I recently started a playlist with all my King Philip's War videos presented in chronological order, and I eventually hope to build it into a visual chronicle of the entire conflict. Watch it here: th-cam.com/play/PLwCiRao53J1zC_zUgjuB7hIVreGthh9nF.html
Thank you for the corrections. And for doing this series in the first place. One thing that's always confused and concerned me ever since I first discovered it is the "List of wars involving the United States" on Wikipedia. The U.S. seems almost allegic to the concept of "peaceful coexistence" in a way that other countries (even the ones "born in the fires of Revolution") rarely do. For over 90% of the years there has been a "United States", the U.S. has been fighting an almost continuous series of wars. Your _King Philip's War_ series sometimes seems to me like I'm finally being told out about the early childhood trauma that started a boy down the path to becoming that angry guy at the end of the bar who spends the whole night waiting for the chance to pick a fight. Then again, maybe I'm projecting because I'm from Canada and our national history is being the smarmy little brother in the top bunk who still gets along with Mom and Dad.
Lions lead by donkeys is Currently doing a series about king Phillips war. I listen to behind the bastards as well but I don't rember Robert doing any episodes on it.
Sadly still pretty dry about the Pequots he mentioned, as I think the Europeans getting around a large built structure of natives and then blockading anyone escaping as burning it to the ground is pretty much a done that before by time of KPWs....
In regards to the pronunciation of Wampanoag - I am a member of the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe and many of us pronounce it the way you did in your original video, including myself. Its actually a pretty heavily debated topic lol. Frankly, its been lost to time what was the "real" pronunciation so we can only speculate. To many, Wamp-Uh-No-Ag is preferred because it sounds more similar to how we believe the word was pronounced in our language, Wôpanâak (pronounced Woh-pan-ah-ack). To me, there is no right or wrong since we don't actually know for sure how it used to be pronounced. And regardless of how it used to be pronounced, languages change and evolve with time so what is old does not make it right in the current times. So don't feel bad about the pronunciation! We can't even decide ourselves lol
Based on absolutely no knowledge of the language and purely on my best guess, I've always read it in my head as ᴡᴀᴍᴘ-uh--ɴᴏ-ᵘᵍ. (With the -ag just barely there and the _a_ sounding like _about_ rather than _agriculture.)_
Thank you. As a European I learned a lot about American history through your channel and learned to understand the "American condition" a lot better. So I appreciate the dedication and diligence you show to your craft. Takes some character to correct yourself and it should be applauded. This makes YOU a credible source.
I've heard of the American experiment, but never the American condition. Can you extrapolate, or point me in the direction that would help me better understand the "American condition"?
@@eric8381 not to speak for the above comment, but from a European POV the USA has a specific character as a country with a great deal of confidence and a lack of hindsight for its history, so seeing some of the bloodier actions that formed the national character speaks a lot to both the idea of 'manifest destiny' and also the seeming arrogance of US 'freedom'
@@eric8381 I'm guessing they just mean the condition of being American, which to you is probably just normal life, but to us Europeans is something quite distinct. Edit: yeah, Edgar said it better.
What you said about the forts the natives had in comparison to what the colonists built sort of reminded me of the arms and armor in this war (way to be into what really matters, right?). You might assume at first blush that the English had a technological advantage with their firearms and steel plate armor. But the truth is, by the time of King Philip's War both sides were using much the same equipment. Most Indian warriors by that point were using flintlock muskets or carbines obtained through trade with Europeans. They were also now tending to use steel melee weapons (which included swords, rapier blades fastened to the end of a pike, and hatchets). On the New England colonist side, they replaced their matchlock muskets and pikes for flintlock muskets more rapidly than their counterparts did in Europe. No longer were they armored, as they already figured out that they could just dodge Indian arrows as long as they weren't caught by surprise; plus, the Indians were all now using guns, so armor was useless anyway. They also now preferred hatchets & knives for close quarters combat to the swords they used earlier in the century, and came to adopt the Indians' tactics in warfare (traditional European military tactics at the time didn't lend themselves so well in a forest). In short, both sides of the war used the same weapons and tactics, adopting these from each other. It really came down to the fact that the English had a tendency for total warfare, and their supply lines to England ensured that the New England colonists could ruthlessly and relentlessly bring their tactics to bear. Thank you for attending my TedxTalk (read: stupid ramble).
@@robertelder164 Matchlocks were already replaced by flintlocks in the Americas by this point, as I explained. They would have been more popular in the early 17th century (like in Jamestown).
Teaching US History and only mentioning that, "in 1620 the pilgrims landed and then in 1776 we declared our independence" is like watching an anime but skipping the character development arc.
No other metaphor was possible? Jesus Christ how far we have fallen. We have kids comparing the formation of USA to anime. Holy fuck young people are lost.
It's funny you say that. I just discovered this channel because the algorithm foisted his weaselly, philistine Gods and Generals lambaste video-essay at me, which was extremely disrespectful and bigoted against the "evil" Southern States, Checked a couple of his other videos, and yep... most are hysterically biased, simplistic clickbait. Like a guy pontificating about history after skimming a few Wikipedia entries.
Your first King Philip’s war video inspired me to take an interest in the conflict which would lead to it being the topic for my BA history dissertation (which you are acknowledged in) so this was really cool to see you go back and look over it again!
That's great. I wish there were more books available . Those that are, are quite difficult to read due to being rather dry. Let me know if you ever want to see the battle sites. I grew up here and love the history. Be happy to show you around.
its weird living literally 3 minutes away from the site of the first battle of king philips war...theres a large rock with a plaque inserted on the side of a road that I drive by all the time and never realized its incredible historical significance. As a rhode islander, looking back at our history seems even more puzzling and interesting than some of the Massachusetts colonial history
@@jkriz6346 - I went to school in the Pioneer Valley and have lived here for over thirty years. This video is the first time I'd even *heard* of a battle near Turners Falls.
These correction and self-response videos you've been doing lately are excellent. This is real history. Our knowledge of the subject matter evolves and it's up to the honest historian to correct himself if he expects to be able to critique the work of others. I just finished writing a correction video myself. I'm glad people are starting to watch my documentaries but I cringe knowing some of them have errors. And while I'm lucky it's mostly lost causers with a bunch of nonsense, sooner or later someone I respect is gonna notice and say something.
I'd love to see him write a short history of Metacomet's War - as he points out, the definitive history of the conflict is 50-60 years old now and overdue for a fresh look. If Mike Duncan can turn his podcasts into a couple of books, Atun Shei can certainly do likewise.
@@evansquilt I would love to see both Andy Atun-Shei and Cypher the Cynical Historian putting out GREAT books based on their original research and narratives. They both have a gift.
This is why we love you Andy. That video still holds up after so many years, and yet here you are course correcting yourself. You are certainly a humble soul my friend. It's a delight to see.
When a creator goes back to reexamine and correct their previous work it shows a level of maturity and also a sense that they have grown since then. I loved the other debunking Atun-Shei Films video about Brandon F and the Patriot. Good job Atun-Shei.
The largest error here, Metacomet's education, was actually the first thing I found out when doing some Wikipedia research after watching the original video. Hearing the correction made me remember this.
Hey, we met at Fort Mackinac in 2019. Your video actually inspired me to reach out to my college's history department, where I wrote my thesis in a subject I didn't study. Ultimately, when I graduated the department reached out and awarded me with an honors. Thank you for that inspiration.
Your channel was the first time I’ve heard of the war, so mistakes or not, you should be proud you’re introducing people to this very valuable aspect of North American history. Living in Canada, we are only now really grasping the history of European/Indigenous colonial relations, and I think this series is a valuable step.
I’m a huge fan of your videos, and lived in New England for a few years before moving to Virginia. This comment was typed in the shadow of the Great Swamp Monument in Rhode Island. I never would have come here if not for your work. Thank you.
I'm a Yankee from north of Boston with Puritan roots, and I recognize the self-criticism that comes with it. Good job. BTW, I was taught about King Phillip's war in some detail in high school ca. 1963.
I like seeing creators react to their own old content. I recently watched Shadiversity's and Alternate History Hub's reaction to their own first videos. It's was fun! Nice to see you're doing the same too!
I’d never heard of King Philip’s war before your video, so I appreciate you clarifying and correcting the original video because it sparked an interest in colonial history.
You are by far my favourite historian on TH-cam, I watch every single one of your videos and have a lot of respect for you. I really appreciate you going back and correcting your mistakes and it shows you are a man dedicated to the truth and not just the appearance of truth. Please never change ❤️💜
Just this morning I listened to the first part of the series about this war on the Lions Led by Donkeys podcast, and I was trying to remember where I had seen a video about the war a few years ago. And suddenly this pops up. Good job! I'm starting to feel like I have a sense of the broad outlines of King Philip's War, which is more than I can say for other US wars. I'm also getting curious about the one in the Philippines...
You are so incredibly hard on yourself… and I LOVE IT. So many people are afraid to challenge their own beliefs. I actually think that kind of complacency is a big issue facing our society (which is why I think it’s better to have ideas than beliefs: ideas can be easily changed, beliefs not so much). Great to see you constantly learning and questioning. It’s a big part of what make your channel as great as it is.
I truly appreciate you are able to look back, take criticism, and reevaluate your previous work. It's hard to do, no one likes to admit flaws or mistakes. Keep up the good work
I watched the original video awhile ago and subscribed to you because of it. You were the first and most knowledgeable, despite the "errors", some of which were in my understanding of the conflict as well, and entertaining. My first ancestor in North America survived Saugus Iron Works (to the best of my knowledge) to locate in Lyme (now Old Lyme) Connecticut. Either he or his son fought in King Philip's war. I am a student of colonial history and love your content!
Wow has it been four years already?! I think it's great that you hold yourself accountable like this, and whilst there are bits I sympathise with you feeling awkward at (pronunciation etc.), I just see it as a matter of learning and time. All filmmakers grow over time, and historians should learn more over time as well (even if this, unfortunately, is not always the case...), which means as a historical filmmaker you're pulling double duty. Factually, as an introduction to a section of history barely spoken about, this video does a lot to draw attention to both sides of the conflict and the lasting and deep effect it had on the American psyche and how it set the template for a lot of relations with the first people's for hundreds of years to come. You should be super proud of that.
Your self - critique Is an example for us all. Those are the videos that hook me up to your channel, I hope to see many more in the future, both large overviews and super specific ones on single events.
Right on, man! I just watched the first video you made earlier today, and am stoked to see this. I'm a descendant of the Hadley family, and my questions about the history of Massachusetts run rampant. I sure appreciate the insights!
Great to see you feel comfortable enough to criticise your early work. History is always changing in terms of new facts emerging, different perspectives being told and lies/exaggerations being fixed. Keep up the excellent work 👏
Congratulations. Good teachers are always reviewing the course material for corrections and clarifications. Sometimes we can slip up trying to find illustrations. I think 7:36 is the 1847(?) killing of Marcus Whitman from a late nineteenth century publication.
Algonquian is a language family. Algonquin is a tribe in Canada. The Wampanoag, Nipmuc, and Narragansett spoke Eastern Algonquian languages. The Algonquin language in Canada belongs to Anishinaabe, a different branch of Algonquian.
Dont forget about the Wampanoag on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. I believed they remained neutral during the war and have heard they maintained very cordial relations with the English on the islands. I came across one source, probably Philbricks book, that the population of the Wampanoags were numerous on the islands and wanted nothing to do with the conflict. Today they do have land reservations in the islands and are viewed to have contributed greatly for the development and economic growth of the islands . Overall, great video Andy!!
I remember the sound design in that video quite vividly when my teacher showed it in AP US history as a bit of extra stuff more specifically for me was the bit of yelling after the intro of Mosley that part really hit as a realization of this stuff actually happened and just words on a page so to speak
I'm just glad someone is actually putting this subject out there, because it's not taught in schools and almost no one has heard of it outside some historians. Even many who are into French & Indian War history don't know much about King Philip's War or even Queen Anne's War.
Thanks for this video and your others on King Philip’s War. One of my direct ancestors was Ephraim Child, who was killed on September 4th along with 15 other men with Captain Beers, as the group unknowingly walked into a trap on their way to garrison Hadley - not knowing it had already been attacked. It’s one thing to read the details, but your videos give a greater context and drama to the events, which I truly appreciate your efforts!
King Philips war was indeed a war no one in Europe ever had to deal with 😁 but I heard that after the war, England was very disgusted with the way things went in the colonies, and that’s what led to the colonies, becoming a military state with the British army taking over, which would eventually lead to colonial time of the 18th century and eventually the revolution. King Phillips war started all of that. This is probably why we were able to actually get an actual understanding on the frontier in the revolutionary war because we were just mimicking the same thing we did in the 17th century during King Phillips war the only differences instead of the way it gets the natives we were doing it against the British. I also know that 1678 would be the end of King Philips War.
I really like the music you used - specifically the 'horror sounding' cues. I'm a huge fan of the horror scores of Jerry Goldsmith, Chris Young et al and would very much like to know the source. Was hoping it might be in the description haha. Cudos on taking the time to review your old work with an honest eye
I read somewhere that my 9th-great-grandfather, Timothy Williamson (1621-1676), was killed in King Philip's War. Buried in Marshfield, Plymouth Colony, August 9, 1676.
Since I saw your first video, I've acquired several books about this fascinating and forgotten period of American history. You're so right about the Plymouth Rock to the American Revolution (with little or nothing mentioned in between) description which was taught in school. Thank you for opening my eyes and getting me involved in learning about this part of our history.
I cannot agree more heartily on the sound design and music for the first video. The raid sequence genuinely took me aback. When we discuss the violence of past wars, its easy to get used to the descriptions of pure carnage. This....stopped me. I hope to replicate this feeling for my DnD players one day
I don’t comment a lot, but I greatly enjoy your work. Props to you especially for going back over your old catalog and addressing previous discrepancies.
I respect the effort to write your own wrong in a manner that isn't just an apology video while also respecting your own short comings at the time. I haven't seen the original video, but I thank you for this one.
Going to King Philip High School and living in this general area my whole life, i only ever knew the foot notes of this war. In elementary school i was told it happened. In middle school i was told it happened but in slightly more detail. Then nothing until college where i read native american literature in my American Lit course. Its kinda insane how this bloody and messy war permanently shaped southern New England
Thank you. I love it when people correct mistakes and clarify events in their content. Very few do this. That being said, you still know an awful lot more about King Philips War than I ever did
Your King Philip's War video was the first one of yours I saw and I subscribed immediately. I was searching for "obscure wars" I had heard of in high school but whose details I had wholly forgotten. King Philip's War was one of them. The War for Jenkins' Ear was another one.
I greatly enjoyed your intro vid on King Phillips war and have always enjoyed reading about American Indian wars from Powhatan and Opechancanough, king Phillip, Pontiac, little Turtle etc. You have a great way with words and make the history come alive. I would definitely sign up for a history class if you were the professor. Thanks again for your time and effort.
I am so glad you're still making videos, and to think that for years later when you search King Philip's war, first second and third entry are all uUuu...
It's really cool that you put this out this week because Lions Led by Donkeys just finished their King Philips War series. I'm glad that I could get this addendum with sources. I want to learn more about this war.
Thank you for this. It is an honor and a pleasure to learn from your great work in these videos. I am definitely looking forward to more in the future.
Metacomet is one of my favorite historic figures and I'm so glad to see someone teaching the world about him! I'm actually taking a road trip to Mt. Hope sometime in the next couple weeks! I read the Schultz and Tougias book a while back, but I'm watching your videos to refresh my memory, and learn a bunch of new things! Keep up the great work :)
King Philip's name was also pronounced Metacom and Squanto's name was pronounced Squantum . Squantum is a place in Quincy . White people get things confused . Don't be too hard on them after 350 years .
For what it's worth your original video was the main reason I went to New England and saw all these historical sites. I learned a lot and had a great time.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but why do people seem to ignore the Anglo-Powhatan wars in favor of the New England wars? The first wars fought against Native Americans occurred in Virginia, not in New England. As we all know, Virginia was the site of the first English settlement some 10-11 years before the Pilgrim landing at Plymouth Rock, and the first conflict with the Natives was way back in 1609! To be sure, King Philip's War was a more widespread and devastating war against the Native power in North America or at least in the future Lower 48, but it was by no means the first. I'm a New Englander myself, and live on land that was formerly occupied by the Wampanoag Nation, so I'm not prejudiced against New England history. Just saying.........
Always good to see updates on old content when new information comes to the surface or you realize that it’s needed I would love to see something like this for the creek wars
Living in between the battle sites, in Eastern Connecticut, we did cover Kings Philip's War in high school. But your video did fill in a lot of details.
King Philip's Caves in triangle area of Northbridge, Mendon and Hopedale, close to Nipmuc high School, was a hang out for we adventurous young men 11 or 12 years old back in 70's. My grandfather told me he and his friends also would go there back in 1890's and was called King Philip's Caves back then.The caves were extremely remote and not an easy hike. From one peak you could see a bend of the Blackstone River way off in distance and picture what life may had been like centuries back , living off of the peaceful land.
Kind of Ironic, the Puritans were trying to avoid being assimilated by the Dutch culture and to avoid a war. They then went to the New world and tried to "assimilate" the Aboriginals and made war. 🤔
I recently started a playlist with all my King Philip's War videos presented in chronological order, and I eventually hope to build it into a visual chronicle of the entire conflict. Watch it here: th-cam.com/play/PLwCiRao53J1zC_zUgjuB7hIVreGthh9nF.html
Props to wearing the same outfit for continuity purposes
Thank you for the corrections. And for doing this series in the first place.
One thing that's always confused and concerned me ever since I first discovered it is the "List of wars involving the United States" on Wikipedia.
The U.S. seems almost allegic to the concept of "peaceful coexistence" in a way that other countries (even the ones "born in the fires of Revolution") rarely do. For over 90% of the years there has been a "United States", the U.S. has been fighting an almost continuous series of wars.
Your _King Philip's War_ series sometimes seems to me like I'm finally being told out about the early childhood trauma that started a boy down the path to becoming that angry guy at the end of the bar who spends the whole night waiting for the chance to pick a fight.
Then again, maybe I'm projecting because I'm from Canada and our national history is being the smarmy little brother in the top bunk who still gets along with Mom and Dad.
Is the boardgame now abandonware?
The Lions Lead By Donkeys podcast is doing a few part series on it
I love the Louisiana History videos!
He got tired of correcting Confederates and now he’s doing a 10-episode series called “Checkmate, Atunites!”
brrrrrt
@Nicholas Time Some might say Sunnis
@Nicholas Time Not the Filmites?
Welp he did tell us if he did that he needed money.
@@paulleverton9569 I'll hold you to that.
It's all good man. You're still the one stop solution for the King Philip's war content drought online.
Seconded. Thanks for revisiting your own work. Any good book gets a second edition with some corrections.
Behind the Bastards just dropped a series on it.
Lions lead by donkeys is Currently doing a series about king Phillips war. I listen to behind the bastards as well but I don't rember Robert doing any episodes on it.
Sadly still pretty dry about the Pequots he mentioned, as I think the Europeans getting around a large built structure of natives and then blockading anyone escaping as burning it to the ground is pretty much a done that before by time of KPWs....
@@carlhoppe9035 Yay Liam and/or Joe
In regards to the pronunciation of Wampanoag - I am a member of the Mashpee Wampanoag Tribe and many of us pronounce it the way you did in your original video, including myself. Its actually a pretty heavily debated topic lol. Frankly, its been lost to time what was the "real" pronunciation so we can only speculate. To many, Wamp-Uh-No-Ag is preferred because it sounds more similar to how we believe the word was pronounced in our language, Wôpanâak (pronounced Woh-pan-ah-ack). To me, there is no right or wrong since we don't actually know for sure how it used to be pronounced. And regardless of how it used to be pronounced, languages change and evolve with time so what is old does not make it right in the current times. So don't feel bad about the pronunciation! We can't even decide ourselves lol
Thank you for kind information and balanced addition.
100 bucks says Aquinnah pronounces it differently.
Based on absolutely no knowledge of the language and purely on my best guess, I've always read it in my head as ᴡᴀᴍᴘ-uh--ɴᴏ-ᵘᵍ. (With the -ag just barely there and the _a_ sounding like _about_ rather than _agriculture.)_
Thank you. As a European I learned a lot about American history through your channel and learned to understand the "American condition" a lot better. So I appreciate the dedication and diligence you show to your craft. Takes some character to correct yourself and it should be applauded. This makes YOU a credible source.
Same here.
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I've heard of the American experiment, but never the American condition.
Can you extrapolate, or point me in the direction that would help me better understand the "American condition"?
@@eric8381 not to speak for the above comment, but from a European POV the USA has a specific character as a country with a great deal of confidence and a lack of hindsight for its history, so seeing some of the bloodier actions that formed the national character speaks a lot to both the idea of 'manifest destiny' and also the seeming arrogance of US 'freedom'
@@eric8381 I'm guessing they just mean the condition of being American, which to you is probably just normal life, but to us Europeans is something quite distinct.
Edit: yeah, Edgar said it better.
Did he miss his graveyard set so much that after throwing it out he had to go to an actual graveyard to feel at home again?
What you said about the forts the natives had in comparison to what the colonists built sort of reminded me of the arms and armor in this war (way to be into what really matters, right?). You might assume at first blush that the English had a technological advantage with their firearms and steel plate armor. But the truth is, by the time of King Philip's War both sides were using much the same equipment. Most Indian warriors by that point were using flintlock muskets or carbines obtained through trade with Europeans. They were also now tending to use steel melee weapons (which included swords, rapier blades fastened to the end of a pike, and hatchets). On the New England colonist side, they replaced their matchlock muskets and pikes for flintlock muskets more rapidly than their counterparts did in Europe. No longer were they armored, as they already figured out that they could just dodge Indian arrows as long as they weren't caught by surprise; plus, the Indians were all now using guns, so armor was useless anyway. They also now preferred hatchets & knives for close quarters combat to the swords they used earlier in the century, and came to adopt the Indians' tactics in warfare (traditional European military tactics at the time didn't lend themselves so well in a forest). In short, both sides of the war used the same weapons and tactics, adopting these from each other. It really came down to the fact that the English had a tendency for total warfare, and their supply lines to England ensured that the New England colonists could ruthlessly and relentlessly bring their tactics to bear.
Thank you for attending my TedxTalk (read: stupid ramble).
Spot on. All very true
Thank you for that reminder and expansion on that point!
Matchlocks
@@robertelder164 Matchlocks were already replaced by flintlocks in the Americas by this point, as I explained. They would have been more popular in the early 17th century (like in Jamestown).
The natives had obtained carbines by this time?
The fact you did the first video all from memory makes it a lot more impressive in retrospect.
All memory is in retrospect.
@@arifshahabuddin8888 OK buddy you're done. Let's go.
"I've done no research"
Teaching US History and only mentioning that, "in 1620 the pilgrims landed and then in 1776 we declared our independence" is like watching an anime but skipping the character development arc.
Man, this Eren Yeager fellow sure seems to have a bee in his bonnet.
“Nani?!?!”
No other metaphor was possible? Jesus Christ how far we have fallen. We have kids comparing the formation of USA to anime. Holy fuck young people are lost.
@@mang0donald874 I would be deeply disturbed if a child had this profile pic and name.
Like watching Naruto first episode then going straight to Boruto
This is why I love your channel. You're not making click-bait, you're trying to tell stories accurately and respectfully.
It's funny you say that. I just discovered this channel because the algorithm foisted his weaselly, philistine Gods and Generals lambaste video-essay at me, which was extremely disrespectful and bigoted against the "evil" Southern States, Checked a couple of his other videos, and yep... most are hysterically biased, simplistic clickbait. Like a guy pontificating about history after skimming a few Wikipedia entries.
@@FungusMossGnosis Arya kidding me?!
Your first King Philip’s war video inspired me to take an interest in the conflict which would lead to it being the topic for my BA history dissertation (which you are acknowledged in) so this was really cool to see you go back and look over it again!
You know you've made it vig when your cited in dissertations and possibly a textbook later
That's great.
I wish there were more books available .
Those that are, are quite difficult to read due to being rather dry.
Let me know if you ever want to see the battle sites. I grew up here and love the history. Be happy to show you around.
I always like being reminded that you’re a fellow Masshole. Gives me hope I can one day be accepted outside of our weird little former colony.
Massachusetts has inflicted enough damage on the United States without making Massholes acceptable in polite society.
its weird living literally 3 minutes away from the site of the first battle of king philips war...theres a large rock with a plaque inserted on the side of a road that I drive by all the time and never realized its incredible historical significance. As a rhode islander, looking back at our history seems even more puzzling and interesting than some of the Massachusetts colonial history
@@jkriz6346 ever been to 9 mans misery in Cumberland?
@@jkriz6346 - I went to school in the Pioneer Valley and have lived here for over thirty years. This video is the first time I'd even *heard* of a battle near Turners Falls.
Take that, Sheinites!
Hopefully there will be more Chekmate Linkonites episodes
@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 there’s going to be 2 more
@@jarl_winter One more
@@AtunSheiFilms ....wooooooo *shoots an LeMat revolver in the ceiling*
I think you mean “checkmate sheinites”
These correction and self-response videos you've been doing lately are excellent. This is real history. Our knowledge of the subject matter evolves and it's up to the honest historian to correct himself if he expects to be able to critique the work of others. I just finished writing a correction video myself. I'm glad people are starting to watch my documentaries but I cringe knowing some of them have errors. And while I'm lucky it's mostly lost causers with a bunch of nonsense, sooner or later someone I respect is gonna notice and say something.
I'd love to see him write a short history of Metacomet's War - as he points out, the definitive history of the conflict is 50-60 years old now and overdue for a fresh look. If Mike Duncan can turn his podcasts into a couple of books, Atun Shei can certainly do likewise.
@@evansquilt I would love to see both Andy Atun-Shei and Cypher the Cynical Historian putting out GREAT books based on their original research and narratives. They both have a gift.
This is why we love you Andy. That video still holds up after so many years, and yet here you are course correcting yourself. You are certainly a humble soul my friend. It's a delight to see.
When a creator goes back to reexamine and correct their previous work it shows a level of maturity and also a sense that they have grown since then. I loved the other debunking Atun-Shei Films video about Brandon F and the Patriot. Good job Atun-Shei.
As an educator trained as a historian, I appreciate your dedication to self correction!
The best (and pretty much ONLY) King Philip’s war videos online.
You are on this council, we grant you the rank of master.
The largest error here, Metacomet's education, was actually the first thing I found out when doing some Wikipedia research after watching the original video. Hearing the correction made me remember this.
Hey, we met at Fort Mackinac in 2019. Your video actually inspired me to reach out to my college's history department, where I wrote my thesis in a subject I didn't study. Ultimately, when I graduated the department reached out and awarded me with an honors. Thank you for that inspiration.
I'm from Fall River Massachusetts, I'm always amazed in the amount of people that never heard of king Phillip's war. Its local history and fascinating
Your channel was the first time I’ve heard of the war, so mistakes or not, you should be proud you’re introducing people to this very valuable aspect of North American history. Living in Canada, we are only now really grasping the history of European/Indigenous colonial relations, and I think this series is a valuable step.
I got my pronunciation of Wampanoag from the original video. I blame you for all of my life’s problems since then.
7:37 that dude in the rocking chair, reading his book, not hearing any of the commotion behind him. That’s got to be an AMAZING book.
To be honest as an European I've heard of King Philip's war because of you, appreciate the corrections, have a Happy New Year.
I’m a huge fan of your videos, and lived in New England for a few years before moving to Virginia.
This comment was typed in the shadow of the Great Swamp Monument in Rhode Island. I never would have come here if not for your work. Thank you.
I'm a Yankee from north of Boston with Puritan roots, and I recognize the self-criticism that comes with it.
Good job.
BTW, I was taught about King Phillip's war in some detail in high school ca. 1963.
This is the type of mature self analysis and correcting your previous work more history youtube should aspire for
I’m super glad that you’re making corrections to old content. It’s admirable, and shows that history isn’t always a straight line.
I like seeing creators react to their own old content. I recently watched Shadiversity's and Alternate History Hub's reaction to their own first videos. It's was fun!
Nice to see you're doing the same too!
One of the many things I love about this channel is that he isn't above correcting his own previous errors and setting the record straight.
I’m loving these retrospective videos of yours!
I’d never heard of King Philip’s war before your video, so I appreciate you clarifying and correcting the original video because it sparked an interest in colonial history.
This is the best channel on youtube that I never heard of before a couple weeks ago.
I like the resently divorced highschool teacher look! Well done Andy. =')
I wanna have a cool history guy do a video on top of my grave in 100 years. Lucky!
You are by far my favourite historian on TH-cam, I watch every single one of your videos and have a lot of respect for you. I really appreciate you going back and correcting your mistakes and it shows you are a man dedicated to the truth and not just the appearance of truth. Please never change ❤️💜
Just this morning I listened to the first part of the series about this war on the Lions Led by Donkeys podcast, and I was trying to remember where I had seen a video about the war a few years ago. And suddenly this pops up. Good job! I'm starting to feel like I have a sense of the broad outlines of King Philip's War, which is more than I can say for other US wars. I'm also getting curious about the one in the Philippines...
I got into a rabbit hole on KPW from both this channel and Lions Led By Donkeys. Interesting to see the synchronicity amongst content creators.
Same, wonder if the Lions Led by Donkeys podcast caused him to remember his original video.
@@1Cirmag Would be a great opportunity for a cross platform collaboration
same
The Philippines War is NOT for the faint of heart. Be warned.
You are so incredibly hard on yourself… and I LOVE IT. So many people are afraid to challenge their own beliefs. I actually think that kind of complacency is a big issue facing our society (which is why I think it’s better to have ideas than beliefs: ideas can be easily changed, beliefs not so much). Great to see you constantly learning and questioning. It’s a big part of what make your channel as great as it is.
Fairplay to you!
Not often you see someone admitting and correcting their mistakes.
I would love a “master cut” of the King Phillips War by yourself.
This was amongst the best videos you’ve done.
Here's the playlist th-cam.com/play/PLwCiRao53J1zC_zUgjuB7hIVreGthh9nF.html
@@AtunSheiFilms Great stuff as always!
It’s nice to see someone go back to their original videos and rework on them to correct the mistakes.
I truly appreciate you are able to look back, take criticism, and reevaluate your previous work. It's hard to do, no one likes to admit flaws or mistakes. Keep up the good work
I watched the original video awhile ago and subscribed to you because of it. You were the first and most knowledgeable, despite the "errors", some of which were in my understanding of the conflict as well, and entertaining. My first ancestor in North America survived Saugus Iron Works (to the best of my knowledge) to locate in Lyme (now Old Lyme) Connecticut. Either he or his son fought in King Philip's war. I am a student of colonial history and love your content!
This is awesome, I wrote a paper on King Phillip’s war for a Comp class, so I used your recommended readings.
Wow has it been four years already?!
I think it's great that you hold yourself accountable like this, and whilst there are bits I sympathise with you feeling awkward at (pronunciation etc.), I just see it as a matter of learning and time. All filmmakers grow over time, and historians should learn more over time as well (even if this, unfortunately, is not always the case...), which means as a historical filmmaker you're pulling double duty. Factually, as an introduction to a section of history barely spoken about, this video does a lot to draw attention to both sides of the conflict and the lasting and deep effect it had on the American psyche and how it set the template for a lot of relations with the first people's for hundreds of years to come. You should be super proud of that.
Thanks for the update brother. Appreciate your integrity. 😊😎🎄⛄🎄
Your self - critique Is an example for us all.
Those are the videos that hook me up to your channel, I hope to see many more in the future, both large overviews and super specific ones on single events.
Hey Andy, this popped up in my feed and reminded me of shooting the trailer for your King Phillip’s War movie idea. Had a great time that day.
thanks for your honest post production corrections- this is so important genuine-journalism -most appreciated
Right on, man!
I just watched the first video you made earlier today, and am stoked to see this. I'm a descendant of the Hadley family, and my questions about the history of Massachusetts run rampant. I sure appreciate the insights!
Love your awareness of your popularity, and willingness to correct your own content.
Great to see you feel comfortable enough to criticise your early work. History is always changing in terms of new facts emerging, different perspectives being told and lies/exaggerations being fixed. Keep up the excellent work 👏
Congratulations. Good teachers are always reviewing the course material for corrections and clarifications.
Sometimes we can slip up trying to find illustrations. I think 7:36 is the 1847(?) killing of Marcus Whitman from a late nineteenth century publication.
Algonquian is a language family. Algonquin is a tribe in Canada. The Wampanoag, Nipmuc, and Narragansett spoke Eastern Algonquian languages. The Algonquin language in Canada belongs to Anishinaabe, a different branch of Algonquian.
Dont forget about the Wampanoag on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket. I believed they remained neutral during the war and have heard they maintained very cordial relations with the English on the islands. I came across one source, probably Philbricks book, that the population of the Wampanoags were numerous on the islands and wanted nothing to do with the conflict. Today they do have land reservations in the islands and are viewed to have contributed greatly for the development and economic growth of the islands . Overall, great video Andy!!
I remember the sound design in that video quite vividly when my teacher showed it in AP US history as a bit of extra stuff more specifically for me was the bit of yelling after the intro of Mosley that part really hit as a realization of this stuff actually happened and just words on a page so to speak
It is really NICE to see a YTber able to correct himself, instead of pretending nothing ever happened.
Much appreciated.
Checkmate, influencers!
I'm just glad someone is actually putting this subject out there, because it's not taught in schools and almost no one has heard of it outside some historians. Even many who are into French & Indian War history don't know much about King Philip's War or even Queen Anne's War.
I love the references to Ravenous
"Any lesson taught by memory is going to have problems"
Stonewall Jackson sweats...
Thanks for this video and your others on King Philip’s War. One of my direct ancestors was Ephraim Child, who was killed on September 4th along with 15 other men with Captain Beers, as the group unknowingly walked into a trap on their way to garrison Hadley - not knowing it had already been attacked.
It’s one thing to read the details, but your videos give a greater context and drama to the events, which I truly appreciate your efforts!
King Philips war was indeed a war no one in Europe ever had to deal with 😁 but I heard that after the war, England was very disgusted with the way things went in the colonies, and that’s what led to the colonies, becoming a military state with the British army taking over, which would eventually lead to colonial time of the 18th century and eventually the revolution. King Phillips war started all of that. This is probably why we were able to actually get an actual understanding on the frontier in the revolutionary war because we were just mimicking the same thing we did in the 17th century during King Phillips war the only differences instead of the way it gets the natives we were doing it against the British. I also know that 1678 would be the end of King Philips War.
I really like the music you used - specifically the 'horror sounding' cues. I'm a huge fan of the horror scores of Jerry Goldsmith, Chris Young et al and would very much like to know the source. Was hoping it might be in the description haha. Cudos on taking the time to review your old work with an honest eye
I read somewhere that my 9th-great-grandfather, Timothy Williamson (1621-1676), was killed in King Philip's War. Buried in Marshfield, Plymouth Colony, August 9, 1676.
Since I saw your first video, I've acquired several books about this fascinating and forgotten period of American history. You're so right about the Plymouth Rock to the American Revolution (with little or nothing mentioned in between) description which was taught in school. Thank you for opening my eyes and getting me involved in learning about this part of our history.
Dude, you’re use of the Ravenous soundtrack for the video was so perfect and fitting. Working up to the blood fervor and chaos of the war
Commenting for the algorithm. Also because I love getting more information, thanks for the update!
Great stuff. I'm a big fan of your New England history content.
I TRULY respect a person who is mature enough to admit to mistakes and take steps to make things right. Kudos to you good sir!
Your video on this war piqued my interest weeks ago; and I'm currently waiting on my order of 'flintlock and tomakawk'. Thank you!
Introspection and reflection on previous work are signs of being a great learner and educator. Thank you for being you.
It's always nice to see a review of one's own opinion. We need more of that.
I cannot agree more heartily on the sound design and music for the first video. The raid sequence genuinely took me aback. When we discuss the violence of past wars, its easy to get used to the descriptions of pure carnage. This....stopped me. I hope to replicate this feeling for my DnD players one day
I don’t comment a lot, but I greatly enjoy your work. Props to you especially for going back over your old catalog and addressing previous discrepancies.
Well done fine sir! You've made this old, old Newfoundland Historian very proud!
I appreciate your efforts. I am a student of 17th c indigenous history.
Come out to western Massachusetts and do some filming here.
I respect the effort to write your own wrong in a manner that isn't just an apology video
while also respecting your own short comings at the time.
I haven't seen the original video, but I thank you for this one.
Going to King Philip High School and living in this general area my whole life, i only ever knew the foot notes of this war. In elementary school i was told it happened. In middle school i was told it happened but in slightly more detail. Then nothing until college where i read native american literature in my American Lit course.
Its kinda insane how this bloody and messy war permanently shaped southern New England
I'm very familiar with King Phillips war.. the casualty rates were crazy high based on population of settlers
Thank you. I love it when people correct mistakes and clarify events in their content. Very few do this. That being said, you still know an awful lot more about King Philips War than I ever did
Your King Philip's War video was the first one of yours I saw and I subscribed immediately. I was searching for "obscure wars" I had heard of in high school but whose details I had wholly forgotten. King Philip's War was one of them. The War for Jenkins' Ear was another one.
I greatly enjoyed your intro vid on King Phillips war and have always enjoyed reading about American Indian wars from Powhatan and Opechancanough, king Phillip, Pontiac, little Turtle etc. You have a great way with words and make the history come alive. I would definitely sign up for a history class if you were the professor. Thanks again for your time and effort.
I am so glad you're still making videos, and to think that for years later when you search King Philip's war, first second and third entry are all uUuu...
It's really cool that you put this out this week because Lions Led by Donkeys just finished their King Philips War series. I'm glad that I could get this addendum with sources. I want to learn more about this war.
Great work as usual Andy
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate the integrity. You have been raised well.
It's always respectable when a historian will reexamine previous work to clarify and update for accuracy. Well done Atun-Shei.
I remember this video and your Braveheart video is what got me into your content.
Thank you for this. It is an honor and a pleasure to learn from your great work in these videos. I am definitely looking forward to more in the future.
Metacomet is one of my favorite historic figures and I'm so glad to see someone teaching the world about him! I'm actually taking a road trip to Mt. Hope sometime in the next couple weeks! I read the Schultz and Tougias book a while back, but I'm watching your videos to refresh my memory, and learn a bunch of new things! Keep up the great work :)
King Philip's name was also pronounced Metacom and Squanto's name was pronounced Squantum . Squantum is a place in Quincy . White people get things confused . Don't be too hard on them after 350 years .
PLEASE do the story of the Northern/Southern Californian secession vote & what happened to the paperwork.
What you do is valuable and entertaining.
For what it's worth your original video was the main reason I went to New England and saw all these historical sites. I learned a lot and had a great time.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but why do people seem to ignore the Anglo-Powhatan wars in favor of the New England wars? The first wars fought against Native Americans occurred in Virginia, not in New England. As we all know, Virginia was the site of the first English settlement some 10-11 years before the Pilgrim landing at Plymouth Rock, and the first conflict with the Natives was way back in 1609! To be sure, King Philip's War was a more widespread and devastating war against the Native power in North America or at least in the future Lower 48, but it was by no means the first. I'm a New Englander myself, and live on land that was formerly occupied by the Wampanoag Nation, so I'm not prejudiced against New England history. Just saying.........
It adds to your integrity that you can revise your old videos. Remember, history is an argument without end.
Always good to see updates on old content when new information comes to the surface or you realize that it’s needed I would love to see something like this for the creek wars
Living in between the battle sites, in Eastern Connecticut, we did cover Kings Philip's War in high school. But your video did fill in a lot of details.
King Philip's Caves in triangle area of Northbridge, Mendon and Hopedale, close to Nipmuc high School, was a hang out for we adventurous young men 11 or 12 years old back in 70's. My grandfather told me he and his friends also would go there back in 1890's and was called King Philip's Caves back then.The caves were extremely remote and not an easy hike. From one peak you could see a bend of the Blackstone River way off in distance and picture what life may had been like centuries back , living off of the peaceful land.
Kind of Ironic, the Puritans were trying to avoid being assimilated by the Dutch culture and to avoid a war. They then went to the New world and tried to "assimilate" the Aboriginals and made war. 🤔