The Dialect of Moomin | The Finno-Swedish Identity of an Icon
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ย. 2020
- Despite their international reach, there is a certain lingual flair to the Moomins and their world that is always lost in translation. Because of the way the books were initially written and what people enacted those stories, the Moomins quickly established a strong Finno-swedish identity in their mother-tongue, but never really anywhere else.
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Living with Kiki is basically constantly being surrounded by Moomin. I live Moomin. Breathe it.
Kiki!
@@Transparencyboo This is an incredible way to get more comments on the video! I cant stop smiling. I also want to live moomin, cause I still havent finished the 2nd book... ouch
15:30 that is my grandfather as Snufkin, to the left of Tove
That's so cool!
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my main complaint with the english dub of the 1990 series is the lack of fenno-swedish accents. I really wish they would release the fenno-swedish dub with english subtitles.
That is a great idea, fully support this.
As a swedish finn, i love this.
And you gotta know finnish to really pull off the finno-swedish dialect.
Keep up the good work!
Glad you loved it! Here's to you friend, cheers! :)
Absoluetly loved this!
As a Fin i accept this 😌🇫🇮
Aw, glad you enjoyed it, friend!
Thank you very much for this comprehensive video of the history of the language in the Moomins! I'm a Finn myself and grew up with the 90's Moomins, and I always found it "weird" that the Swedish dub of the series was in Finno-Swedish (cos surely Swedes would wanna have their dubbed content in "proper" Swedish, right? :'3) I always figured the people is charge of the dubs were lazy :P (my thought process being that since Finland's official languages are both Finnish and Swedish, and people have the constitutional right to have services in their mother tongue, it would be logical to have two dubs, one for the Finnish kids and the other for the Finno-Swedish kids, and they just distributed the Finno-Swedish dub in Sweden too, cos "why bother making two separate dubs in the same language?") But thanks to your video, it all makes perfect sense now, and I'm really happy I stumbled upon it (even if it is 2 years after the publishing of the vid :'3)
One other subject your vid also touches that has been bothering me a lot, is the image of Finno-Swedish being a "lesser" form of Swedish, even amongst us Finns ourselves. Cos during my many years spent in mandatory Swedish for the Finnish classes at school, there'd always (AL.WAYS.) be that one kid who'd be all smug and declare "I don't want to speak Finno-Swedish, I want to speak REAL Swedish". Okay yeah I get that we Finns like to dwell in our sense of backwardness and misery and stupidity, but c'mon fellow Finns, not everything we touch is automatically "gringe" and "foul" and "fake". Swedish is vast, it can handle a lil dialect and geocultural spin :D Anyway, rant over.
Thank you again for the video, it helped me understand the history of the Moomins better, and gave me a lot to think about :3
*Very interesting! Good job :) I can watch everything as long as its about Moominvalley*
Thanks, Gandalf, glad you enjoyed it and that it was interesting to you! :)
Today I learned what a Moomin is and I feel very blessed and educated, they're ADORABLE
Wait people don't know what moonin is?!
It's more of an European thing.
@@Transparencyboo I am European though. I'm from Cyprus
@@Darkfry Darn! Maybe it just did not hit home over there in the same way? Would be interesting to hear about the exposure of Moomin over there.
@@Transparencyboo I looked around but couldn't find if it aired anywhere here.
Give us the moomin primer and also the story of how it got popular in Japan
Kiki has the work cut out for her, haha.
I hope they fricking build the moomin park in my town, despite all the hate they are getting. The Karlstad citicents need to get real and realize how adorable moomin really are. Like CMON you can trash the MOTIONCENTRALEN(movement central) for the moomin park. Somehow I feel like a moomin hater will come to my house now and figure out my identity so they can post propaganda on my house... Its worth it :)
The world is watching, Karlstad!
Love your editing and Moomin content!! Also love the focus on languages and how language is a moving part of culture that shapes and is shaped by other things❣️
Thanks! Hopefully we can bring more interesting stuff for you in the future.
First of all the only lover Snufkin is ever gonna be is nature's lover.
Fight me.
But all jokes aside this was one very beautiful and interesting video. That Moomin music that plays in the background brought up so many nostalgic memories. Thank you for making this amazing video.
Cheers from Finland. 😊
Thank you for making this video. I learned a lot from it. I now understand why some people don't really like the newer reboot. I wasn't able to pin point where moominvalley was set in when I first watched it, and only found out about its origins after I read about tove jansson.
Kiki is a pretty special case too, she is so deep in Moomin that she can be somewhat of a purist I suppose, haha. But anyway, glad that you learned something and found it interesting. Thanks for watching
This was a fascinating video! I'm an American who has recently discovered Moomin and I learned so much from this. Thank you!!
You're so welcome! Thank you! :)
I loved this video, so interesting! As a Finn I grew up with both the Finnish and the Swedish dub. I also lived in the village where the actors for Lilla My and The Police Constable lived, they are actually a married couple so it was always kind of funny and strange to hear our neighbors talk as Moomin figures.
This was a lovely video, and gave me tons of more cultural insight into the Moomins! Id love to hear you talk more about them sometime
I learned SO much from watching this. Absolutely wonderful video essay💜
Thank! Glad you liked it so much! Hope we can entertain more in the future!
This was interesting, thanks for making and sharing
And thanks for watching!
Loved the video a lot! Very informative, and would love to see that Moomins primer video one day. x) Can't wait to check out the other videos you have here, you've got yourself a new sub! Cheers. 🍮
This was a delight to watch! Editing was on point, and the script was just amazing. I really like how you gave a Swede insight on the differences between standard Swedish and Finno-Swedish even if it was with only an example of pronunciation, it really helps drive the point home. I never would have imagined how language would have shaped a large part of the franchise's identity, but now I know :)
This is so interesting! I knew from talking to Swedish friends that Finno-Swedish is called "Moomin Swedish" over there but I didn't know the full history! I thought it was just because of the 90's animated series. Thank you very much! (Also thank you for the respectful history lesson, I genuinely appreciate it)
That was an AMAZING video! I think I've found a new favourite channel!
Ah! Thank you. That is so nice of you to say, hopefully we can live up to being a favorite, gosh!
Yes! We would very much like a Moomin primer.
Great video!
Wow, I haven't read much of the comic strip and I didn't know about it being written in English by default.
Fantastic as always
Thanks, friend! Glad we can entertain you all!
I could listen to yall talk about moomin all day. I esp love the cultural insight, the finno-swedish stuff would've flown completely over my head without it. Ty for video!!!
Hopefully we'll have more Moomin for you eventually :) can't say when, but I'll try to poke Kiki once in a while to get her to write it.
Lovely! As a quite new fan of Moomin, I learned a lot.
We actually learned a lot when writing this, so it's new knowledge all across the board!
Still waiting for the comprehensive Moomin history video
Fun fact: there are currently more than 80 Swedish dialects spoken in Finland. Finland-Swedish is NOT just one dialect.
I remember loving Moomin growing up. Had a couple of those cheap games that came with children's meals from Max(hamburgare på svenska) along with some plushes and I also got a toy-set of the Moomin-house. I don't think I ever saw or even knew of the live-action show, probably since it stopped airing when I was a toddler, but I did catch the anime so maybe I have Moomin to blame for making me a cringe weeb. Really interesting learning about the franchises history, and also very sweet video!
These shows are pretty niche after all, the anime is just a lot more exposed I suppose. Thanks anyway, glad you enjoyed the video :)
Älskar mumin alltså! Den finns en charm med det som väldigt få andra figurer har.
What a great video 👍👍
You're great!
Thanks for this video, I loved learning about Moomin's genuine origins. As someone who was introduced through the 90s show, it's nice to know more about where they came from and how they were meant to be depicted!😸 Also loved learning that apparently Tove is a girlboss. Good to know.
Glad you liked it! Hopefully we'll return to talking more about Moomin at some point.
Hello! random finnish person here! Very interesting video
Gave new perspective and infornation to this long time Moomin fan. Thank you ^u^
Hey, neighbour! Thank you too, for watching, glad you liked it :)
moomin books are my childhood, and even now a big part of my life, thanks for making this
The Moomins are a huge part of our lives as well, it was impossible not to make this!
This must be shared!
We'll let you
Came here from Jan Misali, heard of Moomins from Pikasprey, so I'm gonna watch this!
"För en gångs skull blir en tillgång"! 🤣🤣🤣 I'd never thought about how the finno-swedish dialect is perceived by Swedes before. This was illuminating!
Going through the archives of old newspapers sure was an adventure let me tell you. We have some other kind of weird things that were written about Tove that we might share in another video at some point.
@@Transparencyboo I hope you do! That would be really interesting
i grew up reading and listening to moomin in norwegian so its really neat to hear about the original language versions
Glad you enjoyed it :)
The anime was dubbed to Hebrew and was a cultural juggernaut in Israel in the 90s.
I'm sorry but the Civilization V singlehandedly clip got me PTSD of the time when my older sister and I were absolutely addicted to that game. I alla fall, underbar video, Finlandssvenk dialekten är så söt och jag vet att Pakkoruotsi polisen redan är ute efter mig, de kommer att sparka ut mig från Helsingfors direkt 😂
Hi! I had to subscribe halfway through watching this fantastic video. If you need encouragement to create more Moomin content, this is me saying MORE PLEASE!!! I love having more context for my favourite series.
It's been a while since this video, and well, it might sadly still be waaaays off. The creative process is weird, haha.
@@Transparencyboo I get that! I've been watching all your other videos and enjoying them with my family. Everything you make is amazing. We loved your video on game conservation, especially my husband, who's a software developer, and the majority of his job's contracts are to re-code old games for new operating systems.
Keep following your creative spark, you're amazing people, and so cute, too. 💗
@@forest_green Aw, that's sweet! We're really glad to hear that. We'll continue to do our best and share interesting things in the future as well, and hopefully you and your family will continue to enjoy it as well 🧡 thank you
I remember my mom reading the Russian translation to me as a child. It was definitely pretty dark, but I have fond memories of it. Plus I love the Russian cartoon adaptations too.
Russia has a long and pretty interesting relationship with Moomin that's probably a worthy subject to investigate in itself, we enjoy a lot of the Russian adaptations, especially the 1978 one with stop motion puppets, very beautiful.
*AND L O V E R*
TRUUUUEE
@@Transparencyboo sorry for the question. But im very curious to how moomin and snufkins relationship is generally accepted in your culture?
I tried searching for translated articles or anything of the sort but never found anything.
Thanks a lot in advance
YES
bra video! har aldrig tänkt på att mumintrollen inte ses som så aggressivt finska/finlands-svenska utanför finland & sverige haha
Det är väldigt spännande, lätt att snöa in sig på sitt eget lilla område och glömma den mer globala kontexten :)
And I thought it felt weird that Moominvalley (2019) sounded weird in Finnish dub, but Finno-Swedish dub felt more... Natural? Then I started thinking, when watching 90's cartoon (or anime, whatever you prefer) in Finno-Swedish as a kid (those few times I was channel browsing), it didn't feel weird at all. Yet Those few times I have heard Swedish dub, that has sounded weird.
Dialects are weird I suppose, haha.
Oh my gosh I love your voice
Oh, thank you! That's always nice to hear. 😌♥️
Love this. It came out really well. I think. I passed out after the bit about Moomin's *LOVER*, to be honest.
please make a lot of videos about moomin canon
We'll probably get back to it at some point. Might be a few videos away though. We have so many ideas of what we want to talk about. The document is huuuuge.
Hur Gick Det Sen? is the very first Moomin book I read as a kid, mom would read it to me all the time as a kid^^
That is very sweet, do you still have the book?
Some episodes of Moomins scared me more than the Alien films as a 7 year old kid....yes I watched Alien as a kid, it was my favourite movie xD Anyway, the lighthouse episode is intense as hel!
The island ghost is cool and all, but introducing him as a pair of decapitating feet was certainly a fucking move, haha.
I only remember watching one or two episodes of Moomin when I was a kid. I don't think that in my country it's very well known, unless you're very online!
I had no idea about its origins, and I really don't know how the accents could be adaptated. I don't think in my country people woud identify an accent as Finnish, and I happened to watch it in a co-official language that's not spoken by the majority of the people in my country, adding to the difficulty of changing accents to something that would somehow sound Finnish... I really wonder how it could be done.
Edit: Some typo fixes :3
It's interesting to think about at least, isn't it? :) If you have the possibility you should really read the books by the way, they are lovely~
@@Transparencyboo Yes! Thank you for the video. I'm happy to have learned about this ^^
@@BigBadWolframio
Snufkin.
That is all.
Very gay
he's my stoner friend that actually doesn't exist
:'(
@@Transparencyboo much gay
I seriously am head over heels on how amazing this video is
You know a video will be thorough when you need to establish centuries of history first. For finns and swedes, the history lesson might be redundant, but from an international perspective it's probably completely new.
Video starts at 5:17
No it doesn't.
21:53 who's the actor playing Little My in that clip? She sounds just like the Finnish voice actor for Little My in the 90s animated moomins, Elina Salo.
Just wondering, since Elina Salo has such a unique voice, I've never heard a better suiting Voice for Little My than her, but that stage play My sounded great too!
Edit: it is Elina Salo in that live action one too!! Now i just wonder why she didn't voice the swedish dup for the 90s anime
Yep, that's Elino Salo. Very iconic Little My actor since she played the character for several decades.
Snufkin is not a lover, but a friend. MOOMIN's lover is Floren.
This is what the propaganda would have you think. The books will enlighten you.
I know that Snufkin was modeled after Tove Jansson's boyfriend. But in the anime he is made as a friend.
How I watched moomin was by watching the dutch dubbed version of the anime (I didnt know it was an anime)
A lot of people were introduced to it by the anime, or at least that is the most well known tv adaptation I suppose.
アニメ化において、トーベ・ヤンソン氏の原作の世界観を大切にすることに拘っては、MOOMIN人気は広がりは持ち得ないと思います。69年バージョンと72年バージョンは確かにヤンソン氏の世界観とは違いますが（コミックの世界観とは一部共通している）、それでも世界放映を認めていればMOOMINの世界での知名度は飛躍的に上がったでしょうね。
DRAGON BALLもJourney to the Westに、GHIBLIのCastle in the SkyもGulliver's Travelsに、The Genie Family(ハクション大魔王)はArabian Nightsに、Lupin the Third（ルパン三世）はArsène Lupinに着想を得ていますが、それぞれ原作とはかけ離れたアニメです。原作からの大きな拡張を認めなければ、MOOMIN人気は世代交代とともに衰退するでしょう。
i thought it was spelled Fenno-Swedish. apparently both ways are possible. cool
And now we are the more wiser.
english dub of the moomin anime where all of the characters speak rally english
algorithm and love
More moomin videos
Moomin primer plz!!!!
👀
9:10 gotta love being swedish, watching a video by swedish people, about swedish (and finnish) culture, where english language prevents it from being presented in the best way
It's a bit funny.
yeah while some of the songs in the new show are p sweet in their own right, it very much kills the vibe of the brand
Kiki has gone hardcore on listening to old Moomin records and is very annoyed that Erna Tauro, who wrote basically all Moomin music, got the short shaft.
6:20
What game is this?!
Civilization V
Off with his nose!
"plop"
Jag tycker det går att rimma på stockholmska. "Trän" uttalas mer åt "tren" här.
Jo, men det finns inte så mycket koppling till att Mumintrollen skulle bo i Vasastan.
Is that offer for a Moomin primer still good? ...
Probably! Hard to push things into existence based on how we usually work and schedule things. We don't really have a firm idea of when something will be set as a priority, things just kind of happen, haha.
Tofslan & Vifslan när Vivica Bandler dyker upp (Tove & Vivica var inspirationen)!!
Yeessss!!!
Gustav II Adolf fran Civ V!!!
The boy.
@@Transparencyboo exactly. Lejonet fran Norden!
As Finn it's intresting to hear the Swedish side of things
A friendly reminder:
Finland is not in Scandinavia
I think we can share.
@@Transparencyboo Share what? Sorry for my confusion. :D
@@tonikerminen6883 Nevermind. We could've said Nordics instead. We just like including Finland because we're cool and inclusive like that, lol.
@@Transparencyboo Sure! I get that :D But I think the "Nordic" idea is still better, personally. For a lot of people from outside the Nordic countries, like my girlfriend who's from China, making the distinction between the concepts of Nordic countries and Scandinavian countries can help to showcase that even though the Nordic countries are very similar from the perspective of someone from a place such as China, there are still some key historical, linguistic, and some cultural differences.
Either way, thanks for the response!
@@tonikerminen6883 If we made it today, we'd probably do it differently in more than one way. Chances are we wouldn't even have made it today, haha. It is a pretty old one after all. When you create videos for a few years many of them just get to fester in the depths of your catalogue with errors and ideas that you just wish you could change, but in the end you just can't. It's an interesting (and somewhat frustrating) relationship. Anyway, thanks for your comment!
"Reeducate" Is such an awful word.