This Is Why NBA Players REFUSE To Call LeBron “The GOAT”
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Who's greater? Kobe or LeBron?
MJ said it himself Championship wise Kobe Bryant in terms of dominating the game of basketball it’s Lebron
Easy kobe
Kobe
Mike is the best
Kobe Bryant
Lebron doesn't 'work' on flopping. He's a natural talent at it.
It's the only go to move he has developed
@@peduardoperez2219 legit bro. I get so mad cuz it's like he has an affect on his team with it too. AR, AD, and alot of other players on the lakers flop more now.
@@JJAISA and his signature flex 💪🏽 too small taunt to guys half his size. So he actually has a little bag
Flopping or no flopping, still smoked that bandwagons gsw girly warriors, ended that dynasty last season look at you can't even be in the play in 🤣🤣🤣.
@@avengerkill809 wtf did you say? LePrincess
Flopping is frustrating, but not owning up to it is the worst. Pure gaslighting us like its not on camera.
It’s the NBA’s fault for allowing it to happen and for us dumb fans for continuing to watch.
Lebron is why i no longer watch Basketball. I was so sickened by it I just see no point in watching when the refs decide more of the game now then the players... and Lebron gets ridiculous game changing calls over and over again.. it's insane...
For God sakes put all of us out of our misery and just retire!!!!! @#%^$#@$&^%$#@$$#@@@$$!!!!!!!!!!
That's the fucked up part. Evidence clearly on camera, and a lot of it. Yet lies.
Not every lie is gaslighting. 😂
Stats don't make a case for GOAT, a combination of rings + clutches + intangibles do.
Yh. That's where I disagree with the content. Strictly in terms of effectiveness and efficiency, he will struggle to be in the top 10
@@JS-vw4dl Stats also help. Not counting stats though. Per game stats.
Lebron doesn’t belong in the conversation with Kobe, Kobe is wayy better
The Bulls didn't play dynasty's they were the Dynasty that's the difference!
Kobe was the master of the 12 for 27, with three assists. Nope. I can think of 50 other players I would rather have on my team.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy
@@paulespinoza1994try harder
"We don't work on flopping" - lol that's why they are so obvious.
😂😂😂
He didn't say I.
HE DON'T FLOP. THAT BUM PROBABLY HAVE THE FLOPPING MANUAL IN HIS LOCKER.
He has a soccer tutor
The argument that Lebron faced tougher competition in the finals is a mute argument, because MJ made the Bulls the best team in the finals every trip they made to the finals. The reason Lebron is not the GOAT is because he did not sustain dominance on both ends of the court like MJ did, and for as long as MJ did (10 scoring titles and 9 All Defensive FIRST team in a row), on top of NEVER disappearing in the Finals. Lebron can not escape what Dallas did to his super team in Miami. As well as the Spurs. So what, Dallas was a better team than Lebron's created super team?? Y'all need to stop. On the highest stage with the most stakes (the NBA Finals) MJ NEVER disappeared. NEVER! Lebron did. Period. And We don't even hold Lebron's first trip to the finals against the Spurs in 2003 against him.
Just think of the teams Jordan had to beat to get to those Finals. The 92' and 93' Knicks could've beaten the Warriors and the 96' Sonics would beat every team LeBron ever beat in the Finals or ever.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352Are you delusional? Only MJ's Bulls can beat GSW with 4 future HOFs (Curry, Thompson, Green, Durant).
LEBRON SUCKS PERIOD NO GOD DAM GOAT
@@NuryPPanaligan you just flat out don't know basketball. Curry can't even deal with Kyrie type defense with no rim protectors, if he had to deal with Starks, Mason, Oakley and Ewing all bumping him and contesting everything, everybody punking Draymond, everybody punking skinny little Durant. Durant is so skinny, half of his offense would be neutralized cuz he wouldn't be able to drive past anybody cuz he's weak
Lebron is just a frontrunner he can't take over and bring a team back very often. When you watched Kobe it always felt like a matter of time til he gets hot and goes on a run. If lebron is playing poorly it feels like it's going to be a blowout because even though he's playing bad, they still running offense through him.
flopping and wearing number 23 and jumpman logo, woww
LeBron has not faced tougher competition in the finals. Jordan just beat all his tough competition.
If you keep begging for the title you will never get it
He doesn't beg for it
@@wispy__ He does. LOL. Calling yourself the GOAT is begging to be called the GOAT.
@@ifade26if I give myself a title it’s because I believe i am worthy of that title that does not mean he is begging anyone else to call him that as well
@@wispy__ he’s done it so many times
@@wispy__ he does 😂, he even called himself one
If crying, traveling, double dribbling, flopping, LeBron played during era of Magic, Bird, Dr J, Karl Malone, and Kareem his career would have ended 10 years ago. There's no "CRYING" in baskeball!!! Lebron is definitely not the GOAT. He doesn't rank in the top 5. He's on the bottom of the Top 10.
preach💯
Oh man does he travel. Traveling in the NBA is so bad now. I saw wembinyama take three complete steps on a dunk and wasn't called. I mean 3 complete strides. He ran from the top of the key and dunked. No call. I was like WTF.
Thank You !
So you obviously don't watch basketball if you really say that lebron isn't top 2
U forgot charging
Lebron era is a Flag Basketball and NOT even closed to Mikes grown ass man defense.
The Kawhi "ghost laugh" in this video is absolute GOLD!!! 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂
That laugh is the GOAT 🐐 😂
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😅😅😅 I was about to say the same thing
Killed me every time 😂😂😂😂
The only reasons he gets his stats this year:
- Refs don't call his traveling
- Refs don't call his offensive fouls
-Refs don't call his flopping
-Refs don't give him technical foul when he bitches
-Refs award him with free throws when someone even thinks about defending him.
-He gives zero f&cks on defense and has become a liability
He also is a statue on OFFENSE too, when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands
Don't forget the era. Defensive three in the key means rim-defenders have been legislated out of the game. He is a bad mid-range jump shooter but doesn't have to take that shot because he can put his head down and shoulder to the rim. No one is there to help. In the 80s and 90s, bigger men would rotate to help and would put him down and/or make him shoot free throws. "But Lebron's 'shooting' percentage is good!" Take away the layups/dunks, and it's actually awful. Strangely, however, he shoots a better three than he does a mid-range two. Great passer though. . .but then again, the floor is spread out now, so you don't need to be Magic or Bird to make that pass. He's a pharmaceutical marvel, I think. NBA prefers to mythologize players as a marketing tool instead of the sport itself. Quite sad.
Ok buddy
I'm not a Kobe fan but I give him more respect than LeBron but yeah never seen any vids on Kobe doing the shit that LeBron does.
FACTS!!!
For me it's level of competition, 10 finals from beating a historically shitty conference (that he made even shittier teaming up with other Eastern stars) isn't as impressive as the hype suggests, before we even get to the Finals record
Jordan and Kobe in particular would have sliced through those conferences too; Lebron staying healthy the whole time is the most impressive thing about it, and there's a big element of luck in that. Jordan's East was tough with most of the league contenders (Knicks, Pacers, Cavs, Magic), made it out 6 times, won 6 times -- Kobe went through a TOUGH WC 7 times, won 5 of them and both teams that beat the Lakers were top 5 all-time defenses that keyed in on Kobe himself.
Who was Lebron's best Eastern competition that he actually beat? Old Celtics, Rookie Tatum Celtics, Indiana with PG and Peak Hibbert??? Light work for most ATGs with decent squad around them. Then when you get to the Finals Lebronball doesn't cut it, too predictable for the great teams -- which Jordan and Kobe had to face ON THE WAY to the Finals which is why they were better prepared and adaptable. But it gets Lebron his stats which makes it easy to point the finger at teammates and wait for the media and statnerds to make excuses for you...
Lebron is still great, some of us have seen better that's just what it is. I say the same thing to Kobe fans about Jordan, no hate! And if more Wilt or Kareem footage comes out to convince me I'll be honest and put them over Jordan
But I watched all 3 of these win all of their chips in real time starting in 91 and Jordan > Kobe > Lebron based on who's leading their team to WIN (all I care about), all things being equal
2013: the Ray Allen shot
2016: the Kyrie Irving shot
2020: the bubble ring, Anthony Davis
This right here made him the greatest player of all time.
Kawhi's laugh is the best
😆😆😆
😂😂😂😂😂
There's little bit of Eddie Murphy laugh there...
I never realize it til I saw your comment and made me burst in tears from laughing!
Never been Lebron fan. And this is exactly why.
I told my son, back when Lebron was desperately trying to pass Kareem…and he was staying on the court almost the entire game, constantly….I said, “I’ll bet my life, when he finally passes it, he’ll claim he’s hurt and sit on the bench for the next few weeks.” And what do ya know… he did exactly that.
Then, miraculously, when the rest of the team started racking up wins and got into playoff contention.. He suddenly got better and started playing again. Lebron is for Lebron… period.
Yeah like every team he's won a championship on coulda done it without him. He could easily play two more seasons. "Desperately" lol. Yeah he barely got that one...2000 pts later.
@@cambell-yi2gh you completely took “desperately” out of context.
And the two points you tried to make, had nothing to do with mine.
LeBum is for SATAN.
Recognize the signs/agenda.
@@cambell-yi2ghla flop, la balco.
🎯
The Petty Queen. NBA had to issue a warning to knock off the flopping. What other player has been issued that warning? Not any of the all time greats. Or stretched out on the floor like he’s been shot. And if you’re the all time leader shot’s taken, well it’s no surprise that you’d be the all time leader in scoring, and turn overs. He hasn’t won the regular season MVP since 2012/13 season. There’s nothing that says GOAT when you’re only 4 Chips in 10 finals over a 21/22 yrs in the association. One game separates a 72 / 10 Bulls from the 73 / 9 Warriors. Only 2 more rings you say? How about those 2 three peats? MJ accomplished with the same team. No teaming up with other All stars to try and win a chip. And stats without accomplishments, are just stats. NBA owners are not paying multiple million dollar salaries to see who has the best STATS at the end of the season. Trophies, rings and Chips. There are other reasons why he’s not the GOAT, besides his ridiculous antics on the court.
Need for attention, drama king, flop king, staying on the floor excessively when he's not really injured that bad, antics with courtside audiences (getting fans ejected), drama, drama, atttention, flop, excessive need for attention, drama and more drama, social justice victim outside of basketball, putting a target on the backs of police officers, a billionaire but still a victim of America . . . IQ of a grade schooler, and on and on. No, NEVER the goat but a number one narcissist!
MJ will always be the goat for me
and for like 90% of the fans
For you and the rest of us having eyes.
Funny Jordan's not in the question lol good old Jordan fans 🤣
@@rekthereaper3760 who is then?
Did we ask?
That game Saturday night and the 43-16 free-throw disparity when steph dropped 46 and shot 3 free-throws ans Austin wonder bread reeves shot 9 free-throws on 7 field goal attempts had me getting ptsd flashbacks to the lakers warriors series last year. The lakers are like +300 free throw attempts on the year yet are last in the league at 38 drive attempts per game. Shit is rigged bruh
He said “Austin Wonderbread Reeves” 😂😂😂💀
Austin flip his hair wen he makes a shot reeves
Lebron is GOAT - GIRLIEST of all time b/c he flops like a sissy girl despite weighing 270 LBs and running like a tank.
clearly you dont watvh the games .
@@iamtheonlywillyI liked it 😂😂
Im just curious how he doesnt seem to get a technical when he throws his temper tantrums and gets in the officials faces.
Speed up that 'we don't work on floppin' montage and you got a sick hook yo! 😂😂😂😂😂
A big reason why Le-Bum and Cleveland came back from a 1 - 3 deficit against the Warriors was the officiating in games 5 thru 7!!! Draymond being suspended for game 5 was ridiculous after Le-Bum stepped over him. That creep Le-Bum has been crying and flopping for 10+ years!
Cleveland would have NEVER EVEN WON THE FINALS,IF IT WERENT FOR KYRE IRVING! HES NOT A GOAT AND NEVER WILL BE,(KOBE-BRYANT) IS AND ALWAYS will be better,than queen-james,Even bein-dead!!!
@@user-dy6eo6fe5xKyrie doesn’t get enough credit for that championship. Warriors could NOT guard him. He easily got most of his points ISO drive to the rim. Bron would get all the switches he wanted on Curry and Ezeli.
@@user-dy6eo6fe5xRay Allen saved him in MIA too
the officiating against curry is unheard of, absolutely dispecable! they trying extremely hard to contain curry ever since 2016 til this very day
Tougher competition?
Whats harder? Going against the dynasty or being the dynasty year after year after year after year after year …? You get the point
yeah, I didn't get that statement neither. Jordan and the Bulls, never let any other team have a dynasty.
While Bron and his multiple teams, never been the dynasty teams.
That was a crazy statement he made. Jordan faced slightly stiffer comp in a much much tougher era of the NBA. I don't think anyone can say this era is tougher than the 90's
Being a dynasty absolutely. Bulls never lost more than 2 games in a row from 90-98 when Jordan was playing is completly insane
Even if the "stiffer competition" is a legit point, it's not like LeBron overcame them more than he lost.
@@Dapper_Deanalso curry created a dynasty off of lebron lol
Showed a guilty mind by denying something he wasn’t accused of. Was asked if the Lakers flopped; replied “Uh, we don’t work on flopping.” This is like randomly going up to a cop in the street and saying, “I didn’t knock over the convenience store at 10th and Main.”
Lebron is reminded everytime he see that jump man on his jersey 😂
“We don’t work on flopping” killed me 😂💀💀
Sent me 🤣🤣🤣
He is the flop and cry baby master ....
Boycott his ass send him anywhere else
should have had "stop the cap" sound effect after that
Could you see Lebron playing against the bad boy Pistons? He would have been laughed out of the game.
They'd knock him down, laugh at him, and mock him as he bitches and whines to the officials.
Lebron would have had problems with a number of teams during the 80s. Larry Bird would have been more than willing to get in a fistfight with Lebron in Boston. Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn would have made Lebron earns his two points at the charity strip in the Silverdome.
Eh. He would have adjusted for the era he was in. Still would've been entertaining though.
when he was young
he drove with his hip out
nba is soft now. no doubt
look at someone you ejected. they used to beat the crap out each other no call
He should be laughed out of the game NOW!
I can’t stand Le Bron! He “Flops” over and over, he’s a “Cry Baby” who complains whenever a call from a Ref doesn’t go his way, and he’s a quitter! I have seen him in the Finals just give up and stop playing when he knows his team is on the verge of losing! IT’S PATHETIC! I compare Le Bron to MJ and there is NO COMPARISON! MJ IS THE GOAT, PERIOD! Le Bron may be able to play for a long time which is the reason he’s breaking so many records! Most players have retired by the time they are in their mid thirties! He’s pushing 40! BOTTOMLINE: I have very little respect for Le Bron for the reasons I’ve already stated plus a few more! To me, he’s a POOR ROLE MODEL!
Flopping is definitely one of the reasons. Another reason is his deliberately playing GM for all of his teams. Then complaining that he didn’t get much help whenever he loses. When MJ lost to the Pistons you didn’t hear any excuse. Instead, he worked out and made sure he has the body to be physical vs the Pistons.
About LBJ flopping 7:18 :
".. in fact, he often spends more time on the floor than.. Giannis to finish his free throw routine.."
This was Dave Chappelle level comedy gold.
The thing that gets me is, like, he does know there is replay and yet he can flat out deny it. What?!?!?!
I know he outright lies to everyone's face like anyone not playing basketball doesn't understand basketball.
He's like a modern female. No accountability.
Both MJ and LBJ played stiff competition in the Finals, averaging about 61 wins each. The reason we don’t hold MJ’s Finals opponents in high regard as we do the Spurs, Warriors, and *gasp* the 2011 Mavs is that Jordan never allowed any Finals opponent the chip.
Jordan denied hall-of-famers Ewing, Miller, Barkley, Drexler, Mourning, Payton, Stockton, and Malone championships during his reign.
LBJ couldn’t deny Jason Terry one.
those players are middling stars .. he didn’t deny bird, Magic, Isaiah
@@chrisjowoo83that’s so dumb that’s like saying lebron didn’t stop kobe kg pierce and Tim from winning rings that won’t his era. Lebrons era was full of other champs. One of them bring Jason terry who literally outplayed bron in the 2011 finals and the mavs defensive adjustment for Lebron was jj barea 😂😂 look up the games if u havnt watched lol Jordan literally has zero blemishes on his record while lebron has that along with what 5 other losses in the finals
@@chrisjowoo83and why they were “middling stars” is because Jordan’s denied them championships u don’t think we’d be looking at Clyde differently or Karl Malone and stock if they won chips let alone beat Jordan. No validity to your argument when were talking about hall of famers and nbas own top 75 players
Exceeded expectations on paper ONLY. On film you see more help than any player over 20 years with just 4 rings. An the stat stuffing is glaring if your watching. Playing NO Defense, litterally crippling the team dynamic to get easy defensive rebounds. He is a scavenger, he collects his stat numbers in situations that dont matter...when its easy. His primary focus is his stats. Not the wins.
The Kawhi laugh had me cracking up almost every time😂
This the same guy that runs through 3 ppl intentionally tackling him just so he can get himself a layup.
key word being runs, because he certainly doesn't dribble through them.
Not enough people talk about this. He literally rams into people at full speed or with his elbows flying around and THEY get called for the foul. Amazing.
@@John6-40who Giannis??
@@sosaraycharles358 LeGm
@@sosaraycharles358 he gets calls too, but LeBron is the worst for it. And he cries every time he doesn't get a foul, even if he makes the shot.
23-24 stats for FTA differential per game:
1. Lakers +6.1
2. Celtics +2.8
3. Heat +2.7
4. Suns +2.5
5. Bucks +2.3
Operative word "we" don't work on flopping. Implies he works on flopping.
The Kawhi laughing in the background is PRICELESS..
Flopping is A reason, not THE reason.
His resume doesn't stack with Jordan's or Kareem's. He doesn't pass Jordan or even Kobe or Bird on the eye test.
Also, he didn't face tougher Finals competition overall. Facing teams that averaged fewer wins with fewer all-stars. Plus he got crushed by the Spurs and Warriors anyway, going 2-5 against those teams.
Also, he does lack "the bag" that Jordan and Kobe had. He has no handle. He is laterally slow and his shot is very stiff and robotic.
90% of his points come on transition dunks, ramming guys in the paint and getting the foul, or chucking low % 3's.
He can't adjust his shot in mid-air like Jordan or Kobe. Can't shake an elite wing defender in iso.
He relies on picks and mismatches in those situations.
He's definitely a top 10 player and maybe even top 5, but for me personally, if I need to win a basketball game to save my life, and get to pick anyone at their peak, I'm taking a lot of guys over LeBron.
Jordan, Bird, Kobe, and maybe even guys like Shaq and Duncan.
I agree with all you wrote, but, your arguments also prove that this fool isn't a top 5, 10, or 100 top player, his whole career is just a media created lie.
Well put.
For me it's a heavy reason, what greatest basketball player would be flopping when no one touches them? I don't think you can be the greatest of you work harder on flopping to get a call than working on a jumpshot to not rely on the refs to bail you out.
When lbj came into the league people would say if he worked on his jumpshot he would be unstoppable. Well he never worked on it and at his age with no jumpshot he's pretty incapable of playing within the flow of offense.
Yeah, the eye test he looks like a clumsy oaf and the traveling and double dribble is off the charts and they let him get away with it so much its disgusting. The way Lebron plows through players like a linebacker in football. You have to have speed agility finesse talent and skill and you have to make your shots count by making them when your team needs them most. That is what MJ had done his entire career. That is why HE is the goat and Lebron,, well lebron is a joke and his cult of bronsexuals are just annoying.
Well said bro. I would add that I would also throw Magic in there for a can't lose situation.
LeBron doesn't flop, he just has very big reactions to his very sensitive feelings.
You can’t give them kudos for his strength when there is other players who don’t Use steroids. Is Unfair sportsmanship
growth hormones, peds, steroids, modified food and performance enhancing medical practices aka body modifying....
There's no way Lefraud has faces tougher competition In the finals with the rules of today's sport.
He has faced tough competition (not often), but that’s when he loses. I think about every single year when he had a cake walk through the weak Eastern Conference. His super teams have lost to the Mavs, Spurs, Warriors, Suns, and Nuggets.
THANK YOU!!
There's no way you watch nba
Could you imagine Bird or MJ crying and flopping like that? Lol
@@beetlejuice4357 I imagine you crying over flopping 😅genius people adapt on rules. Games evolved . You stuck in the past 🤣
😂😂that delayed flop was hilarious 😊
nothing funny about it
league sucks
broke records because they are catered to
All time scoring record doesn’t mean anything when you have less rings less mvps and only leading the league in scoring once compared to a player that has 8,000 less points
Those who knows, knows.... I would choose MJ, Kobe Kareem and Bird in a picking before I choose Magic or Shaq over LeBron
Wilt #1. Everyone else far behind
You're just hating
I agree on all these guys, but let's just look at Bird.
In his prime before back injuries, Bird is giving you 28-10-7 on 50-40-90 shooting. He's also hitting those clutch shots and giving 100% on defense, diving for loose balls, etc.
This shouldn't be a hot take. Anyone who watched Larry knows. I'd also take Jordan, Kobe and a few others over LeBron.
A lot of this comes down to clutch factor and effort, because any top 10 player ever is going to post great stats.
Shaq is giving you 28-12-3 plus 3 blocks on 60% shooting.
Jordan is giving you 32-6-6 on 51% with elite defense and clutch ability.
Kobe is giving you 28-6-5 on 48% with great defense and clutch ability.
LeBron is giving you 27-7-7 on 51% with inconsistent defense and avoiding clutch shots.
Give me all those dudes over LeBron.
This is just hating😂😂
There's AT LEAST 10-13 players ahead of LeChoke.
refs don't call offensive fouls on him, he picks and chooses when he will play defense, the list is long.
All the greats picked their spots to play defense as they aged. Lebron can't do the same? Playing lock down defense and being fast to react on offense after 10 years straight of basketball is impossible to sustain.
in other words, he's lazy. @@digfitness7598
All the greats? Bill Russell coasted on defense his last 5 or 5 years? Jordan coasted on defense his last 4 or 5 years? Lebron is lazy and entitled. @@digfitness7598
@@digfitness7598no greats pick and choose
@@digfitness7598
Kyle Kuzma literally PUSHED LeBron to play defense a few years back. Yes, I'll agree that you need to pace yourself and not go nuts every play. I personally don't fault LeBron for that, because he's come up with iconic great defensive plays. To me, why he never passes MJ in my book:
* the mere fact that flopping is rewarded is a joke and the refs trip over themselves to reward his flopping
* how many times do we need to see him take five steps and not get called for traveling?
* he pretty much gets free drives to the basket, because with the new rules, it's simply impossible to defend his power drives without being called for a foul. MJ got his ass handed to him when he drove to the lane
* I hear people say all the time that he's played 20 years and MJ never played that long. LEBRON NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE! Back when MJ played, almost no one went straight to the NBA, no matter how good you were.
* one of the biggest arguments: you could beat the s**t out of players in the 80s and 90s. It was a much rougher, more physical game. LeBron's scoring average would drop 5ppg if he had to battle Rick Mahorn and Dennis Rodman and Bill Laimbeer and the Davis Brothers and Oakley and X-Man in the paint. Put MJ in today's soft NBA and he averages 50ppg and plays as many years as he wants.
As a lover of the game, I use to get into the goat debate a lot until realizing that the "Goat" debate will always be subjective to who you watched and who you like more but also there are so many different eras to crown a overall goat. So I just do it by era and the resume they created in the era or just based off position because trying to compare this era to the 2010s era, compare the 2010s to the 2000s era it just so many factors because while we've seen players last long into other eras, it was also towards the tail end of their career verse seeing prime Jordan in 03, prime Kobe in 2010s etc. Jordan is the goat of the 90s. Kobe is the goat of the 2000s, LeBron is the goat of the 2010s. 2020s is a tie between Giannis and Jokic but if Jokic wins his 3rd MVP & second ring, hell pass Giannis as the Goat of the 2020s
Adam Silver helped him come back from 3 to 1 in the finals. Also that wasn't the greatest team they just had the best record.
Probably because he hand picks his teams and teammates mortgages the teams future and leaves the franchise in ruins when he departs. All of this crying and Le GM stuff and still hasnt caught Kobe or Jordan who stayed put through highs and lows. Also Steph has tied him while also staying put and riding out the down seasons instead of crying and going somewhere easier.
my guy you sound so right, he should've stayed in cleveland another 8 more years lmaoooo
How does he mortgage the teams feature? Please explain when he left Miami. They still had Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosch when he left Cleveland he made sure his contract was finished and he was a free agent. It’s not his fault that the owner Dan Gilbert didn’t want to get LeBron any help and spend money to get good free agents You people are idiots and when he left Cleveland for the second time, remember Kyrie left first and LeBron stayed and the end up loosing in the finals to gsw also when he left that team, they still had Kevin Love and a bunch of role players once again not LeBron‘s fault. Remember, they even got Derrick Rose and Dwyane Wade on that team at one point in time and when he went to the Lakers, he got Anthony Davis
@@Enokhathat’s exactly what he should’ve done, especially if he’s “the GOAT” MJ, Kobe and Steph included would’ve made the team around them better at Cleveland, unlike Lebron, who clearly needed to join super Teams like Miami to get his first 2 rings LOL
@@ErnieIthierthey just love being blind to lebrons nonsense
@@ErnieIthieryep far more props to bring it home
Ie Jordan Kobe Steph Duncan bird magic
Leaving to get it shows a lack of leadership qualities
bro, that kawhi laugh is something else 😂😂😂
@5:03 That's clearly an intentional miss. Look at the scoreboard & consider the situation. But overall I agree, great breakdown!
I want to frame this. 4:18 his foots is on the line. They are both looking at the same thing. The ref gives him a fathers 'what are you talking about son' this is a 2 look.
"I felt like they fouled, and we didn't" 🗿 😂😂😂
That right there made him the greatest player of all time
"We don't work on flopping" might get turned into the new kawhi laugh💀
That Kwahi Leonard laughing in the background is giving me laughing stomach cramps!!!😂😂😂
Great video, but I think there is also one more factor that puts all time greats above Lebron and didnt saw any video about it. Its a little bit imagine so scenario but I think it touches the subject very well, and I will leave out of it players like Bird, Kareem, Magic or other players from lets say distant past. So imagine if you are a franchise manager and you got a choice to build your franchise on any chosen player knowing almost everything about them, how many people will choose Lebron knowing that Jordan, Duncan, Kobe for that example got more rings then him, knowing that Jordan, Duncan, Kobe, Steph didnt leave the franchise after failing to win championship, knowing that they dont do everything you see on that video? You cant buy loyalty, look what cost Lakers to fulfill Lebron demands and that for a bubble ring and probably a lot of mediocre years after he will leave them. Compare Lebron to Jordan from financial perspective, how much more money Jordan bring than Lebron to a franchise. Other point, we talking about Bulls dynasty, Spurs dynasty, Warriors dynasty, Lakers dynasty. What dynasty Lebron was part of?You can go on and on and conclusion is simple - only crazy fans will pick up Lebron over mention players if you want to build a succesfull dynasty
He's also a top 10 traveller , captain 4 step and ones, and gave himself his nickname... never sat well
#1 turnover king
I’m sorry if it wasn’t for Draymond Green getting suspended the Cavs never would have came back from that 3-1 deficit plus Lebron needed Kyrie to go off.
And let's not forget that just about every analyst in TV believed it should have been a double T and move on. Everybody but Brian "LeBrons best friend" Windhorst.
Not the Cavs fault Draymond is a moron
@@JomarJohnsonMJ greater than LeBron you bronsexual
That’s a work from silver.,he helped lebron..total bias..they suspended dray after game 4 of the finals and the cause were dray kicked the nuts of an okc player during wcf..that’s a made championship
“Would’ve” “could’ve” 🤡🤡🤡
Hearing some random guy say the same things about Lebron I have said for 6 years is excellent.
Free throws? Three pointers? Clutch? Mid Range? Loyalty? Defense? Hustle?
That one with Jimmy Butler Leflop was just glitching in the matrix 😂😂😂 shit took me out nobody was even close to him.
He learned that delayed flop from PBA's Mick Pennisi.
Just look Mick Pennisi delayed flop video and you'll see it.
The greatest leading scorer in history is Michael Jordan: *10x scoring champ and 30.5 ppg.* MJ has in his career 127.5 points per 100 possessions, LBJ 115.0.
The point total is determined by the number of seasons and games played. LeBron has 1751 games played and 47866 total points, Michael 1251 games and 38279. If MJ had played 1751 with an average of 30.5 ppg he would have scored about 53405 points.
The Kawhi edits are perfect
😆😆😆
You're absolutely right with the facts like when it comes to the most points scored in NBA history nobody was calling Kareem Abdul-Jabbar the goat and his resume is 10 times better than leflops and when it comes to assist LeBron James assist doesn't mean nothing if he has the #1 record in turnovers in NBA history for every 2 assists he has 4 turnovers and he's just total embarrassment I mean this isn't Days of our lives ,general hospital, All My children, as the world turns this is professional NBA basketball not a soap opera you're supposed to be professional athletes not professional actors WTF
the fact that a team with lebron wasnt the most dominant team says it all tbf
Hello, Miami heat back to back rings? Against actual dynasty and a super team? Typical warriors fan boy no basketball knowledge.
@@avengerkill809 Miami still was not the most dominant or even top 10 all time with those back to back chips. OKC wasn't close to being a super team, and it took them 7 games to beat a team lead by a 36 way past his prime Duncan, 35 year old Manu and pup in Kawhi.
Its ironic that you would say someone doesn't have basketball knowledge with your bad take.....
@@remnant8898 ya gsw bandwagons truly don't know basketball. "A way past his prime Duncan". That year Duncan was first team all NBA, 2nd team all defense. Pup kawhi was a top 10 defender that year, how can I know that well maybe his 2nd team all defensive selection, or dpoy the following season. That spurs team alone had more hall famers than the teams MJ faced in the finals combined. Plus 2012-2013 heat is a top 10 team of all time. Ya TH-camr kids who started watching yesterday really don't know basketball.
Isnt that a team accomplishment? Why would a single individual get credit for how good his team is?
You guys are awfully defensive of/against superteams when it fits your narrative
@@1vaultdweller one moment, people are calling Bron a 4x champ, the next minute when his Finals record is considered, its now a team accomplishment.
How about being consistent in your argument?
There is a portion of his fanbase that i call the "hater brigade" that has slowly made me resent him over the years. Those fans that respond to any (fair or unfair) criticism by calling someone a hater. They'll often try to dismiss any criticism by saying he's more talented, rich, and successful than you. You have to be a 6 time nba champion to criticize him for flopping.
He's a great player, and there are lots of cool lebron fans. Having a different opinion doesnt make you stupid or my enemy. Its not fair to generalize all lebron fans. Its just that obnoxious vocal portion of his fanbase that's made me slowly start resenting him. Partly anyway, there is still all the stuff mentioned in the video.
Jordan is more talented, rich, and successful than me yet I call him the goat. So their argument falls apart right there.
@jasonwebb5964 I watched some videos on Jordan after you said this. I forgot how much of a monster he was. Lebron just doesn't have that killer instinct like him.
As a Mavs fan, I've seen flashes of it in Luka. That playoff series against the Suns, for example. He'll periodically turn it on. Not that i compare Luka to lebron or Jordan. I'm not that delusional. 😂
It’s not flopping but the fact that he simply doesn’t belongs in the GOAT debate instead….You can’t ’ take the stats of the man who is playing its 21 session and compare to the stats of the guys who played 13,14,15 sessions…So all time leading scorer " title " isn’t argument at all, for example…
MJ / Bird, Wilt, Isiah T., Magic, Dr J., Robinson, Kareem, Drexler I’d have to refresh myself on the key players and then put some thought into ranking, but I don’t even need to do that to KNOW that “Bron-Bron” would not be in the top-12
You could easily list 12 players better than LeBron, and another 20 who are as good as LeBron.
2:50 The disembodied laugh of Kawhi Leonard with reverb killed me. LMAO!
The Kawhi laugh😂😂
"Hee-hawww-ha-ha...."
One thing.. Mike never flopped.. flopping is a coach call
Dude what bag are you referring to? What’s his go to move?
Brons only go to move (other than the step back 3 he hopes to go in) is his patented pull the ball back and go full steam to the basket and run ppl over, while somehow never receiving a charge call. Instead usually a blocking foul is called, if the player doesn't just move completely out of the way.
@@hassanorr9078 if that was to be true, That’s no where close to MJs or Kobe’s bag, lol
The Kawhi laugh 5:03 gets me everytime lmao
Because Curry beat him 3 out of 4 times in the Finals? Or because so many other players won Mvps and rings during Lebrons time in the league? Dirk, Kobe, KG, Curry, KD, Jokic, Giannis, Kawhi, Duncan etc
Both. But in my opinion, it worse when you have your only real rival who's beat you 75% of the times you've competed for the chip.
So no one won rings while Jordon was in the league
Curry was the sidekick of those 3 finals wins
@@theawoken7914Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Rockets, and Spurs all won during Jordan’s time
@@zainakram6908 thank you
I'd also keep him out of the goat conversation as he plays a completely different game with different rules. Be interesting to see how many rings and records he'd have if he was called like everyone else. No one else gets away with his level of flopping, travelling, offensive fouling not being called and verbally abusing the refs without getting a tech.
To be fair, Shaq did exceed LaBron in the traveling and fouling department. Shaq’s go-to move consisted of “travel-charge-travel-dunk”, so LaBron might have a rival there.
@@projoebiochem I'm not advocating anyone breaking rules. But at least Shaq's travels were relatively small and close to the basket, Lebron somehow gets away with bouncing once from half way
8:01 - Why is it seen as more impressive to lose 3 games in a finals and win, than to win it 4-0 without dropping a single game to best team of the opposing conferance?
And Ray Allen who hit that key 3 pointer that helped the Heat beat the Spurs otherwise the Spurs beat the Cavs
I agree sportsmanship is part of the goat debate, and that deducts some points for him.
Bro literally load manages during games all the while stat padding by camping near basket for defensive rebounds... What a sad 'superstar'. 😤😤
Couldn't have said it better my man 🙌
@@HoopReportssalty your bandwagon warriors keep getting smoked by the Lakers 🤣 make another video crying about it 😂😂.
@@avengerkill809fanboy alert . Delusional kiddie
@@avengerkill809 refs keep beating Warriors. Lakers never beat the Warriors.
@@dvdv8197 yeah it was the refs that packed your bags in the playoffs and sent you straight to Cancun right 🤣🤣. Let's pretend I didn't see curry getting cooked by the Lakers bench warmers like looney Walker and Austin Reaves. Ya better find a new team to hop on, the bandwagon franchise been over
5:00 he needed to miss that in order to have a chance to win, what an incredibly poor choice of a clip to show
His comeback against Cleveland was a Masterclass in Flopping.
The points are truly irrelevant since the new modern version of the league doesn't allow defense. These players are a joke compared to the past. No defense, flopping deluxe, whine to refs to kick out fans who hurt their feelings, softest players in the history of basketball. No current players even in the conversation about the GOAT.
Anthony Edwards is on the right track.
You’re brain dead if you think these players aren’t the best the league has ever seen and are objectively wrong
@@gtddark232 man these kids are TH-camrs and tik tokers, they don't know anything about actual basketball. This hoopcut guy still salty about the Lakers spanking the warriors the other day and still crying about it 🤣.
@gtddark232 No I'm old enough to have seen the league before it was gutted defensively. The players now are soft, the previous players shut up hecklers with their play not crying to refs. Also Jordan, Bird, Magic, etc.. didn't want to play with each other, wanted to dominate them. Now just build a super team and play with the players you can't beat. You sir are speaking with limited knowledge.
@@avengerkill809Wait till the tables turn buddy, oh wait might not happen because lebron is the golden boy of the NBA and can do no wrong. He is a saint. Gtfo , what goes around comes around ☝🏽👇🏽 also lebron ain’t gonna let you hit , so there no need to suck him up
I think another factor is Bron's long history of putting his foot in his mouth off the court, like sending his IG follower mob to attack a policeman who saved a girl from being stabbed to death. His off-court antics combined with his on-court ones paint the picture of a guy who's full of himself, and not nearly as intelligent as he thinks he is. Would you ever see Mike or Kobe doing that?
Mike has a huge ego and strictly controls his public image by staying off social media. Hell, the last dance was arguably one giant fluff piece. Kobe does the same shit too. The whole number change and "mamba mentality" shit was just a way to distract the media from the rape case and save his image.
Wilt Chamberlain is way ahead of everyone in Points Per Game + Rebounds Per Game:
1. Wilt Chamberlain - 53.0
2. Bob Petit - 42.6
3. Elgin Baylor - 40.9
4. Joe Embiid - 39.0
5. Bill Russell - 37.5
6. Luka Doncic** - 37.4
7. Michael Jordan - 36.3
8. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 35.8
9. Karl Malone - 35.2
10. Anthony Davis** - 34.7
11. Lebron James** - 34.6
How can you be GOAT of any sport when:
You have two consecutive third place finishes and an overall 50% success rate in international competition, a 40% success rate in finals rounds and a 22 win 59 loss record giving you less than a 25% championship probability for your career, have been eliminated by lower seeds for three consecutive seasons and the only MVP in the history of your sport to have done so (for context, MJ was a perfect 24-0 vs lower seeds), have only ever led your peers in the league in two categories (one of which was aided by an immediate shortening of the season) out of 20 seasons of eligibility, 50% of your championships came in shortened seasons, have lost both an entire series by a world record deficit (71 points, average margin of defeat 14ppg) and a close out game by a world record deficit (23 points, only attempted 4 field goals in the final 30 minutes), have been swept in the playoffs in three different decades, have lost over 100 playoff games, outright leader in turnovers in the regular season, playoffs and finals and one of three players in the history of your sport to average more than four in back to back seasons, have articles written about you such as "Final second shots are tough, just ask LeBron James" demonstrating how poor your performance is in the clutch (17% for his career, all in the article), needed to join forces with two of the other top five picks from your own draft class who both led the league in PER for an organisation who won just three years prior to win your first championship, despite colluding and ring-chasing for 80% of your 20+ year career still havent caught the championship tally of peers in your era (Kobe and Duncan five each, same era), have lost as many as three finls series to the same player and are tied in championships with said player (3-1 record in favour of Curry, also losing record to others such as Duncan and Nowitzki), 13-10 record vs 50+ win teams in the playoffs just barely above 50% (for context, MJ eliminated 22 50+ win teams and Kobe eliminated 25), for any other player just one or two of these points is enough to keep them from touching MJ but LeBron has ALL of them and there's crazy ass people who think he's greater? Gimme a dam break lol
If Kobe would still be alive today, he would probably laugh and bonk Leflop James for shaming the LakeShow so much.
We don't respect lebron in LA. He will never have the respect and admiration Kobe has. Wish he'd leave
Lebron has a guy in the league now dominating him since 2015. Stephen Curry. Kobes ended like 2012. Lebron had 3 years of the league being his
This is true.
Great analysis, straight forward blunt and professional but what made me sub to you is the Background Leonard laugh😂
Forget LeFlop! It's not even a discussion!
MJ: 6-0, Kobe: 5-2, LeBron: 4-6. If you ask MOST NBA players and fans, they will tell you that MJ is the GOAT and that Kobe > LeBron.
You’re absolutely tripping. No respect. Bad take.
Hardly ever hear that
@@Blake_Laisure accurate take. More people are now realizing Kobe > Lebron
also it is funny how his supporters are saying that 10 finals appearances are better than 6 rings. Kareem has 10 finals appearances too with 6 rings. Jordan is 6 for 6. lol
5:00 Kawhi laugh is very intoxicating! 😂
The Lakers have a +1017 free throw advantage over the past two season.
I think you more accurately mean why some NBA players refuse...
damn that warriors v lakers game done pulled his last straw
He hasn't stop crying since then
I think scoring stats should be percentage of score of the game. This will minimize the effect of rule changes. Scoring 25 in a game score of 90 is more impressive than 25 in a game with a score of 140.
What r u talking about? Formidable dynasties?? Basketball and GSW fan here. Bulls, Knicks, Pistons, Spurs, Jazz in their primewould have gone thru GSW like a hot knife thru a block of butter. Especially the Pistons....omfg.
That Kawhi laugh was throughout is hilarious