CORRECTIONS: As a Penobscot viewer (and King William's War reenactor, to boot) pointed out in the comments, I called the late-17th century sachem of that nation Mokawando - his name was in fact Madockawando. Somehow I misplaced an entire syllable. Sorry about that, y'all. A buddy of mine, also a Native reenactor, caught another error. We actually _do_ know of a woman who ran the gauntlet, Susanna Johnson, a New Hampshire woman taken by the Abenaki in the 1750s. Having heard how horrible the ordeal was, the heavily pregnant Johnson expected the worst - but to her immense relief, the warriors only tapped her lightly on the shoulder with their weapons as she passed by. According to my buddy this is because the gauntlet was "meant to ritualistically kill the individual . . . to make them a new person in the eyes of the community."
Waitaminute: You told that Natives would take captives to included them into their community, but later you reject the hypothesis that Marie and Hanna would be treated like family.
I wonder if the gauntlet was used differently on different people. Men might be treated differently from women and noncombatant captives differently than opposing fighters
@@Vote4Drizzt having read hundreds of Captivity Narratives for my Masters and subsequent work, there seems to be no set pattern. Sometimes the captive is barely touched, especially the young and women, while at other times, especially during extended conflicts where the capturing people had suffered great losses, there are even fatalities. I recall one young boy "being hit with naught but a piece of pumpkin". John Giles, who was taken in the same conflict near Pemaquid by the Malacite doesn't run an actual "gauntlet" at all but instead forced to endure a strange circular "Slam-Dance" where he was thrown up and down around a large wigwam. archive.org/details/cihm_04813/page/n13/mode/2up
Your cinematography does not get enough credit, you're literally just sitting there talking about history, but the lighting and overall atmosphere makes it so captivating.
“All peoples deserve to dispatch loathsome enemies in fucking dope ass ways”…brilliant my man. As your other colorful commentaries were! I’ve never heard of these stories. Thanks. And yes, “the past is a foreign country, they do things different there”. P.S., SO GREAT TO MEET YOU MARDI GRAS DAY!!!!! The highlight of my day!! Love, Cindy.
@@AtunSheiFilms YES! Sorry I was so giddy…it was exciting to meet you but I was on my 4th Hurricane. 😂😎🤦🏻♀️ And thanks to your girlfriend for putting up with an adoring fan. 🥰
Native American here, not from the area described, though. Upper Ontario (Ojibwe). I appreciate your mention of the pain of the "Native Americans never did anything wrong" narrative. It is rather upsetting and definitely makes some natives here feel entitled to that which they did not earn. Thank you for another great video, Atun-shei!
I agree. It is possible to recognize the falsehood of the "pure and innocent indian" narrative while also facing the fact that First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples are more often than not treated like garbage in Canada to this day.
I've always found that one in particular to be deeply condescending. There is a tendency among the people who hold it to firstly homogenize all Amerindians into cohesive narrative, which while politically convenient couldn't be farther from the truth, and secondly immediately transpose their own idealized social and spiritual views onto natives as though these peoples did not have long and detailed histories and cultures of their own, cultures that have changed drastically with time and exposure. Like many things related to native issues, it's a direct transplant from social academics with little to no regard for the authenticity of those claims.
@@The_Crimson_Fucker This completely, I can't speak as a native, but I grew up speaking to couple of Coast-Salish tribes, and frankly, just looking at the amount of weird falsehoods that spring up about the local tribes. I.E. The massive amount of false-quotes or unlikely to be real quotes from Seattle (or are definite forgeries) the strange history of native x settler relations, there's loads of awful history that happened, often with differing motivations and histories. But homogenizing a mass of people with totally different customs and cultures into a singular pure and innocent people who lived in harmony with nature and totally projecting modern conceptualizations of gender onto diverse cultural traditions to transform the past into some ideal we can look up to is, freaky as heck. Hell, when I was as a kid, trying to learn a Salish dialect (I frankly don't remember which, almost everything I remember is limited to more correct pronunciation of a few of the local tribes, roads, features, etc) some of the first things I was told were insults directed at other tribes, not even sure the context other than old ladies telling me 'I probably shouldn't say those things to anyone.' Which I took to heart cos like, wow, I was a good little Christian who felt that 'gosh' was too vulgar at the time. Frankly it hits me weird, like, as Ukrainian/Ruthian diaspora. I've had to deal with my entire life being told everything cultural I grew up with was 'just Russian', told that the language I grew up learning was 'just bad Russian' and while that may not be a popular sentiment at the moment due to current political events. It was something I was literally being mocked with weeks before the invasion by supposedly woke left-wing people. But at least Moscow and Kyiv have a very shared history and cultural similarities in a lot of aspects. I can't IMAGINE what it'd be like to be Algonquin and being culturally homogenized with a fake version of Chief Seattle some white guy made up in the 70s.
I love it when you do this kind of video. I'm doing my MA in history at the moment and recently finished a research project on how Puritan attitudes towards the conversion of Native Americans (Praying Indians etc) changed between the Pequot War and King Philip's War. I have to admit that the inspiration for this project was from your previous videos on King Philip's War, as I knew nothing about the topic before I stumbled across your channel. It was so much fun to dive into the strange world of 17thC Puritan New England and attempt to understand the millenarian and providentialist lens through which they viewed the world. Thanks for leading me to such a fascinating area of research!
A few days ago I saw a bit of graffiti that read "rapist". I first read it as "papist". Then I re-read it, then I thought "I've been watching too much witchfinder-general."
This is a genius way to show historical interpretation. Most historical documentaries just show it as black and white. Clearly their creators believe that subjectivity cannot go with an entertaining narrative. Atun Shei , you've proved them completely and utterly wrong!
The Hanna Dustin account seems to be very much in the genre of war atrocity pamphlets that were popular in 17th Century English culture. There are similar atrocity accounts from both sides of the various Irish wars and rebellions of the period and from every side of the 30 years war. Her account is certainly exaggerated partly by her and then again by the clergyman retelling it because he wants to shift copies. However some part of it is true in terms of deaths happening and people being left because they couldn’t continue the march. But that is the kind of nuance you don’t get in popular histories, in Northern Ireland this sort of stuff is very common as you have two communities both dedicated to maintaining a victim narrative that ignores their own agency and has them as the pure innocent victims.
It was a golden age for pamphleteering. Lots of great stuff from the English Civil Wars. The Roundheads had a particular fixation on Prince Rupert's poodle, like he was some kind of demon dog. They were positively jubilant when Boy (the dog's name) was killed at Marston Moor.
Yeah, that was the first age of mass media sensationalism. Its very familiar when you consider the news and social environment of today. As for northern ireland, I think the native irish were still the primary victims because they were the ones being colonized, but they were no saints either. It seems like the process of English colonization made the reciprocal violence inevitable.Much like New England.
@@waltonsmith7210 A lot of American frontiersmen came from or were descended from Ulstermen, also known as "white savages" by the colonial aristocracy.
I'm a descendant of Hannah Dustin and have had conflicting thoughts about her story. It was shared frequently by my grandmother and included in my family's book of memories. Just today I was reading an article about talks of removing or altering one of the statues of her. Then one of my favorite youtubers releases this awesome perspective literally just hours later. If google's reading my mind I think its ok in this case.
@@aaroncabatingan5238 why not? Up holding her legacy can be telling HER harrowing story. It is the right of those decendents to do that. Nit the Native Americans who kill Dustin's baby.
It’s always insane to hear about early colonial wars on this channel. I grew up in southern New England, smack dab in the middle of each of these diagrams and yet I’ve never heard anything about these wars whatsoever. Even in the heart of colonial New England, our education was basically “The pilgrims showed up, became friends with the natives, and that’s that.” Crazy how much of the story of early colonial-native relations is intentionally omitted.
You must have had some vague notion that the natives were pushed out though, right? Otherwise one would have to wonder why they aren't still around in equal numbers.
@@msaa1125 I was taught that relations between Indians and colonists started out more or less peaceful, gradually deteriorated into mistrust and warfare with fault on both sides and that the Indian nations were eventually destroyed. But, it was all broad strokes with very little detail. While I knew there was conflict between Indians and colonists in New England, I'd never specifically heard of King Williams War until I discovered this channel. Pontiac's Uprising, Tecumseh's War and the later wars against the Plains Indians were taught in a bit more detail, but just a bit.
@@Jotari funny, I actually always thought the opposite. I always wondered why they were around at all. It seems so different from all of the other conquest in human history, very restrained.
What I love about the Hannah Dustin story is that there’s so many ways to interpret it-like, I suppose one could argue that the taking of scalps shows a degree of resourcefulness in extreme danger; under the right circumstances you could spin that as an admirable quality Likewise, you can paint the same exact event as cold-blooded ruthlessness, a borderline war crime had the concept existed back then…
I love this style of video - simple storytelling but with engaging visuals - as someone who as a kid wanted to be a cartographer, I really enjoyed your 17th-century maps. Thanks again for the great video with all of the interesting details and context that you provide. Hope to learn more about these colonial conflicts in the future!
Your conclusion at the end is awesome. EVERYONE in history should have a chance to be badass on their own terms, and anyone can make irrational or evil decisions when they're scared and fearing for their lives. This is my favorite video from you in like a year
This might be your best work to date, though truth be told, I think I feel that way about what ever piece you release, so in truth, it probably comes down to, "what I watched last" being the "best" I appreciate the work you do, more than I can express and when I find work, will endeavor to do so financially as well
I'd love to see more of these early colonial videos, so much of what I was taught about early American history just skipped everything between Plymouth Rock and The Stamp Act.
@@AtunSheiFilms - Thanks, I've already enjoyed your other videos from the period. I do have a question though; what do we know about St Augustine over in Florida during the same period? That's another one of those little taught subjects when I was a kid, just, "St Augustine was the first town in America, but it wasn't until Jamestown in 1607 that American history REALLY began" (presumably because they were English.) It'd be interesting to know what (if anything) the Spanish were getting up to with their Native neighbors while The Witch Finder General was wandering around Massachusetts Colony.
My professor recently published a book on the Wabanaki called "Storm of the Sea" Extremely interesting Indian seafarers, not the type of people we think of when we think "pirate", but they were much more successful than the short-lived Carribean pirates.
@@AtunSheiFilms The book is available on Amazon (including a Kindle version). Perhaps it was my professor (Matthew Bahar), he wrote a Journal article called "People of the Dawn, People of the Door", which is available on JSTOR. btw, love your channel :) Edit: I just remembered I have a pdf of the article if you want it
My 6th great. Grandfather, Enoch Hutchins, was killed by Indians in his front yard in Kitterry Maine in 1698. My 6th Great grandfather Enoch Pugh was hanged by the Royal Governor of NC on 1771. Never name your kid Enoch.
My 6th great grand uncle , Anthony Hampton ( Wade Hampton III great great grandfather) on the Hampton side of my family was murdered by the Cherokee in Geer South Carolina along with his wife, son, and baby nephew also. The baby was bashed either aginst a tree or the house as there is two telling if the story, but the result was the same.
"The idiot sees the world as Good vs Evil. The cynic sees the world as Evil vs Evil. The truth that no one seems able to see is that the world is, and always has been, a battle of Good vs. Good." - Norm MacDonald
I find it interesting that the primary source on this incident is written by a Christian theologian, especially when it comes to the depictions of death. It seems to me that the adult captives could have been suffering from disease, malnutrition, or both which would have impacted their chances of survival from the outset. From the Christian perspective, it would have been beyond the pale to shorten someone's life, even if it meant that the person would have suffered less in the end and even if caring for this person would have put the rest of the group in danger. From the Penacook perspective, it was maybe seen as necessary to kill these captives because caring for them would have required the group to stop moving or move more slowly and would have placed everyone at risk of death from the elements. It's kind of interesting how these two moral frameworks collide.
I had an American history teacher in HS who was a great story teller like you. His passion gave life to those stories. I wish I had the power to contract you to make historic videos for public schools. You could help our next generation to be more conscious by having an interest in history
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 I think it's a French expression, I've never heard it used this way in English and it certainly does not have this meaning in my native language (Italian)
The Eastern Woodland raids on settlements in order to acquire people reminds me of the same phenomenon occurring on Mainland Southeast Asia, back when it was full of jungles and uncut forests. The population for much of premodern history was five to ten times less than neighboring China or India. Wars between Mainland Southeast Asian polities were fought over the seizing of people and resources and not for land due to this lack of population and the abundant nature of land of premodern Mainland Southeast Asia. Sources: Baker, Chris, Phongpaichit, Pasuk, 2017, "A History of Ayutthaya: Siam In The Early Modern World"
@@superfamousyoutuber3427 Of course they did, just as war helped transformed Europe into one of the most advanced regions of the world. The seizing of another kingdom's people and brining them to settle in their own kingdom meant much diversity and a transfusion of cultures from one place to another, aside from the bloodshed and the lack of consent. Ayutthaya dance and art flourished in Konbaung Burma as its military seized skilled performers and artisans from the destruction of Ayutthaya in 1767. The genetics of Cambodian people today are also much closer to Thai people than it's language family brethren in Vietnam and elsewhere, same with their respective languages. Many Mainland Southeast Asian states had strong martial cultures as a result of the periods of war throughout their history, especially with the Burmese, who successfully subjugated Siam on three occasions and defeated the Qing invasions of Burma in 1765-69. The Burmese military even crossed the Himalayan passes to attack Assam in Northeast India in the 1820s. Both Early Modern Myanmar and Thailand benefited in this kind of warfare in the development of its government/administration and their militaries (I'll mention only Thailand here because I'm more well-versed in it). The Siamese bureaucracy after the two epic falls of Ayutthaya reformed their administrative capabilities and instituted stricter forms of conscription as people were either seized by invading Burmese forces or fled into the forests in order to hide from these invaders. Most impressively, after both falls, Siam saw periods of much military and political success across the Southeast Asian mainland (late 16th and late 18th/early 19th centuries), acquiring vassal states in the form of Laos, Cambodia, the northern Malay sultanates, and Lan Na (now as part of Northern Thailand during this second series of crisis). This same leadership (Rattanakosin Kingdom) would later famously keep Thailand it's independence from European colonization in the 19th/early 20th centuries.
And also, the reason a Mainland Southeast Asian state, prior to the Modern Period, would war another state is to seize their riches. The Burmese attacked Ayutthaya multiple times due to it's reputation as a great and rich commercial hub in the region. This was particularly evident in the 1765-67 Burmese invasion as Ayutthaya was essentially razed to the ground, everything was destroyed and seized by the Burmese, just like what Rome did after conquering Carthage after the Third Punic War, to rid itself of a regional competitor.
Sources: Lieberman, Victor (2003). Strange Parallels Southeast Asia in Global Context, c. 800-1830: Volume 1: Integration on the Mainland. ("The Burmese military even crossed the Himalayan passes…" (p. 187), "The Siamese bureaucracy after the…")) Baker, Chris; Phongpaichit, Pasuk (2017). A History of Ayutthaya: Siam in the Early Modern World. ("The genetics of Cambodian people…" (p. 78-80), "the reason a Mainland…") "The Siam Society Lecture: A History of Ayutthaya (28 June 2017)". TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/2xA5I0jxoV8/w-d-xo.html
I’m born, raised, living in, and loving Maine. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you sharing this story.. my aunts micmac and as is her mom (closest thing I got to grandma honestly) and they’ve opened my eyes to so much ignorance..
As a descendant of Hannah Dustin, I found this video to be well done and honest. The one thing I’ve learned about history growing up is that it is sometimes messy. The story about Hannah Dustin and the Natives who were killed is one of these moments in history where things were messy, grisly, and tragic.
@@brittanyhayes1043 Yeah. I find that most of the people who hate the HD story (after knowing complete context of the geopolitical climate at the time) tend to be liberal Nativephiles. In truth, time does heal wounds because eventually a descendant of one of the tribes involved in King William’s War did marry into the Dustin family and made peace with what happened.
@@brittanyhayes1043 that's not really the point when under a critical lens Hannah Had incentive to kill the family, the chance at a bounty that was requested prior to her killing them which included the 6 children she scalped, and a story about her baby being murdered makes for a great justification vs it dying to the elements of exposures in winter during a long trek. We don't know for sure but her account is much easier to draw scrutiny against and in thr end she was paid for scalping 6 kids and become a celebrity he covers this in the video toward the end
As someone of rather mixed ethnicity, probably including Native American, a good many of my ancestors were enemies of the others, but they were my ancestors.
What I love most about these videos is the hard analysis and questions you often ask at the end. Because more often than not, I find myself lost in the thought of trying to piece together an answer, without stepping on some horrible misguided landmine of analysis. beautifully done as always
I honestly dont think I can seperate my modern judgement from certain historical figures. I dont think I can empathise with certain historical figures either. I can understand how they came to be, and sometimes the nuance of their way of thinking and actions but to empathise and not judge feels like too much leniancy for some people. I just cant bring myself to do it. I appreciate this video however. The reminder that history isnt black and white and can be tampered with in its retelling is good. The reminder that there is nuance in every story is good.
Maybe you should learn to. After all, they were human beings like us, but raised in a different culture and time. We would likely have been exactly like them if we were born in that period.
@@LordVader1094 By that same “standards of their time and culture” token you also have to remember that many things we today consider atrocities were also considered bad by many within their own time and culture, though that is lost in the telling. Columbus as an extreme example. It really varies case by case. That said I’m in the camp that some judgement is fine so long as you have some nuance and are aware of the cultural context. I mean you could even criticize the cultural context itself.
@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes I mean I still see Hamnah in this situation as justified as she was a mother who literally witnessed her baby bashed into a tree in front of her. Maybe don't nessary agree for her to kill all the Native children but I can actually see that if the narrative was switched for a mother Native Abinaki who was captured or threatened with enslavement. What say you if you agree to the Abinaki to kill the six white children for the bashed native american infant then?
@@brittanyhayes1043 I would ask if the baby was actually actually killed or if the woman used her baby's death of natural causes to justify her decision to kill ten people for money
This reminds me strongly of the antagonist's powerful line from the 1992 film adaptation of James Fenimore Cooper's novel The Last of the Mohicans, set in northern New York in 1757, during the French and Indian War, "Magua's village and lodges were burnt. Magua's children were killed by the English. I was taken a slave by the Mohawk who fought for the Grey Hair. Magua's wife... believed he was dead, and became the wife of another. The Grey Hair was the father of all that. In time, Magua became blood brother to the Mohawk... to become free. But always in his heart, he is HURON. And his heart will be whole again on the day the Grey Hair and all his seed are dead." A video like this makes it easy to understand the deep, justified hatred of the English and desire for revenge that movie's villain must have felt, as did the real-life Pennacook of New Hampshire 60 years before.
Dude. Completly underrated channel. I appreciate how you interpreted a universal lesson from a specific time and place. This is history: Not just a collection of names and dates, but an understanding of the past to help guide our present and future.
Speechless. All of it. Accents, acting, costumes, story telling skill, knowledge, and the ability to see a larger narrative than I have ever been presented with before. I am no doubt among people much brighter than I am here. But oh, my delight at your videos! Slowly working my way through. Just, all my heart, thank you. Thank you for teaching me.
As a Missourian I would love to see this kind of account in relation to the Missouri-Kansas Border war, better known as Bleeding Kansas. There's alot of emotion in the conflict that was significant in how the conflict transpired that often is lost in more objective telling of the history, which makes it a much harder conflict to understand
As a Kansan, I apologize for everything my statesmen did. However, if you wish to burn down Lawrence again, I only ask you let me join. Even we hate that town now
This is another masterpiece! I absolutely love your videos of 17th century New England history. It’s such a fascinating and oft overlooked area of American history. Even as a fan of history I know so little about these stories that I’m engrossed in your telling from first to last word.
As someone who had no idea about any of this aspect of history, this was fantastically presented, informative and entertaining, well worth signing up to your patreon to keep supporting such quality work.
This is simply amazing. Please, teach us more about how perspective can change the way history is taught. It is pretty much impossible to remove the story-teller from history, no matter how hard we try. It is so useful to recognize what perspective a particular history was written by and learn to interpret it through that lens. Thank you.
Fun fact: There's a statue of Hannah Dustin on the site of the killings in New Hampshire. She's actually the first American woman to be honored with a statue. Her story was especially popular in the 19th century, probably because it clicked so well with the concept of manifest destiny. And as always, excellent work!
As always you knock it out of the park with these videos on 17th century New England! I first fell in love with your channel watching the King Philip’s War documentary and the Sudbury Fight. Going to get your boardgame this year! Keep being awesome.
Great video! When i saw you uploaded i feel like a kid that just got his favourite toy on a Christmas morning! Learned alot from it too, especially about empathising with historical people. Im not American or a history buff so with every video of yours i learn alot of stuff, so thank you for that ❤️ Love from Malaysia :)
Dude, I absolutely love your channel. Every single goddamn video is done with such care and attention to detail, from your sources cited like a proper historian, to the dress, and to your dedication to setting a stark atmosphere with your talent of film-making. I love watching every single video of yours that comes out. I'm a History Education major currently taking a class on New France and their dynamic with the Algonquin peoples, and watching your videos about early colonial America just really scratch that particular itch for me. You just seem like you'd be an awesome dude to shoot the shit with and rant about different topics of history over a bottle of Whisky. Keep up the great work man, you're on the frontlines of America's war for its own history.
So excited to watch this video! One of my history professor's during grad school frequently used this story. Never heard it talked about outside of a classroom!
Excellent stuff as always. I can't believe I waited two months to watch this, your King Phillip's War video is one of my faves and this feels like a sequel to that. This story and the way you told it reminded me of S.C. Gwynne's book on the Comanche Wars, Empire of the Summer Moon. There is so much pain wrapped up in these conflicts, and it takes a steady hand to guide us through the pain and bring us to the human stories at their core. I think Gwynne accomplishes that in Summer Moon, and I think you accomplish that here.
I grew up right next to the Hannah Dustin house. Now I live down the street from the Salmon Falls Massacre. The echoes of these conflicts are all around us and nearly no one even knows about them.
I grew up in that area, Haverhill specifically and I've never known a non-local to say it correctly, nor Worchester. I am greatly impressed you got both right.
Another awesome video! Things were really kicking off in the late 1680s. The Glorious Revolution and King Williams/Augsburg War on both sides of the Atlantic, as well as the Salem Witch Trials. These are all connected! More videos showing this connection and making it more clear would be greatly appreciated!
I’m a massive saints fan living in California and I always assumed you were one too but now my head cannon has aligned with reality and I couldn’t be happier!
Another really fantastic video. Your New England native wars stuff is always especially great as there's nobody else (that I'm aware) covering this stuff, yet there is a fairly decent source base
A later war that has echoes of King Phillips war is Lord Dunmore’s war. It was fought across modern-day West Virginia and the Ohio River Valley shortly before the revolution. Lord Dunmore, a man taking a pro-British stance, started the war partly in order to direct the attention of the colonists from the taxes and injustices of the British government, and to the fight against the natives. If it sounds like something you’d be interested in, you should do a video on it!
A lot of this also reminds me of the Dakota Wars in Minnesota, Iowa and the eastern Dakotas against the Sioux. Lots of settlers were coming to this region and what made it all the more interesting is that federal troops were out east because of the Civil War, so a lot of militias were left out here and there were quite a few massacres on both sides ( though sadly, I don’t see a lot of history out here from the Native perspective and it’s the settler perspective that wins out unfortunately.)
@@TheBrunohusker We don't have a lot of Settler perspective either because it's always Native Americans that play the victim card when they were the ones attacking settler families.
@@brittanyhayes1043genuinely vile. It's one thing to want to see your ancestor as some mythical hero, but to say natives weren't victimized and try to paint literally all natives of every tribe as the aggressor, out of what I can only assume is prejudice, is not only incredibly ignorant but also just, like, really gross. You are talking about a group of people that the government tried to genocide, lady. Go to therapy.
I'm really glad you're doing these videos on the early colonial period in New England. It's super interesting, and you can kinda see the shape of things and the groundwork for everything that was to come regarding Native/Anglo-American relations. Side-note: I actually _did_ learn about King Phillip's War. In grammar school and high school, I think. Both in a small suburb right on Chicago city limits.
Extremely interesting. Great to hear both sides of the story as well as the fact that both accounts are problematic - everyone has their angle. I can well see that the Pennacook would want revenge on the English for their betrayal and that the settlers are simply 'squatters' on their land so going through Haverhill like the proverbial dose of salts is understandable On the flip side of the coin Hannah Dustin's actions are also understandable. Whether or not her baby was killed or simply died doesn't change the fact that she and her baby were kidnapped in the middle of winter and the baby died on the journey. To her the 'savages' were responsible and she wanted her own revenge - and got it. In the end it boils down to the fact that events occurred and were recorded and these records need to be understood in the context of the time. However, one should also remember that people recording history always have the barrow they're pushing and this needs to be taken into account as well.
I participated in a tiny dig at a once fortified church in Dover. I had no idea it was there and this war wasn't really taught in my schools so it was a really neat opportunity for me to learn more about my state during this war. I love your videos on this subject, I always learn something new!
PHILOSOPHY TIME!!! WHOOHOOO!!! Finally, history from subjective expieriences so we can better understand past peoples motivations, worldview and reasoning.
I just want to comment that this was a really good, video. I was enthralled the whole time. Excellent history. Excellent philosophy. But also, your talent as a story teller is shining through. I'd love to see more videos like this about pieces of history that are often glossed over or ignored, or even simply hard difficult to research. Really very well done.
I’ve actually been living in Maine for almost a year and I knew about none of this. I do a lot of work with the Wabanaki nation as an organizer, but I had no idea about king Williams war. Thanks for making this video.
Excellent presentation. I am at a loss how to praise this work to the level it deserves. For further research " Flintlock to Tomahawk" is a pretmodern text of King Phillip's War. It's completely biased from the English perspective but a good introductory source.
Awesome, I've been really wanting you to cover more history from the native american perspective for a while now. I hope you do a full video on the Haudenosaunee someday soon. I really enjoyed this video.
I was just wondering would you ever do a video on George Custer? I feel you're one of the very few historians that would give a equal/unbiased look at the man behind the legends
Are you talking about rehabilitating Custer’s reputation? I know that’s been a thing lately, but let’s be honest: Custer was a reckless headstrong soldier that needed to be kept on a very short leash. The Battle of Little Big Horn, though not entirely his fault, was almost the expected event resulting from giving such a man a semi-independent command that depended upon intricate convergences for the operation to succeed
@@warlordofbritannia I don't think Atun-Shei is the type to glam anyone up. he's a logical and honest man, so if he did make Custer look better it would be with truth and historical record. he wouldn't gloss over an autocity, or serious strategic blunder. I would be interested to hear what he has to say about such a controversial figure. I've only ever known Custer as an incompetent mass murderer. but I'm sure I don't know the whole story, could be worse, could be completely wrong. I'd be interested to hear what Atun-Shei has to say.
@@TheBlackwolf5011 I don’t know if I know more than Andy about Custer or not, but I know enough that even if we’d give Custer the benefit of the doubt for each questionable decision he made, he’d still come off as a one-trick pony-he was an aggressive cavalry man, best suited to leading a regiment at most, stretched to a brigade if under close supervision; utterly incompetent in all spheres beyond that limited role
Very well done sir! While I haven't always agreed with some of your conclusions, I think you really hit the nail on the head with how we should view the past. As my own mentor Dr. W. would say: "Subjecting the past to your modern agendas is meaningless, and you will never understand the past -- and probably haven't got a clue about the present."
Fantastic video dude. Great one to stumble upon while returning home drunk. I had a great time debating myself while boiling rice for a late night snack.
Hannah's story is always an interesting tale, my mom was proud of it and (of Haverhill stock herself) saw her as a spiritual ideal. Didn't learn much in this video, but it was still a fantastic job and one of my favorite in your catalog. Thanks for being awesome Ser.
Bravo! An excellent presentation of the ambiguity of history as applied to both sides. Please keep it up! PS - (George Armstrong) Custer had it coming!
You are such a talented storyteller (given your professional history I'm sure you put a lot of effort in to get to this point). I must take some devices from your videos and include them in my lessons in school; your narration and structuring makes a lecture/talk immensely captivating.
CORRECTIONS: As a Penobscot viewer (and King William's War reenactor, to boot) pointed out in the comments, I called the late-17th century sachem of that nation Mokawando - his name was in fact Madockawando. Somehow I misplaced an entire syllable. Sorry about that, y'all.
A buddy of mine, also a Native reenactor, caught another error. We actually _do_ know of a woman who ran the gauntlet, Susanna Johnson, a New Hampshire woman taken by the Abenaki in the 1750s. Having heard how horrible the ordeal was, the heavily pregnant Johnson expected the worst - but to her immense relief, the warriors only tapped her lightly on the shoulder with their weapons as she passed by. According to my buddy this is because the gauntlet was "meant to ritualistically kill the individual . . . to make them a new person in the eyes of the community."
Waitaminute: You told that Natives would take captives to included them into their community, but later you reject the hypothesis that Marie and Hanna would be treated like family.
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 treated like family and being incorporated/forced into families have two separate insinuations.
I wonder if the gauntlet was used differently on different people.
Men might be treated differently from women and noncombatant captives differently than opposing fighters
@@Vote4Drizzt sounds plausible
@@Vote4Drizzt having read hundreds of Captivity Narratives for my Masters and subsequent work, there seems to be no set pattern. Sometimes the captive is barely touched, especially the young and women, while at other times, especially during extended conflicts where the capturing people had suffered great losses, there are even fatalities. I recall one young boy "being hit with naught but a piece of pumpkin". John Giles, who was taken in the same conflict near Pemaquid by the Malacite doesn't run an actual "gauntlet" at all but instead forced to endure a strange circular "Slam-Dance" where he was thrown up and down around a large wigwam. archive.org/details/cihm_04813/page/n13/mode/2up
As soon as you hit me with that rewind, I knew this was going to be a banger.
Kings supporting kings, you love to see it
For one brief, horrified moment I thought you were Stefan Molyneux. I cannot begin to tell you how thrilled I am to see I was wrong
The legend appears
I swear that has to have been a reference to _Before the Devil Knows You're Dead._
@@fredericmartin7352 Samesies, my dude
Your cinematography does not get enough credit, you're literally just sitting there talking about history, but the lighting and overall atmosphere makes it so captivating.
Thanks, I'm very happy with how the lighting turned out.
I feel like videos made by filmmakers have a sort of production value behind them, that videos made by others don't have.
@@AtunSheiFilms I agree, turned out awesome. Keep up the great work!
Having duel lighting on your face while talking about conflicting viewpoints was awesome!
Nah, it's the casual drinking that does it :)
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Just as cool as the F***ing Chocolate Guy post his videos! What a treat!
There is no need for you to do that your SO is already up watching it.
I imagine being told this by 20 Wabanaki warriors in my bedroom.
“All peoples deserve to dispatch loathsome enemies in fucking dope ass ways”…brilliant my man. As your other colorful commentaries were!
I’ve never heard of these stories. Thanks. And yes, “the past is a foreign country, they do things different there”.
P.S., SO GREAT TO MEET YOU MARDI GRAS DAY!!!!! The highlight of my day!! Love, Cindy.
Hey! Did we meet on the steps by Jackson Square?
@@AtunSheiFilms YES! Sorry I was so giddy…it was exciting to meet you but I was on my 4th Hurricane. 😂😎🤦🏻♀️ And thanks to your girlfriend for putting up with an adoring fan. 🥰
@@comusrules1244 Never apologize for being giddy on Mardi Gras day. You were incredibly sweet and it was a highlight of the day for us too
@@AtunSheiFilms awwwww. You’re too kind. 🥰🥰🥰🥰😘
Native American here, not from the area described, though. Upper Ontario (Ojibwe). I appreciate your mention of the pain of the "Native Americans never did anything wrong" narrative. It is rather upsetting and definitely makes some natives here feel entitled to that which they did not earn. Thank you for another great video, Atun-shei!
I agree. It is possible to recognize the falsehood of the "pure and innocent indian" narrative while also facing the fact that First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples are more often than not treated like garbage in Canada to this day.
THANK GOD SOMEONE AGREES!
I've always found that one in particular to be deeply condescending. There is a tendency among the people who hold it to firstly homogenize all Amerindians into cohesive narrative, which while politically convenient couldn't be farther from the truth, and secondly immediately transpose their own idealized social and spiritual views onto natives as though these peoples did not have long and detailed histories and cultures of their own, cultures that have changed drastically with time and exposure.
Like many things related to native issues, it's a direct transplant from social academics with little to no regard for the authenticity of those claims.
@@The_Crimson_Fucker This completely, I can't speak as a native, but I grew up speaking to couple of Coast-Salish tribes, and frankly, just looking at the amount of weird falsehoods that spring up about the local tribes. I.E. The massive amount of false-quotes or unlikely to be real quotes from Seattle (or are definite forgeries) the strange history of native x settler relations, there's loads of awful history that happened, often with differing motivations and histories. But homogenizing a mass of people with totally different customs and cultures into a singular pure and innocent people who lived in harmony with nature and totally projecting modern conceptualizations of gender onto diverse cultural traditions to transform the past into some ideal we can look up to is, freaky as heck. Hell, when I was as a kid, trying to learn a Salish dialect (I frankly don't remember which, almost everything I remember is limited to more correct pronunciation of a few of the local tribes, roads, features, etc) some of the first things I was told were insults directed at other tribes, not even sure the context other than old ladies telling me 'I probably shouldn't say those things to anyone.' Which I took to heart cos like, wow, I was a good little Christian who felt that 'gosh' was too vulgar at the time.
Frankly it hits me weird, like, as Ukrainian/Ruthian diaspora. I've had to deal with my entire life being told everything cultural I grew up with was 'just Russian', told that the language I grew up learning was 'just bad Russian' and while that may not be a popular sentiment at the moment due to current political events. It was something I was literally being mocked with weeks before the invasion by supposedly woke left-wing people. But at least Moscow and Kyiv have a very shared history and cultural similarities in a lot of aspects. I can't IMAGINE what it'd be like to be Algonquin and being culturally homogenized with a fake version of Chief Seattle some white guy made up in the 70s.
@@WereScrib
This entire comment, precisely this in it's entirety.
I love it when you do this kind of video. I'm doing my MA in history at the moment and recently finished a research project on how Puritan attitudes towards the conversion of Native Americans (Praying Indians etc) changed between the Pequot War and King Philip's War. I have to admit that the inspiration for this project was from your previous videos on King Philip's War, as I knew nothing about the topic before I stumbled across your channel. It was so much fun to dive into the strange world of 17thC Puritan New England and attempt to understand the millenarian and providentialist lens through which they viewed the world. Thanks for leading me to such a fascinating area of research!
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A few days ago I saw a bit of graffiti that read "rapist". I first read it as "papist". Then I re-read it, then I thought "I've been watching too much witchfinder-general."
Thou art a most learned man
Those two words most assuredly mean the same thing. Thou art a truly godly man to think of one while reading the other.
@@leonhardeuler7647 Thank you mathematics
Uhh what’s the difference?
This is a genius way to show historical interpretation. Most historical documentaries just show it as black and white. Clearly their creators believe that subjectivity cannot go with an entertaining narrative. Atun Shei , you've proved them completely and utterly wrong!
The Hanna Dustin account seems to be very much in the genre of war atrocity pamphlets that were popular in 17th Century English culture. There are similar atrocity accounts from both sides of the various Irish wars and rebellions of the period and from every side of the 30 years war. Her account is certainly exaggerated partly by her and then again by the clergyman retelling it because he wants to shift copies. However some part of it is true in terms of deaths happening and people being left because they couldn’t continue the march.
But that is the kind of nuance you don’t get in popular histories, in Northern Ireland this sort of stuff is very common as you have two communities both dedicated to maintaining a victim narrative that ignores their own agency and has them as the pure innocent victims.
Great point. The Irish pamphlets are a lot like that, you’re absolutely right.
It was a golden age for pamphleteering. Lots of great stuff from the English Civil Wars. The Roundheads had a particular fixation on Prince Rupert's poodle, like he was some kind of demon dog. They were positively jubilant when Boy (the dog's name) was killed at Marston Moor.
Yeah, that was the first age of mass media sensationalism. Its very familiar when you consider the news and social environment of today. As for northern ireland, I think the native irish were still the primary victims because they were the ones being colonized, but they were no saints either. It seems like the process of English colonization made the reciprocal violence inevitable.Much like New England.
@@waltonsmith7210 A lot of American frontiersmen came from or were descended from Ulstermen, also known as "white savages" by the colonial aristocracy.
I have read the story of the baby being ripped out of a mothers arms and brains smashed out against a tree/wall/stone in several different events.
I'm a descendant of Hannah Dustin and have had conflicting thoughts about her story. It was shared frequently by my grandmother and included in my family's book of memories. Just today I was reading an article about talks of removing or altering one of the statues of her. Then one of my favorite youtubers releases this awesome perspective literally just hours later. If google's reading my mind I think its ok in this case.
You may be her descendant, but you are not her. Your legacy doesn't have to revolve around upholding her legacy.
@@aaroncabatingan5238 why not? Up holding her legacy can be telling HER harrowing story. It is the right of those decendents to do that. Nit the Native Americans who kill Dustin's baby.
@@brittanyhayes1043 every good story had three perspectives: the one side, the other side, and the outside.
@@DDragon501 Again, not the right of Native Americans to tell there decendants what to do in telling her harrowing story.
If your a decedent than you would spell her last name accurate 😂🤦🏻♀️ what was her sister Elizabeth famous for?
It’s always insane to hear about early colonial wars on this channel. I grew up in southern New England, smack dab in the middle of each of these diagrams and yet I’ve never heard anything about these wars whatsoever. Even in the heart of colonial New England, our education was basically “The pilgrims showed up, became friends with the natives, and that’s that.” Crazy how much of the story of early colonial-native relations is intentionally omitted.
You must have had some vague notion that the natives were pushed out though, right? Otherwise one would have to wonder why they aren't still around in equal numbers.
Really? In Ohio we learn about colonial native relations in New England
@@msaa1125 I was taught that relations between Indians and colonists started out more or less peaceful, gradually deteriorated into mistrust and warfare with fault on both sides and that the Indian nations were eventually destroyed. But, it was all broad strokes with very little detail. While I knew there was conflict between Indians and colonists in New England, I'd never specifically heard of King Williams War until I discovered this channel.
Pontiac's Uprising, Tecumseh's War and the later wars against the Plains Indians were taught in a bit more detail, but just a bit.
My class did cover these wars a little. (In CT) Not as much as this, tho.
@@Jotari funny, I actually always thought the opposite. I always wondered why they were around at all.
It seems so different from all of the other conquest in human history, very restrained.
What I love about the Hannah Dustin story is that there’s so many ways to interpret it-like, I suppose one could argue that the taking of scalps shows a degree of resourcefulness in extreme danger; under the right circumstances you could spin that as an admirable quality
Likewise, you can paint the same exact event as cold-blooded ruthlessness, a borderline war crime had the concept existed back then…
The concept of war crimes existed back then.
Could you clarify the point about resourcefulness? I am not quite clear on how that would show it.
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To depend on one’s self and little else to escape such a situation, and retain the foresight to take scalps
@@warlordofbritannia But why scalps? What’s the point of that?
@@jamesharding3459 for the 50 pound bounty.
I love this style of video - simple storytelling but with engaging visuals - as someone who as a kid wanted to be a cartographer, I really enjoyed your 17th-century maps. Thanks again for the great video with all of the interesting details and context that you provide. Hope to learn more about these colonial conflicts in the future!
Your conclusion at the end is awesome. EVERYONE in history should have a chance to be badass on their own terms, and anyone can make irrational or evil decisions when they're scared and fearing for their lives. This is my favorite video from you in like a year
This might be your best work to date, though truth be told, I think I feel that way about what ever piece you release, so in truth, it probably comes down to, "what I watched last" being the "best"
I appreciate the work you do, more than I can express and when I find work, will endeavor to do so financially as well
Ha, very kind of you to say, thanks. That's the goal, right? Always trying to improve
I'd love to see more of these early colonial videos, so much of what I was taught about early American history just skipped everything between Plymouth Rock and The Stamp Act.
I second that!
Absolutely! It's one of my absolute favorite periods. If you weren't already aware I have tons of videos on the topic in my back catalogue
@@AtunSheiFilms - Thanks, I've already enjoyed your other videos from the period.
I do have a question though; what do we know about St Augustine over in Florida during the same period? That's another one of those little taught subjects when I was a kid, just, "St Augustine was the first town in America, but it wasn't until Jamestown in 1607 that American history REALLY began" (presumably because they were English.) It'd be interesting to know what (if anything) the Spanish were getting up to with their Native neighbors while The Witch Finder General was wandering around Massachusetts Colony.
@@AtunSheiFilms Are you gonna cover the wars between connecticut and pennsylvania?
Read Allan Eckert books on the period if you want an unbiased and historically accurate read.
My professor recently published a book on the Wabanaki called "Storm of the Sea"
Extremely interesting Indian seafarers, not the type of people we think of when we think "pirate", but they were much more successful than the short-lived Carribean pirates.
Ooh where can I check that book out? I read a fascinating article about that recently (maybe it was by your professor) and would love to know more.
@@AtunSheiFilms
The book is available on Amazon (including a Kindle version).
Perhaps it was my professor (Matthew Bahar), he wrote a Journal article called "People of the Dawn, People of the Door", which is available on JSTOR.
btw, love your channel :)
Edit: I just remembered I have a pdf of the article if you want it
My 6th great. Grandfather, Enoch Hutchins, was killed by Indians in his front yard in Kitterry Maine in 1698. My 6th Great grandfather Enoch Pugh was hanged by the Royal Governor of NC on 1771. Never name your kid Enoch.
My great grandpa Eustace had a terrible name as well. He was plagued by various things until his dying day. His last words were "stupid dog"
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I appreciate this reference so much
Enoch: “I thought Enochs were supposed to live a long time.”
@@warlordofbritannia "Stupid dog! You make me looks bad"
My 6th great grand uncle , Anthony Hampton ( Wade Hampton III great great grandfather) on the Hampton side of my family was murdered by the Cherokee in Geer South Carolina along with his wife, son, and baby nephew also. The baby was bashed either aginst a tree or the house as there is two telling if the story, but the result was the same.
Love it when you do these histories. Well done!
"The idiot sees the world as Good vs Evil.
The cynic sees the world as Evil vs Evil.
The truth that no one seems able to see is that the world is, and always has been, a battle of Good vs. Good."
- Norm MacDonald
I would love to hear him explain that because it sounds like nonsense to me
Couldn't agree more.
I mean it usually is, sometimes it's good vs. evil.
Sounds a bit pretentious, honestly. Some history is and was black and white.
I find it interesting that the primary source on this incident is written by a Christian theologian, especially when it comes to the depictions of death. It seems to me that the adult captives could have been suffering from disease, malnutrition, or both which would have impacted their chances of survival from the outset. From the Christian perspective, it would have been beyond the pale to shorten someone's life, even if it meant that the person would have suffered less in the end and even if caring for this person would have put the rest of the group in danger. From the Penacook perspective, it was maybe seen as necessary to kill these captives because caring for them would have required the group to stop moving or move more slowly and would have placed everyone at risk of death from the elements. It's kind of interesting how these two moral frameworks collide.
I had an American history teacher in HS who was a great story teller like you. His passion gave life to those stories. I wish I had the power to contract you to make historic videos for public schools. You could help our next generation to be more conscious by having an interest in history
I love how you designate the native peoples by their endonym names. The more we talk about those original names, the more they can be popularised.
Democratized?
@@baneofbanes I think by "democratized" he meant "humanized." Opposite of "Republicanized."
@@Carneades2012 Democratized means "being known to the wider public". Nothing to do with the party. Maybe you don't have this word in English ?
@@lhistorienchipoteur9968 I think it's a French expression, I've never heard it used this way in English and it certainly does not have this meaning in my native language (Italian)
Ok. I modified my comment to be clear. Does "popularised" has the meaning of "being known by non-expert peoples" in english?
The Eastern Woodland raids on settlements in order to acquire people reminds me of the same phenomenon occurring on Mainland Southeast Asia, back when it was full of jungles and uncut forests. The population for much of premodern history was five to ten times less than neighboring China or India. Wars between Mainland Southeast Asian polities were fought over the seizing of people and resources and not for land due to this lack of population and the abundant nature of land of premodern Mainland Southeast Asia.
Sources:
Baker, Chris, Phongpaichit, Pasuk, 2017, "A History of Ayutthaya: Siam In The Early Modern World"
Cool!
Did these wars help contribute to the development of Southeast Asian cultures at all?
@@superfamousyoutuber3427 Of course they did, just as war helped transformed Europe into one of the most advanced regions of the world. The seizing of another kingdom's people and brining them to settle in their own kingdom meant much diversity and a transfusion of cultures from one place to another, aside from the bloodshed and the lack of consent. Ayutthaya dance and art flourished in Konbaung Burma as its military seized skilled performers and artisans from the destruction of Ayutthaya in 1767. The genetics of Cambodian people today are also much closer to Thai people than it's language family brethren in Vietnam and elsewhere, same with their respective languages. Many Mainland Southeast Asian states had strong martial cultures as a result of the periods of war throughout their history, especially with the Burmese, who successfully subjugated Siam on three occasions and defeated the Qing invasions of Burma in 1765-69. The Burmese military even crossed the Himalayan passes to attack Assam in Northeast India in the 1820s.
Both Early Modern Myanmar and Thailand benefited in this kind of warfare in the development of its government/administration and their militaries (I'll mention only Thailand here because I'm more well-versed in it). The Siamese bureaucracy after the two epic falls of Ayutthaya reformed their administrative capabilities and instituted stricter forms of conscription as people were either seized by invading Burmese forces or fled into the forests in order to hide from these invaders. Most impressively, after both falls, Siam saw periods of much military and political success across the Southeast Asian mainland (late 16th and late 18th/early 19th centuries), acquiring vassal states in the form of Laos, Cambodia, the northern Malay sultanates, and Lan Na (now as part of Northern Thailand during this second series of crisis). This same leadership (Rattanakosin Kingdom) would later famously keep Thailand it's independence from European colonization in the 19th/early 20th centuries.
And also, the reason a Mainland Southeast Asian state, prior to the Modern Period, would war another state is to seize their riches. The Burmese attacked Ayutthaya multiple times due to it's reputation as a great and rich commercial hub in the region. This was particularly evident in the 1765-67 Burmese invasion as Ayutthaya was essentially razed to the ground, everything was destroyed and seized by the Burmese, just like what Rome did after conquering Carthage after the Third Punic War, to rid itself of a regional competitor.
Sources:
Lieberman, Victor (2003). Strange Parallels Southeast Asia in Global Context, c. 800-1830: Volume 1: Integration on the Mainland. ("The Burmese military even crossed the Himalayan passes…" (p. 187), "The Siamese bureaucracy after the…"))
Baker, Chris; Phongpaichit, Pasuk (2017).
A History of Ayutthaya: Siam in the Early Modern World. ("The genetics of Cambodian people…" (p. 78-80), "the reason a Mainland…")
"The Siam Society Lecture: A History of Ayutthaya (28 June 2017)". TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/2xA5I0jxoV8/w-d-xo.html
I’m born, raised, living in, and loving Maine. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you sharing this story.. my aunts micmac and as is her mom (closest thing I got to grandma honestly) and they’ve opened my eyes to so much ignorance..
As a descendant of Hannah Dustin, I found this video to be well done and honest. The one thing I’ve learned about history growing up is that it is sometimes messy. The story about Hannah Dustin and the Natives who were killed is one of these moments in history where things were messy, grisly, and tragic.
And should be remembered and not changed because some tribe feels offended about how she killed them out of revenge and fear.
@@brittanyhayes1043 Yeah. I find that most of the people who hate the HD story (after knowing complete context of the geopolitical climate at the time) tend to be liberal Nativephiles. In truth, time does heal wounds because eventually a descendant of one of the tribes involved in King William’s War did marry into the Dustin family and made peace with what happened.
@@DarnedYankee And these are the same people who infantize Native Americans too which is cringe on a whole new level.
@@brittanyhayes1043 that's not really the point when under a critical lens Hannah Had incentive to kill the family, the chance at a bounty that was requested prior to her killing them which included the 6 children she scalped, and a story about her baby being murdered makes for a great justification vs it dying to the elements of exposures in winter during a long trek. We don't know for sure but her account is much easier to draw scrutiny against and in thr end she was paid for scalping 6 kids and become a celebrity he covers this in the video toward the end
@@cookie8162 But her baby was murdered.
As someone of rather mixed ethnicity, probably including Native American, a good many of my ancestors were enemies of the others, but they were my ancestors.
True. I am brazilian, with european, african and indian (natives) ancestors.
So far I'm just all European White from my ancestory research.
Except for 23and Me there is Western African and possible ancestory having g to do with the Island of Cypress.
What I love most about these videos is the hard analysis and questions you often ask at the end. Because more often than not, I find myself lost in the thought of trying to piece together an answer, without stepping on some horrible misguided landmine of analysis. beautifully done as always
I honestly dont think I can seperate my modern judgement from certain historical figures. I dont think I can empathise with certain historical figures either. I can understand how they came to be, and sometimes the nuance of their way of thinking and actions but to empathise and not judge feels like too much leniancy for some people. I just cant bring myself to do it.
I appreciate this video however. The reminder that history isnt black and white and can be tampered with in its retelling is good. The reminder that there is nuance in every story is good.
That's fair. Nobody else can tell you where you draw the line. it's something everyone interested in history has to figure out for themselves.
Maybe you should learn to. After all, they were human beings like us, but raised in a different culture and time. We would likely have been exactly like them if we were born in that period.
@@LordVader1094 By that same “standards of their time and culture” token you also have to remember that many things we today consider atrocities were also considered bad by many within their own time and culture, though that is lost in the telling. Columbus as an extreme example.
It really varies case by case.
That said I’m in the camp that some judgement is fine so long as you have some nuance and are aware of the cultural context. I mean you could even criticize the cultural context itself.
@@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes I mean I still see Hamnah in this situation as justified as she was a mother who literally witnessed her baby bashed into a tree in front of her. Maybe don't nessary agree for her to kill all the Native children but I can actually see that if the narrative was switched for a mother Native Abinaki who was captured or threatened with enslavement. What say you if you agree to the Abinaki to kill the six white children for the bashed native american infant then?
@@brittanyhayes1043 I would ask if the baby was actually actually killed or if the woman used her baby's death of natural causes to justify her decision to kill ten people for money
This reminds me strongly of the antagonist's powerful line from the 1992 film adaptation of James Fenimore Cooper's novel The Last of the Mohicans, set in northern New York in 1757, during the French and Indian War,
"Magua's village and lodges were burnt. Magua's children were killed by the English. I was taken a slave by the Mohawk who fought for the Grey Hair. Magua's wife... believed he was dead, and became the wife of another. The Grey Hair was the father of all that. In time, Magua became blood brother to the Mohawk... to become free. But always in his heart, he is HURON. And his heart will be whole again on the day the Grey Hair and all his seed are dead."
A video like this makes it easy to understand the deep, justified hatred of the English and desire for revenge that movie's villain must have felt, as did the real-life Pennacook of New Hampshire 60 years before.
"I cross out my account" is one hell of a one liner, even done by so many (especially so).
Dude. Completly underrated channel. I appreciate how you interpreted a universal lesson from a specific time and place. This is history: Not just a collection of names and dates, but an understanding of the past to help guide our present and future.
Speechless. All of it. Accents, acting, costumes, story telling skill, knowledge, and the ability to see a larger narrative than I have ever been presented with before. I am no doubt among people much brighter than I am here. But oh, my delight at your videos! Slowly working my way through. Just, all my heart, thank you. Thank you for teaching me.
As a Missourian I would love to see this kind of account in relation to the Missouri-Kansas Border war, better known as Bleeding Kansas. There's alot of emotion in the conflict that was significant in how the conflict transpired that often is lost in more objective telling of the history, which makes it a much harder conflict to understand
As a Kansan, I apologize for everything my statesmen did. However, if you wish to burn down Lawrence again, I only ask you let me join. Even we hate that town now
@@D29-t4kProbably a k-state fan, jealous of our championships.
This is another masterpiece! I absolutely love your videos of 17th century New England history. It’s such a fascinating and oft overlooked area of American history. Even as a fan of history I know so little about these stories that I’m engrossed in your telling from first to last word.
As someone who had no idea about any of this aspect of history, this was fantastically presented, informative and entertaining, well worth signing up to your patreon to keep supporting such quality work.
I love how much thought and production Atun Shei puts into his work. When the rewind segment hit I knew it was gonna be extra good!
This is simply amazing. Please, teach us more about how perspective can change the way history is taught. It is pretty much impossible to remove the story-teller from history, no matter how hard we try. It is so useful to recognize what perspective a particular history was written by and learn to interpret it through that lens. Thank you.
Fun fact: There's a statue of Hannah Dustin on the site of the killings in New Hampshire. She's actually the first American woman to be honored with a statue. Her story was especially popular in the 19th century, probably because it clicked so well with the concept of manifest destiny.
And as always, excellent work!
As always you knock it out of the park with these videos on 17th century New England! I first fell in love with your channel watching the King Philip’s War documentary and the Sudbury Fight. Going to get your boardgame this year! Keep being awesome.
Great video! When i saw you uploaded i feel like a kid that just got his favourite toy on a Christmas morning! Learned alot from it too, especially about empathising with historical people. Im not American or a history buff so with every video of yours i learn alot of stuff, so thank you for that ❤️
Love from Malaysia :)
Yay! Great to hear, thank you!
You truly have a gift for breathing real human life into dusty historical anecdotes.
The storytelling in your videos is always top quality
You are projecting light on a period which goes un-taught in schools - your style & knowledge is much appreciated!
Best video in a while. It is so difficult for us to see historical events really from the perspective of those who lived them. Thanks man.
Dude, I absolutely love your channel. Every single goddamn video is done with such care and attention to detail, from your sources cited like a proper historian, to the dress, and to your dedication to setting a stark atmosphere with your talent of film-making. I love watching every single video of yours that comes out. I'm a History Education major currently taking a class on New France and their dynamic with the Algonquin peoples, and watching your videos about early colonial America just really scratch that particular itch for me.
You just seem like you'd be an awesome dude to shoot the shit with and rant about different topics of history over a bottle of Whisky. Keep up the great work man, you're on the frontlines of America's war for its own history.
I have seen many of your productions, as a retired museum educator and part time tour guide, this was one of the very best!
Always love that you use the soundtrack from Ravenous it fits the time period so well and how dark the events were.
So excited to watch this video! One of my history professor's during grad school frequently used this story. Never heard it talked about outside of a classroom!
Excellent stuff as always. I can't believe I waited two months to watch this, your King Phillip's War video is one of my faves and this feels like a sequel to that. This story and the way you told it reminded me of S.C. Gwynne's book on the Comanche Wars, Empire of the Summer Moon. There is so much pain wrapped up in these conflicts, and it takes a steady hand to guide us through the pain and bring us to the human stories at their core. I think Gwynne accomplishes that in Summer Moon, and I think you accomplish that here.
I grew up right next to the Hannah Dustin house. Now I live down the street from the Salmon Falls Massacre. The echoes of these conflicts are all around us and nearly no one even knows about them.
I grew up learning about Hannah Dustin at school in Haverhill. 74 to 82. Thankful for my teachers.
I grew up in that area, Haverhill specifically and I've never known a non-local to say it correctly, nor Worchester. I am greatly impressed you got both right.
Another awesome video! Things were really kicking off in the late 1680s. The Glorious Revolution and King Williams/Augsburg War on both sides of the Atlantic, as well as the Salem Witch Trials. These are all connected! More videos showing this connection and making it more clear would be greatly appreciated!
Yay! Omg I’ve been begging for a king Williams war/queen Anne’s war video! Thanks so much man it’s flipping awesome
You are one of the only channels, or even people that I am so glad I get notified for. keep it up!
Every time I’m flogged with schoolwork, my favorite TH-camrs upload stuff.
I’m a massive saints fan living in California and I always assumed you were one too but now my head cannon has aligned with reality and I couldn’t be happier!
Brilliant. Great way to present history.
The Barry Lyndon like lighting is awesome!
One of the best videos you have ever made in my opinion. Well done.
These are such excellent videos of such an overlooked portion of US history. LOVE them all!
You continue to be one of the best creators on youtube
Another really fantastic video. Your New England native wars stuff is always especially great as there's nobody else (that I'm aware) covering this stuff, yet there is a fairly decent source base
As a Kayak Guide on the Merrimack around Haverhill, I’m so excited to see the story I’ve heard told for years get broken down here.
A later war that has echoes of King Phillips war is Lord Dunmore’s war. It was fought across modern-day West Virginia and the Ohio River Valley shortly before the revolution. Lord Dunmore, a man taking a pro-British stance, started the war partly in order to direct the attention of the colonists from the taxes and injustices of the British government, and to the fight against the natives. If it sounds like something you’d be interested in, you should do a video on it!
Go up! This sounds like a great topic for a video.
A lot of this also reminds me of the Dakota Wars in Minnesota, Iowa and the eastern Dakotas against the Sioux. Lots of settlers were coming to this region and what made it all the more interesting is that federal troops were out east because of the Civil War, so a lot of militias were left out here and there were quite a few massacres on both sides ( though sadly, I don’t see a lot of history out here from the Native perspective and it’s the settler perspective that wins out unfortunately.)
@@TheBrunohusker We don't have a lot of Settler perspective either because it's always Native Americans that play the victim card when they were the ones attacking settler families.
That was one I missed hearing about in school.
@@brittanyhayes1043genuinely vile. It's one thing to want to see your ancestor as some mythical hero, but to say natives weren't victimized and try to paint literally all natives of every tribe as the aggressor, out of what I can only assume is prejudice, is not only incredibly ignorant but also just, like, really gross. You are talking about a group of people that the government tried to genocide, lady. Go to therapy.
I'm really glad you're doing these videos on the early colonial period in New England. It's super interesting, and you can kinda see the shape of things and the groundwork for everything that was to come regarding Native/Anglo-American relations.
Side-note: I actually _did_ learn about King Phillip's War. In grammar school and high school, I think. Both in a small suburb right on Chicago city limits.
Once again, I'm reminded why I love this channel. So glad I subscribed so long ago. Always a pleasure.
Extremely interesting. Great to hear both sides of the story as well as the fact that both accounts are problematic - everyone has their angle. I can well see that the Pennacook would want revenge on the English for their betrayal and that the settlers are simply 'squatters' on their land so going through Haverhill like the proverbial dose of salts is understandable
On the flip side of the coin Hannah Dustin's actions are also understandable. Whether or not her baby was killed or simply died doesn't change the fact that she and her baby were kidnapped in the middle of winter and the baby died on the journey. To her the 'savages' were responsible and she wanted her own revenge - and got it.
In the end it boils down to the fact that events occurred and were recorded and these records need to be understood in the context of the time. However, one should also remember that people recording history always have the barrow they're pushing and this needs to be taken into account as well.
I participated in a tiny dig at a once fortified church in Dover. I had no idea it was there and this war wasn't really taught in my schools so it was a really neat opportunity for me to learn more about my state during this war. I love your videos on this subject, I always learn something new!
Love that you cover this period of history and do it so well. Hats off to you my good sir.
As always, love your stuff. I loved esspecially how the lighting in the video made you appear "two faced".
PHILOSOPHY TIME!!! WHOOHOOO!!! Finally, history from subjective expieriences so we can better understand past peoples motivations, worldview and reasoning.
I just want to comment that this was a really good, video. I was enthralled the whole time. Excellent history. Excellent philosophy. But also, your talent as a story teller is shining through. I'd love to see more videos like this about pieces of history that are often glossed over or ignored, or even simply hard difficult to research.
Really very well done.
"Are we sure it's a Atun Shei video?"
"Well he's using the 'Ravenous' soundtrack."
"Yeah it is."
Great video
Outstanding presentation. Really enjoyed it.
You have one of the best and most unique channels on TH-cam.
I’ve actually been living in Maine for almost a year and I knew about none of this. I do a lot of work with the Wabanaki nation as an organizer, but I had no idea about king Williams war. Thanks for making this video.
Thanks!
Excellent presentation. I am at a loss how to praise this work to the level it deserves. For further research " Flintlock to Tomahawk" is a pretmodern text of King Phillip's War. It's completely biased from the English perspective but a good introductory source.
Awesome, I've been really wanting you to cover more history from the native american perspective for a while now. I hope you do a full video on the Haudenosaunee someday soon. I really enjoyed this video.
I was just wondering would you ever do a video on George Custer? I feel you're one of the very few historians that would give a equal/unbiased look at the man behind the legends
Are you talking about rehabilitating Custer’s reputation? I know that’s been a thing lately, but let’s be honest: Custer was a reckless headstrong soldier that needed to be kept on a very short leash. The Battle of Little Big Horn, though not entirely his fault, was almost the expected event resulting from giving such a man a semi-independent command that depended upon intricate convergences for the operation to succeed
I would love to do something on Custer, but it would definitely be critical.
@@warlordofbritannia I don't think Atun-Shei is the type to glam anyone up. he's a logical and honest man, so if he did make Custer look better it would be with truth and historical record. he wouldn't gloss over an autocity, or serious strategic blunder. I would be interested to hear what he has to say about such a controversial figure. I've only ever known Custer as an incompetent mass murderer. but I'm sure I don't know the whole story, could be worse, could be completely wrong. I'd be interested to hear what Atun-Shei has to say.
@@TheBlackwolf5011
I don’t know if I know more than Andy about Custer or not, but I know enough that even if we’d give Custer the benefit of the doubt for each questionable decision he made, he’d still come off as a one-trick pony-he was an aggressive cavalry man, best suited to leading a regiment at most, stretched to a brigade if under close supervision; utterly incompetent in all spheres beyond that limited role
@@warlordofbritannia sounds about right. I just like to know more. I love history. No matter how ugly it gets, I still want to know more.
Very well done sir! While I haven't always agreed with some of your conclusions, I think you really hit the nail on the head with how we should view the past. As my own mentor Dr. W. would say: "Subjecting the past to your modern agendas is meaningless, and you will never understand the past -- and probably haven't got a clue about the present."
Dude just makes so excellent content. Seriously quality stuff
Loved the concept of changing perspectives in this video keep up the good work.
I appreciate the amount of effort he put into pronouncing all the names correctly of the tribes and the people
Fantastic video dude. Great one to stumble upon while returning home drunk. I had a great time debating myself while boiling rice for a late night snack.
I like the effort you put in the atmosphere.
Wonderful telling of a part of history I was unaware of, as well an overview of bias storytelling. Great video.
Hannah's story is always an interesting tale, my mom was proud of it and (of Haverhill stock herself) saw her as a spiritual ideal.
Didn't learn much in this video, but it was still a fantastic job and one of my favorite in your catalog. Thanks for being awesome Ser.
Another great video. Thanks Atun-Shei :)
War follows its own logic and the cries for vengeance are always the loudest.
And like that, that tribe earned my respect, for how they dispatched Waldron.
That one-liner is both badass, and genius!
Well done, the most balanced telling of the Hannah Dustin story I’ve heard. I dig your shit
Dude your videos are incomprehensibly good, I love the style of this story
Bravo! An excellent presentation of the ambiguity of history as applied to both sides. Please keep it up!
PS - (George Armstrong) Custer had it coming!
A thoughtful presentation. Very enjoyable and educating......thank you!
You are such a talented storyteller (given your professional history I'm sure you put a lot of effort in to get to this point). I must take some devices from your videos and include them in my lessons in school; your narration and structuring makes a lecture/talk immensely captivating.