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BRZ vs WRX STI - ReMatch [Disrespected Emotion]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2020
- 130kw VS 180kw - Well that was unexpected! We take the BRZ and WRX STI to a smaller track to see if the RWD BRZ can keep up with the JDM Hero STI on a tighter circuit - an unexpected result that we didn't see coming!
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are you guys going to mod the brz? maby supercharger/turbo etc.?
Just call it BRuumZ, because it's a brum brum
Glad the BRZ is getting some well deserved love from the TH-cam car community lately
Got mine in the mail today! Cherry scented literally.... if you also buy the air fresheners. Thanks heaps.
I just noticed Marty is wearing one of the shirts I sent them. I'm happy he liked it enough to actually wear it.
That’s awesome. Were can I get one?
@@Methosthei you can find the link in the description of my videos, if you want to check out the videos as well. Or you can go to RedBubble and search JustAGearHead.
@@JustAGearHead Just looked at your channel, liked what I saw , subscribed.
@@Methosthei Thanks for the sub.
Thats super cool. :)
Marty: turns wheel the smallest degree
Impreza tyres: SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH
Wasnt it 5k for your brz? A high performance clutch doesn't cost that much does it?
Understeer City: Population = Marty.
has the wrong air pressure in those tires. marty is just really timid in the turns. once he started following his corners were easily 20% faster.
Radbug he needs negative camber up front
S F or maybe... those of us who track STis and know from experience you’ll understeer a bitch unless you have decent negative camber.. which any half-brain knows Marty doesn’t because he has no camber adjustment other than stock bolts which net a degree tops. But yes let’s go with your thing
10 years later, Moog is still trying to catch Marty's STI....
Call the brz... and hear me out here...
“Boriz”
Got me weak
@@picke4160 bruz or bruize/bruizer
I didn't know the car was Russian
@@rya3190 blyat
Brz name: Brazzer
Keep up the good work Marty and Moog!
Nice
Wow that's all could think of too, I spelt it BRAZZA
This is literally the only right choice!
This. The correct name created in 30 minutes flat.
Brazzer? Then call it Barbie.
Glad he finally realized how to corner in the BRZ.
I'm all in for calling her Brazzers lol
Maybe they can get a new sponsor
You know you want a Bangbaru series😂😆🤣
Better then Blue Raging Zit
Got to agree with the comments here, that STi is understeering WAY too much, especially on turn in. That tyre noise is upsetting 😢
Get that rear ARB on the stiffer setting, and replace the front top mounts with Whiteline ones for more camber/castor angle.
Great battle though, love these type of videos by you guys.
Yup, I would love to know their actual alignment specs. My 2001 GC STI barely understeers these days with 6.6deg of caster and -2.5deg camber. I keep the rear at -1.5 camber and run a 25mm front bar, and 17mm rear bar. I have tons of grip.
I hear if you call a car Eleanor then it magically disappears. That would be a cool trick.
Lol done
Its not a mustang tho
@@ajangalbo was still funny tho
@@YeeThirty ya right i agree hahaba
I feel like the STi is understeering way more than it should be. Id soften the front sway, and stiffen up the rear.
Yeah should make a massive difference
It dont think thats the issue, it seems set up right. 4WD does understear but you can correct it with brakes going into a corner. accelerating will understear while breaking is gonna transfer load to the front and give better traction.
break, rotate and pin it when you have a clear line out of the corner is what im told with 4WD. could be wrong though
@@Zesserie All i know is on my STi (06, so slightly different but not much), I much preferred the oem front sway bar with a 24mm rear. The car rotates well, and hardly understeers at all. This is only based on autox experience, and lots of back road driving. No actual on track experience.
Cant Be Arsed could be wrong?yes, you are wrong... the car is setup poorly
I stand corrected i guess, Dont have any real experience racing with 4WD.
that other STI coming out of nowhere was like a Ghost Lap!
happy Gran Tourismo memories! (Sucks when you have that one killer lap, and can't ever quite match it!)
That was a wrx it belongs to Andrew Hawkins at motive garage
This is it guys, this is the one.
@Brad Fuller clearly you do or you wouldn't be so triggered to type that
Bellllllll
Awesome video! You guys are really a good example of what a Car TH-cam Channel should be about! Also, never underestimate lower powered cars!
Moog did an awesome job pushing that BRZ to it's limits! Marty had the advantage on the strait shots for sure but it looked like both of you were really having a good time! Great video as always!
Such an opening statement, "I am here, now, you are in the internet"
Yet I am here now and you are in the internet 😵🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Woah woah woah, hold on there! I'm here and you are in the internet... And they are also!! But... But... Does that mean I'm also in the internet? Do I exist? Is this the Matrix?
I think, I have to lay down for a second and let that sink in 🤯😱
hold up, you mean to tell me that he is there and i am here?
mind blown
Yes, how would they know? :-)
Wherever I go there I am, and sometimes the internet is as well.
Hey Marty, I had similar issues with my WRX 15 years ago. I bought a stiffer antisway bar on the front suspension and it became a snowplough. I saw the light and removed the bar and returned it to factory spec. I then put a stiffer adjustable bar on the rear and Shazam no understeer. Adjust your tyre pressure as well as that can really change the balance of the car and it’s grip. Love the WRC blue coupe!
Agree! I've owned x2 an E2DD and F2DD. Both factory strut and factory swaybars and uprated springs for ride height. I had zero understeer issues. 3rd green light up on the DCCD for loose surface control was bang on👌🏽
Yes, I think hoonigan had a video with Randy Pobst once explaining that Nissan GTR will start to understeer too with heavy front sway bars
@@warummussmeinnameangegeben6502 any car will, sway bars are tuning tools, going too stiff will reduce grip on either axle
Same all the way up to my 2009 WRX Sedan, pushed like a pig in standard form, but really, one bar change away from virtually neutral handling! I think it was their idea of safety or maybe ESC is easier to calibrate for understeer...
@Mark Wessley - the early year model WRX were essentially front wheel drive and they need to be real soft up front on the sway bar and real stiff out back - so they can dig into the corners. This does not feel as sporty as the front end feels like it has too much body roll- but the the tyres will grip and turn and the stopwatch will tell the real story. Cant wait to see Marty refine the setup and chop the bloody BR86!
Always make me smile, when watching your video, and I will be watching them when im in hospital on the 2nd to get me through my recovery from my operation ❤
Great Run Guys!! It was a real pleasure watching you two compete as friends and having a good time!! Thank You
The only thing I can see Marty doing wrong is with Awd he could just drive straight over the grass in the corners , no need for staying on the pavement .
This is just a sarcastic joke in case it’s not clear.
What part of this is a joke to you? Did you even watch the video? This is about LIFE AND DEATH. Marty should have done anything he could to come in ahead of Moog. Crazy that there’s gonna be no more Martin or STI
Fishing for likes you are
Oh great dark humour...
4:17 Marty is concentrating so hard he's entered the Rowan Atkinson zone.
I thought it was just me hahaha
Can this be posted in r/rareinsults ?
@@AlphaAce15 wdym this is a praise not an insult
Rowan Atkinson is a great driver too!
Hardest roast ever
BRZ: blue racing zealot. She has no torque, but she has heart.
Love these videos! The times are so close! Crazy. What's crazier is that the temps didn't go up all day :O that's quality.
Can't wait for you to alter all that with a big snail
The DCCD centre diff in the STi has a 65R/35F torque split when open. This means: the looser the diff, the more oversteer. When fully locked the diff is 50F/50R, the same as a WRX (non-STI). This might be counter intuitive at first. On dry asphalt you use the diff full loose (more oversteer for rotation) and on snow/gravel you can set the diff to full lock (more balance / understeer).
THATS NOT HOW THE DCCD WORKS
The F/R is 41:59 or 35:65 depending on year, the better ones are 41:59, full stop end of story. It is MECHANICAL and can never change. Do not make this common mistake in understanding how it all works
The diff is NEVER completely locked, it still can slip - it just takes a lot more force to do so. The diff going tighter only disallows differences in F/R rotation. And TBH the diff being open just makes it easier to drive - The diff locked can be oversteer city if you throw it in hard enough even on tarmac.
Brz: BLUE BALLS.
It always leaves you wanting more.
Blue Ball-Z ?
Pretty sure it's BRZ, you know with an R and a Z in the name, not a BB whatever that is 🤔
Blue Ragin Ballz?
smiling all the way through this video! great work as always
Gentlemen, under Covid lockdown here in Northern California,. Your antics were much fun to watch. The only road fun I get is driving my 2019 WRX w/stick to the grocery store. Great to hear and see you play with those corners. Yep, those big (heavy) Dodges, Mercedes, Mustangs etc. take me on the straight. I leave them far behind after a curve. Light, small and quick is good. You both got fun cars!
Marty, get some camber plates for the front and dial in some negative camber. It will vastly improve the front end bite. Cheers.
Also coilovers!
A little toe out would help with turn in also. But that's just the drift kid in me talking
Tom Armstrong I daily drive a 06 wrx with some slight camber dialed in and as long as it’s not stupid it doesn’t really affect it, daily driven both stock and with coil overs and camber but tbh it isn’t too hard to just add camber on the day either with coilovers for the track, however I just leave the camber on for both as it helps with some spirited driving, I would only suggest going to around -1.5/2.5 degrees though (for the 06’s anyway)
Or add some caster
See earlier episodes....
Marty fit a higher ratio steering rack from a bug, blob, hawkeye sti 2.5 turns lock to lock or the type RA 2.25 turn lock to lock , all fits night & day improvement only thing needs modified is steering coupling 1/2 gc8 1/2 New age or swap steering column from New age steering rack pipes may need a slight bend best mod U can do for feel .... also try rear auto roll away bar stiffer or front looser to kill understeer, camber plates swapped sides to give more caster 👍
Replying so hopefully the boys see this
Great tip
Look at you being helpful. What has TH-cam come to. :)
Any mk4 legacy racks that are quicker than others?
You guys are awesome and produce some amazing content! Don't ever let the haters get you down or discouraged.
This race was SO EXCITING 😳😀 Thank you so much for sharing this bucket list moment imo
BRZ: Brazzers
because its pure pr0n
and Brazzers vs STI just sounds funny
How about Porn Car/Porn Star? “Porn Star catches STI” 😂
"brazzers" doesn't have enough vegemite in it.
Should call it Brazza'.
I was going to make a suggestion, but this one just wins
fck im late
”BäRZ” is swedish slang for beer. Come on. You are australian after all. Just like the BRZ, beer is impossible not to love. Plus it has ümlauts. Ümlauts god damnit!
Sounds great! That ä is pronounced the way you would pronounce a in the word ban (banned).
Epic! :)
@@GustavBrogren So like "bears"? So to speak?
Forty no like bäsh/bärs
Awsome guys, this face off is realy what i like at this this point of both cars, thx for great content !
Hey dudes. I have been watching you guys for several years now. Im usually a watcher and click the next video but I wanted to show some support to you guys for your awesome effort in making great content. Missed out on your last poster, bummed! Thats okay.
Marty found his razor! Moog talked almost the whole way through that even after saying there'd be no talking. Hilarious.
Don't think he can help it. 😅 We wouldn't have them any other way though ay?
I think it's easyer driving an all wheel drive in this surcomstance so I would give it to moog
11:25 "I own a BRZ and I chopped a Corolla once bahaha H E A D G A S K E T"
-Moog 2020
I was so happy to see this comment
Overwatch sucks, odoyle rules
It's not my cars, but I was smiling while watching this almost the whole time. That vid was fun! Great job guys! ..... More power!
Awesome episode guys, loved watching the STI chasing the BRZ. Great driving 👍
2:28 Legit thought Moog was gunna start singing "A Thousand Miles" right there, car racing and Moog covers? AWSOME.
Some tidy driving fellas. Nice to see Moog getting his assettiveness out with an STI up his butt. Nothing like a bit of pressure to improve performance. As for corners, you'll find the following little gem in classic racing analogies: "Mouse in, Lion out". 👌
Here for the music and content. Mighty Car Mods Awesome as always
Martin , if you're still struggling with understeer into the corners at slower speeds you could be taking the apex too early. Especially with your awd power advantage you want to hit the apex late and power out early xx
Hes forcing the car through turns, instead of finding the flow through a turn.
Although if he forces it hard enough he may be losing time, but the car sure fights it.
Yeah I agree, if you look at later part of your video you tend to hit apex at theorical middle. Where it should be later 3/4 of the corner (late apex) ideally, so you get a longer run on the straight (you can also trail brake to adjust balance).
It would help with accuracy if you kept your hands on the steering wheel more and less feeding as if your parking the car. It's much harder to find centre and smooth transition back to straight if you feed the wheel like that.
Have fun! Can't wait for the brz upgrade!
Also He may want to try double clutching to let the synchros in the transmission not wear out.
@@2JRaz most people that double clutch do it wrong and wear them anyway with slower shifts, may as well just use the things as intended.
I get the feeling that the STI has a very scuffed suspension setup. Never seen a car squeel and scrape with such minor turn in. I'd love to see a professional get behind the wheel and diagnose the issues
"Yep, just throw the whole car away"
BoxRipZ
You guys are awesome. Keep up the awesome content.
Thanks boys. So, so good to see project cars getting driven properly. Sounded epic, knew the Sti would but didn’t think the BRZ could sound so good. 🤘🏻
Can Moog drive the Impreza and Marty drive the BRZ then compare times again?
This has got to be my favourite series right here. Love the sound of the STI exhaust.
When the motive wrx showed up, that was nice.
Thank you for the laughs, thank you for the lessons!
Moog: "You don't wanna look just where you're going, you wanna look AHEAD as well"
~ Pro tips for driving in reverse.
Like the vlog intro very much, please more from this style of filming =D
Great commitment from both of you, tyres are proper loaded up. If I were to advise how to improve, I'd focus on making the line smoother and opening the steering earlier and smoother to use all the track on the exit
When Moog knocked on the "real BRZ", he almost got me. But I remembered that they are sound engineers and could have added that PERFECTLY in post. #FakeBRZ #BRZGate #SoundConspiracy
best comment here
2:28 100% thought Moog was going to give us a rendition of 1000 Miles by Vanessa Carlton.
Me too haha
Ble get get get gah get
Makin my way downtown,
Place is packed and I'm homebound
Same
Man good stuff for just a few go pros. Nice editing
Best track vid session I reckon I’ve seen. Very entertaining! Thanks boys. As for the BRZ name - the Blue Blob! Announcement on the unicorn circuit??
One thing I noticed Marty, is that when you get understeer, you sometimes add even more angle to the wheel. From what I understand, you're already turning as much as possible and if you go further you actually turn even worse. Something to do with contact patch I believe.
Correct, I believe that's why when you watch actual races, they keep turning the wheel back and forth, when on the edge to try and get a better contact patch.
it's to do with coeffecient of friction, once the tyre starts sliding the coefficient goes down and you have less grip
The thing that AWD/4WD excels in is straight line acceleration. With the proper setup, you can trail brake to get the rear to turn around, slide through the last 1/3 of the turn, and get on the power WAY earlier than a RWD can.The effect will be much more prominent on cold or street tires, much the same reason that a FWD will ruin a RWD in a short circuit track, considering same tires and same power.
The WRX needs the right suspension/diff setup, and a bunch of seat time tweaking settings to make it just right, tires not in consideration, to make the time difference between the BRZ. However, on a tarmac track, the BRZ would also greatly benefit from a bit more seat time, and tires that weren't almost scrubbing. Suspension could use a bit of work and take that away.
Would DEFINITELY enjoy a seat swap, and see how Marty does in the BRZ, as well as Moog in the STI. Marty might get used to the BRZ's RWD configuration a lot quicker than Moog will figure out how to thrash the STI.
In advance driving/skid control I was taught that in an understeering condition to as someone has touched on above, to steer out of it and back into it, multiple times until you get the grip
This is down to how the tyre react to whats called the "slip angle", the angle between the direction the tyre is moving, and the direction the tyre is being steered to ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_angle ). All tyres gain grip with increasing slip angle until it reaches a peak, then it starts to drop until it hits a steady value (see the second diagram down on the wikipedia page). On top of this, since the cornering grip of a tyre is perpendicular to the steered angle, as you steer the wheel more, the amount of torque the tyre can give to the car to turn it goes down (imagine trying to pull a door handle standing near the hinge as compared to by the handle). So once the car is understeering, if you steer more, the tyres are giving less grip and the grip they have got is doing less work trying to turn the car.
Prounounce it “Breezy”.
"Good job, Subaru or Toyota... or whoever made this car."
hehe 😄
Love watching the boys actually using themselves.
MOOG. Final corner should be as late an apex as you can to maximise the straight line speed. So opposite to what you're doing in this vid.
MARTY. you wanna take off some speed and reduce lock until the screaming stops from your front tyres. That's just burning rubber not helping turn in. If you leave your DCCD in auto try being heavy on the throttle them moment you notice your hands start to reduce steering lock.
Tip to avoiding hemorrhoids: never bear down fully, ease into the seat and relax
It's funny cause I'm pooping, teehee.
BRZ name: Back Road Zombie, because it really comes to life in the twisty's!
Do you boys sim race? Cheap was to practice and hone your craft. Love your videos, keep up the great work!
Thanks for the shoutout! @10:57
I’m literally watching the oil catch can install and then ping ! New vid!!! Let’s go
Came to watch STI VS BRZ, the second I saw the MR2 that's all I cared about. GO LITTLE SHITBOX GO!
I just love your videos guys I'm always anxiously awaiting for new videos everyday and everytime your videos comes out on the homepage I get excited Btw for brz I'm in the Brazzers band wagon
This video and the other track battle is proof to all that say BRZ isn’t a real car or is slow. I love my 2013 BRZ and the engagement you feel driving it. Just look at the grin on Moogs face. That is literally me every time I drive.
I have the necessary basic boltons UEL Header, Perrin Intake Pipe, OFT tune and light wheels RPF1 (16lbs), Tien coilovers.
I have driven Porsche 911 997, 991.2 , Lambo, Huracan, BMW M4, GTI, WRX, Miata, and for the price used BRZ is the answer for me.
It'll be a different story once you get that blower fitted, Moog.
Martin would be unstoppable if he learned the art of left foot braking in his awd sti...
And got a bigger rear bar and/or smaller front one
I think he more-so needs a bigger rear sway to pull that rear end around.
They already put in bigger sway bars. He said he didn't want to go bigger because he still wants to street the car.
Thinner front bar would reduce understeer a lot. Shouldn't have gone thicher in the front.
Or just try a 3 series BMW and he'll never go back to jdm...
Aha! Quite a few lessons to be learned here.
Filming each other (moog being filmed while he comments his own driving...) and marty's headcam showing where he is looking at a given moment (eyes tracking)
Good game on switching places. The BRZ needs a bit , just a tiny bit moore "OOOMPH" to move away.
Awesome Commentary as well!
The sti looks so frustrating do drive, the BRZ looks like a blast! .. Greay anyway with some mcm vids with actual car driving!
I see More agressive driving from Marty. I Like that... a lot
Same here. It's got my bwalls all moist n stuff
Marty might wanna decrease tire pressure with those stiff sway bars because the car might want some body roll
nice content gents. thanks so much!!!
That was exciting to watch. Thanks for taking us internet people round the track. BRZilla
How was Moogs braking drift, kept the line and everything that was nice. Keichi Tsuchiya would be proud.
Marty needs a driving day with Bunta' to learn the Sti....
Thanks for letting me be a virtual passenger. It was fun to watch.
Name the BRZ “breezy” haha it would be hilarious with pun intended 😂
BRZ eh sounds like like a blue raspberry zebra to me, it's just missing a good old zebra stripe wrap for the ultimate disrespect.
Lol was just thinking BRZ Blue Racing Zebra and saw your comment. Lol
I have a big... BIG... BIIIIGGGGG... muscles!!! HAHAHA!!! What did you think I was going for? That's so DIRTY of you! GAGAGAGA!!! I am the funniest TH-camr ever! Maybe that's the reason why I have TWO (!!!) HOT (!) GIRLFRIENDS. Thanks for being alive, dear buzz
@@AxxLAfriku Plot twist: the girlfriends are your hands.
Actually, is it a plot twist if it's real life?
aww nice, i was thinking Blurry Racing Zebra
@@EXP6 i though the same thing lol
“Blair’s Rakish Zeal” 😂 That’s a fruitful name for ya
Brilliant
Racing
Zoid
The more I see that BRZ going all out, the more I want one. What a mad car!
Some serious grip issues with the sti
Its squealing at even the slightest turn
Yeah, there is definitely something wrong there.
@ChrisHallett83 that shitbox wrx is also on a crazy tyre compared to michilien pilot sport 4's. Also raced a full season to get the car set up to where it is now
Marty:
I'm watching a TH-cam video, not driving the car or experiencing the track, so I'm not going to tell you I know what's going on. But having experienced a similar situation, I'm curious if you could inexpensively/DIY modify your understeer situation by running factory sway bar in the front, uprated aftermarket in the rear. Heck, that could be a series on its own: Playing around with blending OEM and modification to change a car's dynamics. :D
Fun race, guys! I enjoyed watching that. Happy weekend!
There’s really expensive ways to fix understeer in Subarus and then there’s the way everyone else does it; tight rear loose front. (Lol)
a beefy rear would do more than a front swaybar could do by quite a margin. this is the experience i have.
If I remember correctly he already has adjustable sway bars in the STI. He could put the rear on in a bit more stiffer setting and hit a few laps. If that alone does not satisfy the front could be loosened a notch.
I've heard the STIs are understeer heavy and when they were rallied the drivers always trail braked their car mid corner to put weight on the front and introduce just a little oversteer. This also happens to be exactly what adjustable sway bars are for.
THANX GUYS✌✌✌✌ MUCH LOVE FROM DETROIT 👍 👏👏👏👏
You guys are the best.
You should do a track battle with Speed Academy in the future in some way, would be fun xD (and far away...)
I love how Marty has stumbled across trail braking hahah I wonder if they will stumble across lift of oversteer ;)
Marty to reduce understeer you can go back to a stock front sway bar and get a bigger rear bar. or get stiffer springs in the back aswell. also practicing steering/brake/accel timing to create the right weight transfer to oversteer is important as well.
I know it’s off topic, but I just watched the entire supercharged mini series again. I would sure love to see you guys do a mk1 Volkswagen Golf/GTI build. So much engine bay to work with and so much classic track potential:)
8:21 pretty sure that is Andrew hawkins from motive DVD in that other subaru
That was a very nice little 127 I'd have liked to see more of that.
Ha, glad someone else noticed.
A 127 was my first car, followed by a 124cc.
Happy days.
I enjoy how each video I can recall ends with getting something to eat!!
That head cam looks well cool it's like you're actually in gt console game🤣👍 surely the suspension setup on that Impreza could be improved so much more, and the supercharger on that brz going to make it a weapon👍 but Fiesta at the start would have been an interesting chat and I think you should have have a Mitsubishi Evo chasing you on the track.
BRZ is the airport code for a place in Ivory Coast called Borotou, how’s that for a name?
This. I really like this one. Well suggested my dude
Brz name:
Barely Reaches Zoom
Outstanding.
Name it big racing zebra lol I just wanted to comment 😝 you 2 are the best to watch
"Bum Rattling Zinger"