I like how politicians have to debate the efficacy of something which engineers can simply calculate. Its a no-brainer that the people in charge of this should not be in charge.
This is such bull. First who can afford the car and your electric bill would be out of sight. The electric car also does not do well in the winter if you live in a northern state. Also, why is the filthy rich Al Gore married to a Heinz Ketchup heiress flying all over in a private jet spewing toxic fumes and preying on people to buy electric cars? One of the biggest lying self serving hypocrites still around. He will get his, hopefully sooner than later. Despicable lying POS.
He's sorta got a point tho, electricity prices are going up, electric cars will only increase that. Not to say electric cars are bad but it's certainly something I don't hear people talking about.
@@dxtrum not 100% true. There are studies showing that ev adoption has lower the cost of generating electricity. This is because of load distribution. If you charge your car at night, then you're giving peaker plants only turned on during the days something to do as opposed to just sitting around doing nothing. Starts and stops are fairly expensive and resources intensive for power plants, so decreasing the number of times that has to happen is beneficial.
Air conditioning started becoming popular in 1950 because the price to acquire one for a regular household had dropped significantly.... But it took nearly 30 years (1977) before all new homes started getting them by default. There was a long grace period for power companies to expand and upgrade infrastructure. Regardless of anyone's opinion on EVs, our electrical infrastructure needs to be upgraded and better maintained. The main issue everyone fails to account for though is the electricity being produced has to match the electricity being consumed. Fun little fact: in UK during a soccer match, if someone scores, enough people go turn on their kettles that the power companies are forced to watch the game and crank electricity production to prevent voltages plummeting or blackout from occuring.
At least someone got it. One side is saying 50% of NEW sales and the other is trying to say how hard it is for half of ALL CARS. Like bro, that’s so far off
Also: If you have your own driveway you can charge overnight, when electricity demand is really low & utilities ought to be able to offer lower prices.
Exactly. I know almost no one who's ever even owned a new car, and I never will. When reliable used electric vehicles reach a feasible price for a normal guy, I'll absolutely drive one to work, errands, etc. I'm an avid hot-rodder and motorcyclist, and I'll never ride an electric motorcycle nor be without at least one V8 in my fleet. Combustion engines will never go away, and they don't have to. They just need to become special-occasion cars, which they will regardless of what anyone thinks or feels when fuel costs and cheap renewable electrical energy price them out of daily use for normal people. As for industrial equipment, planes, and ships, I doubt they'll EVER go away.
@@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney Have you bothered to look at used EVs? Check out Autotrader, craigslist, etc. There are tons of used EVs out there. I bought my used '19 eGolf for $23k at the peak of the stupid overpriced used car market a few years back, which is the same price as a used '19 GTi. It's been a great daily driver kinda car. The range is limited, but I have another car for road trips anyway. It's fine for local daily driving. That same car is now like $15k used with 30k miles on it.... and it's still under EV battery warranty for another 4 years and 60k miles. You can find early model year Leafs for under $5k these days, but range is super limited... sometimes under 50 miles for that price. The point is, the price range. As newer EVs come out with more range, more do-dads, more power, and such, the more it presses down on the used car prices. You can get a used Tesla Model 3 for $25k still under warranty these days, and there is a $4k used car credit on top of that.
I’m confused. He said “50% of new car sales should be EVs”, and he keeps arguing as if the half of US would suddenly be comprised of households that will have 2x EVs.
And if we didn't upgrade anything. I think that's the more telling aspect. When hybridized with other fuels, these solutions actually give people more independence and options and that may be why some don't like it.
How hard is it to understand that not every household buys a new car every year. They are talking about new car sales, not every car that exist on America’s roads.
They know exactly what they're doing. It's just political gaslighting because they're shilling for the oil lobbyists. It's all crocodile tears and hysterics in public in order to pander to that crowd. In private they sing a different tune...the guy said it himself...he's bullish on new tech and has had an EV and solar panels for 10 years.
@@Mastermindyoung14 If they let people harvest their own energy and sell excess to the grid, it's not that much more than what it can currently handle. Regardless, upgrades are still needed because of how climate change and population growth are stressing the system already. May as well future proof it while you can, because weening ourselves off fossil fuels is absolutely necessary for the long haul.
@@jenkem4464 unfortunately, we need storage. In California, for instance, there is actually too much solar. The electric company no longer wants your excess during the day. But at night…
Actually charging a Tesla with 220 volts will use more power than all of the appliances, electric stove and air conditioning in a day. 50 amps at 220volts=11,000 watts. 44 miles per hour charging travel distance.($11=132 miles). My 4 banger puddle jumper cost the same with the A/C or heat on. Have not got rid of the 2003 5000lb behemoth. Sometimes I need to haul 8 or 12 50lb bags and keep them dry. And my service struggles with NO A/C on. Summer and winter. Gas heat and stove. Might be why I have a 12KW generator. And no electric car. Butti Buddy does not do things like that. Might break a nail.
And nothing will stop the power company from increasing your bill 4x either. I seem to recall replacing 60w bulbs with CFLs and LEDs that use 12w along with more efficient appliances and HVAC, yet while my consumption has been reduced, I’ve never seen the savings from it.
@@insaneiaqhaha this is the stupidest argument ever. First of all if they change the power prices then you’ll be screwed too because even without an EV you still use electricity so your bill will go up ! Secondly I use solar and charge for free so I control when it cost me money to charge or not. And lastly the very argument of how suppliers can change the cost of fuel is 100% petrol powered cars. The price to fill your car up changes from week to week based on what the companies want to charge you. You’re 100% at their mercy now. My power plan means the cost to charge is the same no matter what week it is. The rate is the same - no fluctuating from week to week - unless you drill your own oil - you rely on them. I rely on the sun !
but when you add the ridiculous cost you spent vs a comparable gas car you could have bought 140k miles of gas before you start saving money, and that doesn't include a dime for your extra power bill. A 2018 tesla3 long range vs a 2018 loaded camry that gets 30mpg cost the tesla owner 18.5k extra if they got the full government rebate in 2018. So until your electric car is out of warranty and over 125k miles you havent saved a penny. stop lying to yourself. Electric cars cost so much more then gas that by the time you break even on what the gas would have cost you its time for a new car or a trade in before the battery fails. I owned 2 prius's so im speaking from experience. by the time i saved the 4-5k i spent by not buying a corolla it was time to trade in my 2005 for a 2012......after the second prius i did the math and realized it was a complete shell game and i didnt save a dime. plus i burdened the world with 2 more wasted nickel cadmium used up batteries. We are being lied to .....the only difference is some people choose to believe the lies to feel better about themselves and some are honest.
Absolutely astonishing that this Congressman thinks he stumbled on some kind of slam dunk by comparing electric cars to refrigerators. Seriously, what on earth.
He's intelligent and knows whats going on, but like a politician-and especially a GOP politician-he loves to go for these gotcha questions that fall apart under actual scrutiny. This is a 'made for old people to share on facebook' confrontation, just like everything the GOP says. They have terrible policies and dont care about governing, so they have to antagonize to get votes. They're the most unserious people.
@@statelypenguinMassey is comparing apples and oranges. My car is charges off of a 50Amp service, much the same as my houses's electric furnace, not my refrigerator. Massey has solar panels and a massive EV battery in his home, so basically his Republican messages do as I say not as I do! No serious person is arguing that we should not upgrade our electrical infrastructure! Messy is not being serious here he is espousing the misinformation. We had infrastructure problems long before we had electrical cars! It's old and decrepit. The Biden administration is trying to do something about that while the Trump administration wants to end all upgrades. The electrical grid is an engineering problem and it will take an engineering solution to solve it, but we know the answers already just have to have the want to.
It's quantifiable. This is an appropriate way of making a comparison between the potential energy demands. It would be more appropriate if he pointed out that refrigerators are only a small fraction of existing household electricity usage
Been driving electric for 6 years now. California just took AWAY my incentive to charge at night by removing "super off-peak" rates in the middle of the night. Now costs the same to charge at 2am as it does at 2pm 🤬
@@AlexMckenzieCalifornia has a huge spike in production between 9:00-3:00 because of the wide adoption of solar in the state. To the point that the grid potentially could have problems in the disparity when the sun goes down. It wouldn’t make sense to incentivize night charging with this being the case
Adoption means 'new car sales' - but the replacement rate for cars is something like 5%-10% / year - so, even if all new cars sold are fully electric, it would still take 10 - 20 years for the whole domestic car fleet to become electric...
Yes but people will be resisting this so the rate will change as ppl use more used cars. In a democracy majority of people would vote to keep selling gas cars. Fact.
Takes the government 5 years to re-pave 5 miles of hwy. How long will it take the government to add 4X as many coal and nuclear power plants? Cali can't even keep up with the current usage, now multiply that by 10X in 8 years? EV cars last about 10-12 years before needing a new battery that cost $20K. How big will the EV car landfill be?
@potcommitted5355 I agree with you for not waiting for the government. We need to install solar on all of ours properties as soon as possible. We need to stop just using ev and start just buying tesla specifically because they have a better thermal management system to extend their battery life. Multiple small businesses are installing old tesla car battery for the home. Hopefully we can push the government to shutdown all of their crap. Do like the people in Texas and buy more solar and battery for the home.
I’m confused is electricity all of the sudden free? If you still have to pay for the electric to run you everyday house hold items, and then add electric vehicles to the mix essentially quadrupling the amount of electric you use, isn’t your electric bill also going to increase by 4 times? th-cam.com/users/shortsYynL5WKKqCw?si=E9UBGtSeguvV2pH-
@Kat Thomas A friend of mine sometimes gets credit on his bill for excess, but it's nowhere near what you say you get. And of course, he has to pay when the sun doesn't shine for a few days.
that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
Green Energy is not about individual energy independence, it's about specific interests profiting from it. Case in point, a neighbor of mine, an engineer by trade, built a homemade windmill and placed it on the roof of his home to draw in free electricity. The system was well designed and safe. He even posted videos of it on YT (which have since been removed). Over time as interest grew, the township became involved and forced him to remove it, claiming eyesores and various hazards. Goes to show you that everything's cool until someone creates a system INDEPENDENT of corporate and political interests, then they gang-up and squash the little guy.
"free electricity" lol, if you only knew how many megawatthours he could've paid for the same price and how little electricity he was actually pulling. Statistics in Europe show windmills output between 1 and 3 percent of their theoretical max power per year on average. And frankly just building a giant windmill by yourself in your garden does not sound exactly safe or legal either. It's not a freaking conspiracy.
they hate that. solar powerand green energy, like the dpt of education - is an entorely corrupt democrat girft to take tax payer dollars. they subsidize the panels - with tax payer money - pay themselves huge salary, and when the company goes broke they dont even care. its just an excuse to pad their pockets. anything with an unlimited subsidy is democrats stealing money.
This demagogue Massey deliberately picked one of the LEAST power consumptive appliances in the house, namely a refrigerator which only consumes around 200W or so. But if he had picked a blow dryer (1.5 kW) or an air conditioner (3-4kW) or an electric range (3-5kW @ 240v) then the comparison with a car charger is far closer in magnitude. He's just playing to his ignorant base.
@444Dragoncheese All he had to do to explain to average Americans was to list common electrical appliances and their power requirements, like this: incandescent light bulb: 60W/100W, refrigerator: 200W, washer: 200W dryer (gas): 200W, dryer (electric): 2-5 kW, blow dryer: 1.5kW, A/C: 3-4 kW, 240v electric cooktop: 3-4kW (depending on # burners used), car charger: 6kW. THAT'S how a NON-DEMAGOGUE would phrase it so an average American can understand it.
@444Dragoncheese Yes I DID have trouble understanding it, until I put my power meter on my own appliances and measured them and I discovered he was deceiving the country. EV chargers are NOT A STRETCH AT ALL. An honest person would just list all the power numbers, as I did above, whereas a DISHONEST person will pick one fairly low-power appliance (just above a light bulb), to try to con people into thinking it is representative of all electrical appliances in the home (which it is NOT).
@444Dragoncheese First of all, do you know what instantaneous power is? Power is instantaneous, like velocity. There's NO SUCH THING as kW "per year," only kW-HOURS per year. kW-h is the integral of kW (it's a measure of WORK/ENERGY, like Joules) and kW is the time derivative of kW-h.
@444Dragoncheese No, your point doesn't stand because the comparison is still deceptive. You have to compare EV charger power consumption against ALL household appliances CURRENTLY BEING USED (WITH NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER!). And that's exactly what I did (above) and it's what Massie did NOT do. It doesn't matter whether someone out there has or does not have AC or a blow dryer of an electric coooktop, the fact is these are ALL in current use and are not any more of a problem than an EV charger would be.
I remember when about 10 years ago, a city in Indiana decided to have their entire fleet of vehicles (police cars, fire trucks, public works, etc.) - just over 400 of them, switch to run purely on ethanol because that could be produced easily form all the corn grown in that state. So, the city bought all these brand-new vehicles that GM made to run purely on ethanol and after they were delivered, the city realized that the closest ethanol refinery and storage facility was over 400 miles away and the vehicle cold be used until some large tanks were installed closer to the city yard. This is the kind of stuff the politicians do - don't think ahead.
You have to have a Plan. OK, Before we get the cars, Where does the People get fuel at? How far is the closes tank. Or on electric Cars, How long does a charge last, how many charging sites we need. What is the closes one to our parking lot. Like buying a bunch of cows and not having a farm to put them on. Like there is some town that don't have any electric plug in for Electric cars. England had Police driving Electric cars that ran out of charge while heading to a emergency call.
@@yayee7625 --- not as simple as that. the usa is not like a country such as norway. norway for example has one main city - oslo. which is not a terrible large city and it is a country flush with money from it's natural resources. it has no problem selling it's gas and oil. the usa on the other hand is dramatically vast and with some of the worlds largest cities and population and with an antiquated power grid within some of these cities. charleston comes to mind. norway's power lines within oslo is not as antiquated as many cities in the USA. and lastly.... consumers need to be ready for a tremendous increase in electrical costs to upgrade some of these lines as the Feds - unlike Norway.... is broke.
Also, why compare to a fridge instead of another electronic device? An EV will use 1500-1800 W, just like a space heater, or hair dryer, or gaming PC, or crypto rig, or a good surround sound system, or a hot tub (which some people leave running all year), etc.
@@sinclairalIt’s not half a degree it’s 1.8 degrees F. that also means more forest fires, flooding, more frequent hurricanes, problems with farming, I could go on. My boomer grandparents and gen X parents won’t have to worry about it but I sure as hell will.
As an engineer, if you do not set a goal, you will never get there. if you set a goal, you may miss a deadline, but you reach your objective a lot quicker. Whenever you set a time limit 'realistically' you are jsut like the student with a report due, you wait until the last moment, then write it. If you make the timeliness close enough, it is obvious you can not wait a day before starting to work on it. If you start working on it, you finish sooner. yes, it IS the job of politicians to set goals, and then to provide resources to the people who get it done. Look at NASA. they commonly have delays, but they still make progress and get to their goals.
I agree. While watching this video I kept thinking how important it is to set lofty goals. This applies in so many areas, even sports. Every time I run a 5k, I set an aggressive goal, which motivates me!
That makes sense. How about the fact that extracting Lithium is toxic to wildlife...? Carbon can be extracted even reduced as ICE cars have shown...Carbon is easier to clean than byproducts from Lithium extraction.
The Goal of a competent administration should have been to have an Electric Grid capable of 50% Electric Vehicles by 2030 and 100% by 2035. Attempting to create additional Demand before you can handle enough Supply is idiotic at best. Additionally whenever they talk about cost of energy being cheaper with electric they are referring to current electric rates. Building a Power Production & Grid of that magnitude will be a massive expense which will either have to be paid for in Taxes if Federally Funded or in an Increase in Rate for Electricity if Privately Funded. Show me the math on the cost of upgrading the grid factored into the cost of operating an electric vehicle. The fact that they haven’t even acknowledged what this will cost should be incredibly alarming for anyone.
Upgrading the grid wouldn't cause the price of electricity to go up. The costs of infrastructure are amortised over time in the price of electricity. That's how the current infrastructure works and there's no reason that new infrastructure would be more expensive.
@@programmer1840 A massive increase in infrastructure would require an increase in electric rate to pay off. This happens with our current grid. My own electricity rates just went up to pay for large damage/repairs caused by an ice storm last winter. The consumer pays for it one way or another, wether that’s taxes or rate.
And we will need all the fossil fuels available to do all this upgrading of the electrical power grid. These people are denser than a solid 20 by 20piece of cobalt steal.
@@sethrich5998 fair enough. In my country, it saves about 70% costs per mile compared to petrol cars. The cost of infrastructure on the energy bill is about 4%, so the benefits outweigh the downsides.
@@programmer1840 If you don’t mind what Country is it? The US can’t really be compared to most other countries in that regard. Reason being is land mass. Most other Countries have small land mass with dense populations. This massively eases the individual cost of infrastructure. The US has large amounts of rural area which creates huge increase in cost for expanding infrastructure. Even after you solve Power Production, the Power Transmission is a major issue. That’s not saying we shouldn’t be investing in upgrading the grid, but that needs to come before the cars. And so far no one has presented what that will cost to the taxpayer/consumer.
As a former distribution engineer for an electric utility, I went into a DOE national lab to help keep sanity in the mix. I did see, frustratingly, that the lawyers and polisci folks push me aside and taught a complete line of BS (to the state PUC staffers).
@@b.w.1386 Here are the basics. As things currently stand, 2/3's of the US is at or near capacity for their electrical usage, so that they are at risk of experiencing rolling blackouts at some point during the year. According to this video, and other estimates I have seen, an average household uses 890 kWh of electricity per month and a single electric car adds on average (depends on how many miles you drive) about 282 kWh of monthly energy usage. This is a 33% increase for one car. So the point of the video is if we mandate every family get an electric car by 2030 and effectively increase energy consumption by 25% (assuming a portion of the families already have an electric car), then we are going to be in trouble. The sad part of all this is that we used to have more reliable energy capacity in this country when we used coal to help us. But now, coal, oil and natural gas are all evil, and the "green energy" ideas just aren't reliable enough energy (nor large enough) to make up the difference. Probably the real solution to all of this is nuclear energy (which is how Europe makes up the gap), but no one want to talk about that in the USA.
@@RS-tz2zn i agree with the nuclear energy recommendation. Just wanted to clarify that the 2030-35 is just a goal for adoption of new cars that are manufactured or sold that year, its not feasible that 50% of the country could switch to new cars in 8 years.
The sad thing is how we, as a society, always have an "all or nothing" mentality. There are good points about gas cars. And electric cars. And hydrogen cars. Give people a choice and this will work out. Force people down one road, so to speak, and many will rebel.
@@puregrit8057 yes, of course ev charging infrastructure would need to be expanded, but where d'ya think all of the green/ZE energy will come from!? C'mon, man!! 🤣
There are no good points about hydrogen cars right now. It's less economically efficient, it's less environmentally efficient, it's less convenient. Until there is a revolutionary change in technology, hydrogen powered vehicles are a non-starter.
@@puregrit8057 I've seen this post before and I believe it was by you. This is pure BS what you're saying, Pete Buttplug talks about wants and needs, but I've seen nothing done on increasing or bettering the grid. Oh my, they've made a new government office on the problem, golly, all our problems are solved, what BS. The politician should have asked where are these improvements going on right now, because they aren't. Besides that the amount of material just to produce batteries for these cars is staggering. So here''s some facts instead of pipe dreams like Pete has. When more hydro power projects are talked about, people like the Sierra club and tree huggers scream their heads off and defeat any measure to do that. Such as California who could easily create some there. Electric cars....If you love strip mining, you'll love what it takes to do electric cars. For every Tesla sized car it takes the following - 22 lbs of lithium 75 lbs of nickel 45 lbs. of copper Trucks and anything bigger will require more, much more. The lithium supply in the world. - 80% in Australia, followed by 15% in China and about 2 % in the US. Now when you add up all vehicles in the US being electric, you will exhaust the supply of lithium alone. What's the rest of the world going to do??? We aren't there yet to just give up oil, and you're going to love waiting for your car to charge. Oh, and I forgot about all those "charging stations" and how much copper they will require. Now what do you think???
@@puregrit8057 That’s hilarious. I have serious doubts that the government will do anything anytime soon, to upgrade the electric grid….that is what needs to happen, and then we still have to talk about the need for economic and cleaner energy before it all becomes viable. Your current government idiots just want it to happen, without regard to what it will cost We The People and also whether or not the people even want it. -most don’t.
A similar situation happened here in Sri Lanka with chemical fertilizers recently. The government imposed a 100% ban on chemical fertilizers when the country wasn't ready to go 100% natural. As a result, we're now facing massive food shortages. Politicians in general have no clue on how to accomplish something like this rationally.
Honestly pesticides and fertilizers have heavy metals in them that cause autism and school shooting in america. Banning those are good, but like always you cant just do it overnight, needs to be slow.
Nah in this case that would not work. The Anti EV propagandist are motivated way beyond just being paid. It's also just a cult people are willing to serve for no financial payout.
What the questioner is omitting is the concurrent/peak usage. Aircon is often used at the same time, ie afternoon and evening. Cars can be charged overnight when grid usage is low. We're already seeing electricity retailers offering super-cheap pricing (like 75% discount) midnight to 6am for electric vehicle households for this reason. MG4 home charges (240V single phase) at 6.6kwh, my ducted aircon runs at 6.3kwh. But they'll rarely be run together.
Add, most people don't need to charge their vehicle every night. I have an EV. I drive about 60 miles per day for work. I can go 3 - 4 days before I have to charge my vehicle. My wife has an EV we only have to charge her vehicle once every 2 weeks!!.
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to look up one single fact that out of context supports what you already believe and then just repeat it ad nauseum regardless of what other facts or context there is. Mr politician has it right.
FPUA just doubled their rates without any warning! There’s a nuclear plant, and the largest solar farm in Florida in the county. They blamed it on “the price of natural gas doubling “ although there is NO gas burning generators here. Of course, there street lights on in the daytime, and I watched them spend two days, with 13 trucks (with engines running the whole time) and over 20 employees to move a telephone pole four feet instead of just cutting down the palm tree that caused the move.
Electricity is already more expensive than natural gas. It's hilarious to me people like Buttigug think there is enough "energy" provided by solar and wind to power our nations grids. And they never talk about the service upgrades that will have to happen to peoples homes in order to charge their EV - unless they want to wait for 48 hours or more to charge it. Thank God this BS is just an executive order that can be reversed when a Conservative takes office.
They haven't been able to fix CA's electric grid in years, they still have brown and blackouts regularly in the heat of the summer; imagine if they all had 2 electric cars.
California had a massive surplus of energy in 2000, around 2 gigawatts I believe. Then Grey Davis and the democratics went on a massive campaign and shut down all of the nuclear plants, except for Diablo canyon, which is in Newsom's sights to get shut down.
Trash to electricity plants like in many countries are producing cheap electricity. San Diego Kalifornia voted against it over 30 years and now the land fill is huge.
They didn't explain how it would take at least 15 to 20 years just to build out the nation's power grid (if they started today, they have not) and that is BEFORE they get started building enough power facilities to power that grid. But I dont want to get ahead of myself. firstly, Biden and Buttigieg want to buy the EV's .......... that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars.
Yeah because the Republicans keep killing infrastructure bills because they don't give a rats ass for you. But at least you can rest assured that they will be in another country enjoying themselves when your power goes out in the middle of winter so don't forget to vote them back in.
Refrigerators are one of the most efficient appliances. There is a reason why the preferred way to charge electric cars is a 50 amp circuit. You might as well be arc welding 6 hours a day.
We should be welding for six hours a day, so that we can build something better than those pathetic tin can electric cars that run off power from burning coal and oil... How about we all do hydrogen... sounds like a good idea to me...
Next question, "What is California's plan to dispose of the 25 years old solar panels and toxic materials within them that they subsidized in the late nineties?" Follow up question, "Shouldn't we identify and plan for these future challenges before we create them?"
@John Spurrier Next question should be, " What are the plans to dispose of the Diablo canyon nuclear power plant and the 50 thousand tons of high level spent fuel currently costing 4.6 million dollars A DAY TO KEEP COOL, WHEN THE PLANT PRODUCES ZERO ELECTRICTY, AND SITS ON 3 FAULT LINES? ONE EARTHQUAKE AND WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN GIANT FUKUSHIMA!!
Let's worry about storing nuclear waste in fuel pools in zero containment and hemorrhaging radiation into the water and air! That fuel is still splitting the atoms and producing enough heat to power half of California! And it will be for thousands of years!
'100% of car sales by 2035' is too slow adaption if anything. It'll take another 20 years beyond that to replace the existing fleet. Having 30 years to marginally increase the grid capacity is quite generous.
That goal of 2035 is for 50% of passenger vehicles. That doesn't include a lot of vehicles. But it will make a dent in lowering the amount of pollution.
I hate how they interrupt rather than just let him finish answering the questions being asked. It's equivalent to a kid sticking their fingers in their ears yelling, "I can't hear you." The one asking the questions wasn't having a discussion/conversation, he was more interested in talking at him rather than with him.
Adding that much load to the grid requires upgrading and increasing capacity for every piece of electrical infrastructure including the overhead and underground distribution cables, substation breakers, transformers, fuses, all the way down to your home's breaker panel. You can't just increase generation on one end and increase load on the other and hope the circuit doesn't trip off.
It’s honestly hilarious to watch you guys trip over yourselves over the fear of reducing reliance on gasoline over a decade. I mean, according to your attitude, why do anything at all of it’s remotely difficult? Electric cars are emerging at the consumer level, governments are trying to prepare for that inevitability, are you guys suddenly against capitalism and free markets now or are you just triggered by sound bites on TH-cam?
@@aeoliangreen How does stating simple facts about grid upgrades needed to accomplish charging at your home mean they are afraid? I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. That’s like me saying I need some nails to build my fence and you saying that I’m afraid of wood… You see, doesn’t make sense.
@@shavedwolf87 because when you don't have a rebuttal the truth seems like an attack on "the future"....BTW I would love to hear his opinion now that California is having rolling blackouts.
Give both of these men gold stars. Civil, data-based debate. Largely wrong & cherry-picked data, but it's in complete sentences and without ad-hominem attacks and that's worth something in this day and age!
Anecdotal but my wife and I have electric cars and a 5kW solar system and our electricity usage is smack in the middle of average household. Pretty easy to offset from a usage standpoint. Peak usage will be higher while charging. With some work the grid will be fine.
Without getting into the argument of the subject, I would just like to say how ecstatic I was to watch a video of two politicians debating like educated adults. Both had valid points, both were respectful of the other without shouting over each other, without shouting at all. Gave me a small bit of hope, that once we get the top of their lungs nutjobs voted out, we can get back to this type of leadership in our government.
Yeah, that is a point. Though that Massie guy was playing cherry pick the appliance. Because knowing a bit about the situation at hand. I immediately thought of Air Conditioners. Air Conditioners are already stressing grids across the US. And as temps rise. More Air Conditioners Running 24/7. And I would have asked what he thought about what they ARE doing. And Will Do. If temps continue to rise. But that's just me 🤗
@@My-Pal-Hal however the guy arguing agasint electric vehicles was completely ignoring the fact that in that bill was plans to improve the electric grid to support the increased needs
@@Shadowtiger2564 Oh Yes... Those Repugnantcants across the aisle fail to mention many things. Especially everything They Vote Against. But take Full Advantage Of. They are Hypocrites and Criminals. And always have anyone, Except Themselves To Blame. ... it's sad, and tiring
Yeeeeahhh, I mean kinda, but just as I read this comment Massey asks a question then interrupts and talks over Buttigieg, raising his voice. At its best, this is still the level of discourse between elected officials and it's not serving the rest of us.
"It's going to need to be". Classic upper management answer for a problem they have no ability to solve or even comprehend the enormity of the problem themselves.
@@model_number_band If electric is the way it’s a cleaner energy than fine, but the way this guy says it as he makes it sound like it is a problem we have that he thinks needs to be fixed but he doesn’t want to fix himself but wants to continue to encourage. It’s kind of like saying that someone is totally for some great social cause, but will just say that they agree with its message and then they just won’t do anything about it at all. That’s what he sounds like. It’s “we should do this but I don’t know how exactly, and we should try to do it in 8 years”
4:40 I wonder what this guy would have said about Kennedy's moonshot speech. I appreciate this guy for being one of the more reasonable sounding critics of this plan, but his and a lot of people seem to base their opinions on a picture of EVERYONE running their electric car better COMPLETELY empty every day when it is far more common for people to drive much shorter distance on a daily basis and plug in at various times.
He sums it up perfectly, “…pain and suffering for the middle class.” And I guarantee that falls on deaf ears. These political elitists are completely out of touch.
Perfectly ignorant comment. You know what will cause "pain and suffering for the middle class," too? Loss of jobs, homes, and economic productivity because of climate change. Are we to continue to ignore the problem because there's a cost associated? I'm not sure if your luddite mind can wrap itself around this: at one time we lit lamps with whale oil; now we use electricity and light bulbs. Things change and need to do so. Get on with it. The real people who are "out of touch" are those that ignore the reality that climate is changing and we're on a precipice (this is most likely a 12th grade word, so I'll define it: precipice - steep rock face or cliff).
@@snigs5T5 The hypocrisy of elitists like Al Gore is displayed in their avarice (another 12th grade word for you). Their ignorance of the challenges of average citizens is highlighted in their suggestion to just go out and buy an electric vehicle (@>$40,000), to save $80/mo. on gas. When they begin to live like the rest of us, maybe then I’ll start to pay attention.
@@billiontion6064 of course you miss the point about electric vehicles, but I wouldn't expect any more from you. Plus you miss the asinine point that that ridiculous senator is trying to make: "the grid can't handle more electricity so that is bad so no EVs mmm k." But hey, you keep that ignorance going, ok champ.
@Apsoy Pike: Look up Halliburton, it gives an idea what is going on... they built out a chemical processing refinery in Saudi Arabia to meet year 2020 (election year, what a coincidence), then Halliburton partnered with Saudi oil company, Saudi Aramco. Then, Saudi Aramco recently partnered with the CCP bringing in Halliburton as their consultant to the CCP to build out gas/oil refineries 'in China for GLOBAL distribution'. So not only did China get U.S. manufacturing, Biden shut US oil/gas (permits), why or is there another big exodus of a major industry sector to further weaken U.S. labor? China is going to be the global distributor, we wondered why the CCP business entities were buying land in Oklahoma & other places. Biden released 1million barrels of U.S. crude oil from OUR reserve to the CCP, while we are suckers at the gas pump. And CCP partnered mainstream media is pretending China is going to attack Pelosi, what a crock of non-sense these globalists' politicians are playing against the U.S. citizenry.
Having designed power line upgrades for power companies for 20 years, I can tell you this: the customer is going to pay through the nose for the upgrades needed for all these electric vehicles.
@@brobrio what do you think we have now? Public schools, food stamps, welfare, roads/infrastructure are all examples of socialist programs. That's why we pay taxes. If we didn't have a hybrid system, we wouldn't pay taxes we would simple have to set up a system so we could pay for all of these services when we used them.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket industry refuses to compete? Do you know how expensive copper cable is? Do you realize the amount of cable needed, at a larger gauge btw to carry all that current? Now you want tax payers to foot the bill? Jesus christ, you libs won't be happy until we are all working for nothing but the tax bill. Look, you want windmills and solar and free this and that, move somewhere that already offers it.
The thing that boggles my mind the most with these people who are obsessed with going green and driving EV is that they never seem to promote or push the idea of expanding our nuclear energy capabilities at home either.
In time they will because that is the entire point of electric cars. They are waiting until there is no turning back. Then they will have to build more nuclear plants. FYI there is only 1 company capable of building nuclear power plants in the USA. It is TerraPower, owned completely and solely by William Gates. Now you now the rest of the story.
What gets me they are not being honest about an electric car. The cost of maintenance etc. Check the price of a new battery with installation . Going green is not for me or my budget.
I'm an environmentalist and I always emphasize nuclear as part of a diversified energy portfolio for our country. Depends on different regions of the country, their strengths and weaknesses.
Watching this from Denmark, a somewhat regulated capitalistic democracy in Northern Europe, we have a simple solution: our electricity price is set hourly based on supply and demand. The price for the next day is known at 3 PM. This incentivizes consumers to adjust their consumption according to supply. It is evident that electric vehicle owners charge significantly more when the price is low and almost never when the grid load is high, such as in the evening when everyone is cooking
I give Pete nothing but the ‘Stupid’ Award bc the Green New 💩 Deal will not work. I’ve paid attention and have listened to the authorities on the matter-this plan is purely psychotic !!
I mean, to the question of will the grid be ready by 2030, the answer should have been a straight up no. If government is involved in those upgrades the grid won't be ready until 2130. So he loses points on that in my book.
I was thinking the same thing. The questioning of law enforcement officials goes so much differently. Why isn't this guy answering every question with "I don't have that information", or "I will have to look into that"? Almost as if the heads of law enforcement/government don't want us to know about all the illegal/unconstitutional shit they are doing.
Our infrastructure is so wildly lagging behind being able to handle this “ideal electric vehicle” situation by 2030 its scary. Can’t just switch to 50% electric by 2030 then figure the rest out as we go
Of course it will handle the new electric infrastructure. Because it's not for everyone. They just implemented global population control. By 2030 for it to become a reality. The real upset will be 2024-2025 when a lot of people are still around as they make the changes.
@@The_DC_Kid And what smell would that be? The smell of utter shit coming from our politicians? Or the smell of elitism from our oligarchs and celebs? Or the smell of poverty and hopelessness coming from over 50% of the population who can't even afford to live anywhere since the greediest bastards in the country took advantage of the Covid crisis to buy up all the real estate and jack up the prices? Oh, I know! The ripe smell of exploitation and absolute destruction that follows our military into at least 6 or 7 different countries that have no ability to really fight back? Which one were you thinking of and what does your country smell of?
@@CleaversVids My parents used to say stuff like "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." Same idea. The character Jayne Cobb that I quoted above had a funny version of that saying. He once said "If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak!"
Pete is awesome at responding to these attacks , which is why I’m kinda floored he didn’t bring up the massive unused capacity we have at nighttime - when people sleep and cars ideally charge (I believe most Ev’s have onboard timers, otherwise charging stations and phone apps can aid in this). 15 yrs ago when I first started advocating for EVs the math I was told worked out that our grid *at nighttime* could accommodate like 70% of our vehicles. Timing matters . Even if that number is off.
agreed , Im an inside wireman and most peoples service would need to be upgraded as well. Power goes out for a storm and now you cant leave your home because your car isnt charged
When I go to fill my car up, sometimes there is a wait, maybe 10 minutes before it's my turn. Can you imagine how long the wait line will be if it takes over an hour to charge an EV?
Its a democrat idea, and they are incapable of thinking that far into any plan. Or put another way, have you ever met a democrat with a lick of common sense?
I know right. Doesn't everyone remember how in the 60's President Kennedy said we should put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. And then everyone complained about how we didn't have the infrastructure in place to do that so we didn't? Remember, that's definitely how that went.
Also recall that in the 90s they said we should have a goal to have faster internet, but the infrastructure wasn't there to support that; so that's why we all use dial-up modems at 28.8 kbps.
@@grumbles lol wow what a comparison! Setting a goal for “Faster Internet”, didn’t result in a bunch of unqualified leftards, who’re trying to totally change the country’s infrastructure overnight, because some Swedish kid with a nervous tick told everyone that it was the right thing to do!
I can only tell you from my own experience, having a Tesla from July of last year, the car is super efficient. My electric bill went up slightly and I'm not enrolled in the program since I'm still charging it from 110v (have to install the charger, plan on doing it myself). But if you listen to the point, of course the grid has to be upgraded, which it should. It's like giving everyone a new wifi laptop and not upgrading your router to handle the increase bandwidth. Also, it's the same with the incandescent light bulb, I remember vividly when Obama passed that law, I was in a Lowes and some was complaining about how they had to buy LED bulbs, I tried to explained to them, at 60watts for a $1.00 that is alot of wattages versus 7.5 watts $5.00 a bulb that last for years, it's less on the grid. They just couldn't (or should I say didn't want the change) now, you can't even find an incandescent bulb. Like someone else said with the cell phone industry, same thing. There are Americans now that still have a dial up phone. EVs are out and I love the simplicity of them, hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
Yeah, it's going to have to be upgraded regardless to handle all the AC demand from global warming anyways so it's really a bad faith point by the Republican. (what a surprise)
Well I'll chime in, I have solar on my house,and I love it,no electric bill,as for electric cars,no I don't own one and wont,that said my son has the model x,and I luv it,great to drive,self driving is insain,car summoning awsum,traveling any distance,slow,to much stopping to charge,charging at home and he has level 2,slow,his electric bill,horrendous. But the real offset for me is the maintenance cost,even just for tires,repairs slow and very costly,accident repairs are 3rd party approved centers,parts take forever to get. For me the good just don't outway the bad. I've seen a stupid amount of failures on these vehicles,camera,sensors,hood trunk cable,worn out front end parts just to name a few$3000 for a set of tires,and he's on his 3rd set,get fawkin real,just don't think so,but that's JM2C
Nor does it include such things as cost of the vehicle. I cannot afford one, if I could, it would have to be charged on a 110 outlet, which would take well over 30 hours.
At what point did we give the federal government the right to determine what kind of car we can buy. When electric cars make sense people will buy them. Right now the tech just isn’t good enough.
Where do you live? In the United States, our government does not determine what kind of car we can buy. It must suck in your country to have that dictated to you. In the U.S. there is certainly a strong push for the adoption of electric, and we are investing in expanding the number of charging stations. But yeah, much empathy for you in your country where it sounds like they are literally forcing you to buy a product. Oh btw the tech is just fine on electric cars, and the prices have come down considerably. My friend just bought one last month and she is totally loving it.
@@scott8xxx532 LOL....yeah right🙄 EVs cost more today than 3 years ago and the tech sucks because nothing is standardized. You can't even use half the charging stations out there with cars all having different sockets, different charge rates, and not to mention complete BS range estimates that are only slightly accurate at 70f with no wind. When the temp drops the range drops by 40%...that's not good tech, that's crap.
You no longer have the right to buy a car that gets 7 miles per gallon and has enough steel to protect you from hitting a tank. You haven't had that right for over fifty years.
@@scott8xxx532 Why do you guys even bother commenting? It's so obvious that you're shilling. "My friend just bought one last month and is totally loving it." You couldn't sound more like a commercial if you tried...
Massie knows what he's talking about. He's wired his whole house to run off a Tesla battery. He graduated from MIT for mechanical engineering, so I'd take his word of Pete.
He made a totally generic comment with no basis on how much it would affect the electric grid. He should have focused on the fact that the electric grid is already coal or gas powered so they need to find a different energy resource like nuclear reactor.
And don't worry about the devastating increase in cancer cases because the liars have told us the electromagnetic fields don't have anything to do with cancer so when it happens just deny the cause
I HAVE THE SOLUTION: To avoid building more power plants, everyone that owns an electric car(s) must charge them ONLY from solar panels or wind turbines.
@@Gambit771 It will make the greenies stand up and understand the realities of today. That is, a magic wand will not work and neither will just saying it. The infrastructure needs to be put in place for this to work...and it will take longer than 8 years. In effect, fossil fuels power the electric grid. As fossil fuels are eliminated what will take its place? Pretty much the only alternative is nuclear and the greenies don't like that either. Great goal but it is time to be realistic...C'mon man.
I have an even better idea, why dont we hold off on EVs until they develop a newer energy sorce to replace batteries and fossil fuel generators so you can recharge in minutes and leave rather than wait hours just for a mile or two until recharge. A Non rechargeable generator that needs no refueling or recharging at all but u swap out a core every 50 to 100 years. By then the shitty concept of EVs will be outdated, because they will have flying cars or shall I say, spaceships to travel around in, and they wont need refueling or recharging either so it would make charging stations old n unneeded. Think about that, we use Fusion power instead of electricity or fuel, nuclear power plants to power up everything and eventually we will reach the point where nuclear fusion reactors will become soo powerful, that we would have Wireless energy to supply electricity to everyone without wires or cables but thru optic wires that use light or some sort of reciever antenna that will receive the Wireless electricity produced by the Nuclear fusion reactor generators!! By this time, Warp engines and USS Enterprise ships will be the new shit, space will be where it's all going to be at. So yea why don't we just wait til we develop such technology before we replace fossil fuels!!
Totally not surprised. I had product designers present their final thesis about domestic appliances to me - and it was obvious that after 4 years of university, the connection between power, amperage and cable cross section wasn't clear to them - how should a professional politician know that charging an EV would need such an exotic thing like electricity???
Electricity can be generated by renewable sources that offset a lot of the carbon emissions. We are not getting rid of carbon emissions, but becoming carbon neutral.
@@easyenetwork2023 Lmao No, it can't. Al non-fossil, non-fission power shouls be banned entirely and all research and developed tech destroyed. Wind, solar, and EVs are nothing more than scams propped by stupid people.
Honestly as an electrician I can picture all house's needing a min. 200amp service to run two electric car chargers at the same time and almost all neighborhoods couldn't support it and all power lines/transformers would need to be upgraded to support that section on the grid.
The selling point of al this BS is the liars coin. Heads = We must lower energy consumption. Tails = all vehicles, tools, generators, etc... must be electrical devices charged through remote power generation sites. Or, Heads= The earth is being raped and destroyed by mining for fossil fuels. Tails= We must mine more lithium and other rare earth minerals and create more toxic waste dumps for billions of disposed highly toxic batteries and disposable vehicles. The same asshats came up with six sigma engineering and designing short lifespan disposable products. None of their tyrannical and destructive bullshit is possible without international monopolies, controlled propaganda, censorship, central banking, and central governments. This is being done so the millionaires can become billionaires and the billionaires can become trillionaires and people wonder how they became arrogant enough to boast of genociding 93% of the population that is in their way. They are a cult of liars, thieves, murderers, and Talmudic Supremacists.
Would they need to run them at the same time though? Could they but alternate which is charging when? We don't fill up on gas every day, and I hear electric car owners don't charge every day either.
We bought a used EV in 2018, charged it off normal plug overnight, costs about $1.80 to charge off normal rates. It was so cheap and reliable (only car we've had that didn't need oil changes and constant maintenance, breaking down, etc.) that now we charge it off solar for less than a nickel.
@@YoFool.1506 , I do 1000 miles per month. In a Leaf. About the same in my Tesla Model 3. My Tesla is doing many small trips, the Leaf does 500 miles every alt weekend.
10 years ago, when I bought my first EV - I had just moved into a largish house with only incandescent bulbs and low efficiency appliances (like, ACs). I swapped all my bulbs for LEDs, changed my energy hungry appliances for energy efficient ones, added my car which charged only in the middle of the night, and my electric bills did not go up.
Electric cars can be shut off remotely just like you are seeing with your essential appliances. Your electric car will just sit and collect dust when the goverment in control decides you shouldn't be using electricity for whatever reason.
Yes. It's called load shaving. And in fact, not only can they stop giving you power, they can take it from your car's battery to help meet peak time demands.
@@Dan16673 I used to live in a town that did that. They came to the house and installed a wireless gadget so they could shut off our heat and air whenever they wanted to. Luckily, in our case, the tech was a failure and didn't connect it correctly. So the system never shut down ours a single time. :)
An ev can use 8amp, 12 amp, and 30 amp power depending on choice of charging and be used as off grid storage and v2g bidirectional grid offloading. A spa uses 50 amp and you can’t recycle that wasted electricity. Are they going to enquire the energy demand of spas ?
This reminds me of the city in Michigan that praised themselves for the cost savings by switching out all of their traffic signals to LED from it's previous incandescent bulbs. The touted savings of electric costs and maintenance due to longer life. Unfortunately the result in the Winter the traffic signals were snow and ice covered and unreadable. This happened because while the incandescent bulbs draw more electricity they also provide heat to melt ice and snow. The local government's solution was to install heat packs onto every traffic signal which in the end cost the city more and used more electricity. Big fail.
Ummmm. LEDs ALSO get hot but only the ones as powerful as headlights. But I understand your point. Some things are DESIGNED PROPERLY the first time and any conversion lacks certain things.
If it ended up using even close to as much power yearly then that's poor implementation, the heater doesn't need to draw more than an incandescent bulb, and it doesn't need to run when there's no snow\freezing rain.
@@OffGridInvestor Correct, but it gets VERY COLD in Michigan during the winter, its called the "Lake Affect". Most places can use LEDs but that city learned a hard lesson.
Why would it draw more power? It only needs to heat to above the melting point, and then only in places it snows when it snows. And it probably wouldn't need a heater at all if you designed it correctly.
Massie is probably one of the most intelligent people in DC - look up his education background and what he’s accomplished. You may not agree with him, no one can say he’s “dumb”
@@wonlop469 Massie is hard to lobby with or against if you look into his background and voting block of mostly Appalachia Kentucky. A particular part of Appalachia that has an almost non existent coal industry at that. All he is saying here is that it would be nearly impossible to more than double our electric grid demand in the next 10 or so years while also turning off 60% of our grid, the fossil fuels. While I don't think anyone should blindly follow any "expert", whether that's Buttigieg or Massie, Massie's field of expertise prior to his political life should still give some merit to his argument, being an electrical engineering grad from MIT. Adding 160% more renewable energy in 10 or so years to a country as big as ours would take trillions of dollars to do; something our utility companies can't do on their own, and would further inflate the dollar if Uncle Sam foots the bill like Biden wants.
@@TannerSwizel Again, he isn't dumb, he worded it very carefully and you bought it hook line and sinker. He did NOT say you had to double our electric grid demand. He said it would be double air conditioning. The plan is also to convert 50% of NEW CAR SALES, not all cars. It will be a small miracle if we can produce 8m EVs/year by 2030, much less replace 140m cars. On top of that, even if it was double demand, that doesn't mean we have to double output. Go read up on the duck curve. You just need to balance load during the day and night and not only can you double the output, it's insanely cheaper to boot since you aren't running expensive peaker sources but big cheap efficient base load plants. Work needs to be done but there is no crisis. Adding air conditioning loads to the grid happened MUCH faster and was very difficult to support because it piled on top of the already peak loads. EVs make the grid better, cheaper and more stable.
@@gregb7353 six months a year my electric bill doubles due to A/C. So doubling just the A/C would mean my summer bill is quadrupled and the winter bill is tippled. Sucks,
25 times more than the refrigerator. I think a question was missed: "And do you actually think the average American will be able to afford this electric bill?"
The Butte argument will be that the money saved on gasoline will offset the higher electric bill. The MUCH bigger issue is the impossibility of upgrading our transmission/distribution grid to the point it can handle all of this new load in the ridiculously short time period being pushed by the moron in charge.
This point is not valid. You will pay less on your electric bill than you would in gas. It's a cost savings for the households that choose to do it. Unless of course the grid falls behind and the cost of electricity skyrockets and nobody can afford electricity for anything anymore. Then this is a valid point. And that is a valid possibility if we let Democrats rule the world.
@@jwil4905 To convert the car fleet to al electric will take 15-20 years *if* all new vehicle sales were electric starting today. How is that a ridiculously short time frame? In addition the goal is 50% new vehicle sales electric by 2035 which means we have at least 40 years before the grid upgrades need to be complete.
Massie grandstanding and saying the US isn't as capable as other countries. Sad to see a Rep with so little faith in his own country. Could it be he is pandering?
You have to love that the people making the decisions have absolutely no idea what the numbers are. Their all-in and this technology is going to consume energy than gasoline run cars...... making electric also requires gasoline.
I watched a video a couple weeks ago where the guy was saying it only takes an additional 1 trillion KW of production to cover everyone driving an electric car. It sounded good until you factor in that the whole idea is to move away from fossil fuels which would cut electric production by 4 trillion KW. Also, to your point, it takes coke to make the steel needed for the cars as well as wind turbines. Coke comes from crude oil and coal. Not to mention all the extra materials like copper and lithium that have to be mined. Somehow that eludes greenies.
And they made that decision not understanding if people could actually afford all of it. It would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer devastating consequences. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
Right and i dont believe that how much electricity is being used is really the real issue here, its the african slave labor, the dismantlement of the US energy, while the East continues to increase theirs. Being big green will result in economic collaspe codependency on eastern dictators energy much like Western Europe.
Buttigieg was only selected for his position because he likes to have sex with men. He is not qualified to be secretary of transportation but he ticks a certain box for this administration.
I remember working for someone years ago, and how I was one who would always question HOW "WE" would complete a project with the inadequate resources we had and scheduling conflicts. I was told not to worry about that, the important thing was to land the contract. After "WE" got the contract, I was TOLD "I" had to find the resources to fulfill the contract. It was no longer"we". 😒
WOW ! So much negativity. It is so easy to shoot down when people try to change the system . They are trying to go all electric. As the technology changes, batteries are going to get more effective and power industry will also change . They are trying to even use modular nuclear reactors . We need to get things moving . If in 2029 they do not have what they need , they can just delay the program. In the long run , if they can reduce the price of electric cars, then it will be a game changer . But we need to build up the infrastructure now and that is what they are trying to do.
@@rayRay-pw6gz It's one thing to focus on the infrastructure, it's another thing entirely to do that at the same time as they're trying to ban 60% of our production methods. Replacing 60% of the United States electrical production (Combustion based energy). Is not a 10-15 year plan, it's an astronomical investment to take on, especially at a time where our economy is struggling.
@@Spytel1 when Elon Musk told the world he was going to build electric cars . All the experts in the automotive industry said he had no idea what he was trying to do . And here we are today with everybody trying to catch up to him. President John Kennedy told the world in 1963 , that we will put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. NASA was stunned ! We had a man walk on the moon in 1969. We may need to have the government step in an force the issue to change the power grid running operation.
Spot on. I'd like to own an EV; probably will in several years; but technology and price need to catch up. Curious; for the millions that park on the street in a urban setting; or in an apartment complex; how is that "charge at home" going to work? It's not. Some may argue that while parking om the street never will; but that apartment complexes can work...vandalism to cut cords for the copper; or, vandalism to vehicles for sitting at the charger all night will be sure to happen.
Thank you. Someone with common sense. You know what else will be fun? Charging your electric car in the city streets when there is a blizzard and the streets get covered in 24+ inches of snow and electric cords running all over the sidewalls. What can go wrong? FEV's
That means those apartment complex will need to invest in that. I highly doubt they'll do it and if they do they will raise the prices on rent to offset the cost. Also it will be easy for someone to vandalize them too
There are already commercial solutions that tap into the power going into the light posts running down the street. As they switch the streetlights to LED, the existing underground wiring can handle charging an EV or two. Vandalism? Well you would probably only cut that cable once, it's 240V ;). Plus Teslas have Sentry Mode which would capture any vandals on camera for easy prosecution.
I'm always reminded of the old (1960s/1970s) kids show called Hobo Kelly where this friendly vagrant travels from city to city to teach kids about the value of "environmentalism." In one show she has kids bring trash and rubble to her special machine wherein kids put trash in and the machine spits out a shiny new toy. This is the mindset that today's environmentalists have, that they can just rid our nation of the lifeblood of its economy and replace it with something that will not come close to producing a better outcome.
The same electricity that is used to refine gasoline. 1 gallon of gasoline refined from petroleum requires 5 kWhs of electricity from the grid. 5 kWhs of electricity put directly into an EV instead will give it 20 miles of range. So a gas car already has the emissions of an EV before it even starts up the engine and drives 1 foot just from the gasoline refinement alone.
My experience with electric cars is that they have fewer moving parts, fewer parts that need periodic replacement, fewer fluids, are more reliable and because of the instant torque of electric motors perform better than gas cars. And I LOVE big gas motors. My first car was a 1967 Cougar. I replaced the original 289 (which was seized - part of how I could afford the car) with a 351. I have had 2 mustangs (4.6L and 5.0L Coyote). I am restoring a 1969 Torino. It has a Ford Racing 427 and gets about 10 mpg. But I commute to and from work in an electric car because it just makes more sense for me and saves me money - that I can use to restore my Torino. I would love to convert a 1956 T-Bird or old convertible Ford Falcon to electric. I think either of those would be very cool and an absolute blast to drive.
Some years ago a company converted a Tesla motor and inverter into a 350 drop in replacement (yes, not gonna help a Falcon)... 500hp/800ft-lbs of torque. Granted, you'd still have to deal with batteries and controllers... and a heck of a differential. Not my cup of tea, but interesting nonetheless
Check the demonstration between the Ford Lightning and the GMC Sierra on something as simple as towing a trailer for the advertised 264 mile range of the Ford Lightning. Pitifully, the Lightning had to turn back less than halfway and went back only able to complete 102 miles of the target 264 miles. But, kindly, the Sierra turned around and followed it back in case it needed to be towed as well. Pickups have 2 functions...towing and hauling...The Lightning failed miserably.
Finding courteous reader, DC power is not a renewable energy source this is a scientific fact this is why Nikola Tesla was able to deter an argument that DC power does not work,
@@NemrodhYarKemma such BS. My 87 f150 runs like a top built well. My 2000 crown Vic is rock solid reliable. Ford is probably the best American car maker and they started declining once the EPA started cracking down on emissions garbage. Government overcomplicates everything making it more expensive and less reliable, always.
A very good conversation to have, with good rational points made on both sides (how often does this happen?). However, there is one flaw in the calculation here: There is a difference between 50% of all new cars sold being electric (Biden's goal), and 50% of all cars in use by the population being electric. The first is a matter of car manufacturers switching over their production and of raw materials being sourced, which may indeed take until 2030 (some say maybe a little faster). For the second step, people would then need to dump their old gas cars and buy new electric cars, and that will take MUCH longer: Even if all newly produced cars would be electric right now (!), it might take 10-20 years until all cars used by the population is electric.
@@DynamicSeq what’s wrong with EVs? You can fill up your battery for $7-$10 instead of filling up your gas tank for $50 at least. Much less maintenance costs also, since there are simply fewer parts that can break. It is quieter when you drive it. What is not to like? I don’t understand why some people feel like they are more of a man if their vehicle makes lots of noise and blows smoke into the air. What is your argument?
@@matthiasheymann The low price is temporary, when there is enough, You will be charged by the mile you drive.. 2. And this is a big one.. You are just moving the pollution somewhere else, they are not better for the environment than gas cars. All that lithium have to be mined somewhere..and trust me..they are not using ev's to haul that around.. 3. I do not want to be in a wreck with all that lithium.. I work with high power lithium batteries and have witness their extremely violent reaction when a cell gets damaged.. 4. I live up north where it gets to -40 and an ev would just not work here...loosing to much range just to keep the battery warm.. 5.Have nothing to do with feeling "Like a man".. I drive all over the us for work, and having to shut down for charging would just not work,,, Don't have time for that..
Not even that is just a fucking Dream that is all first of all who will be able to afford a fucking electric car, we have a financial crisis that in 15 or 20 year will fuck this country like never before, and we are dreaming about fucking electric cars, 2nd there is not enough resources to produce this fucking 5 0% is just a dream, not to mention Europe and even yes china with a billion people there, is just a dream, make a movie that shows that the united states have 100% electric car the fucking Democrats will be happy then....
@@pastexpiration2160 In a lot parking garages, they do have charging parking spaces. That is more realistic than people trying to charge their cars on a city street where parking in front of your house is not a given. That is where you may find cable lying everywhere.
Massie should have pointed out that electricity to power electric vehicles comes from 88% non renewables. Also that the rare earth minerals for batteries come primarily from China and that these batteries at end of life are huge blobs of toxicity.
Nope. Renewables are now 25%. And even if an EV ran on 100% coal it would still have less than half the emissions of a similar gas car. In fact 1 gallon of gasoline refined from petroleum requires 5 kWhs of electricity from the grid. 5 kWhs of electricity put directly into an EV instead will give it 20 miles of range. So a gas car already has the emissions of an EV before it even starts up the engine and drives 1 foot just from the gasoline refinement alone.
Well you pointed out the problem what is the solution? 88% from non renewables? No problem let's make a solar grid to initially supplement before it completely takes over the entire grid land totally eliminate fossil fuel deliveries.
I love it when the biggest corporation on earth tells you what you have to buy from other smaller corporations when their products cost more, not to mention how much the charging stations will cost when 50% of the new cars will need them. I wonder how many of these legislators have invested in these companies??? Seems like there may be a slight conflict of interest.
In Sweden, I saw a study showing that if we were to change all (100%) cars on our roads today to electrical vehicles, they would only use about 8% of the total electricity usage. Also, the vast majority of the charging takes place during the night hours when the overall consumption is very low, actually it helps to balance the grid. This argument of the grid not being able to support electrical cars is a myth. At least in Sweden.
Its a myth everywhere. The vast majority of people will be charging at home during the night when there is low demand and an excess of electrical generation.
Vehicles only produce 15% of CO2 ... and not all vehicles can be EVs ... EVs production to end of life CO2 production is only a few % less ... even if it was 30% less (which it IS NOT) ... If the entire country converted to 100% EVs, you are looking, at best, at a 5% reduction in total CO2 produced in America ... the increase in CO2 production in ONE YEAR in China alone will be more than that reduction ... what Western countries do to reduce CO2 has almost NO EFFECT on the rising CO2 levels.
1) The US isn’t Sweden. 2)Massie later on also did the same calculations for plugging EV at night, it doesn’t hold true for the US as well. Science doesn’t compare apples with oranges.
Household electric vehicle charging will be done mostly at night, when solar power doesn't function and wind power is reduced. Therefore, the highest electricity demand will come when the (Green Technology) supply is at it's absolute lowest. The equation just doesn't work. Another factor that no one's thinking about is where is the money for road and highway maintenance will be coming from? Without the gas and fuel oil taxes, there will be no choice but to raise both your state and federal taxes to offset the shortfall. And guess what? With rising electricity rates (historically, they've always gone up) and those new taxes, electric vehicles will no longer be nearly as economical as they are now. We call that a "Gotcha!" (Pay no attention to the wealthy political men behind the curtain.)
They are going to have electronic toll boths like the ipass system or a monitor in the car itself that charges a tax on a per mile basis. Maybe its linked to your bank account and you pay to drive on a daily basis. When your bank account is low but your car is charged you may not be able to drive to work because they will disable you car if you cant pay daily. You can extend a tax free loan to the government in the form of waiting to get a tax refund but they want their cash on demand.
@@Alarix246 This was going to be my response as well. The idea would be to use solar to charge batteries which then charge the car. The problem in terrms of environmental impact is that current batteries (usually either lithium ion or lead-acis) are absolutely horrible for the environment. The other problem is that batteries wear out, especially if not used properly, which means that you need to replace them.
@@MasterChief0522 one of Musk's ex-directors now owns a battery recycling company and claims that batteries are 100% recyclable. Batteries also last longer, everything is gradually improving.
@@Alarix246 It's easy to paint a rosy or dystopian picture of the future, difficult to predict what reality will actually be. Current circumstances are that batteries are horrible for the environment, wear out relatively quickly, and are EXPENSIVE. Electricity ain't free, and the electrical system (grid + generation) is at its limits. The trend toward use of home solar is eating into power company income. That income needs to be made up. The easiest way is to hike electric rates and baseline service connection fees. I project that the cost to charge an electric vehicle will continue to rise for some time to come. I project that increasing the rate of adoption of electric vehicles will only steepen the rate at which the cost to charge an electric vehicle climbs; demand goes up, supply remains constant, prices go wild. Alternatively, increasing supply costs a lot of money. Costs + markup will be passed on to consumers. Again, steep price hikes. Adoption of electric vehicles will almost certainly stall if the cost to power an electric vehicle exceeds the cost to power a gasoline-powered car. But I'm pontificating while standing upon a platform of ignorance. I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again. I wouldn't mind at all if the future were to prove me an absolute fool.
Here is San Diego, we pay the highest electric rates in the country. I can assure you that AC takes up a whole lot more than 17% of our electrical bill, even when averaged out over the whole year. If you can't afford solar panels on your roof, God help you for those summer time electric bills. Talking hundreds of dollars a month. Now add an electric car, which will get charged a the top tier rates, and you are screwed! The only thing that will save you is when the power grid will inevitably fail with all the increased demand all at once. These Democrats love to make policy in a vacuum. They aren't even the smallest bit realistic. They just want to check off those boxes to make their clueless base happy.
And they don't have to live with their mandates anyway. They will still be chauffered around in their gas guzzling SUBs and limousines, whose fuel we pay for. We probably pay their utility bills too.
Bring back the era of the atom. Nuclear is the answer to almost infinite clean energy. But America feels more inclined to dismantle nuclear power plants than it is to building new ones.
@@mastr-sf1jv First of all no. It's not a good point. Chernobyl happened because some idiot did exactly the worst possible situation manually. Everything is automated now. Also, nuclear reactors aren't pressurized anymore. Chernobyl is physically impossible. Literally physically impossible. Let me say it a third time. It is more likely that the sun instantly becomes a giant dog in the sky then a nonpressurized nuclear reactor to explode. Third, we have a bunch of nuclear reactors in the U.S. They are perfectly safe. They are not always the best option depending on location and water usage, but they are perfectly safe.
@@Fallon755 the disaster that happened like almost 4 decades ago where safety precautions were not the utmost priority? The last nuclear plant meltdown happened in 2011 in japan and it was because of an earthquake turned to tsunami
"Do you think the grid will be ready by 2030?" "It's going to NEED to be." The old bleeding-heart Democrat line has NEVER changed: "We know what's best for you, so shut up and do it, slaves."
Dude never listened to the answer. Pete said it, it's not ready right now so we have to do something. The point of goals is to get things done. Have ambitious goals and get lots done.
Pete is a knucklehead. Can't change and won't try as he is so arrogant about his own infallibility. Gavin Newsome is in the same boat. We don't have enough electricity now in California but we are banning gas stoves in new construction and mandating electric cars. The only large infrastructure project is for an electric train no one will use. We have removed Hydro and Nuclear plants while demand increases. When this comes home to roost l hope people remember they voted for this.
The guy made no points he just threw out random stats and tried to deliver rehearsed one liners for Twitter clips. The “electric cars require 50x more energy than a refrigerator” line is completely useless for analyzing the situation. The cost of recharging a battery for EVs is much cheaper than gas even before the price spikes and as technology improves that trend will only continue. Improving the electrical grid has been done time and time again as electrical demand has increased, don’t know why that would suddenly stop. Some politicians just want to retard innovation.
It is ready right now. They don't bring up the grid is under much less load at night when cars charge and you don't need to charge a car everynight. I charge my Tesla model once every 3 or 4 nights. I am now spending 5x less or better on "fuel" than a gas car.
I bought an EV, then put solar on my roof. My draw from the grid is now negative when annualized. The Representative should understand that he's asking the wrong questions, and I think he actually knows that he is.
The only way to achieve this goal is to convert every coal plant and gas plant into a nuke plant. Even then, my apartments that I’ve owned over the past decade, not one of them has had charging stations. I lived in Minneapolis and Denver, two huge metropolis cities that insist on going “green” as much as possible. I work in the industry, specifically at a gas fired power plant. The EPA restrictions make the pollution that they’re so afraid of next to non-existent. If you want green, the only option is nuclear.
I agree, having spent 30 years in the commercial nuclear field. But it takes about 14 years to build a nuke plant of approximately 1000 me. 2030 is way to soon.
@@jaimeharrington749 yup. It’s quite frightening that people think it’s perfectly fine to shut down all plants running on fossil fuels right now because they think solar and wind can pick up the slack.
A better cleaner option would be nuclear Fusion. Yes the technology isn't quite there yet but there are close. . This would give us abundant clean energy, no need to deal with nuclear waste. The only problem with nuclear power station is why that particular technology is favoured? Could it be because of elements being made for nuclear energy have alternative uses?? .. If we get rid of nuclear and go fusion then the "alternative" nuclear Market would also have to change ...
@@jaimeharrington749 I suspect it would take until 2030 to get the licensing and permitting complete to build a nuclear power station. Shortly after I got out of college 50 years ago I interviewed at both Chicago bridge & Iron and Babcock & Wilcox. I saw the resistance and so said no thank you as many fabrication facilities shut down. I thank you for your service.c I retired in a European town with two RBMK reactors that were decommisioned during the first 5 years I was here. Simply amazing to explore the guts of a nuclear plant that never leaked, exploded or failed during a 23 year life.
I don't think "convert" is the word you want here. You don't switch a few things around and go from gas to nuke. You tear down the old plant and build a completely new one.
"You can't buy a pool if you don't have neither the land to put the pool nor the water to fill it". The response: "If we think like that, we will never have those beautiful swimming pools we all want". Nah, that's not how you do things.
Only this is worse. Because buttagig says they will use less energy with electric cars. This is absolutely false due to the fact that it requires an extra energy conversion between the fuel source and the work being done. Additionally, what does he think is going to power his grid and what materials will be required to supply that power? It’s all such a scam!
Is that a metaphor for Pete’s argument? He’s not asking you to dream about new electrical infrastructure; he tried to explain how they’re working with the DOE to build that infrastructure but didn’t get a chance to explain the process before this walking Fox News commercial interrupted him. Dude shouldn’t have come at an English major with that weak argument that was based on fallacies.
@@andrewdorie4010 Yeah, that English major is really going to help solve our lack of energy production and distribution. You would think having somebody that has a fucking clue how energy is produced, transmitted, and used to do his job would be a good idea, but no, English major is far better, clearly.
@@cactiguide I don't know enough about the issue to disagree with you. I just think Pete won the argument from a rhetorical/political perspective. He answered all of the questions directly, didn't seem caught off guard with questions that sounded, to me, like they were meant to make him look like he wasn't prepared to answer them, and he stayed on topic while the other dude gradually seemed to grow frustrated, started to interrupt him, and ended up seeming a bit flustered. That's all. I just appreciate Pete sometimes because I think he's one of the few politicians who doesn't pivot away from questions and always seems prepared to discuss most topics. That's not to say I believe in any of these politicians. I don't.
I want to here the question “where is all this “electricity” going to come from?” Let me guess 🤔 coal and oil I presume? Yes and natural gas. Oh while we're at it let's make everything from plastic. We can just plant more plastic plants. Boom renewable!
ok hear me out though... 1: 2030 is hilariously optimistic, I do not support this in the slightest. 2: You cannot make gasoline cars run on nuclear power, pumped hydro, and solar/wind power. Electric vehicles can. 3: An investment into renewable (or less harmful) power would make a switch to electric vehicles feasible. It is likely that nuclear reactors combined with pumped hydro could make this feasibly work, just not on such a short timescale. 3*: According to my research for a paper on the topic of electrical power infrastructure, nuclear power is, on average, about 700-740x less *directly* harmful than hydrocarbons. Indirectly, the difference is even higher due to pollution and environmental effects, though I cannot quantify it without making assumptions, so I did not account for it in my paper. 3*: We don't have enough fancy minerals to replace our gasoline cars with EVs, it is much more viable to use this on something like public transport. Tldr; if people weren't irrationally scared of nuclear power then that electricity could come with minimal environmental harm, making EVs more viable. As of right now spooky reactor go brrrr so coal it is. (we still need gas power plants as they can ramp up production immediately from spikes in energy demand whereas coal can be easily replaced by nuclear power. )
@@redshield3296 @Jason Paul A good chunk of our fossil fuel power comes from a baseline of coal, which cannot be ramped up or down quickly. We use natural gas during times of peak demand as we can ramp it up and down quickly. It would not be difficult to replace nearly all of our coal plants with nuclear power, as it fills the same role in our energy infrastructure.
@@redshield3296 Actually most electricity comes from Coal. Which is ironic considering how bad it is for the climate. The cleanest energy today, is nuclear if using todays technology. It is also the best for the climate.
I like how politicians have to debate the efficacy of something which engineers can simply calculate. Its a no-brainer that the people in charge of this should not be in charge.
This is such bull. First who can afford the car and your electric bill would be out of sight. The electric car also does not do well in the winter if you live in a northern state. Also, why is the filthy rich Al Gore married to a Heinz Ketchup heiress flying all over in a private jet spewing toxic fumes and preying on people to buy electric cars? One of the biggest lying self serving hypocrites still around. He will get his, hopefully sooner than later. Despicable lying POS.
Thomas massie Is an electrical engineer
that's because these people aren't hired to their positions due to their qualifications anymore, just their gender/race/sexual orientation.
You can calculate wind and solar?
Engineers are often very bright but sometimes have zero common sense or zero practical application with the product development outside the lab.
Funny, I'm betting in 1950 no one was arguing we shouldn't have air conditioners, because if everyone has AC the electrical grid wouldn't handle it.
Awesome point !!
He's sorta got a point tho, electricity prices are going up, electric cars will only increase that. Not to say electric cars are bad but it's certainly something I don't hear people talking about.
@@dxtrum not 100% true. There are studies showing that ev adoption has lower the cost of generating electricity. This is because of load distribution. If you charge your car at night, then you're giving peaker plants only turned on during the days something to do as opposed to just sitting around doing nothing. Starts and stops are fairly expensive and resources intensive for power plants, so decreasing the number of times that has to happen is beneficial.
Air conditioning started becoming popular in 1950 because the price to acquire one for a regular household had dropped significantly.... But it took nearly 30 years (1977) before all new homes started getting them by default. There was a long grace period for power companies to expand and upgrade infrastructure. Regardless of anyone's opinion on EVs, our electrical infrastructure needs to be upgraded and better maintained. The main issue everyone fails to account for though is the electricity being produced has to match the electricity being consumed.
Fun little fact: in UK during a soccer match, if someone scores, enough people go turn on their kettles that the power companies are forced to watch the game and crank electricity production to prevent voltages plummeting or blackout from occuring.
Well, people are advocating for removing of air conditioning in the modern day, on the basis of environmentalism.
They didn't say 50% adoption. They are referring to 50% of new car sales.
At least someone got it. One side is saying 50% of NEW sales and the other is trying to say how hard it is for half of ALL CARS. Like bro, that’s so far off
Also: If you have your own driveway you can charge overnight, when electricity demand is really low & utilities ought to be able to offer lower prices.
@@markiliff They do. My electricity is 10 cents per kWH cheaper off-peak time.
Exactly. I know almost no one who's ever even owned a new car, and I never will. When reliable used electric vehicles reach a feasible price for a normal guy, I'll absolutely drive one to work, errands, etc. I'm an avid hot-rodder and motorcyclist, and I'll never ride an electric motorcycle nor be without at least one V8 in my fleet. Combustion engines will never go away, and they don't have to. They just need to become special-occasion cars, which they will regardless of what anyone thinks or feels when fuel costs and cheap renewable electrical energy price them out of daily use for normal people. As for industrial equipment, planes, and ships, I doubt they'll EVER go away.
@@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney Have you bothered to look at used EVs? Check out Autotrader, craigslist, etc. There are tons of used EVs out there. I bought my used '19 eGolf for $23k at the peak of the stupid overpriced used car market a few years back, which is the same price as a used '19 GTi. It's been a great daily driver kinda car. The range is limited, but I have another car for road trips anyway. It's fine for local daily driving. That same car is now like $15k used with 30k miles on it.... and it's still under EV battery warranty for another 4 years and 60k miles. You can find early model year Leafs for under $5k these days, but range is super limited... sometimes under 50 miles for that price.
The point is, the price range. As newer EVs come out with more range, more do-dads, more power, and such, the more it presses down on the used car prices. You can get a used Tesla Model 3 for $25k still under warranty these days, and there is a $4k used car credit on top of that.
I’m confused. He said “50% of new car sales should be EVs”, and he keeps arguing as if the half of US would suddenly be comprised of households that will have 2x EVs.
It's because he's either dumb or disingenuous. Probably both.
Because that deviates from the point he's trying to make.
He's not arguing in good faith.
And if we didn't upgrade anything. I think that's the more telling aspect. When hybridized with other fuels, these solutions actually give people more independence and options and that may be why some don't like it.
How hard is it to understand that not every household buys a new car every year. They are talking about new car sales, not every car that exist on America’s roads.
I think he knows that. But he’s willing to pretend he doesn’t
They know exactly what they're doing. It's just political gaslighting because they're shilling for the oil lobbyists. It's all crocodile tears and hysterics in public in order to pander to that crowd. In private they sing a different tune...the guy said it himself...he's bullish on new tech and has had an EV and solar panels for 10 years.
How hard is it to understand that the grid is nowhere near ready for that load?
@@Mastermindyoung14 If they let people harvest their own energy and sell excess to the grid, it's not that much more than what it can currently handle. Regardless, upgrades are still needed because of how climate change and population growth are stressing the system already. May as well future proof it while you can, because weening ourselves off fossil fuels is absolutely necessary for the long haul.
@@jenkem4464 unfortunately, we need storage.
In California, for instance, there is actually too much solar.
The electric company no longer wants your excess during the day.
But at night…
Clearly we should all start driving our refrigerators.
That's it, fire Pete, the job is yours now. Genius.
LOL. Good one ;-)
Nice. No need for AC either.... whilst driving.
Bonus!
Is your refrigerator running?
Actually charging a Tesla with 220 volts will use more power than all of the appliances, electric stove and air conditioning in a day.
50 amps at 220volts=11,000 watts.
44 miles per hour charging travel distance.($11=132 miles). My 4 banger puddle jumper cost the same with the A/C or heat on.
Have not got rid of the 2003 5000lb behemoth. Sometimes I need to haul 8 or 12 50lb bags and keep them dry.
And my service struggles with NO A/C on. Summer and winter. Gas heat and stove.
Might be why I have a 12KW generator. And no electric car.
Butti Buddy does not do things like that. Might break a nail.
Adding an EV to my household (20k miles/yr) raised my electric bill by $50, and cut how much gas I use by about $350.
And nothing will stop the power company from increasing your bill 4x either. I seem to recall replacing 60w bulbs with CFLs and LEDs that use 12w along with more efficient appliances and HVAC, yet while my consumption has been reduced, I’ve never seen the savings from it.
Well, $200 is still less than $350. And that $350 is based on $3 per gallon of gas. We all know that that number will continue to increase...
If you are getting electricity THAT cheap ... I'm moving there !
@@insaneiaqhaha this is the stupidest argument ever. First of all if they change the power prices then you’ll be screwed too because even without an EV you still use electricity so your bill will go up ! Secondly I use solar and charge for free so I control when it cost me money to charge or not. And lastly the very argument of how suppliers can change the cost of fuel is 100% petrol powered cars. The price to fill your car up changes from week to week based on what the companies want to charge you. You’re 100% at their mercy now. My power plan means the cost to charge is the same no matter what week it is. The rate is the same - no fluctuating from week to week - unless you drill your own oil - you rely on them. I rely on the sun !
but when you add the ridiculous cost you spent vs a comparable gas car you could have bought 140k miles of gas before you start saving money, and that doesn't include a dime for your extra power bill. A 2018 tesla3 long range vs a 2018 loaded camry that gets 30mpg cost the tesla owner 18.5k extra if they got the full government rebate in 2018. So until your electric car is out of warranty and over 125k miles you havent saved a penny. stop lying to yourself. Electric cars cost so much more then gas that by the time you break even on what the gas would have cost you its time for a new car or a trade in before the battery fails. I owned 2 prius's so im speaking from experience. by the time i saved the 4-5k i spent by not buying a corolla it was time to trade in my 2005 for a 2012......after the second prius i did the math and realized it was a complete shell game and i didnt save a dime. plus i burdened the world with 2 more wasted nickel cadmium used up batteries. We are being lied to .....the only difference is some people choose to believe the lies to feel better about themselves and some are honest.
Absolutely astonishing that this Congressman thinks he stumbled on some kind of slam dunk by comparing electric cars to refrigerators. Seriously, what on earth.
they're (republicans) all bought by giant oil corps.
He's intelligent and knows whats going on, but like a politician-and especially a GOP politician-he loves to go for these gotcha questions that fall apart under actual scrutiny. This is a 'made for old people to share on facebook' confrontation, just like everything the GOP says. They have terrible policies and dont care about governing, so they have to antagonize to get votes. They're the most unserious people.
@@statelypenguinMassey is comparing apples and oranges. My car is charges off of a 50Amp service, much the same as my houses's electric furnace, not my refrigerator. Massey has solar panels and a massive EV battery in his home, so basically his Republican messages do as I say not as I do! No serious person is arguing that we should not upgrade our electrical infrastructure! Messy is not being serious here he is espousing the misinformation. We had infrastructure problems long before we had electrical cars! It's old and decrepit. The Biden administration is trying to do something about that while the Trump administration wants to end all upgrades. The electrical grid is an engineering problem and it will take an engineering solution to solve it, but we know the answers already just have to have the want to.
i never drove my refrigerator to work. ridiculous, i know, but so is that congressman.
It's quantifiable. This is an appropriate way of making a comparison between the potential energy demands. It would be more appropriate if he pointed out that refrigerators are only a small fraction of existing household electricity usage
There is excess capacity on the grid at night. It’s easy to incentivize people to charge at night as is done now.
There's excess capacity during the day as well.
Been driving electric for 6 years now. California just took AWAY my incentive to charge at night by removing "super off-peak" rates in the middle of the night. Now costs the same to charge at 2am as it does at 2pm 🤬
Yeah and we can use sky electricity and tesla coils 😂
@@bernardsouza814 Huh?
@@AlexMckenzieCalifornia has a huge spike in production between 9:00-3:00 because of the wide adoption of solar in the state. To the point that the grid potentially could have problems in the disparity when the sun goes down. It wouldn’t make sense to incentivize night charging with this being the case
Adoption means 'new car sales'
- but the replacement rate for cars is something like 5%-10% / year
- so, even if all new cars sold are fully electric, it would still take 10 - 20 years for the whole domestic car fleet to become electric...
Yup, and thar is about the current rate of change. It is going to happen, like it or not.
Yes but people will be resisting this so the rate will change as ppl use more used cars. In a democracy majority of people would vote to keep selling gas cars. Fact.
Takes the government 5 years to re-pave 5 miles of hwy.
How long will it take the government to add 4X as many coal and nuclear power plants?
Cali can't even keep up with the current usage, now multiply that by 10X in 8 years?
EV cars last about 10-12 years before needing a new battery that cost $20K. How big will the EV car landfill be?
@@Justin-w7x This is a democracy, and the majority of people voted for Biden, who ran on this clean energy plan.
@potcommitted5355 I agree with you for not waiting for the government. We need to install solar on all of ours properties as soon as possible. We need to stop just using ev and start just buying tesla specifically because they have a better thermal management system to extend their battery life. Multiple small businesses are installing old tesla car battery for the home. Hopefully we can push the government to shutdown all of their crap. Do like the people in Texas and buy more solar and battery for the home.
I’m confused is electricity all of the sudden free? If you still have to pay for the electric to run you everyday house hold items, and then add electric vehicles to the mix essentially quadrupling the amount of electric you use, isn’t your electric bill also going to increase by 4 times?
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You’re bill will go up around 40x or more, not four.
@Kat Thomas A friend of mine sometimes gets credit on his bill for excess, but it's nowhere near what you say you get. And of course, he has to pay when the sun doesn't shine for a few days.
@Kat Thomas How many watts of panels do you have on your relatively small home?
Yes bro, simple math but those ignorant liberals don't have the brain power to try and figure that out!
that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
be pretty scary to see a car charging towards you, but a fridge running is pretty bad too.
lol
Green Energy is not about individual energy independence, it's about specific interests profiting from it. Case in point, a neighbor of mine, an engineer by trade, built a homemade windmill and placed it on the roof of his home to draw in free electricity. The system was well designed and safe. He even posted videos of it on YT (which have since been removed). Over time as interest grew, the township became involved and forced him to remove it, claiming eyesores and various hazards. Goes to show you that everything's cool until someone creates a system INDEPENDENT of corporate and political interests, then they gang-up and squash the little guy.
"free electricity" lol, if you only knew how many megawatthours he could've paid for the same price and how little electricity he was actually pulling. Statistics in Europe show windmills output between 1 and 3 percent of their theoretical max power per year on average. And frankly just building a giant windmill by yourself in your garden does not sound exactly safe or legal either. It's not a freaking conspiracy.
they hate that. solar powerand green energy, like the dpt of education - is an entorely corrupt democrat girft to take tax payer dollars. they subsidize the panels - with tax payer money - pay themselves huge salary, and when the company goes broke they dont even care. its just an excuse to pad their pockets. anything with an unlimited subsidy is democrats stealing money.
Gotta stop and pay the toll to the troll.
We had the same experience. It was not an eye sore. They are noisy.
This is why I've built Darwin Turbines and disguised them, if they can't see them they can't moan.
Just because a goal is lofty doesn't mean you shouldn't work towards it
This demagogue Massey deliberately picked one of the LEAST power consumptive appliances in the house, namely a refrigerator which only consumes around 200W or so. But if he had picked a blow dryer (1.5 kW) or an air conditioner (3-4kW) or an electric range (3-5kW @ 240v) then the comparison with a car charger is far closer in magnitude. He's just playing to his ignorant base.
@444Dragoncheese All he had to do to explain to average Americans was to list common electrical appliances and their power requirements, like this: incandescent light bulb: 60W/100W, refrigerator: 200W, washer: 200W dryer (gas): 200W, dryer (electric): 2-5 kW, blow dryer: 1.5kW, A/C: 3-4 kW, 240v electric cooktop: 3-4kW (depending on # burners used), car charger: 6kW. THAT'S how a NON-DEMAGOGUE would phrase it so an average American can understand it.
@444Dragoncheese Yes I DID have trouble understanding it, until I put my power meter on my own appliances and measured them and I discovered he was deceiving the country. EV chargers are NOT A STRETCH AT ALL. An honest person would just list all the power numbers, as I did above, whereas a DISHONEST person will pick one fairly low-power appliance (just above a light bulb), to try to con people into thinking it is representative of all electrical appliances in the home (which it is NOT).
@444Dragoncheese First of all, do you know what instantaneous power is? Power is instantaneous, like velocity. There's NO SUCH THING as kW "per year," only kW-HOURS per year. kW-h is the integral of kW (it's a measure of WORK/ENERGY, like Joules) and kW is the time derivative of kW-h.
@444Dragoncheese No, your point doesn't stand because the comparison is still deceptive. You have to compare EV charger power consumption against ALL household appliances CURRENTLY BEING USED (WITH NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER!). And that's exactly what I did (above) and it's what Massie did NOT do. It doesn't matter whether someone out there has or does not have AC or a blow dryer of an electric coooktop, the fact is these are ALL in current use and are not any more of a problem than an EV charger would be.
I remember when about 10 years ago, a city in Indiana decided to have their entire fleet of vehicles (police cars, fire trucks, public works, etc.) - just over 400 of them, switch to run purely on ethanol because that could be produced easily form all the corn grown in that state. So, the city bought all these brand-new vehicles that GM made to run purely on ethanol and after they were delivered, the city realized that the closest ethanol refinery and storage facility was over 400 miles away and the vehicle cold be used until some large tanks were installed closer to the city yard. This is the kind of stuff the politicians do - don't think ahead.
democrats are over represented in incompetence
Which city was this?
You have to have a Plan. OK, Before we get the cars, Where does the People get fuel at? How far is the closes tank. Or on electric Cars, How long does a charge last, how many charging sites we need. What is the closes one to our parking lot. Like buying a bunch of cows and not having a farm to put them on. Like there is some town that don't have any electric plug in for Electric cars. England had Police driving Electric cars that ran out of charge while heading to a emergency call.
It’s an American problem, reactive instead or proactive 🤯
@@yayee7625 --- not as simple as that. the usa is not like a country such as norway. norway for example has one main city - oslo. which is not a terrible large city and it is a country flush with money from it's natural resources. it has no problem selling it's gas and oil. the usa on the other hand is dramatically vast and with some of the worlds largest cities and population and with an antiquated power grid within some of these cities. charleston comes to mind. norway's power lines within oslo is not as antiquated as many cities in the USA. and lastly.... consumers need to be ready for a tremendous increase in electrical costs to upgrade some of these lines as the Feds - unlike Norway.... is broke.
Not if you subtract off all the electricity used by refineries, pipelines, drilling and pumping etc.
How much more electricity will we use for AC to compensate for global warming?
A lot. If we go look at the Middle East. Some countries can use up to 70% of the electricity on ac
Yes, because the half a degree increase is causing so much extra use of AC... lol
If you are using AC you live in the perfect place to offset it with Solar and run your house and maybe charge your car to .
Also, why compare to a fridge instead of another electronic device? An EV will use 1500-1800 W, just like a space heater, or hair dryer, or gaming PC, or crypto rig, or a good surround sound system, or a hot tub (which some people leave running all year), etc.
@@sinclairalIt’s not half a degree it’s 1.8 degrees F. that also means more forest fires, flooding, more frequent hurricanes, problems with farming, I could go on. My boomer grandparents and gen X parents won’t have to worry about it but I sure as hell will.
As an engineer, if you do not set a goal, you will never get there. if you set a goal, you may miss a deadline, but you reach your objective a lot quicker. Whenever you set a time limit 'realistically' you are jsut like the student with a report due, you wait until the last moment, then write it. If you make the timeliness close enough, it is obvious you can not wait a day before starting to work on it. If you start working on it, you finish sooner. yes, it IS the job of politicians to set goals, and then to provide resources to the people who get it done. Look at NASA. they commonly have delays, but they still make progress and get to their goals.
I agree. While watching this video I kept thinking how important it is to set lofty goals. This applies in so many areas, even sports. Every time I run a 5k, I set an aggressive goal, which motivates me!
Well said sir.
You, as an engineer would know that nuclear would be the only option outside of fossil fuels.
Beautifully said
That makes sense. How about the fact that extracting Lithium is toxic to wildlife...? Carbon can be extracted even reduced as ICE cars have shown...Carbon is easier to clean than byproducts from Lithium extraction.
The Goal of a competent administration should have been to have an Electric Grid capable of 50% Electric Vehicles by 2030 and 100% by 2035. Attempting to create additional Demand before you can handle enough Supply is idiotic at best.
Additionally whenever they talk about cost of energy being cheaper with electric they are referring to current electric rates. Building a Power Production & Grid of that magnitude will be a massive expense which will either have to be paid for in Taxes if Federally Funded or in an Increase in Rate for Electricity if Privately Funded.
Show me the math on the cost of upgrading the grid factored into the cost of operating an electric vehicle. The fact that they haven’t even acknowledged what this will cost should be incredibly alarming for anyone.
Upgrading the grid wouldn't cause the price of electricity to go up. The costs of infrastructure are amortised over time in the price of electricity. That's how the current infrastructure works and there's no reason that new infrastructure would be more expensive.
@@programmer1840 A massive increase in infrastructure would require an increase in electric rate to pay off. This happens with our current grid. My own electricity rates just went up to pay for large damage/repairs caused by an ice storm last winter. The consumer pays for it one way or another, wether that’s taxes or rate.
And we will need all the fossil fuels available to do all this upgrading of the electrical power grid. These people are denser than a solid 20 by 20piece of cobalt steal.
@@sethrich5998 fair enough. In my country, it saves about 70% costs per mile compared to petrol cars. The cost of infrastructure on the energy bill is about 4%, so the benefits outweigh the downsides.
@@programmer1840 If you don’t mind what Country is it? The US can’t really be compared to most other countries in that regard. Reason being is land mass. Most other Countries have small land mass with dense populations. This massively eases the individual cost of infrastructure. The US has large amounts of rural area which creates huge increase in cost for expanding infrastructure. Even after you solve Power Production, the Power Transmission is a major issue. That’s not saying we shouldn’t be investing in upgrading the grid, but that needs to come before the cars. And so far no one has presented what that will cost to the taxpayer/consumer.
If you'd like to see the math on the grid handling EV adoption, here's the numbers: th-cam.com/video/7dfyG6FXsUU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ehtj5HVX6nA9M9mt
Wow interesting seeing you here on an old video.
Cheers to the engineers who do the real math. Thanks Jason!😁
I reference your videos for all the common talking points people bring up against EVs.
As a former distribution engineer for an electric utility, I went into a DOE national lab to help keep sanity in the mix. I did see, frustratingly, that the lawyers and polisci folks push me aside and taught a complete line of BS (to the state PUC staffers).
Pete 'Buttplug' Buttigieg.
I'd be interested to know more? (not buttplug glen) What is the BS? capacity is/ isn't there. It can be rolled out/ can't.
@@b.w.1386 Here are the basics. As things currently stand, 2/3's of the US is at or near capacity for their electrical usage, so that they are at risk of experiencing rolling blackouts at some point during the year. According to this video, and other estimates I have seen, an average household uses 890 kWh of electricity per month and a single electric car adds on average (depends on how many miles you drive) about 282 kWh of monthly energy usage. This is a 33% increase for one car. So the point of the video is if we mandate every family get an electric car by 2030 and effectively increase energy consumption by 25% (assuming a portion of the families already have an electric car), then we are going to be in trouble. The sad part of all this is that we used to have more reliable energy capacity in this country when we used coal to help us. But now, coal, oil and natural gas are all evil, and the "green energy" ideas just aren't reliable enough energy (nor large enough) to make up the difference. Probably the real solution to all of this is nuclear energy (which is how Europe makes up the gap), but no one want to talk about that in the USA.
@@RS-tz2zn i agree with the nuclear energy recommendation. Just wanted to clarify that the 2030-35 is just a goal for adoption of new cars that are manufactured or sold that year, its not feasible that 50% of the country could switch to new cars in 8 years.
@@ibrahimhyder Thanks, that is good to know that it is 50% of cars sold in 2030, not 50% of all cars. We'll see what happens...
The sad thing is how we, as a society, always have an "all or nothing" mentality. There are good points about gas cars. And electric cars. And hydrogen cars. Give people a choice and this will work out. Force people down one road, so to speak, and many will rebel.
Just in case you haven't realized it yet, although I'm sure you have, "they" don't want us to have a choice! 🙏🇺🇲
@@puregrit8057 yes, of course ev charging infrastructure would need to be expanded, but where d'ya think all of the green/ZE energy will come from!? C'mon, man!! 🤣
There are no good points about hydrogen cars right now. It's less economically efficient, it's less environmentally efficient, it's less convenient. Until there is a revolutionary change in technology, hydrogen powered vehicles are a non-starter.
@@puregrit8057 I've seen this post before and I believe it was by you. This is pure BS what you're saying, Pete Buttplug talks about wants and needs, but I've seen nothing done on increasing or bettering the grid. Oh my, they've made a new government office on the problem, golly, all our problems are solved, what BS. The politician should have asked where are these improvements going on right now, because they aren't. Besides that the amount of material just to produce batteries for these cars is staggering. So here''s some facts instead of pipe dreams like Pete has.
When more hydro power projects are talked about, people like the Sierra club and tree huggers scream their heads off and defeat any measure to do that. Such as California who could easily create some there.
Electric cars....If you love strip mining, you'll love what it takes to do electric cars. For every Tesla sized car it takes the following
- 22 lbs of lithium
75 lbs of nickel
45 lbs. of copper
Trucks and anything bigger will require more, much more.
The lithium supply in the world. - 80% in Australia, followed by 15% in China and about 2 % in the US. Now when you add up all vehicles in the US being electric, you will exhaust the supply of lithium alone. What's the rest of the world going to do??? We aren't there yet to just give up oil, and you're going to love waiting for your car to charge. Oh, and I forgot about all those "charging stations" and how much copper they will require. Now what do you think???
@@puregrit8057
That’s hilarious.
I have serious doubts that the government will do anything anytime soon, to upgrade the electric grid….that is what needs to happen, and then we still have to talk about the need for economic and cleaner energy before it all becomes viable.
Your current government idiots just want it to happen, without regard to what it will cost We The People and also whether or not the people even want it.
-most don’t.
A similar situation happened here in Sri Lanka with chemical fertilizers recently. The government imposed a 100% ban on chemical fertilizers when the country wasn't ready to go 100% natural. As a result, we're now facing massive food shortages. Politicians in general have no clue on how to accomplish something like this rationally.
Honestly pesticides and fertilizers have heavy metals in them that cause autism and school shooting in america. Banning those are good, but like always you cant just do it overnight, needs to be slow.
politics doesn't select for competence. it selects for politics.
Well said sir.
Funny you mention Sri Lanka. That’s a utopia right now isn’t it. Funny they’re not calling what happened there an “insurrection”
It's not a bug, it's a feature...
Before politicians speak, they should have to declare who their financial backers are.
Nah in this case that would not work. The Anti EV propagandist are motivated way beyond just being paid. It's also just a cult people are willing to serve for no financial payout.
Robin Williams said they should wear patches like the Nascar drivers.
What the questioner is omitting is the concurrent/peak usage. Aircon is often used at the same time, ie afternoon and evening. Cars can be charged overnight when grid usage is low. We're already seeing electricity retailers offering super-cheap pricing (like 75% discount) midnight to 6am for electric vehicle households for this reason. MG4 home charges (240V single phase) at 6.6kwh, my ducted aircon runs at 6.3kwh. But they'll rarely be run together.
Add, most people don't need to charge their vehicle every night. I have an EV. I drive about 60 miles per day for work. I can go 3 - 4 days before I have to charge my vehicle. My wife has an EV we only have to charge her vehicle once every 2 weeks!!.
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to look up one single fact that out of context supports what you already believe and then just repeat it ad nauseum regardless of what other facts or context there is. Mr politician has it right.
I am willing to bet that when this happens they will up the price on electricity. More then it already is.
FPUA just doubled their rates without any warning! There’s a nuclear plant, and the largest solar farm in Florida in the county. They blamed it on “the price of natural gas doubling “ although there is NO gas burning generators here. Of course, there street lights on in the daytime, and I watched them spend two days, with 13 trucks (with engines running the whole time) and over 20 employees to move a telephone pole four feet instead of just cutting down the palm tree that caused the move.
@@MarshalWalk3r Come on Man you had to Edit that Brother.
Electricity is already more expensive than natural gas. It's hilarious to me people like Buttigug think there is enough "energy" provided by solar and wind to power our nations grids. And they never talk about the service upgrades that will have to happen to peoples homes in order to charge their EV - unless they want to wait for 48 hours or more to charge it. Thank God this BS is just an executive order that can be reversed when a Conservative takes office.
Exactly what's happened to natural gas. They got us by the short hairs.
I am willing bet when the energy shortages come the left will quickly turn back to burning coal to charge their electric vehicles. 😂
They haven't been able to fix CA's electric grid in years, they still have brown and blackouts regularly in the heat of the summer; imagine if they all had 2 electric cars.
California had a massive surplus of energy in 2000, around 2 gigawatts I believe. Then Grey Davis and the democratics went on a massive campaign and shut down all of the nuclear plants, except for Diablo canyon, which is in Newsom's sights to get shut down.
@@renegade_patriot 1.21 gigawatts of that is needed for just one Delorean for one trip.
@@jackjones5314 Doc Brown for governor
In a word.... deregulation. In two words free market.
Trash to electricity plants like in many countries are producing cheap electricity.
San Diego Kalifornia voted against it over 30 years and now the land fill is huge.
Every trick in the book to protect the oil companies
No it wasnt, it was showing the scam of the green new deal. its unrealistic at this point. Its a scam, and its hurting america as we speak.
States are now having rolling blackouts that didn't have a problem before! This is already a big problem now!
Yep
California already has that problem, has for the last few years.
They didn't explain how it would take at least 15 to 20 years just to build out the nation's power grid (if they started today, they have not) and that is BEFORE they get started building enough power facilities to power that grid. But I dont want to get ahead of myself. firstly, Biden and Buttigieg want to buy the EV's .......... that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars.
The US don't know how to produce electricity though, they probably should ask Québec how to actually make a reliable electricity grid.
Yeah because the Republicans keep killing infrastructure bills because they don't give a rats ass for you. But at least you can rest assured that they will be in another country enjoying themselves when your power goes out in the middle of winter so don't forget to vote them back in.
Refrigerators are one of the most efficient appliances. There is a reason why the preferred way to charge electric cars is a 50 amp circuit. You might as well be arc welding 6 hours a day.
Yes, you summed it up 50-amp circuit arc welding for 6 hours Aday.
Now do the math using average miles driven per day, instead of assuming people drive 200+ miles a day
We should be welding for six hours a day, so that we can build something better than those pathetic tin can electric cars that run off power from burning coal and oil... How about we all do hydrogen... sounds like a good idea to me...
The point is your electric rates will sky rocket !
@@scottpopowski902 Bingo all part of the brainwashing by the special interests and democrats set to get rich!
Next question, "What is California's plan to dispose of the 25 years old solar panels and toxic materials within them that they subsidized in the late nineties?"
Follow up question, "Shouldn't we identify and plan for these future challenges before we create them?"
There are already big problems disposing of all the warn out wind mill blades, look it up.
That would be anti communist. Be a good comrade and trust the plan.
@John Spurrier Next question should be, " What are the plans to dispose of the Diablo canyon nuclear power plant and the 50 thousand tons of high level spent fuel currently costing
4.6 million dollars A DAY TO KEEP COOL, WHEN THE PLANT PRODUCES ZERO ELECTRICTY, AND SITS ON 3 FAULT LINES? ONE EARTHQUAKE AND WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN GIANT FUKUSHIMA!!
Let's worry about storing nuclear waste in fuel pools in zero containment and hemorrhaging radiation into the water and air! That fuel is still splitting the atoms and producing enough heat to power half of California! And it will be for thousands of years!
Follow up question for you, is disposing of ICE / carbon waste in our air a bigger or smaller problem than solar panels?
'100% of car sales by 2035' is too slow adaption if anything. It'll take another 20 years beyond that to replace the existing fleet. Having 30 years to marginally increase the grid capacity is quite generous.
That goal of 2035 is for 50% of passenger vehicles. That doesn't include a lot of vehicles. But it will make a dent in lowering the amount of pollution.
I hate how they interrupt rather than just let him finish answering the questions being asked. It's equivalent to a kid sticking their fingers in their ears yelling, "I can't hear you." The one asking the questions wasn't having a discussion/conversation, he was more interested in talking at him rather than with him.
It's scary the disconnect between their hopes and dreams and the harsh reality of existence.
They don't give a shit! They don't and won't suffer WE will!
The harsh reality is that they don't care how much harm their plan will cause all of us. Maybe you haven't noticed, but they want us all dead.
If only the grid could handle peak usage without blackouts before electric cars ,,,,
"Political science..." Well said.
Their brains became disconnected with reality when Clinton got his cigar smoked and questioned what is is.
Adding that much load to the grid requires upgrading and increasing capacity for every piece of electrical infrastructure including the overhead and underground distribution cables, substation breakers, transformers, fuses, all the way down to your home's breaker panel. You can't just increase generation on one end and increase load on the other and hope the circuit doesn't trip off.
Its inevitable that they will place restrictions on charging at certain times of the day like gas rationing.
It’s honestly hilarious to watch you guys trip over yourselves over the fear of reducing reliance on gasoline over a decade. I mean, according to your attitude, why do anything at all of it’s remotely difficult? Electric cars are emerging at the consumer level, governments are trying to prepare for that inevitability, are you guys suddenly against capitalism and free markets now or are you just triggered by sound bites on TH-cam?
And they have to let the power companies build the generating capacity. They routinely stand in the way of building power plants.
@@aeoliangreen How does stating simple facts about grid upgrades needed to accomplish charging at your home mean they are afraid? I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. That’s like me saying I need some nails to build my fence and you saying that I’m afraid of wood… You see, doesn’t make sense.
@@shavedwolf87 because when you don't have a rebuttal the truth seems like an attack on "the future"....BTW I would love to hear his opinion now that California is having rolling blackouts.
Give both of these men gold stars. Civil, data-based debate. Largely wrong & cherry-picked data, but it's in complete sentences and without ad-hominem attacks and that's worth something in this day and age!
Anecdotal but my wife and I have electric cars and a 5kW solar system and our electricity usage is smack in the middle of average household. Pretty easy to offset from a usage standpoint. Peak usage will be higher while charging. With some work the grid will be fine.
Solar subsidies for adopting electric cars. Can support two industries at once. Problem is lower home ownership would reduce effectiveness
Without getting into the argument of the subject, I would just like to say how ecstatic I was to watch a video of two politicians debating like educated adults. Both had valid points, both were respectful of the other without shouting over each other, without shouting at all. Gave me a small bit of hope, that once we get the top of their lungs nutjobs voted out, we can get back to this type of leadership in our government.
Yeah, that is a point.
Though that Massie guy was playing cherry pick the appliance.
Because knowing a bit about the situation at hand.
I immediately thought of Air Conditioners. Air Conditioners are already stressing grids across the US. And as temps rise. More Air Conditioners Running 24/7.
And I would have asked what he thought about what they ARE doing. And Will Do. If temps continue to rise.
But that's just me 🤗
@@My-Pal-Hal however the guy arguing agasint electric vehicles was completely ignoring the fact that in that bill was plans to improve the electric grid to support the increased needs
@@Shadowtiger2564
Oh Yes...
Those Repugnantcants across the aisle fail to mention many things.
Especially everything They Vote Against. But take Full Advantage Of.
They are Hypocrites and Criminals. And always have anyone, Except Themselves To Blame.
... it's sad, and tiring
Yeeeeahhh, I mean kinda, but just as I read this comment Massey asks a question then interrupts and talks over Buttigieg, raising his voice. At its best, this is still the level of discourse between elected officials and it's not serving the rest of us.
50% new car sales would be EV by 2030 according to plan, not 50% cars on road would be EV. He is misleading with numbers.
"It's going to need to be". Classic upper management answer for a problem they have no ability to solve or even comprehend the enormity of the problem themselves.
His comment had “someone else has to solve it not me” energy. It’s like when some late night host said people should just buy a tesla
Since when has "need" not been the driver of innovation?
@@model_number_band If electric is the way it’s a cleaner energy than fine, but the way this guy says it as he makes it sound like it is a problem we have that he thinks needs to be fixed but he doesn’t want to fix himself but wants to continue to encourage. It’s kind of like saying that someone is totally for some great social cause, but will just say that they agree with its message and then they just won’t do anything about it at all. That’s what he sounds like. It’s “we should do this but I don’t know how exactly, and we should try to do it in 8 years”
Well said and true.
Trees can't convert used and dead batteries into oxygen..CO2 emissions can be.
4:40 I wonder what this guy would have said about Kennedy's moonshot speech. I appreciate this guy for being one of the more reasonable sounding critics of this plan, but his and a lot of people seem to base their opinions on a picture of EVERYONE running their electric car better COMPLETELY empty every day when it is far more common for people to drive much shorter distance on a daily basis and plug in at various times.
He sums it up perfectly, “…pain and suffering for the middle class.” And I guarantee that falls on deaf ears. These political elitists are completely out of touch.
Time to change a lot of diapers in 2022 and I’m not just talking about Biden’s actual diaper
Perfectly ignorant comment. You know what will cause "pain and suffering for the middle class," too? Loss of jobs, homes, and economic productivity because of climate change. Are we to continue to ignore the problem because there's a cost associated? I'm not sure if your luddite mind can wrap itself around this: at one time we lit lamps with whale oil; now we use electricity and light bulbs. Things change and need to do so. Get on with it. The real people who are "out of touch" are those that ignore the reality that climate is changing and we're on a precipice (this is most likely a 12th grade word, so I'll define it: precipice - steep rock face or cliff).
@@snigs5T5 The hypocrisy of elitists like Al Gore is displayed in their avarice (another 12th grade word for you). Their ignorance of the challenges of average citizens is highlighted in their suggestion to just go out and buy an electric vehicle (@>$40,000), to save $80/mo. on gas. When they begin to live like the rest of us, maybe then I’ll start to pay attention.
@@billiontion6064 of course you miss the point about electric vehicles, but I wouldn't expect any more from you. Plus you miss the asinine point that that ridiculous senator is trying to make: "the grid can't handle more electricity so that is bad so no EVs mmm k." But hey, you keep that ignorance going, ok champ.
@Apsoy Pike: Look up Halliburton, it gives an idea what is going on... they built out a chemical processing refinery in Saudi Arabia to meet year 2020 (election year, what a coincidence), then Halliburton partnered with Saudi oil company, Saudi Aramco. Then, Saudi Aramco recently partnered with the CCP bringing in Halliburton as their consultant to the CCP to build out gas/oil refineries 'in China for GLOBAL distribution'. So not only did China get U.S. manufacturing, Biden shut US oil/gas (permits), why or is there another big exodus of a major industry sector to further weaken U.S. labor? China is going to be the global distributor, we wondered why the CCP business entities were buying land in Oklahoma & other places. Biden released 1million barrels of U.S. crude oil from OUR reserve to the CCP, while we are suckers at the gas pump. And CCP partnered mainstream media is pretending China is going to attack Pelosi, what a crock of non-sense these globalists' politicians are playing against the U.S. citizenry.
Having designed power line upgrades for power companies for 20 years, I can tell you this: the customer is going to pay through the nose for the upgrades needed for all these electric vehicles.
Just saying hope your mix baby gets put up
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Noone is listening. Don't understand hybrid capitalism/socialism
@@brobrio what do you think we have now? Public schools, food stamps, welfare, roads/infrastructure are all examples of socialist programs. That's why we pay taxes. If we didn't have a hybrid system, we wouldn't pay taxes we would simple have to set up a system so we could pay for all of these services when we used them.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket industry refuses to compete? Do you know how expensive copper cable is? Do you realize the amount of cable needed, at a larger gauge btw to carry all that current? Now you want tax payers to foot the bill? Jesus christ, you libs won't be happy until we are all working for nothing but the tax bill. Look, you want windmills and solar and free this and that, move somewhere that already offers it.
If you don’t want to live on this planet, let me know!
The thing that boggles my mind the most with these people who are obsessed with going green and driving EV is that they never seem to promote or push the idea of expanding our nuclear energy capabilities at home either.
In time they will because that is the entire point of electric cars. They are waiting until there is no turning back. Then they will have to build more nuclear plants.
FYI there is only 1 company capable of building nuclear power plants in the USA. It is TerraPower, owned completely and solely by William Gates.
Now you now the rest of the story.
What gets me they are not being honest about an electric car. The cost of maintenance etc. Check the price of a new battery with installation . Going green is not for me or my budget.
What boggles me is they'll all say global warming and not prove it even exists. But you better give up everything for it
I'm an environmentalist and I always emphasize nuclear as part of a diversified energy portfolio for our country. Depends on different regions of the country, their strengths and weaknesses.
No nuclear... we don't want radiation poisoning.
Watching this from Denmark, a somewhat regulated capitalistic democracy in Northern Europe, we have a simple solution: our electricity price is set hourly based on supply and demand. The price for the next day is known at 3 PM. This incentivizes consumers to adjust their consumption according to supply. It is evident that electric vehicle owners charge significantly more when the price is low and almost never when the grid load is high, such as in the evening when everyone is cooking
at least he's straight with his answers, not dodging them and answering questions that weren't asked. I'll give him that.
💯% ...it is mind blowing given the the standard practice of politics.
I give Pete nothing but the ‘Stupid’ Award bc the Green New 💩 Deal will not work. I’ve paid attention and have listened to the authorities on the matter-this plan is purely psychotic !!
I mean, to the question of will the grid be ready by 2030, the answer should have been a straight up no. If government is involved in those upgrades the grid won't be ready until 2130. So he loses points on that in my book.
I was thinking the same thing.
The questioning of law enforcement officials goes so much differently.
Why isn't this guy answering every question with "I don't have that information", or "I will have to look into that"?
Almost as if the heads of law enforcement/government don't want us to know about all the illegal/unconstitutional shit they are doing.
Yeah, but he is so ARROGANT I'm sick of Joe Biden and these type people TELLING ME what is BEST for ME!
Our infrastructure is so wildly lagging behind being able to handle this “ideal electric vehicle” situation by 2030 its scary. Can’t just switch to 50% electric by 2030 then figure the rest out as we go
Agreed, that won’t work.
The truth is as Massie says, we just don’t have a big enough electrical grid
To support widespread adoption of electric cars.
The country needs 100s of billions of dollars of upgrades. It's possible but will take a very long time
@@r.d.9399 🤣
Of course it will handle the new electric infrastructure. Because it's not for everyone. They just implemented global population control. By 2030 for it to become a reality. The real upset will be 2024-2025 when a lot of people are still around as they make the changes.
Why not, Pelosi asked to pass Obamacare so we could find out what was in it.
"I'm smelling a lot of "if" coming off this plan." - Jayne Cobb
Most American smell something else.
@@The_DC_Kid And what smell would that be? The smell of utter shit coming from our politicians? Or the smell of elitism from our oligarchs and celebs? Or the smell of poverty and hopelessness coming from over 50% of the population who can't even afford to live anywhere since the greediest bastards in the country took advantage of the Covid crisis to buy up all the real estate and jack up the prices? Oh, I know! The ripe smell of exploitation and absolute destruction that follows our military into at least 6 or 7 different countries that have no ability to really fight back? Which one were you thinking of and what does your country smell of?
@@CleaversVids My parents used to say stuff like "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." Same idea. The character Jayne Cobb that I quoted above had a funny version of that saying. He once said "If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak!"
Pete is awesome at responding to these attacks , which is why I’m kinda floored he didn’t bring up the massive unused capacity we have at nighttime - when people sleep and cars ideally charge (I believe most Ev’s have onboard timers, otherwise charging stations and phone apps can aid in this).
15 yrs ago when I first started advocating for EVs the math I was told worked out that our grid *at nighttime* could accommodate like 70% of our vehicles. Timing matters . Even if that number is off.
As a power lineman I can tell you it probably take 50+ years to upgrade my local system to be able to support electric cars in every house.
gee and you're only a lineman 🤣
agreed , Im an inside wireman and most peoples service would need to be upgraded as well. Power goes out for a storm and now you cant leave your home because your car isnt charged
I'm a quarterback and I can confirm what he's sayins is true.
Im a stay a home dad with only a youtube degree in wiring and even i know my town in BFE will bot be capable of charging any electric vehicles
@@atgrandfathersknee3065 im a rodeo clown and i think trump is a liar!
When I go to fill my car up, sometimes there is a wait, maybe 10 minutes before it's my turn. Can you imagine how long the wait line will be if it takes over an hour to charge an EV?
Yeah, these people are 100% stupid, especially the fruitcake being questioned.
You nailed it !
Its a democrat idea, and they are incapable of thinking that far into any plan. Or put another way, have you ever met a democrat with a lick of common sense?
Exactly I’m keeping my 2000 town car
They want to control how u live ur life
I know right. Doesn't everyone remember how in the 60's President Kennedy said we should put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. And then everyone complained about how we didn't have the infrastructure in place to do that so we didn't? Remember, that's definitely how that went.
What? We went to the moon six times!
@Realist
NO! Six times!
Also recall that in the 90s they said we should have a goal to have faster internet, but the infrastructure wasn't there to support that; so that's why we all use dial-up modems at 28.8 kbps.
@@grumbles lol wow what a comparison! Setting a goal for “Faster Internet”, didn’t result in a bunch of unqualified leftards, who’re trying to totally change the country’s infrastructure overnight, because some Swedish kid with a nervous tick told everyone that it was the right thing to do!
@@grumbles You have 28.8? Damn. I'm still on 14.4.
He can pronounce "naivety" fancily but mispronounces Pete's last name? Mkkk Mr Kentucky.
I can only tell you from my own experience, having a Tesla from July of last year, the car is super efficient. My electric bill went up slightly and I'm not enrolled in the program since I'm still charging it from 110v (have to install the charger, plan on doing it myself). But if you listen to the point, of course the grid has to be upgraded, which it should. It's like giving everyone a new wifi laptop and not upgrading your router to handle the increase bandwidth. Also, it's the same with the incandescent light bulb, I remember vividly when Obama passed that law, I was in a Lowes and some was complaining about how they had to buy LED bulbs, I tried to explained to them, at 60watts for a $1.00 that is alot of wattages versus 7.5 watts $5.00 a bulb that last for years, it's less on the grid. They just couldn't (or should I say didn't want the change) now, you can't even find an incandescent bulb. Like someone else said with the cell phone industry, same thing. There are Americans now that still have a dial up phone. EVs are out and I love the simplicity of them, hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
Yeah, it's going to have to be upgraded regardless to handle all the AC demand from global warming anyways so it's really a bad faith point by the Republican. (what a surprise)
@444Dragoncheese 10 Mike's a day and salary is a personal matter, I am middle class, what's your point.
@444Dragoncheese nope, but it's all good
There are still people who doesn't want to use credit cards, cell phones, etc. etc.
Well I'll chime in, I have solar on my house,and I love it,no electric bill,as for electric cars,no I don't own one and wont,that said my son has the model x,and I luv it,great to drive,self driving is insain,car summoning awsum,traveling any distance,slow,to much stopping to charge,charging at home and he has level 2,slow,his electric bill,horrendous. But the real offset for me is the maintenance cost,even just for tires,repairs slow and very costly,accident repairs are 3rd party approved centers,parts take forever to get. For me the good just don't outway the bad. I've seen a stupid amount of failures on these vehicles,camera,sensors,hood trunk cable,worn out front end parts just to name a few$3000 for a set of tires,and he's on his 3rd set,get fawkin real,just don't think so,but that's JM2C
Pete's plan doesn't include "the peasants" having such things as personal vehicles and climate controlled single family dwellings!
Lefties don't let details like that get in the way. I can see it now - "Kids! Get on those bikes, we need to run the fridge
awhile!"
Nor does it include such things as cost of the vehicle. I cannot afford one, if I could, it would have to be charged on a 110 outlet, which would take well over 30 hours.
@@hensonlaura Kids: But mom, my body my choice
The GOP's plan is no plan whatsoever.
Amen! Trying to push their BS 2030 Plan and force us into their cities of the future. WIth no way out but a peddle bike or on foot.
At what point did we give the federal government the right to determine what kind of car we can buy. When electric cars make sense people will buy them. Right now the tech just isn’t good enough.
Where do you live? In the United States, our government does not determine what kind of car we can buy. It must suck in your country to have that dictated to you. In the U.S. there is certainly a strong push for the adoption of electric, and we are investing in expanding the number of charging stations. But yeah, much empathy for you in your country where it sounds like they are literally forcing you to buy a product. Oh btw the tech is just fine on electric cars, and the prices have come down considerably. My friend just bought one last month and she is totally loving it.
they want to force the impossible, it's great leap forward tier delusion and is going to end in disaster
@@scott8xxx532 LOL....yeah right🙄 EVs cost more today than 3 years ago and the tech sucks because nothing is standardized. You can't even use half the charging stations out there with cars all having different sockets, different charge rates, and not to mention complete BS range estimates that are only slightly accurate at 70f with no wind. When the temp drops the range drops by 40%...that's not good tech, that's crap.
You no longer have the right to buy a car that gets 7 miles per gallon and has enough steel to protect you from hitting a tank. You haven't had that right for over fifty years.
@@scott8xxx532 Why do you guys even bother commenting? It's so obvious that you're shilling.
"My friend just bought one last month and is totally loving it." You couldn't sound more like a commercial if you tried...
Maisie Daisy’s conclusion is unfounded. Mayor Pete poked holes in his arguments!
Massie knows what he's talking about. He's wired his whole house to run off a Tesla battery. He graduated from MIT for mechanical engineering, so I'd take his word of Pete.
Interesting
I wouldn't
Mayor Pete doesn’t know jack about transportation let alone anything do to with electricity. None of these fools in this administration do. Smh
Massie must hate crypto then, eh?
He made a totally generic comment with no basis on how much it would affect the electric grid.
He should have focused on the fact that the electric grid is already coal or gas powered so they need to find a different energy resource like nuclear reactor.
"If we blindly follow these goals, it will cause pain and suffering to the middle class"
Yeah, duly noted. Let's go get lunch.
Weird how they've never cared about the middle class except in this scenario.
Exactly
@@TheChivalricKnight it's because the middle class doesn't give a shit and stands by while they do this too...
And don't worry about the devastating increase in cancer cases because the liars have told us the electromagnetic fields don't have anything to do with cancer so when it happens just deny the cause
That's the point.
I HAVE THE SOLUTION: To avoid building more power plants, everyone that owns an electric car(s) must charge them ONLY from solar panels or wind turbines.
Why?
That'll achieve sod all.
You do know what a solution is supposed to do?
@@Gambit771 Shh, they live in a dream world. If they were actually told the truth, they would just make more END OF THE WORLD videos.
@@Gambit771 It will make the greenies stand up and understand the realities of today. That is, a magic wand will not work and neither will just saying it. The infrastructure needs to be put in place for this to work...and it will take longer than 8 years. In effect, fossil fuels power the electric grid. As fossil fuels are eliminated what will take its place? Pretty much the only alternative is nuclear and the greenies don't like that either. Great goal but it is time to be realistic...C'mon man.
I have an even better idea, why dont we hold off on EVs until they develop a newer energy sorce to replace batteries and fossil fuel generators so you can recharge in minutes and leave rather than wait hours just for a mile or two until recharge. A Non rechargeable generator that needs no refueling or recharging at all but u swap out a core every 50 to 100 years. By then the shitty concept of EVs will be outdated, because they will have flying cars or shall I say, spaceships to travel around in, and they wont need refueling or recharging either so it would make charging stations old n unneeded. Think about that, we use Fusion power instead of electricity or fuel, nuclear power plants to power up everything and eventually we will reach the point where nuclear fusion reactors will become soo powerful, that we would have Wireless energy to supply electricity to everyone without wires or cables but thru optic wires that use light or some sort of reciever antenna that will receive the Wireless electricity produced by the Nuclear fusion reactor generators!! By this time, Warp engines and USS Enterprise ships will be the new shit, space will be where it's all going to be at. So yea why don't we just wait til we develop such technology before we replace fossil fuels!!
Lol. "I HAVE THE SOLUTION: ABANDON WHAT WORKS AND FORCE MY HYPOTHETICAL EXPENSE ON EVERYONE."
"the average family has 2 vehicles" is the most out of touch statement I've ever heard
How so?
@@PocketsandOutlaw Where the hell is everyone living? Are we the only ones born into poverty? Life sucks man
Totally not surprised. I had product designers present their final thesis about domestic appliances to me - and it was obvious that after 4 years of university, the connection between power, amperage and cable cross section wasn't clear to them - how should a professional politician know that charging an EV would need such an exotic thing like electricity???
Especially when the energy derives from carbon sources
Electricity can be generated by renewable sources that offset a lot of the carbon emissions. We are not getting rid of carbon emissions, but becoming carbon neutral.
@@easyenetwork2023
Lmao
No, it can't. Al non-fossil, non-fission power shouls be banned entirely and all research and developed tech destroyed. Wind, solar, and EVs are nothing more than scams propped by stupid people.
@angrysheep101 Solid state batteries and we have enough rare earth minerals in the deserts to supply us for hundreds of years.
We have enough oil to supply us with energy for hundreds of years also.
Electric grid can't support running our current system, so let's force it to 100000x its output.
What could go wrong
Do you not maintain your house or car? Are you surprised when either of those break down?
Might be a good idea to begin upgrading the grid?
@@easternyellowjacket276 Are you serious? Ukrenians need the money LOL
Ontario, Canada. We'll pay you to take our excess energy while we pay double your rates for the privilege.
When everyone switches to EVs, then they will force you to start using buses and take your cars from you. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
Honestly as an electrician I can picture all house's needing a min. 200amp service to run two electric car chargers at the same time and almost all neighborhoods couldn't support it and all power lines/transformers would need to be upgraded to support that section on the grid.
Your point is well taken. I'd suggest a 400 Amp service is more likely needed, especially if there are two electric cars in the garage.
The selling point of al this BS is the liars coin. Heads = We must lower energy consumption. Tails = all vehicles, tools, generators, etc... must be electrical devices charged through remote power generation sites. Or, Heads= The earth is being raped and destroyed by mining for fossil fuels. Tails= We must mine more lithium and other rare earth minerals and create more toxic waste dumps for billions of disposed highly toxic batteries and disposable vehicles.
The same asshats came up with six sigma engineering and designing short lifespan disposable products. None of their tyrannical and destructive bullshit is possible without international monopolies, controlled propaganda, censorship, central banking, and central governments.
This is being done so the millionaires can become billionaires and the billionaires can become trillionaires and people wonder how they became arrogant enough to boast of genociding 93% of the population that is in their way.
They are a cult of liars, thieves, murderers, and Talmudic Supremacists.
Would they need to run them at the same time though? Could they but alternate which is charging when? We don't fill up on gas every day, and I hear electric car owners don't charge every day either.
There was a time when no one had running water either. Somehow civilization managed the upgrade.
Isn't a 200A panel already the minimum installed in any new home? If I'm not mistaken I think it's actually 300A.
"...will cause pain and suffering for the middle-class..." Phew, I was worried how this might affect me.
We bought a used EV in 2018, charged it off normal plug overnight, costs about $1.80 to charge off normal rates. It was so cheap and reliable (only car we've had that didn't need oil changes and constant maintenance, breaking down, etc.) that now we charge it off solar for less than a nickel.
And how many miles per week?
@@joelalsup1561 very little, maybe 100
What EV do you have?
@@nickytealive less the 100 sounds like a Leaf or i3
@@YoFool.1506 , I do 1000 miles per month. In a Leaf. About the same in my Tesla Model 3.
My Tesla is doing many small trips, the Leaf does 500 miles every alt weekend.
10 years ago, when I bought my first EV - I had just moved into a largish house with only incandescent bulbs and low efficiency appliances (like, ACs). I swapped all my bulbs for LEDs, changed my energy hungry appliances for energy efficient ones, added my car which charged only in the middle of the night, and my electric bills did not go up.
@gringott12 Probably less than he previously spent on gas. Ditto for me.
@gringott12 You should avoid posting while drunk.
Holy sh. You should run for oresident
In our area, the electric Co-OP limits A/C and electric water heaters by radio control at peak demands- will high use car chargers be the same?
Wtf seriously?
Yes, all night long. To keep from blowing the transformers from overload.
Electric cars can be shut off remotely just like you are seeing with your essential appliances. Your electric car will just sit and collect dust when the goverment in control decides you shouldn't be using electricity for whatever reason.
Yes. It's called load shaving. And in fact, not only can they stop giving you power, they can take it from your car's battery to help meet peak time demands.
@@Dan16673 I used to live in a town that did that. They came to the house and installed a wireless gadget so they could shut off our heat and air whenever they wanted to. Luckily, in our case, the tech was a failure and didn't connect it correctly. So the system never shut down ours a single time. :)
An ev can use 8amp, 12 amp, and 30 amp power depending on choice of charging and be used as off grid storage and v2g bidirectional grid offloading. A spa uses 50 amp and you can’t recycle that wasted electricity. Are they going to enquire the energy demand of spas ?
This reminds me of the city in Michigan that praised themselves for the cost savings by switching out all of their traffic signals to LED from it's previous incandescent bulbs. The touted savings of electric costs and maintenance due to longer life. Unfortunately the result in the Winter the traffic signals were snow and ice covered and unreadable. This happened because while the incandescent bulbs draw more electricity they also provide heat to melt ice and snow. The local government's solution was to install heat packs onto every traffic signal which in the end cost the city more and used more electricity. Big fail.
Ummmm. LEDs ALSO get hot but only the ones as powerful as headlights. But I understand your point. Some things are DESIGNED PROPERLY the first time and any conversion lacks certain things.
If it ended up using even close to as much power yearly then that's poor implementation, the heater doesn't need to draw more than an incandescent bulb, and it doesn't need to run when there's no snow\freezing rain.
@@Alex_1A It is government...poor implementation is a synonym.
@@OffGridInvestor Correct, but it gets VERY COLD in Michigan during the winter, its called the "Lake Affect". Most places can use LEDs but that city learned a hard lesson.
Why would it draw more power? It only needs to heat to above the melting point, and then only in places it snows when it snows. And it probably wouldn't need a heater at all if you designed it correctly.
Massie is probably one of the most intelligent people in DC - look up his education background and what he’s accomplished. You may not agree with him, no one can say he’s “dumb”
Not dumb, just wrong.
And maybe in the pocket of certain petrochemical industries.
@@wonlop469 Massie is hard to lobby with or against if you look into his background and voting block of mostly Appalachia Kentucky. A particular part of Appalachia that has an almost non existent coal industry at that. All he is saying here is that it would be nearly impossible to more than double our electric grid demand in the next 10 or so years while also turning off 60% of our grid, the fossil fuels. While I don't think anyone should blindly follow any "expert", whether that's Buttigieg or Massie, Massie's field of expertise prior to his political life should still give some merit to his argument, being an electrical engineering grad from MIT. Adding 160% more renewable energy in 10 or so years to a country as big as ours would take trillions of dollars to do; something our utility companies can't do on their own, and would further inflate the dollar if Uncle Sam foots the bill like Biden wants.
Education is not the same as intelligence.
@@TannerSwizel Again, he isn't dumb, he worded it very carefully and you bought it hook line and sinker. He did NOT say you had to double our electric grid demand. He said it would be double air conditioning. The plan is also to convert 50% of NEW CAR SALES, not all cars. It will be a small miracle if we can produce 8m EVs/year by 2030, much less replace 140m cars.
On top of that, even if it was double demand, that doesn't mean we have to double output. Go read up on the duck curve. You just need to balance load during the day and night and not only can you double the output, it's insanely cheaper to boot since you aren't running expensive peaker sources but big cheap efficient base load plants. Work needs to be done but there is no crisis. Adding air conditioning loads to the grid happened MUCH faster and was very difficult to support because it piled on top of the already peak loads. EVs make the grid better, cheaper and more stable.
@@gregb7353 six months a year my electric bill doubles due to A/C. So doubling just the A/C would mean my summer bill is quadrupled and the winter bill is tippled. Sucks,
25 times more than the refrigerator. I think a question was missed: "And do you actually think the average American will be able to afford this electric bill?"
The Butte argument will be that the money saved on gasoline will offset the higher electric bill. The MUCH bigger issue is the impossibility of upgrading our transmission/distribution grid to the point it can handle all of this new load in the ridiculously short time period being pushed by the moron in charge.
Its not 25x or 50x He's making up the numbers. You bought them without running the numbers yourself. Its how politicians mislead the public.
This point is not valid. You will pay less on your electric bill than you would in gas. It's a cost savings for the households that choose to do it.
Unless of course the grid falls behind and the cost of electricity skyrockets and nobody can afford electricity for anything anymore. Then this is a valid point. And that is a valid possibility if we let Democrats rule the world.
25% is one quarter, not 25 times.
@@jwil4905 To convert the car fleet to al electric will take 15-20 years *if* all new vehicle sales were electric starting today. How is that a ridiculously short time frame? In addition the goal is 50% new vehicle sales electric by 2035 which means we have at least 40 years before the grid upgrades need to be complete.
Massie grandstanding and saying the US isn't as capable as other countries. Sad to see a Rep with so little faith in his own country. Could it be he is pandering?
You have to love that the people making the decisions have absolutely no idea what the numbers are. Their all-in and this technology is going to consume energy than gasoline run cars...... making electric also requires gasoline.
That’s why they were selected.
I watched a video a couple weeks ago where the guy was saying it only takes an additional 1 trillion KW of production to cover everyone driving an electric car.
It sounded good until you factor in that the whole idea is to move away from fossil fuels which would cut electric production by 4 trillion KW.
Also, to your point, it takes coke to make the steel needed for the cars as well as wind turbines. Coke comes from crude oil and coal. Not to mention all the extra materials like copper and lithium that have to be mined. Somehow that eludes greenies.
And they made that decision not understanding if people could actually afford all of it. It would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer devastating consequences. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
Right and i dont believe that how much electricity is being used is really the real issue here, its the african slave labor, the dismantlement of the US energy, while the East continues to increase theirs. Being big green will result in economic collaspe codependency on eastern dictators energy much like Western Europe.
Buttigieg was only selected for his position because he likes to have sex with men. He is not qualified to be secretary of transportation but he ticks a certain box for this administration.
This is what the people of the US need to understand before election. Excellent job Senator!
He's not a senator.
@@lovetitleist69 He should be
@@lovetitleist69 But he is a Congressman.
I love how “we prepare” to POS politicians is to mandate that someone else has to implement. This is what we get when ignorant lawyers run the world.
This is what we get when the ignorant comment on TH-cam forums.
I remember working for someone years ago, and how I was one who would always question HOW "WE" would complete a project with the inadequate resources we had and scheduling conflicts. I was told not to worry about that, the important thing was to land the contract.
After "WE" got the contract, I was TOLD "I" had to find the resources to fulfill the contract. It was no longer"we". 😒
WOW ! So much negativity. It is so easy to shoot down when people try to change the system . They are trying to go all electric. As the technology changes, batteries are going to get more effective and power industry will also change . They are trying to even use modular nuclear reactors . We need to get things moving . If in 2029 they do not have what they need , they can just delay the program. In the long run , if they can reduce the price of electric cars, then it will be a game changer . But we need to build up the infrastructure now and that is what they are trying to do.
@@rayRay-pw6gz It's one thing to focus on the infrastructure, it's another thing entirely to do that at the same time as they're trying to ban 60% of our production methods.
Replacing 60% of the United States electrical production (Combustion based energy). Is not a 10-15 year plan, it's an astronomical investment to take on, especially at a time where our economy is struggling.
@@Spytel1 when Elon Musk told the world he was going to build electric cars . All the experts in the automotive industry said he had no idea what he was trying to do . And here we are today with everybody trying to catch up to him. President John Kennedy told the world in 1963 , that we will put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. NASA was stunned ! We had a man walk on the moon in 1969. We may need to have the government step in an force the issue to change the power grid running operation.
My sense of hearing just switches off when Buttigieg starts to speak.
Spot on. I'd like to own an EV; probably will in several years; but technology and price need to catch up. Curious; for the millions that park on the street in a urban setting; or in an apartment complex; how is that "charge at home" going to work? It's not. Some may argue that while parking om the street never will; but that apartment complexes can work...vandalism to cut cords for the copper; or, vandalism to vehicles for sitting at the charger all night will be sure to happen.
Bleep EV's
Thank you. Someone with common sense. You know what else will be fun? Charging your electric car in the city streets when there is a blizzard and the streets get covered in 24+ inches of snow and electric cords running all over the sidewalls. What can go wrong? FEV's
That means those apartment complex will need to invest in that. I highly doubt they'll do it and if they do they will raise the prices on rent to offset the cost.
Also it will be easy for someone to vandalize them too
There are already commercial solutions that tap into the power going into the light posts running down the street. As they switch the streetlights to LED, the existing underground wiring can handle charging an EV or two. Vandalism? Well you would probably only cut that cable once, it's 240V ;). Plus Teslas have Sentry Mode which would capture any vandals on camera for easy prosecution.
@@kenfett7070 and you can’t charge when it’s too cold
Another inconvenient truth!
I'm always reminded of the old (1960s/1970s) kids show called Hobo Kelly where this friendly vagrant travels from city to city to teach kids about the value of "environmentalism." In one show she has kids bring trash and rubble to her special machine wherein kids put trash in and the machine spits out a shiny new toy. This is the mindset that today's environmentalists have, that they can just rid our nation of the lifeblood of its economy and replace it with something that will not come close to producing a better outcome.
And just think about how the electricity is generated.
That makes sense.
Gas muuhhhaaa
The same electricity that is used to refine gasoline. 1 gallon of gasoline refined from petroleum requires 5 kWhs of electricity from the grid. 5 kWhs of electricity put directly into an EV instead will give it 20 miles of range. So a gas car already has the emissions of an EV before it even starts up the engine and drives 1 foot just from the gasoline refinement alone.
@@flipadavis you're full of you know what. And you know it go wave you're banner somewhere else.
Ours is by hydro electric and solar. GG
My experience with electric cars is that they have fewer moving parts, fewer parts that need periodic replacement, fewer fluids, are more reliable and because of the instant torque of electric motors perform better than gas cars. And I LOVE big gas motors. My first car was a 1967 Cougar. I replaced the original 289 (which was seized - part of how I could afford the car) with a 351. I have had 2 mustangs (4.6L and 5.0L Coyote). I am restoring a 1969 Torino. It has a Ford Racing 427 and gets about 10 mpg. But I commute to and from work in an electric car because it just makes more sense for me and saves me money - that I can use to restore my Torino.
I would love to convert a 1956 T-Bird or old convertible Ford Falcon to electric. I think either of those would be very cool and an absolute blast to drive.
Some years ago a company converted a Tesla motor and inverter into a 350 drop in replacement (yes, not gonna help a Falcon)... 500hp/800ft-lbs of torque. Granted, you'd still have to deal with batteries and controllers... and a heck of a differential. Not my cup of tea, but interesting nonetheless
Check the demonstration between the Ford Lightning and the GMC Sierra on something as simple as towing a trailer for the advertised 264 mile range of the Ford Lightning. Pitifully, the Lightning had to turn back less than halfway and went back only able to complete 102 miles of the target 264 miles. But, kindly, the Sierra turned around and followed it back in case it needed to be towed as well. Pickups have 2 functions...towing and hauling...The Lightning failed miserably.
ford hasnt been know for quality in over 4 decades.. not sure why anyone was expecting success story out of htat. lol
Yeah imagine having to drive from jobsite to jobsite handling logistics. Or farm use...what a joke.
Finding courteous reader, DC power is not a renewable energy source this is a scientific fact this is why Nikola Tesla was able to deter an argument that DC power does not work,
@@NemrodhYarKemma Like that was a point
@@NemrodhYarKemma such BS. My 87 f150 runs like a top built well. My 2000 crown Vic is rock solid reliable. Ford is probably the best American car maker and they started declining once the EPA started cracking down on emissions garbage. Government overcomplicates everything making it more expensive and less reliable, always.
“Obviously, some of this gets outside of my lane…”. Finally, the wizard of South Bend said something truthful.
His bike lane that is... After all that's his crowning achievement as the mayor of the bustling metropolis South Bend, Indiana.
I'm English, but that turn of phrase made me LOL.
I wonder just what is this clown's lane!
@@Dreamhelmet Hershey Highway??!!! LOL!!!
@@Dreamhelmet Yeah, Pete is living in a fantasy world that threatens to take down the real world.
A very good conversation to have, with good rational points made on both sides (how often does this happen?). However, there is one flaw in the calculation here:
There is a difference between 50% of all new cars sold being electric (Biden's goal), and 50% of all cars in use by the population being electric. The first is a matter of car manufacturers switching over their production and of raw materials being sourced, which may indeed take until 2030 (some say maybe a little faster). For the second step, people would then need to dump their old gas cars and buy new electric cars, and that will take MUCH longer: Even if all newly produced cars would be electric right now (!), it might take 10-20 years until all cars used by the population is electric.
in other words, EVs are total nonsense
+ I don't want a ev. Over my dead body...
@@DynamicSeq what’s wrong with EVs? You can fill up your battery for $7-$10 instead of filling up your gas tank for $50 at least. Much less maintenance costs also, since there are simply fewer parts that can break. It is quieter when you drive it. What is not to like?
I don’t understand why some people feel like they are more of a man if their vehicle makes lots of noise and blows smoke into the air. What is your argument?
@@matthiasheymann The low price is temporary, when there is enough, You will be charged by the mile you drive..
2. And this is a big one..
You are just moving the pollution somewhere else, they are not better for the environment than gas cars.
All that lithium have to be mined somewhere..and trust me..they are not using ev's to haul that around..
3. I do not want to be in a wreck with all that lithium..
I work with high power lithium batteries and have witness their extremely violent reaction when a cell gets damaged..
4. I live up north where it gets to -40 and an ev would just not work here...loosing to much range just to keep the battery warm..
5.Have nothing to do with feeling "Like a man"..
I drive all over the us for work, and having to shut down for charging would just not work,,, Don't have time for that..
Not even that is just a fucking Dream that is all first of all who will be able to afford a fucking electric car, we have a financial crisis that in 15 or 20 year will fuck this country like never before, and we are dreaming about fucking electric cars, 2nd there is not enough resources to produce this fucking 5 0% is just a dream, not to mention Europe and even yes china with a billion people there, is just a dream, make a movie that shows that the united states have 100% electric car the fucking Democrats will be happy then....
An average family with two cars. What the heck USA? Please build train and other public transport infrastructure!
Big problem with this: Not everyone lives in a house. Many live in high rise apartment buildings....We gonna have a charge installed for every tenant?
Millions of people living in apartments don't have cars at all.
Yea I’m imagining a parking garage with cables laying absolutely everywhere
@@pastexpiration2160 In a lot parking garages, they do have charging parking spaces. That is more realistic than people trying to charge their cars on a city street where parking in front of your house is not a given. That is where you may find cable lying everywhere.
And electric cars don’t lose mulch charge sitting off, if at all that I know.
Yeah or the parking lot at your job will have a charger
I kept waiting for him to ask "And where is this electricity going to come from? How is this electricity going to be produced?"
Me too! Most important question!!!
It won't be solar or wind. You can bet on that.
@@madelainepetrin1430 I'm pretty sure Pete's answer would have been Unicorn Farts, liquidized rainbow's
By electricity of course- Joey Biden 2024
It's produced by imagination duh.
Massie should have pointed out that electricity to power electric vehicles comes from 88% non renewables.
Also that the rare earth minerals for batteries come primarily from China and that these batteries at end of life are huge blobs of toxicity.
Nope. Renewables are now 25%. And even if an EV ran on 100% coal it would still have less than half the emissions of a similar gas car. In fact 1 gallon of gasoline refined from petroleum requires 5 kWhs of electricity from the grid. 5 kWhs of electricity put directly into an EV instead will give it 20 miles of range. So a gas car already has the emissions of an EV before it even starts up the engine and drives 1 foot just from the gasoline refinement alone.
Well you pointed out the problem what is the solution? 88% from non renewables? No problem let's make a solar grid to initially supplement before it completely takes over the entire grid land totally eliminate fossil fuel deliveries.
@@flipadavis You have this completely wrong.
@@flipadavis Facts are difficult for the right wing MAGAT crowd.
@@goldenturd1155 You will have to elaborate. I have sources and facts on my side.
I love it when the biggest corporation on earth tells you what you have to buy from other smaller corporations when their products cost more, not to mention how much the charging stations will cost when 50% of the new cars will need them. I wonder how many of these legislators have invested in these companies??? Seems like there may be a slight conflict of interest.
In Sweden, I saw a study showing that if we were to change all (100%) cars on our roads today to electrical vehicles, they would only use about 8% of the total electricity usage. Also, the vast majority of the charging takes place during the night hours when the overall consumption is very low, actually it helps to balance the grid. This argument of the grid not being able to support electrical cars is a myth. At least in Sweden.
Its a myth everywhere. The vast majority of people will be charging at home during the night when there is low demand and an excess of electrical generation.
Vehicles only produce 15% of CO2 ... and not all vehicles can be EVs ... EVs production to end of life CO2 production is only a few % less ... even if it was 30% less (which it IS NOT) ... If the entire country converted to 100% EVs, you are looking, at best, at a 5% reduction in total CO2 produced in America ... the increase in CO2 production in ONE YEAR in China alone will be more than that reduction ... what Western countries do to reduce CO2 has almost NO EFFECT on the rising CO2 levels.
1) The US isn’t Sweden. 2)Massie later on also did the same calculations for plugging EV at night, it doesn’t hold true for the US as well. Science doesn’t compare apples with oranges.
@444Dragoncheese In what way is size significant?
@444Dragoncheese ???
Household electric vehicle charging will be done mostly at night, when solar power doesn't function and wind power is reduced. Therefore, the highest electricity demand will come when the (Green Technology) supply is at it's absolute lowest. The equation just doesn't work. Another factor that no one's thinking about is where is the money for road and highway maintenance will be coming from? Without the gas and fuel oil taxes, there will be no choice but to raise both your state and federal taxes to offset the shortfall. And guess what? With rising electricity rates (historically, they've always gone up) and those new taxes, electric vehicles will no longer be nearly as economical as they are now.
We call that a "Gotcha!" (Pay no attention to the wealthy political men behind the curtain.)
They are going to have electronic toll boths like the ipass system or a monitor in the car itself that charges a tax on a per mile basis. Maybe its linked to your bank account and you pay to drive on a daily basis. When your bank account is low but your car is charged you may not be able to drive to work because they will disable you car if you cant pay daily. You can extend a tax free loan to the government in the form of waiting to get a tax refund but they want their cash on demand.
Ever thought of batteries?
@@Alarix246
This was going to be my response as well. The idea would be to use solar to charge batteries which then charge the car. The problem in terrms of environmental impact is that current batteries (usually either lithium ion or lead-acis) are absolutely horrible for the environment. The other problem is that batteries wear out, especially if not used properly, which means that you need to replace them.
@@MasterChief0522 one of Musk's ex-directors now owns a battery recycling company and claims that batteries are 100% recyclable. Batteries also last longer, everything is gradually improving.
@@Alarix246 It's easy to paint a rosy or dystopian picture of the future, difficult to predict what reality will actually be.
Current circumstances are that batteries are horrible for the environment, wear out relatively quickly, and are EXPENSIVE.
Electricity ain't free, and the electrical system (grid + generation) is at its limits. The trend toward use of home solar is eating into power company income. That income needs to be made up. The easiest way is to hike electric rates and baseline service connection fees. I project that the cost to charge an electric vehicle will continue to rise for some time to come.
I project that increasing the rate of adoption of electric vehicles will only steepen the rate at which the cost to charge an electric vehicle climbs; demand goes up, supply remains constant, prices go wild. Alternatively, increasing supply costs a lot of money. Costs + markup will be passed on to consumers. Again, steep price hikes.
Adoption of electric vehicles will almost certainly stall if the cost to power an electric vehicle exceeds the cost to power a gasoline-powered car.
But I'm pontificating while standing upon a platform of ignorance. I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again. I wouldn't mind at all if the future were to prove me an absolute fool.
Here is San Diego, we pay the highest electric rates in the country. I can assure you that AC takes up a whole lot more than 17% of our electrical bill, even when averaged out over the whole year. If you can't afford solar panels on your roof, God help you for those summer time electric bills. Talking hundreds of dollars a month. Now add an electric car, which will get charged a the top tier rates, and you are screwed! The only thing that will save you is when the power grid will inevitably fail with all the increased demand all at once. These Democrats love to make policy in a vacuum. They aren't even the smallest bit realistic. They just want to check off those boxes to make their clueless base happy.
So true. Before Grey Davis got elected and jacked things up back in 2000, CA had an energy surplus of about 2 gigawatts. Unreal.
And they don't have to live with their mandates anyway. They will still be chauffered around in their gas guzzling SUBs and limousines, whose fuel we pay for. We probably pay their utility bills too.
Why would an electric car get charged at top tier rates? EVs can be set to charge when rates are lowest.
Good thing I don't drive my refrigerator to work.
You know how you could theoretically generate all that extra electricity?
Nuclear power.
Bring back the era of the atom. Nuclear is the answer to almost infinite clean energy. But America feels more inclined to dismantle nuclear power plants than it is to building new ones.
@@administratorwsv8105 Chernobyl 💀
@@Fallon755 honestly a good point we really cant trust our gov to be competent when doing anything, maybey the problem lies somewhere else...
@@mastr-sf1jv First of all no. It's not a good point. Chernobyl happened because some idiot did exactly the worst possible situation manually. Everything is automated now. Also, nuclear reactors aren't pressurized anymore. Chernobyl is physically impossible. Literally physically impossible. Let me say it a third time. It is more likely that the sun instantly becomes a giant dog in the sky then a nonpressurized nuclear reactor to explode.
Third, we have a bunch of nuclear reactors in the U.S. They are perfectly safe. They are not always the best option depending on location and water usage, but they are perfectly safe.
@@Fallon755 the disaster that happened like almost 4 decades ago where safety precautions were not the utmost priority? The last nuclear plant meltdown happened in 2011 in japan and it was because of an earthquake turned to tsunami
"Do you think the grid will be ready by 2030?"
"It's going to NEED to be."
The old bleeding-heart Democrat line has NEVER changed: "We know what's best for you, so shut up and do it, slaves."
Caught that gem too. Did not answer the question.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions
Except many of ours (road to hell) have potholes, too!! 🤣😭
More Like "we need to pass it to see what's in it"
sooo you dont think improving the energy grid is a good think for Americans?? Really??
You think its perfect the way it is?? hahaha
Dude never listened to the answer. Pete said it, it's not ready right now so we have to do something. The point of goals is to get things done. Have ambitious goals and get lots done.
Doing something means R&D, not deploy first find solutions later.
Pete is a knucklehead. Can't change and won't try as he is so arrogant about his own infallibility. Gavin Newsome is in the same boat. We don't have enough electricity now in California but we are banning gas stoves in new construction and mandating electric cars. The only large infrastructure project is for an electric train no one will use. We have removed Hydro and Nuclear plants while demand increases. When this comes home to roost l hope people remember they voted for this.
The guy made no points he just threw out random stats and tried to deliver rehearsed one liners for Twitter clips. The “electric cars require 50x more energy than a refrigerator” line is completely useless for analyzing the situation. The cost of recharging a battery for EVs is much cheaper than gas even before the price spikes and as technology improves that trend will only continue. Improving the electrical grid has been done time and time again as electrical demand has increased, don’t know why that would suddenly stop. Some politicians just want to retard innovation.
It is ready right now. They don't bring up the grid is under much less load at night when cars charge and you don't need to charge a car everynight. I charge my Tesla model once every 3 or 4 nights. I am now spending 5x less or better on "fuel" than a gas car.
Tomfoolery
I bought an EV, then put solar on my roof.
My draw from the grid is now negative when annualized.
The Representative should understand that he's asking the wrong questions, and I think he actually knows that he is.
The only way to achieve this goal is to convert every coal plant and gas plant into a nuke plant. Even then, my apartments that I’ve owned over the past decade, not one of them has had charging stations. I lived in Minneapolis and Denver, two huge metropolis cities that insist on going “green” as much as possible. I work in the industry, specifically at a gas fired power plant. The EPA restrictions make the pollution that they’re so afraid of next to non-existent. If you want green, the only option is nuclear.
I agree, having spent 30 years in the commercial nuclear field. But it takes about 14 years to build a nuke plant of approximately 1000 me. 2030 is way to soon.
@@jaimeharrington749 yup. It’s quite frightening that people think it’s perfectly fine to shut down all plants running on fossil fuels right now because they think solar and wind can pick up the slack.
A better cleaner option would be nuclear Fusion.
Yes the technology isn't quite there yet but there are close.
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This would give us abundant clean energy, no need to deal with nuclear waste.
The only problem with nuclear power station is why that particular technology is favoured?
Could it be because of elements being made for nuclear energy have alternative uses??
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If we get rid of nuclear and go fusion then the "alternative" nuclear Market would also have to change ...
@@jaimeharrington749 I suspect it would take until 2030 to get the licensing and permitting complete to build a nuclear power station. Shortly after I got out of college 50 years ago I interviewed at both Chicago bridge & Iron and Babcock & Wilcox. I saw the resistance and so said no thank you as many fabrication facilities shut down. I thank you for your service.c I retired in a European town with two RBMK reactors that were decommisioned during the first 5 years I was here. Simply amazing to explore the guts of a nuclear plant that never leaked, exploded or failed during a 23 year life.
I don't think "convert" is the word you want here. You don't switch a few things around and go from gas to nuke. You tear down the old plant and build a completely new one.
"You can't buy a pool if you don't have neither the land to put the pool nor the water to fill it". The response: "If we think like that, we will never have those beautiful swimming pools we all want". Nah, that's not how you do things.
Only this is worse. Because buttagig says they will use less energy with electric cars. This is absolutely false due to the fact that it requires an extra energy conversion between the fuel source and the work being done.
Additionally, what does he think is going to power his grid and what materials will be required to supply that power? It’s all such a scam!
Is that a metaphor for Pete’s argument? He’s not asking you to dream about new electrical infrastructure; he tried to explain how they’re working with the DOE to build that infrastructure but didn’t get a chance to explain the process before this walking Fox News commercial interrupted him. Dude shouldn’t have come at an English major with that weak argument that was based on fallacies.
@@andrewdorie4010 it isn’t going to happen. Especially not in under 7 years.
@@andrewdorie4010 Yeah, that English major is really going to help solve our lack of energy production and distribution. You would think having somebody that has a fucking clue how energy is produced, transmitted, and used to do his job would be a good idea, but no, English major is far better, clearly.
@@cactiguide I don't know enough about the issue to disagree with you. I just think Pete won the argument from a rhetorical/political perspective. He answered all of the questions directly, didn't seem caught off guard with questions that sounded, to me, like they were meant to make him look like he wasn't prepared to answer them, and he stayed on topic while the other dude gradually seemed to grow frustrated, started to interrupt him, and ended up seeming a bit flustered. That's all. I just appreciate Pete sometimes because I think he's one of the few politicians who doesn't pivot away from questions and always seems prepared to discuss most topics. That's not to say I believe in any of these politicians. I don't.
I want to here the question “where is all this “electricity” going to come from?” Let me guess 🤔 coal and oil I presume? Yes and natural gas. Oh while we're at it let's make everything from plastic. We can just plant more plastic plants. Boom renewable!
Yes most of our electricity comes from natural gas, which is a fossil fuel.
@@redshield3296 Which burns cleaner than coal or oil. And we get 19% from nuclear and 20% from renewables.
ok hear me out though...
1: 2030 is hilariously optimistic, I do not support this in the slightest.
2: You cannot make gasoline cars run on nuclear power, pumped hydro, and solar/wind power. Electric vehicles can.
3: An investment into renewable (or less harmful) power would make a switch to electric vehicles feasible. It is likely that nuclear reactors combined with pumped hydro could make this feasibly work, just not on such a short timescale.
3*: According to my research for a paper on the topic of electrical power infrastructure, nuclear power is, on average, about 700-740x less *directly* harmful than hydrocarbons. Indirectly, the difference is even higher due to pollution and environmental effects, though I cannot quantify it without making assumptions, so I did not account for it in my paper.
3*: We don't have enough fancy minerals to replace our gasoline cars with EVs, it is much more viable to use this on something like public transport.
Tldr; if people weren't irrationally scared of nuclear power then that electricity could come with minimal environmental harm, making EVs more viable. As of right now spooky reactor go brrrr so coal it is. (we still need gas power plants as they can ramp up production immediately from spikes in energy demand whereas coal can be easily replaced by nuclear power. )
@@redshield3296 @Jason Paul
A good chunk of our fossil fuel power comes from a baseline of coal, which cannot be ramped up or down quickly. We use natural gas during times of peak demand as we can ramp it up and down quickly. It would not be difficult to replace nearly all of our coal plants with nuclear power, as it fills the same role in our energy infrastructure.
@@redshield3296 Actually most electricity comes from Coal. Which is ironic considering how bad it is for the climate. The cleanest energy today, is nuclear if using todays technology. It is also the best for the climate.
Charging cars at night won't affect the grid at all.
Turning on your air cond only at night would be problematic.