I like how politicians have to debate the efficacy of something which engineers can simply calculate. Its a no-brainer that the people in charge of this should not be in charge.
This is such bull. First who can afford the car and your electric bill would be out of sight. The electric car also does not do well in the winter if you live in a northern state. Also, why is the filthy rich Al Gore married to a Heinz Ketchup heiress flying all over in a private jet spewing toxic fumes and preying on people to buy electric cars? One of the biggest lying self serving hypocrites still around. He will get his, hopefully sooner than later. Despicable lying POS.
At least someone got it. One side is saying 50% of NEW sales and the other is trying to say how hard it is for half of ALL CARS. Like bro, that’s so far off
Also: If you have your own driveway you can charge overnight, when electricity demand is really low & utilities ought to be able to offer lower prices.
Exactly. I know almost no one who's ever even owned a new car, and I never will. When reliable used electric vehicles reach a feasible price for a normal guy, I'll absolutely drive one to work, errands, etc. I'm an avid hot-rodder and motorcyclist, and I'll never ride an electric motorcycle nor be without at least one V8 in my fleet. Combustion engines will never go away, and they don't have to. They just need to become special-occasion cars, which they will regardless of what anyone thinks or feels when fuel costs and cheap renewable electrical energy price them out of daily use for normal people. As for industrial equipment, planes, and ships, I doubt they'll EVER go away.
@@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney Have you bothered to look at used EVs? Check out Autotrader, craigslist, etc. There are tons of used EVs out there. I bought my used '19 eGolf for $23k at the peak of the stupid overpriced used car market a few years back, which is the same price as a used '19 GTi. It's been a great daily driver kinda car. The range is limited, but I have another car for road trips anyway. It's fine for local daily driving. That same car is now like $15k used with 30k miles on it.... and it's still under EV battery warranty for another 4 years and 60k miles. You can find early model year Leafs for under $5k these days, but range is super limited... sometimes under 50 miles for that price. The point is, the price range. As newer EVs come out with more range, more do-dads, more power, and such, the more it presses down on the used car prices. You can get a used Tesla Model 3 for $25k still under warranty these days, and there is a $4k used car credit on top of that.
He's sorta got a point tho, electricity prices are going up, electric cars will only increase that. Not to say electric cars are bad but it's certainly something I don't hear people talking about.
@@dxtrum not 100% true. There are studies showing that ev adoption has lower the cost of generating electricity. This is because of load distribution. If you charge your car at night, then you're giving peaker plants only turned on during the days something to do as opposed to just sitting around doing nothing. Starts and stops are fairly expensive and resources intensive for power plants, so decreasing the number of times that has to happen is beneficial.
Air conditioning started becoming popular in 1950 because the price to acquire one for a regular household had dropped significantly.... But it took nearly 30 years (1977) before all new homes started getting them by default. There was a long grace period for power companies to expand and upgrade infrastructure. Regardless of anyone's opinion on EVs, our electrical infrastructure needs to be upgraded and better maintained. The main issue everyone fails to account for though is the electricity being produced has to match the electricity being consumed. Fun little fact: in UK during a soccer match, if someone scores, enough people go turn on their kettles that the power companies are forced to watch the game and crank electricity production to prevent voltages plummeting or blackout from occuring.
I’m confused. He said “50% of new car sales should be EVs”, and he keeps arguing as if the half of US would suddenly be comprised of households that will have 2x EVs.
And nothing will stop the power company from increasing your bill 4x either. I seem to recall replacing 60w bulbs with CFLs and LEDs that use 12w along with more efficient appliances and HVAC, yet while my consumption has been reduced, I’ve never seen the savings from it.
@@insaneiaqhaha this is the stupidest argument ever. First of all if they change the power prices then you’ll be screwed too because even without an EV you still use electricity so your bill will go up ! Secondly I use solar and charge for free so I control when it cost me money to charge or not. And lastly the very argument of how suppliers can change the cost of fuel is 100% petrol powered cars. The price to fill your car up changes from week to week based on what the companies want to charge you. You’re 100% at their mercy now. My power plan means the cost to charge is the same no matter what week it is. The rate is the same - no fluctuating from week to week - unless you drill your own oil - you rely on them. I rely on the sun !
but when you add the ridiculous cost you spent vs a comparable gas car you could have bought 140k miles of gas before you start saving money, and that doesn't include a dime for your extra power bill. A 2018 tesla3 long range vs a 2018 loaded camry that gets 30mpg cost the tesla owner 18.5k extra if they got the full government rebate in 2018. So until your electric car is out of warranty and over 125k miles you havent saved a penny. stop lying to yourself. Electric cars cost so much more then gas that by the time you break even on what the gas would have cost you its time for a new car or a trade in before the battery fails. I owned 2 prius's so im speaking from experience. by the time i saved the 4-5k i spent by not buying a corolla it was time to trade in my 2005 for a 2012......after the second prius i did the math and realized it was a complete shell game and i didnt save a dime. plus i burdened the world with 2 more wasted nickel cadmium used up batteries. We are being lied to .....the only difference is some people choose to believe the lies to feel better about themselves and some are honest.
How hard is it to understand that not every household buys a new car every year. They are talking about new car sales, not every car that exist on America’s roads.
They know exactly what they're doing. It's just political gaslighting because they're shilling for the oil lobbyists. It's all crocodile tears and hysterics in public in order to pander to that crowd. In private they sing a different tune...the guy said it himself...he's bullish on new tech and has had an EV and solar panels for 10 years.
@@Mastermindyoung14 If they let people harvest their own energy and sell excess to the grid, it's not that much more than what it can currently handle. Regardless, upgrades are still needed because of how climate change and population growth are stressing the system already. May as well future proof it while you can, because weening ourselves off fossil fuels is absolutely necessary for the long haul.
@@jenkem4464 unfortunately, we need storage. In California, for instance, there is actually too much solar. The electric company no longer wants your excess during the day. But at night…
Actually charging a Tesla with 220 volts will use more power than all of the appliances, electric stove and air conditioning in a day. 50 amps at 220volts=11,000 watts. 44 miles per hour charging travel distance.($11=132 miles). My 4 banger puddle jumper cost the same with the A/C or heat on. Have not got rid of the 2003 5000lb behemoth. Sometimes I need to haul 8 or 12 50lb bags and keep them dry. And my service struggles with NO A/C on. Summer and winter. Gas heat and stove. Might be why I have a 12KW generator. And no electric car. Butti Buddy does not do things like that. Might break a nail.
Absolutely astonishing that this Congressman thinks he stumbled on some kind of slam dunk by comparing electric cars to refrigerators. Seriously, what on earth.
He's intelligent and knows whats going on, but like a politician-and especially a GOP politician-he loves to go for these gotcha questions that fall apart under actual scrutiny. This is a 'made for old people to share on facebook' confrontation, just like everything the GOP says. They have terrible policies and dont care about governing, so they have to antagonize to get votes. They're the most unserious people.
@@statelypenguinMassey is comparing apples and oranges. My car is charges off of a 50Amp service, much the same as my houses's electric furnace, not my refrigerator. Massey has solar panels and a massive EV battery in his home, so basically his Republican messages do as I say not as I do! No serious person is arguing that we should not upgrade our electrical infrastructure! Messy is not being serious here he is espousing the misinformation. We had infrastructure problems long before we had electrical cars! It's old and decrepit. The Biden administration is trying to do something about that while the Trump administration wants to end all upgrades. The electrical grid is an engineering problem and it will take an engineering solution to solve it, but we know the answers already just have to have the want to.
It's quantifiable. This is an appropriate way of making a comparison between the potential energy demands. It would be more appropriate if he pointed out that refrigerators are only a small fraction of existing household electricity usage
I’m confused is electricity all of the sudden free? If you still have to pay for the electric to run you everyday house hold items, and then add electric vehicles to the mix essentially quadrupling the amount of electric you use, isn’t your electric bill also going to increase by 4 times? th-cam.com/users/shortsYynL5WKKqCw?si=E9UBGtSeguvV2pH-
@Kat Thomas A friend of mine sometimes gets credit on his bill for excess, but it's nowhere near what you say you get. And of course, he has to pay when the sun doesn't shine for a few days.
that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
Been driving electric for 6 years now. California just took AWAY my incentive to charge at night by removing "super off-peak" rates in the middle of the night. Now costs the same to charge at 2am as it does at 2pm 🤬
@@AlexMckenzieCalifornia has a huge spike in production between 9:00-3:00 because of the wide adoption of solar in the state. To the point that the grid potentially could have problems in the disparity when the sun goes down. It wouldn’t make sense to incentivize night charging with this being the case
Adoption means 'new car sales' - but the replacement rate for cars is something like 5%-10% / year - so, even if all new cars sold are fully electric, it would still take 10 - 20 years for the whole domestic car fleet to become electric...
Yes but people will be resisting this so the rate will change as ppl use more used cars. In a democracy majority of people would vote to keep selling gas cars. Fact.
Takes the government 5 years to re-pave 5 miles of hwy. How long will it take the government to add 4X as many coal and nuclear power plants? Cali can't even keep up with the current usage, now multiply that by 10X in 8 years? EV cars last about 10-12 years before needing a new battery that cost $20K. How big will the EV car landfill be?
@potcommitted5355 I agree with you for not waiting for the government. We need to install solar on all of ours properties as soon as possible. We need to stop just using ev and start just buying tesla specifically because they have a better thermal management system to extend their battery life. Multiple small businesses are installing old tesla car battery for the home. Hopefully we can push the government to shutdown all of their crap. Do like the people in Texas and buy more solar and battery for the home.
Green Energy is not about individual energy independence, it's about specific interests profiting from it. Case in point, a neighbor of mine, an engineer by trade, built a homemade windmill and placed it on the roof of his home to draw in free electricity. The system was well designed and safe. He even posted videos of it on YT (which have since been removed). Over time as interest grew, the township became involved and forced him to remove it, claiming eyesores and various hazards. Goes to show you that everything's cool until someone creates a system INDEPENDENT of corporate and political interests, then they gang-up and squash the little guy.
"free electricity" lol, if you only knew how many megawatthours he could've paid for the same price and how little electricity he was actually pulling. Statistics in Europe show windmills output between 1 and 3 percent of their theoretical max power per year on average. And frankly just building a giant windmill by yourself in your garden does not sound exactly safe or legal either. It's not a freaking conspiracy.
they hate that. solar powerand green energy, like the dpt of education - is an entorely corrupt democrat girft to take tax payer dollars. they subsidize the panels - with tax payer money - pay themselves huge salary, and when the company goes broke they dont even care. its just an excuse to pad their pockets. anything with an unlimited subsidy is democrats stealing money.
I remember when about 10 years ago, a city in Indiana decided to have their entire fleet of vehicles (police cars, fire trucks, public works, etc.) - just over 400 of them, switch to run purely on ethanol because that could be produced easily form all the corn grown in that state. So, the city bought all these brand-new vehicles that GM made to run purely on ethanol and after they were delivered, the city realized that the closest ethanol refinery and storage facility was over 400 miles away and the vehicle cold be used until some large tanks were installed closer to the city yard. This is the kind of stuff the politicians do - don't think ahead.
You have to have a Plan. OK, Before we get the cars, Where does the People get fuel at? How far is the closes tank. Or on electric Cars, How long does a charge last, how many charging sites we need. What is the closes one to our parking lot. Like buying a bunch of cows and not having a farm to put them on. Like there is some town that don't have any electric plug in for Electric cars. England had Police driving Electric cars that ran out of charge while heading to a emergency call.
@@yayee7625 --- not as simple as that. the usa is not like a country such as norway. norway for example has one main city - oslo. which is not a terrible large city and it is a country flush with money from it's natural resources. it has no problem selling it's gas and oil. the usa on the other hand is dramatically vast and with some of the worlds largest cities and population and with an antiquated power grid within some of these cities. charleston comes to mind. norway's power lines within oslo is not as antiquated as many cities in the USA. and lastly.... consumers need to be ready for a tremendous increase in electrical costs to upgrade some of these lines as the Feds - unlike Norway.... is broke.
This demagogue Massey deliberately picked one of the LEAST power consumptive appliances in the house, namely a refrigerator which only consumes around 200W or so. But if he had picked a blow dryer (1.5 kW) or an air conditioner (3-4kW) or an electric range (3-5kW @ 240v) then the comparison with a car charger is far closer in magnitude. He's just playing to his ignorant base.
@444Dragoncheese All he had to do to explain to average Americans was to list common electrical appliances and their power requirements, like this: incandescent light bulb: 60W/100W, refrigerator: 200W, washer: 200W dryer (gas): 200W, dryer (electric): 2-5 kW, blow dryer: 1.5kW, A/C: 3-4 kW, 240v electric cooktop: 3-4kW (depending on # burners used), car charger: 6kW. THAT'S how a NON-DEMAGOGUE would phrase it so an average American can understand it.
@444Dragoncheese Yes I DID have trouble understanding it, until I put my power meter on my own appliances and measured them and I discovered he was deceiving the country. EV chargers are NOT A STRETCH AT ALL. An honest person would just list all the power numbers, as I did above, whereas a DISHONEST person will pick one fairly low-power appliance (just above a light bulb), to try to con people into thinking it is representative of all electrical appliances in the home (which it is NOT).
@444Dragoncheese First of all, do you know what instantaneous power is? Power is instantaneous, like velocity. There's NO SUCH THING as kW "per year," only kW-HOURS per year. kW-h is the integral of kW (it's a measure of WORK/ENERGY, like Joules) and kW is the time derivative of kW-h.
@444Dragoncheese No, your point doesn't stand because the comparison is still deceptive. You have to compare EV charger power consumption against ALL household appliances CURRENTLY BEING USED (WITH NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER!). And that's exactly what I did (above) and it's what Massie did NOT do. It doesn't matter whether someone out there has or does not have AC or a blow dryer of an electric coooktop, the fact is these are ALL in current use and are not any more of a problem than an EV charger would be.
A similar situation happened here in Sri Lanka with chemical fertilizers recently. The government imposed a 100% ban on chemical fertilizers when the country wasn't ready to go 100% natural. As a result, we're now facing massive food shortages. Politicians in general have no clue on how to accomplish something like this rationally.
Honestly pesticides and fertilizers have heavy metals in them that cause autism and school shooting in america. Banning those are good, but like always you cant just do it overnight, needs to be slow.
Also, why compare to a fridge instead of another electronic device? An EV will use 1500-1800 W, just like a space heater, or hair dryer, or gaming PC, or crypto rig, or a good surround sound system, or a hot tub (which some people leave running all year), etc.
@@sinclairalIt’s not half a degree it’s 1.8 degrees F. that also means more forest fires, flooding, more frequent hurricanes, problems with farming, I could go on. My boomer grandparents and gen X parents won’t have to worry about it but I sure as hell will.
Nah in this case that would not work. The Anti EV propagandist are motivated way beyond just being paid. It's also just a cult people are willing to serve for no financial payout.
As an engineer, if you do not set a goal, you will never get there. if you set a goal, you may miss a deadline, but you reach your objective a lot quicker. Whenever you set a time limit 'realistically' you are jsut like the student with a report due, you wait until the last moment, then write it. If you make the timeliness close enough, it is obvious you can not wait a day before starting to work on it. If you start working on it, you finish sooner. yes, it IS the job of politicians to set goals, and then to provide resources to the people who get it done. Look at NASA. they commonly have delays, but they still make progress and get to their goals.
I agree. While watching this video I kept thinking how important it is to set lofty goals. This applies in so many areas, even sports. Every time I run a 5k, I set an aggressive goal, which motivates me!
That makes sense. How about the fact that extracting Lithium is toxic to wildlife...? Carbon can be extracted even reduced as ICE cars have shown...Carbon is easier to clean than byproducts from Lithium extraction.
The Goal of a competent administration should have been to have an Electric Grid capable of 50% Electric Vehicles by 2030 and 100% by 2035. Attempting to create additional Demand before you can handle enough Supply is idiotic at best. Additionally whenever they talk about cost of energy being cheaper with electric they are referring to current electric rates. Building a Power Production & Grid of that magnitude will be a massive expense which will either have to be paid for in Taxes if Federally Funded or in an Increase in Rate for Electricity if Privately Funded. Show me the math on the cost of upgrading the grid factored into the cost of operating an electric vehicle. The fact that they haven’t even acknowledged what this will cost should be incredibly alarming for anyone.
Upgrading the grid wouldn't cause the price of electricity to go up. The costs of infrastructure are amortised over time in the price of electricity. That's how the current infrastructure works and there's no reason that new infrastructure would be more expensive.
@@programmer1840 A massive increase in infrastructure would require an increase in electric rate to pay off. This happens with our current grid. My own electricity rates just went up to pay for large damage/repairs caused by an ice storm last winter. The consumer pays for it one way or another, wether that’s taxes or rate.
And we will need all the fossil fuels available to do all this upgrading of the electrical power grid. These people are denser than a solid 20 by 20piece of cobalt steal.
@@sethrich5998 fair enough. In my country, it saves about 70% costs per mile compared to petrol cars. The cost of infrastructure on the energy bill is about 4%, so the benefits outweigh the downsides.
@@programmer1840 If you don’t mind what Country is it? The US can’t really be compared to most other countries in that regard. Reason being is land mass. Most other Countries have small land mass with dense populations. This massively eases the individual cost of infrastructure. The US has large amounts of rural area which creates huge increase in cost for expanding infrastructure. Even after you solve Power Production, the Power Transmission is a major issue. That’s not saying we shouldn’t be investing in upgrading the grid, but that needs to come before the cars. And so far no one has presented what that will cost to the taxpayer/consumer.
FPUA just doubled their rates without any warning! There’s a nuclear plant, and the largest solar farm in Florida in the county. They blamed it on “the price of natural gas doubling “ although there is NO gas burning generators here. Of course, there street lights on in the daytime, and I watched them spend two days, with 13 trucks (with engines running the whole time) and over 20 employees to move a telephone pole four feet instead of just cutting down the palm tree that caused the move.
Electricity is already more expensive than natural gas. It's hilarious to me people like Buttigug think there is enough "energy" provided by solar and wind to power our nations grids. And they never talk about the service upgrades that will have to happen to peoples homes in order to charge their EV - unless they want to wait for 48 hours or more to charge it. Thank God this BS is just an executive order that can be reversed when a Conservative takes office.
Refrigerators are one of the most efficient appliances. There is a reason why the preferred way to charge electric cars is a 50 amp circuit. You might as well be arc welding 6 hours a day.
We should be welding for six hours a day, so that we can build something better than those pathetic tin can electric cars that run off power from burning coal and oil... How about we all do hydrogen... sounds like a good idea to me...
"It's going to need to be". Classic upper management answer for a problem they have no ability to solve or even comprehend the enormity of the problem themselves.
@@model_number_band If electric is the way it’s a cleaner energy than fine, but the way this guy says it as he makes it sound like it is a problem we have that he thinks needs to be fixed but he doesn’t want to fix himself but wants to continue to encourage. It’s kind of like saying that someone is totally for some great social cause, but will just say that they agree with its message and then they just won’t do anything about it at all. That’s what he sounds like. It’s “we should do this but I don’t know how exactly, and we should try to do it in 8 years”
I give Pete nothing but the ‘Stupid’ Award bc the Green New 💩 Deal will not work. I’ve paid attention and have listened to the authorities on the matter-this plan is purely psychotic !!
I mean, to the question of will the grid be ready by 2030, the answer should have been a straight up no. If government is involved in those upgrades the grid won't be ready until 2130. So he loses points on that in my book.
I was thinking the same thing. The questioning of law enforcement officials goes so much differently. Why isn't this guy answering every question with "I don't have that information", or "I will have to look into that"? Almost as if the heads of law enforcement/government don't want us to know about all the illegal/unconstitutional shit they are doing.
As a former distribution engineer for an electric utility, I went into a DOE national lab to help keep sanity in the mix. I did see, frustratingly, that the lawyers and polisci folks push me aside and taught a complete line of BS (to the state PUC staffers).
@@b.w.1386 Here are the basics. As things currently stand, 2/3's of the US is at or near capacity for their electrical usage, so that they are at risk of experiencing rolling blackouts at some point during the year. According to this video, and other estimates I have seen, an average household uses 890 kWh of electricity per month and a single electric car adds on average (depends on how many miles you drive) about 282 kWh of monthly energy usage. This is a 33% increase for one car. So the point of the video is if we mandate every family get an electric car by 2030 and effectively increase energy consumption by 25% (assuming a portion of the families already have an electric car), then we are going to be in trouble. The sad part of all this is that we used to have more reliable energy capacity in this country when we used coal to help us. But now, coal, oil and natural gas are all evil, and the "green energy" ideas just aren't reliable enough energy (nor large enough) to make up the difference. Probably the real solution to all of this is nuclear energy (which is how Europe makes up the gap), but no one want to talk about that in the USA.
@@RS-tz2zn i agree with the nuclear energy recommendation. Just wanted to clarify that the 2030-35 is just a goal for adoption of new cars that are manufactured or sold that year, its not feasible that 50% of the country could switch to new cars in 8 years.
Having designed power line upgrades for power companies for 20 years, I can tell you this: the customer is going to pay through the nose for the upgrades needed for all these electric vehicles.
@@brobrio what do you think we have now? Public schools, food stamps, welfare, roads/infrastructure are all examples of socialist programs. That's why we pay taxes. If we didn't have a hybrid system, we wouldn't pay taxes we would simple have to set up a system so we could pay for all of these services when we used them.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket industry refuses to compete? Do you know how expensive copper cable is? Do you realize the amount of cable needed, at a larger gauge btw to carry all that current? Now you want tax payers to foot the bill? Jesus christ, you libs won't be happy until we are all working for nothing but the tax bill. Look, you want windmills and solar and free this and that, move somewhere that already offers it.
The sad thing is how we, as a society, always have an "all or nothing" mentality. There are good points about gas cars. And electric cars. And hydrogen cars. Give people a choice and this will work out. Force people down one road, so to speak, and many will rebel.
@@puregrit8057 yes, of course ev charging infrastructure would need to be expanded, but where d'ya think all of the green/ZE energy will come from!? C'mon, man!! 🤣
There are no good points about hydrogen cars right now. It's less economically efficient, it's less environmentally efficient, it's less convenient. Until there is a revolutionary change in technology, hydrogen powered vehicles are a non-starter.
@@puregrit8057 I've seen this post before and I believe it was by you. This is pure BS what you're saying, Pete Buttplug talks about wants and needs, but I've seen nothing done on increasing or bettering the grid. Oh my, they've made a new government office on the problem, golly, all our problems are solved, what BS. The politician should have asked where are these improvements going on right now, because they aren't. Besides that the amount of material just to produce batteries for these cars is staggering. So here''s some facts instead of pipe dreams like Pete has. When more hydro power projects are talked about, people like the Sierra club and tree huggers scream their heads off and defeat any measure to do that. Such as California who could easily create some there. Electric cars....If you love strip mining, you'll love what it takes to do electric cars. For every Tesla sized car it takes the following - 22 lbs of lithium 75 lbs of nickel 45 lbs. of copper Trucks and anything bigger will require more, much more. The lithium supply in the world. - 80% in Australia, followed by 15% in China and about 2 % in the US. Now when you add up all vehicles in the US being electric, you will exhaust the supply of lithium alone. What's the rest of the world going to do??? We aren't there yet to just give up oil, and you're going to love waiting for your car to charge. Oh, and I forgot about all those "charging stations" and how much copper they will require. Now what do you think???
@@puregrit8057 That’s hilarious. I have serious doubts that the government will do anything anytime soon, to upgrade the electric grid….that is what needs to happen, and then we still have to talk about the need for economic and cleaner energy before it all becomes viable. Your current government idiots just want it to happen, without regard to what it will cost We The People and also whether or not the people even want it. -most don’t.
'100% of car sales by 2035' is too slow adaption if anything. It'll take another 20 years beyond that to replace the existing fleet. Having 30 years to marginally increase the grid capacity is quite generous.
That goal of 2035 is for 50% of passenger vehicles. That doesn't include a lot of vehicles. But it will make a dent in lowering the amount of pollution.
The thing that boggles my mind the most with these people who are obsessed with going green and driving EV is that they never seem to promote or push the idea of expanding our nuclear energy capabilities at home either.
In time they will because that is the entire point of electric cars. They are waiting until there is no turning back. Then they will have to build more nuclear plants. FYI there is only 1 company capable of building nuclear power plants in the USA. It is TerraPower, owned completely and solely by William Gates. Now you now the rest of the story.
What gets me they are not being honest about an electric car. The cost of maintenance etc. Check the price of a new battery with installation . Going green is not for me or my budget.
I'm an environmentalist and I always emphasize nuclear as part of a diversified energy portfolio for our country. Depends on different regions of the country, their strengths and weaknesses.
When I go to fill my car up, sometimes there is a wait, maybe 10 minutes before it's my turn. Can you imagine how long the wait line will be if it takes over an hour to charge an EV?
Its a democrat idea, and they are incapable of thinking that far into any plan. Or put another way, have you ever met a democrat with a lick of common sense?
They haven't been able to fix CA's electric grid in years, they still have brown and blackouts regularly in the heat of the summer; imagine if they all had 2 electric cars.
California had a massive surplus of energy in 2000, around 2 gigawatts I believe. Then Grey Davis and the democratics went on a massive campaign and shut down all of the nuclear plants, except for Diablo canyon, which is in Newsom's sights to get shut down.
Trash to electricity plants like in many countries are producing cheap electricity. San Diego Kalifornia voted against it over 30 years and now the land fill is huge.
Without getting into the argument of the subject, I would just like to say how ecstatic I was to watch a video of two politicians debating like educated adults. Both had valid points, both were respectful of the other without shouting over each other, without shouting at all. Gave me a small bit of hope, that once we get the top of their lungs nutjobs voted out, we can get back to this type of leadership in our government.
Yeah, that is a point. Though that Massie guy was playing cherry pick the appliance. Because knowing a bit about the situation at hand. I immediately thought of Air Conditioners. Air Conditioners are already stressing grids across the US. And as temps rise. More Air Conditioners Running 24/7. And I would have asked what he thought about what they ARE doing. And Will Do. If temps continue to rise. But that's just me 🤗
@@My-Pal-Hal however the guy arguing agasint electric vehicles was completely ignoring the fact that in that bill was plans to improve the electric grid to support the increased needs
@@Shadowtiger2564 Oh Yes... Those Repugnantcants across the aisle fail to mention many things. Especially everything They Vote Against. But take Full Advantage Of. They are Hypocrites and Criminals. And always have anyone, Except Themselves To Blame. ... it's sad, and tiring
Yeeeeahhh, I mean kinda, but just as I read this comment Massey asks a question then interrupts and talks over Buttigieg, raising his voice. At its best, this is still the level of discourse between elected officials and it's not serving the rest of us.
What the questioner is omitting is the concurrent/peak usage. Aircon is often used at the same time, ie afternoon and evening. Cars can be charged overnight when grid usage is low. We're already seeing electricity retailers offering super-cheap pricing (like 75% discount) midnight to 6am for electric vehicle households for this reason. MG4 home charges (240V single phase) at 6.6kwh, my ducted aircon runs at 6.3kwh. But they'll rarely be run together.
Add, most people don't need to charge their vehicle every night. I have an EV. I drive about 60 miles per day for work. I can go 3 - 4 days before I have to charge my vehicle. My wife has an EV we only have to charge her vehicle once every 2 weeks!!.
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to look up one single fact that out of context supports what you already believe and then just repeat it ad nauseum regardless of what other facts or context there is. Mr politician has it right.
agreed , Im an inside wireman and most peoples service would need to be upgraded as well. Power goes out for a storm and now you cant leave your home because your car isnt charged
Give both of these men gold stars. Civil, data-based debate. Largely wrong & cherry-picked data, but it's in complete sentences and without ad-hominem attacks and that's worth something in this day and age!
They didn't explain how it would take at least 15 to 20 years just to build out the nation's power grid (if they started today, they have not) and that is BEFORE they get started building enough power facilities to power that grid. But I dont want to get ahead of myself. firstly, Biden and Buttigieg want to buy the EV's .......... that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars.
Yeah because the Republicans keep killing infrastructure bills because they don't give a rats ass for you. But at least you can rest assured that they will be in another country enjoying themselves when your power goes out in the middle of winter so don't forget to vote them back in.
Our infrastructure is so wildly lagging behind being able to handle this “ideal electric vehicle” situation by 2030 its scary. Can’t just switch to 50% electric by 2030 then figure the rest out as we go
Of course it will handle the new electric infrastructure. Because it's not for everyone. They just implemented global population control. By 2030 for it to become a reality. The real upset will be 2024-2025 when a lot of people are still around as they make the changes.
Honestly as an electrician I can picture all house's needing a min. 200amp service to run two electric car chargers at the same time and almost all neighborhoods couldn't support it and all power lines/transformers would need to be upgraded to support that section on the grid.
The selling point of al this BS is the liars coin. Heads = We must lower energy consumption. Tails = all vehicles, tools, generators, etc... must be electrical devices charged through remote power generation sites. Or, Heads= The earth is being raped and destroyed by mining for fossil fuels. Tails= We must mine more lithium and other rare earth minerals and create more toxic waste dumps for billions of disposed highly toxic batteries and disposable vehicles. The same asshats came up with six sigma engineering and designing short lifespan disposable products. None of their tyrannical and destructive bullshit is possible without international monopolies, controlled propaganda, censorship, central banking, and central governments. This is being done so the millionaires can become billionaires and the billionaires can become trillionaires and people wonder how they became arrogant enough to boast of genociding 93% of the population that is in their way. They are a cult of liars, thieves, murderers, and Talmudic Supremacists.
Would they need to run them at the same time though? Could they but alternate which is charging when? We don't fill up on gas every day, and I hear electric car owners don't charge every day either.
Watching this from Denmark, a somewhat regulated capitalistic democracy in Northern Europe, we have a simple solution: our electricity price is set hourly based on supply and demand. The price for the next day is known at 3 PM. This incentivizes consumers to adjust their consumption according to supply. It is evident that electric vehicle owners charge significantly more when the price is low and almost never when the grid load is high, such as in the evening when everyone is cooking
I hate how they interrupt rather than just let him finish answering the questions being asked. It's equivalent to a kid sticking their fingers in their ears yelling, "I can't hear you." The one asking the questions wasn't having a discussion/conversation, he was more interested in talking at him rather than with him.
He sums it up perfectly, “…pain and suffering for the middle class.” And I guarantee that falls on deaf ears. These political elitists are completely out of touch.
Perfectly ignorant comment. You know what will cause "pain and suffering for the middle class," too? Loss of jobs, homes, and economic productivity because of climate change. Are we to continue to ignore the problem because there's a cost associated? I'm not sure if your luddite mind can wrap itself around this: at one time we lit lamps with whale oil; now we use electricity and light bulbs. Things change and need to do so. Get on with it. The real people who are "out of touch" are those that ignore the reality that climate is changing and we're on a precipice (this is most likely a 12th grade word, so I'll define it: precipice - steep rock face or cliff).
@@snigs5T5 The hypocrisy of elitists like Al Gore is displayed in their avarice (another 12th grade word for you). Their ignorance of the challenges of average citizens is highlighted in their suggestion to just go out and buy an electric vehicle (@>$40,000), to save $80/mo. on gas. When they begin to live like the rest of us, maybe then I’ll start to pay attention.
@@billiontion6064 of course you miss the point about electric vehicles, but I wouldn't expect any more from you. Plus you miss the asinine point that that ridiculous senator is trying to make: "the grid can't handle more electricity so that is bad so no EVs mmm k." But hey, you keep that ignorance going, ok champ.
@Apsoy Pike: Look up Halliburton, it gives an idea what is going on... they built out a chemical processing refinery in Saudi Arabia to meet year 2020 (election year, what a coincidence), then Halliburton partnered with Saudi oil company, Saudi Aramco. Then, Saudi Aramco recently partnered with the CCP bringing in Halliburton as their consultant to the CCP to build out gas/oil refineries 'in China for GLOBAL distribution'. So not only did China get U.S. manufacturing, Biden shut US oil/gas (permits), why or is there another big exodus of a major industry sector to further weaken U.S. labor? China is going to be the global distributor, we wondered why the CCP business entities were buying land in Oklahoma & other places. Biden released 1million barrels of U.S. crude oil from OUR reserve to the CCP, while we are suckers at the gas pump. And CCP partnered mainstream media is pretending China is going to attack Pelosi, what a crock of non-sense these globalists' politicians are playing against the U.S. citizenry.
Pete is awesome at responding to these attacks , which is why I’m kinda floored he didn’t bring up the massive unused capacity we have at nighttime - when people sleep and cars ideally charge (I believe most Ev’s have onboard timers, otherwise charging stations and phone apps can aid in this). 15 yrs ago when I first started advocating for EVs the math I was told worked out that our grid *at nighttime* could accommodate like 70% of our vehicles. Timing matters . Even if that number is off.
We bought a used EV in 2018, charged it off normal plug overnight, costs about $1.80 to charge off normal rates. It was so cheap and reliable (only car we've had that didn't need oil changes and constant maintenance, breaking down, etc.) that now we charge it off solar for less than a nickel.
@@YoFool.1506 , I do 1000 miles per month. In a Leaf. About the same in my Tesla Model 3. My Tesla is doing many small trips, the Leaf does 500 miles every alt weekend.
In Sweden, I saw a study showing that if we were to change all (100%) cars on our roads today to electrical vehicles, they would only use about 8% of the total electricity usage. Also, the vast majority of the charging takes place during the night hours when the overall consumption is very low, actually it helps to balance the grid. This argument of the grid not being able to support electrical cars is a myth. At least in Sweden.
Its a myth everywhere. The vast majority of people will be charging at home during the night when there is low demand and an excess of electrical generation.
Vehicles only produce 15% of CO2 ... and not all vehicles can be EVs ... EVs production to end of life CO2 production is only a few % less ... even if it was 30% less (which it IS NOT) ... If the entire country converted to 100% EVs, you are looking, at best, at a 5% reduction in total CO2 produced in America ... the increase in CO2 production in ONE YEAR in China alone will be more than that reduction ... what Western countries do to reduce CO2 has almost NO EFFECT on the rising CO2 levels.
1) The US isn’t Sweden. 2)Massie later on also did the same calculations for plugging EV at night, it doesn’t hold true for the US as well. Science doesn’t compare apples with oranges.
Anecdotal but my wife and I have electric cars and a 5kW solar system and our electricity usage is smack in the middle of average household. Pretty easy to offset from a usage standpoint. Peak usage will be higher while charging. With some work the grid will be fine.
Massie knows what he's talking about. He's wired his whole house to run off a Tesla battery. He graduated from MIT for mechanical engineering, so I'd take his word of Pete.
He made a totally generic comment with no basis on how much it would affect the electric grid. He should have focused on the fact that the electric grid is already coal or gas powered so they need to find a different energy resource like nuclear reactor.
Adding that much load to the grid requires upgrading and increasing capacity for every piece of electrical infrastructure including the overhead and underground distribution cables, substation breakers, transformers, fuses, all the way down to your home's breaker panel. You can't just increase generation on one end and increase load on the other and hope the circuit doesn't trip off.
It’s honestly hilarious to watch you guys trip over yourselves over the fear of reducing reliance on gasoline over a decade. I mean, according to your attitude, why do anything at all of it’s remotely difficult? Electric cars are emerging at the consumer level, governments are trying to prepare for that inevitability, are you guys suddenly against capitalism and free markets now or are you just triggered by sound bites on TH-cam?
@@k7in846 How does stating simple facts about grid upgrades needed to accomplish charging at your home mean they are afraid? I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. That’s like me saying I need some nails to build my fence and you saying that I’m afraid of wood… You see, doesn’t make sense.
@@shavedwolf87 because when you don't have a rebuttal the truth seems like an attack on "the future"....BTW I would love to hear his opinion now that California is having rolling blackouts.
@@pastexpiration2160 In a lot parking garages, they do have charging parking spaces. That is more realistic than people trying to charge their cars on a city street where parking in front of your house is not a given. That is where you may find cable lying everywhere.
When I get my next car it will be electric . I also plan to get rooftop solar an inverter and a battery , so I can run my car for free. I won't need to fully charge it every day , as I'm not doing a 200+ mile commute . So I won't be putting any extra pressure on the grid , probably less that I do now.
Ummm, if everyone drove EVs the demand on the grid would be substantially greater than just 30%! Already, several times (increasingly) throughout the year local and state level grid nodes are at, and over max capacity! If too many nodes go off.line due to blackouts (planed, or not) the grid becomes load unstable. Coupled with all the "renewable energy sources" that bring even more difficulties to grid operator centers! Long story short - NO our National Power Grid cannot sustain EVs!
You mean the current grid that is shutting down coal and natural gas plants and converting to unreliable wind and solar? THAT current grid? Awesome!! The future grid? Good luck with that.
It's true. EV owners generally charge at night when grid load is at it's lowest. Look up the 'duck curve'. Also, most people don't charge their cars 0-100% every day. It's usually more like 10-20% every day. Hardly anybody drives 300 miles a day, every single day.
@@erichtisnado1536 - And yes they also "generally" charge at work or shopping if available during the day. They also charge whenever available on vacation or long distance trips. And why the grid load curve does reduce (in certain seasons) at night, so do 100's gigawatts of renewable energy sources going off-line. The GM Ultium lithium battery system can pull a continuous 135,000watts from the grid (per Vehicle)! If 10 of those decide to simultaneously charge in a city block/small town that's a 1.35MW draw on the local grid node!
Next question, "What is California's plan to dispose of the 25 years old solar panels and toxic materials within them that they subsidized in the late nineties?" Follow up question, "Shouldn't we identify and plan for these future challenges before we create them?"
@John Spurrier Next question should be, " What are the plans to dispose of the Diablo canyon nuclear power plant and the 50 thousand tons of high level spent fuel currently costing 4.6 million dollars A DAY TO KEEP COOL, WHEN THE PLANT PRODUCES ZERO ELECTRICTY, AND SITS ON 3 FAULT LINES? ONE EARTHQUAKE AND WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN GIANT FUKUSHIMA!!
Let's worry about storing nuclear waste in fuel pools in zero containment and hemorrhaging radiation into the water and air! That fuel is still splitting the atoms and producing enough heat to power half of California! And it will be for thousands of years!
Check the demonstration between the Ford Lightning and the GMC Sierra on something as simple as towing a trailer for the advertised 264 mile range of the Ford Lightning. Pitifully, the Lightning had to turn back less than halfway and went back only able to complete 102 miles of the target 264 miles. But, kindly, the Sierra turned around and followed it back in case it needed to be towed as well. Pickups have 2 functions...towing and hauling...The Lightning failed miserably.
Finding courteous reader, DC power is not a renewable energy source this is a scientific fact this is why Nikola Tesla was able to deter an argument that DC power does not work,
@@NemrodhYarKemma such BS. My 87 f150 runs like a top built well. My 2000 crown Vic is rock solid reliable. Ford is probably the best American car maker and they started declining once the EPA started cracking down on emissions garbage. Government overcomplicates everything making it more expensive and less reliable, always.
An ev can use 8amp, 12 amp, and 30 amp power depending on choice of charging and be used as off grid storage and v2g bidirectional grid offloading. A spa uses 50 amp and you can’t recycle that wasted electricity. Are they going to enquire the energy demand of spas ?
Massie is probably one of the most intelligent people in DC - look up his education background and what he’s accomplished. You may not agree with him, no one can say he’s “dumb”
@@wonlop469 Massie is hard to lobby with or against if you look into his background and voting block of mostly Appalachia Kentucky. A particular part of Appalachia that has an almost non existent coal industry at that. All he is saying here is that it would be nearly impossible to more than double our electric grid demand in the next 10 or so years while also turning off 60% of our grid, the fossil fuels. While I don't think anyone should blindly follow any "expert", whether that's Buttigieg or Massie, Massie's field of expertise prior to his political life should still give some merit to his argument, being an electrical engineering grad from MIT. Adding 160% more renewable energy in 10 or so years to a country as big as ours would take trillions of dollars to do; something our utility companies can't do on their own, and would further inflate the dollar if Uncle Sam foots the bill like Biden wants.
@@TannerSwizel Again, he isn't dumb, he worded it very carefully and you bought it hook line and sinker. He did NOT say you had to double our electric grid demand. He said it would be double air conditioning. The plan is also to convert 50% of NEW CAR SALES, not all cars. It will be a small miracle if we can produce 8m EVs/year by 2030, much less replace 140m cars. On top of that, even if it was double demand, that doesn't mean we have to double output. Go read up on the duck curve. You just need to balance load during the day and night and not only can you double the output, it's insanely cheaper to boot since you aren't running expensive peaker sources but big cheap efficient base load plants. Work needs to be done but there is no crisis. Adding air conditioning loads to the grid happened MUCH faster and was very difficult to support because it piled on top of the already peak loads. EVs make the grid better, cheaper and more stable.
@@gregb7353 six months a year my electric bill doubles due to A/C. So doubling just the A/C would mean my summer bill is quadrupled and the winter bill is tippled. Sucks,
I HAVE THE SOLUTION: To avoid building more power plants, everyone that owns an electric car(s) must charge them ONLY from solar panels or wind turbines.
@@Gambit771 It will make the greenies stand up and understand the realities of today. That is, a magic wand will not work and neither will just saying it. The infrastructure needs to be put in place for this to work...and it will take longer than 8 years. In effect, fossil fuels power the electric grid. As fossil fuels are eliminated what will take its place? Pretty much the only alternative is nuclear and the greenies don't like that either. Great goal but it is time to be realistic...C'mon man.
I have an even better idea, why dont we hold off on EVs until they develop a newer energy sorce to replace batteries and fossil fuel generators so you can recharge in minutes and leave rather than wait hours just for a mile or two until recharge. A Non rechargeable generator that needs no refueling or recharging at all but u swap out a core every 50 to 100 years. By then the shitty concept of EVs will be outdated, because they will have flying cars or shall I say, spaceships to travel around in, and they wont need refueling or recharging either so it would make charging stations old n unneeded. Think about that, we use Fusion power instead of electricity or fuel, nuclear power plants to power up everything and eventually we will reach the point where nuclear fusion reactors will become soo powerful, that we would have Wireless energy to supply electricity to everyone without wires or cables but thru optic wires that use light or some sort of reciever antenna that will receive the Wireless electricity produced by the Nuclear fusion reactor generators!! By this time, Warp engines and USS Enterprise ships will be the new shit, space will be where it's all going to be at. So yea why don't we just wait til we develop such technology before we replace fossil fuels!!
And don't worry about the devastating increase in cancer cases because the liars have told us the electromagnetic fields don't have anything to do with cancer so when it happens just deny the cause
Nor does it include such things as cost of the vehicle. I cannot afford one, if I could, it would have to be charged on a 110 outlet, which would take well over 30 hours.
My experience with electric cars is that they have fewer moving parts, fewer parts that need periodic replacement, fewer fluids, are more reliable and because of the instant torque of electric motors perform better than gas cars. And I LOVE big gas motors. My first car was a 1967 Cougar. I replaced the original 289 (which was seized - part of how I could afford the car) with a 351. I have had 2 mustangs (4.6L and 5.0L Coyote). I am restoring a 1969 Torino. It has a Ford Racing 427 and gets about 10 mpg. But I commute to and from work in an electric car because it just makes more sense for me and saves me money - that I can use to restore my Torino. I would love to convert a 1956 T-Bird or old convertible Ford Falcon to electric. I think either of those would be very cool and an absolute blast to drive.
Some years ago a company converted a Tesla motor and inverter into a 350 drop in replacement (yes, not gonna help a Falcon)... 500hp/800ft-lbs of torque. Granted, you'd still have to deal with batteries and controllers... and a heck of a differential. Not my cup of tea, but interesting nonetheless
I live in the country with 18 miles to nearest grocery store with adequate stocked items. There are NO charging stations within 50 miles of our location, plus I’m 100% sure our small electric company can’t support this load. It might work in the richer and larger cities and neighborhoods, but not the rest of us. And what about farm equipment that is costing 1500 to fill tanks now with diesel? We are a very long way from meeting this pipe dream.
in those "larger richer cities" they have rolling brownouts where they just turn off your electricity for part of the day because the grid can not handle the demand
Unfortunately, in most large city's garages are used for storage, people don't have driveways that can accommodate one car let alone two. Parking in front of your house is also not a given. Most people will be charging during peak hours and overnight. This is a mess. They also don't talk about how much your electric bill is going to increase.
@@eugeniaskelley5194 Good point. That doesn’t even include apartment buildings. Every complex would have to have dedicated charging stations for EACH apartment! That is an astronomical expense! Guess what would happen to the cost of renting then? The middle class wouldn’t be able to afford it, let alone the poor working class.
I can only tell you from my own experience, having a Tesla from July of last year, the car is super efficient. My electric bill went up slightly and I'm not enrolled in the program since I'm still charging it from 110v (have to install the charger, plan on doing it myself). But if you listen to the point, of course the grid has to be upgraded, which it should. It's like giving everyone a new wifi laptop and not upgrading your router to handle the increase bandwidth. Also, it's the same with the incandescent light bulb, I remember vividly when Obama passed that law, I was in a Lowes and some was complaining about how they had to buy LED bulbs, I tried to explained to them, at 60watts for a $1.00 that is alot of wattages versus 7.5 watts $5.00 a bulb that last for years, it's less on the grid. They just couldn't (or should I say didn't want the change) now, you can't even find an incandescent bulb. Like someone else said with the cell phone industry, same thing. There are Americans now that still have a dial up phone. EVs are out and I love the simplicity of them, hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
Yeah, it's going to have to be upgraded regardless to handle all the AC demand from global warming anyways so it's really a bad faith point by the Republican. (what a surprise)
Well I'll chime in, I have solar on my house,and I love it,no electric bill,as for electric cars,no I don't own one and wont,that said my son has the model x,and I luv it,great to drive,self driving is insain,car summoning awsum,traveling any distance,slow,to much stopping to charge,charging at home and he has level 2,slow,his electric bill,horrendous. But the real offset for me is the maintenance cost,even just for tires,repairs slow and very costly,accident repairs are 3rd party approved centers,parts take forever to get. For me the good just don't outway the bad. I've seen a stupid amount of failures on these vehicles,camera,sensors,hood trunk cable,worn out front end parts just to name a few$3000 for a set of tires,and he's on his 3rd set,get fawkin real,just don't think so,but that's JM2C
At what point did we give the federal government the right to determine what kind of car we can buy. When electric cars make sense people will buy them. Right now the tech just isn’t good enough.
Where do you live? In the United States, our government does not determine what kind of car we can buy. It must suck in your country to have that dictated to you. In the U.S. there is certainly a strong push for the adoption of electric, and we are investing in expanding the number of charging stations. But yeah, much empathy for you in your country where it sounds like they are literally forcing you to buy a product. Oh btw the tech is just fine on electric cars, and the prices have come down considerably. My friend just bought one last month and she is totally loving it.
@@scott8xxx532 LOL....yeah right🙄 EVs cost more today than 3 years ago and the tech sucks because nothing is standardized. You can't even use half the charging stations out there with cars all having different sockets, different charge rates, and not to mention complete BS range estimates that are only slightly accurate at 70f with no wind. When the temp drops the range drops by 40%...that's not good tech, that's crap.
You no longer have the right to buy a car that gets 7 miles per gallon and has enough steel to protect you from hitting a tank. You haven't had that right for over fifty years.
@@scott8xxx532 Why do you guys even bother commenting? It's so obvious that you're shilling. "My friend just bought one last month and is totally loving it." You couldn't sound more like a commercial if you tried...
Totally not surprised. I had product designers present their final thesis about domestic appliances to me - and it was obvious that after 4 years of university, the connection between power, amperage and cable cross section wasn't clear to them - how should a professional politician know that charging an EV would need such an exotic thing like electricity???
Electricity can be generated by renewable sources that offset a lot of the carbon emissions. We are not getting rid of carbon emissions, but becoming carbon neutral.
@@easyenetwork2023 Lmao No, it can't. Al non-fossil, non-fission power shouls be banned entirely and all research and developed tech destroyed. Wind, solar, and EVs are nothing more than scams propped by stupid people.
Spot on. I'd like to own an EV; probably will in several years; but technology and price need to catch up. Curious; for the millions that park on the street in a urban setting; or in an apartment complex; how is that "charge at home" going to work? It's not. Some may argue that while parking om the street never will; but that apartment complexes can work...vandalism to cut cords for the copper; or, vandalism to vehicles for sitting at the charger all night will be sure to happen.
Thank you. Someone with common sense. You know what else will be fun? Charging your electric car in the city streets when there is a blizzard and the streets get covered in 24+ inches of snow and electric cords running all over the sidewalls. What can go wrong? FEV's
That means those apartment complex will need to invest in that. I highly doubt they'll do it and if they do they will raise the prices on rent to offset the cost. Also it will be easy for someone to vandalize them too
There are already commercial solutions that tap into the power going into the light posts running down the street. As they switch the streetlights to LED, the existing underground wiring can handle charging an EV or two. Vandalism? Well you would probably only cut that cable once, it's 240V ;). Plus Teslas have Sentry Mode which would capture any vandals on camera for easy prosecution.
10 years ago, when I bought my first EV - I had just moved into a largish house with only incandescent bulbs and low efficiency appliances (like, ACs). I swapped all my bulbs for LEDs, changed my energy hungry appliances for energy efficient ones, added my car which charged only in the middle of the night, and my electric bills did not go up.
@@The_DC_Kid And what smell would that be? The smell of utter shit coming from our politicians? Or the smell of elitism from our oligarchs and celebs? Or the smell of poverty and hopelessness coming from over 50% of the population who can't even afford to live anywhere since the greediest bastards in the country took advantage of the Covid crisis to buy up all the real estate and jack up the prices? Oh, I know! The ripe smell of exploitation and absolute destruction that follows our military into at least 6 or 7 different countries that have no ability to really fight back? Which one were you thinking of and what does your country smell of?
@@CleaversVids My parents used to say stuff like "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." Same idea. The character Jayne Cobb that I quoted above had a funny version of that saying. He once said "If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak!"
The same electricity that is used to refine gasoline. 1 gallon of gasoline refined from petroleum requires 5 kWhs of electricity from the grid. 5 kWhs of electricity put directly into an EV instead will give it 20 miles of range. So a gas car already has the emissions of an EV before it even starts up the engine and drives 1 foot just from the gasoline refinement alone.
This reminds me of the city in Michigan that praised themselves for the cost savings by switching out all of their traffic signals to LED from it's previous incandescent bulbs. The touted savings of electric costs and maintenance due to longer life. Unfortunately the result in the Winter the traffic signals were snow and ice covered and unreadable. This happened because while the incandescent bulbs draw more electricity they also provide heat to melt ice and snow. The local government's solution was to install heat packs onto every traffic signal which in the end cost the city more and used more electricity. Big fail.
Ummmm. LEDs ALSO get hot but only the ones as powerful as headlights. But I understand your point. Some things are DESIGNED PROPERLY the first time and any conversion lacks certain things.
If it ended up using even close to as much power yearly then that's poor implementation, the heater doesn't need to draw more than an incandescent bulb, and it doesn't need to run when there's no snow\freezing rain.
@@OffGridInvestor Correct, but it gets VERY COLD in Michigan during the winter, its called the "Lake Affect". Most places can use LEDs but that city learned a hard lesson.
Why would it draw more power? It only needs to heat to above the melting point, and then only in places it snows when it snows. And it probably wouldn't need a heater at all if you designed it correctly.
I love it when the biggest corporation on earth tells you what you have to buy from other smaller corporations when their products cost more, not to mention how much the charging stations will cost when 50% of the new cars will need them. I wonder how many of these legislators have invested in these companies??? Seems like there may be a slight conflict of interest.
Electric cars can be shut off remotely just like you are seeing with your essential appliances. Your electric car will just sit and collect dust when the goverment in control decides you shouldn't be using electricity for whatever reason.
Yes. It's called load shaving. And in fact, not only can they stop giving you power, they can take it from your car's battery to help meet peak time demands.
@@Dan16673 I used to live in a town that did that. They came to the house and installed a wireless gadget so they could shut off our heat and air whenever they wanted to. Luckily, in our case, the tech was a failure and didn't connect it correctly. So the system never shut down ours a single time. :)
25 times more than the refrigerator. I think a question was missed: "And do you actually think the average American will be able to afford this electric bill?"
The Butte argument will be that the money saved on gasoline will offset the higher electric bill. The MUCH bigger issue is the impossibility of upgrading our transmission/distribution grid to the point it can handle all of this new load in the ridiculously short time period being pushed by the moron in charge.
This point is not valid. You will pay less on your electric bill than you would in gas. It's a cost savings for the households that choose to do it. Unless of course the grid falls behind and the cost of electricity skyrockets and nobody can afford electricity for anything anymore. Then this is a valid point. And that is a valid possibility if we let Democrats rule the world.
@@jwil4905 To convert the car fleet to al electric will take 15-20 years *if* all new vehicle sales were electric starting today. How is that a ridiculously short time frame? In addition the goal is 50% new vehicle sales electric by 2035 which means we have at least 40 years before the grid upgrades need to be complete.
Bring back the era of the atom. Nuclear is the answer to almost infinite clean energy. But America feels more inclined to dismantle nuclear power plants than it is to building new ones.
@@mastr-sf1jv First of all no. It's not a good point. Chernobyl happened because some idiot did exactly the worst possible situation manually. Everything is automated now. Also, nuclear reactors aren't pressurized anymore. Chernobyl is physically impossible. Literally physically impossible. Let me say it a third time. It is more likely that the sun instantly becomes a giant dog in the sky then a nonpressurized nuclear reactor to explode. Third, we have a bunch of nuclear reactors in the U.S. They are perfectly safe. They are not always the best option depending on location and water usage, but they are perfectly safe.
@@Fallon755 the disaster that happened like almost 4 decades ago where safety precautions were not the utmost priority? The last nuclear plant meltdown happened in 2011 in japan and it was because of an earthquake turned to tsunami
Nor is it half the cars out in the population. He's throwing out the statistics as if every household would have at least 1 ev, when it is only new car sales that would have to become electric, not used cars, and you won't be forced to replace your ICE vehicle with an ev by that date.
I would expect. I would think. It’s going to need to be. He doesn’t know. Unqualified and unprepared He’s in charge of transportation for this country.
@@simsfish8728 If you're concerned about Cobalt, use batteries that don't use Cobalt. Lithium iron phosphate batteries already exist and are already used in various models.
Massie is spoken for by the special interest groups that fund his political campaigns, namely the fossil fuel industry. Massie got $103,369 from the oil and gas industry..
We're still living on the sacrifices made during the Roosvelt administration. We live on an old infrastructure, but lack the will of our grandparents to create (fund) a future for our grandchildren.
Anyone with any tech background can add up the carbon cost to produce an EV, run it to its max life, and then dispose of it, and an EV is horribly carbon expensive compared to direct gasoline. To say nothing of the direct environmental devastation required to build these vehicles.
You are going to shaft the west whilst china and india and all of africa carry on regardless. No one outside of the western powers gives the tiniest crap about net zero, and they're the biggest carbon producers. If you want EVs now you need to be 100% nuclear powered as its the only carbon free energy production system. And the lefties won't let the west go nuclear, in fact, it's going backwards.
If you wish to compare the cars only, without comparing where the energy that moves comes from, then one might end up with a disingenious comparrison. Has anybody calculated the "carbon cost" of the hydrocorbon industry (oil/gas/LPG/etc.), and added that to the carbon cost of producing a car with an internal combustion engine?
This is the same “Electric Czar” that was caught driving to work in DC, getting out and getting on a bicycle the rest of the way, so he’d look like he was doing the right thing.
You have to love that the people making the decisions have absolutely no idea what the numbers are. Their all-in and this technology is going to consume energy than gasoline run cars...... making electric also requires gasoline.
I watched a video a couple weeks ago where the guy was saying it only takes an additional 1 trillion KW of production to cover everyone driving an electric car. It sounded good until you factor in that the whole idea is to move away from fossil fuels which would cut electric production by 4 trillion KW. Also, to your point, it takes coke to make the steel needed for the cars as well as wind turbines. Coke comes from crude oil and coal. Not to mention all the extra materials like copper and lithium that have to be mined. Somehow that eludes greenies.
And they made that decision not understanding if people could actually afford all of it. It would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer devastating consequences. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
Right and i dont believe that how much electricity is being used is really the real issue here, its the african slave labor, the dismantlement of the US energy, while the East continues to increase theirs. Being big green will result in economic collaspe codependency on eastern dictators energy much like Western Europe.
Buttigieg was only selected for his position because he likes to have sex with men. He is not qualified to be secretary of transportation but he ticks a certain box for this administration.
I know right. Doesn't everyone remember how in the 60's President Kennedy said we should put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. And then everyone complained about how we didn't have the infrastructure in place to do that so we didn't? Remember, that's definitely how that went.
Also recall that in the 90s they said we should have a goal to have faster internet, but the infrastructure wasn't there to support that; so that's why we all use dial-up modems at 28.8 kbps.
@@grumbles lol wow what a comparison! Setting a goal for “Faster Internet”, didn’t result in a bunch of unqualified leftards, who’re trying to totally change the country’s infrastructure overnight, because some Swedish kid with a nervous tick told everyone that it was the right thing to do!
I'm assuming they intentionally compared apples and oranges. A car charging and a fridge / air condition running use power at very different intervals. Cars charging can largely be scheduled for night times while the others can't. There is more than 1 simple variable...
99.999% of people charge their car at night because its "cheaper". so if every household charges their cars at night it, the grid still wouldnt be able to handle it. its not really comparing apples to oranges when electricity is electricity.
It’s more like comparing to modern day wood prices, u need the wood for a chair and a house well if ur building too many chairs u build less house. Simple micro economics honestly
@@SpooxyCowboy1911 If you increase the number of e-cars, the CURRENT grids won't be able to handle it. That's why you'll also need to prepare and increase the electricity production, e.g. increase solar energy. But the guy wouldn't listen and keep assuming that we will increase the number of e-cars but the grid power still the same. Comparing the future consumption rate to the current production rate. But the GOPs can't go through with clean energy because 1) their check from oil corps will stop, 2) dumb GOP like MTG thinks once you go solar energy, you'll have no power once the sun set.
Dude never listened to the answer. Pete said it, it's not ready right now so we have to do something. The point of goals is to get things done. Have ambitious goals and get lots done.
Pete is a knucklehead. Can't change and won't try as he is so arrogant about his own infallibility. Gavin Newsome is in the same boat. We don't have enough electricity now in California but we are banning gas stoves in new construction and mandating electric cars. The only large infrastructure project is for an electric train no one will use. We have removed Hydro and Nuclear plants while demand increases. When this comes home to roost l hope people remember they voted for this.
The guy made no points he just threw out random stats and tried to deliver rehearsed one liners for Twitter clips. The “electric cars require 50x more energy than a refrigerator” line is completely useless for analyzing the situation. The cost of recharging a battery for EVs is much cheaper than gas even before the price spikes and as technology improves that trend will only continue. Improving the electrical grid has been done time and time again as electrical demand has increased, don’t know why that would suddenly stop. Some politicians just want to retard innovation.
It is ready right now. They don't bring up the grid is under much less load at night when cars charge and you don't need to charge a car everynight. I charge my Tesla model once every 3 or 4 nights. I am now spending 5x less or better on "fuel" than a gas car.
Imagine having a long blackout and staring at your family's cars sitting useless in the driveway; can't get to work, school, the grocery store, doctor, etc. Now imagine it during a natural disaster when you'd like to evacuate. There are places that frequently have 1-3 day long blackouts and it's nearly impossible to have your own backup supply like you can with gasoline.
I've lived through two earthquakes where we had no power for days.. Which meant NO GAS STATIONS COULD PUMP GAS in that period. I've also lived in Ca. where they are forced to shut down power because of the threat of roving blackouts due to heat, and fire danger due to aging infrastructure and climate change. Now imagine having solar on your house, or a battery pack in your house so you don't rely on the aging power grid. You supply your own power. Then magically look! No dependency on foreign oil, cleaner air, not having to be reliant on energy companies or oil companies for your house, or transportation. Oh right you can't imagine that because you still support technology that's over 100 years old and have no imagination.
And this is why i have 2 vehicles. Ive got a lttle Cadillac ELR hybrid for drivng to work and runnin around town. Plus i have a 88 Chevy K10 Blazer with a Duramax diesel engine (for the sustainable fuel reasons) for winter driving and summer camping trips. NEVER LIMIT YOURSELF IN ANYWAY.
@@doug6723 electric cars predate gasoline cars (by 7 or so decades), and have the same issues now as they had then, so in fact you are supporting the antiquated technology that couldn't win out on it's own with a 70ish year head start. Electric cars do not really work for the overwhelming majority of people and uses that currently get address by ICE. No amount of government cajoling, and E fanboy trolling will make it happen. If it's a better solution the market will adopt it. If it's not (it's not) it won't (it hasn't). Let those that think electric cars fit their needs buy them, but attempting to manipulate energy markets to force a premature shift is criminal, and very ill-advised.
The amount of electricity used is a bad measurement. As long as peak demand doesn't exceed production capacity, there isn't an issue. A lot of cars already have the built-in ability to limit their charging to non-peak hours to reduce costs. They primarily charge at night, when air conditioners aren't running as much. On top of that, better public transportation would help alleviate strain on the grid by reducing how much people drive and the need to charge, or even own, an electric vehicle at all.
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I like how politicians have to debate the efficacy of something which engineers can simply calculate. Its a no-brainer that the people in charge of this should not be in charge.
This is such bull. First who can afford the car and your electric bill would be out of sight. The electric car also does not do well in the winter if you live in a northern state. Also, why is the filthy rich Al Gore married to a Heinz Ketchup heiress flying all over in a private jet spewing toxic fumes and preying on people to buy electric cars? One of the biggest lying self serving hypocrites still around. He will get his, hopefully sooner than later. Despicable lying POS.
Thomas massie Is an electrical engineer
that's because these people aren't hired to their positions due to their qualifications anymore, just their gender/race/sexual orientation.
You can calculate wind and solar?
Engineers are often very bright but sometimes have zero common sense or zero practical application with the product development outside the lab.
They didn't say 50% adoption. They are referring to 50% of new car sales.
At least someone got it. One side is saying 50% of NEW sales and the other is trying to say how hard it is for half of ALL CARS. Like bro, that’s so far off
Also: If you have your own driveway you can charge overnight, when electricity demand is really low & utilities ought to be able to offer lower prices.
@@markiliff They do. My electricity is 10 cents per kWH cheaper off-peak time.
Exactly. I know almost no one who's ever even owned a new car, and I never will. When reliable used electric vehicles reach a feasible price for a normal guy, I'll absolutely drive one to work, errands, etc. I'm an avid hot-rodder and motorcyclist, and I'll never ride an electric motorcycle nor be without at least one V8 in my fleet. Combustion engines will never go away, and they don't have to. They just need to become special-occasion cars, which they will regardless of what anyone thinks or feels when fuel costs and cheap renewable electrical energy price them out of daily use for normal people. As for industrial equipment, planes, and ships, I doubt they'll EVER go away.
@@The_sinner_Jim_Whitney Have you bothered to look at used EVs? Check out Autotrader, craigslist, etc. There are tons of used EVs out there. I bought my used '19 eGolf for $23k at the peak of the stupid overpriced used car market a few years back, which is the same price as a used '19 GTi. It's been a great daily driver kinda car. The range is limited, but I have another car for road trips anyway. It's fine for local daily driving. That same car is now like $15k used with 30k miles on it.... and it's still under EV battery warranty for another 4 years and 60k miles. You can find early model year Leafs for under $5k these days, but range is super limited... sometimes under 50 miles for that price.
The point is, the price range. As newer EVs come out with more range, more do-dads, more power, and such, the more it presses down on the used car prices. You can get a used Tesla Model 3 for $25k still under warranty these days, and there is a $4k used car credit on top of that.
Funny, I'm betting in 1950 no one was arguing we shouldn't have air conditioners, because if everyone has AC the electrical grid wouldn't handle it.
Awesome point !!
He's sorta got a point tho, electricity prices are going up, electric cars will only increase that. Not to say electric cars are bad but it's certainly something I don't hear people talking about.
@@dxtrum not 100% true. There are studies showing that ev adoption has lower the cost of generating electricity. This is because of load distribution. If you charge your car at night, then you're giving peaker plants only turned on during the days something to do as opposed to just sitting around doing nothing. Starts and stops are fairly expensive and resources intensive for power plants, so decreasing the number of times that has to happen is beneficial.
Air conditioning started becoming popular in 1950 because the price to acquire one for a regular household had dropped significantly.... But it took nearly 30 years (1977) before all new homes started getting them by default. There was a long grace period for power companies to expand and upgrade infrastructure. Regardless of anyone's opinion on EVs, our electrical infrastructure needs to be upgraded and better maintained. The main issue everyone fails to account for though is the electricity being produced has to match the electricity being consumed.
Fun little fact: in UK during a soccer match, if someone scores, enough people go turn on their kettles that the power companies are forced to watch the game and crank electricity production to prevent voltages plummeting or blackout from occuring.
Well, people are advocating for removing of air conditioning in the modern day, on the basis of environmentalism.
I’m confused. He said “50% of new car sales should be EVs”, and he keeps arguing as if the half of US would suddenly be comprised of households that will have 2x EVs.
It's because he's either dumb or disingenuous. Probably both.
Because that deviates from the point he's trying to make.
He's not arguing in good faith.
Adding an EV to my household (20k miles/yr) raised my electric bill by $50, and cut how much gas I use by about $350.
And nothing will stop the power company from increasing your bill 4x either. I seem to recall replacing 60w bulbs with CFLs and LEDs that use 12w along with more efficient appliances and HVAC, yet while my consumption has been reduced, I’ve never seen the savings from it.
Well, $200 is still less than $350. And that $350 is based on $3 per gallon of gas. We all know that that number will continue to increase...
If you are getting electricity THAT cheap ... I'm moving there !
@@insaneiaqhaha this is the stupidest argument ever. First of all if they change the power prices then you’ll be screwed too because even without an EV you still use electricity so your bill will go up ! Secondly I use solar and charge for free so I control when it cost me money to charge or not. And lastly the very argument of how suppliers can change the cost of fuel is 100% petrol powered cars. The price to fill your car up changes from week to week based on what the companies want to charge you. You’re 100% at their mercy now. My power plan means the cost to charge is the same no matter what week it is. The rate is the same - no fluctuating from week to week - unless you drill your own oil - you rely on them. I rely on the sun !
but when you add the ridiculous cost you spent vs a comparable gas car you could have bought 140k miles of gas before you start saving money, and that doesn't include a dime for your extra power bill. A 2018 tesla3 long range vs a 2018 loaded camry that gets 30mpg cost the tesla owner 18.5k extra if they got the full government rebate in 2018. So until your electric car is out of warranty and over 125k miles you havent saved a penny. stop lying to yourself. Electric cars cost so much more then gas that by the time you break even on what the gas would have cost you its time for a new car or a trade in before the battery fails. I owned 2 prius's so im speaking from experience. by the time i saved the 4-5k i spent by not buying a corolla it was time to trade in my 2005 for a 2012......after the second prius i did the math and realized it was a complete shell game and i didnt save a dime. plus i burdened the world with 2 more wasted nickel cadmium used up batteries. We are being lied to .....the only difference is some people choose to believe the lies to feel better about themselves and some are honest.
How hard is it to understand that not every household buys a new car every year. They are talking about new car sales, not every car that exist on America’s roads.
I think he knows that. But he’s willing to pretend he doesn’t
They know exactly what they're doing. It's just political gaslighting because they're shilling for the oil lobbyists. It's all crocodile tears and hysterics in public in order to pander to that crowd. In private they sing a different tune...the guy said it himself...he's bullish on new tech and has had an EV and solar panels for 10 years.
How hard is it to understand that the grid is nowhere near ready for that load?
@@Mastermindyoung14 If they let people harvest their own energy and sell excess to the grid, it's not that much more than what it can currently handle. Regardless, upgrades are still needed because of how climate change and population growth are stressing the system already. May as well future proof it while you can, because weening ourselves off fossil fuels is absolutely necessary for the long haul.
@@jenkem4464 unfortunately, we need storage.
In California, for instance, there is actually too much solar.
The electric company no longer wants your excess during the day.
But at night…
Clearly we should all start driving our refrigerators.
That's it, fire Pete, the job is yours now. Genius.
LOL. Good one ;-)
Nice. No need for AC either.... whilst driving.
Bonus!
Is your refrigerator running?
Actually charging a Tesla with 220 volts will use more power than all of the appliances, electric stove and air conditioning in a day.
50 amps at 220volts=11,000 watts.
44 miles per hour charging travel distance.($11=132 miles). My 4 banger puddle jumper cost the same with the A/C or heat on.
Have not got rid of the 2003 5000lb behemoth. Sometimes I need to haul 8 or 12 50lb bags and keep them dry.
And my service struggles with NO A/C on. Summer and winter. Gas heat and stove.
Might be why I have a 12KW generator. And no electric car.
Butti Buddy does not do things like that. Might break a nail.
Absolutely astonishing that this Congressman thinks he stumbled on some kind of slam dunk by comparing electric cars to refrigerators. Seriously, what on earth.
they're (republicans) all bought by giant oil corps.
He's intelligent and knows whats going on, but like a politician-and especially a GOP politician-he loves to go for these gotcha questions that fall apart under actual scrutiny. This is a 'made for old people to share on facebook' confrontation, just like everything the GOP says. They have terrible policies and dont care about governing, so they have to antagonize to get votes. They're the most unserious people.
@@statelypenguinMassey is comparing apples and oranges. My car is charges off of a 50Amp service, much the same as my houses's electric furnace, not my refrigerator. Massey has solar panels and a massive EV battery in his home, so basically his Republican messages do as I say not as I do! No serious person is arguing that we should not upgrade our electrical infrastructure! Messy is not being serious here he is espousing the misinformation. We had infrastructure problems long before we had electrical cars! It's old and decrepit. The Biden administration is trying to do something about that while the Trump administration wants to end all upgrades. The electrical grid is an engineering problem and it will take an engineering solution to solve it, but we know the answers already just have to have the want to.
i never drove my refrigerator to work. ridiculous, i know, but so is that congressman.
It's quantifiable. This is an appropriate way of making a comparison between the potential energy demands. It would be more appropriate if he pointed out that refrigerators are only a small fraction of existing household electricity usage
I’m confused is electricity all of the sudden free? If you still have to pay for the electric to run you everyday house hold items, and then add electric vehicles to the mix essentially quadrupling the amount of electric you use, isn’t your electric bill also going to increase by 4 times?
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You’re bill will go up around 40x or more, not four.
@Kat Thomas A friend of mine sometimes gets credit on his bill for excess, but it's nowhere near what you say you get. And of course, he has to pay when the sun doesn't shine for a few days.
@Kat Thomas How many watts of panels do you have on your relatively small home?
Yes bro, simple math but those ignorant liberals don't have the brain power to try and figure that out!
that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
There is excess capacity on the grid at night. It’s easy to incentivize people to charge at night as is done now.
There's excess capacity during the day as well.
Been driving electric for 6 years now. California just took AWAY my incentive to charge at night by removing "super off-peak" rates in the middle of the night. Now costs the same to charge at 2am as it does at 2pm 🤬
Yeah and we can use sky electricity and tesla coils 😂
@@bernardsouza814 Huh?
@@AlexMckenzieCalifornia has a huge spike in production between 9:00-3:00 because of the wide adoption of solar in the state. To the point that the grid potentially could have problems in the disparity when the sun goes down. It wouldn’t make sense to incentivize night charging with this being the case
Adoption means 'new car sales'
- but the replacement rate for cars is something like 5%-10% / year
- so, even if all new cars sold are fully electric, it would still take 10 - 20 years for the whole domestic car fleet to become electric...
Yup, and thar is about the current rate of change. It is going to happen, like it or not.
Yes but people will be resisting this so the rate will change as ppl use more used cars. In a democracy majority of people would vote to keep selling gas cars. Fact.
Takes the government 5 years to re-pave 5 miles of hwy.
How long will it take the government to add 4X as many coal and nuclear power plants?
Cali can't even keep up with the current usage, now multiply that by 10X in 8 years?
EV cars last about 10-12 years before needing a new battery that cost $20K. How big will the EV car landfill be?
@@Justin-w7x This is a democracy, and the majority of people voted for Biden, who ran on this clean energy plan.
@potcommitted5355 I agree with you for not waiting for the government. We need to install solar on all of ours properties as soon as possible. We need to stop just using ev and start just buying tesla specifically because they have a better thermal management system to extend their battery life. Multiple small businesses are installing old tesla car battery for the home. Hopefully we can push the government to shutdown all of their crap. Do like the people in Texas and buy more solar and battery for the home.
be pretty scary to see a car charging towards you, but a fridge running is pretty bad too.
lol
Green Energy is not about individual energy independence, it's about specific interests profiting from it. Case in point, a neighbor of mine, an engineer by trade, built a homemade windmill and placed it on the roof of his home to draw in free electricity. The system was well designed and safe. He even posted videos of it on YT (which have since been removed). Over time as interest grew, the township became involved and forced him to remove it, claiming eyesores and various hazards. Goes to show you that everything's cool until someone creates a system INDEPENDENT of corporate and political interests, then they gang-up and squash the little guy.
"free electricity" lol, if you only knew how many megawatthours he could've paid for the same price and how little electricity he was actually pulling. Statistics in Europe show windmills output between 1 and 3 percent of their theoretical max power per year on average. And frankly just building a giant windmill by yourself in your garden does not sound exactly safe or legal either. It's not a freaking conspiracy.
they hate that. solar powerand green energy, like the dpt of education - is an entorely corrupt democrat girft to take tax payer dollars. they subsidize the panels - with tax payer money - pay themselves huge salary, and when the company goes broke they dont even care. its just an excuse to pad their pockets. anything with an unlimited subsidy is democrats stealing money.
Gotta stop and pay the toll to the troll.
We had the same experience. It was not an eye sore. They are noisy.
This is why I've built Darwin Turbines and disguised them, if they can't see them they can't moan.
It's scary the disconnect between their hopes and dreams and the harsh reality of existence.
They don't give a shit! They don't and won't suffer WE will!
The harsh reality is that they don't care how much harm their plan will cause all of us. Maybe you haven't noticed, but they want us all dead.
If only the grid could handle peak usage without blackouts before electric cars ,,,,
"Political science..." Well said.
Their brains became disconnected with reality when Clinton got his cigar smoked and questioned what is is.
I remember when about 10 years ago, a city in Indiana decided to have their entire fleet of vehicles (police cars, fire trucks, public works, etc.) - just over 400 of them, switch to run purely on ethanol because that could be produced easily form all the corn grown in that state. So, the city bought all these brand-new vehicles that GM made to run purely on ethanol and after they were delivered, the city realized that the closest ethanol refinery and storage facility was over 400 miles away and the vehicle cold be used until some large tanks were installed closer to the city yard. This is the kind of stuff the politicians do - don't think ahead.
democrats are over represented in incompetence
Which city was this?
You have to have a Plan. OK, Before we get the cars, Where does the People get fuel at? How far is the closes tank. Or on electric Cars, How long does a charge last, how many charging sites we need. What is the closes one to our parking lot. Like buying a bunch of cows and not having a farm to put them on. Like there is some town that don't have any electric plug in for Electric cars. England had Police driving Electric cars that ran out of charge while heading to a emergency call.
It’s an American problem, reactive instead or proactive 🤯
@@yayee7625 --- not as simple as that. the usa is not like a country such as norway. norway for example has one main city - oslo. which is not a terrible large city and it is a country flush with money from it's natural resources. it has no problem selling it's gas and oil. the usa on the other hand is dramatically vast and with some of the worlds largest cities and population and with an antiquated power grid within some of these cities. charleston comes to mind. norway's power lines within oslo is not as antiquated as many cities in the USA. and lastly.... consumers need to be ready for a tremendous increase in electrical costs to upgrade some of these lines as the Feds - unlike Norway.... is broke.
Not if you subtract off all the electricity used by refineries, pipelines, drilling and pumping etc.
Just because a goal is lofty doesn't mean you shouldn't work towards it
This demagogue Massey deliberately picked one of the LEAST power consumptive appliances in the house, namely a refrigerator which only consumes around 200W or so. But if he had picked a blow dryer (1.5 kW) or an air conditioner (3-4kW) or an electric range (3-5kW @ 240v) then the comparison with a car charger is far closer in magnitude. He's just playing to his ignorant base.
@444Dragoncheese All he had to do to explain to average Americans was to list common electrical appliances and their power requirements, like this: incandescent light bulb: 60W/100W, refrigerator: 200W, washer: 200W dryer (gas): 200W, dryer (electric): 2-5 kW, blow dryer: 1.5kW, A/C: 3-4 kW, 240v electric cooktop: 3-4kW (depending on # burners used), car charger: 6kW. THAT'S how a NON-DEMAGOGUE would phrase it so an average American can understand it.
@444Dragoncheese Yes I DID have trouble understanding it, until I put my power meter on my own appliances and measured them and I discovered he was deceiving the country. EV chargers are NOT A STRETCH AT ALL. An honest person would just list all the power numbers, as I did above, whereas a DISHONEST person will pick one fairly low-power appliance (just above a light bulb), to try to con people into thinking it is representative of all electrical appliances in the home (which it is NOT).
@444Dragoncheese First of all, do you know what instantaneous power is? Power is instantaneous, like velocity. There's NO SUCH THING as kW "per year," only kW-HOURS per year. kW-h is the integral of kW (it's a measure of WORK/ENERGY, like Joules) and kW is the time derivative of kW-h.
@444Dragoncheese No, your point doesn't stand because the comparison is still deceptive. You have to compare EV charger power consumption against ALL household appliances CURRENTLY BEING USED (WITH NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER!). And that's exactly what I did (above) and it's what Massie did NOT do. It doesn't matter whether someone out there has or does not have AC or a blow dryer of an electric coooktop, the fact is these are ALL in current use and are not any more of a problem than an EV charger would be.
A similar situation happened here in Sri Lanka with chemical fertilizers recently. The government imposed a 100% ban on chemical fertilizers when the country wasn't ready to go 100% natural. As a result, we're now facing massive food shortages. Politicians in general have no clue on how to accomplish something like this rationally.
Honestly pesticides and fertilizers have heavy metals in them that cause autism and school shooting in america. Banning those are good, but like always you cant just do it overnight, needs to be slow.
politics doesn't select for competence. it selects for politics.
Well said sir.
Funny you mention Sri Lanka. That’s a utopia right now isn’t it. Funny they’re not calling what happened there an “insurrection”
It's not a bug, it's a feature...
How much more electricity will we use for AC to compensate for global warming?
A lot. If we go look at the Middle East. Some countries can use up to 70% of the electricity on ac
Yes, because the half a degree increase is causing so much extra use of AC... lol
If you are using AC you live in the perfect place to offset it with Solar and run your house and maybe charge your car to .
Also, why compare to a fridge instead of another electronic device? An EV will use 1500-1800 W, just like a space heater, or hair dryer, or gaming PC, or crypto rig, or a good surround sound system, or a hot tub (which some people leave running all year), etc.
@@sinclairalIt’s not half a degree it’s 1.8 degrees F. that also means more forest fires, flooding, more frequent hurricanes, problems with farming, I could go on. My boomer grandparents and gen X parents won’t have to worry about it but I sure as hell will.
Before politicians speak, they should have to declare who their financial backers are.
Nah in this case that would not work. The Anti EV propagandist are motivated way beyond just being paid. It's also just a cult people are willing to serve for no financial payout.
Robin Williams said they should wear patches like the Nascar drivers.
As an engineer, if you do not set a goal, you will never get there. if you set a goal, you may miss a deadline, but you reach your objective a lot quicker. Whenever you set a time limit 'realistically' you are jsut like the student with a report due, you wait until the last moment, then write it. If you make the timeliness close enough, it is obvious you can not wait a day before starting to work on it. If you start working on it, you finish sooner. yes, it IS the job of politicians to set goals, and then to provide resources to the people who get it done. Look at NASA. they commonly have delays, but they still make progress and get to their goals.
I agree. While watching this video I kept thinking how important it is to set lofty goals. This applies in so many areas, even sports. Every time I run a 5k, I set an aggressive goal, which motivates me!
Well said sir.
You, as an engineer would know that nuclear would be the only option outside of fossil fuels.
Beautifully said
That makes sense. How about the fact that extracting Lithium is toxic to wildlife...? Carbon can be extracted even reduced as ICE cars have shown...Carbon is easier to clean than byproducts from Lithium extraction.
The Goal of a competent administration should have been to have an Electric Grid capable of 50% Electric Vehicles by 2030 and 100% by 2035. Attempting to create additional Demand before you can handle enough Supply is idiotic at best.
Additionally whenever they talk about cost of energy being cheaper with electric they are referring to current electric rates. Building a Power Production & Grid of that magnitude will be a massive expense which will either have to be paid for in Taxes if Federally Funded or in an Increase in Rate for Electricity if Privately Funded.
Show me the math on the cost of upgrading the grid factored into the cost of operating an electric vehicle. The fact that they haven’t even acknowledged what this will cost should be incredibly alarming for anyone.
Upgrading the grid wouldn't cause the price of electricity to go up. The costs of infrastructure are amortised over time in the price of electricity. That's how the current infrastructure works and there's no reason that new infrastructure would be more expensive.
@@programmer1840 A massive increase in infrastructure would require an increase in electric rate to pay off. This happens with our current grid. My own electricity rates just went up to pay for large damage/repairs caused by an ice storm last winter. The consumer pays for it one way or another, wether that’s taxes or rate.
And we will need all the fossil fuels available to do all this upgrading of the electrical power grid. These people are denser than a solid 20 by 20piece of cobalt steal.
@@sethrich5998 fair enough. In my country, it saves about 70% costs per mile compared to petrol cars. The cost of infrastructure on the energy bill is about 4%, so the benefits outweigh the downsides.
@@programmer1840 If you don’t mind what Country is it? The US can’t really be compared to most other countries in that regard. Reason being is land mass. Most other Countries have small land mass with dense populations. This massively eases the individual cost of infrastructure. The US has large amounts of rural area which creates huge increase in cost for expanding infrastructure. Even after you solve Power Production, the Power Transmission is a major issue. That’s not saying we shouldn’t be investing in upgrading the grid, but that needs to come before the cars. And so far no one has presented what that will cost to the taxpayer/consumer.
I am willing to bet that when this happens they will up the price on electricity. More then it already is.
FPUA just doubled their rates without any warning! There’s a nuclear plant, and the largest solar farm in Florida in the county. They blamed it on “the price of natural gas doubling “ although there is NO gas burning generators here. Of course, there street lights on in the daytime, and I watched them spend two days, with 13 trucks (with engines running the whole time) and over 20 employees to move a telephone pole four feet instead of just cutting down the palm tree that caused the move.
@@MarshalWalk3r Come on Man you had to Edit that Brother.
Electricity is already more expensive than natural gas. It's hilarious to me people like Buttigug think there is enough "energy" provided by solar and wind to power our nations grids. And they never talk about the service upgrades that will have to happen to peoples homes in order to charge their EV - unless they want to wait for 48 hours or more to charge it. Thank God this BS is just an executive order that can be reversed when a Conservative takes office.
Exactly what's happened to natural gas. They got us by the short hairs.
I am willing bet when the energy shortages come the left will quickly turn back to burning coal to charge their electric vehicles. 😂
Every trick in the book to protect the oil companies
No it wasnt, it was showing the scam of the green new deal. its unrealistic at this point. Its a scam, and its hurting america as we speak.
Refrigerators are one of the most efficient appliances. There is a reason why the preferred way to charge electric cars is a 50 amp circuit. You might as well be arc welding 6 hours a day.
Yes, you summed it up 50-amp circuit arc welding for 6 hours Aday.
Now do the math using average miles driven per day, instead of assuming people drive 200+ miles a day
We should be welding for six hours a day, so that we can build something better than those pathetic tin can electric cars that run off power from burning coal and oil... How about we all do hydrogen... sounds like a good idea to me...
The point is your electric rates will sky rocket !
@@scottpopowski902 Bingo all part of the brainwashing by the special interests and democrats set to get rich!
"It's going to need to be". Classic upper management answer for a problem they have no ability to solve or even comprehend the enormity of the problem themselves.
His comment had “someone else has to solve it not me” energy. It’s like when some late night host said people should just buy a tesla
Since when has "need" not been the driver of innovation?
@@model_number_band If electric is the way it’s a cleaner energy than fine, but the way this guy says it as he makes it sound like it is a problem we have that he thinks needs to be fixed but he doesn’t want to fix himself but wants to continue to encourage. It’s kind of like saying that someone is totally for some great social cause, but will just say that they agree with its message and then they just won’t do anything about it at all. That’s what he sounds like. It’s “we should do this but I don’t know how exactly, and we should try to do it in 8 years”
Well said and true.
Trees can't convert used and dead batteries into oxygen..CO2 emissions can be.
at least he's straight with his answers, not dodging them and answering questions that weren't asked. I'll give him that.
💯% ...it is mind blowing given the the standard practice of politics.
I give Pete nothing but the ‘Stupid’ Award bc the Green New 💩 Deal will not work. I’ve paid attention and have listened to the authorities on the matter-this plan is purely psychotic !!
I mean, to the question of will the grid be ready by 2030, the answer should have been a straight up no. If government is involved in those upgrades the grid won't be ready until 2130. So he loses points on that in my book.
I was thinking the same thing.
The questioning of law enforcement officials goes so much differently.
Why isn't this guy answering every question with "I don't have that information", or "I will have to look into that"?
Almost as if the heads of law enforcement/government don't want us to know about all the illegal/unconstitutional shit they are doing.
Yeah, but he is so ARROGANT I'm sick of Joe Biden and these type people TELLING ME what is BEST for ME!
"the average family has 2 vehicles" is the most out of touch statement I've ever heard
How so?
@@PocketsandOutlaw Where the hell is everyone living? Are we the only ones born into poverty? Life sucks man
As a former distribution engineer for an electric utility, I went into a DOE national lab to help keep sanity in the mix. I did see, frustratingly, that the lawyers and polisci folks push me aside and taught a complete line of BS (to the state PUC staffers).
Pete 'Buttplug' Buttigieg.
I'd be interested to know more? (not buttplug glen) What is the BS? capacity is/ isn't there. It can be rolled out/ can't.
@@b.w.1386 Here are the basics. As things currently stand, 2/3's of the US is at or near capacity for their electrical usage, so that they are at risk of experiencing rolling blackouts at some point during the year. According to this video, and other estimates I have seen, an average household uses 890 kWh of electricity per month and a single electric car adds on average (depends on how many miles you drive) about 282 kWh of monthly energy usage. This is a 33% increase for one car. So the point of the video is if we mandate every family get an electric car by 2030 and effectively increase energy consumption by 25% (assuming a portion of the families already have an electric car), then we are going to be in trouble. The sad part of all this is that we used to have more reliable energy capacity in this country when we used coal to help us. But now, coal, oil and natural gas are all evil, and the "green energy" ideas just aren't reliable enough energy (nor large enough) to make up the difference. Probably the real solution to all of this is nuclear energy (which is how Europe makes up the gap), but no one want to talk about that in the USA.
@@RS-tz2zn i agree with the nuclear energy recommendation. Just wanted to clarify that the 2030-35 is just a goal for adoption of new cars that are manufactured or sold that year, its not feasible that 50% of the country could switch to new cars in 8 years.
@@ibrahimhyder Thanks, that is good to know that it is 50% of cars sold in 2030, not 50% of all cars. We'll see what happens...
Having designed power line upgrades for power companies for 20 years, I can tell you this: the customer is going to pay through the nose for the upgrades needed for all these electric vehicles.
Just saying hope your mix baby gets put up
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket Noone is listening. Don't understand hybrid capitalism/socialism
@@brobrio what do you think we have now? Public schools, food stamps, welfare, roads/infrastructure are all examples of socialist programs. That's why we pay taxes. If we didn't have a hybrid system, we wouldn't pay taxes we would simple have to set up a system so we could pay for all of these services when we used them.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket industry refuses to compete? Do you know how expensive copper cable is? Do you realize the amount of cable needed, at a larger gauge btw to carry all that current? Now you want tax payers to foot the bill? Jesus christ, you libs won't be happy until we are all working for nothing but the tax bill. Look, you want windmills and solar and free this and that, move somewhere that already offers it.
If you don’t want to live on this planet, let me know!
The sad thing is how we, as a society, always have an "all or nothing" mentality. There are good points about gas cars. And electric cars. And hydrogen cars. Give people a choice and this will work out. Force people down one road, so to speak, and many will rebel.
Just in case you haven't realized it yet, although I'm sure you have, "they" don't want us to have a choice! 🙏🇺🇲
@@puregrit8057 yes, of course ev charging infrastructure would need to be expanded, but where d'ya think all of the green/ZE energy will come from!? C'mon, man!! 🤣
There are no good points about hydrogen cars right now. It's less economically efficient, it's less environmentally efficient, it's less convenient. Until there is a revolutionary change in technology, hydrogen powered vehicles are a non-starter.
@@puregrit8057 I've seen this post before and I believe it was by you. This is pure BS what you're saying, Pete Buttplug talks about wants and needs, but I've seen nothing done on increasing or bettering the grid. Oh my, they've made a new government office on the problem, golly, all our problems are solved, what BS. The politician should have asked where are these improvements going on right now, because they aren't. Besides that the amount of material just to produce batteries for these cars is staggering. So here''s some facts instead of pipe dreams like Pete has.
When more hydro power projects are talked about, people like the Sierra club and tree huggers scream their heads off and defeat any measure to do that. Such as California who could easily create some there.
Electric cars....If you love strip mining, you'll love what it takes to do electric cars. For every Tesla sized car it takes the following
- 22 lbs of lithium
75 lbs of nickel
45 lbs. of copper
Trucks and anything bigger will require more, much more.
The lithium supply in the world. - 80% in Australia, followed by 15% in China and about 2 % in the US. Now when you add up all vehicles in the US being electric, you will exhaust the supply of lithium alone. What's the rest of the world going to do??? We aren't there yet to just give up oil, and you're going to love waiting for your car to charge. Oh, and I forgot about all those "charging stations" and how much copper they will require. Now what do you think???
@@puregrit8057
That’s hilarious.
I have serious doubts that the government will do anything anytime soon, to upgrade the electric grid….that is what needs to happen, and then we still have to talk about the need for economic and cleaner energy before it all becomes viable.
Your current government idiots just want it to happen, without regard to what it will cost We The People and also whether or not the people even want it.
-most don’t.
'100% of car sales by 2035' is too slow adaption if anything. It'll take another 20 years beyond that to replace the existing fleet. Having 30 years to marginally increase the grid capacity is quite generous.
That goal of 2035 is for 50% of passenger vehicles. That doesn't include a lot of vehicles. But it will make a dent in lowering the amount of pollution.
The thing that boggles my mind the most with these people who are obsessed with going green and driving EV is that they never seem to promote or push the idea of expanding our nuclear energy capabilities at home either.
In time they will because that is the entire point of electric cars. They are waiting until there is no turning back. Then they will have to build more nuclear plants.
FYI there is only 1 company capable of building nuclear power plants in the USA. It is TerraPower, owned completely and solely by William Gates.
Now you now the rest of the story.
What gets me they are not being honest about an electric car. The cost of maintenance etc. Check the price of a new battery with installation . Going green is not for me or my budget.
What boggles me is they'll all say global warming and not prove it even exists. But you better give up everything for it
I'm an environmentalist and I always emphasize nuclear as part of a diversified energy portfolio for our country. Depends on different regions of the country, their strengths and weaknesses.
No nuclear... we don't want radiation poisoning.
When I go to fill my car up, sometimes there is a wait, maybe 10 minutes before it's my turn. Can you imagine how long the wait line will be if it takes over an hour to charge an EV?
Yeah, these people are 100% stupid, especially the fruitcake being questioned.
You nailed it !
Its a democrat idea, and they are incapable of thinking that far into any plan. Or put another way, have you ever met a democrat with a lick of common sense?
Exactly I’m keeping my 2000 town car
They want to control how u live ur life
They haven't been able to fix CA's electric grid in years, they still have brown and blackouts regularly in the heat of the summer; imagine if they all had 2 electric cars.
California had a massive surplus of energy in 2000, around 2 gigawatts I believe. Then Grey Davis and the democratics went on a massive campaign and shut down all of the nuclear plants, except for Diablo canyon, which is in Newsom's sights to get shut down.
@@renegade_patriot 1.21 gigawatts of that is needed for just one Delorean for one trip.
@@jackjones5314 Doc Brown for governor
In a word.... deregulation. In two words free market.
Trash to electricity plants like in many countries are producing cheap electricity.
San Diego Kalifornia voted against it over 30 years and now the land fill is huge.
If you'd like to see the math on the grid handling EV adoption, here's the numbers: th-cam.com/video/7dfyG6FXsUU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ehtj5HVX6nA9M9mt
Wow interesting seeing you here on an old video.
Cheers to the engineers who do the real math. Thanks Jason!😁
I reference your videos for all the common talking points people bring up against EVs.
Without getting into the argument of the subject, I would just like to say how ecstatic I was to watch a video of two politicians debating like educated adults. Both had valid points, both were respectful of the other without shouting over each other, without shouting at all. Gave me a small bit of hope, that once we get the top of their lungs nutjobs voted out, we can get back to this type of leadership in our government.
Yeah, that is a point.
Though that Massie guy was playing cherry pick the appliance.
Because knowing a bit about the situation at hand.
I immediately thought of Air Conditioners. Air Conditioners are already stressing grids across the US. And as temps rise. More Air Conditioners Running 24/7.
And I would have asked what he thought about what they ARE doing. And Will Do. If temps continue to rise.
But that's just me 🤗
@@My-Pal-Hal however the guy arguing agasint electric vehicles was completely ignoring the fact that in that bill was plans to improve the electric grid to support the increased needs
@@Shadowtiger2564
Oh Yes...
Those Repugnantcants across the aisle fail to mention many things.
Especially everything They Vote Against. But take Full Advantage Of.
They are Hypocrites and Criminals. And always have anyone, Except Themselves To Blame.
... it's sad, and tiring
Yeeeeahhh, I mean kinda, but just as I read this comment Massey asks a question then interrupts and talks over Buttigieg, raising his voice. At its best, this is still the level of discourse between elected officials and it's not serving the rest of us.
50% new car sales would be EV by 2030 according to plan, not 50% cars on road would be EV. He is misleading with numbers.
What the questioner is omitting is the concurrent/peak usage. Aircon is often used at the same time, ie afternoon and evening. Cars can be charged overnight when grid usage is low. We're already seeing electricity retailers offering super-cheap pricing (like 75% discount) midnight to 6am for electric vehicle households for this reason. MG4 home charges (240V single phase) at 6.6kwh, my ducted aircon runs at 6.3kwh. But they'll rarely be run together.
Add, most people don't need to charge their vehicle every night. I have an EV. I drive about 60 miles per day for work. I can go 3 - 4 days before I have to charge my vehicle. My wife has an EV we only have to charge her vehicle once every 2 weeks!!.
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to look up one single fact that out of context supports what you already believe and then just repeat it ad nauseum regardless of what other facts or context there is. Mr politician has it right.
As a power lineman I can tell you it probably take 50+ years to upgrade my local system to be able to support electric cars in every house.
gee and you're only a lineman 🤣
agreed , Im an inside wireman and most peoples service would need to be upgraded as well. Power goes out for a storm and now you cant leave your home because your car isnt charged
I'm a quarterback and I can confirm what he's sayins is true.
Im a stay a home dad with only a youtube degree in wiring and even i know my town in BFE will bot be capable of charging any electric vehicles
@@atgrandfathersknee3065 im a rodeo clown and i think trump is a liar!
Give both of these men gold stars. Civil, data-based debate. Largely wrong & cherry-picked data, but it's in complete sentences and without ad-hominem attacks and that's worth something in this day and age!
States are now having rolling blackouts that didn't have a problem before! This is already a big problem now!
Yep
California already has that problem, has for the last few years.
They didn't explain how it would take at least 15 to 20 years just to build out the nation's power grid (if they started today, they have not) and that is BEFORE they get started building enough power facilities to power that grid. But I dont want to get ahead of myself. firstly, Biden and Buttigieg want to buy the EV's .......... that would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars.
The US don't know how to produce electricity though, they probably should ask Québec how to actually make a reliable electricity grid.
Yeah because the Republicans keep killing infrastructure bills because they don't give a rats ass for you. But at least you can rest assured that they will be in another country enjoying themselves when your power goes out in the middle of winter so don't forget to vote them back in.
Our infrastructure is so wildly lagging behind being able to handle this “ideal electric vehicle” situation by 2030 its scary. Can’t just switch to 50% electric by 2030 then figure the rest out as we go
Agreed, that won’t work.
The truth is as Massie says, we just don’t have a big enough electrical grid
To support widespread adoption of electric cars.
The country needs 100s of billions of dollars of upgrades. It's possible but will take a very long time
@@r.d.9399 🤣
Of course it will handle the new electric infrastructure. Because it's not for everyone. They just implemented global population control. By 2030 for it to become a reality. The real upset will be 2024-2025 when a lot of people are still around as they make the changes.
Why not, Pelosi asked to pass Obamacare so we could find out what was in it.
Honestly as an electrician I can picture all house's needing a min. 200amp service to run two electric car chargers at the same time and almost all neighborhoods couldn't support it and all power lines/transformers would need to be upgraded to support that section on the grid.
Your point is well taken. I'd suggest a 400 Amp service is more likely needed, especially if there are two electric cars in the garage.
The selling point of al this BS is the liars coin. Heads = We must lower energy consumption. Tails = all vehicles, tools, generators, etc... must be electrical devices charged through remote power generation sites. Or, Heads= The earth is being raped and destroyed by mining for fossil fuels. Tails= We must mine more lithium and other rare earth minerals and create more toxic waste dumps for billions of disposed highly toxic batteries and disposable vehicles.
The same asshats came up with six sigma engineering and designing short lifespan disposable products. None of their tyrannical and destructive bullshit is possible without international monopolies, controlled propaganda, censorship, central banking, and central governments.
This is being done so the millionaires can become billionaires and the billionaires can become trillionaires and people wonder how they became arrogant enough to boast of genociding 93% of the population that is in their way.
They are a cult of liars, thieves, murderers, and Talmudic Supremacists.
Would they need to run them at the same time though? Could they but alternate which is charging when? We don't fill up on gas every day, and I hear electric car owners don't charge every day either.
There was a time when no one had running water either. Somehow civilization managed the upgrade.
Isn't a 200A panel already the minimum installed in any new home? If I'm not mistaken I think it's actually 300A.
Watching this from Denmark, a somewhat regulated capitalistic democracy in Northern Europe, we have a simple solution: our electricity price is set hourly based on supply and demand. The price for the next day is known at 3 PM. This incentivizes consumers to adjust their consumption according to supply. It is evident that electric vehicle owners charge significantly more when the price is low and almost never when the grid load is high, such as in the evening when everyone is cooking
I hate how they interrupt rather than just let him finish answering the questions being asked. It's equivalent to a kid sticking their fingers in their ears yelling, "I can't hear you." The one asking the questions wasn't having a discussion/conversation, he was more interested in talking at him rather than with him.
He sums it up perfectly, “…pain and suffering for the middle class.” And I guarantee that falls on deaf ears. These political elitists are completely out of touch.
Time to change a lot of diapers in 2022 and I’m not just talking about Biden’s actual diaper
Perfectly ignorant comment. You know what will cause "pain and suffering for the middle class," too? Loss of jobs, homes, and economic productivity because of climate change. Are we to continue to ignore the problem because there's a cost associated? I'm not sure if your luddite mind can wrap itself around this: at one time we lit lamps with whale oil; now we use electricity and light bulbs. Things change and need to do so. Get on with it. The real people who are "out of touch" are those that ignore the reality that climate is changing and we're on a precipice (this is most likely a 12th grade word, so I'll define it: precipice - steep rock face or cliff).
@@snigs5T5 The hypocrisy of elitists like Al Gore is displayed in their avarice (another 12th grade word for you). Their ignorance of the challenges of average citizens is highlighted in their suggestion to just go out and buy an electric vehicle (@>$40,000), to save $80/mo. on gas. When they begin to live like the rest of us, maybe then I’ll start to pay attention.
@@billiontion6064 of course you miss the point about electric vehicles, but I wouldn't expect any more from you. Plus you miss the asinine point that that ridiculous senator is trying to make: "the grid can't handle more electricity so that is bad so no EVs mmm k." But hey, you keep that ignorance going, ok champ.
@Apsoy Pike: Look up Halliburton, it gives an idea what is going on... they built out a chemical processing refinery in Saudi Arabia to meet year 2020 (election year, what a coincidence), then Halliburton partnered with Saudi oil company, Saudi Aramco. Then, Saudi Aramco recently partnered with the CCP bringing in Halliburton as their consultant to the CCP to build out gas/oil refineries 'in China for GLOBAL distribution'. So not only did China get U.S. manufacturing, Biden shut US oil/gas (permits), why or is there another big exodus of a major industry sector to further weaken U.S. labor? China is going to be the global distributor, we wondered why the CCP business entities were buying land in Oklahoma & other places. Biden released 1million barrels of U.S. crude oil from OUR reserve to the CCP, while we are suckers at the gas pump. And CCP partnered mainstream media is pretending China is going to attack Pelosi, what a crock of non-sense these globalists' politicians are playing against the U.S. citizenry.
This is what the people of the US need to understand before election. Excellent job Senator!
He's not a senator.
@@lovetitleist69 He should be
@@lovetitleist69 But he is a Congressman.
Pete is awesome at responding to these attacks , which is why I’m kinda floored he didn’t bring up the massive unused capacity we have at nighttime - when people sleep and cars ideally charge (I believe most Ev’s have onboard timers, otherwise charging stations and phone apps can aid in this).
15 yrs ago when I first started advocating for EVs the math I was told worked out that our grid *at nighttime* could accommodate like 70% of our vehicles. Timing matters . Even if that number is off.
We bought a used EV in 2018, charged it off normal plug overnight, costs about $1.80 to charge off normal rates. It was so cheap and reliable (only car we've had that didn't need oil changes and constant maintenance, breaking down, etc.) that now we charge it off solar for less than a nickel.
And how many miles per week?
@@joelalsup1561 very little, maybe 100
What EV do you have?
@@nickytealive less the 100 sounds like a Leaf or i3
@@YoFool.1506 , I do 1000 miles per month. In a Leaf. About the same in my Tesla Model 3.
My Tesla is doing many small trips, the Leaf does 500 miles every alt weekend.
In Sweden, I saw a study showing that if we were to change all (100%) cars on our roads today to electrical vehicles, they would only use about 8% of the total electricity usage. Also, the vast majority of the charging takes place during the night hours when the overall consumption is very low, actually it helps to balance the grid. This argument of the grid not being able to support electrical cars is a myth. At least in Sweden.
Its a myth everywhere. The vast majority of people will be charging at home during the night when there is low demand and an excess of electrical generation.
Vehicles only produce 15% of CO2 ... and not all vehicles can be EVs ... EVs production to end of life CO2 production is only a few % less ... even if it was 30% less (which it IS NOT) ... If the entire country converted to 100% EVs, you are looking, at best, at a 5% reduction in total CO2 produced in America ... the increase in CO2 production in ONE YEAR in China alone will be more than that reduction ... what Western countries do to reduce CO2 has almost NO EFFECT on the rising CO2 levels.
1) The US isn’t Sweden. 2)Massie later on also did the same calculations for plugging EV at night, it doesn’t hold true for the US as well. Science doesn’t compare apples with oranges.
@444Dragoncheese In what way is size significant?
@444Dragoncheese ???
Anecdotal but my wife and I have electric cars and a 5kW solar system and our electricity usage is smack in the middle of average household. Pretty easy to offset from a usage standpoint. Peak usage will be higher while charging. With some work the grid will be fine.
Solar subsidies for adopting electric cars. Can support two industries at once. Problem is lower home ownership would reduce effectiveness
Charging cars at night won't affect the grid at all.
Turning on your air cond only at night would be problematic.
Massie knows what he's talking about. He's wired his whole house to run off a Tesla battery. He graduated from MIT for mechanical engineering, so I'd take his word of Pete.
Interesting
I wouldn't
Mayor Pete doesn’t know jack about transportation let alone anything do to with electricity. None of these fools in this administration do. Smh
Massie must hate crypto then, eh?
He made a totally generic comment with no basis on how much it would affect the electric grid.
He should have focused on the fact that the electric grid is already coal or gas powered so they need to find a different energy resource like nuclear reactor.
Adding that much load to the grid requires upgrading and increasing capacity for every piece of electrical infrastructure including the overhead and underground distribution cables, substation breakers, transformers, fuses, all the way down to your home's breaker panel. You can't just increase generation on one end and increase load on the other and hope the circuit doesn't trip off.
Its inevitable that they will place restrictions on charging at certain times of the day like gas rationing.
It’s honestly hilarious to watch you guys trip over yourselves over the fear of reducing reliance on gasoline over a decade. I mean, according to your attitude, why do anything at all of it’s remotely difficult? Electric cars are emerging at the consumer level, governments are trying to prepare for that inevitability, are you guys suddenly against capitalism and free markets now or are you just triggered by sound bites on TH-cam?
And they have to let the power companies build the generating capacity. They routinely stand in the way of building power plants.
@@k7in846 How does stating simple facts about grid upgrades needed to accomplish charging at your home mean they are afraid? I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. That’s like me saying I need some nails to build my fence and you saying that I’m afraid of wood… You see, doesn’t make sense.
@@shavedwolf87 because when you don't have a rebuttal the truth seems like an attack on "the future"....BTW I would love to hear his opinion now that California is having rolling blackouts.
Big problem with this: Not everyone lives in a house. Many live in high rise apartment buildings....We gonna have a charge installed for every tenant?
Millions of people living in apartments don't have cars at all.
Yea I’m imagining a parking garage with cables laying absolutely everywhere
@@pastexpiration2160 In a lot parking garages, they do have charging parking spaces. That is more realistic than people trying to charge their cars on a city street where parking in front of your house is not a given. That is where you may find cable lying everywhere.
And electric cars don’t lose mulch charge sitting off, if at all that I know.
Yeah or the parking lot at your job will have a charger
When I get my next car it will be electric . I also plan to get rooftop solar an inverter and a battery , so I can run my car for free. I won't need to fully charge it every day , as I'm not doing a 200+ mile commute . So I won't be putting any extra pressure on the grid , probably less that I do now.
You understand your needs. Most people that have EV anxiety tend to evaluate a new car purchase that is based upon the way that they plan to use it
Engineering explained did a video on this and turns out the demand on the grid would only be x1.3 which it is already capable of
Ummm, if everyone drove EVs the demand on the grid would be substantially greater than just 30%! Already, several times (increasingly) throughout the year local and state level grid nodes are at, and over max capacity! If too many nodes go off.line due to blackouts (planed, or not) the grid becomes load unstable. Coupled with all the "renewable energy sources" that bring even more difficulties to grid operator centers! Long story short - NO our National Power Grid cannot sustain EVs!
You mean the current grid that is shutting down coal and natural gas plants and converting to unreliable wind and solar? THAT current grid? Awesome!! The future grid? Good luck with that.
DON'T BELIEVE IT! HALF OF EV OWNERS PLUG THEIR CARS IN THE GRID WILL TANK!
It's true. EV owners generally charge at night when grid load is at it's lowest. Look up the 'duck curve'.
Also, most people don't charge their cars 0-100% every day. It's usually more like 10-20% every day. Hardly anybody drives 300 miles a day, every single day.
@@erichtisnado1536 - And yes they also "generally" charge at work or shopping if available during the day. They also charge whenever available on vacation or long distance trips. And why the grid load curve does reduce (in certain seasons) at night, so do 100's gigawatts of renewable energy sources going off-line. The GM Ultium lithium battery system can pull a continuous 135,000watts from the grid (per Vehicle)! If 10 of those decide to simultaneously charge in a city block/small town that's a 1.35MW draw on the local grid node!
Next question, "What is California's plan to dispose of the 25 years old solar panels and toxic materials within them that they subsidized in the late nineties?"
Follow up question, "Shouldn't we identify and plan for these future challenges before we create them?"
There are already big problems disposing of all the warn out wind mill blades, look it up.
That would be anti communist. Be a good comrade and trust the plan.
@John Spurrier Next question should be, " What are the plans to dispose of the Diablo canyon nuclear power plant and the 50 thousand tons of high level spent fuel currently costing
4.6 million dollars A DAY TO KEEP COOL, WHEN THE PLANT PRODUCES ZERO ELECTRICTY, AND SITS ON 3 FAULT LINES? ONE EARTHQUAKE AND WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN GIANT FUKUSHIMA!!
Let's worry about storing nuclear waste in fuel pools in zero containment and hemorrhaging radiation into the water and air! That fuel is still splitting the atoms and producing enough heat to power half of California! And it will be for thousands of years!
Follow up question for you, is disposing of ICE / carbon waste in our air a bigger or smaller problem than solar panels?
Check the demonstration between the Ford Lightning and the GMC Sierra on something as simple as towing a trailer for the advertised 264 mile range of the Ford Lightning. Pitifully, the Lightning had to turn back less than halfway and went back only able to complete 102 miles of the target 264 miles. But, kindly, the Sierra turned around and followed it back in case it needed to be towed as well. Pickups have 2 functions...towing and hauling...The Lightning failed miserably.
ford hasnt been know for quality in over 4 decades.. not sure why anyone was expecting success story out of htat. lol
Yeah imagine having to drive from jobsite to jobsite handling logistics. Or farm use...what a joke.
Finding courteous reader, DC power is not a renewable energy source this is a scientific fact this is why Nikola Tesla was able to deter an argument that DC power does not work,
@@NemrodhYarKemma Like that was a point
@@NemrodhYarKemma such BS. My 87 f150 runs like a top built well. My 2000 crown Vic is rock solid reliable. Ford is probably the best American car maker and they started declining once the EPA started cracking down on emissions garbage. Government overcomplicates everything making it more expensive and less reliable, always.
An ev can use 8amp, 12 amp, and 30 amp power depending on choice of charging and be used as off grid storage and v2g bidirectional grid offloading. A spa uses 50 amp and you can’t recycle that wasted electricity. Are they going to enquire the energy demand of spas ?
Massie is probably one of the most intelligent people in DC - look up his education background and what he’s accomplished. You may not agree with him, no one can say he’s “dumb”
Not dumb, just wrong.
And maybe in the pocket of certain petrochemical industries.
@@wonlop469 Massie is hard to lobby with or against if you look into his background and voting block of mostly Appalachia Kentucky. A particular part of Appalachia that has an almost non existent coal industry at that. All he is saying here is that it would be nearly impossible to more than double our electric grid demand in the next 10 or so years while also turning off 60% of our grid, the fossil fuels. While I don't think anyone should blindly follow any "expert", whether that's Buttigieg or Massie, Massie's field of expertise prior to his political life should still give some merit to his argument, being an electrical engineering grad from MIT. Adding 160% more renewable energy in 10 or so years to a country as big as ours would take trillions of dollars to do; something our utility companies can't do on their own, and would further inflate the dollar if Uncle Sam foots the bill like Biden wants.
Education is not the same as intelligence.
@@TannerSwizel Again, he isn't dumb, he worded it very carefully and you bought it hook line and sinker. He did NOT say you had to double our electric grid demand. He said it would be double air conditioning. The plan is also to convert 50% of NEW CAR SALES, not all cars. It will be a small miracle if we can produce 8m EVs/year by 2030, much less replace 140m cars.
On top of that, even if it was double demand, that doesn't mean we have to double output. Go read up on the duck curve. You just need to balance load during the day and night and not only can you double the output, it's insanely cheaper to boot since you aren't running expensive peaker sources but big cheap efficient base load plants. Work needs to be done but there is no crisis. Adding air conditioning loads to the grid happened MUCH faster and was very difficult to support because it piled on top of the already peak loads. EVs make the grid better, cheaper and more stable.
@@gregb7353 six months a year my electric bill doubles due to A/C. So doubling just the A/C would mean my summer bill is quadrupled and the winter bill is tippled. Sucks,
I HAVE THE SOLUTION: To avoid building more power plants, everyone that owns an electric car(s) must charge them ONLY from solar panels or wind turbines.
Why?
That'll achieve sod all.
You do know what a solution is supposed to do?
@@Gambit771 Shh, they live in a dream world. If they were actually told the truth, they would just make more END OF THE WORLD videos.
@@Gambit771 It will make the greenies stand up and understand the realities of today. That is, a magic wand will not work and neither will just saying it. The infrastructure needs to be put in place for this to work...and it will take longer than 8 years. In effect, fossil fuels power the electric grid. As fossil fuels are eliminated what will take its place? Pretty much the only alternative is nuclear and the greenies don't like that either. Great goal but it is time to be realistic...C'mon man.
I have an even better idea, why dont we hold off on EVs until they develop a newer energy sorce to replace batteries and fossil fuel generators so you can recharge in minutes and leave rather than wait hours just for a mile or two until recharge. A Non rechargeable generator that needs no refueling or recharging at all but u swap out a core every 50 to 100 years. By then the shitty concept of EVs will be outdated, because they will have flying cars or shall I say, spaceships to travel around in, and they wont need refueling or recharging either so it would make charging stations old n unneeded. Think about that, we use Fusion power instead of electricity or fuel, nuclear power plants to power up everything and eventually we will reach the point where nuclear fusion reactors will become soo powerful, that we would have Wireless energy to supply electricity to everyone without wires or cables but thru optic wires that use light or some sort of reciever antenna that will receive the Wireless electricity produced by the Nuclear fusion reactor generators!! By this time, Warp engines and USS Enterprise ships will be the new shit, space will be where it's all going to be at. So yea why don't we just wait til we develop such technology before we replace fossil fuels!!
Lol. "I HAVE THE SOLUTION: ABANDON WHAT WORKS AND FORCE MY HYPOTHETICAL EXPENSE ON EVERYONE."
“Obviously, some of this gets outside of my lane…”. Finally, the wizard of South Bend said something truthful.
His bike lane that is... After all that's his crowning achievement as the mayor of the bustling metropolis South Bend, Indiana.
I'm English, but that turn of phrase made me LOL.
I wonder just what is this clown's lane!
@@Dreamhelmet Hershey Highway??!!! LOL!!!
@@Dreamhelmet Yeah, Pete is living in a fantasy world that threatens to take down the real world.
"...will cause pain and suffering for the middle-class..." Phew, I was worried how this might affect me.
Electric grid can't support running our current system, so let's force it to 100000x its output.
What could go wrong
Do you not maintain your house or car? Are you surprised when either of those break down?
Might be a good idea to begin upgrading the grid?
@@easternyellowjacket276 Are you serious? Ukrenians need the money LOL
Ontario, Canada. We'll pay you to take our excess energy while we pay double your rates for the privilege.
When everyone switches to EVs, then they will force you to start using buses and take your cars from you. You will own nothing and you will be happy.
"If we blindly follow these goals, it will cause pain and suffering to the middle class"
Yeah, duly noted. Let's go get lunch.
Weird how they've never cared about the middle class except in this scenario.
Exactly
@@TheChivalricKnight it's because the middle class doesn't give a shit and stands by while they do this too...
And don't worry about the devastating increase in cancer cases because the liars have told us the electromagnetic fields don't have anything to do with cancer so when it happens just deny the cause
That's the point.
Pete's plan doesn't include "the peasants" having such things as personal vehicles and climate controlled single family dwellings!
Lefties don't let details like that get in the way. I can see it now - "Kids! Get on those bikes, we need to run the fridge
awhile!"
Nor does it include such things as cost of the vehicle. I cannot afford one, if I could, it would have to be charged on a 110 outlet, which would take well over 30 hours.
@@hensonlaura Kids: But mom, my body my choice
The GOP's plan is no plan whatsoever.
Amen! Trying to push their BS 2030 Plan and force us into their cities of the future. WIth no way out but a peddle bike or on foot.
My experience with electric cars is that they have fewer moving parts, fewer parts that need periodic replacement, fewer fluids, are more reliable and because of the instant torque of electric motors perform better than gas cars. And I LOVE big gas motors. My first car was a 1967 Cougar. I replaced the original 289 (which was seized - part of how I could afford the car) with a 351. I have had 2 mustangs (4.6L and 5.0L Coyote). I am restoring a 1969 Torino. It has a Ford Racing 427 and gets about 10 mpg. But I commute to and from work in an electric car because it just makes more sense for me and saves me money - that I can use to restore my Torino.
I would love to convert a 1956 T-Bird or old convertible Ford Falcon to electric. I think either of those would be very cool and an absolute blast to drive.
Some years ago a company converted a Tesla motor and inverter into a 350 drop in replacement (yes, not gonna help a Falcon)... 500hp/800ft-lbs of torque. Granted, you'd still have to deal with batteries and controllers... and a heck of a differential. Not my cup of tea, but interesting nonetheless
I live in the country with 18 miles to nearest grocery store with adequate stocked items. There are NO charging stations within 50 miles of our location, plus I’m 100% sure our small electric company can’t support this load. It might work in the richer and larger cities and neighborhoods, but not the rest of us. And what about farm equipment that is costing 1500 to fill tanks now with diesel? We are a very long way from meeting this pipe dream.
in those "larger richer cities" they have rolling brownouts where they just turn off your electricity for part of the day because the grid can not handle the demand
Unfortunately, in most large city's garages are used for storage, people don't have driveways that can accommodate one car let alone two. Parking in front of your house is also not a given. Most people will be charging during peak hours and overnight. This is a mess. They also don't talk about how much your electric bill is going to increase.
Maybe we should instead conjure a pipeline dream.
@@eugeniaskelley5194
Good point. That doesn’t even include apartment buildings. Every complex would have to have dedicated charging stations for EACH apartment! That is an astronomical expense! Guess what would happen to the cost of renting then? The middle class wouldn’t be able to afford it, let alone the poor working class.
I live in a town of 14,000 and we are nowhere near what we need to support half of the town if we had EV'S in our town
I can only tell you from my own experience, having a Tesla from July of last year, the car is super efficient. My electric bill went up slightly and I'm not enrolled in the program since I'm still charging it from 110v (have to install the charger, plan on doing it myself). But if you listen to the point, of course the grid has to be upgraded, which it should. It's like giving everyone a new wifi laptop and not upgrading your router to handle the increase bandwidth. Also, it's the same with the incandescent light bulb, I remember vividly when Obama passed that law, I was in a Lowes and some was complaining about how they had to buy LED bulbs, I tried to explained to them, at 60watts for a $1.00 that is alot of wattages versus 7.5 watts $5.00 a bulb that last for years, it's less on the grid. They just couldn't (or should I say didn't want the change) now, you can't even find an incandescent bulb. Like someone else said with the cell phone industry, same thing. There are Americans now that still have a dial up phone. EVs are out and I love the simplicity of them, hard to put that genie back in the bottle.
Yeah, it's going to have to be upgraded regardless to handle all the AC demand from global warming anyways so it's really a bad faith point by the Republican. (what a surprise)
@444Dragoncheese 10 Mike's a day and salary is a personal matter, I am middle class, what's your point.
@444Dragoncheese nope, but it's all good
There are still people who doesn't want to use credit cards, cell phones, etc. etc.
Well I'll chime in, I have solar on my house,and I love it,no electric bill,as for electric cars,no I don't own one and wont,that said my son has the model x,and I luv it,great to drive,self driving is insain,car summoning awsum,traveling any distance,slow,to much stopping to charge,charging at home and he has level 2,slow,his electric bill,horrendous. But the real offset for me is the maintenance cost,even just for tires,repairs slow and very costly,accident repairs are 3rd party approved centers,parts take forever to get. For me the good just don't outway the bad. I've seen a stupid amount of failures on these vehicles,camera,sensors,hood trunk cable,worn out front end parts just to name a few$3000 for a set of tires,and he's on his 3rd set,get fawkin real,just don't think so,but that's JM2C
At what point did we give the federal government the right to determine what kind of car we can buy. When electric cars make sense people will buy them. Right now the tech just isn’t good enough.
Where do you live? In the United States, our government does not determine what kind of car we can buy. It must suck in your country to have that dictated to you. In the U.S. there is certainly a strong push for the adoption of electric, and we are investing in expanding the number of charging stations. But yeah, much empathy for you in your country where it sounds like they are literally forcing you to buy a product. Oh btw the tech is just fine on electric cars, and the prices have come down considerably. My friend just bought one last month and she is totally loving it.
they want to force the impossible, it's great leap forward tier delusion and is going to end in disaster
@@scott8xxx532 LOL....yeah right🙄 EVs cost more today than 3 years ago and the tech sucks because nothing is standardized. You can't even use half the charging stations out there with cars all having different sockets, different charge rates, and not to mention complete BS range estimates that are only slightly accurate at 70f with no wind. When the temp drops the range drops by 40%...that's not good tech, that's crap.
You no longer have the right to buy a car that gets 7 miles per gallon and has enough steel to protect you from hitting a tank. You haven't had that right for over fifty years.
@@scott8xxx532 Why do you guys even bother commenting? It's so obvious that you're shilling.
"My friend just bought one last month and is totally loving it." You couldn't sound more like a commercial if you tried...
Good thing I don't drive my refrigerator to work.
Totally not surprised. I had product designers present their final thesis about domestic appliances to me - and it was obvious that after 4 years of university, the connection between power, amperage and cable cross section wasn't clear to them - how should a professional politician know that charging an EV would need such an exotic thing like electricity???
Especially when the energy derives from carbon sources
Electricity can be generated by renewable sources that offset a lot of the carbon emissions. We are not getting rid of carbon emissions, but becoming carbon neutral.
@@easyenetwork2023
Lmao
No, it can't. Al non-fossil, non-fission power shouls be banned entirely and all research and developed tech destroyed. Wind, solar, and EVs are nothing more than scams propped by stupid people.
@angrysheep101 Solid state batteries and we have enough rare earth minerals in the deserts to supply us for hundreds of years.
We have enough oil to supply us with energy for hundreds of years also.
Spot on. I'd like to own an EV; probably will in several years; but technology and price need to catch up. Curious; for the millions that park on the street in a urban setting; or in an apartment complex; how is that "charge at home" going to work? It's not. Some may argue that while parking om the street never will; but that apartment complexes can work...vandalism to cut cords for the copper; or, vandalism to vehicles for sitting at the charger all night will be sure to happen.
Bleep EV's
Thank you. Someone with common sense. You know what else will be fun? Charging your electric car in the city streets when there is a blizzard and the streets get covered in 24+ inches of snow and electric cords running all over the sidewalls. What can go wrong? FEV's
That means those apartment complex will need to invest in that. I highly doubt they'll do it and if they do they will raise the prices on rent to offset the cost.
Also it will be easy for someone to vandalize them too
There are already commercial solutions that tap into the power going into the light posts running down the street. As they switch the streetlights to LED, the existing underground wiring can handle charging an EV or two. Vandalism? Well you would probably only cut that cable once, it's 240V ;). Plus Teslas have Sentry Mode which would capture any vandals on camera for easy prosecution.
@@kenfett7070 and you can’t charge when it’s too cold
Another inconvenient truth!
10 years ago, when I bought my first EV - I had just moved into a largish house with only incandescent bulbs and low efficiency appliances (like, ACs). I swapped all my bulbs for LEDs, changed my energy hungry appliances for energy efficient ones, added my car which charged only in the middle of the night, and my electric bills did not go up.
@gringott12 Probably less than he previously spent on gas. Ditto for me.
@gringott12 You should avoid posting while drunk.
Holy sh. You should run for oresident
An average family with two cars. What the heck USA? Please build train and other public transport infrastructure!
"I'm smelling a lot of "if" coming off this plan." - Jayne Cobb
Most American smell something else.
@@The_DC_Kid And what smell would that be? The smell of utter shit coming from our politicians? Or the smell of elitism from our oligarchs and celebs? Or the smell of poverty and hopelessness coming from over 50% of the population who can't even afford to live anywhere since the greediest bastards in the country took advantage of the Covid crisis to buy up all the real estate and jack up the prices? Oh, I know! The ripe smell of exploitation and absolute destruction that follows our military into at least 6 or 7 different countries that have no ability to really fight back? Which one were you thinking of and what does your country smell of?
@@CleaversVids My parents used to say stuff like "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." Same idea. The character Jayne Cobb that I quoted above had a funny version of that saying. He once said "If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak!"
And just think about how the electricity is generated.
That makes sense.
Gas muuhhhaaa
The same electricity that is used to refine gasoline. 1 gallon of gasoline refined from petroleum requires 5 kWhs of electricity from the grid. 5 kWhs of electricity put directly into an EV instead will give it 20 miles of range. So a gas car already has the emissions of an EV before it even starts up the engine and drives 1 foot just from the gasoline refinement alone.
@@flipadavis you're full of you know what. And you know it go wave you're banner somewhere else.
Ours is by hydro electric and solar. GG
This reminds me of the city in Michigan that praised themselves for the cost savings by switching out all of their traffic signals to LED from it's previous incandescent bulbs. The touted savings of electric costs and maintenance due to longer life. Unfortunately the result in the Winter the traffic signals were snow and ice covered and unreadable. This happened because while the incandescent bulbs draw more electricity they also provide heat to melt ice and snow. The local government's solution was to install heat packs onto every traffic signal which in the end cost the city more and used more electricity. Big fail.
Ummmm. LEDs ALSO get hot but only the ones as powerful as headlights. But I understand your point. Some things are DESIGNED PROPERLY the first time and any conversion lacks certain things.
If it ended up using even close to as much power yearly then that's poor implementation, the heater doesn't need to draw more than an incandescent bulb, and it doesn't need to run when there's no snow\freezing rain.
@@Alex_1A It is government...poor implementation is a synonym.
@@OffGridInvestor Correct, but it gets VERY COLD in Michigan during the winter, its called the "Lake Affect". Most places can use LEDs but that city learned a hard lesson.
Why would it draw more power? It only needs to heat to above the melting point, and then only in places it snows when it snows. And it probably wouldn't need a heater at all if you designed it correctly.
I love it when the biggest corporation on earth tells you what you have to buy from other smaller corporations when their products cost more, not to mention how much the charging stations will cost when 50% of the new cars will need them. I wonder how many of these legislators have invested in these companies??? Seems like there may be a slight conflict of interest.
In our area, the electric Co-OP limits A/C and electric water heaters by radio control at peak demands- will high use car chargers be the same?
Wtf seriously?
Yes, all night long. To keep from blowing the transformers from overload.
Electric cars can be shut off remotely just like you are seeing with your essential appliances. Your electric car will just sit and collect dust when the goverment in control decides you shouldn't be using electricity for whatever reason.
Yes. It's called load shaving. And in fact, not only can they stop giving you power, they can take it from your car's battery to help meet peak time demands.
@@Dan16673 I used to live in a town that did that. They came to the house and installed a wireless gadget so they could shut off our heat and air whenever they wanted to. Luckily, in our case, the tech was a failure and didn't connect it correctly. So the system never shut down ours a single time. :)
25 times more than the refrigerator. I think a question was missed: "And do you actually think the average American will be able to afford this electric bill?"
The Butte argument will be that the money saved on gasoline will offset the higher electric bill. The MUCH bigger issue is the impossibility of upgrading our transmission/distribution grid to the point it can handle all of this new load in the ridiculously short time period being pushed by the moron in charge.
Its not 25x or 50x He's making up the numbers. You bought them without running the numbers yourself. Its how politicians mislead the public.
This point is not valid. You will pay less on your electric bill than you would in gas. It's a cost savings for the households that choose to do it.
Unless of course the grid falls behind and the cost of electricity skyrockets and nobody can afford electricity for anything anymore. Then this is a valid point. And that is a valid possibility if we let Democrats rule the world.
25% is one quarter, not 25 times.
@@jwil4905 To convert the car fleet to al electric will take 15-20 years *if* all new vehicle sales were electric starting today. How is that a ridiculously short time frame? In addition the goal is 50% new vehicle sales electric by 2035 which means we have at least 40 years before the grid upgrades need to be complete.
You know how you could theoretically generate all that extra electricity?
Nuclear power.
Bring back the era of the atom. Nuclear is the answer to almost infinite clean energy. But America feels more inclined to dismantle nuclear power plants than it is to building new ones.
@@administratorwsv8105 Chernobyl 💀
@@Fallon755 honestly a good point we really cant trust our gov to be competent when doing anything, maybey the problem lies somewhere else...
@@mastr-sf1jv First of all no. It's not a good point. Chernobyl happened because some idiot did exactly the worst possible situation manually. Everything is automated now. Also, nuclear reactors aren't pressurized anymore. Chernobyl is physically impossible. Literally physically impossible. Let me say it a third time. It is more likely that the sun instantly becomes a giant dog in the sky then a nonpressurized nuclear reactor to explode.
Third, we have a bunch of nuclear reactors in the U.S. They are perfectly safe. They are not always the best option depending on location and water usage, but they are perfectly safe.
@@Fallon755 the disaster that happened like almost 4 decades ago where safety precautions were not the utmost priority? The last nuclear plant meltdown happened in 2011 in japan and it was because of an earthquake turned to tsunami
My sense of hearing just switches off when Buttigieg starts to speak.
“Half of cars in production” is not the same as “half of all cars sold”
It would be funny if no one bought them and just continued to use older cars until every gas station was removed
Those cars in production will eventually get sold, and then eventually get used and eventually need to be charged
@@Cellus5000 if you produce 50% of EVs, it will take 20 years to get to 50% of EVs.
Nor is it half the cars out in the population. He's throwing out the statistics as if every household would have at least 1 ev, when it is only new car sales that would have to become electric, not used cars, and you won't be forced to replace your ICE vehicle with an ev by that date.
Forreal we're still out here driving 98' camrys lmao it's not like we're having EV's shoved down our throats once 2030 comes along
I would expect.
I would think.
It’s going to need to be.
He doesn’t know.
Unqualified and unprepared
He’s in charge of transportation for this country.
Who cares in the Biden administration it is about being lbqbtrmz.They don't hire you for your qualifications.
lol why would someone have a refrigerator vs electric car data off the cuff?? lol
BECIDES the fact that his answers where ALL ACCURATE. lol
@@mikew764 Besides lol.
@@mikew764 Because if you drive a refrigerator, it would be more efficient and you wouldn't have to stop by McDonalds for lunch
But he's part of the rainbow mafia so that means he's qualified. 🤡
Representative Massie meant to say, "...it's going to cause pain and suffering to the big oil and gas producers..."
Maybe he means, it's going to cause pain and suffering to the children who are digging for the cobalt
needed for the ev
@@simsfish8728I wouldn't be so confident that the oil you use on a daily basis was ethically sourced.
@@simsfish8728 If you're concerned about Cobalt, use batteries that don't use Cobalt. Lithium iron phosphate batteries already exist and are already used in various models.
Massie is spoken for by the special interest groups that fund his political campaigns, namely the fossil fuel industry. Massie got $103,369 from the oil and gas industry..
We're still living on the sacrifices made during the Roosvelt administration. We live on an old infrastructure, but lack the will of our grandparents to create (fund) a future for our grandchildren.
Good Lord Pete is articulate.
I totally dig Massie. Logic and facts always wins!!!
He's an educated Congressman.
Like what logic and facts exactly?
Glad to see a politician not freaking out about what is happening on Twitter
@@donaldpump8882 MIT BRAHHH!!!
Meant to say Massie
Anyone with any tech background can add up the carbon cost to produce an EV, run it to its max life, and then dispose of it, and an EV is horribly carbon expensive compared to direct gasoline. To say nothing of the direct environmental devastation required to build these vehicles.
I saw something on Russel Brands channel on that, I think the non plug in hybrids came out by far the best all round from memory.
@@clintonrobinson8070 agree, there's a YT video tech guy goes through all 3 types and the hybrid edges out the gas car but just barely.
You are going to shaft the west whilst china and india and all of africa carry on regardless. No one outside of the western powers gives the tiniest crap about net zero, and they're the biggest carbon producers. If you want EVs now you need to be 100% nuclear powered as its the only carbon free energy production system. And the lefties won't let the west go nuclear, in fact, it's going backwards.
Yeah but a small group in on the ground floor are going to make money and they could care less about the fallout
If you wish to compare the cars only, without comparing where the energy that moves comes from, then one might end up with a disingenious comparrison.
Has anybody calculated the "carbon cost" of the hydrocorbon industry (oil/gas/LPG/etc.), and added that to the carbon cost of producing a car with an internal combustion engine?
This is the same “Electric Czar” that was caught driving to work in DC, getting out and getting on a bicycle the rest of the way, so he’d look like he was doing the right thing.
Yeah, using a gas guzzling, full sized SUV no less. LMFAO this guy is a joke and needs more maternity leave.
Aw I commented that. Lol still a funny story.
Was that before he took 2 months 'maternity leave' during the transportation crisis! What a life!
Yep, same Booty…🤮
Nah screw cars. We need better public infrastructure
You have to love that the people making the decisions have absolutely no idea what the numbers are. Their all-in and this technology is going to consume energy than gasoline run cars...... making electric also requires gasoline.
That’s why they were selected.
I watched a video a couple weeks ago where the guy was saying it only takes an additional 1 trillion KW of production to cover everyone driving an electric car.
It sounded good until you factor in that the whole idea is to move away from fossil fuels which would cut electric production by 4 trillion KW.
Also, to your point, it takes coke to make the steel needed for the cars as well as wind turbines. Coke comes from crude oil and coal. Not to mention all the extra materials like copper and lithium that have to be mined. Somehow that eludes greenies.
And they made that decision not understanding if people could actually afford all of it. It would be 25 refrigerators more electricity per one electric car hence, 50 refrigerators more electricity cost added to your electric bill after you shelled out $110,000 for 2 electric cars. By 2035, approximately 50% of us will be FORCED to make that decision or suffer devastating consequences. For me, I am of the opinion that Biden and Buttigieg can shove it up their bums.
Right and i dont believe that how much electricity is being used is really the real issue here, its the african slave labor, the dismantlement of the US energy, while the East continues to increase theirs. Being big green will result in economic collaspe codependency on eastern dictators energy much like Western Europe.
Buttigieg was only selected for his position because he likes to have sex with men. He is not qualified to be secretary of transportation but he ticks a certain box for this administration.
I know right. Doesn't everyone remember how in the 60's President Kennedy said we should put a man on the moon by the end of the decade. And then everyone complained about how we didn't have the infrastructure in place to do that so we didn't? Remember, that's definitely how that went.
What? We went to the moon six times!
@Realist
NO! Six times!
Also recall that in the 90s they said we should have a goal to have faster internet, but the infrastructure wasn't there to support that; so that's why we all use dial-up modems at 28.8 kbps.
@@grumbles lol wow what a comparison! Setting a goal for “Faster Internet”, didn’t result in a bunch of unqualified leftards, who’re trying to totally change the country’s infrastructure overnight, because some Swedish kid with a nervous tick told everyone that it was the right thing to do!
@@grumbles You have 28.8? Damn. I'm still on 14.4.
I'm assuming they intentionally compared apples and oranges. A car charging and a fridge / air condition running use power at very different intervals. Cars charging can largely be scheduled for night times while the others can't. There is more than 1 simple variable...
It's intentional as the guys won't listen to Pete's answer.
99.999% of people charge their car at night because its "cheaper". so if every household charges their cars at night it, the grid still wouldnt be able to handle it. its not really comparing apples to oranges when electricity is electricity.
It’s more like comparing to modern day wood prices, u need the wood for a chair and a house well if ur building too many chairs u build less house. Simple micro economics honestly
@@SpooxyCowboy1911 If you increase the number of e-cars, the CURRENT grids won't be able to handle it. That's why you'll also need to prepare and increase the electricity production, e.g. increase solar energy. But the guy wouldn't listen and keep assuming that we will increase the number of e-cars but the grid power still the same. Comparing the future consumption rate to the current production rate. But the GOPs can't go through with clean energy because 1) their check from oil corps will stop, 2) dumb GOP like MTG thinks once you go solar energy, you'll have no power once the sun set.
Republican politicians are NOT physicists!
Incredibly based Pete, ready to answer every question with a well considered answer.
I kept waiting for him to ask "And where is this electricity going to come from? How is this electricity going to be produced?"
Me too! Most important question!!!
It won't be solar or wind. You can bet on that.
@@madelainepetrin1430 I'm pretty sure Pete's answer would have been Unicorn Farts, liquidized rainbow's
By electricity of course- Joey Biden 2024
It's produced by imagination duh.
Dude never listened to the answer. Pete said it, it's not ready right now so we have to do something. The point of goals is to get things done. Have ambitious goals and get lots done.
Doing something means R&D, not deploy first find solutions later.
Pete is a knucklehead. Can't change and won't try as he is so arrogant about his own infallibility. Gavin Newsome is in the same boat. We don't have enough electricity now in California but we are banning gas stoves in new construction and mandating electric cars. The only large infrastructure project is for an electric train no one will use. We have removed Hydro and Nuclear plants while demand increases. When this comes home to roost l hope people remember they voted for this.
The guy made no points he just threw out random stats and tried to deliver rehearsed one liners for Twitter clips. The “electric cars require 50x more energy than a refrigerator” line is completely useless for analyzing the situation. The cost of recharging a battery for EVs is much cheaper than gas even before the price spikes and as technology improves that trend will only continue. Improving the electrical grid has been done time and time again as electrical demand has increased, don’t know why that would suddenly stop. Some politicians just want to retard innovation.
It is ready right now. They don't bring up the grid is under much less load at night when cars charge and you don't need to charge a car everynight. I charge my Tesla model once every 3 or 4 nights. I am now spending 5x less or better on "fuel" than a gas car.
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Imagine having a long blackout and staring at your family's cars sitting useless in the driveway; can't get to work, school, the grocery store, doctor, etc. Now imagine it during a natural disaster when you'd like to evacuate. There are places that frequently have 1-3 day long blackouts and it's nearly impossible to have your own backup supply like you can with gasoline.
I've lived through two earthquakes where we had no power for days.. Which meant NO GAS STATIONS COULD PUMP GAS in that period. I've also lived in Ca. where they are forced to shut down power because of the threat of roving blackouts due to heat, and fire danger due to aging infrastructure and climate change. Now imagine having solar on your house, or a battery pack in your house so you don't rely on the aging power grid. You supply your own power. Then magically look! No dependency on foreign oil, cleaner air, not having to be reliant on energy companies or oil companies for your house, or transportation. Oh right you can't imagine that because you still support technology that's over 100 years old and have no imagination.
@@doug6723 Nice try troll.
And this is why i have 2 vehicles. Ive got a lttle Cadillac ELR hybrid for drivng to work and runnin around town. Plus i have a 88 Chevy K10 Blazer with a Duramax diesel engine (for the sustainable fuel reasons) for winter driving and summer camping trips. NEVER LIMIT YOURSELF IN ANYWAY.
@@doug6723 electric cars predate gasoline cars (by 7 or so decades), and have the same issues now as they had then, so in fact you are supporting the antiquated technology that couldn't win out on it's own with a 70ish year head start. Electric cars do not really work for the overwhelming majority of people and uses that currently get address by ICE. No amount of government cajoling, and E fanboy trolling will make it happen. If it's a better solution the market will adopt it. If it's not (it's not) it won't (it hasn't). Let those that think electric cars fit their needs buy them, but attempting to manipulate energy markets to force a premature shift is criminal, and very ill-advised.
@@DonziGT230 Oh you're so tender. So you consider facts, logic, evidence are trolling? Got it!
The amount of electricity used is a bad measurement. As long as peak demand doesn't exceed production capacity, there isn't an issue. A lot of cars already have the built-in ability to limit their charging to non-peak hours to reduce costs. They primarily charge at night, when air conditioners aren't running as much. On top of that, better public transportation would help alleviate strain on the grid by reducing how much people drive and the need to charge, or even own, an electric vehicle at all.