, have made everything clear. I feel chagrined that most of what you explained had gone right over my head - but I knew the Doctor now made me uncomfortable. I thought it was the whole Timeless Child thing - but now I realize that Chibnal’s Doctor is not the deeply moral individual I had come to love so much, she is nice but not often kind as opposed to the other way around. I have enjoyed this exposition very much. And I spent most of the day listening to it. Retired, you see - so plenty of free time. Thank you.
I’m 17 but I have had the same experience - I was really into the Tennant and Smith eras, and have watched many of the Eccleston reruns on TV. I missed most of Capaldi and decided to try out the first few episodes of the new doctor… everything seemed very off, cold and overt. It just made me uncomfortable and unintrigued so I gave up pretty fast. I agree, this guy really summed up spot on all the reasons why it was so unenjoyable compared to the others we watched! :)
Rule of thumb: it's better to have contrivances get characters _into_ trouble than _out of_ trouble. It's realistic for bad luck to happen, but it feels cheap for good luck to nullify character's actions. ...not saying the contrivances are automatically better if they get characters into trouble, but audiences tend to be more forgiving as it doesn't _lower_ stakes.
Good luck / miracle resolutions to episodes can work, and are sometimes the best option, but it all depends on the thematic framing. For example, shows that are entirely based in character and deal with faith and ideology can afford to have 'miracle' endings because you feel like they deserve it. In Doctor Who, the Doctor has never deserved the happy ending so it rarely works. I honestly do prefer the contrived endings than some of the "oh I'm just god now okay" endings that were littered around in 10's era.
@@tTaseric I'd argue there were definitely times the Doctor DESERVES a miracle, but the universe is rarely so kind or fair which is i think something of a theme for who.
This makes sense, if something contrived happens to get them into trouble you can write it off as a coincidence. Since the doctor is so old, coincidences will happen to them, we just don't see the episodes of when it doesn't happen. The odds of a coincidence happening that gets them out of the trouble they already happen to be in are much smaller
@@DraakjeYoblama Clarification, it's _really_ bad writing if you've contrived reasons for _both_ the cause and resolution of a specific conflict. But if you have to choose one or the other, audiences will more likely forgive a contrivance starting a conflict than they will a contrivance ending a conflict, as the latter undermines the stakes and takes away potential gain from said conflict, rendering the entire conflict meaningless, whereas the former does not cause as much lasting damage. That's not to say the former doesn't have its fair share of criticism (idk how many stories I've seen where "character tripping on rock" leads to the entire bloody story happening because they stumbled upon a tomb or touched something they shouldn't touch or whatever) but it's in general better to have the cause, not the solution, be the ass-pull.
4:08:33 Another thing to note, the 'fam' had less of a reaction to finding out most humans are killed off in a genocide by the cybermen then that time the Doctor accidentally revealed to a WW1 officer that there is a second world war on the way. "What do you mean, One?"
I've always wondered... As a person with dyspraxia, do you often go tomb raiding on desolate alien planets with a person who has a doctorate, a police officer that accused you of illegally transporting vegetables, and your father-in-law who abused you over your dyspraxia but everyone around you tells you thats just love? Oh yeah, and for some reason you've never heard of Rosa Parks. Is this all common for someone with dyspraxia?
Another issue with the show's writing is the line around 3:03:20 "I offered him a 10 buck raise" Implies that Edison is a cheapskate. The problem is that most people made less than $1 per hour in that era so a $10 raise would be a godsend.
So I don't exactly know when it was set but I just took 1890 as an example and holy shit, that's about 32 dollars which make about 320 dollars today. That's a pretty insane amount.
@@joeedwards4340maybe that's what they were thinking, since that's the only way to make him look cheap. But most people weren't paid a yearly wage back then, so it's kind of an odd thing to say. Plus, $50000 is over 1.6 million today, so it's not actually too far fetched that this could have been a genuine cultural misunderstanding, of Edison being hyperbolic.
according to tesla's journal, it was the company manager that originally promised the 50k, not Edison. Additionally, Tesla was making $18 a week at that time, so a $10 raise was quite significant
I just came back to say that, when the doctor says “I need to lay down the law if you’re new” after that she literally says: “don’t quote that back to me, my rules change all the time” and it’s honestly criminal that you didn’t use that part because of the sheer milage it’d give you.
having the doctor literally say "the systems arent the problem" straight at the camera in a doctor who episode with a genuinely engaging premise, thus shooting dead any hopes of even vague moral depth and complexity in the chibnall era, made me want to punch a hole in my tv
...I am so lucky I stopped before this I thought she'd be the 'like 11, but more: childish curiosity than childish wonder, and no significant hard side which she will have to learn to regain and incorporate season by season' basically the idea would be that the doctor tried to have a more wonderous time with his 11th incarnation, but the universe wouldn't let him, so the doctor is doubling down on that 'curious explorer' bit when she becomes 13, this results in being a bit too trusting and having a less nuanced and more flexible morality and less foresight (as one might expect from a more child like mind set, and this also would handily explain why 12 had to leave a message saying be a decent person: children need moral guidance and reinforcement, even the inner child) which results in the bidirectional learning dynamic between doctor and companion to shift more heavily in the companion's side because the doctor is basically an overly trusting know-it-all ...I was so, so, so wrong
"The system isn't the problem, they way people exploit the system is the problem" - The Doctor Wow, that almost sounds like propaganda. Don't question the way things work, it's just bad individuals.
It's both true but it's also not. Systems can be very beneficial or very exploitative/harmful by design. However, it also depends on the individual(s) leading said system(s). A genuinely smart and caring person can lead an otherwise harmfully built/oppressive system in a way that makes it good/less bad. However, a psychopathic tyrant can corrupt even a good system and run it into the ground or turn it extremely cruel. As Jay says in the video, in the Kerblam episode, both sides are wrong, but we are expected to accept one as right. The terrorist is killing innocents to combat exploitation by the system and the system kills an innocent to combat the terrorism perpetrated by the terrorist. What I find hilarious is that the Doctor's speech at the end flies directly into the face of modern woke narrative, since modern progressives love to posit that systems of governance and power are all based on oppression and are therefore evil. Does Chibnall not know what team he's playing for, do you think?
@@darklord884 Sure, I agree that systems can be bad, and individuals can be bad. I guess what seems to be clearer (from this video) is that Chibnall and Dr Who aren't particularly 'woke' or progressive. It's just neoliberal virtue signalling with little of meaning to say. It's team centrist, wanting mild or superficial improvement only. That's just my opinion anyway.
@@coolbanana165 Certainly seems that way. I don't subscribe to the 'woke' side either way, but entirely faking an ideology just for brownie points is foolish and as we can see, destructive when applied to art.
The Spider-Nonsense makes me real Mad because the T-Man (not the Doctor Who Version) is indeed a Clown and an Issue - but this Episode is so ridiculously badly written that its used as an Argument to ask "Oh, so Anti-Trump-People are like 'this', eh?"... ...Chibnal has no idea he actively gave Trump Support with this Episode... ...
It's kinda funny that Onion Boy's corrupted teleporter transported him perfectly on the ground of another planet, but the Doctor's teleporter, built with a purpose, just dropped her off in the middle of space
This doctor reminds me of Dee from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. In the beginning, the actress complained to the writers that she was being written as the boring straight man, and they admitted that they didn’t really know how to write for a woman. So she told them to just write what they’d normally write for a man and she’d just play it. Her character improved dramatically. That’s what this doctor feels like. They aren’t writing the doctor, they’re writing A Woman.
I stopped at the Moffat era and I can't believe Chinball managed to drive the writing into such deep pits of crap. "Wait, the Doctos is trapping aliens in a room to starve?" "Wait, the Doctor is straight up killing a human she already neutralized and who can't do any harm anymore?" "WAIT WHAT THE F--K THE DOCTOR IS LITERALLY HELPING YAHTZEES PERPETRATE A HATE CRIME?"
It's amazing how much of the "fam"s dialogue is completely interchangeable, like it could easily be said by any other of them, or just written as one companion.
I'm convinced if you gave someone a script for any of the Chibnall Era episodes with all the names redacted, they wouldn't be able to tell which companion was saying what for the most part. It's like they just write all the dialogue first, and then throw darts at a list of names to decide who gets to sayw hich line.
Yeah, that was my main complaint. They have no flavor! This is after both RTD and Moffat always put a lot of work in making the new companion make a memorable impression, be cool, have a story in their own right.... It should be easy to give them flavor when you have 4 characters, just make them contrast. Make one an optimist & another a pessimist, make one reckless and one cautious... etc. my 15 year old self could have done better!
This five hour youtube rant is a hundred times more entertaining, thought-through, well-written and directed than the professionally produced renowned tv show it criticizes
I'm really happy I didn't have to scroll too far to find this comment. I stumbled on the channel and now I am confident this time will be better spent here than attempting to suffer through the last two seasons
What really blows is how cool it could’ve been, Jodie seems really fun as An actor but was given the worst script imaginable. My dad and I had the same complaints through the era was the writing. Only the writing. It really sucks that people use the women doctor as a scapegoat, hopefully this doesn’t dissuade BBC from doing another one.
Right! I really loved Jodie's doctor but just couldn't with the cardboard that where the companions, but we know that BBC will refuse to do another female doctor in the near future, maybe the 100th anniversary if we make it that far?
@@applejones1697 Dr who has always taken risks with the kinds of stories it tells but casting a woman as a doctor was something many people wanted, not really a risk. Its just a shame the writing is awful.
@@applejones1697 Dude, a TON of people were asking for a female Doctor after the Master's regeneration proved it was possible. I doubt it even would have happened without so many fans expressing interest.
The timeless child feels like another example of genetic determinism and moral binaries. Time Lords are bad, the Doctor is good, therefor the Doctor is not a Time Lord.
According to articles after when the episode first came out, the Timelords' exploitation of the Timeless Child and taking her regeneration gene and taking over Gallifrey represents colonialism. They destroyed a lot of history in this long running series to make a subtle comparison a lot of people didn't pick up on because they were too blown away of how the lore was being messed with. It gets a little more fucked up when you think about it. Because of the Timelords, The Doctor grew up having a rather normal life on Gallifrey save for his rebellious streak as mentioned in the video that led him to stealing the TARDIS. Because of this, it leads him to his adventures seen in the show's running. Due to these adventures, The Doctor has repeatedly saved the Earth/Galaxy/Universe/Timeline several times over and is a true hero. So...if the Timelords didn't colonize Gallifrey, there would be no Doctor to stop all of these events and save people. The Timeless Child would have just sat there doing...something. She can't do much else without the technology and knowledge she would gain access to from the Timelords. Did this show accidently argue in favor colonialization?
@@pumpernickelrye9736 I think in the original version of Doctor Who(Prior to this clusterfuck of an episode and "reveal") The Time Lords that could regenerate were a select few, and they lorded over the rest of their race(quite literally).
I feel like at least half of the problems with the timeless child reveal would have been fixed by the Master being the timeless child, it explains why he was angry enough to destroy Gallifrey, why he's mentally unstable and doesn't cause so many stupid contradictions
That would have actually made a whole lot of sense, all the times the master got shot and 'died permanently' only to then reappear a few seasons later.
Yeah it makes a lot more sense if he's lying because 1) He's chaos incarnate, 2) we know a lot less about his early life and 3) It keeps the Doctor's timeline straight
@@calmkat9032 In a way I'd rather they reveal he was lying but also I'd be really annoyed and they'd clearly have just changed it because people hated it.
@@calmkat9032 so do you think the Ruth doctor is him? Did he just hire a bunch of people to act like they were both the doctor? It would be better but still stupid unless explained really well.
@@mikehorner5989 Yeah Ruth Doctor needs a different backstory too. Although, she does anyway since, as Jay mentioned, we saw the 'first' doctor as we know him steal a Tardis that then becomes a police box. Since Ruth uses a police box Tardis, she has to be from after the first, not before.
Two separate episodes where guns = bad, slow torture = good. This is like if Batman had no problem with killing, but instead just refused to use a gun.
@@lunaangeleclipse9745 I mean, he did lock KGBeast in a sewer to starve to death one time because then it technically wasn't his fault. Pretty fucked in both cases tho
@@J2HATMgoo I hope he does a total Reboot. I mean, you cant just 'contiue' Character-Arcs that never started. And you cant start/give a Character-Arc in a Character's THIRD Season: Thats hilariously impossible.
Thinking about it, it wouldve been nice to explore the anti gun principle. Lets say at start Ryan is actually successful and barely destroys the bots but nearly gets hurt - but he did it. He feels like having a gun compensates for his disability or something like that. In Arachnids they choose that the merciful thing to do is to actually shoot the spiders - thus they go from room to room killing the spiders, Ryan getting increasingly disturbed by shooting at living beings, until when they're finished, he throws the gun away and feels like never touching one again - until maybe later theres a situation where he actually needs to to procect 'the fam' with a gun, thus finally learning that there is something of a balance to find, a code to live by, instead of instantly driving towards extremes
Jay isnt the only one making big criticism-essay, so have fun with Mauler covering Doctor Strange 2, Madvocate covering The Flash and Hbomberguy covering RWBY and also Sherlock
I love this! This is a REALLY cool idea! I was focusing on that from the angle of "he has a condition that makes it easier to stumble and trip and he wants to run into a situation where any of those would make him a stationary target for a squad of SNIPERS, while they're in a situation where they'll struggle to treat MINOR injuries and things will remain that way for the foreseeable future." But it's a SPACE gun! Maybe it COULD compensate for his disability! So then later, when trump man hands him a real gun, he runs in cocky, but misses. Landing fatal wounds, but not all of them instant. People always mistake how gun skills work in fiction. It's not operating the weapon that's the issue (that part is EXTREMELY simple most of the time) it's actually AIMING the damn thing that's the tricky part. For someone with a coordination disorder like Ryan, it could be almost IMPOSSIBLE to hit anything without serious practice. Maybe the last one he shoots he misses so bad it just shoots off a leg. And as he watches it limp away, you just see the guilt on his face and then THIS is the moment the Doctor asks "see now why I don't like guns?" I think this moment would be even more powerful if the group sided AGAINST her on this issue, and she fell back to "serving at the pleasure of the human race" and helping them not die doing their plan. She's begrudgingly helping, but now it's emotionally clear to the audience why. The pain and misery violence can cause. Meanwhile, have Trump man say his line here about becoming president for this.
@@miiscedto be fair editing someone elses story to be better is entirely different than simply making something good. anyone with basic media comprehension can tell what would make a good story, but actually writing a good story takes time, experience, humility, and lots of revision.
Also their solution being more humans in crapy jobs. No the solution should be let machines do what machines do well and humans what humans do well. While you tax the work done by machines to provide for humans who can't find work.
@@DaDunge If you watched FIVE HOURS then what about Madvocates video about the Flash? His hour-long criticism that very much mirrirs this one here? Let alone entire channel specialized on it, like HBomberguy.
I know I’m late, but the fact that Ryan has an absent father, and is averse to letting Graham fulfill a somewhat fatherly role in his life would’ve been perfect grounds for a character dynamic, only for the show to seemingly have done nothing with it!
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i still dont really understand what the other option was there, they ripped apart its skull and exposed its brain, its not like they could just set it free.
Cramming a bunch of spiders in a confined space isn't remotely humane or dignified. Have you ever wondered why we farm silk from worms but not spiders, when their silk has stronger tensile strength than steel and an undershirt made of the stuff would basically be bullet proof? It's because you can't farm spiders, they cannibalize themselves when left in close confined spaces, so like one would die of starvation but the rest would just get horribly eaten while having basically no space to escape or properly defend themselves.
Ehhhh that's not 100% true but close enough, most spiders are solo hunters but there are a very few species that do live in hive webs. However their webbing is much weaker than other spiders, also they are very very tiny.
They had such a great actress for the role and they had absolutely no idea what to do with her. The first time I saw the scene with Jodie Whitaker introducing herself as the Doctor I was like “well damn the girl’s got it.” But of course they bungled it.
I wouldn't celebrate too soon. How is he going to repair what's been done? He can't really go against Chibnalls decisions can he, and by now he's probably just as deep in to the wokery as anyone else at the BBC these days.
@@PeterCamberwick don’t forget, Atlantis was destroyed three times, three separate occasions with two different doctors and none of them are compatible with each other. Also Davies did screw up his fair of the continuity, but as far as DW is concerned, canon is always in flux
Most of the locked up spiders wouldn't starve, they'd die in a terrifying hellscape of in-fighting and cannibalism that would be considered one of the greatest tragedies in history were it to happen to humans.
@Sypha Flowen Spiders probably don't even have a nervous system like ours at all. They obviously don't even have skin, so expecting them to have pain nerves is a coin toss until you look it up.
@@afelias pretty sure they can feel it. Kinda like when you spray insecticide to a roach and see them trying to get it off from them in futility for the next half a minute or so. Pain is a very essential tool for survival if you know why it's a thing
i have dyspraxia and when it was mentioned that ryan has dyspraxia i was exited because it would expose more people to it and make it easier for them to understand why i struggle with certain things and then you can imagine my disappointment when that was completely fucking ignored from there on in.
I propably did more research about dyspraxia during writing comments for local fandom discord server than Chibnall do in entirety of both series 11 and 12.
My current psychologist is telling me and my parents that I have Dyspraxia because I habitually don't get projects or other things done. But like...that's not at all the same as having a motor disability. I'm more than a bit confused.
@@abderianagelast7868 if it helps, dyspraxia is the under development of neurons, so u can have difficult fine and gross motor skills, but neurons are also important in memory, focus, sensitivities and generally transmitting chemicals. So that's why u often see dyspraxics with poor focus & organisation too (Which Chibnall missed out big time on writing)
the retcon RTD uses to send the timeless child back into the void is that there actually was a consequence to the doctor taking of the neural balancer and its that the entirety of season 12 was a vivid hallucination
They surely have to un-retcon the Doctor's origin otherwise all threats are pretty much rendered impotent as the Doctor is the source of all regeneration, has infinite regenerations and can use that power to revive/regenerate anyone else. Considering the Doctor is now said to have spawned the Timelords, they had a bloody cheek exiling him to Earth in the Jon Pertwee era. Having the Doctor as some cheeky rogue who stole a TARDIS was also a damn sight more interesting than making them basically a god. It was their flaws that made us relate to them.
Those last two sentences sum up my deepest problems with the Timeless Child bollocks so damn well. Going from an independent minded alien, who escaped a pompous, detached, inward-facing, extremely rigid society to see the stars and explore the universe, living life by their own rules; to a magic alien special chosen one from another dimension with a whole super secret past (notwithstanding the anti-colonial readings ive seen of the story, which seem strange placed alongside Chibnalls otherwise empty, performative "progressivism" throughout the rest of the his run)... It's just so incredibly lame. So much thematic strength sacrificed for a tired cliché. It just kills so much of what made the character so admirable and inspiring to me, that im just left acting like its not canon so all my previous enjoyment isnt ruined by the retcon. Never mind the constant stream of plot holes it all causes!
@@Nintendalek42 Yeah, I didn't go into the plotholes as I've been watching since the Pertwee era so even beginning to think of the Doctor as this new god of the Timelords hurts my brain. Even if you don't go far back at all... how did the Timelords grant the Doctor more regenerations (to get around the limit of 13) if the Doctor is the source of regenerations and never had a limit anyway?
@@Nintendalek42 THIS a hundred thousand times. Its not retcons per se that are the problem, its that it took away meaningful & replaced it with generic
I remember my female friend was so hyped about a female doctor. She would like to mention it every now and then but then afterwards she never said a word about the series again.
Yes, perhaps we should start focusing less on being a being a female/brown/etc X and start being an X that is female/brown/etc. The doctor was used to promote social commentary, with making compelling story and characters barely an afterthought. I find a timeless being’s “gender” to be completely uninteresting. It’s this ham-handed approach that led to people feeling let down.
To be fair, I can see from her point of view. It wasn't "it's about time for a woman to play the doctor" but more of a "ohh yay, a female doctor, I wonder how the new season will go?" I can relate if an actor I like is going to star in a show I like. I did however warn her to temper her expectations because Chris Chipnel was in charge of the series.
It was unusual, but a thing of our time, to just put women into roles and say that this is cool. And when hearing about it, despite it being unusual for the series and a common marketing sense theese times to do that thing, i really looked forward to see, what character she would be. But in the first episode, when the new doctor normally literally explores who he/she/it is now, i waited and waited. And i still wait to find out what kind of doctor she is. Just sad. Like: "Oh she is a women. Ok thats enough specialisation on character. Maybe lets be her alway right, making the companions obsolete." (sounds a little sexist to me)
@@Reiners_Eulenspiegel I don't necessarily think it's sexist that she's always right. I think Chibnall was trying to play into 'the doctor is the most important being to have ever existed' idea he was setting up or he just wrongly assumes that the doctor has always been morally superior.
Jay - I'm at the hospital waiting for some tests on my stomach and you are keeping me company. Your voice, wit and humor are so comforting to me. Thank you for being you.
This video made me realise 2 things: 1. That Jodie’s run really is as bad as everyone’s said and most of it comes from Chibnall not knowing how to write 2. The Doctor Who audiobooks are actually really good and I wanna get more after listening to Blood of the Daleks
And Jodie said anyone can play the doctor. She has no respect for the Doctor or the the program cannon. May she be thrown into a black hole and not be seen again until judgement day.
@@alwaysflushinpublic Yep. Thats why i support not just social Commentary like Jay Exci or his 'bigger siblings' Hbomberguy, Critical Drinker and Some More News, but also loads and boat-loads of Science-TH-camrs. Hoping all this causes Waves of Positivity.
"The Timeless Children is an episode where The Master takes The Doctor to Gallifrey in order to show her a PowerPoint presentation that ends with a slide saying 'You were adopted.'" - Stu and Jay from their talk-Dr-Who video on Jay's second channel
The Timeless child makes no sense. Not only was it established that the time vortex is the cause of Time Lord regeneration, it was SHOWN that it demonstrably is. It's why River Song was able to regenerate, it's why she was kidnapped by the Silence to begin with, because she was conceived in the time vortex and gained the abilities of a Time Lord.
Did everyone miss the fact that they teleported to outerspace without space suits and with lungs full of oxygen? Wasn't there an entire episode about how that would make you instantly blowup or something? The one with Capaldi when the doctor went blind cuz he had to give his helmet to Bill?
Oh, come on. It's not as if there's some sort of electronic device that can be used to look up information and knowledge about various subjects in a few seconds. You can't expect such impossibly hard to find facts to be researched for some children's fantasy space adventure show.
The blowing up thing is a myth I think actually came from sci fi. You would just freeze to death while your blood boils. Basically you would just become a hot pocket
@@cursedaudio984 Would the Oxygen still in your lungs not have any negative effects though (among all the ones that happen irrespective of your lungs)? Genuinely curious since I don't know the science and obviously good OR bad DW isn't trustworthy for what the writers were trying to work with
@@cursedaudio984 I think his point is basically that since the "your lungs will blow up" was actually explained by the Doctor in-universe just last season, their lungs not blowing up in that acene is a continuity error.
Subverting The Doctor's prejudices was already done in Classic Who in The Curse of Peladon. In the story, The Doctor instantly assumes the Ice Warriors are the ones behind the evil plan simply because he's fought them twice in the past. However, not only are they not the antagonists, but they assist the Doctor in bringing the real villain to justice.
It is a shame in that context that the sequel to that serial, The Monster of Peladon, decided to double back on in and made Ice Warriors the one to plot it all. It is great decision in narrative sense in my opinion though, the betrayal from previous ally which made the story unpredictable.
@@MF2X360 Call me Overanalytic, but... is it all Coincidence? All the hyper-massive-overload-Trash-Quality we get? 'The Last Airbender' was just a total Failure that 'happened', so its to be assumed this very, very, very rarely just happens in the Film Industry. BUT then 2019 and later Years found a massive Increase of this. All these beyond-arrogant Creators create beyond-trashy Content... Mulan 2020, Artemist Fowl, and this and that and this-that... Pokemon, which is big enough, but Star Trek is even older and Doctor Who is EVEN OLDER! All this and more: Countless big Franchises are Burning. They are burning alive and i wonder if this is not literally the obvious Sign for Social Problems und Social Scars going throughout all Industrys. I almost wonder... is the Quality-Standart of this Planet going down?!?
Call me Overanalytic, but... is it all Coincidence? All the hyper-massive-overload-Trash-Quality we get? 'The Last Airbender' was just a total Failure that 'happened', so its to be assumed this very, very, very rarely just happens in the Film Industry. BUT then 2019 and later Years found a massive Increase of this. All these beyond-arrogant Creators create beyond-trashy Content... Mulan 2020, Artemist Fowl, and this and that and this-that... Pokemon, which is big enough, but Star Trek is even older and Doctor Who is EVEN OLDER! All this and more: Countless big Franchises are Burning. They are burning alive and i wonder if this is not literally the obvious Sign for Social Problems und Social Scars going throughout all Industrys. I almost wonder... is the Quality-Standart of this Planet going down?!? Odd Question maybe, but whats going on with Earth?
@@superjoeyman1 No it doesnt, actually. Objectively, its just burning alive like Pokemon, Doctor Who, and multiple other Franchises. It has Documentarys of just how massively overdrive-like it sucks, just like the other 2. They are literally in the same Situation. You just apparently got blinded, so you dont know this... ...
It's hard to explain, but the moment when the thirteenth doctor says "How human, still got the emotions then?" exudes a lot of that age and wisdom that the doctor is supposed to have, which frustrates me immensely. The worst part about this incarnation of the doctor is that she has her moments - and when she does, you start to see the remnants of what could have been an amazing season and character hidden underneath the garbage writing. If Jodie had only been given better scripts, she may have been one of my favorite doctors. It's a shame.
@@morethan1 Whilst I was waiting for the new series to come out I wanted to see what kind of things she’d been in. I watched this drama called Trust Me that had just finished at the time where she plays a nurse that steals her friend’s identity to work as a doctor when she announces she’s quitting her career to go live on a farm with her boyfriend/husband. It’s really good but I think each season is a different story. I only saw the first season which she’s in as that’s what was out at the time but I’d definitely recommend it.
What Ive never understood is how Chibnall could mess upp characterizing a female police officer dreaming of more when that is basically Gwen from Torchwood, a show which he pretty much ran. This has always confused me.
Considering that the characterisation of everyone in Torchwood series 1, the one that Chibnall basically ran all on his own, was all over the place, I'm not surprised about it at all. Torchwood became good when the BBC hired Gary Russell as a babysitter for Chibnall.
@@GermanLeftist Possibly but Gwen is pretty well characterized in her first appearence in episode one. If you greatly done, atleast adequately. Her first words are not "I wanna do more" while dreaming of doing more... You see it on her face in the rain at the chrime scene while watching Torchwood go by, and its confirmed when she chooses to follow Jack into an unknown area, even when she knows nothing and isnt trained for it.
The Master: You are a bit older than you thought you were, and also the Timelords did some stuff that’s completely normal for them to do. The Doctor: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@Sypha Flowen missed oportunity, have it so the timeless child is the master. The master then has a reason for his maddness and resentment of the timelords, it explain missy not being his final death and how he is able to kill the timeloard (because as the timeless child he is unkillable and able to go on an unstoppable rampage and uses the same device the doctor thought they used in the time war) after explaining all this he then gives a line about "well, if they felt it was ok to experiment on me..." *cyberlords walk in* "I decided I'd do some experiments of my own" Also I like how cyberlords where already established with matt smith and how regenerations would just destroy the cyber part of them...
I can't watch that scene without imagining a human companion being sacrificed. Put on a big "Wasn't that clever?" grin when all you had to do was simply kill off one of your friends!
Before the last two seasons, the Doctor has: -nearly broken a man's neck and beaten people unconscious multiple times -sentenced a whole family to an eternity of torture -commited genocide (more than once) -destroyed a planet
Chibnalls writing SCREAMS “I want to be praised for addressing touchy and complex topics but I’m only going to barely touch the surface level concepts because I don’t actually care and am incapable of forming complex thoughts”
The thing Classic Who taught me about guns: There's always a better way. Be clever, kind and inquisitive and you can find it. The thing The Colonel taught me about guns: There's not always enough time to be clever, kind and inquisitive when people are dying. And it strikes me to the core that Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart was one of the few people that The Doctor admired.
I’ve always loved the Brigadier for being an actual alternative philosophy to the Doctor’s that stood his ground with a mutual respect between the two. They force each other to recognize the circumstantial flaws in both without the show making it an obvious right/wrong
Honestly, I want to see a doctor who actually uses weapons and tech more. Like we've seen him extend the forcefield on his Tardis to protect himself and even the massive station from thousands of Dalek ships firing on it... How many people have we seen disintegrated right in front of him because the only thing he insists on bringing is his damn screwdriver... Most recently, the bubble thing jack used to break them out of prison, that would come in handy in a million different situations, how many times have we seen people die because they got trapped in a room? Could use the matter ray jack Harkness had when we first met him or even the nanobots that could heal literally anything. Why does the doctor not have magical nano bots that can heal any living creature as long as it isn't dead? I get being against guns and killing but how many times has he seen Daleks and cybermen exterminating and upgrading entire civilizations. What about the random alien device he hacked to make 'Me' invincible? That was literally some random medical unit he jerry rigged to heal Maisie Williams and it ended up making her invincible and it lasted literally until the death of the universe since we saw here there... Why does the doctor not carry more of those around or give them to his companions, I get not wanting to 'curse' them with immortality but surely he could give them a temporary one or at least some kind of personal force field device, maybe some kind of healing kits or nanobots... Hell, jack gets his hands on vortex manipulators all the time despite the doctor confiscating like 3 or 4 different ones. He hates the 'cheap and dirty time travel' aspect of it but he could just give his companions wrist watch teleporters that only teleport back to the Tardis in the event of danger... For a man who witnesses so much death and is forced to commit so many atrocities like genocide, you think he'd better prepare himself. He's come across so much tech in his life and understood it all immediately but just leaves behind these super useful inventions, even if he didn't want to make his own he could just take them since most of them are on planets or space ships about to explode or they're about to get destroyed in some way... Plus, isn't it cannon that he has a device in the Tardis that can literally make anything? The timelord equivalent of a 3d printer that was briefly shown in the space scavenger/junkyard crew episode, they were using a device to determine the worth of things and beyond the door it said there was "anything, a device that could make anything you can think of" and he supposedly uses that to instantly rearrange and create new rooms in the Tardis. We wouldn't really have a show if he was even half competent and prepared for emergencies but it would also be cool seeing him actually use time lord tech once in a while, show how advanced his race really was...
@@DrakeOola The doctor hasn't ever really cared about saving people though. It's never really been his mission to do that, he just wants to go on adventures and have a good time. He happens to run into a lot of situations where he is presented with the opportunity to save lives, and he would never pass that opportunity up, but going anywhere with an expectation that he would be doing anything more than sightseeing just isn't really in character. At least traditionally.
That general feeling was pretty pervasive when I watched it, but partway through Capaldi's run it just got ridiculous. I had to stop watching, and I knew I'd never go back when I saw an interview with the actress they were going to have play the Doctor next, only to find out she wasn't thrilled to play the character, like all the rest had been, she was just happy the role was going to a woman. If the bbc wants to boil everything down to genitalia I see no reason to tune in.
Even with all the people claiming this is needlessly negative, I'd like you to know that watching this made me realize how much i love Doctor Who, and start watching it again after an almost ten year break. Thanks, mate.
I'd heard a lot about Doctor Who but never got the urge to go and watch it until I saw this video. I'm grateful, too, because I've absolutely fallen in love with the show (binged my way through the first two seasons way faster than reasonable lmao)
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Hello everyone! I've made an "animated" parody of the show to accompany my review! Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/noaMIy_FWsA/w-d-xo.html
Damn, how’d you know I’d come back to this video again after you uploaded the parody? Great video!
Thoughts on series 13?
amazing
I agree with almost everything except your interpretation of what the Doctor would feel being told he wasn't a Time Lord (or her being a Time Lady in the moment in question). You're right to say he was never rose tinted in his view but he still always declared himself as a Time Lord, Defender of Gallifrey, Keeper of the Legacy of Rassilon etc. it very clearly meant something to him (you could do a super cut of every single Doctor declaring himself a Time Lord in one way or another and it would last a long time). In the same way I may roll my eyes at whatever the British government had done in the past or currently that I dislike I don't stop having a deep pride for being British (and I don't announce myself as British half as much as the Doctor announces himself a Time Lord). I also quite liked the not quite canon but sort of maybe hinted at triumvirate of Rassilon, Omega and "the Other" *cough* who could it be (Sylvester McCoy liked the more powerful idea and you see that echo'd in Tennent's more "I have the right to do what I want" moments - again hinting he is very much a Time Lord).
But I loved all the other minutes of the 5hr extravaganza and very much enjoyed the animated step by step example of how to burn money the BBC seems to enjoy these days (certainly entertained me more than any episode produced in recent years).
amazing parody
The funniest thing about the Doctor telling Yas that the police won't believe her about the alien attack is...London literally gets attacked by aliens every other week in that show
If London isn't getting attacked by aliens, its probably because aliens have already taken over
And London is a nightmare hellscape of CCTV cameras EVERYWHERE. There’s easily 90+ cameras that saw what happened.
@@Xtoff
You must have lived a pathetically sheltered life if you think LONDON is a bad place to live 😂, see more of the world dummy
@@johnhenry4844 i dont think saying London has a lot of cctv cameras means its a bad place to live
@@johnhenry4844 Call me Overanalytic,
but... is it all Coincidence?
All the hyper-massive-overload-Trash-Quality
we get?
'The Last Airbender' was just a total Failure that 'happened',
so its to be assumed this very, very, very rarely just
happens in the Film Industry. BUT then 2019 and
later Years found a massive Increase
of this.
All these beyond-arrogant Creators create beyond-trashy
Content... Mulan 2020, Artemist Fowl, and this and that and this-that...
Pokemon, which is big enough, but Star Trek is even older
and Doctor Who is EVEN OLDER! All this and more:
Countless big Franchises are Burning.
They are burning alive and i wonder if this is
not literally the obvious Sign for
Social Problems und Social Scars going throughout
all Industrys.
I almost wonder... is the Quality-Standart of this Planet going down?!?
Odd Question maybe, but whats going on with Earth?
I knew basically nothing about the Doctor 5 hours ago.
I am now quite irritated by how they massacred my boy.
They killed him
I really recommend the Russel T Davies era
Seriously. I never watched the show but having the protagonist of a series out someone as a minority to the villains of the second world war with a one liner is beyond ridiculous. I cannot make a joke about ruining a character that is more absurd than what they actually did.
Did you just assume the Doctor's gender?!?!
Tourist
My Favourite trend in this era was that Graham being a bus driver comes up more times and is more useful to the group than Yaz being a literal police officer
"Millenial arent useful "
Wow, you are right
Honestly, I think the FIRST time him being a bus driver helped out marked it being more helpful, as I literally cannot think of a single situation (literally not ONE) where Yaz being a cop helped the situation.
Like they didn't even cuff an unconscious villain or anything at the end of an episode, which could have worked...
(......and right after typing that I just realized that River's cuffs, possibly used for x-rated purposes, were used more during legitimate story moments than those that would have been issued to Yaz for actual police work..!)
38:23 instantly got a discord ping lol
@@jonathankozenko Which is weird cause cuffing is a legitimate precaution to take, especially when one is trying to determine if a person is even a threat. Let alone when said person IS a threat.
I also just love the subtle sexism that comes with changing a character from male to female and then the female version has no confidence in themselves, is nervous at things the character is used to dealing with, has wack surface level morals and seemingly more erratically and emotion driven behaviour, and worst of all is uncompassionate which is stereotypically a trait associated more with women. Just to be clear I don't think it was intentionally sexist, but I think Chibnall's perception of how a female doctor should be different from a male doctor might have contributed
Great example. He definitely thought “what would a woman do here” and not “what would the doctor do here” and it’s evident
it doesn't help that her TARDIS is extremely phallic, her screwdriver looks the most like a sex toy I've ever seen and the first thing she does is crash her vehicle
Lack of compassion is typically associated with women? I dont recall that being a thing
@@sirkiz1181 yeah, for example he probably said women love shopping so a woman doctor would like an intergalactic mega-corporation about shopping right?
I agree with everything you said except I think being uncompassionate is a stereotype of men.
I can’t believe they cast B I G O N I O N as the 14th Doctor
Tooth Boi and BIG ONION, directed by Chris Chibnail, coming to AAAAAAAA fall 2022
the bbc is a bunch of sjw cucks. everyone knows b i g o n i o n s cant be doctors. damn libtards ruining the show with B I G O N I O N propoganda.
@@qorso peak 21st century is not immediately knowing if this is satire
@@Jane-oz7pp that facts scares me slightly
B I G O N I O N is a pre-Hartnell Doctor.
You do have to cry a little at the fact 12s last words were reminding the next version of them of the basics “never be cruel or cowardly” “always try to be nice but never fail to be kind” and then 13 just kind of does the opposite most of the time
Stop. You are making me cry T-T
weird from what i remember watching 12 kinda let people die right and left without a care...which i kinda felt that 11 was doing
@@Chippaization hmm I think the Doctor only cares about their enemies dying if they are retreating. I think after the countless losses due to the time war I think the doctor abandoned the "do I have the right" thing a while back
I mean, almost every Doctor (in the reboot era) were cruel or failed to be kind at some point, they aren't perfect, that's the point
@@bradDark6941 I think the newer and newer the become the less that's an issues and it's more about being 'quirky' although I lost interest in the series I'm not sure if they even made peace on the time wars and other stuff.
Pro Tip: When teaching someone to ride a bike, don't do so on the side of a mountain. Car parks or playgrounds are good.
>Pro Tip
>Pro
W-What happened?
I was given a bike, and a hilly driveway to learn on.
Mom went in and gabbed with her friend.
Old man was working.
learned the hard way.
I can see now why practicing on a hill might have advantages. Like... not as badly scrapy scrapy when you crash down.
@@AC3handle I have a similar story. Back in Junior Year of highschool I was riding my bike back home and I had to go to through this road that was downhill. While riding down it I lost my balance and got absolutely wrecked, and I think it caused the nerves in my legs to hurt really bad when I walk wrong. The timing lines up but I never went to the doctors.
@@corenlavolpe6143 I learned to ride a bike at a friends house. The house was on top of a hill and had a really long straight road leading from its driveway to a main road. The road was bordered on both sides by barbed wire fencing, as my friend's family were farmers and owned some livestock.
One time I decided to take one of their bikes to the top of the hill and ride down it. Seconds into the run I decided that I was accelerating far too quickly and pressed the brakes. That's when I realized that the bike didn't have any functional brakes and that I was running out of road before I hit traffic. To get off the bike before that happened I decided to throw myself off and to the side of the road. This of course meant that I was also throwing myself right into a barbed wire fence at high speeds. The barbs split open my arms and left me with scars that I still have 13 years later. Looking back, I was lucky that I didn't hit the fence face-first, and I don't even remember being in that much pain immediately after the accident. I think the adrenaline rush must have kept it suppressed for a few minutes.
Consequently, I no longer ride other people's bikes.
Hills are actually a good idea- but yeah, maybe not with literal cliffs around. Grass is way better than a carpark though. I learnt to ride a bike on a grassy hill in the park, however it was filled with trees (and had a lake at the bottom)- luckily I didn't break anything but bailing was never fun. Would've preferred that bare mountain.
As an American, "Rosa" really annoyed me, honestly. Both for the reasons you mentioned but also because the story of Rosa Parks it tells is just blatantly untrue. It acts as if "if Rosa isn't forced to get up civil rights won't happen", when in reality she was part of a coordinated attempt at civil disobedience. If she hadn't been forced to stand, the bus boycott still would have happened, she was just chosen to be the face of it because of her clean record. The episode has this whole message of "tiny things build up to bigger consequences" (which directly contradicts the Doctor's feelings on the butterfly effect) and needs this story to tell that, when a more effective & honest telling of the story would have been regarding the inevitability of change when people are oppressed. Like I get it, even American children are taught a version of the story like this, but that doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.
True. You might be the first American I've interacted with who's even heard of Claudette Colvin.
Yes❤ someone else that knows about Claudette!!
Reinventing history or ignoring parts of it to support a current ideology is a common human practise.
@@AxolotlInMC it mostly is just whitewashing how bad the whites in the US were. Its a bit like everyone now "respects" Luther, even the politicians that are clearly racist... and the ignoring of Luthers message that the root of the problem is capitalism.
Yeah Rosa had literally been helping ED Nixon to try and find someone to be the face of the desegregation movement for ages before her arrest. The two of them actually met Claudette Colvin to try and escalate her arrest to federal courts, and she’d been thrown off a bus by the same driver who called the cops a few years beforehand; she was *deeply* involved in desegregation efforts
Acting like she only stayed sat down because the bus happened to be full that day is the sort of narrative that people use to make civil rights activists seem passive and opportunistic when they were genuinely radical and super politically active
Damn Jay's really stretching to reach that 10 minute mark, huh
AHAHAHAHAHAHA, Nice.
Haha Nice 🤖
🤣🤣🤣
Yes, to get that extra ad revenue... lol
Its actually 8 minutes not 10 now.
After like 2019 I think
Pretty sure he was going for the 10 hour mark lol
I've read genderbending fanfics that seemed more canonically accurate than season 12.
It helps they're written by competent fans who want to stay true to the series
How do you like a comment twice???
IF I had more faith in the writer, I would say that 13 is supposed to be getting senile or has had their brain tampered, and it's going to be a big arc to fix.
As it is, 'tis just decent actors trying their damndest to work with horrible writing
@@Ashen.Elixer Imagine if 13 was actually some asshole like the Master (if it wouldn't fuckup the great sendoff that Missy had) who had their mind fucked with on one of their regenerations so that they were made to think they were the Doctor. So they go around trying to act like the Doctor and doing what they subconsciously consider to be Doctor things. But because they don't actually *understand* the compassion and altruism the Doctor exhibits due to their own lacking empathy, they instead just end up copying a bunch of surface-level traits with no nuance and absolutely botch the reals reasons the Doctor behaves the way they do. Imagine someone with such a moral mindfuck going through the motions as they gradually figure out the truth behind themselves, until they actually have to address the dichotomy and make an informed, complex moral decision about the type of person they want to be.
This shitty idea I threw together in a minute has more depth than the last two seasons of Doctor Who. But since these hollow, cardboard characters have been dragged out for two entire seasons already, I'm not sure it's possible to redeem that much garbage with even the best possible writing from now on. Our only hope anymore seems to be that someone else will take over and ignore the whole thing, and these will become the two seasons that we don't talk about anymore and everyone pretends don't exist.
You are painfully correct
I feel like you may have overlooked something: Ryan not reacting to things is a strong character trait. As a TH-camr, he is aware that reacting to anything might mean he gets sued by The Fine Bros.
I wished there was more Videos fusing Humor and Learning together... oh wait, there ARE!
Entire Channel like Some-More-News, Hbomberguy and Professor Dave!
Underrated comment 😄
Well done on this one.
Such an old reference lol
he reacts in an upset way when he misses the shot with the basketball. it’s only a matter of time before all his assets become liquidated.
Regarding the Doctor calling out Ryan for gunning down the sniper bots
She tells him that guns are bad, and instead kills the bots with an EMP
Thus, the principle isn’t that “killing is bad,” it’s that *guns don’t kill efficiently enough*
I’m guessing that’s not what Chris Chibnall intended, but that’s what happens when you suck at writing
"Own a nuke for home defense, just like Chinball intended."
guns are bad, chemical weapons can kill more people with less effort!
The same thing happens again in Spyfall Part 2, The Doctor yells at Ada for using a gun to shoot (just lightly grazing) The Master, then literally immediately after throws a grenade at him, in a room full of people. It's so bizarre.
I'm going to say something that sounds over-dramatic, so keep in mind that I'm 1. Jewish and 2. majored in Holocaust history
This message, "guns are bad (because they're not effective)" is exactly the problem WWII Bad Guys faced when they conquered Eastern Europe: there are so many "undesirables" to uhhh get rid of, and forcing them to dig holes then stand on the perimeter of said hole and shoot them in the back is not very efficient, so they tried things like reshaping trucks so that the gas omitted from the engine goes into the back side, killing all the "cargo", but that wasn't great either since you can't fit that many people in the closed back of a truck and you have to actually take a ride for the engine to do its part, so they had to come up with a final, effective, solution.
So yeah watering down the moral "life is precious and peace is possible" to "guns aren't Good At Killing" isn't a hot look on you Doc
@split776 ahhhh no kidding, thanks for educating us. I knew the basics but not the specifics
That person who translated this entire fucking video into Korean, despite the fact that maybe 100 people at most will find it necessary, has my absolute and undivided respect. I may not understand any Korean, but I'll keep the subs on in your honour.
The fact that the only option for English subs is the google translation of the korean is amazing
Not all heroes wear eccentric clothing and go gallivanting through time and space.
@@manjackson2772 at 1:49:25 the translation from Jay, to Korean, and then auto-translated back to english changed "get wrecked bitch" to "fuck you, grandma!"
Holy shit that’s huge
i came back to rewatch this video and it was unexpected surprise. i'm learning korean so it's super helpful for me to see the translations
“You must leave or we’ll have to stand over your corpses.”
Imma use that one next time I gotta get people out of a burning building. It’ll make it clear that I have good intentions
Works best if no one knows the building is on fire
Yeah, it's best if you are known for your past as an arsonist, even though a week ago you became a firefighter
just say, "I HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS"
The terminator shows up in terminator 2:
"Stand there if you want to die"
Character turns tail, right into the new model terminator
I had to pause the video when Not-Trump shot the spider and said "this'll what will get me into the white house". I vote exclusively on giant spider based policies and this really agreed with my political stance.
Incredibly based I simply can’t stand the current standing political party in my country as they refuse to answer questions based on gun policies in reference to giant spiders as “that’s stupid and irrelevant” smh
That part is so laugh out loud on the nose; I couldn't believe it. I, too, am a single issue voter when it comes to giant spider policy.
@@BionicleFactory Just out of curiosity: Which side of the only worthwile partisan issue of our times do you stand on: Shoot the spiders - or starve the spiders ?
@@Nr4747 "Shooting's quicker."
@@BionicleFactory Spider shooters stand up
The way the 13th Doctor fails to respond to Gallifrey's destruction is beyond insulting. This is an event which previously had the Doctor screaming a vengeful rant so vicious that the last member of a species built from the cells up to be "the ultimate in racial cleansing" said he'd be a good Dalek. Setting aside everything we're told she's doing off-screen, this Doctor was more visibly upset at the prospect of her latest batch of companions leaving for good than the destruction of her entire home world.
The 9th and 10th Doctor's went through hell having to process that. And even thought the 11th and 12th seem to come to terms with the time war it still deeply affects them....
And even further, the Doctor spent 13 of their lives working towards a plan to save Gallifrey from destruction. And then when the Master completely undoes all of that off screen (and arguably desecrates the Time Lords with the Cyber Masters), she barely has a reaction.
@@electrolyteraccoon214 I pretend like that was just a version from a parallel universe.
To be fair, bringing back Gallifrey at all wasn’t a good idea. And for what? A single story and no real consequences for the characterization?
@@peytonb2247Moffat, I think at least, did a lot of work to really bring Gallifrey back, and I think did a good job slowly bringing them back. As soon as they were back, we had one story on Gallifrey to end S9, and a mission to the Doctor from Gallifrey in S10. Gallifrey or timelords didn’t have to have a bunch of episodes in the new seasons, but doing nothing with it, then just killing them all AGAIN, RIGHT AFTER THEY JUST GOT BACK is absolutely stupid, and really bad writing. No matter your opinion on Gallifrey being back, it’s better to either try and expand on a post time war Gallifrey and how they’ve adjusted, or just not write a story about the Time Lords or Gallifrey, than it is to just kill them all off again, off screen, for only shock value, and adding NOTHING to the story outside of getting rid of a species that JUST GOT BACK? It is a complete waste of potential stories.
it’s crazy you didn’t mention characters trying to help someone with a coordination disability ride a bike next to a cliff
OMG lol 🤣
No wonder his relationship with gramps was so . . . Rocky 🥁
@@Dandidoodles woulda been interesting if that episode ended...on a cliffhanger
@@chikenfartz I mean it did.
"Ride or Die" but real
Imagine if the premiere is just jay going “it’s coming soon I swear”
Came here to express this same fear! ;)
Don't give him any ideas.
For 5 hours, he sits in front of his camera for 5 hours saying "I'll have it out later"
she liked it, that means it's true
That'd be nasty 🤣🤣
Chibnall: "I'm going to reinvent the doctor as a woman, so i can make her into a strong female lead"
And then proceeds to write the weakest most childish doctor imaginable.
I'm starting to think that Chibnall doesnt actually have much respect for women.
Whaaa, but hes a male feminist?!?
@@spunkush What a curveball.
And with the Timeless Children she has become the blandest Mary Sue to date.
Something about thinking of a man but removing all sense of responsibility
I don't think it has anything to do with women. He's just a hack
man its a minor nitpick but Ryan saying Grace was "the greatest woman i ever met" is so weird when you think about it. like, he's talking about the woman who raised him… wouldn't it be more natural to say she was "the greatest woman i ever knew"? again this is pedantic but i love how even the season's very first reveal/twist is awkwardly forced
Thank you for this. I couldn't quite figure out why the reveal felt off. Like I had this feeling that it was but I couldn't specifically identify the problem
now that you point it out i agree, i didn’t even realise before but despite it being a small thing.. idgaf i’ll be nitpicky all i like! it does really feel weird tbh
The thing is, saying "the greatest woman I ever knew" wouldn't even make it obvious it's not about the doctor.
@@Nixahma yeah that's the point, they had to try and twist his wording into something that would make sense for the doctor, which ultimately did not make sense once the actual twist is revealed that he's not talking about her
Me: Oh I don’t have time to watch a film
Also me: *spends 5 hours watching a doctor who deconstruction*
I'm sometimes watching, sometimes listening to it like a podcast.
same
SAME
Same
Although not quite fair, with a movie you have to pay full attention to it the whole time, with a video like this I can have it in the background while playing Minecraft or something, or at work
Me: 4 hours?? That’s it, I’m never watching the Snyder cut.
Also me: Let’s watch a 5 hour video essay about a show I never watched except for the one episode that gave me nightmares!
Remember that time the Tenth Doctor willingly sacrificed himself for a human, even when the battle was ALREADY won? Now we have the Thirteenth who will let a human die IN HER PLACE to win HER battle... it's just not the same character anymore.
Which tenth story is that?
@@Samwell-L His last one, The End of Time. When Wilfred was trapped in that chamber, about to be flooded with Radiation.
@@infinityproductions4989 OF COURSE how could I forget?
@@infinityproductions4989 Wilfred was such a sweet character. The heart to heart with the dying doctor is just the best
In fairness most doctors tend to have people sacrifice themselves for the doctors causes, in the sontaran two parter, a human sacrificed himself for 10 to stop the sontarans
the sad part is, a version of the doctor that's so tired of having death on their conscience, even enemy deaths, that they're willing to do arguably worse things to their enemies to avoid having more could have been an interesting take on the doctor. sadly, that would have required the show to actually acknowledge that the doctor isn't the moral center of the universe and that there are things that are worse than outright killing
isn't that just 10?
@@charlesiiofengland3608
Not really. When 10 gave those eternal life punishments to the family of blood, it was implied that he was doing it because he was very angry and that those fates would be worse than death, not because he was afraid of having blood on his hands. Meanwhile this hypothetical 13th doctor could do that not out of any personal feelings of rage, but because she just doesn't want to deal with the mental strain of blood on her hands
@@worthlesshuman5041 oh i see, thank you for explaining
That's a long winded way to say there are some fates worse than death
exactly, immoral pacifism is a really interesting concept and one that is rarely ever explored despite what makes it possible(fates worse than death) being relatively well explored
The worst part of the Timeless Child thing is that it DOESN’T EXPLAIN where she came from. She wasn’t created by experimenting or selective breeding or even magic, she was FOUND as an existing person (who should’ve been old enough to say how she got there, who her parents are etc) who already could regenerate. Is she the only one or just a member of a species with that trait? Who knows? Not us! And probably not Chibnall.
"Let me explain everything by not explaining anything at all!!"
The worst part is that it COULD have worked (not the "timeless child" crap, but introducing half a mystery) if the Doctor then turned around and said, "Wait! I must now embark on a quest to FIND MY PEOPLE!" or some nonsense, but she just "🤷 Meh! I'll focus on obsessing over my previous lives for like 5 min then forget it all next season."
@@JhadeSagrav The Timeless Child works so much better if you pretend that the master is just fucking with the doctor, and what *actually* happened is that the first doctor learned the truth about the timless child, grabbed his granddaughter, stole a TARDIS, and ran.
It even plays into what the first doctor said about why he travels in the last episode before the chibnal era.
Here's an idea that could have made it work.
Remember when the doctor rebuilt the universe with the pandorica? They should have implied that subconsciously the doctor rebuilt it wrong. Have small things now and then that don't match up with the doctors memories. Then when we find out about black lady doctor, we as an audience realise it's something from the doctors past that changed this time. Eventually the timeless child reveal is the doctors desire to make the other time lords more like him. This version of history played out because of the doctor rebuilding it, and it explains why the baby appears through a breach.
@@almightyk11you should apply to be a writer, that both sounds interesting and could probably last a season as a concept
@@LimblessAnt I really do want to but I don't know anyone in the industry and I am only good at patch writing. Not so good at full scripts and stories which makes it hard to apply.
It's nice to hear though, I do these sorts of changes for a lot of things XD
This video didn't just make me realise just how much I hate series 11 and 12, and why... It made me realise how much I truly adore Doctor Who when it's at it's best.
@@LukasOfTheLight true, but still love Eccleston
yeah, this video made me want to rewatch some classic who. I had forgotten how good this show could be and how amazing of a character the doctor was
Troughton was always OP.
In all honesty i think Doctor Who needs to END.
NOT forever, but i strongly feel in order to save this franchise, the series needs a hiatus, a long while off air, so that people can be given time to just forget about it and gradually start to miss it.
This would force those who are currently damaging it to just go away and move onto other things. Then allow times to change yet again, for all this woke/sjw mentality to die down and gradually fade away. And then you will find some truly visionary and "Creative" will come in, and breathe new life into this series.
Series 1-10 is some damm fine television.
Next time I want to get out of a conversation, "CHARACTER TIME IS OVER NOW, TIME FOR PLOT"
“LIKE CLOCKWORK IN A CHIBNALL STORY”
"Oh hey Janice, I had no idea you were having a baby, when's it due?"
"Oh I'm not pregnant I just put on some weight"
"CHARACTER TIME IS OVER, TIME FOR PLOT"
"Jesus Frank, not again"
"SORRY JANICE, BUT I'M BEING WRITTEN BY CHRIS CHIBNAL"
Time to get back to the plot!
Yell that, then awkwardly shuffle backwards out of the room
Arachnids in the UK establishes that the mutant spiders have spread out from the hotel and are in various places in Sheffield. The episode ends with them getting rid of all the spiders in the hotel and then leaving job done. There are still giant spiders capable of killing humans (as seen earlier in the episode) all over the city.
Tbf, they were probably all shot by "normal people", shame how many people are getting into the Whitehouse now tho....
I mean that's not the worst of it.
They establish that the Queen is too big to breathe. So they are aware and introduce that concept. But in reality with our atmospheres current oxygen content, every insect bigger than a tarantula would be unable to breathe. That's why there aren't any.
If you want me to suspend my disbelieve, don't bring up the very thing I'm meant to ignore!
@Innocent Jogger (curled in fetal position slowly rocking back and fourth under the writing desk) : "orange man bad, orange man bad, orange man bad"
this is how I picture just about every trump character in media, ever, being written.
arachnophobia is one of the most common phobias in the world. at least one of those people would’ve freaked out over a normal spider. no human would be that chill around spiders the size of dogs and cars. only the doctor would be arguing for them not to be killed immediately. and only because there’s no spider queen speaking english telling him directly “my children will kill every person on earth”. when spiders do that, the doctor kills everything in the closest river to insure newborns looking for a 1st meal never see the light of day.
and am i the only one wondering why none of those brits questioned the random american with an underground armory in a hotel in the north of england? yas is a cop right? hand guns are illegal in england right? random foreign tourists and businessmen don’t get to bring their traveling arsenal abroad RIGHT?
@@robonator2945I mean, that is how most trumo charactures were even before presidency, because he is bad
I think that the Timeless Child thing would have been way more interesting and worked way better if the Master was the Timeless Child. It explains why they’re so angry (“They stole this from me!”) and you can have a scene where the Doctor talks him down and sympathises with him. (I’d also have Ruth be the Master pretending to be the Doctor, using an altered Chameleon Arch or something)
man, that would probably redeem the whole arc. Damn.
That would've been so much better.
I disagree, it would still be incredibly stupid.
If the timeless child arc had to stay, my choice would've been susan.
That said, s12 would've been better without TTC, the master or gallifrey at all. end it with just ashad and the cybermasters
@@EliWintercross You're both right.
Are you a coward or a killer?
9th Doctor: Coward
Are you a coward or a killer?
13th Doctor: Both
Hey remember the epic ending of The End of Time where the Doctor has a gun on the Master and on President Rassilon and the Doctor's Mother reveals herself and gestures in a way to show the Doctor the third option that doesn't involve murder as she sheds a tear? Guess she wasn't his real mother and that moment wasn't as touching as it seems because the Doctor is super special awesome and not related in any way to those Time Lord freaks.
7th Doctor: "Neither. Those are finite states, I am a Time Lord. Unbound."
@@Edax_Royeaux Did they ever reveal that character was The Doctor's mother though?
War Doctor: Never Cruel or Cowardly
i feel like the show has never really held a solid answer to that to be fair
"If you really don't want a nuanced story then... write a story about a villain who enjoys killing puppies!"
But what if those puppies pushed their mother off a cliff?
Its ok, thier mother was a time traveling racist who liked guns
Cruella lol
@@sadagusfate But it was only racist against the Daleks that destroyed all living things in their doggy home planet!
**Mom gets pushed off a cliff** “Nough!”
Why is Cruella?
What a mess of a movie
Epso: I learned at a very early age to not trust anybody, even my own mother.
Also Epso: *Falls asleep on a boat, on a lake of acid, surrounded by complete strangers, one of which is a woman who would greatly benefit from his death, and doesn't like him in the slightest*
@X X -the doctor said before kicking him off the boat
To be slightly fair, that woman can't kill him or she won't get the prize money either. But in general, you are completely right. She could promise half her prize money to somebody else to do it for her.
@@4203105 if Ryan actually had a character that was consistent with his lines that could have made an interesting conflict with him wanting the money or whatever
@@creed8712 It could also be argued as cultural stereotyping as well though.
@@nickbrough8335 is it a cultural thing to want wealth? I assume most people’s in most parts of the world that aren’t like very very primitive like those natives on islands want some form of monetary status or wealth
You were talking about how none of them really reacted to having a bomb planted into their bodies and it got me thinking about the older stuff. Donna is my personal favorite companion I love her. she is so incredibly funny and charming and Catherine Tate does great playing her. Imagine if Donna Noble got a bomb planted into her body. I'm not anywhere near a professional writer but I'm pretty sure she wouldn't take it lying down. And if The Doctor told her to be quiet while they think? They'd probably need to regenerate again because she would kill them.
Just imagining that scene highlights even more how little these characters are given.
This! If Donna was there Jodie would have been the shortest lived Doctor ever.
Wait, no. You’re forgetting that something incredibly similar DID happen to Donna in the Runaway Bride, which was ALSO HER FIRST EPISODE (if you don’t count Doomsday).
Lance was filling Donna up with Huon particles, which are what triggered her to be transported into the TARDIS. The Doctor explains that there are particles within her, she doesn’t know what they are, but the Doctor keeps rambling about, in her eyes, things that aren’t irrelevant or important, ie. not relating to her personal safety. So she DOES slap him. After that, the first thing she asks is if she’s in danger. The Doctor then lies so she won’t worry (maybe because he knows the particles are more active when the host is stressed, which you would be if you found out you were gonna die, or maybe just to be kind, who can say?) but she figures out that she probably is and makes him tell her the truth. When he tells her they’re deadly, she has an actual normal human reaction, both physical and vocal, and we don’t get to see it for long because the Racnoss Empress announces herself, but also because the Doctor actually reassures her that he’s going to do something to fix it and reverse the damage, promising her she won’t die, rather than letting her worry without saying anything at all or being vague about it (unlike 13).
I’m genuinely surprised Jay didn’t bring this up, it’s such a similar concept with the introduction of a companion and their reactions to finding out there are alien components in them that could be life threatening.
the odd thing is when i got to that part of the video i imagined donna being in this situation too, probably cause she’s my favourite! just think that’s a neat coincidence
@@ZoeyAnonschild damn, you know about doctor who better than chinball
I read the sentence "Imagine Donna Noble with a bomb in her body" and I could faintly hear her ranting in the back of my mind with that affronted and upset tone she uses lol
The thing that bugs me is that The Fam live in a world where they, people from Britain, casually know the name of the bus driver who kicked Rosa Parks off the bus when that isn’t even common knowledge here in the US, but hear the name Nikola Tesla and don’t even come up with “you mean like the Elon Musk car?”
GOD even hearing about that episode hurts. What really gets me is that the Doctor has such surface-level understanding of Tesla's best works.
The writers need to be given a five hour lesson on what Nikola Tesla was able to achieve. ALTERNATING CURRENT is a goddamn superpower that multiplies power transfer efficiency that the way we're advancing past that one achievement is by using 2010-2020 cutting edge semiconductor technology to make non-AC transformers using switching. They didn't need to make up stuff like drones or Wi-Fi, which Tesla started on but didn't really make like that. Fuck Wi-Fi too, Tesla wanted to beam the power straight to homes via man-made thunderclouds.
Which, I'm pretty sure, you could have easily made a Doctor Who episode about sentient thunderclouds delivering free energy from heaven or something cool. But no, they did a "fuck Edison" without doing a full on War of the Currents.
It was a poorly realised doc-drama (the sort that the History channel does) with the Doctor and fam inserted to ensure that Rosa actually did what she was supposed to do, whilst completely ignoring all of the real story., which is a lot more complicated and involves deliberate political choices.
@@afelias Tesla's story is fascinating in itself (why did the US government take his documents and work in progress when he died?).
Tesla had ideas for unlimited free energy without pollution or nuclear waste. The electricity generation industry and the oil industry were petrified. Did they lean on the government? How did Tesla die?
Why was Tesla forgotten about for decades, while comparative failure Edison had a biopic made about him?
This was a hugely disappointing episode in a series of disappointing episodes
@@afelias It honestly seemed like they saw one of those "Tesla Genius, Edison Bad" tumblr posts or something the night before. And then the next day had nothing to pitch so just pitched the post
@@nickbrough8335 Chibnall’s a neolib who doesn’t believe in the power of collective, deliberate activism in the face of injustice and thought Rosa parks wouldn’t be ‘relatable’ if he portrayed her protest as what it actually was: a preplanned, deliberate act of self-imprisonment in protest of a wildly unjust law.
“my dad taught me how to hijack cybermen ships when i was four” hits like “i dropped out of 4th grade to run drugs to support my nan”. it shouldn’t be possible to compare doctor who to RIVERDALE
O
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That is Hilariously SAD
XD
This is next level salt, fully justifed, and I love it.
Yeah, that’s probably one of the most retarded shows I’ve ever heard of, and the competition is stiff in that area. I’ve seen a lot of stupid shit being made these days.
Makes the Cybermen sound incompetent as fuck if they're being hacked by fucking 4 year olds too
Who would win: a warship developed by one of the most technologically advanced species in the universe who have taken over galaxies, traveled across the multiverse and fought wars across time and space.
Or a 4 year old?
I do find it hilarious that they cast the first female Doctor, applaud themselves for being progressive, and then proceed to make her neurotic, controlling for no good reason, anxious, and unfunny. Well done, lol.
at least they didn't kill doctor just to make a bad revenge plot and turn the killer into the main character for half the season
She isn't the first. Even if it was a parody, The Curse of Fatal Death counts.
@@BarioIDL I feel like you're referencing something...
tell me.
I am ignorant.
I must know.
@@headlesshunter8435 keep it that way, no one should know
@@headlesshunter8435 The Last of Us Part II
Just less than half an hour in you’ve made me realise that perhaps the TARDIS team wasn’t overpopulated like a lot of people say, it’s just that the population was flat and 2 dimensional. If they’d followed established character traits and grown organically it might’ve been no issue that there were 3 companions.
a good writer could certainly have done it but its very clear that whoever wrote the script didnt write it in terms of "graham, ryan and yaz" but in terms of "companion1, companion2, companion3"
Feels overpopulated because there's barely enough characterization for one character and it's now split into three. Amy and Rory didn't feel overpopulated when River hopped in periodically. Each was a CHARACTER, not PLOT DEVICE.
Jay litterally could have divided this in 20 minutes parts and have regular content over 6 months
But putting a 5 hours video is just so... establishing dominance
Longman good.
I mean them the views would have a much more stark dropoff.
@@richyrich7260 I was going to comment this in response, but you beat me to it.
It’s self indulgent shite, wouldn’t be surprised if he tunes out to be a Nonce.
Please touch grass George
Who in their right mind, suffering from a self-coordinating disability, decides to try and learn how to ride a bike on uneven, mountainous terrain and metres away from cliff edges?!
Considering how Ryan reacts to everything else he probably didn’t think much of it
At least it looks softer to fall upon. The ground bit, not the cliff bit
@@mjela4516 i think that could be a metaphor or something. Its easier to fall on that ground but harder to succeed
same person who, suffering from a coordination disability, decides to run into a group of hostile killer robots with no backup after picking up a weapon they're completely unfamiliar with.
holy shit we found CONSISTENCY!
his characterization is that he's an idiot.
@@thomasb7347 and yet it’s probably more likely it was set there just so he could throw the bike down the cliff and have to go fetch it(for some reason he goes way too far into the woods when he does), therefore separating him from Grace and Graham.
The most frustrating part of this is the fact that Jodi Whittaker is a fantastic actress and I was genuinely excited when she was announced to be the next Doctor.
I think that even if the writing were better she'd still lack the range and experience to play the character. The Doctor requires a depth of performance that she just isn't capable of. There's a lot of actresses who could pull it off, but she's not one of them.
The Doctor becoming a girl was the end of it because all the assumptions and brain break down that makes you want to make the doctor a woman infect everything else in the show.
Andy Byrd have you even seen broadchurch?????????
@@iflipandtumble Yeah, but I don't remember her being in it. Must have been an extremely lacklustre performance. Coleman was great. She could have played the Doctor well, even with terrible writing and direction.
Andy Byrd she was INCREDIBLE in broadchurch ?!?!?! how can you not remember her
I still haven't gotten over the fact that the Time Lords put the Doctor through unfathomable torture for several BILLION times longer than the human mind can even begin to comprehend and she comes out of it basically going "ugh guys I'm so done with u omg" and then they lie to her about giving her a forget pill one time and she can't comprehend how they could do something so terrible.
I guess you could chalk the billion years of torture and the End of Time events up to Rassilon being behind those instances and generally being a prick but The Deadly Assassin and Trial of a Time Lord extends it to other Time Lords too.
I know literally nothing about Dr. Who
But I have been watching Jay for years soooo
I cannot wait to watch all 5 hours in one sitting
Update: I’ve seen the whole video and I’m glad to say I vehemently enjoyed it. Jay did an excellent job of making it so those without context can still enjoy and learn from his criticism. I actually kinda wanna see some Dr. Who now; it’s seems super great (referring to past series of course)
Same here.
Seen like half an episode air on TV when I was like 10. Got bored and confused since it was in the dead middle of whatever season, and never saw anything else directly.
Same. Given how much she slaved away on it and the amount of technical issues she had in the process of even rendering this vid I feel morally obligated to support this even if I'm entirely lost lmao
The only things I know about Doctor Who is from Jay
Theo only thing I know about it is that there’s a new doctor every time each series ends and that there are robots called dollocks. Oh and that Doctor Who has been around for a long time.
I'm hoping that we are going to do a watchalong of the full video on Jay's Discord. Come join us! discord.gg/UEUWKGwmSA
We learned more about Donna Noble in two minutes than we learned about "The Fam" in two seasons.
YIKES
It's because Donna was Show
And the fam. Was tell.
Yea we saw em but they just talk what they do or feel.
Everything also happened in a day.
Why not show Yaz being a good copper and going above her current rank. She's committed and some of the public enjoys her presence and think she deserves better.
Maybe she hasn't won but she's curious.
Graham and Ryan could have a moment where ryan needs space, but grahm has a potential danger and Ryan needs to step up.
Show he cares for grahm but mainly because his grand luvs him. He's still uneasy and they go their esperate ways because Ryan's friends called him for previous plans made.
He feels a bit uneasy about leaving because of what just happened but his grand says. They'll be fine. He can go.
The rest of the episode plays out.
Yaz is somewhat nearby the onion because she's snooping within her jurisdiction and when she hears the call. She says she'll handle it. (it'll buy her time to keep searching around.(for whatever reason it is she's snooping, I didn't make one rn tbh it's irrelevant rn)
She carries on and finds Ryan and his friends. They leave because coppers lame and say they'll be at a café(they already took picks for the vine) so it's just Yaz and Ryan talking and Ryan is uneasy about getting near it.
Yaz laughs because she thinks he's stuntin for a secret cam he set up.
Hes a bit frustrated but Yaz decides to believe him. She knows what it's like to not be respected by others.
Eventually shit plays out.
Ryan and grahm fight because his gram almost dies on a train. She scolds Ryan for blaming grahm for that. Grahm feels old but fights to defend that he still has his strength and energy. Doctor steps in saying she's over 1000 years old.
They all just turn like what. Is she on drugs.
Yaz steps in and tries to follow protocal but things get out of control.
Doctor steps up.
Defends them from the tentacles.
A person dies.
Yaz freaks out. Calls it in. Starts having a panic attack. Doctor helps calm her down.
Gives some foreshadowing about what it's like losing a person. Ryan and grahm look at each other passively. Gram hugs em both and says you see. You do care about each other.
The plot carries on. Tbh ima stop here. I'd keep going but I'm not an official writer dx just had a fun idea pop in.
Donna also felt like a human person as well not a as piece of cardboard
Donna was so relatable. The first half of her first episode I hated her until I realized I would be her. One of the most real human characters in the newer series by far.
@@able3331 And they weren't afraid to give a female protagonist unlikeable traits. Nowadays, every woman is the bestest.
Part of why everyone loves Donna is her foibles.
Locking up the spiders in the panic room during Arachnids in the UK is even worse than you acknowledge in this video actually.
The episode states explicitly that they don't stop growing until they die even if continuing to grow means inevitable paralyzation and organ failure due to the fact that spiders are fundamentally not built to be able to *be alive* at such sizes. This means that the spiders locked up in the panic room, since they have ample amounts of food for at least a good while, will not "simply" die from starvation.
They will *keep growing* just like the queen did, but since there're a *lot* of them (dozens upon dozens) locked up in that small enclosed room, they're going to rapidly run out of space to grow. Some will die of starvation, some will die of slow and agonizing organ failure, but the last ones will probably end up dying from *running out of space to grow in and consequently getting slowly crushed to death against their siblings' corpses because they can't STOP growing.*
Worst case scenario, someone's eventually gonna open up the panic room' again to see what's up and find a perfectly room-shaped cube of crushed-together gigantic spider corpses filling it from top to bottom, wall-to-wall.
So yeah, in terms of "most horrific cruelties happily endorsed by the 13th Doctor" it's way up there close to the eternal ceaseless torture of Onion-man.
Yeah suddenly a flamethrower seems like it would be more humane. Jesus Christ
jesus fucking christ, that’s beyond brutal…………
They might end up eating each other/each other's bodies. Which is, you know, still really really bad
So you get a spider version of the mobik meat cube.
That's still not mentioning that spiders generally don't do very well in close quarters with one another, which is why they can't realistically be farmed. So you've got a room full of very unhappy creatures continuously growing and eating each other until they get too big to move and they die from organ failure or being crushed. Maybe they should've just shot them
Making the first female Doctor insecure is sexist, honestly. Can't believe I didn't notice, and thank you for pointing it out.
Thank you young person. I have loved Doctor Who ever since I discovered it during the David Tennant era and became a massive fan. . .until the Chris Chibnal era. I actually stopped watching for a couple of years. I watched the first Jodie season - and some of the next one but I couldn’t even figure out why I disliked it so much. I just had no desire to watch. I’m 75 - so there’s that I suppose. You, on the other hand, have made everything clear. I feel chagrined that most of what you explained had gone right over my head - but I knew the Doctor now made me uncomfortable. I thought it was the whole Timeless Child thing - but now I realize that Chibnal’s Doctor is not the deeply moral individual I had come to love so much, she is nice but not often kind as opposed to the other way around. I have enjoyed this exposition very much. And I spent most of the day listening to it. Retired, you see - so plenty of free time. Thank you.
I’m sad cause Chibnal wont ever learn.
Cant we all take a Minute and Tweet him the URL of this Video here?
?
I’m 17 but I have had the same experience - I was really into the Tennant and Smith eras, and have watched many of the Eccleston reruns on TV. I missed most of Capaldi and decided to try out the first few episodes of the new doctor… everything seemed very off, cold and overt. It just made me uncomfortable and unintrigued so I gave up pretty fast. I agree, this guy really summed up spot on all the reasons why it was so unenjoyable compared to the others we watched! :)
@@smsmsmsmsmsm Understandable
Even if you can't finish the whole 5 hours, you gotta appreciate how much work and effort went into this video.
so you are not always on top
Heh
Oh hey, you’re here too
You don't have to watch the whole thing in one go
why do I always see your comments on videos I watch??
Rule of thumb: it's better to have contrivances get characters _into_ trouble than _out of_ trouble. It's realistic for bad luck to happen, but it feels cheap for good luck to nullify character's actions.
...not saying the contrivances are automatically better if they get characters into trouble, but audiences tend to be more forgiving as it doesn't _lower_ stakes.
Good luck / miracle resolutions to episodes can work, and are sometimes the best option, but it all depends on the thematic framing. For example, shows that are entirely based in character and deal with faith and ideology can afford to have 'miracle' endings because you feel like they deserve it. In Doctor Who, the Doctor has never deserved the happy ending so it rarely works.
I honestly do prefer the contrived endings than some of the "oh I'm just god now okay" endings that were littered around in 10's era.
@@tTaseric I'd argue there were definitely times the Doctor DESERVES a miracle, but the universe is rarely so kind or fair which is i think something of a theme for who.
This makes sense, if something contrived happens to get them into trouble you can write it off as a coincidence. Since the doctor is so old, coincidences will happen to them, we just don't see the episodes of when it doesn't happen. The odds of a coincidence happening that gets them out of the trouble they already happen to be in are much smaller
@@DraakjeYoblama Clarification, it's _really_ bad writing if you've contrived reasons for _both_ the cause and resolution of a specific conflict.
But if you have to choose one or the other, audiences will more likely forgive a contrivance starting a conflict than they will a contrivance ending a conflict, as the latter undermines the stakes and takes away potential gain from said conflict, rendering the entire conflict meaningless, whereas the former does not cause as much lasting damage.
That's not to say the former doesn't have its fair share of criticism (idk how many stories I've seen where "character tripping on rock" leads to the entire bloody story happening because they stumbled upon a tomb or touched something they shouldn't touch or whatever) but it's in general better to have the cause, not the solution, be the ass-pull.
4:08:33
Another thing to note, the 'fam' had less of a reaction to finding out most humans are killed off in a genocide by the cybermen then that time the Doctor accidentally revealed to a WW1 officer that there is a second world war on the way.
"What do you mean, One?"
As someone with dyspraxia, I can confirm we are all secretly experts with alien guns
I've always wondered...
As a person with dyspraxia, do you often go tomb raiding on desolate alien planets with a person who has a doctorate, a police officer that accused you of illegally transporting vegetables, and your father-in-law who abused you over your dyspraxia but everyone around you tells you thats just love?
Oh yeah, and for some reason you've never heard of Rosa Parks.
Is this all common for someone with dyspraxia?
@@birb125 Indeed it is. I also don't have a personality.
@@patrickleonard1114 ah, so the dyspraxia is cause by being living cardboard
@@birb125 Exactly!
shhh! we weren't meant to tell people that!
Another issue with the show's writing is the line around 3:03:20 "I offered him a 10 buck raise" Implies that Edison is a cheapskate. The problem is that most people made less than $1 per hour in that era so a $10 raise would be a godsend.
So I don't exactly know when it was set but I just took 1890 as an example and holy shit, that's about 32 dollars which make about 320 dollars today. That's a pretty insane amount.
Maybe he meant an extra $10 per year? In which case a (by modern standards) a $320 raise to your salary is nothing
@@joeedwards4340maybe that's what they were thinking, since that's the only way to make him look cheap. But most people weren't paid a yearly wage back then, so it's kind of an odd thing to say.
Plus, $50000 is over 1.6 million today, so it's not actually too far fetched that this could have been a genuine cultural misunderstanding, of Edison being hyperbolic.
Honestly, in some jobs 10 dollars more an hour is still a good deal *TODAY.*
according to tesla's journal, it was the company manager that originally promised the 50k, not Edison. Additionally, Tesla was making $18 a week at that time, so a $10 raise was quite significant
"written by Chris chibnall, presumably with crayons"
Cut to doctor who confidential....
I need more of youbtwo colaborating
I just came back to say that, when the doctor says “I need to lay down the law if you’re new” after that she literally says: “don’t quote that back to me, my rules change all the time” and it’s honestly criminal that you didn’t use that part because of the sheer milage it’d give you.
I guess even in a 5 hour video there's such things as having too much material. It'd probably be like 7 if all those things were invluded.
having the doctor literally say "the systems arent the problem" straight at the camera in a doctor who episode with a genuinely engaging premise, thus shooting dead any hopes of even vague moral depth and complexity in the chibnall era, made me want to punch a hole in my tv
I FORGOT SHE THEN KILLS THE UNABOMBER FSJKLDFH
@@enbyennui excuse me wHaT
@@NBDYSPCL Charlie has a similar motivation and plan to the unabomber
That's the episode where I stopped watching and have yet to go back!
...I am so lucky I stopped before this
I thought she'd be the 'like 11, but more: childish curiosity than childish wonder, and no significant hard side which she will have to learn to regain and incorporate season by season'
basically the idea would be that the doctor tried to have a more wonderous time with his 11th incarnation, but the universe wouldn't let him, so the doctor is doubling down on that 'curious explorer' bit when she becomes 13, this results in being a bit too trusting and having a less nuanced and more flexible morality and less foresight (as one might expect from a more child like mind set, and this also would handily explain why 12 had to leave a message saying be a decent person: children need moral guidance and reinforcement, even the inner child) which results in the bidirectional learning dynamic between doctor and companion to shift more heavily in the companion's side because the doctor is basically an overly trusting know-it-all
...I was so, so, so wrong
"The system isn't the problem, they way people exploit the system is the problem" - The Doctor
Wow, that almost sounds like propaganda. Don't question the way things work, it's just bad individuals.
Yes, also ignore that some systems are more prone to exploitation than others.
It's both true but it's also not.
Systems can be very beneficial or very exploitative/harmful by design. However, it also depends on the individual(s) leading said system(s). A genuinely smart and caring person can lead an otherwise harmfully built/oppressive system in a way that makes it good/less bad. However, a psychopathic tyrant can corrupt even a good system and run it into the ground or turn it extremely cruel.
As Jay says in the video, in the Kerblam episode, both sides are wrong, but we are expected to accept one as right. The terrorist is killing innocents to combat exploitation by the system and the system kills an innocent to combat the terrorism perpetrated by the terrorist.
What I find hilarious is that the Doctor's speech at the end flies directly into the face of modern woke narrative, since modern progressives love to posit that systems of governance and power are all based on oppression and are therefore evil. Does Chibnall not know what team he's playing for, do you think?
@@darklord884 Sure, I agree that systems can be bad, and individuals can be bad.
I guess what seems to be clearer (from this video) is that Chibnall and Dr Who aren't particularly 'woke' or progressive. It's just neoliberal virtue signalling with little of meaning to say. It's team centrist, wanting mild or superficial improvement only.
That's just my opinion anyway.
@@coolbanana165 Certainly seems that way. I don't subscribe to the 'woke' side either way, but entirely faking an ideology just for brownie points is foolish and as we can see, destructive when applied to art.
"Bad apples"
"Problems im not even gonna touch on"
Oh come on mate, give us that 10 Hour extended cut.
I’d watch it, I’ve watched this 🤣
#ReleaseTheExciCut
Try 24hrs extended cut
The Spider-Nonsense makes me real Mad
because the T-Man (not the Doctor Who Version) is indeed
a Clown and an Issue - but this Episode is so ridiculously badly
written that its used as an Argument to ask
"Oh, so Anti-Trump-People are like 'this', eh?"...
...Chibnal has no idea he actively
gave Trump Support with this Episode...
...
It's kinda funny that Onion Boy's corrupted teleporter transported him perfectly on the ground of another planet, but the Doctor's teleporter, built with a purpose, just dropped her off in the middle of space
"The lyrics of the Doctor Who theme are uwu"
Why have you cursed me with this knowledge
UUUuuuuWWWwwwwUuuuuUuuUu
No... no... oh god no... I can't unhear it
Jesus Christ why did you do this to me
Now that’s what I call inner conflict
@@DesolatedChild018 I never want to hear this again after almost 6 hours of it lol
This video took longer to come out than the Doctor spent in the confession dial
This video has more planning than the entirety of season 11 and 12
@@mickys8065 This video has more awkwardness than seasons 11 and 12.
This doctor reminds me of Dee from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. In the beginning, the actress complained to the writers that she was being written as the boring straight man, and they admitted that they didn’t really know how to write for a woman. So she told them to just write what they’d normally write for a man and she’d just play it. Her character improved dramatically.
That’s what this doctor feels like. They aren’t writing the doctor, they’re writing A Woman.
literally no one cares.
@@Smokey420Greenleaf Smoke another one dork. Your opinion matters even less.
@@Smokey420Greenleaf Well then I guess me, the currently 101 likes the parent comment has, and the vast majority of this videos viewers are 'no one'.
@@Smokey420Greenleaf How to “respond” to something you disagree with:
1. Type “Nobody cares”
2. Prove you care by posting it????
Not only that, but a woman they don't particularly like either...
I stopped at the Moffat era and I can't believe Chinball managed to drive the writing into such deep pits of crap.
"Wait, the Doctos is trapping aliens in a room to starve?"
"Wait, the Doctor is straight up killing a human she already neutralized and who can't do any harm anymore?"
"WAIT WHAT THE F--K THE DOCTOR IS LITERALLY HELPING YAHTZEES PERPETRATE A HATE CRIME?"
It's amazing how much of the "fam"s dialogue is completely interchangeable, like it could easily be said by any other of them, or just written as one companion.
I probably would have actually liked that character if they had a goal and was better acted.
You make a good point. I wonder if it was all intended to be one, or two companion characters but then they got exploded into four.
I'm convinced if you gave someone a script for any of the Chibnall Era episodes with all the names redacted, they wouldn't be able to tell which companion was saying what for the most part. It's like they just write all the dialogue first, and then throw darts at a list of names to decide who gets to sayw hich line.
Yeah, that was my main complaint. They have no flavor!
This is after both RTD and Moffat always put a lot of work in making the new companion make a memorable impression, be cool, have a story in their own right....
It should be easy to give them flavor when you have 4 characters, just make them contrast. Make one an optimist & another a pessimist, make one reckless and one cautious... etc. my 15 year old self could have done better!
I forgot how much of season 11 was just begging the camera to move like half a foot back from the actor's face
I was thinking the same! It really shows!
This five hour youtube rant is a hundred times more entertaining, thought-through, well-written and directed than the professionally produced renowned tv show it criticizes
Amazing what actually writing a script will do for a production. Maybe Chibnall will learn from that for S13.
I'm really happy I didn't have to scroll too far to find this comment. I stumbled on the channel and now I am confident this time will be better spent here than attempting to suffer through the last two seasons
@@papershadow Hahahah! This comment is gold
I'll take your word for it because there's no way I'm watching it.
Sounds like a rotten tomatoes review but I agree
What really blows is how cool it could’ve been, Jodie seems really fun as An actor but was given the worst script imaginable. My dad and I had the same complaints through the era was the writing. Only the writing. It really sucks that people use the women doctor as a scapegoat, hopefully this doesn’t dissuade BBC from doing another one.
Right! I really loved Jodie's doctor but just couldn't with the cardboard that where the companions, but we know that BBC will refuse to do another female doctor in the near future, maybe the 100th anniversary if we make it that far?
Exactly! I think Jodie's a brilliant actor- even with the shabby scripts she was given.
I hope it does dissuade them. I hope the whole show stops taking risks no one asked for.
@@applejones1697 Dr who has always taken risks with the kinds of stories it tells but casting a woman as a doctor was something many people wanted, not really a risk. Its just a shame the writing is awful.
@@applejones1697 Dude, a TON of people were asking for a female Doctor after the Master's regeneration proved it was possible. I doubt it even would have happened without so many fans expressing interest.
The timeless child feels like another example of genetic determinism and moral binaries. Time Lords are bad, the Doctor is good, therefor the Doctor is not a Time Lord.
And it all feels very cheap.
I expect as soon as chibnall is gone if someone picks up after him they'll nuke the timeless child reveals
According to articles after when the episode first came out, the Timelords' exploitation of the Timeless Child and taking her regeneration gene and taking over Gallifrey represents colonialism. They destroyed a lot of history in this long running series to make a subtle comparison a lot of people didn't pick up on because they were too blown away of how the lore was being messed with.
It gets a little more fucked up when you think about it. Because of the Timelords, The Doctor grew up having a rather normal life on Gallifrey save for his rebellious streak as mentioned in the video that led him to stealing the TARDIS. Because of this, it leads him to his adventures seen in the show's running. Due to these adventures, The Doctor has repeatedly saved the Earth/Galaxy/Universe/Timeline several times over and is a true hero.
So...if the Timelords didn't colonize Gallifrey, there would be no Doctor to stop all of these events and save people. The Timeless Child would have just sat there doing...something. She can't do much else without the technology and knowledge she would gain access to from the Timelords. Did this show accidently argue in favor colonialization?
@@pumpernickelrye9736 that's seems about. man you gotta wonder how hard it is to make something bad... seem bad
@@pumpernickelrye9736
I think in the original version of Doctor Who(Prior to this clusterfuck of an episode and "reveal")
The Time Lords that could regenerate were a select few, and they lorded over the rest of their race(quite literally).
I feel like at least half of the problems with the timeless child reveal would have been fixed by the Master being the timeless child, it explains why he was angry enough to destroy Gallifrey, why he's mentally unstable and doesn't cause so many stupid contradictions
That would have actually made a whole lot of sense, all the times the master got shot and 'died permanently' only to then reappear a few seasons later.
Yeah it makes a lot more sense if he's lying because 1) He's chaos incarnate, 2) we know a lot less about his early life and 3) It keeps the Doctor's timeline straight
@@calmkat9032 In a way I'd rather they reveal he was lying but also I'd be really annoyed and they'd clearly have just changed it because people hated it.
@@calmkat9032 so do you think the Ruth doctor is him? Did he just hire a bunch of people to act like they were both the doctor? It would be better but still stupid unless explained really well.
@@mikehorner5989 Yeah Ruth Doctor needs a different backstory too. Although, she does anyway since, as Jay mentioned, we saw the 'first' doctor as we know him steal a Tardis that then becomes a police box. Since Ruth uses a police box Tardis, she has to be from after the first, not before.
Two separate episodes where guns = bad, slow torture = good. This is like if Batman had no problem with killing, but instead just refused to use a gun.
You know the classic batman quote, "I never kill people with guns, never! I'm more partial to nerve poison myself."
@@lunaangeleclipse9745
I’m sad cause Chibnal wont ever learn.
Cant we all take a Minute and Tweet him the URL of this Video here?
?
@@lunaangeleclipse9745 I mean, he did lock KGBeast in a sewer to starve to death one time because then it technically wasn't his fault. Pretty fucked in both cases tho
Well there was that one time he hanged a guy using the Batwing.
@@J2HATMgoo
I hope he does a total Reboot.
I mean, you cant just 'contiue' Character-Arcs that never started. And you cant start/give a Character-Arc in a Character's THIRD Season: Thats hilariously impossible.
Thinking about it, it wouldve been nice to explore the anti gun principle. Lets say at start Ryan is actually successful and barely destroys the bots but nearly gets hurt - but he did it. He feels like having a gun compensates for his disability or something like that. In Arachnids they choose that the merciful thing to do is to actually shoot the spiders - thus they go from room to room killing the spiders, Ryan getting increasingly disturbed by shooting at living beings, until when they're finished, he throws the gun away and feels like never touching one again - until maybe later theres a situation where he actually needs to to procect 'the fam' with a gun, thus finally learning that there is something of a balance to find, a code to live by, instead of instantly driving towards extremes
Jay isnt the only one making
big criticism-essay, so have fun with Mauler covering Doctor Strange 2, Madvocate covering
The Flash and Hbomberguy covering RWBY and also Sherlock
I love this! This is a REALLY cool idea! I was focusing on that from the angle of "he has a condition that makes it easier to stumble and trip and he wants to run into a situation where any of those would make him a stationary target for a squad of SNIPERS, while they're in a situation where they'll struggle to treat MINOR injuries and things will remain that way for the foreseeable future."
But it's a SPACE gun! Maybe it COULD compensate for his disability! So then later, when trump man hands him a real gun, he runs in cocky, but misses. Landing fatal wounds, but not all of them instant. People always mistake how gun skills work in fiction. It's not operating the weapon that's the issue (that part is EXTREMELY simple most of the time) it's actually AIMING the damn thing that's the tricky part. For someone with a coordination disorder like Ryan, it could be almost IMPOSSIBLE to hit anything without serious practice. Maybe the last one he shoots he misses so bad it just shoots off a leg. And as he watches it limp away, you just see the guilt on his face and then THIS is the moment the Doctor asks "see now why I don't like guns?" I think this moment would be even more powerful if the group sided AGAINST her on this issue, and she fell back to "serving at the pleasure of the human race" and helping them not die doing their plan. She's begrudgingly helping, but now it's emotionally clear to the audience why. The pain and misery violence can cause. Meanwhile, have Trump man say his line here about becoming president for this.
youtube comments writing better characterisation and storytelling than “professional” writers:
@@miiscedto be fair editing someone elses story to be better is entirely different than simply making something good. anyone with basic media comprehension can tell what would make a good story, but actually writing a good story takes time, experience, humility, and lots of revision.
@@tayzers69 to be completely fair Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke Joke
All hail B I G O N I O N
L E N G T H
_For her_ ™
Learning from the longman himself
Onion man good
No the gaint BEANS are supreme
The Kablam episode is insane to me, the Doctor literally says "there is nothing wrong with the system" lol did Bezos write this?
XD
🤗🤗🤗🎍💂🥴🥴💥
Also their solution being more humans in crapy jobs. No the solution should be let machines do what machines do well and humans what humans do well. While you tax the work done by machines to provide for humans who can't find work.
@@DaDunge If you watched FIVE HOURS then what about Madvocates video about the Flash? His hour-long criticism that very much mirrirs this one here?
Let alone entire channel specialized on it, like HBomberguy.
@@DaDunge Slevin asked you something?
"It's a train. Chris, people keep track of those." Yeah, man, not in the UK.
@Joel Morgan-Bullock o7
I once missed a connecting train and subsequently nearly missed the only ferry that day because they misplaced a train driver for an entire hour
I know I’m late, but the fact that Ryan has an absent father, and is averse to letting Graham fulfill a somewhat fatherly role in his life would’ve been perfect grounds for a character dynamic, only for the show to seemingly have done nothing with it!
They got rid of the wrong companions. Graham was amazing! Yaz was insufferable! And just a horrible actress! I didn’t like 13 anyway.
The Eleventh Doctor actually was going to mercy kill the space whale. That's a good episode that understands the moral dilemmas of mercy killing.
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Well he was gonna mercy lobotomize but yeah. Pretty much the same dilemma
i still dont really understand what the other option was there, they ripped apart its skull and exposed its brain, its not like they could just set it free.
@@samarsvard6384 Real Life Humans (mostly Rleigious) have done worse - so thats That.
Cramming a bunch of spiders in a confined space isn't remotely humane or dignified.
Have you ever wondered why we farm silk from worms but not spiders, when their silk has stronger tensile strength than steel and an undershirt made of the stuff would basically be bullet proof? It's because you can't farm spiders, they cannibalize themselves when left in close confined spaces, so like one would die of starvation but the rest would just get horribly eaten while having basically no space to escape or properly defend themselves.
Shooting things is almost always the correct and morally sound choice.
@@HumphreyHorsehead
That's absolutely not what anyone here is saying.
Ehhhh that's not 100% true but close enough, most spiders are solo hunters but there are a very few species that do live in hive webs. However their webbing is much weaker than other spiders, also they are very very tiny.
And thank you for making my arachnophobia even worse!
@@matthewteo3111 dude’s insane look at his other comment here
i hate that i can't hear the words "onion boy" without being reminded of onision
Now you reminded me of his existence excuse me while i vomit.
I was literally searching for this comment because I refused to believe I was the only one who felt this way, so thank you and I'm sorry.
I keep thinking of that one bro from dark souls
HELLO SON, COME EAT LENTILS FOR DINNER
*b i g o n i o n*
They had such a great actress for the role and they had absolutely no idea what to do with her. The first time I saw the scene with Jodie Whitaker introducing herself as the Doctor I was like “well damn the girl’s got it.” But of course they bungled it.
The fact that this era was so bad that Russel T. Davies is returning as showrunner is the biggest blessing in disguise in history
“Rustyyy, we broke the show, can you fix iiiit, pleeeeeeease?”
I wouldn't celebrate too soon. How is he going to repair what's been done? He can't really go against Chibnalls decisions can he, and by now he's probably just as deep in to the wokery as anyone else at the BBC these days.
@@PeterCamberwick don’t forget, Atlantis was destroyed three times, three separate occasions with two different doctors and none of them are compatible with each other. Also Davies did screw up his fair of the continuity, but as far as DW is concerned, canon is always in flux
@@PeterCamberwick as long as it's good, the show being "woke" isn't an issue
(The rise of doctor who) sound pretty cool
Most of the locked up spiders wouldn't starve, they'd die in a terrifying hellscape of in-fighting and cannibalism that would be considered one of the greatest tragedies in history were it to happen to humans.
Well, the winner gets to starve at least. How humane!
It's the island rat metaphor from spyfall, with spiders.
But they would die humanely via humane cannibalism
@Sypha Flowen Spiders probably don't even have a nervous system like ours at all. They obviously don't even have skin, so expecting them to have pain nerves is a coin toss until you look it up.
@@afelias pretty sure they can feel it. Kinda like when you spray insecticide to a roach and see them trying to get it off from them in futility for the next half a minute or so.
Pain is a very essential tool for survival if you know why it's a thing
i have dyspraxia and when it was mentioned that ryan has dyspraxia i was exited because it would expose more people to it and make it easier for them to understand why i struggle with certain things and then you can imagine my disappointment when that was completely fucking ignored from there on in.
Same here
I propably did more research about dyspraxia during writing comments for local fandom discord server than Chibnall do in entirety of both series 11 and 12.
same here.
My current psychologist is telling me and my parents that I have Dyspraxia because I habitually don't get projects or other things done. But like...that's not at all the same as having a motor disability. I'm more than a bit confused.
@@abderianagelast7868 if it helps, dyspraxia is the under development of neurons, so u can have difficult fine and gross motor skills, but neurons are also important in memory, focus, sensitivities and generally transmitting chemicals. So that's why u often see dyspraxics with poor focus & organisation too
(Which Chibnall missed out big time on writing)
the retcon RTD uses to send the timeless child back into the void is that there actually was a consequence to the doctor taking of the neural balancer and its that the entirety of season 12 was a vivid hallucination
Lmao that would be perfect
sadly he likes the retcon and won’t undo it
@@justinhamilton8647He has, in fact, made it much, much worse
@@teagunlinger I barely made it through the first part of the 60th special and didn't bother with the other parts, rip
@@teagunlinger I do not watch doctor who, but how could he have made it worse? I am both curious and horrified at the thought
They surely have to un-retcon the Doctor's origin otherwise all threats are pretty much rendered impotent as the Doctor is the source of all regeneration, has infinite regenerations and can use that power to revive/regenerate anyone else. Considering the Doctor is now said to have spawned the Timelords, they had a bloody cheek exiling him to Earth in the Jon Pertwee era. Having the Doctor as some cheeky rogue who stole a TARDIS was also a damn sight more interesting than making them basically a god. It was their flaws that made us relate to them.
Those last two sentences sum up my deepest problems with the Timeless Child bollocks so damn well. Going from an independent minded alien, who escaped a pompous, detached, inward-facing, extremely rigid society to see the stars and explore the universe, living life by their own rules; to a magic alien special chosen one from another dimension with a whole super secret past (notwithstanding the anti-colonial readings ive seen of the story, which seem strange placed alongside Chibnalls otherwise empty, performative "progressivism" throughout the rest of the his run)... It's just so incredibly lame. So much thematic strength sacrificed for a tired cliché. It just kills so much of what made the character so admirable and inspiring to me, that im just left acting like its not canon so all my previous enjoyment isnt ruined by the retcon.
Never mind the constant stream of plot holes it all causes!
@@Nintendalek42 Yeah, I didn't go into the plotholes as I've been watching since the Pertwee era so even beginning to think of the Doctor as this new god of the Timelords hurts my brain. Even if you don't go far back at all... how did the Timelords grant the Doctor more regenerations (to get around the limit of 13) if the Doctor is the source of regenerations and never had a limit anyway?
I'm writing a book that is going to be the last story of the Doctor, I found a way around it. Not thinking about selling it, it's a project for myself
@@Nintendalek42 THIS a hundred thousand times.
Its not retcons per se that are the problem, its that it took away meaningful & replaced it with generic
I remember my female friend was so hyped about a female doctor. She would like to mention it every now and then but then afterwards she never said a word about the series again.
Yes, perhaps we should start focusing less on being a being a female/brown/etc X and start being an X that is female/brown/etc. The doctor was used to promote social commentary, with making compelling story and characters barely an afterthought.
I find a timeless being’s “gender” to be completely uninteresting. It’s this ham-handed approach that led to people feeling let down.
To be fair, I can see from her point of view. It wasn't "it's about time for a woman to play the doctor" but more of a "ohh yay, a female doctor, I wonder how the new season will go?" I can relate if an actor I like is going to star in a show I like. I did however warn her to temper her expectations because Chris Chipnel was in charge of the series.
Same… I haven’t tried to convert anyone in years
It was unusual, but a thing of our time, to just put women into roles and say that this is cool. And when hearing about it, despite it being unusual for the series and a common marketing sense theese times to do that thing, i really looked forward to see, what character she would be. But in the first episode, when the new doctor normally literally explores who he/she/it is now, i waited and waited. And i still wait to find out what kind of doctor she is.
Just sad. Like: "Oh she is a women. Ok thats enough specialisation on character. Maybe lets be her alway right, making the companions obsolete." (sounds a little sexist to me)
@@Reiners_Eulenspiegel I don't necessarily think it's sexist that she's always right. I think Chibnall was trying to play into 'the doctor is the most important being to have ever existed' idea he was setting up or he just wrongly assumes that the doctor has always been morally superior.
I hereby express what I consider to be the highest praise possible: It was worth the wait.
agreed
this is a fucking masterpiece
I knew it would be beautiful from the intro.
General kenobi, you are a bold one
Actually no that was a given
Jay - I'm at the hospital waiting for some tests on my stomach and you are keeping me company. Your voice, wit and humor are so comforting to me.
Thank you for being you.
This video made me realise 2 things:
1. That Jodie’s run really is as bad as everyone’s said and most of it comes from Chibnall not knowing how to write
2. The Doctor Who audiobooks are actually really good and I wanna get more after listening to Blood of the Daleks
And Jodie said anyone can play the doctor. She has no respect for the Doctor or the the program cannon. May she be thrown into a black hole and not be seen again until judgement day.
@@JE-western-rider Know Madvocate’s hour-long criticism of The Flash,
which extremly-much mirrors Jay Exci talking about Doctor Who?
🌎🐸🐸🐸🐸🌪️🌪️🌪️🐸🐸🐸🐸🌏
He said, it really will get better. Well can it get worse without letting it be taken over by Hollywood?
@@alwaysflushinpublic Yep.
Thats why i support not just social Commentary like Jay Exci or his 'bigger siblings' Hbomberguy, Critical Drinker and Some More News,
but also loads and boat-loads of Science-TH-camrs.
Hoping all this causes Waves of Positivity.
This series really holds your hands. And both of your feet. And just kinda drags you towards wherever the plot demands.
This is the best description of this season lol, you deserve more likes.
@@natasha8007 i halp! i gave you one too, jic.
Always nice to see a GG reference in the wild
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(pre edit: cringe picrew pfp)
@@FL2070 Look, I may be a lesbian, but even I can tell that they're hotter than fuckin' MS-paint Professor Fate over here
"The Timeless Children is an episode where The Master takes The Doctor to Gallifrey in order to show her a PowerPoint presentation that ends with a slide saying 'You were adopted.'"
- Stu and Jay from their talk-Dr-Who video on Jay's second channel
Literally who?
@@Antiyoukai TH-cam search "Jay Exci and Stubagful talk Doctor Who: The Timeless Children" and go to 47:47 ish in that video.
@@Antiyoukai the person you're watching and one other lmao
The doctor is adopted? that explains why nobody loves her!
The Timeless child makes no sense. Not only was it established that the time vortex is the cause of Time Lord regeneration, it was SHOWN that it demonstrably is. It's why River Song was able to regenerate, it's why she was kidnapped by the Silence to begin with, because she was conceived in the time vortex and gained the abilities of a Time Lord.
that implies that rory got ntr'd
Did everyone miss the fact that they teleported to outerspace without space suits and with lungs full of oxygen? Wasn't there an entire episode about how that would make you instantly blowup or something? The one with Capaldi when the doctor went blind cuz he had to give his helmet to Bill?
Chipnell has stronger plotarmor in his drawer.
Oh, come on. It's not as if there's some sort of electronic device that can be used to look up information and knowledge about various subjects in a few seconds. You can't expect such impossibly hard to find facts to be researched for some children's fantasy space adventure show.
The blowing up thing is a myth I think actually came from sci fi.
You would just freeze to death while your blood boils.
Basically you would just become a hot pocket
@@cursedaudio984 Would the Oxygen still in your lungs not have any negative effects though (among all the ones that happen irrespective of your lungs)? Genuinely curious since I don't know the science and obviously good OR bad DW isn't trustworthy for what the writers were trying to work with
@@cursedaudio984 I think his point is basically that since the "your lungs will blow up" was actually explained by the Doctor in-universe just last season, their lungs not blowing up in that acene is a continuity error.
Subverting The Doctor's prejudices was already done in Classic Who in The Curse of Peladon. In the story, The Doctor instantly assumes the Ice Warriors are the ones behind the evil plan simply because he's fought them twice in the past. However, not only are they not the antagonists, but they assist the Doctor in bringing the real villain to justice.
It is a shame in that context that the sequel to that serial, The Monster of Peladon, decided to double back on in and made Ice Warriors the one to plot it all.
It is great decision in narrative sense in my opinion though, the betrayal from previous ally which made the story unpredictable.
@@MF2X360 Call me Overanalytic,
but... is it all Coincidence?
All the hyper-massive-overload-Trash-Quality
we get?
'The Last Airbender' was just a total Failure that 'happened',
so its to be assumed this very, very, very rarely just
happens in the Film Industry. BUT then 2019 and
later Years found a massive Increase
of this.
All these beyond-arrogant Creators create beyond-trashy
Content... Mulan 2020, Artemist Fowl, and this and that and this-that...
Pokemon, which is big enough, but Star Trek is even older
and Doctor Who is EVEN OLDER! All this and more:
Countless big Franchises are Burning.
They are burning alive and i wonder if this is
not literally the obvious Sign for
Social Problems und Social Scars going throughout
all Industrys.
I almost wonder... is the Quality-Standart of this Planet going down?!?
Call me Overanalytic,
but... is it all Coincidence?
All the hyper-massive-overload-Trash-Quality
we get?
'The Last Airbender' was just a total Failure that 'happened',
so its to be assumed this very, very, very rarely just
happens in the Film Industry. BUT then 2019 and
later Years found a massive Increase
of this.
All these beyond-arrogant Creators create beyond-trashy
Content... Mulan 2020, Artemist Fowl, and this and that and this-that...
Pokemon, which is big enough, but Star Trek is even older
and Doctor Who is EVEN OLDER! All this and more:
Countless big Franchises are Burning.
They are burning alive and i wonder if this is
not literally the obvious Sign for
Social Problems und Social Scars going throughout
all Industrys.
I almost wonder... is the Quality-Standart of this Planet going down?!?
Odd Question maybe, but whats going on with Earth?
@@loturzelrestaurant one problem - modern Star Trek kicks fuckin ass
@@superjoeyman1 No it doesnt, actually.
Objectively, its just burning alive like Pokemon, Doctor Who, and multiple other Franchises.
It has Documentarys of just how massively overdrive-like it sucks, just like the other 2.
They are literally in the same Situation.
You just apparently got blinded, so you dont know this...
...
It's hard to explain, but the moment when the thirteenth doctor says "How human, still got the emotions then?" exudes a lot of that age and wisdom that the doctor is supposed to have, which frustrates me immensely. The worst part about this incarnation of the doctor is that she has her moments - and when she does, you start to see the remnants of what could have been an amazing season and character hidden underneath the garbage writing. If Jodie had only been given better scripts, she may have been one of my favorite doctors. It's a shame.
As much as I dislike this era of Doctor Who, it never feels like Jodie is to blame. She does a great job acting the terrible lines she's given.
@@AnEnormousNerd Exactly! Despite her scripts, she still does a phenomenal job at acting.
Is she in anything good? I'm kinda in love with her after watching 5 hours of this
@@morethan1 Whilst I was waiting for the new series to come out I wanted to see what kind of things she’d been in. I watched this drama called Trust Me that had just finished at the time where she plays a nurse that steals her friend’s identity to work as a doctor when she announces she’s quitting her career to go live on a farm with her boyfriend/husband. It’s really good but I think each season is a different story. I only saw the first season which she’s in as that’s what was out at the time but I’d definitely recommend it.
@@RunRobbieCheese that sounds great, ty!
What Ive never understood is how Chibnall could mess upp characterizing a female police officer dreaming of more when that is basically Gwen from Torchwood, a show which he pretty much ran. This has always confused me.
I never made that connection before omfg
Considering that the characterisation of everyone in Torchwood series 1, the one that Chibnall basically ran all on his own, was all over the place, I'm not surprised about it at all. Torchwood became good when the BBC hired Gary Russell as a babysitter for Chibnall.
@@GermanLeftist Possibly but Gwen is pretty well characterized in her first appearence in episode one. If you greatly done, atleast adequately. Her first words are not "I wanna do more" while dreaming of doing more... You see it on her face in the rain at the chrime scene while watching Torchwood go by, and its confirmed when she chooses to follow Jack into an unknown area, even when she knows nothing and isnt trained for it.
@QuadeS04 Torchwood was never good....
@@lovablesnowmanchildren of earth was good and i'll stand by that
The Master: You are a bit older than you thought you were, and also the Timelords did some stuff that’s completely normal for them to do.
The Doctor: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
“Why would the open quote decadent, degenerate and rotten to the core close quote society lie about this!!!!!!”
@Sypha Flowen I assume the same way he thought making a phone call from Jodrell Bank to the rest of the universe constituted ruling over it.
@Sypha Flowen missed oportunity, have it so the timeless child is the master. The master then has a reason for his maddness and resentment of the timelords, it explain missy not being his final death and how he is able to kill the timeloard (because as the timeless child he is unkillable and able to go on an unstoppable rampage and uses the same device the doctor thought they used in the time war)
after explaining all this he then gives a line about "well, if they felt it was ok to experiment on me..." *cyberlords walk in* "I decided I'd do some experiments of my own"
Also I like how cyberlords where already established with matt smith and how regenerations would just destroy the cyber part of them...
That fact that Chibnall wrote this farce of a Doctor KILLING a TARDIS, which are SENTIENT AND ALIVE by the way, enrages me.
I can't watch that scene without imagining a human companion being sacrificed. Put on a big "Wasn't that clever?" grin when all you had to do was simply kill off one of your friends!
@@not_enough_space RIGHT????
Wtf? Do you have a timestamp? I don't remember this
It happens in the latest episode during near the end of the new year special
@@ff10fire666 I thought it was in the video, I didn't watched the last season of the show
"I never use guns...because bombs are more effective!"
Great moral lesson, Doc.
Sounds like something a terrorist organisation would say lol
Tf2
"I will only use a weapon if it's a guaranteed warcrime every time I use it. Guns leave too many people alive."
-13th Doctor, apparently
Before the last two seasons, the Doctor has:
-nearly broken a man's neck and beaten people unconscious multiple times
-sentenced a whole family to an eternity of torture
-commited genocide (more than once)
-destroyed a planet
@@totallynotaferret which one?
Chibnalls writing SCREAMS “I want to be praised for addressing touchy and complex topics but I’m only going to barely touch the surface level concepts because I don’t actually care and am incapable of forming complex thoughts”
The thing Classic Who taught me about guns: There's always a better way. Be clever, kind and inquisitive and you can find it.
The thing The Colonel taught me about guns: There's not always enough time to be clever, kind and inquisitive when people are dying.
And it strikes me to the core that Colonel Lethbridge-Stewart was one of the few people that The Doctor admired.
Agreed. Sometimes a gun is needed and others words and personality can save you.
I’ve always loved the Brigadier for being an actual alternative philosophy to the Doctor’s that stood his ground with a mutual respect between the two. They force each other to recognize the circumstantial flaws in both without the show making it an obvious right/wrong
Honestly, I want to see a doctor who actually uses weapons and tech more. Like we've seen him extend the forcefield on his Tardis to protect himself and even the massive station from thousands of Dalek ships firing on it... How many people have we seen disintegrated right in front of him because the only thing he insists on bringing is his damn screwdriver... Most recently, the bubble thing jack used to break them out of prison, that would come in handy in a million different situations, how many times have we seen people die because they got trapped in a room? Could use the matter ray jack Harkness had when we first met him or even the nanobots that could heal literally anything. Why does the doctor not have magical nano bots that can heal any living creature as long as it isn't dead? I get being against guns and killing but how many times has he seen Daleks and cybermen exterminating and upgrading entire civilizations.
What about the random alien device he hacked to make 'Me' invincible? That was literally some random medical unit he jerry rigged to heal Maisie Williams and it ended up making her invincible and it lasted literally until the death of the universe since we saw here there... Why does the doctor not carry more of those around or give them to his companions, I get not wanting to 'curse' them with immortality but surely he could give them a temporary one or at least some kind of personal force field device, maybe some kind of healing kits or nanobots... Hell, jack gets his hands on vortex manipulators all the time despite the doctor confiscating like 3 or 4 different ones. He hates the 'cheap and dirty time travel' aspect of it but he could just give his companions wrist watch teleporters that only teleport back to the Tardis in the event of danger... For a man who witnesses so much death and is forced to commit so many atrocities like genocide, you think he'd better prepare himself.
He's come across so much tech in his life and understood it all immediately but just leaves behind these super useful inventions, even if he didn't want to make his own he could just take them since most of them are on planets or space ships about to explode or they're about to get destroyed in some way... Plus, isn't it cannon that he has a device in the Tardis that can literally make anything? The timelord equivalent of a 3d printer that was briefly shown in the space scavenger/junkyard crew episode, they were using a device to determine the worth of things and beyond the door it said there was "anything, a device that could make anything you can think of" and he supposedly uses that to instantly rearrange and create new rooms in the Tardis. We wouldn't really have a show if he was even half competent and prepared for emergencies but it would also be cool seeing him actually use time lord tech once in a while, show how advanced his race really was...
@@DrakeOola The doctor hasn't ever really cared about saving people though. It's never really been his mission to do that, he just wants to go on adventures and have a good time. He happens to run into a lot of situations where he is presented with the opportunity to save lives, and he would never pass that opportunity up, but going anywhere with an expectation that he would be doing anything more than sightseeing just isn't really in character. At least traditionally.
but the doctor has time
My only exposure to Doctor Who was that one time Van Gogh went to his own exhibit
Didn’t have anything to add, just thought it was a nice moment
To be fair for only 1 experience. It’s a pretty good one 😂
That general feeling was pretty pervasive when I watched it, but partway through Capaldi's run it just got ridiculous. I had to stop watching, and I knew I'd never go back when I saw an interview with the actress they were going to have play the Doctor next, only to find out she wasn't thrilled to play the character, like all the rest had been, she was just happy the role was going to a woman. If the bbc wants to boil everything down to genitalia I see no reason to tune in.
@@WheresTheBandwagon Mine was the empty children and I was 5
@@Isaac_Clarke Again, one of my favourite episodes. Although at 5, watching that scary stuff might have put me off for life
@@WheresTheBandwagon It still creepy now but yeah pretty decent. Do you like 13
Even with all the people claiming this is needlessly negative, I'd like you to know that watching this made me realize how much i love Doctor Who, and start watching it again after an almost ten year break. Thanks, mate.
Me too! I haven't watched in five years and this reminded me how much I love it
I'd heard a lot about Doctor Who but never got the urge to go and watch it until I saw this video. I'm grateful, too, because I've absolutely fallen in love with the show (binged my way through the first two seasons way faster than reasonable lmao)