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Apparently when the F-16A first came out, Dassault and France were extremely annoyed that it was getting so many sales in Europe compared to the F1. Yeah the Viper did flashy dogfight stuff, but it had no radar-guided missiles! So they went and designed the Mirage 2000 to match the Viper in WVR and continue to beat it in BVR. Then the AIM-120 and C-model happened, and suddenly the Viper was ACTUALLY a world-beating monster. So I guess what I'm saying is, I'd like to see what a Mirage F1 with full armament can do against a Viper rocking AIM-9L only in a BVR setup. 80s style. We're Dassault right, or just salty?
In all likelihood, if the F-16 pilot stays defensive and in or close to the notch and allows the F.1 to close the gap for them, the match is still very much in favor of the F-16. Though the F.1 does have a chance if the F-16 decides to get a bit too aggressive prior to merge
All of the "lightweight" fighters including the F-104, Mirage III, F-8 Crusader, Gnat, F-5, to F-16 suffered from having a nose that was too small for a powerful radar. For a long time, a larger diameter radar was a better radar and it wasn't until the mid-80s that there was enough signal processing power to make a smaller diameter radar that had decent performance. The Mirage F1's Cyrano radar wasn't spectacular and many customers elected to not buy the 530 missiles due to their weight and poor performance.
I live close to Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, there are four Mirage F1's owned by ATAC that fly as aggressors against the F16s and F35s that are stationed there. Always nice to see them taking off on burner!
Draken also has F1s they were flying as aggressors out of Nellis when I worked there last year. But last I heard they are no longer allowed to fly then or something happened to them after the one crashed in Vegas.
The F-1C/E initially had an advantage over the F-16A. The former carried the Super 530 MRAAM, whereas the F-16 only had the AIM-9. Interestingly, there were two attempts to make the F-1 more competitive: the South African defense industry tested a "Super Mirage F-1" that was equipped with the RD-33 engine, and the French did something similar with an F-1 fitted with a M53 engine. Both programs ultimately failed to produce production orders.
Glad you mentioned the SNECMA M53 engine. Dassault developed the M53-engined F.1E specifically for the same European fighter contract that the F-16A won. It would have been interesting to see if the more powerful F.1E would have a chance against the F-16A.
Also note that F1 is from 1966 and F16 is from 1974; a generation is between them. Italian version of F104 is from same date. Mig 23 is from 1967 it is more in pair with that generation of fighter.
0:43 Yes this is what they do. My dad is learning to fly the mirage F 1 right now in order to train the Air Force. he mainly fights against F 15s and F 16s. For the last few years he has flow A4 Skyhawks against them, and he still wins most of the time, which I find hilarious. he said what he most looks forward to in the f1 is it's speed. He said he can just run away from a lot of planes. But at the same time, he said the French were poor designers with their cockpit and control designs, which he has to learn to use.
@@prateekmahapatra1789 Skill. These pilots are brand new, and my dad is one of the best US fighter pilots still flying. They also do more than dogfights, although he wins in those too. They also do complex combat scenarios with live bombs and other stuff that I don't fully know about. He mainly uses the A4 to sneak by everyone low, bomb, and run away. But when he gets into dogfights, he can win using his fighter pilot skill from years flying the F 18. He has also flow against raptors.
@@braedynhoward3644 damn u must feel lucky to such a father who flew so amny aircrafts , my knowledge of A4s come from them being an more of a strike/bomber aircrafts which are a fat as a pig and no where near manuerable as modern jets . Am in high school , kinda wish to be a pilot for my country .
@@prateekmahapatra1789 - What you need to keep in mind with any aircraft is that there are holes in their flight performance. They aren't perfectly balanced across the entire spectrum. Some don't do well at slow-speed maneuvers, some don't do well with high-speed maneuvers, some don't do well with high angles of attack, some have great initial climb rates but poor sustained climb rates, and some have great acceleration but poor top speed. So every pilot doing Dissimilar Air Combat Training is trying to force their enemy into playing to your strengths and their weaknesses. Having aircraft with dissimilar performances is a great learning tool to train new pilots because they don't know for certain what they might end up facing in combat so they have to be ready for anything and recognize when they are being lured into a fight that puts them at a disadvantage and how to leverage their aircraft's strengths to survive. The A-4 is a really good aircraft for simulation because it has very good low-speed performance.
I'm an A&P mechanic that worked at a branch location of my company locally at an airport that also hosts a company that does exactly this. They have two mirage F1s and provide the "OP FOR" for both USAF and US NAVY fighters in the local area. Those things are super loud and damn fast. Always fun to see them get out and mess around a bit before heading off to play games. 👍
This fight also happened over the aegean seas in the 90's when the greeks still used F1's in intercepting turkish F-16s away from greek airspace. One dogfight actually ended in a roller to the deck (overseas) and the turkish F-16 didn't pull up in time. With the pilot ejecting and only a few injuries it didn't end in tragedy but a pretty interesting story. Also in round 1 the F1 pilot reminded me of a similar incident that happened on my island's shores where an F1 had an engine failure low over a city. He maneuvered it himself off ashore but when he tried to eject the system malfunctioned and he ended up in the sea sacrificing himself. He ended up close to the local airport,but cause he didnt wanna risk an emergency landing failing, and the plane crashing into houses nearby, he went for the sea.
Very precise comment, Greek Mirage F1 vs Turkish F-16 had happened a lot of times over the Aegean from 1987 until 2003 one Greek pilot died soutn of island Agios Eustratios in 1992 he refused to disengage from the dogfight as the Turk was in his six and crashed in sea, the Turkish invader for a while didn't had the same fate. Mirage F1 was the best fighter over Aegean from 1975 untill 1987 it could very easily be on the six of Turkish F-4E and Greek Air Force used on Mirage F1 heat seeking missiles AIM-9 Sidewinder (not a word for French missiles). The Greeks after the appearance of Turkish F-16 made tactics in which could win under circumstances Turkish F-16 and they had a maneuver kill of a Turkish F-16 south of island Karpathos at 8/2/95 All these untill 1990 when Greek F-16 Blk 30 appeared in companion with Greek Mirage 2000 and took the upper hand.
Yes we do use the Mirage F1 as an aggressor to train our pilots. The Mirage F1 is flown by the contractor Draken. They also fly the L-159 which is pretty much the L-39 and they fly the A-4s as well. Here at Nellis our F16 pilots train to become essentially what everyone knows as a "Fighter Pilot" hence Nellis being refered to as "the place where fighter pilots are born". Our pilots will go off and become mission commanders, have the opportunity to become IPs themselves here, along with many other opportunities. Great video GS.
The F1 is an interesting jet because with most 4th gen fighters onwards you can get away with mediocre fighting geometry, as they are designed to be very forgiving with AoA. The F1 is not that way; it can be a good fighter if you manage your energy correctly and utilize the right tactics, but it is still a 3rd gen fighter and is not forgiving in AoA, engine management, and coordination. Using the vertical with the F1's acceleration to regain altitude, employment of high/low yoyo to your advantage, boom and zoom tactics suited for this type of fighter, and proper rudder usage at low speeds are going to be integral to the success in gun fights.
You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting. Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.
In Spain, we had the F-1 and the F-18 before the Mirages squadrons transitioned to the Eurofighter. Some F-18 pilots used to tell that a well handled F-1 could put into troubles an F-18. Also it's true that our version (F-1M) was the most advance F-1 ever existed, with great ECM and electronics upgraded by national companies. If the develipers of the Mirage finaly brings the "M" variant would be great to see this match.
i go fishing at Tyndall bridge a few times every week, the F16 and Mirage F1 fly together very regularly. I could not figure out what they were for months. they are so cool to watch in person but i was so excited to see your first video with the Mirage F1. This video is the visual to what i get to listen to on my front porch throughout the day. last month i saw multiple rare formations with the Mirage-F1. ( F22 /F35 /F18 /F15 /F16 /A10 /Mirage F1) flying in groups of 4.
You can see the advantage when you were flying the F-16 just in how you got behind him, but then to watch it from the other side, it really shows how much the F-16 is truly flying circles around the F-1
The way the F1 almost dead stops into a violent Cobra when hit, sorta surprised any pilot ever stayed conscious enough to get out of one! Btw love the F1 aggressor camo skin.
I noticed the two airports on the ground have their flight paths towards each other. Also liked that first kill. You sent it barreling towards that beachfront resort.
As a child I built an F16 model plane. I loved the design and look of it at that time. I once read that the F16 was the Porsche of fighter planes. I guess because of its performance and agility.
As strange as this sounds an airforce security detail had an accident with a parked F1 at Luke AFB. The nose/radome went through the windshield of the truck.
Love these Guam maps vids my bro definitely been a long time fan seeing the map on your vids are awesome. Lol need more long shot videos and bloopers 😂
I think out of our digi paint schemes the white looks the best. The tan/black is alright, but the black/white/grey definitely fits the Draken colors best.
hey growling sidewinder! i've been watching your videos for a few months now and really enjoy them. i want to get into dcs but i am a little uncertain about what i need to get other than a hotas system. i was wondering if you (or anyone who plays dcs and is reading this comment) have any pointers or suggestions. thanks again for your awesome content!
I'm not sure what modules are available for DCS, but it's obvious the Mirage F1 is toast against pretty much any 4th gen fighter. I'd be curious how it would do against something closer to its technology level, like a MiG-23, a Viggen or an F-4E. The F-5 might also be an interesting match up in WVR.
Could you make bfm fights video where kill doesn't count if shot aircraft hits building? The victim needs to steer the jet into place where is no buildings or civilian activity. I thought it would be interesting and maybe challenging
Crashing into a hospital might be a good idea. Dont have to travel far to find a doctor, beds are right there (all over the place). As for the Mirage's final resting place, I think it might have been a golf course. In which case, it killed 4 players and 4 caddies on the 12th. Does a crashed fighter jet count a GUR or a natural hazard?
@3:45 *Ace Combat 4 Guitar Plays* One fleeing plane fell out of the skies, spiraling and spewing orange flames to crash by the cape. The same cape where my family lived. Now they only live in my memories of days past. The victor circled around to confirm the kill. And on his craft there was a large "Like and Subscribe" with a Sidewinder insignia emblazoned in yellow. I will never forget this.
So, that 2nd and 3rd fight ending, both times the F1 looked like it had pushed "the cobra button." Out of curiosity, what needs to happen to the flight surfaces to make that happen? Like, is it technically ably to cobra but then departs flight, or is it a situation that you can't replicate unless control cables/ hydraulics are compromised? Anyone know?
There's an FLCS override switch in the M2000 that basically gives you full authority over the control surfaces. It's only supposed to be used in case you somehow manage to put the jet into a flat spin (it's labeled "Vrille", which is spin in French) I'm not familiar with the F1 at all, but I'd assume that even though it's not FBW, there would be some computer assistance to prevent you from departing controlled flight. And if that's the case, there's definitely an override switch, probably somewhere on the lower left of the cockpit forward of the throttle like in the M2K. (I'm french btw, sry in case my answer is a bit messy)
Modern Fighter jets are typically designed to be dynamically unstable - that is they are not inherently stable aircraft, ie: it takes a flight control computer to control the plane - the pilot just tells the FCS where he wants to go, The FCS flies the plane. Hundreds of control inputs per second. Faster than a human can react. You kill the FCS with gunfire, or gimp enough of the control surfaces that the FCS can't handle adjusting for the natural lack of stability in the design... and the aircraft will depart. Since these planes are designed with a center of mass with a center of lift pretty much right on the center of mass, or even slightly forward of it - typically if the plane departs and is still carrying much in the way of airspeed, it has a tendency to pitch nose up violently in a stall, scrub airspeed, drop the nose back down to horizontal and then fall out of the sky like a leaf falling from a tree, usually with a rotational component about the yaw axis - the dreaded flat spin. Sudden and severe Damage to the hydraulic system in its entirety can cause a similar violent pitch up stall, since without any stabilizing input from the pilot or FCS even if both are intact - the aircraft will tend to pitch up violently. Usually the hydraulic systems have some redundancy, but the backups can get hit too. Occasionally, when the pilot bails out and takes a couple hundred pounds of pilot, seat, and gear with him - it changes the CG of the plane enough and it stabilizes and wanders off without a pilot till it crashes (that's probably what happened in the first fight) sometimes the opposite happens - the plane is a dead stick but still flying somewhat straight and level, the pilot bails out, the CG shifts aft and the plane violently departs, pitch up - and falls out of the sky in a flat spin.
If I remember correctly, there have been interviews with F-16 and F-35 pilots. On those they say the F-35 wins. Don't compare what you see the F-35 do in DCS with reality. The F-35 in DCS is a reskinned F-15.
Not that it is available but I would love to see any comparison or simulation between the KAI TA-50/FA-50 and the F-16. Just to see what the capability gap might be.
We have a Mirage F1 from early 70s and a modernized F16 from at least 90's. Is it possible to have plan put on the same level (both on a version from 70s or both on 2000's standards ?
Woww... Nice video. Good fight. it is obvious that the mirage f-1 is outclassed against the f-16. You know what, Mirage is one of my fave jet fighter. I know this fighter from comic book (Michel) Tanguy and (Ernest) Laverdure. Any one know that comic?
Can't see a way for the F-1 to avoid being downed. Maybe a very experienced Mirage jockey that can skid at the edge of departure all day long? Dunno. The performance differential is too great.
The Aggressor aircraft used to train US pilots are the Israeli F-21 Kfir, not the Mirage. Similar aircraft, the Kfir is a knockoff of the Mirage. ATAC is a civilian contract company that flies them and the Hawker Hunters as Aggressor aircraft for missions supporting TOPGUN training and others.
@@GrowlingSidewinder the Luke F-1's are from ATAC, they might have 1 or 2 of their Mirage 3's there. @Cg23sailor ATAC has F-1's and Kfir's. Kfir's are basically Cheetah's, both of which are mirage 3 platforms and are actually much more capable or modernized compared to most F-1's. Though all (f1 and M3) have massive maintenance issues/hard to keep flying. Draken also has an F-1 fleet. Many more F-1's in the air as aggressors than Kfir/cheetah/mirage3s between the two main red-air companies.
Btw, can u make Mirage F-1 vs Sepecat Jaguar, Mirage F-1 vs Super Ettendart and Mirage F-1 vs Panavia Tornado... Jaguar vs Tornado or Jaguar vs Ettendart.. I am just curious which fighter is best. 😀😀😀
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Can you please do a kill challenge that how many planes can you kill in one macht
Please
This is my second time asking this it would be really cool and challenging
F-22 VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR
F-35 VS MIG-31 BVR
looked like he waited to eject until he was over the water, avoiding the buildings. good man.
Ejected over the water like a gentleman
I know a pilot that risked his life to bring out a burning mig 29 from above the city
@@zsomborfapal2239 In my country a pilot gave his life so he didn't fly in a school.
@@Rudysmismans eternal respect for that pilot. A true hero
Apparently when the F-16A first came out, Dassault and France were extremely annoyed that it was getting so many sales in Europe compared to the F1. Yeah the Viper did flashy dogfight stuff, but it had no radar-guided missiles! So they went and designed the Mirage 2000 to match the Viper in WVR and continue to beat it in BVR. Then the AIM-120 and C-model happened, and suddenly the Viper was ACTUALLY a world-beating monster.
So I guess what I'm saying is, I'd like to see what a Mirage F1 with full armament can do against a Viper rocking AIM-9L only in a BVR setup. 80s style. We're Dassault right, or just salty?
In all likelihood, if the F-16 pilot stays defensive and in or close to the notch and allows the F.1 to close the gap for them, the match is still very much in favor of the F-16. Though the F.1 does have a chance if the F-16 decides to get a bit too aggressive prior to merge
All of the "lightweight" fighters including the F-104, Mirage III, F-8 Crusader, Gnat, F-5, to F-16 suffered from having a nose that was too small for a powerful radar. For a long time, a larger diameter radar was a better radar and it wasn't until the mid-80s that there was enough signal processing power to make a smaller diameter radar that had decent performance. The Mirage F1's Cyrano radar wasn't spectacular and many customers elected to not buy the 530 missiles due to their weight and poor performance.
@@Real_Claudy_Focan Hope to see Viggen vs Mirage F1 on this channel, both very capable.
The only thing salty here is an F16 trying to dogfight the M2000 in DCS
Even before Mirage 2000 Dassault tried do upgrade F1 to make it more attractive as all-european fighter by installing M53 turbofan engine in it.
3:00 Blessed shotgun steering to the water before bailing out
A dogfight between the Mirage F1 and the F-5 would be quite interesting, I think.
mirage F1 is an interceptor, so is not good as dogfighter, is like comparing a submarine and a aircraft carrier...
@@Rik915Sksel F-5 también es un interceptor sólo que es un caza ligero.
I live close to Luke Air Force Base in Arizona, there are four Mirage F1's owned by ATAC that fly as aggressors against the F16s and F35s that are stationed there. Always nice to see them taking off on burner!
I was getting ready to say I see Mirage’s taking off from Luke.
Draken also has F1s they were flying as aggressors out of Nellis when I worked there last year. But last I heard they are no longer allowed to fly then or something happened to them after the one crashed in Vegas.
The F-1C/E initially had an advantage over the F-16A. The former carried the Super 530 MRAAM, whereas the F-16 only had the AIM-9. Interestingly, there were two attempts to make the F-1 more competitive: the South African defense industry tested a "Super Mirage F-1" that was equipped with the RD-33 engine, and the French did something similar with an F-1 fitted with a M53 engine. Both programs ultimately failed to produce production orders.
Glad you mentioned the SNECMA M53 engine. Dassault developed the M53-engined F.1E specifically for the same European fighter contract that the F-16A won. It would have been interesting to see if the more powerful F.1E would have a chance against the F-16A.
Also note that F1 is from 1966 and F16 is from 1974; a generation is between them. Italian version of F104 is from same date. Mig 23 is from 1967 it is more in pair with that generation of fighter.
@@inwedavid6919 f1 was introduced in 1973 no?
"he's leaking something here." Yeah man, he was leaking control surfaces!
0:43 Yes this is what they do. My dad is learning to fly the mirage F 1 right now in order to train the Air Force. he mainly fights against F 15s and F 16s. For the last few years he has flow A4 Skyhawks against them, and he still wins most of the time, which I find hilarious. he said what he most looks forward to in the f1 is it's speed. He said he can just run away from a lot of planes. But at the same time, he said the French were poor designers with their cockpit and control designs, which he has to learn to use.
how can A4s win against f 16s nd f 15s .
@@prateekmahapatra1789
Fly defensive, force them to get cocky, impatient and overconfident, eventually the mistake will occur.
@@prateekmahapatra1789 Skill. These pilots are brand new, and my dad is one of the best US fighter pilots still flying. They also do more than dogfights, although he wins in those too. They also do complex combat scenarios with live bombs and other stuff that I don't fully know about. He mainly uses the A4 to sneak by everyone low, bomb, and run away. But when he gets into dogfights, he can win using his fighter pilot skill from years flying the F 18. He has also flow against raptors.
@@braedynhoward3644 damn u must feel lucky to such a father who flew so amny aircrafts , my knowledge of A4s come from them being an more of a strike/bomber aircrafts which are a fat as a pig and no where near manuerable as modern jets . Am in high school , kinda wish to be a pilot for my country .
@@prateekmahapatra1789 - What you need to keep in mind with any aircraft is that there are holes in their flight performance. They aren't perfectly balanced across the entire spectrum. Some don't do well at slow-speed maneuvers, some don't do well with high-speed maneuvers, some don't do well with high angles of attack, some have great initial climb rates but poor sustained climb rates, and some have great acceleration but poor top speed. So every pilot doing Dissimilar Air Combat Training is trying to force their enemy into playing to your strengths and their weaknesses. Having aircraft with dissimilar performances is a great learning tool to train new pilots because they don't know for certain what they might end up facing in combat so they have to be ready for anything and recognize when they are being lured into a fight that puts them at a disadvantage and how to leverage their aircraft's strengths to survive. The A-4 is a really good aircraft for simulation because it has very good low-speed performance.
I'm an A&P mechanic that worked at a branch location of my company locally at an airport that also hosts a company that does exactly this. They have two mirage F1s and provide the "OP FOR" for both USAF and US NAVY fighters in the local area. Those things are super loud and damn fast. Always fun to see them get out and mess around a bit before heading off to play games. 👍
This fight also happened over the aegean seas in the 90's when the greeks still used F1's in intercepting turkish F-16s away from greek airspace. One dogfight actually ended in a roller to the deck (overseas) and the turkish F-16 didn't pull up in time. With the pilot ejecting and only a few injuries it didn't end in tragedy but a pretty interesting story.
Also in round 1 the F1 pilot reminded me of a similar incident that happened on my island's shores where an F1 had an engine failure low over a city. He maneuvered it himself off ashore but when he tried to eject the system malfunctioned and he ended up in the sea sacrificing himself. He ended up close to the local airport,but cause he didnt wanna risk an emergency landing failing, and the plane crashing into houses nearby, he went for the sea.
Very precise comment, Greek Mirage F1 vs Turkish F-16 had happened a lot of times over the Aegean from 1987 until 2003 one Greek pilot died soutn of island Agios Eustratios in 1992 he refused to disengage from the dogfight as the Turk was in his six and crashed in sea, the Turkish invader for a while didn't had the same fate.
Mirage F1 was the best fighter over Aegean from 1975 untill 1987 it could very easily be on the six of Turkish F-4E and Greek Air Force used on Mirage F1 heat seeking missiles AIM-9 Sidewinder (not a word for French missiles).
The Greeks after the appearance of Turkish F-16 made tactics in which could win under circumstances Turkish F-16 and they had a maneuver kill of a Turkish F-16 south of island Karpathos at 8/2/95
All these untill 1990 when Greek F-16 Blk 30 appeared in companion with Greek Mirage 2000 and took the upper hand.
Yes we do use the Mirage F1 as an aggressor to train our pilots. The Mirage F1 is flown by the contractor Draken. They also fly the L-159 which is pretty much the L-39 and they fly the A-4s as well. Here at Nellis our F16 pilots train to become essentially what everyone knows as a "Fighter Pilot" hence Nellis being refered to as "the place where fighter pilots are born". Our pilots will go off and become mission commanders, have the opportunity to become IPs themselves here, along with many other opportunities.
Great video GS.
Is that because they can’t get their hands on Russian jets for parts and upkeep. I mean Russian jets would be the most likely opponents
@@SupaMan2122 i think they have mig-29s and su-27s too
The F1 is an interesting jet because with most 4th gen fighters onwards you can get away with mediocre fighting geometry, as they are designed to be very forgiving with AoA. The F1 is not that way; it can be a good fighter if you manage your energy correctly and utilize the right tactics, but it is still a 3rd gen fighter and is not forgiving in AoA, engine management, and coordination. Using the vertical with the F1's acceleration to regain altitude, employment of high/low yoyo to your advantage, boom and zoom tactics suited for this type of fighter, and proper rudder usage at low speeds are going to be integral to the success in gun fights.
You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting.
Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.
I was just thinking almost exactly the same thing!
Keep up the comments mah man !
Sidewinder surely reads them and he's testing your persistence lol
Keep it up man I want to see the same thing. GS will see your dedication and I would bet he will do because he loves his fans.
In Spain, we had the F-1 and the F-18 before the Mirages squadrons transitioned to the Eurofighter. Some F-18 pilots used to tell that a well handled F-1 could put into troubles an F-18. Also it's true that our version (F-1M) was the most advance F-1 ever existed, with great ECM and electronics upgraded by national companies. If the develipers of the Mirage finaly brings the "M" variant would be great to see this match.
When GS said he was going to try and get out of plane to avoid the shot, I wasn't expecting an ejection.
i go fishing at Tyndall bridge a few times every week, the F16 and Mirage F1 fly together very regularly. I could not figure out what they were for months. they are so cool to watch in person but i was so excited to see your first video with the Mirage F1. This video is the visual to what i get to listen to on my front porch throughout the day.
last month i saw multiple rare formations with the Mirage-F1. ( F22 /F35 /F18 /F15 /F16 /A10 /Mirage F1) flying in groups of 4.
My base , Luke in Arizona has f-16, f-35, and F1s. They all fly training missions against each other all day long. So this is a very common matchup.
It's cool being and F1 mech here working on the jets we do what he was talking about with. Pretty nuts.
How do you evaluate the f1 from your point of view?
I still want to see a fight betveen the F-16 and the Jas 39 Gripen....
Loving the paint scheme on the F16. The Bats were stationed in Sioux City right in my back yard. They used to dogfight over our area all the time.
You can see the advantage when you were flying the F-16 just in how you got behind him, but then to watch it from the other side, it really shows how much the F-16 is truly flying circles around the F-1
The instant GS went to the deck, I 'm all "he's stuck in a rate fight with the Viper. He's toast."
In the 1970s the danish airforce consider the Mirage F-1, but they went with the F16 in 1980
Insurance costs must be skyrocketing where and when GS is doing dogfight and stuff! 🤣🤣🤣
These old Mirages weird me out since I really strongly associated the name with the big deltas from the III and later designs.
You’re 100% correct that he was leaking something, he pissed himself from how quickly you shot him down ha ha ha!
The way the F1 almost dead stops into a violent Cobra when hit, sorta surprised any pilot ever stayed conscious enough to get out of one!
Btw love the F1 aggressor camo skin.
I noticed the two airports on the ground have their flight paths towards each other.
Also liked that first kill. You sent it barreling towards that beachfront resort.
If the F16 loses…Then I question the pilots skill
This battle (f1 vs f16) used to happen over the Aegean sea as well. Greeks would send their f1s to intercept Turkish f16s.
Αδελφε μου τά περισσοτερα παλικαρια εκει εξω δεν εχουν ιδεα τι ζουμε εμεις καθημερινα στο ΑΙΓΑΙΟ ΜΑΣ τα τελευταια σχεδον 50 χρονια
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The F-1 surely got clubbed in this matchup.
Now let's see if the F-1s life expectancy against a Hornet is shorter than it is against the Viper.
As a child I built an F16 model plane. I loved the design and look of it at that time. I once read that the F16 was the Porsche of fighter planes. I guess because of its performance and agility.
We really need the MiG-23 as a peer adversary for the F1. F-16C's avionics are just massively more effective.
I love to see both sides in one Video! Great job, great video :)
I was wanting to see this fight for a while, thanks.
Could we please have some videos with the Indian Flanker.
As strange as this sounds an airforce security detail had an accident with a parked F1 at Luke AFB. The nose/radome went through the windshield of the truck.
Yep, this fight happens in Southern New Mexico where they teach new pilots to fly the viper at Holloman AFB.
"If I can react in time to jink this shot-"
WHAP WHAP WHAP WHAP WHAP
Well, so much for THAT idea...
Now this I like. Seeing the F-16 shred the shiny new F-1.
F1 Mirages are Flown by Defense Contractor "DRAKEN" out of Luke AFB in Arizona Against F-16s and F-35s
F-22 Raptor VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR
F-35 VS MIG-31 BVR
That’s gotta be the worst just the anxiety trying not to crash land a jet into civilization
Would of liked to see you in the F-1. The F-16 is so dominant
You didn't watch the whole video did you.
Love these Guam maps vids my bro definitely been a long time fan seeing the map on your vids are awesome. Lol need more long shot videos and bloopers 😂
I think out of our digi paint schemes the white looks the best. The tan/black is alright, but the black/white/grey definitely fits the Draken colors best.
Seeing that fight from the F1 perspective Id have bailed out after getting sucked into that 2 circle
As far as visibility, it always amazes me when I go from flying the P47D-22 Razorback to the P51D. Like holy shit.
Love the switching of the jets!
Request 9 of 13: GS in the F/A-18C vs a buddy in the Mustang or Spitfire!
Well the F-16 is happy to take the F1 one circle. That's all you have to know!
hey growling sidewinder! i've been watching your videos for a few months now and really enjoy them. i want to get into dcs but i am a little uncertain about what i need to get other than a hotas system. i was wondering if you (or anyone who plays dcs and is reading this comment) have any pointers or suggestions. thanks again for your awesome content!
Hi Liam I made this video for people just like you, I hope you find it helpful th-cam.com/video/cjRfa7rGr4M/w-d-xo.html
"Practice your BFM"...... is that the latest Euphemism for baby seal clubbing?
I love your laugh. Cracks me up when you blast someone and start chuckling. Classic!!!!!
Day 24 of asking for a YF-23 vs. MiG-31 BVR fight
We need a do-over of the Tomcat video. Get Shotgun in there, or at least someone who can do the big cat justice.
Su-57 v F-22 BVR!
They fail to find each other.
The 65th Aggressor Squadron (activated on 6 Jun 22) will soon be using the F-35 as a J-20 stand in at NellisAFB. Should be interesting...
This fight has also happened many times outside US, in a specific part of the world.
Seems like GS fought this differently than against the F-14 (which he dominated).
That was a park not a field! Now my dog is traumaeised and every time she hears a aircraft she runs and has to hide under the bed!
I'm not sure what modules are available for DCS, but it's obvious the Mirage F1 is toast against pretty much any 4th gen fighter. I'd be curious how it would do against something closer to its technology level, like a MiG-23, a Viggen or an F-4E. The F-5 might also be an interesting match up in WVR.
am I the only one who's always looking for the golf courses?
Could you make bfm fights video where kill doesn't count if shot aircraft hits building? The victim needs to steer the jet into place where is no buildings or civilian activity. I thought it would be interesting and maybe challenging
Crashing into a hospital might be a good idea. Dont have to travel far to find a doctor, beds are right there (all over the place). As for the Mirage's final resting place, I think it might have been a golf course. In which case, it killed 4 players and 4 caddies on the 12th. Does a crashed fighter jet count a GUR or a natural hazard?
Don't US F-16s always fly with AIM-120s on the wingtips to reduce flutter?
What are the chances of the DARKSTAR from TGM to showup at DCS??😅...
I wanna see that MACH10+ 😇
F-1 seems comparable to Mig-23
@@ObsydianShade a slightly fox1 shooter, mach2.2 able and slightly 2x heavier 😋
Also happens everyday in Greece against Turkey
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One fleeing plane fell out of the skies,
spiraling and spewing orange flames to crash by the cape.
The same cape where my family lived.
Now they only live in my memories of days past.
The victor circled around to confirm the kill.
And on his craft there was a large "Like and Subscribe" with a Sidewinder insignia emblazoned in yellow.
I will never forget this.
GS when will we get to see a dogfight between F-16 and SU-30 MKI?
So, that 2nd and 3rd fight ending, both times the F1 looked like it had pushed "the cobra button." Out of curiosity, what needs to happen to the flight surfaces to make that happen? Like, is it technically ably to cobra but then departs flight, or is it a situation that you can't replicate unless control cables/ hydraulics are compromised? Anyone know?
There's an FLCS override switch in the M2000 that basically gives you full authority over the control surfaces. It's only supposed to be used in case you somehow manage to put the jet into a flat spin (it's labeled "Vrille", which is spin in French)
I'm not familiar with the F1 at all, but I'd assume that even though it's not FBW, there would be some computer assistance to prevent you from departing controlled flight. And if that's the case, there's definitely an override switch, probably somewhere on the lower left of the cockpit forward of the throttle like in the M2K.
(I'm french btw, sry in case my answer is a bit messy)
@@tipnoel no problem...very easy to understand. Thank you.
Modern Fighter jets are typically designed to be dynamically unstable - that is they are not inherently stable aircraft, ie: it takes a flight control computer to control the plane - the pilot just tells the FCS where he wants to go, The FCS flies the plane. Hundreds of control inputs per second. Faster than a human can react.
You kill the FCS with gunfire, or gimp enough of the control surfaces that the FCS can't handle adjusting for the natural lack of stability in the design... and the aircraft will depart.
Since these planes are designed with a center of mass with a center of lift pretty much right on the center of mass, or even slightly forward of it - typically if the plane departs and is still carrying much in the way of airspeed, it has a tendency to pitch nose up violently in a stall, scrub airspeed, drop the nose back down to horizontal and then fall out of the sky like a leaf falling from a tree, usually with a rotational component about the yaw axis - the dreaded flat spin.
Sudden and severe Damage to the hydraulic system in its entirety can cause a similar violent pitch up stall, since without any stabilizing input from the pilot or FCS even if both are intact - the aircraft will tend to pitch up violently. Usually the hydraulic systems have some redundancy, but the backups can get hit too.
Occasionally, when the pilot bails out and takes a couple hundred pounds of pilot, seat, and gear with him - it changes the CG of the plane enough and it stabilizes and wanders off without a pilot till it crashes (that's probably what happened in the first fight) sometimes the opposite happens - the plane is a dead stick but still flying somewhat straight and level, the pilot bails out, the CG shifts aft and the plane violently departs, pitch up - and falls out of the sky in a flat spin.
"kinda looked like a hospital"
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Can u do f-14 vs 4 mig 29’s pls
I would be interested in a match F-1 vs Phantom.
If a F-16 and a F-35 fought each other, which one would win?
If I remember correctly, there have been interviews with F-16 and F-35 pilots. On those they say the F-35 wins. Don't compare what you see the F-35 do in DCS with reality. The F-35 in DCS is a reskinned F-15.
I like the plane swap
Not that it is available but I would love to see any comparison or simulation between the KAI TA-50/FA-50 and the F-16. Just to see what the capability gap might be.
Im watchin 1st round its already a banger
The Mirage F1 is pretty cool but one of the main reasons i don’t like it very much is the ridiculously annoying AOA beeping
Could you put the controls indicator up for us please
Thank you for the Mirage F1 video's
How about the Kfir(Israeli), Cheetah (South African) vs .......
I want that Mirage F-1 vs F-104 fight!
everything looks so good on DCS except the pilot noodle arms when the shoot is open.
what about mig 29 vs f1
Field farmer: mama mia!
We have a Mirage F1 from early 70s and a modernized F16 from at least 90's. Is it possible to have plan put on the same level (both on a version from 70s or both on 2000's standards ?
pls do a mirage 2000-5 vs JF-17 fox 3 BFM fight, Mica EM vs SD-10
Fight we've been waiting for!!
The fight I've always wanted to see
Woww... Nice video. Good fight. it is obvious that the mirage f-1 is outclassed against the f-16. You know what, Mirage is one of my fave jet fighter. I know this fighter from comic book (Michel) Tanguy and (Ernest) Laverdure. Any one know that comic?
i wonder why shotgun didn't fly the tomcat last time
Lol because these guys have lives and they’re not just waiting around to fly for videos for us. We are lucky to have them when we have them at all.
In you're next videos i do want to see 16 vs Rafael or euro fighter 😉😉
Can't see a way for the F-1 to avoid being downed. Maybe a very experienced Mirage jockey that can skid at the edge of departure all day long? Dunno. The performance differential is too great.
I'm really new here but Love these videos!
The Aggressor aircraft used to train US pilots are the Israeli F-21 Kfir, not the Mirage.
Similar aircraft, the Kfir is a knockoff of the Mirage.
ATAC is a civilian contract company that flies them and the Hawker Hunters as Aggressor aircraft for missions supporting TOPGUN training and others.
No they deff use the mirage f1 over at luke.
@@GrowlingSidewinder the Luke F-1's are from ATAC, they might have 1 or 2 of their Mirage 3's there. @Cg23sailor ATAC has F-1's and Kfir's. Kfir's are basically Cheetah's, both of which are mirage 3 platforms and are actually much more capable or modernized compared to most F-1's. Though all (f1 and M3) have massive maintenance issues/hard to keep flying. Draken also has an F-1 fleet. Many more F-1's in the air as aggressors than Kfir/cheetah/mirage3s between the two main red-air companies.
Btw, can u make Mirage F-1 vs Sepecat Jaguar, Mirage F-1 vs Super Ettendart and Mirage F-1 vs Panavia Tornado... Jaguar vs Tornado or Jaguar vs Ettendart.. I am just curious which fighter is best. 😀😀😀
Give us Felon!
I kinda want to see the opponent's point of view, i feel like that would be interesting to see
bank angle, bank angle