And technically, 2001 the film was co-written by Clarke and Stanley Kubrick. It was based on Clarke's short story 'The Sentinel' and later, Clarke developed the full novel 2001.
Glad your girlfriend convinced you to stick with it. As a history teacher myself, I can say your channel has been criminally underrated. I am glad to see it is starting to take off.
Alias Fakename I agree. I just stumbled on this channel a few weeks ago. I’m not sure why it wasn’t recommended to me way before now, considering all the military, arms, armor & history in my search profile. But I’m glad I finally got a chance to find this channel & I would’ve been heartbroken had it been one of those channels you sometimes find that fantastic content, but they haven’t posted anything new in like 2 years.
@@susanmaggiora4800 The Algorithm giveth, and the Algorithm taketh away. Couldn't tell you what brought him out of Algorithm Hell. He probably got put there just because "Oh, Civil War? Slavery? Nope that's not gonna be good for advertisers." But the videos with the most views, made recently in the last 3 week boost were 2 civil war videos, another Checkmate Lincolnites and The Best Civil War Movie from the Southern Perspective. I think the only way we could ever know what blew him up so fast, would be analytics from the channel's side of things.
Stymie Gray Cypher's shoutout kickstarted it, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that, but when he first reached out to me asking permission to use clips from my videos I thought it might get me 1k more subscribers total. This is way beyond what I expected. I think it's a vicious cycle. Cypher's Lost Cause video did exceptionally well, which drove more of an audience to me, which drove up engagement, which improved my standing in the eyes of Our Lord Algorithm, which sent more eyeballs my way, which drove up engagement again, etc etc. Hey, I'm not complaining. I've always wanted to make a living doing something I love and it seems like I might be on the verge of that.
@@AtunSheiFilms I literally found your channel because I watched some Crash Course videos on the civil war for Uni (American education at its finest) and your lost cause videos showed up in the recommendations. TH-cam is fucking weird.
I only learned this when another channel referenced, "checkmate lincolnites," and it was exactly what i was craving. A rebuke of anything being redeemable about the CSA. Hats off to this channel, you're girl sounds great, and keep up the good work.
"Downfall"...Not many have dared to portray Hitler in film beyond the portrait on the wall or desk. Having been done by the Germans themselves, lends it a potency that's difficult to explain, looking themselves in the mirror perhaps? At times you forget you're watching a movie and not in the room. I'm sure you've seen it and perhaps considered it. If not, you must. You just earned another subscription.
A fantastic movie, yes, but as history it suffers from being drawn from the diaries of those around Hitler who survived. For obvious reasons, they were keen to blame absolutely everything on those who did not survive - Hitler mainly, but people like Goebbels too. There was a lot of "I knew noothink!" in that film.
"Come and See" is probably a must watch for people that are use to the glorified viewing of war. The movie has a level of dread and uneasiness that is hard to shake off days later
After watching come and see, I felt like I had seen something completely insidious. Like I was truly transported into a world of hatred, disaster, and death. It is a brilliant film which I cannot forget. Also the way it affects you almost feels traumatizing. Like you seen something you shouldn’t have, but it’s something I reccomend anybody to watch.
I can’t believe we didn’t watch this in my soviet film class I took in college. Instead we watched the cranes are flying and the mirror among others I can’t remember
I'm forever pissed at HBO for canceling 'Rome' because 'it cost too much to make'. Only for them to make an even more expensive fantasy series that died like a fart in the wind.
@@RadoDani The bromance between Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus was too much 'toxic' masculinity apparently. Why teach viewers actual history in a fun fiction narrative when they can have agenda ridden BS written by Hollyweird insiders when the source material was exhausted? I think even the directors of a few episodes of 'Rome' were experts in Roman history.
I watched Come and See in a film class when I was completing my masters degree in European History. Seeing that picture in a classroom was...something. After it was over, the professor invited comments, but we all just got up and left, no one person saying a single word. I agree that it is an amazing picture about the barbarism for the Eastern Front.
I watched come and see while I was having a slow weekend on-call. My wife had some friends over after she got out of work probably three or four hours after the movie ended, and our friends legitimately thought I was having a breakdown. I was about as close to catatonic as one can get. That movie should be consumed as one would a powerful psychedelic substance. With a ton of forethought, and in a good place mentally. It should also be required watching for every 20th century history class. I feel it could genuinely de-radicalize some young men being led down the roads of open race or religious based hatred.
A similar thing happened at Uni when we watched Waltz With Bashir. I decided to watch come and See this afternoon. I'm would love to study the film closer. it certainly echoing in my head right now.
@@DinoPimp "A similar thing happened at Uni when we watched Waltz With Bashir." Not in a university setting, but I had to watch the movie online during quarantine. I just kinda sat with my thoughts for probably an hour after I finished it.
I watched it with a couple friends over a discord voice call and there was a solid couple minutes of silence after the movie ended and was paused before anyone said anything.
typical "othering" with words " barbarism for the eastern front". movie is typical of all wars . just ask afghans about despicable unmitigated seeped to the core barbarism of craven military usa regime, the evil in current world. only difference is hollywood wont make such movies, so people like you can distance yourself, and yours, from such things, push them to other people
One thing Master and Commander does that I have never seen in any other movie, is having sound move slower than light, at the start of the movie the French frigate is seen in the distance and you see the flashes of the cannon and then after a delay you hear the sound. It's also the only movie I've seen that has actors of the right age and diversity (as the navy at the time was actually very diverse), it's the only time I've heard mention the standard practice of loading more than one cannon ball in the gun at a time, having the cannons fly backwards when fired and using the correct terminology throughout the movie.
The basically child aged officers, you don't see that in many other movies. But the musical piece, Vaughan Williams: Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis..It sends a shiver down my spine just listening to it now.
Thank you for talking a bit about what happened to the Russians and Belarusians. I was in Minsk in January 2021 and had the chance to visit the Great Patriotic War Museum there. Depressingly brutal.
Hmmm this comment hits really oddly in December 2022. I think we have all had a brutal reawakening of Russian brutality post Bucha etc. and against sits own population Russias brutality to its own citizens is horrific too.
And it also shows why some people in what is now Ukraine/Estonia etc thought that the NAZIs were possibly the better of two terrible and appalling choices. Stalin was every bit as brutal, cruel, vindictive, as the Germans and for many it was a case of which side might let you live longer than the other side.
I've heard people say that they wish they could fought fought in Vietnam and I tell them I wish I didn't. Nothing I knew prepared me for it and I lost so many friends in it. Hopefully some people can relate to this.
Thank you for your service, and I'm sorry others nearer my age revel so much in things they have no experience of- beyond movies and video games. I wish you the best of luck going forward sir.
Oh man, Tyler. Blessings on you. I'm a kid of the 60s/70s and I remember well that Vietnam was at the forefront of our national consciousness (of course, that was the sanitized version). Thank you for your service and your sacrifice.
What I loved about Master and Commander: It touched on every aspect of Napoleonic-era Europe (except sex, I guess). You had war, class conflict, science, medicine, religion, music, superstition, the whaling industry, food... and without it seeming shoehorned in just because the writer did the research and wanted to include it. And, for a war movie, it included so many moments of charity and compassion. It's one of my favorite movies.
We really need a full blown series of the Napoleonic Wars. A TV show historical drama following Wellington, Napoleon's family, and Czar Alexander... You don't even need to event stories, that whole 15 year period between 1800-1815 is dripping with conflict, romance, politics and intrigue.
The problem being, though, that the story originally is set during the war of 1812 with the enemy ship being American.... but you can't have that in a Hollywood production.
Boy will you be surprised to discover it's based on novels full of this sort of stuff and that it's therefore not necessarily the movie creators credit.
Hmmmmm....SF fans, it's possible that Mr. Perlman might be a passable Clarence Aloysius Gaffney (aficionados of L. Sprague De Camp will know whom I mean).
About 20 years ago I was on the panel of a discussion of the career of Robert A Heinlein. George R R Martin was sitting on my right. When the panel was over I turned to him and said, "What was it like working with Ron Perlman?" He said, "Thank god, I thought you were going to say Linda Hamilton." He told me Ron showed up early every day of shooting for Beauty and the Beast for that make up and they never had to re-shoot a scene because he flubbed a line. And take after take he was exactly in the same place with the same gesture so it was easy to blend his scenes. He is the consummate professional.
Come and See is an absolutely horrifying movie and its reflection on partisan life and fears are so visually real as well. Really excited to watch Barry Lyndon. I love your videos because you add a social character to covering history rather than just reciting the facts. Thanks for your work.
“Come and See” hit me so deeply when I saw it 2 years ago that I got chills and flashbacks the second you said the title ... I think that incredible visceral reaction says it all. Thanks for the great recommendations, your channel is awesome!
Master and Commander is probably the quintessential example of historical authenticity/accuracy being done close to perfect while also having a great cast and story.
@Dave A. The producers changed the setting from the Anglo-American War of 1812 to the Napoleonic wars between the UK and France so the film wouldn't offend American audiences...
@Dave A. That's actually exactly true. In the Aubrey-Maturin book series, the ship they peruse is American as it takes place during the War of 1812. However, Wier felt that the movie, which cost over $150 million to film, would do poorly with American audiences if they were seen as the bad guys.
@Dave A. Unless you are an expert on historical ships most people wouldn't notice. Also armament inaccuracies are a bit pointless to point out. No one will point out that in WW2 films almost every German will have a Mp-40 when officers were really the only ones with them.
@@bimmovieproductions6352 the performances range from solid to great. Unfortunately, it doesnt tell much of a story unless youre already familiar with the events its based upon.
I loved Quest for Fire. It is such an interesting movie. The premise is a bit hokey but the characters are so sympathetic and their struggle is so universal, that you become invested in the story despite yourself.
@@2adamast in this case that's debatable, because the source material had a lot of books the sequels could have drawn from. The first movie was an amalgammation of two novels, "Master and Commander", and "The Far Side of the World".
@@samuelperezgarcia It must be me: I only saw Star Wars (aka episode IV), Lord of the Rings I, most of Pirate of the Caribbean but only the first is perfectly weird, same for Harry Potter, the rest is just more.
Loved what you said about Das Boot. I was a motorcyclist for most of my life, and trying to explain why I loved it to anyone who has never done it was like your experience coming back from a long hike. You just can't explain it to people who don't share your feeling for it. Thanks for finally putting into words something I've been struggling with for four decades.
So I only just realised The "Number 4 May Surprise You" gag at the start of this video actually rings true, because let's be real, none of us were expecting Apocalypto.
@@nicholaswolstencroft9263 only the historical part is a dumpster fire, its great fiction. I also agree with shei that is it very immersive even though it is 100% innacurate (spanish conquistadors and smallpox arriving in the 9th century lmao)
@@thenoblepoptart It's not set in the 9th century, it's assuming we don't have the whole story of American civilization, and it is assuming an unknown city-state doing the same thing the Aztecs were doing, except with Inca elements thrown in. There is no reason to assume only the stories you heard already are the ones that are possible. Apocalypto is set around 1510, but in an area where Europeans haven't arrived yet (but Smallpox has).
@@annaclarafenyo8185 i thought it was supposed to be about the mayan collapse? I guess maybe that is what you are meant to think and the smallpox and ship arrivals was like the twist or something...
Another neat aspect of that shot of Ichimonji walking out of the burning castle - he walks out of a burning castle, into a black landscape, surrounded by soldiers in black armour who have red and yellow banners reaching above them. The soldiers aesthetically mirror the war-ravaged landscape, with the banners echoing the colours of the flames.
Here’s the list (coming and going): 10. Andrei Rublev (The Passion According to Andrei) 9. Come and See 8. The Lighthouse 7. Ran 6. Master and Commander 5. Rome (HBO) 4. Apocalypto 3. Quest for Fire 2. Come and See 1. Barry Lyndon -------------------------------- 1. Barry Lyndon 2. Come and See 3. Quest for Fire 4. Apocalypto 5. Rome (HBO) 6. Master and Commander 7. Ran 8. The Lighthouse 9. Das Boot 10. Andrei Rublev (The Passion According to Andrei) Just discovered you, Atun-Shei Films, whoever the hell you may be. Like your work very much. Keep doing it. I hope viewers will find the list(s) useful.
I'd adore a review of 1970's Waterloo! And yes, I'm a new subscriber, but I've been binging your videos for the last week, especially your reviews and Confederate videos! Keep it up man, your stuff is really good quality!
This is one of the rare instances of a meaningful introduction to a TH-cam video. I found it helpful that you defined those terms and explained from which direction you're coming from. Thumbs up!
RAN--an absolute masterpiece in filmmaking not only in characterization, but in also the extreme bleakness in the cinematography and music. Lady Kede was a absolute scheming character
@@TheLouisianan The fact that there's a miniseries version that's even longer makes that even more clear. It also drives home the contrast between weeks on end of boredom and the actual "action" much more effectively. But of course, that doesn't work that much in a movie.
I dont know how a family friend worked on a nuclear sub for most of a decade. I cant imagine going weeks without sun light... You know, without the benefit of an Xbox that is
Good to see your inclusion of Barry Lyndon, which is a cinematic tour de force. Much of the film is presented as if viewing a painting. The narration, the costuming, the sets, all contribute in making the film a treat to watch. By the way, I'm more then surprised you did not include a feature that not only won multiple Oscar's, but best film as well. Bernardo Bertolucci's; The Last Emperor. Very immersive.
The distinction between you and Nick from History Buffs talking about Apocalypto is so amusing to me, like he's your polar opposite in many ways, he even gets angry at the notion you often defend of: "It's just a movie"
that tends to play tricks to nick to be faire, as he will be harsh on movie on things he know about (breaveheart, the patriot, apocalypto...) and quite concilliant on other like the last samourai despit the movie being nearly as accurate as brave heart^^
@@gabrielrognon6238 Thats why he irritates me. On all of those movies, Mel Gibson and his crew emphasised that they wanted to make the story immersive and not necessarily as accurate as possible. Forget about historical accuracy, you cant tell me that those movies wernt good in some way.
26:34. THAT is a prime example of what I mean by “who you have around you WILL determine your future.” Because you got a good lady with you, you stuck with TH-cam long enough for people like me to stumble upon your treasure chest of a channel. Glad to be here. Keep up the good work.
You and many others, myself included. I showed up here right before his channel exploded. This video has outstripped many of his past videos in one day. And he certainly deserves it.
As a historian and film nerd, you had me nodding furiously multiple times. I was so happy when you had Barry Lyndon as #1, I've had that rant IRL :P One point I think you overlooked with it is how well Kubrick used the score, for both accuracy and authenticity. Now I'm going to hunt down a copy of quest for fire, as that has somehow slipped my notice.
Since there's a series in here anyway, I thought Wolf Hall was amazingly well done. The dialogue and costumes are just fantastic, and many night scenes are also lit with just candles.
The thing I enjoy the most about The Lighthouse is that it pulls off Lovecraft better than most modern Lovecraftian works. "How long have we been here? Five weeks?! Two days?!"
Kinda. Lacks the science fiction but certainly has the spirit. Sad to think the thing is still the most "lovecraftian" movie ever made. Hollywood can't make it profitablr, and if they do, well, we have the new shitty series for that...
@@scottcoz you're talking to people who think lovecraftian means cosmic horror and cosmic horror means 'the universe doesn't care about you'; people who think True Detective is Lovecraftian. Now I'm not disagreeing with them; I'm just letting you know. Also The Astronaut's Wife ;) .
@@thomashyle6098About the Astronaut's Wife, when the alien consciousness speaking through the astronaut said he could spank the President with a coat hanger - you believe him 🥴
Das Boot is definitely my favorite on the list... had to watch it in German class way back in high school. So many more on the list that I need to check out. Thanks for this, your style of reviewing films is the best!
My grandfather told me that joke more than a half century ago. But much of the series is lifted from other sources. I had to stop reading it because every few pages I would stumble on a turn of phrase or a nautical fact I'd seen elsewhere. Quite a lot comes from the Hornblower series, shorter and simpler books with a more complex, nuanced view of behavior and social setting. There are even Robbe-Grillet moments when Forester will offer a 20th C perspective on his characters' central predicament, hovering on the verge of the 19th C with only 18th C rules to guide them.
I remember watching das boot when I was really young with my dad, way too young to really understand what it was about, so all I had to go off of was vague feelings and memories. A couple months ago I wanted to see it again, so my girlfriend and I sat down to watch it. Of course, it took us a bit to realize we'd purchased the 5 hour directors cut...when it was over it felt like we were just as haggard as the crew. Great movie, something I would actually call an experience, and could recommend it to pretty much anyone
The War and Peace series (based on Leo Tolstoy's books) I think also belong amongst the most immersive period piece films of all time, though they are very much based on Tolstoy's romantic depictions of the events. The list itself is great, I couldn't agree more with most picks. I do wish that more films based on the past would cover the regular lives of people rather than large-scale historical events remembered in the modern day, so I appreciate how a handful of the films you picked were based on that.
At the 19:44 mark the chap in the background is Desmond Morris. He wrote "The Naked Ape" (among other works) and is (was?) an authority on non-verbal communication. It`s a pretty amazing book.
yes ! that and Master and Commander are in my top 10, so is Quest for Fire..for it's time (no CGI) I heard it took almost 5 years to get to screen...poor Ron Pearlman is always gonna be known for that part !
I feel "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" is a very accurate and immersive portrayal of the 1880s and the fall of the James Gang.
My first thought, when I saw the title of this video was: "I wonder if he will mention Barry Lyndon" and I was pleasantly surprised that you did. I think I might have ranked the films in this video almost in the same way, plus I now have a few films I really need to see. Thanks for this!
Barry Lyndon will ruin every other european historical movie for you. I watched Amadeus after seeing it and although I like that flick I was bothered by the sheer lack of make up on men's faces lol
I remember watching "Das Boot" when it first came out in this movie theater that lost its AC during the movie in a crowded seating. And the dripping water coming from the ceiling really had a dramatic affect especially during the scene where the sub was immobile waiting out a destroyer above.
Bob Musser Aw, the good old days! I miss them. And not being factious at all. 99 cent theater, double features.☹️. We didn’t expect everything to be perfect, took it in stride.
I watched it in college when I was taking German. It was a thrill to hear memorable phrases I could understand like "Noch tiefer!", "Ein scheisses Zerstoerer!", and "Gute leute muss man haben. Gute leute."
Come and See is a masterpiece. It’s really an atmospheric, gut wrenching commentary on the pure chaos of WW2. It manages to be incredibly dark and horrifying without any real battle sequences. The tension is constantly building as you’re seeing the innocence, humanity, and sanity leave this young boy. It’s an incredibly sobering film that really everyone should see at least once.
Barry Lyndon and Come & See are my two favourites here. I watched Come and See last week for the first time. I couldn't stop watching. It's truly powerful and beautiful and gut-wrenching
Aww man that ending was so sweet. I hope you make it too man. I'll be promoting you in all my circles as well here in south florida. Your content is crucial to the struggles we deal with in this back wards ass state
I saw Ran on the big screen when it first came out and was completely blown away. The cinematography is stunning. I was very happy to see it made this list. Kurosawa interpreting Shakespeare is such a strange thought, yet it works so amazingly well.
I loved the last commentary about the idiots that always talk about how they would have loved to have lived in the good old days! Trust me, you don’t. I grew up the six first years of my life in Seoul, South Korea in the mid 1970s. The family was poor working class and the extended family was rural poor. I used an outhouse on a regular basis back then and I don’t miss it a bit. The miracle of modern sanitation and clean drinkable water is completely lost on us. And just to make sure I didn’t forget this lesson, I lived through the big earthquake that hit California in 1989. No water and sewers for 1-2 weeks. Trust me good people, enjoy your life and be grateful for all of our modern conveniences.
You only feel that way because you compare it to your more modern, comfortable current lifestyle, which even affects your recollection of those times. If that's all you knew, for the most part, you would be ok with it. People living in old or even ancient times didn't know anything but their own way of life so to them that was normal. In fact they probably felt bad for the poor fools from ages previous to them who had it even worse. Don't you think in a few hundred years people will be looking back on us and saying "Their lives must have been utterly miserable without (insert future technology here)." ?
WILD THINGS: Yes, but of course. Already I cannot conceive of a time when I could not use my telephonic device whenever I wished, yet here we are. The little supercomputer that I am currently using to write this reply was something that was the stuff of dreams.
Mica Prazak ir you're looking for "inmersion", have look on "the son of Saúl"...Not a single note of music: just the noises you would hear: you feel you're there, you have to do what the characters do....and you feel lousy... :( I wouldn't see the film again, but if we talk about inmersion, this film should be on the list (it's far better than come and see from that point of view, imo).
I know it's not historically accurate and it is very much a product of its time. But I love the film Gladiator. It is a sweeping story, and has some of the best soundtracks of any historical movie
If any Ridley Scott film deserves a mention in this list, it should be the Duellists. A more historically immersive film has never been made, it feels like you’re in the Napoleonic Era.
Surprisingly the scenes in the Coliseum are pretty accurate. I watched a Nova special about the structure & at that time they weren’t sure if there were awnings. They were measuring tree lengths. The elevators under the floor & flooding it for sea battles. Were all proven true. Cool
This is truly a fantastic list. You’re bringing up movies I love, yet can never talk to people about cause almost no one I know has ever seen them, or even heard of most of them, to be honest. I’ve never seen Quest for Fire brought up by ANYONE before. Same with Ran or Come and See. I remember being a 15 year old kid when I went to see Quest for Fire. My parents & little brother wanted to see some crappy movie across the street, at the other theater (This was before the big cineplexes were a thing). So I bid them adieu, smoked a big joint in the alley & proceeded to get my mind blown by Ron Perlman, Everett McGill & Rae Dawn Chong. Every few years I have to look that movie up on Google, just to make sure it wasn’t some imagined fever dream from my youth, brought on by too much imagination & a mountain of THC. This brought back great memories of some wonderful movies. Thank you, sir.
Rios Salvajes Andrei Rublev & The Lighthouse are the two I haven’t seen. I liked Barry Lyndon, but I’m not overly fond of it. One historical movie I’d recommend that’s not too well known is The Duellists. It’s from 1978 & takes place during the Napoleonic Wars. Fantastic costume design & the weapons/fighting are more realistic than most films, particularly from that time. It’s directed by Ridley Scott, though I seriously doubt I would’ve guessed that from just watching the film.
I Just saw Come and See a few days ago. That ending scene where Florya wishes it could all go back as he growls and screams in rage and pain firing at the picture of Adolf until he catches himself in that stunning reverse montage after everything in that movie truly has had more impact on me then anything else I have watched in my life. Hell I watched Africa Addios in which you see some real atrocities happing in real time didn't hit me the same way that Come and See did. The way the movie absorbs you into Florya's nightmare is really hard to put into words. Thank you for introducing me to this film.
It was perfect subject matter, But why they ruined it with a zombie mutant polar bear I have no idea. The insanity, starvation and distrust of everyone involved would have been more than enough suspense.
@@soulburner11 im pretty sure they wanted to show the bear.. I dont think including mythical and religious aspects must ruin a histrical tale, but The Terror did make it into one of if not the main aspect, something that ruined the potential of that story, plus the amazing cast and crew.
@Wonka I know and understand its from a book. The addition of man bear pig is unnecessary on print or on screen. My point is that it is extremely compelling subject matter without a mythical beast, so why have it? It trivializes real life dramatic events. Imagine a book about Dunkirk if they had added fighting a kraken into it? It would be trivial and foolish. It takes away from the actual human struggle and compromises good literature. It erodes history and makes incredible history into cheap fiction.
I personally liked 'The Way Back' a true story of how a motley and desperate band of Soviet Gulag survivors from Siberia make their way to India after escaping during the 2nd World War.
Horrible as the Soviet Gulag was, “The Way Back” is not based on a true story. Decades ago the book on which the movie is based was proven to be a complete fraud. There is hard documentary evidence that the supposed Gulag escape simply never happened. Please check the relevant article in Wikipedia.
"Barry Lyndon" is my favorite movie of all time in large part for this exact reason, immersion. Saw it freshman year of film school in class (3 hour lecture), bought it on DVD that afternoon, and watched it again that night in my dorm.
The best way I’ve found to enjoy historical movies is through the lens of these being folktale representations of history. Accuracy isn’t important, but the “feel” is. Art cannot be produced in the modern era that perfectly represents the past, because no one involved in the art has the actual mindset of the people of the past. They may have a facsimile, but there isn’t a picture of the full, lived experience of each individual’s life, each coagulating into the etched slate of history, so modern lived stories fill that void. Forgive the long rambling, I haven’t slept.
The most extreme example of this I can think of is A Knight's Tale; in it they have things like a medieval jousting audience singing "We Will Rock You" before a match. The reasoning was that it communicates to a modern audience what they would have felt like rather than what they were exactly doing.
My useless degree isn't filmmaking, but rather history. And even worse, its a doctorate. I taught for a while, wrote a couple of books, then went to cooking school, became a chef, and spent my time cooking. But I'm still a lover of history, and of film. This video convinced me to subscribe. Good job, man. This was cool.
Seriously. Rome is awesome. I mean, it's actually a REALLY special series. The writing is on a whole other level than most period dramas, and it is executed with a ton of exceptionally well acted performances, and high production quality. The level of historical authenticity, as well as the behavior of the characters, is incredibly believable, and the narrative explores some interesting themes. This level of both educational value, as well as entertainment value and artistic quality, is extremely rare to see all in the same show.
@@GeraltofRivia22 because the film doesn’t glorify any political ideology, it just shows you the horrors of conflict. sure anything can be propaganda but you are wrong about this film being propaganda
Excellent choices. If I could add one more to the list it would be Silence. A hauntingly beautiful film that consumed me..swished me around and spit me out rethinking my life. The violence..the scenery..the cerebral attack..religion, sin..what it means to be human..idk this movie is amazing. WAYYY under appreciated
The Revenant. That's as close to feeling like I was there -- part of a time and place -- that I've ever felt watching a movie. Not only did everything seem authentic (heightening realism), but the movie is shot from heights and angles which put the viewer into a perspective that makes you feel like you're there, following the action closely or often right in the middle of it.
Since you liked Rome so much, and since some of the most central actors from that cast are part of it - what are your thoughts on The Terror? It definitely reminded me a lot of Master & Commander.
@Rios SalvajesI believe Ciarán Hinds is always on the spot. Thanks to him the "Bald Headed Fornicator" will in my mind always have short cut black hair.
I can't believe I forgot to mention Danton. This was a movie I found terrifying. It is a Polish-French production of the eponymous figure. Tells how high ideals decent to tyranny.
Master and Commander is a miracle of cinema. Truly one of the best movies ever made, not in the least because of the unmatched maritime sequences they managed to shoot. Watch it side by side with Pirates of the Caribbean to see the fathoms of difference between the cinematography that was pulled off. I love PotC. Fantastic adventure movie. MaC’s accomplishments may never be replicated on film.
Fun fact, in the book their foe they are sent after is American frigate USS Norfolk during the War of 1812 and not the French heavy frigate Acheron, like in the movie. But Hollywood thought US audiences wouldn't have the maturity to go out and pay to see themselves cast as the bad guys.. Tom Rothman, co-chairman of 20th Century Fox tried to deny that being the reason afterward in a book about the making of the movie.. yeah sure Tom, sure..lol
Love how you are looking over the usual anglo-american horizon when it comes to movies. There are LOTS of interesting movies out there and other countries really have a real different approach to filmmaking, even in things like camera handling or such. Or how to open up a scene. It's often a culture that has grown by itself, unaffected by Hollywood. I have seen many Soviet or Russian movies, some good, some terrible, some full of propaganda. But they all felt so different, unique, refreshing. And some also were incredibly immersive.
I feel strangely proud of the fact that I've seen 6 out of 10 of these. Maybe because my actual film major friend has seen... maybe... one. Anyway, really enjoyed this list. Keep up the good work.
I can recommend film "Agony" from the same director about last days of the Romanov family and Rasputin. Quite a hard film, but very good restoration of the spirit of the rotten monarchy
I remember watching that movie with my then girlfriend, what a mistake. At first she was bored, then she was crying finally she left the room. She was mad at the fact that I watched the whole thing without her, and could not understand how I could watch any more of it. She thought there was something wrong with me for even wanting to finish that movie, maybe there was. I made the point that a good movie makes you feel a number of ways, sometimes not all of them are good. We had a long conversation about it until she understood why I had to finish watching that movie. She finally made me tell her the ending, and started crying all over again. That is one film that I will never rewatch, it's too painful to sit through.
@Rios Salvajes The terror that the main character feels is real. That's what comes across in no uncertain terms. I think the director even used live ammunition to up the realism ante
@@UNUSUALUSERNAME220 It's definitely one you don't really have to watch twice, yeah. Maybe there's something wrong with me, because I'd have been like "Here just watch. I don't spoil things. Come and see!"
@@Markvdl25 as I recall the director did do some crazy shit for the filming; he actually served in a partisan unit as a teenager during the War so he knew with pretty exacting detail what he wanted to capture.
I rented Ran after watching this. Your recommendation made my day. What a film. Thank you! Also, that scene from Das Boot resonated with me too. Big time.
Highly recommend Dersu Uzala, another Kurosawa classic that details the life and friendship of both an indigenous hunter of siberia and a russian imperial explorer in the late 19th century. Brilliant.
When I noticed your 30k+ subscriber count recently, I thought, “Huh, so that’s a massive increase.” Hearing that you can pay your rent with this is wonderful news! You’ve earned it, man. Finally, your hard work is paying off.
First time viewer of this channel. (Also a historian.) Very strong list, and very intelligent commentary. I've seen 6 of the 10, and I agree with most. Others to consider: Son of Saul (2015), about the Holocaust. Totally immersive. Black Robe (1991), Jesuit missionaries in 17th Century Canada; Wolf Hall (2015), court of Henry the Eighth; The Borgias (Showtime series); Flowers of Shanghai (1998), 1880s China. I haven't seen Barry Lyndon. I still think Andrei Rublev should be #1, not just because of its immersive quality, but for the grand scope of its ambition.
Looking back over my list five months later, I forgot a biggie: The Battle of Algiers (1966), Algerian war for independence. For some of the best realistic police procedurals: The Wire (of course), Line of Duty (UK), Prime Suspect (UK, though I haven't watched it in years), Wisting (Norway), Spiral (France, original title "Engrenages"). And, to further justify my claim above that Andrei Rublev is #1, I meant that its great subject is the place of art and faith in a hostile world. And it finishes memorably, in color, showing you the art.
And, finally, there are even a few movies and series that can immerse you in an admittedly fictional historical world. One, in particular, is The Man in the High Castle.
Thank you for making this video. I graduated with a literature and film degree 20 years ago, and haven't always had the time to follow up with the texts and films I had loved so much as a teenager. Your video had me making a list of films I want to see, and scheduling time to appreciate the art form again. I am a TH-camr myself and I know how hard this journey is - stick with it - our audience makes it worthwhile.
Anthony burgess wrote 2001 ? Wasn’t it written by Arthur c Clark?
Whoops, dumb mistake. He wrote Clockwork Orange
And technically, 2001 the film was co-written by Clarke and Stanley Kubrick. It was based on Clarke's short story 'The Sentinel' and later, Clarke developed the full novel 2001.
@@AtunSheiFilms The Language he created for CO was basically Russian.
@@bhotaling1 It was more a Russo-English pidgin with influence from Polari
Atun-Shei Films don’t worry bud. No big deal everybody makes mistakes. Keep up the good work.
Not even a passing mention of Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter?
My daughter and I love that film. You're right! Not even a passing reference?
that's a documentary though?
It is a better historical movie than anything Mel Gibson has done
Lincoln was actually quite a badass when younger. He was very strong, and a formidable wrestler.
@@brkly99 and plenty of other pass times that lead to him becoming a vampire hunter in his later years.
Glad your girlfriend convinced you to stick with it. As a history teacher myself, I can say your channel has been criminally underrated. I am glad to see it is starting to take off.
Alias Fakename I agree. I just stumbled on this channel a few weeks ago. I’m not sure why it wasn’t recommended to me way before now, considering all the military, arms, armor & history in my search profile. But I’m glad I finally got a chance to find this channel & I would’ve been heartbroken had it been one of those channels you sometimes find that fantastic content, but they haven’t posted anything new in like 2 years.
@@susanmaggiora4800 The Algorithm giveth, and the Algorithm taketh away. Couldn't tell you what brought him out of Algorithm Hell. He probably got put there just because "Oh, Civil War? Slavery? Nope that's not gonna be good for advertisers." But the videos with the most views, made recently in the last 3 week boost were 2 civil war videos, another Checkmate Lincolnites and The Best Civil War Movie from the Southern Perspective. I think the only way we could ever know what blew him up so fast, would be analytics from the channel's side of things.
Stymie Gray Cypher's shoutout kickstarted it, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that, but when he first reached out to me asking permission to use clips from my videos I thought it might get me 1k more subscribers total. This is way beyond what I expected. I think it's a vicious cycle. Cypher's Lost Cause video did exceptionally well, which drove more of an audience to me, which drove up engagement, which improved my standing in the eyes of Our Lord Algorithm, which sent more eyeballs my way, which drove up engagement again, etc etc. Hey, I'm not complaining. I've always wanted to make a living doing something I love and it seems like I might be on the verge of that.
@@AtunSheiFilms I literally found your channel because I watched some Crash Course videos on the civil war for Uni (American education at its finest) and your lost cause videos showed up in the recommendations. TH-cam is fucking weird.
I only learned this when another channel referenced, "checkmate lincolnites," and it was exactly what i was craving. A rebuke of anything being redeemable about the CSA. Hats off to this channel, you're girl sounds great, and keep up the good work.
"Downfall"...Not many have dared to portray Hitler in film beyond the portrait on the wall or desk. Having been done by the Germans themselves, lends it a potency that's difficult to explain, looking themselves in the mirror perhaps? At times you forget you're watching a movie and not in the room. I'm sure you've seen it and perhaps considered it. If not, you must. You just earned another subscription.
100% Agreed.
@@jonathanallard2128 Cheers to that.
Quite possibly the best film I’ve ever seen
A German film about an Austrian born Dictator, played by a Swiss Actor. RIP Bruno Ganz.
A fantastic movie, yes, but as history it suffers from being drawn from the diaries of those around Hitler who survived. For obvious reasons, they were keen to blame absolutely everything on those who did not survive - Hitler mainly, but people like Goebbels too. There was a lot of "I knew noothink!" in that film.
"Come and See" is probably a must watch for people that are use to the glorified viewing of war. The movie has a level of dread and uneasiness that is hard to shake off days later
The Pacific is another great series that shows the horrors of the Pacific Theater in WWII and shows the horror, bloodiness, dread, and trauma of war.
The stork allegory or whatever you call it really got to me in that one
After watching come and see, I felt like I had seen something completely insidious. Like I was truly transported into a world of hatred, disaster, and death. It is a brilliant film which I cannot forget.
Also the way it affects you almost feels traumatizing. Like you seen something you shouldn’t have, but it’s something I reccomend anybody to watch.
I can’t believe we didn’t watch this in my soviet film class I took in college. Instead we watched the cranes are flying and the mirror among others I can’t remember
The little clips he showed are more intense than most war footage I've seen. And I've seen alot.
I'm forever pissed at HBO for canceling 'Rome' because 'it cost too much to make'. Only for them to make an even more expensive fantasy series that died like a fart in the wind.
there was fire on set and all architectural objects were lost.
So true... so true. Two months after the last episode no one gave a shit about the series.
@@RadoDani The bromance between Titus Pullo and Lucius Vorenus was too much 'toxic' masculinity apparently. Why teach viewers actual history in a fun fiction narrative when they can have agenda ridden BS written by Hollyweird insiders when the source material was exhausted? I think even the directors of a few episodes of 'Rome' were experts in Roman history.
@@tomservo5347 The historical inaccuracies (many inexcusable) in ROME were legion; but it was very well done and enjoyable.
Great first season.
I watched Come and See in a film class when I was completing my masters degree in European History. Seeing that picture in a classroom was...something. After it was over, the professor invited comments, but we all just got up and left, no one person saying a single word. I agree that it is an amazing picture about the barbarism for the Eastern Front.
I watched come and see while I was having a slow weekend on-call. My wife had some friends over after she got out of work probably three or four hours after the movie ended, and our friends legitimately thought I was having a breakdown. I was about as close to catatonic as one can get.
That movie should be consumed as one would a powerful psychedelic substance. With a ton of forethought, and in a good place mentally. It should also be required watching for every 20th century history class. I feel it could genuinely de-radicalize some young men being led down the roads of open race or religious based hatred.
A similar thing happened at Uni when we watched Waltz With Bashir.
I decided to watch come and See this afternoon. I'm would love to study the film closer. it certainly echoing in my head right now.
@@DinoPimp "A similar thing happened at Uni when we watched Waltz With Bashir." Not in a university setting, but I had to watch the movie online during quarantine. I just kinda sat with my thoughts for probably an hour after I finished it.
I watched it with a couple friends over a discord voice call and there was a solid couple minutes of silence after the movie ended and was paused before anyone said anything.
typical "othering" with words " barbarism for the eastern front".
movie is typical of all wars . just ask afghans about despicable unmitigated seeped to the core barbarism of craven military usa regime, the evil in current world. only difference is hollywood wont make such movies, so people like you can distance yourself, and yours, from such things, push them to other people
One thing Master and Commander does that I have never seen in any other movie, is having sound move slower than light, at the start of the movie the French frigate is seen in the distance and you see the flashes of the cannon and then after a delay you hear the sound. It's also the only movie I've seen that has actors of the right age and diversity (as the navy at the time was actually very diverse), it's the only time I've heard mention the standard practice of loading more than one cannon ball in the gun at a time, having the cannons fly backwards when fired and using the correct terminology throughout the movie.
The basically child aged officers, you don't see that in many other movies. But the musical piece, Vaughan Williams: Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis..It sends a shiver down my spine just listening to it now.
Thank you for talking a bit about what happened to the Russians and Belarusians. I was in Minsk in January 2021 and had the chance to visit the Great Patriotic War Museum there.
Depressingly brutal.
Hmmm this comment hits really oddly in December 2022. I think we have all had a brutal reawakening of Russian brutality post Bucha etc. and against sits own population Russias brutality to its own citizens is horrific too.
No proof of any of those massacres has ever been presented .
@@thomasmccann3679 Ah, a Kreml propaganda factory at work, carry on.
@@Bresagk learn to read
And it also shows why some people in what is now Ukraine/Estonia etc thought that the NAZIs were possibly the better of two terrible and appalling choices. Stalin was every bit as brutal, cruel, vindictive, as the Germans and for many it was a case of which side might let you live longer than the other side.
I've heard people say that they wish they could fought fought in Vietnam and I tell them I wish I didn't. Nothing I knew prepared me for it and I lost so many friends in it. Hopefully some people can relate to this.
Thank you for your service, and I'm sorry others nearer my age revel so much in things they have no experience of- beyond movies and video games. I wish you the best of luck going forward sir.
Anyone who wishes they could have fought in a war doesn't know what they are saying.
Thank you for your service.
Oh man, Tyler. Blessings on you. I'm a kid of the 60s/70s and I remember well that Vietnam was at the forefront of our national consciousness (of course, that was the sanitized version). Thank you for your service and your sacrifice.
Thank You for your service!
What I loved about Master and Commander: It touched on every aspect of Napoleonic-era Europe (except sex, I guess). You had war, class conflict, science, medicine, religion, music, superstition, the whaling industry, food... and without it seeming shoehorned in just because the writer did the research and wanted to include it. And, for a war movie, it included so many moments of charity and compassion. It's one of my favorite movies.
We really need a full blown series of the Napoleonic Wars. A TV show historical drama following Wellington, Napoleon's family, and Czar Alexander... You don't even need to event stories, that whole 15 year period between 1800-1815 is dripping with conflict, romance, politics and intrigue.
Speaking of shoehorning and sex, where was the buggery?
@@gregp103 Rum, sodomy and the lash. 2 out of 3 aint bad
The problem being, though, that the story originally is set during the war of 1812 with the enemy ship being American.... but you can't have that in a Hollywood production.
Boy will you be surprised to discover it's based on novels full of this sort of stuff and that it's therefore not necessarily the movie creators credit.
"Except for Ron Perlman; they really didn't have to change his appearance at all." Well, that must have been great for his self-esteem.
Hmmmmm....SF fans, it's possible that Mr. Perlman might be a passable Clarence Aloysius Gaffney (aficionados of L. Sprague De Camp will know whom I mean).
About 20 years ago I was on the panel of a discussion of the career of Robert A Heinlein. George R R Martin was sitting on my right. When the panel was over I turned to him and said, "What was it like working with Ron Perlman?" He said, "Thank god, I thought you were going to say Linda Hamilton." He told me Ron showed up early every day of shooting for Beauty and the Beast for that make up and they never had to re-shoot a scene because he flubbed a line. And take after take he was exactly in the same place with the same gesture so it was easy to blend his scenes. He is the consummate professional.
Quest for Fire is one of my most watched movies. I can understand why some people don't like it though.
Come and See is an absolutely horrifying movie and its reflection on partisan life and fears are so visually real as well. Really excited to watch Barry Lyndon. I love your videos because you add a social character to covering history rather than just reciting the facts. Thanks for your work.
My parents saw Barry Lyndon on the big screen. My mom was a Ryan O’Neal fan from Peyton Place 😊
don't bother its crap
“Come and See” hit me so deeply when I saw it 2 years ago that I got chills and flashbacks the second you said the title ... I think that incredible visceral reaction says it all.
Thanks for the great recommendations, your channel is awesome!
Master and Commander is probably the quintessential example of historical authenticity/accuracy being done close to perfect while also having a great cast and story.
@Dave A. The producers changed the setting from the Anglo-American War of 1812 to the Napoleonic wars between the UK and France so the film wouldn't offend American audiences...
@Dave A. That's actually exactly true. In the Aubrey-Maturin book series, the ship they peruse is American as it takes place during the War of 1812. However, Wier felt that the movie, which cost over $150 million to film, would do poorly with American audiences if they were seen as the bad guys.
@Dave A. Unless you are an expert on historical ships most people wouldn't notice. Also armament inaccuracies are a bit pointless to point out. No one will point out that in WW2 films almost every German will have a Mp-40 when officers were really the only ones with them.
Dave A. In the movie, they say that the Acheron was built in Boston. "She's Yankee built, sir."
@@Jehan-David_de_Saint_Mars war of 1812 was during Napoleonic wars (waterloo 1815) u idiot, check before u post
I heard Waterloo gets high marks for historical accuracy.
And a bridge too far
It does and cool as shit
waterloo is a technical masterpiece and a story-telling disaster, basically.
@@obliviondoctor5370 Nah it ain't bad, Rod Stieger nails it as Napoleon and it's pretty exiting really.
@@bimmovieproductions6352 the performances range from solid to great. Unfortunately, it doesnt tell much of a story unless youre already familiar with the events its based upon.
I loved Quest for Fire. It is such an interesting movie. The premise is a bit hokey but the characters are so sympathetic and their struggle is so universal, that you become invested in the story despite yourself.
11:44 "...and I will never NOT be mad that this film doesn't have at least ten sequels."
Join the club. This was a masterpiece.
A good movie deserves to have no sequels
I'm not saying I want a direct sequel but every time I watch MAC it leaves me wanting more
@@2adamast in this case that's debatable, because the source material had a lot of books the sequels could have drawn from. The first movie was an amalgammation of two novels, "Master and Commander", and "The Far Side of the World".
@@samuelperezgarcia It must be me: I only saw Star Wars (aka episode IV), Lord of the Rings I, most of Pirate of the Caribbean but only the first is perfectly weird, same for Harry Potter, the rest is just more.
@@2adamast dude, The Lord of the Rings is one story in three parts. It makes no sense to just watch the first one. 😂
don't think i didn't catch that Rome: Total War OST playing in the background! nice.
Yes! YES.
ah imnot the only one
I loved that fucking game
Ah, a man of culture.
I was try so hard to place that tune as I hummed along! Thanks for placing it for me.
So, maybe that Film School Education was not totally useless after all, hmm?
Great recommendations, presented beautifully and with wit.
Loved what you said about Das Boot. I was a motorcyclist for most of my life, and trying to explain why I loved it to anyone who has never done it was like your experience coming back from a long hike. You just can't explain it to people who don't share your feeling for it. Thanks for finally putting into words something I've been struggling with for four decades.
I was just explaining how good DasBoot is to my 25 year old. ⭐️
As a motorcyclist , I confirm if you don't ride you don't understand.
I can't explain it to you.
"I will never not be mad that there aren't ten sequels to this"
My favorite movie ever is Master and Commander.
It's one of my favourites too. But the box office was disappointing to the studio.
@@RockinBobXYZ yeah i know. still mad tho
Yep, my favorite movie, too.
Maybe not my favorite, but definitely a good one that really deserved sequels.
@@RockinBobXYZ I wonder if Netflix could make it work as a binge watchable series.
So I only just realised
The "Number 4 May Surprise You" gag at the start of this video actually rings true, because let's be real, none of us were expecting Apocalypto.
yeah i think its a dumpster fire of a historical fiction.
@@nicholaswolstencroft9263 only the historical part is a dumpster fire, its great fiction. I also agree with shei that is it very immersive even though it is 100% innacurate (spanish conquistadors and smallpox arriving in the 9th century lmao)
I was
@@thenoblepoptart It's not set in the 9th century, it's assuming we don't have the whole story of American civilization, and it is assuming an unknown city-state doing the same thing the Aztecs were doing, except with Inca elements thrown in. There is no reason to assume only the stories you heard already are the ones that are possible. Apocalypto is set around 1510, but in an area where Europeans haven't arrived yet (but Smallpox has).
@@annaclarafenyo8185 i thought it was supposed to be about the mayan collapse? I guess maybe that is what you are meant to think and the smallpox and ship arrivals was like the twist or something...
I missed "The Duellists" in this list. Thouroughly immersive and historically correct.
Second that, brilliant photography also
Editing and pacing could have been better though ino
Agreed! Very "immersive"!
Yes, I was thinking exactly the same thing, the Duellists
That is a very fine, immersive film to be sure!
Another neat aspect of that shot of Ichimonji walking out of the burning castle - he walks out of a burning castle, into a black landscape, surrounded by soldiers in black armour who have red and yellow banners reaching above them. The soldiers aesthetically mirror the war-ravaged landscape, with the banners echoing the colours of the flames.
Here’s the list (coming and going):
10. Andrei Rublev (The Passion According to Andrei)
9. Come and See
8. The Lighthouse
7. Ran
6. Master and Commander
5. Rome (HBO)
4. Apocalypto
3. Quest for Fire
2. Come and See
1. Barry Lyndon
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1. Barry Lyndon
2. Come and See
3. Quest for Fire
4. Apocalypto
5. Rome (HBO)
6. Master and Commander
7. Ran
8. The Lighthouse
9. Das Boot
10. Andrei Rublev (The Passion According to Andrei)
Just discovered you, Atun-Shei Films, whoever the hell you may be. Like your work very much. Keep doing it.
I hope viewers will find the list(s) useful.
You confused "Come and see" with "Das Boot" at position 9
thank you didnt wanna watch that whole video
What do you mean "coming and going"
@@mercut10 10 to 1 and 1 to 10
I'd adore a review of 1970's Waterloo!
And yes, I'm a new subscriber, but I've been binging your videos for the last week, especially your reviews and Confederate videos!
Keep it up man, your stuff is really good quality!
This is one of the rare instances of a meaningful introduction to a TH-cam video. I found it helpful that you defined those terms and explained from which direction you're coming from. Thumbs up!
RAN--an absolute masterpiece in filmmaking not only in characterization, but in also the extreme bleakness in the cinematography and music. Lady Kede was a absolute scheming character
I love anti-war movies like Ran, a breath of fresh air from all the gun porn propaganda that comes out of Hollywood
Lady Kaede was so fucking badass that I never forgot her name. I don't remember movie character names lightly.
Lady Kaede is a cold-blooded woman. she's great
The buttons are never accurate.
My dad was a submariner. He’s 80 now. He was on those old boats. Asbestosis.
He agrees. Most accurate depiction of life on a sub on film.
The fact that Das Boot is over 4 hours long really lets it sink in how long you're stuck in one of those.
@@TheLouisianan The fact that there's a miniseries version that's even longer makes that even more clear. It also drives home the contrast between weeks on end of boredom and the actual "action" much more effectively. But of course, that doesn't work that much in a movie.
I dont know how a family friend worked on a nuclear sub for most of a decade. I cant imagine going weeks without sun light... You know, without the benefit of an Xbox that is
Good to see your inclusion of Barry Lyndon, which is a cinematic tour de force. Much of the film is presented as if viewing a painting. The narration, the costuming, the sets, all contribute in making the film a treat to watch. By the way, I'm more then surprised you did not include a feature that not only won multiple Oscar's, but best film as well. Bernardo Bertolucci's; The Last Emperor. Very immersive.
Love the music in BL
Barry lyndon makes me sad that we never got kubriks Napoleon movie
This.
I'm not sad as we did got this movie instead.
He probably would have focused on a different character than Napoleon. Perhaps a Tallyrand movie with Napoleon as a side character.
@Lazi Ilir Danga Waterloo is a masterpiece.
Sauromatae one of those films that simply will never be able to made again. The scale involved is mind-blowing.
The distinction between you and Nick from History Buffs talking about Apocalypto is so amusing to me, like he's your polar opposite in many ways, he even gets angry at the notion you often defend of: "It's just a movie"
that tends to play tricks to nick to be faire, as he will be harsh on movie on things he know about (breaveheart, the patriot, apocalypto...) and quite concilliant on other like the last samourai despit the movie being nearly as accurate as brave heart^^
Well Mel Gibson really f'd up with apocalypto , mixing the Maya's and the Aztecs.
@@gabrielrognon6238 yeah I really didn't get his last samurai review, that movie is extremely r3t4rded
@@mcfireballs3491 to be fair I like this movie. The same way I really love braveheart. As realisticly looking fictions.
@@gabrielrognon6238 Thats why he irritates me. On all of those movies, Mel Gibson and his crew emphasised that they wanted to make the story immersive and not necessarily as accurate as possible. Forget about historical accuracy, you cant tell me that those movies wernt good in some way.
I also liked Ridley Scott's "The Duellists" along the lines of historic authenticity - plus that movie was shot for under $1 MM.
Thus .., 🌹The Rose .
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Ah the favourite movie of every HEMA youtuber
I was lucky enough to see it in the theater in my early teens. It left an impression, for certain.
Masterpiece.
Amazing movie, I'm surprised it didn't make the list.
Fun Fact: Das Boot was directed by Wolfgang Petersen (RIP), the same guy who directed The Neverending Story and Outbreak.
The actor that played the Uboot captain is plays also a role in Beverly Hills Cop 1.
and Troy and Air Force One lololol, which seems so completely detached and different from Das Boot, but I still love Air Force One,
26:34. THAT is a prime example of what I mean by “who you have around you WILL determine your future.” Because you got a good lady with you, you stuck with TH-cam long enough for people like me to stumble upon your treasure chest of a channel. Glad to be here. Keep up the good work.
You and many others, myself included. I showed up here right before his channel exploded. This video has outstripped many of his past videos in one day.
And he certainly deserves it.
Paul Bettany's response to the "lesser of two weevils" joke is my favourite line in Master and Commander.
"He who would pun would pick a pocket!"
As a historian and film nerd, you had me nodding furiously multiple times. I was so happy when you had Barry Lyndon as #1, I've had that rant IRL :P One point I think you overlooked with it is how well Kubrick used the score, for both accuracy and authenticity. Now I'm going to hunt down a copy of quest for fire, as that has somehow slipped my notice.
Quest for Fire is awesome. Never thought of it as "historical" though, maybe because it's set in "pre-historic times".
@@robswitzer8334 - you've just wrecked my brain.
Since there's a series in here anyway, I thought Wolf Hall was amazingly well done. The dialogue and costumes are just fantastic, and many night scenes are also lit with just candles.
The thing I enjoy the most about The Lighthouse is that it pulls off Lovecraft better than most modern Lovecraftian works.
"How long have we been here? Five weeks?! Two days?!"
Kinda. Lacks the science fiction but certainly has the spirit. Sad to think the thing is still the most "lovecraftian" movie ever made. Hollywood can't make it profitablr, and if they do, well, we have the new shitty series for that...
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@Derek Griffin The Whisperer in Darkness
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@@scottcoz you're talking to people who think lovecraftian means cosmic horror and cosmic horror means 'the universe doesn't care about you'; people who think True Detective is Lovecraftian. Now I'm not disagreeing with them; I'm just letting you know. Also The Astronaut's Wife ;) .
@@thomashyle6098About the Astronaut's Wife, when the alien consciousness speaking through the astronaut said he could spank the President with a coat hanger - you believe him 🥴
My friend, you have one of the best film/documentary channels on YT. You've risen quite fast.
I agree, prob my favorite TH-camr now
@@calvincardwell6562 he certainly is one of my top 3
Hello gaslight
I rarely ever say this re: TH-cam lists but "THAT was a great list!" Kudos. Thou knowest of what thou speaks.
Your enthusiasm for cinema and history is infectious. Thank you.
Das Boot is definitely my favorite on the list... had to watch it in German class way back in high school. So many more on the list that I need to check out. Thanks for this, your style of reviewing films is the best!
Glad he included the best pun ever written in a script (well, since Shakespeare, anyway...) from Master & Commander [..the lesser of two weevils..]
My grandfather told me that joke more than a half century ago.
But much of the series is lifted from other sources. I had to stop reading it because every few pages I would stumble on a turn of phrase or a nautical fact I'd seen elsewhere. Quite a lot comes from the Hornblower series, shorter and simpler books with a more complex, nuanced view of behavior and social setting. There are even Robbe-Grillet moments when Forester will offer a 20th C perspective on his characters' central predicament, hovering on the verge of the 19th C with only 18th C rules to guide them.
...and some great sex scenes, PG-13 in exposition but you could sure run with it!
I remember watching das boot when I was really young with my dad, way too young to really understand what it was about, so all I had to go off of was vague feelings and memories. A couple months ago I wanted to see it again, so my girlfriend and I sat down to watch it.
Of course, it took us a bit to realize we'd purchased the 5 hour directors cut...when it was over it felt like we were just as haggard as the crew. Great movie, something I would actually call an experience, and could recommend it to pretty much anyone
The War and Peace series (based on Leo Tolstoy's books) I think also belong amongst the most immersive period piece films of all time, though they are very much based on Tolstoy's romantic depictions of the events. The list itself is great, I couldn't agree more with most picks. I do wish that more films based on the past would cover the regular lives of people rather than large-scale historical events remembered in the modern day, so I appreciate how a handful of the films you picked were based on that.
Any list with "Das Boot" in it, must be a good list. I will be checking out the others. Thanks
It’s just a pity that Americans seem to insist on pronouncing it “boot”, rather than “boht”... similar to how it is in U-boat.
ex submariner das boot is excellent
I'd also rate "A bridge too far" as a good accurate representation of WW2.
There are a few inaccuracies in it but not many
At the 19:44 mark the chap in the background is Desmond Morris. He wrote "The Naked Ape" (among other works) and is (was?) an authority on non-verbal communication. It`s a pretty amazing book.
I remember as a kid living in London in the 60s seeing him present a program called "Zoo Time".
Gotta give a shout out to 'The Last of the Mohicans' if we're talking about immersive.
Bingo!
Great choice!
I was also sure it would be on the list.
Yes it absolutely belongs on this list. Would love to see him do a video about it!
yes ! that and Master and Commander are in my top 10, so is Quest for Fire..for it's time (no CGI) I heard it took almost 5 years to get to screen...poor Ron Pearlman is always gonna be known for that part !
I feel "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" is a very accurate and immersive portrayal of the 1880s and the fall of the James Gang.
Let's make something clear: the most "INMERSIVE " film is Das Boot, hands down 😂😂.
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I agree. I did feel I was one of them, even though they were from "other side."
But I dud see what you did there
Badum tss 😆
I saw it as a kid, I was completely awestruck. Seen it many times over, and still find it extremely well made.
My first thought, when I saw the title of this video was: "I wonder if he will mention Barry Lyndon" and I was pleasantly surprised that you did. I think I might have ranked the films in this video almost in the same way, plus I now have a few films I really need to see. Thanks for this!
Before I watched this, I thought "If Barry Lyndon isn't on the list, that will be disappointing." needless to say i was surprised.
Barry Lyndon will ruin every other european historical movie for you. I watched Amadeus after seeing it and although I like that flick I was bothered by the sheer lack of make up on men's faces lol
Strongest feeling of actually being in the time period depicted I’ve ever experienced in a film.
I remember watching "Das Boot" when it first came out in this movie theater that lost its AC during the movie in a crowded seating. And the dripping water coming from the ceiling really had a dramatic affect especially during the scene where the sub was immobile waiting out a destroyer above.
Bob Musser Aw, the good old days! I miss them. And not being factious at all. 99 cent theater, double features.☹️. We didn’t expect everything to be perfect, took it in stride.
I watched it in college when I was taking German. It was a thrill to hear memorable phrases I could understand like "Noch tiefer!", "Ein scheisses Zerstoerer!", and "Gute leute muss man haben. Gute leute."
@@TheHunterGracchus ok, ich habe Deutsch bei PennState studieret, als ich Das Boot sah.
Come and See is a masterpiece. It’s really an atmospheric, gut wrenching commentary on the pure chaos of WW2. It manages to be incredibly dark and horrifying without any real battle sequences. The tension is constantly building as you’re seeing the innocence, humanity, and sanity leave this young boy. It’s an incredibly sobering film that really everyone should see at least once.
Your girlfriend was right dude, your content is amazing. It's informative, witty, and all around entertaining. Keep it up!
You don’t understand how excited I get when you upload a new video
Barry Lyndon and Come & See are my two favourites here. I watched Come and See last week for the first time. I couldn't stop watching. It's truly powerful and beautiful and gut-wrenching
Aww man that ending was so sweet. I hope you make it too man. I'll be promoting you in all my circles as well here in south florida. Your content is crucial to the struggles we deal with in this back wards ass state
I saw Ran on the big screen when it first came out and was completely blown away. The cinematography is stunning. I was very happy to see it made this list. Kurosawa interpreting Shakespeare is such a strange thought, yet it works so amazingly well.
The very opening with the boiling clouds grabbed me by the throat. Clouds.
I loved the last commentary about the idiots that always talk about how they would have loved to have lived in the good old days! Trust me, you don’t. I grew up the six first years of my life in Seoul, South Korea in the mid 1970s. The family was poor working class and the extended family was rural poor. I used an outhouse on a regular basis back then and I don’t miss it a bit. The miracle of modern sanitation and clean drinkable water is completely lost on us. And just to make sure I didn’t forget this lesson, I lived through the big earthquake that hit California in 1989. No water and sewers for 1-2 weeks. Trust me good people, enjoy your life and be grateful for all of our modern conveniences.
I'm grateful for all the modern technology, and yet I really wish to live at least one day in the splendor of ancient Rome
02051945 be sure to get all your vaccinations before departing to Ancient Rome
You only feel that way because you compare it to your more modern, comfortable current lifestyle, which even affects your recollection of those times. If that's all you knew, for the most part, you would be ok with it. People living in old or even ancient times didn't know anything but their own way of life so to them that was normal. In fact they probably felt bad for the poor fools from ages previous to them who had it even worse. Don't you think in a few hundred years people will be looking back on us and saying "Their lives must have been utterly miserable without (insert future technology here)." ?
WILD THINGS:
Yes, but of course. Already I cannot conceive of a time when I could not use my telephonic device whenever I wished, yet here we are. The little supercomputer that I am currently using to write this reply was something that was the stuff of dreams.
@@jokester3076 Ahahaha yeah I'll conquer the Antonine Plague
"You may not have noticed it, but your brain did."
Nice RedLetterMedia reference. I am going to watch all the films on this list that I haven't seen.
Mica Prazak ir you're looking for "inmersion", have look on "the son of Saúl"...Not a single note of music: just the noises you would hear: you feel you're there, you have to do what the characters do....and you feel lousy... :( I wouldn't see the film again, but if we talk about inmersion, this film should be on the list (it's far better than come and see from that point of view, imo).
I know it's not historically accurate and it is very much a product of its time. But I love the film Gladiator. It is a sweeping story, and has some of the best soundtracks of any historical movie
If any Ridley Scott film deserves a mention in this list, it should be the Duellists. A more historically immersive film has never been made, it feels like you’re in the Napoleonic Era.
Surprisingly the scenes in the Coliseum are pretty accurate. I watched a Nova special about the structure & at that time they weren’t sure if there were awnings. They were measuring tree lengths. The elevators under the floor & flooding it for sea battles. Were all proven true. Cool
Oh, those stupid Germans!
This is truly a fantastic list. You’re bringing up movies I love, yet can never talk to people about cause almost no one I know has ever seen them, or even heard of most of them, to be honest.
I’ve never seen Quest for Fire brought up by ANYONE before. Same with Ran or Come and See.
I remember being a 15 year old kid when I went to see Quest for Fire. My parents & little brother wanted to see some crappy movie across the street, at the other theater (This was before the big cineplexes were a thing). So I bid them adieu, smoked a big joint in the alley & proceeded to get my mind blown by Ron Perlman, Everett McGill & Rae Dawn Chong.
Every few years I have to look that movie up on Google, just to make sure it wasn’t some imagined fever dream from my youth, brought on by too much imagination & a mountain of THC.
This brought back great memories of some wonderful movies. Thank you, sir.
Rios Salvajes Andrei Rublev & The Lighthouse are the two I haven’t seen.
I liked Barry Lyndon, but I’m not overly fond of it.
One historical movie I’d recommend that’s not too well known is The Duellists. It’s from 1978 & takes place during the Napoleonic Wars. Fantastic costume design & the weapons/fighting are more realistic than most films, particularly from that time. It’s directed by Ridley Scott, though I seriously doubt I would’ve guessed that from just watching the film.
I Just saw Come and See a few days ago. That ending scene where Florya wishes it could all go back as he growls and screams in rage and pain firing at the picture of Adolf until he catches himself in that stunning reverse montage after everything in that movie truly has had more impact on me then anything else I have watched in my life. Hell I watched Africa Addios in which you see some real atrocities happing in real time didn't hit me the same way that Come and See did. The way the movie absorbs you into Florya's nightmare is really hard to put into words. Thank you for introducing me to this film.
I personally think that AMC’s “The Terror” is an amazing show, and historical show.
That is an underrated show!
It was perfect subject matter, But why they ruined it with a zombie mutant polar bear I have no idea. The insanity, starvation and distrust of everyone involved would have been more than enough suspense.
@@einarschwentke7813 probably because that was just how the men who were going crazy saw the bear not how it actually was
@@soulburner11 im pretty sure they wanted to show the bear.. I dont think including mythical and religious aspects must ruin a histrical tale, but The Terror did make it into one of if not the main aspect, something that ruined the potential of that story, plus the amazing cast and crew.
@Wonka I know and understand its from a book. The addition of man bear pig is unnecessary on print or on screen. My point is that it is extremely compelling subject matter without a mythical beast, so why have it? It trivializes real life dramatic events.
Imagine a book about Dunkirk if they had added fighting a kraken into it? It would be trivial and foolish. It takes away from the actual human struggle and compromises good literature.
It erodes history and makes incredible history into cheap fiction.
That Rome: Total War soundtrack in background when talking about HBO Rome. You might not notice, but your brain will.
"When you return to normal life, it is hard to talk about your experiences with someone who hasn't shared them." That is a great line.
I personally liked 'The Way Back' a true story of how a motley and desperate band of Soviet Gulag survivors from Siberia make their way to India after escaping during the 2nd World War.
That film was way too rushed imho!
absolutely luved that one
Seven Years in Tibet is much better all round. Apocalypto and Rabbit Proof Fence are much better films too.
Some researchers suggest the tale is actually a work of fiction.
Horrible as the Soviet Gulag was, “The Way Back” is not based on a true story. Decades ago the book on which the movie is based was proven to be a complete fraud. There is hard documentary evidence that the supposed Gulag escape simply never happened. Please check the relevant article in Wikipedia.
"Barry Lyndon" is my favorite movie of all time in large part for this exact reason, immersion. Saw it freshman year of film school in class (3 hour lecture), bought it on DVD that afternoon, and watched it again that night in my dorm.
The best way I’ve found to enjoy historical movies is through the lens of these being folktale representations of history. Accuracy isn’t important, but the “feel” is. Art cannot be produced in the modern era that perfectly represents the past, because no one involved in the art has the actual mindset of the people of the past. They may have a facsimile, but there isn’t a picture of the full, lived experience of each individual’s life, each coagulating into the etched slate of history, so modern lived stories fill that void. Forgive the long rambling, I haven’t slept.
That's how I've come to like 'Troy'. Not as a "this is what happened", but rather as "these could have been the events that created Homeros' epic".
Rios Salvajes Terror is a great example. I like it because of its story but also its attention to detail.
The most extreme example of this I can think of is A Knight's Tale; in it they have things like a medieval jousting audience singing "We Will Rock You" before a match. The reasoning was that it communicates to a modern audience what they would have felt like rather than what they were exactly doing.
"The makeup and costumes are stunning, and completely transform the actors, except, of course, for Ron Perlman" LOL
Good old Ron Perlman....this is the movie that earned him his nickname - America’s Caveman.
Actually choked on my drink when he said that! Lmao.
That is not shade, that is a black hole lmao
But they didn't put any makeup on Ron Perlman for that movie.
At one point, he was talking of running for president! (kinda wish he would!)
My useless degree isn't filmmaking, but rather history. And even worse, its a doctorate. I taught for a while, wrote a couple of books, then went to cooking school, became a chef, and spent my time cooking. But I'm still a lover of history, and of film. This video convinced me to subscribe. Good job, man. This was cool.
Seriously. Rome is awesome. I mean, it's actually a REALLY special series. The writing is on a whole other level than most period dramas, and it is executed with a ton of exceptionally well acted performances, and high production quality. The level of historical authenticity, as well as the behavior of the characters, is incredibly believable, and the narrative explores some interesting themes. This level of both educational value, as well as entertainment value and artistic quality, is extremely rare to see all in the same show.
Of the sooo many "Top ten" lists on Utube, yours is one of the very few that drew me in to the finish.
Come And See is a work of art.
I just saw it last night. Words can’t even describe.
Commie propaganda
@@GeraltofRivia22 imagine calling an anti-war film propaganda.....
@@nigel3inch969 what, does being anti-war give it some exemption from being propaganda? Anything can be propaganda, regardless of its message.
@@GeraltofRivia22 because the film doesn’t glorify any political ideology, it just shows you the horrors of conflict. sure anything can be propaganda but you are wrong about this film being propaganda
"The Blue Max"; not just good aerial combat scenes, but a running commentary on the class system in Germany at that time.
Appreciated. Sound, lighting , videos and especially scripts. Bravo!
Excellent choices. If I could add one more to the list it would be Silence. A hauntingly beautiful film that consumed me..swished me around and spit me out rethinking my life. The violence..the scenery..the cerebral attack..religion, sin..what it means to be human..idk this movie is amazing. WAYYY under appreciated
An excellent list. Bravo for starting with Tarkovsky and ending with Kubrick: two magnificent films.
The Revenant. That's as close to feeling like I was there -- part of a time and place -- that I've ever felt watching a movie. Not only did everything seem authentic (heightening realism), but the movie is shot from heights and angles which put the viewer into a perspective that makes you feel like you're there, following the action closely or often right in the middle of it.
I was wondering if this one would make an appearance while I was watching the video.
Only problem is the movie is not historical. It's filled with BS.
@@eddiewinehosen6665 did you watch the video? They're all filled with BS
My main takeaway from revenant was thanking god I live in modern times.
You really feel that bear doing its thing.
Master and Commander is in my top 3 all time movies. Just so great on so many levels
I love how this channel has nearly tripled its subscribers over the past few weeks, its great! Love your dedication and character keep it up!
Since you liked Rome so much, and since some of the most central actors from that cast are part of it - what are your thoughts on The Terror? It definitely reminded me a lot of Master & Commander.
I loved it. Like Master and Commander meets Ravenous
@@AtunSheiFilms The best of both worlds.
@Rios SalvajesI believe Ciarán Hinds is always on the spot. Thanks to him the "Bald Headed Fornicator" will in my mind always have short cut black hair.
I can't believe I forgot to mention Danton. This was a movie I found terrifying. It is a Polish-French production of the eponymous figure. Tells how high ideals decent to tyranny.
@@ScipioAfricanusI Great choice.
I love master and commander, I watched it first when I was like 8 and I’ve watched it like 5 times since then... I need to watch it again...
Master and Commander is a miracle of cinema. Truly one of the best movies ever made, not in the least because of the unmatched maritime sequences they managed to shoot. Watch it side by side with Pirates of the Caribbean to see the fathoms of difference between the cinematography that was pulled off. I love PotC. Fantastic adventure movie. MaC’s accomplishments may never be replicated on film.
Lovely movie. Like all the actors, especially the kid & Paul Bettany.
Fun fact, in the book their foe they are sent after is American frigate USS Norfolk during the War of 1812 and not the French heavy frigate Acheron, like in the movie. But Hollywood thought US audiences wouldn't have the maturity to go out and pay to see themselves cast as the bad guys.. Tom Rothman, co-chairman of 20th Century Fox tried to deny that being the reason afterward in a book about the making of the movie.. yeah sure Tom, sure..lol
Love how you are looking over the usual anglo-american horizon when it comes to movies. There are LOTS of interesting movies out there and other countries really have a real different approach to filmmaking, even in things like camera handling or such. Or how to open up a scene. It's often a culture that has grown by itself, unaffected by Hollywood.
I have seen many Soviet or Russian movies, some good, some terrible, some full of propaganda. But they all felt so different, unique, refreshing. And some also were incredibly immersive.
12:20 As a upperclass english gentleman, I fully endorse your performance Sir. You did our accent better than most actors can do. Hat off old boy.
I feel strangely proud of the fact that I've seen 6 out of 10 of these. Maybe because my actual film major friend has seen... maybe... one.
Anyway, really enjoyed this list. Keep up the good work.
The lighting in your video was great. Historical movies. Lit by firelight. Always good to revisit an old favorite.
I remember seeing "Come and See" as a part of series on Soviet WW2 movies, that movie shook me to my core
I can recommend film "Agony" from the same director about last days of the Romanov family and Rasputin. Quite a hard film, but very good restoration of the spirit of the rotten monarchy
I remember watching that movie with my then girlfriend, what a mistake. At first she was bored, then she was crying finally she left the room. She was mad at the fact that I watched the whole thing without her, and could not understand how I could watch any more of it. She thought there was something wrong with me for even wanting to finish that movie, maybe there was. I made the point that a good movie makes you feel a number of ways, sometimes not all of them are good. We had a long conversation about it until she understood why I had to finish watching that movie. She finally made me tell her the ending, and started crying all over again. That is one film that I will never rewatch, it's too painful to sit through.
@Rios Salvajes The terror that the main character feels is real. That's what comes across in no uncertain terms. I think the director even used live ammunition to up the realism ante
@@UNUSUALUSERNAME220 It's definitely one you don't really have to watch twice, yeah.
Maybe there's something wrong with me, because I'd have been like "Here just watch. I don't spoil things. Come and see!"
@@Markvdl25 as I recall the director did do some crazy shit for the filming; he actually served in a partisan unit as a teenager during the War so he knew with pretty exacting detail what he wanted to capture.
I rented Ran after watching this. Your recommendation made my day. What a film. Thank you!
Also, that scene from Das Boot resonated with me too. Big time.
Highly recommend Dersu Uzala, another Kurosawa classic that details the life and friendship of both an indigenous hunter of siberia and a russian imperial explorer in the late 19th century.
Brilliant.
"You might not have noticed, but your brain did". Mr. Plinkett lives! Just found your channel and I love it.
When I noticed your 30k+ subscriber count recently, I thought, “Huh, so that’s a massive increase.”
Hearing that you can pay your rent with this is wonderful news!
You’ve earned it, man. Finally, your hard work is paying off.
You comment was originally 4ish weeks ago.
He has over 67k+1 (me).
Now off to his catalogue
First time viewer of this channel. (Also a historian.) Very strong list, and very intelligent commentary. I've seen 6 of the 10, and I agree with most. Others to consider: Son of Saul (2015), about the Holocaust. Totally immersive. Black Robe (1991), Jesuit missionaries in 17th Century Canada; Wolf Hall (2015), court of Henry the Eighth; The Borgias (Showtime series); Flowers of Shanghai (1998), 1880s China. I haven't seen Barry Lyndon. I still think Andrei Rublev should be #1, not just because of its immersive quality, but for the grand scope of its ambition.
I really enjoyed the pianist for immersion as well
The black robe
Looking back over my list five months later, I forgot a biggie: The Battle of Algiers (1966), Algerian war for independence. For some of the best realistic police procedurals: The Wire (of course), Line of Duty (UK), Prime Suspect (UK, though I haven't watched it in years), Wisting (Norway), Spiral (France, original title "Engrenages"). And, to further justify my claim above that Andrei Rublev is #1, I meant that its great subject is the place of art and faith in a hostile world. And it finishes memorably, in color, showing you the art.
And, finally, there are even a few movies and series that can immerse you in an admittedly fictional historical world. One, in particular, is The Man in the High Castle.
Thus .., 🌹The Rose .
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Rome is my favorite show, so glad you included it.
Thank you for making this video. I graduated with a literature and film degree 20 years ago, and haven't always had the time to follow up with the texts and films I had loved so much as a teenager. Your video had me making a list of films I want to see, and scheduling time to appreciate the art form again. I am a TH-camr myself and I know how hard this journey is - stick with it - our audience makes it worthwhile.
I loved everything about A Quest for Fire. There is so much to talk about in that film.