Commander Staples Tier List: Based on FUN | How Fun are Commander's Most Powerful Spells?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2022
- We're plugging some of Commander's most powerful staples into a tier list, but for FUN! Let's see which ones are the most enjoyable to play against.
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I actually like it when my opponents play turn 1 Sol Ring, I can't entirely explain why but I think part of it is that if someone else plays Sol Ring turn 1, I know I can develop my board state and game plan without worrying about anyone targeting me for at least a little while
What do you MEAN grave titan isn’t considered a “staple”?!?
"Everyone gets one cast of jeska's will..."
Honestly it's easy to see why so many people like Green and why Green's being pushed so much by looking at this list; none of the individual cards or even the play patterns are groanworthy by themselves. However, I do see people complain a lot about how Green decks tend to get out of control too easily and just overwhelm you. So there's kind of a weird discrepancy there that I'd be interested in seeing explored.
Really suprised that Extra Turn spells and Planeswalkers in general weren't on here
You can absolutely save yourself from a Rift. Eerie Interlude, Guardian of Faith, Teferi's Protection, that kind of thing.
Grand abolisher effects feel a lot more fair when it's in a combat deck. Especially ones without access to hoofy boi. Tangentially related; I use Tidal Barracuda in a no-combo combat-win-only Donal deck. The extra benefit to my opponents can really incentivize them to leave it on the field, while still helping me get my Donal triggers each turn.
To me having a creature countered is usually more frustrating than having it removed because I feel that oftentimes that counter could be used to stop some more dangerous noncreature threat that the spot removal cannot handle so it feels like it's wasted on the creature and it might allow someone else to just run away with the game (unless it's monoblue and they use counterspells for any and all threats in which case fair enough). Also obviously you get ETBs if something is removed after entering rather than countered. That said counterspells are more often than not the thing that saves a game from going to hell when someone threatens to get massively ahead too early or win anticlimatically, so I appreciate their presence in the ecosystem obviously.
In a world of content creators focusing on power levels in a casual format, this is brilliant original content! Also, sometimes judging fun levels of cards can be hard to predict in advance, making this type of content very helpful. Please do more of this type of thing!
I would've carved out Great Henge separately from the Beast Whisperer (and placed it along with the Rhystic Study, Smothering Tithe etc...). It just does EVERYTHING for often only two mana.
I do disagree to some extent on grand abolisher&co: combat-based decks, which I find to be a healthy and fun part of the ecosystem, feel to me already underrepresented when it comes to mid/high power. In white-based decks grand abolisher and ranger captain are important pieces to aggressive strategies, as they allow you to go in with a degree of consistency you can't find elsewhere: if they stick you are then safe to go bash some faces. Sure they are obviously also widely used to protect combos, but I've seen them played simply to bolster go-wide/tribal decks almost as often.
I think the reason counterspells feel so bad is because it feels like they left their mana open just to stop you from casting your grave titan out of spite instead of advancing their own board. Removal spells are less personal because maybe the 2/2 zombie won't attack you and you can keep your Shock in your hand until you need it.
Glad to hear the “stop winning on turn one” speech.
I completely agree, that for some reason, having your spell countered is worse than having your creature destroyed. I don’t know what it is about it. But I was playing magic with my dad yesterday and he used my mono blue deck and countered half my stuff and I realized how brutal it feels to be countered. (I also took the mono blue deck apart because I didn’t realize how horrible it felt to play against it)
The reason i personally dislike counter spell is because unless you are playing blue, there is no way to deal with it. If someone cast a removal there is always the chance you have some way of dealing with it. If you arent playing blue, the blue player is allowed to counter everything and the other people just have to watch. It definitely depends on level tho. If an infinite combo gets countered fair, since that is prob the only way of dealing with it. But i guess since me and my friends play a lower level it mostly comes down to, I decide what you play.
When it comes to removal or counter spells, “make them have it.”
I feel like the main problem with counterspells is there's little to no way to protect your cards from them, it all depends on if your opponent has them or not. You can put hexproof and indestructible on a permanent on the board, you can use protection spells, or try bouncing it, but the only way to stop a counterspell is with a counterspell or a few specific cards and effects that don't work in most situations. It requires the blue player to have good timing, but realistically if they have a counter there's nothing you can do but accept it
I watch your videos almost every morning to start my day out right with wholesome magic content. Joe going off about how much they love board Wipes absolutely made my Friday. 💯
This is not a tier list, this is a "how much we like to see it" list xD i do love it though, not gonna lie!
Man your list baffles me. I guess maybe because I view these cards from a standpoint of how fun they are for me to play. And playing against them just motivates me and the rest of the pod to target them, ipso facto, making it more fun, because banter