@@sunnydee7745 well it's not too surprising, sophisticated AWD system and it's a 4 door sedan with a heavier, super old inefficient engine(heavy engine for its size). Ultimately, this is an embarrassing result for the STI.m yowza
The guy in the BRZ was better at shifting. (even though he missed a gear a couple times) If the WRX had a better driver and power shifted he would of took off. The BRZ is NA but the WRX relies on the turbo being spooled.
Lol at the nervous laugh of the guys in the STI, seems like they were not expecting your BRZ to be right beside them throughout the run. That 2nd gen BRZ is impressive!
I'll be in Florida by the time someone figures out how to crack the ECU and start offering tuning solutions. So I'll have to find someone else in Florida
Very interesting! People speculated Subaru down rated the new BRZ at 228 HP where it really should have been in the 240 range since it was putting down 40 WHP over the older one... so against the STI it is 60~70 HP down (allegedly) but also 600+ lbs lighter. Very happy for BRZ but this is also just another evidence that Subaru needs to do something about STI's engine...and this is coming from 06 STI owner... At this rate I'll end up with a newer BRZ before I get a new STI.
Let’s be honest we all expected the STI to put a decent gap on the BRZ 😅, I’m actually really surprised what that BRZ can do with that new N/A 2.4, imagine if it had the new 2.4 turbo boxer of the Subaru ascent or the new WRX 😰🥴😬
sti's are really not fast at all, if you've ever driven one. They have great launch, which makes their 0-60 time impressive. But beyond that, they're slow as you've just seen.
The STI's strongest attribute is its launch. Negating its launch by starting from a roll isn't really much of a race at all. Launch is such an important part of an actual race.
If the BRZ had a stock turbo that kept roughly within its current budget, it wouldn't be as tight or as responsive as it is with NA. That's the entire point of the car
Dude, I just spent nearly every spare moment of the past 3 days catching up. June to present. What a wild sequence of events. So glad it's all working out! Even if it is stressful.
Literally been waiting for somebody to do this race. Currently own a stock wrx, so it's interesting to know how quick the brz is. In a perfect world I'd probably own both!
@@WyattChurchill stock is slow as hell but if you build it right they are pretty responsive to bolt ons and a rlly good tune . My sti only has a intake and full exhaust with a dyno tune and from only that is pushing 330 wheel and 380wtq which made a massive difference. Now I’m keeping up and beating cars that it should’ve be able to lol p
@@skatinemcee "Slow" is relative and somewhat subjective. My STI is far from the fastest car on the road but its plenty quick for me especially in the corners. I forgot how much people drive 800 whp cars in the comments
@@BitcoinTo150K Ok I agree in that Subaru should have beefed the STI to 330-350 HP within the past few years. Again, STIs arent known for straight line speed. The Camry would get absolutely dusted in the canyons by an STI
@@BitcoinTo150K Well yeah the Miata was made for that. However, thats like saying my 10K K swapped Civic would dust 90% of v6 and v8s on the road. We buy certain cars for specific reasons. Never bought the STI to be the fastest on the road lol
Got the 2018 WRx Sti and added the Subie Mods Cobb Stage 1 package. Just like this STi's setup. The ECN tune takes my 4 year old ride to a whole new level.
This is more a testament to the limitations of the Cobb OTS tune than anything else. A protune even on a bone stock sti will change the results markedly.
The BRZ is also 500-600lbs lighter than the WRX. (also looks like the WRX had a passenger, so that's another 150-200lbs). So you are looking at upwards of 800lbs difference there.
@@AthenaAutocross or 650 by your math. However the brz is meant to be a budget sports car not fast in a straight line. WRXs have been fast for a long time.
@@Tool0GT92 The old WRX sure, but the newer ones, not so much. Especially the 2018, which has a 0-60 that upwards of a second slower than the 2015. The 2018 is pretty common to pull a 0-60 of 5.7-5.8 seconds. It's not really quick like the older models, 2015 was good for 4.9 to 5.3 0-60.
If I were in the market for a new coupe I could mess around with, it would be the GR86 variant of this car. I really like how far they have come. Especially since I drove the FRS when it first came out. Cant wait to see how they do with a tune. Thanks for the content! 😊
Damn that's painful but good run for the BRZ. Cobb Tunes are trash though. I went from 388bhp to 450bhp in my RS going from a Cobb Tune to a actual JST Tune.
Nice race. BRZ/GR86 are putting north of 200whp on dynos so I’m thinking that Toyota slightly underrated the car. The BRZ also has pretty good top end thanks to its much higher revving engine. The BRZ is so far a 11/10. They knocked the redo out of the damn park.
Great match up! Definitely not the result I was expecting. The STI reminds me so much of my 07 MazdaSpeed6. On paper (and in mags) that car was supposed to be so quick, but unless you’re dumping the clutch at 4k RPM from a dig, it was just marginally quick. Don’t get me wrong, it was a fantastic car; it handled amazing, looked great and was fun to drive, but similar to the STI, it’s just not that fast from a roll. They run out of steam up top.
Yeah. Meanwhile the BRZ LOVES to be up top. Especially the first gen. Second gen is more like a K24, more powerful on the low and especially mid range, torque and grunt for days. Cannot wait to see what the tuners do with the FA24, it's gonna be a legendary engine.
I was not expecting this race to be as close as it was. I figured the STI would just walk away from basically a bone stock BRZ with a cat back on it. That’s impressive. Great races.👌🏽🔥🔥
Hi Cameron, new to your channel. Just picked up a 22 GR86 a couple weeks ago and just want to say I'm loving the car and your BRZ content. Can't wait to see what's next :)
I knew it you live in that area. I was stationed at Beale but now I’m in Guam. Love your videos. I just got a 2022 Civic Si. Waiting for the goodies 👍🏽
Check oil after about a minute of turning off the engine or while running. Basically your sump needs to be full while the engine is running and fully lubricated. Specially for boxer engines, Proper oil is critical.
So jealous of the weather there Cam. Just got done using the snow blower on over 20" up here in New England. Don't you miss it ?? It's cool and all but the STI and that EJ are freaking dinosaurs. Still cool to see the little BRZ keep up and keep the STI honest.
Thanks for showing this race. I just sold my Stage 2 pro tuned 2012 WRX and have been trying figure out what to replace it with. I think this video sealed the deal for a 2022 BRZ. Really surprised how close that was!
I had a stage 2 2011 WRX with a pro tune that I sold last year. Though the new BRZ really does surprise me, in the almost $40k price range, I'd rather go for something a little more classy and refined with a turbo, or if I'd go NA it would be something with significantly more than a 2.4. Idk, I never really liked the BRZs personally but I understand the appeal, especially now. Not great but surprising.
@@graymatter242 yeah I’m actually torn between the new GR86 or a 2022 Camaro LT1 6 speed manual. I know - kind of a weird combination of cars I’m cross shopping . Main thing is I want a RWD NA car. I’m actually leaning towards the Camaro now. The markups and availability of the GR86 is terrible now. However, most Chevy dealers will special order a Camaro at MSRP or below where I live. So the price difference between a GR86/BRZ and LT1 is negligible. What are you looking at getting to replace your WRX?
I'm quite surprised at how quick the new BRZ/GR86 is. I was actually thinking about getting the GR86, but then decided to go all out and got the GR Supra 3.0 instead
Daaaaamn I was just starting to think "hey the power weight is pretty similar to the wrx now, wonder how it stacks up" and googled to find a comparison... Can't wait to see what a supercharger will do!
I was torn between the 22 BRZ and 22 WRX. I know the WRX gets a lit of hate for its looks, but with a few mods I already know it can look great. However I am soooo glad I chose the BRZ.
I own a 2013 wrx with a similar engine. I had the Cobb tune and it was ok. Not great for power. Got the torqued performance tune and it really opened it up. Safe and smooth. Highly recommend. Great races
That was fun to watch but the thing is neither car is meant to go fast in a straight line. They are both fun curvy mountain road cars. Brz in the Summer and STI in the winter.
about a 700lbs difference if you count the passenger and maybe a little more considering aftermarket exhaust tend to be lighter than stock they defiantly fixed one of the major issues with the brz
Big facts. Just watched first run & im impressed tbh🥵 good job Subaru. But yeah you hit it right on the nose, Brz way lighter. They also got more power than previous gen🤷♂️ plus a tune & some boost(don’t gotta be a whole lot) would take a lot of people to grapple bees 🐝
Awesome Race! Ive had my 2022 BRZ limited trim with the auto trans for over a month now and this thing is pretty fast, i went against a current gen V6 camaro from 70-120 and after a 100 i was losing him, this car feels like a video game with how easy it is to throw the back out and correct, incredible balance and the chassis Rigidity is superb!
Wow. I was expecting bus lengths. That was not bad at all. BONE STOCK! Just wait till you throw on a CAI, catless exhaust and a tune. BRZ 86 will be flying but with far better handling. I’m absolutely shocked.
I used to have a brz, now an STi. I'm actually happy the brz can hang. Looks like its time to trade up lol. I'm waiting for a midcycle refresh hopefully offering a brembo package.
In the immortal words of Colin Chapman “added lightness” This is why the price is skyrocketing for older, lighter, sports cars. Weight takes so much away, not just from acceleration, but handling and braking too.
Makes sense, I was on my way home from work when I guy came up on my from behind in a new brz And at the red we took off, surprised me because I didn’t expect it to be close. We went a good 3 digits and I was like damn ok I needa get one. Edit: there is no Sti coming lol
@@NeXuS858 on the first gen FRS/BRZ/86 adding just e85 could add over 20hp...which for an NA car is substantial and even more so with only 2700lbs to move.
@@NeXuS858 honestly i don't know the technical details, but i did know that people got some pretty decent results (myself included) when going e85 on gen1 with an UEL header and tune so excited to see how the 2.4L reacts
Burns oil? Is this typical of Subaru? My 07' Si does so I need to check about once a week to be safe...Good video Cameron, thanks for the content as always.
I really want the new FA24 but I just got my 2017 BRZ 2 years ago and new cars are just so expensive right now with dealers marking them up 10 grand or more. The only other alternative to getting my hands on that powertrain would be to motor swap the FA24 into my first Gen.
2018 Sti, check comp on cylinder #2. My ringlands failed at 20k, started noticed dropping power at 15k. Stock. Excessive blow by. U should have walked that thing.
600lb difference between the 2 cars. The STi needs a lot more hp to make up for the weight. With the better off-the-shelf handling, the BRZ will smoke the STi in the canyons. Plus, since the BRZ doesn’t have a turbo, it won’t burn oil like the STi.
@RaidsVFX i can assure you it puts down that. I have an 05. Not stock but when it was stock its slow. Mine its stage 2 but im going with 20g turbo upgrade. If anyone is reading this and has an sti. Do not go e85 lol
I knew the power to weight ratios were similar, but wow!
The man himself!
@@krylotik the STI is a joke
You would not say that if this was a real STI.
The brz weights 2800lb, and the sti 3300lb, 500 pound difference, the sti is surprisingly kinda heavy lol
@@sunnydee7745 well it's not too surprising, sophisticated AWD system and it's a 4 door sedan with a heavier, super old inefficient engine(heavy engine for its size).
Ultimately, this is an embarrassing result for the STI.m yowza
This was a LOT closer than I though it would be.The STI won't be slow for long though! Thanks for the race Cam!!
Props to the passenger for keeping the camera steady.
The guy in the BRZ was better at shifting. (even though he missed a gear a couple times) If the WRX had a better driver and power shifted he would of took off. The BRZ is NA but the WRX relies on the turbo being spooled.
STO still sounds better and look better
Isn't the brz a lighter car too? The race results seems to be expected especially at a roll
Was the Sti even in sport sharp????
Really enjoying the mix of BRZ and type R content!!
thanks :)
Lol at the nervous laugh of the guys in the STI, seems like they were not expecting your BRZ to be right beside them throughout the run. That 2nd gen BRZ is impressive!
Pretty interesting results. I can’t wait to see a rerun once your tuned as well . .. nice job. Great content
I agree
I'll be in Florida by the time someone figures out how to crack the ECU and start offering tuning solutions. So I'll have to find someone else in Florida
@@Camhill182 race the type r with the Sti
@@diegolemus6105 Stock type R will gap the STI 100%.
Very interesting! People speculated Subaru down rated the new BRZ at 228 HP where it really should have been in the 240 range since it was putting down 40 WHP over the older one... so against the STI it is 60~70 HP down (allegedly) but also 600+ lbs lighter. Very happy for BRZ but this is also just another evidence that Subaru needs to do something about STI's engine...and this is coming from 06 STI owner...
At this rate I'll end up with a newer BRZ before I get a new STI.
86 should be the same in the 240s then no?
I really hope they give the STI at least 340 hp in the new gen. But I fear we'll be looking at 306 hp, for a massive gain of... 1 hp :(
supposidly the new sti will have 400ps with the new 2.4l engine, but will see
It's 40-50hp over the first gen but that's only because first gen was rated 200hp but it actually did 160hp. Second gen does slightly over 200hp.
First gen is rated at 200bhp and was making 160-170whp
Let’s be honest we all expected the STI to put a decent gap on the BRZ 😅, I’m actually really surprised what that BRZ can do with that new N/A 2.4, imagine if it had the new 2.4 turbo boxer of the Subaru ascent or the new WRX 😰🥴😬
th-cam.com/video/Mcp76132_SY/w-d-xo.html That engine wouldn't help much at all
sti's are really not fast at all, if you've ever driven one. They have great launch, which makes their 0-60 time impressive. But beyond that, they're slow as you've just seen.
The STI's strongest attribute is its launch. Negating its launch by starting from a roll isn't really much of a race at all. Launch is such an important part of an actual race.
@@jonathannavarro6679 Launching is important in drag racing. But drag racing is boring, and to me is not actual racing. Actual racing involves turns.
If the BRZ had a stock turbo that kept roughly within its current budget, it wouldn't be as tight or as responsive as it is with NA. That's the entire point of the car
Dude, I just spent nearly every spare moment of the past 3 days catching up. June to present. What a wild sequence of events. So glad it's all working out! Even if it is stressful.
Whoa! Thats a lot of bullshit between then and now!
That was fun. It's shocking how well this car does against a bunch of cars that I thought would crush it.
That BRZ is quite impressive!
Literally been waiting for somebody to do this race. Currently own a stock wrx, so it's interesting to know how quick the brz is. In a perfect world I'd probably own both!
My thoughts exactly ✌️
Brz will beat a stock wrx lol. Brz is quick!!
@@tommieboi707 This guy was saying he would gap new brz/gr86 with his 2017 wrx premium. But I’m not so sure about that one.
Nice one. The results really shocked me. Unexpected.
This just shows how slow the STI really is
This, but ppl just don't like to accept it
@@francosaval1814 Its cuz its so heavy.. Once I gutted my STI, it made all the difference.
And it’s needed a better engine for a decade already
Oh yeah. Most won't admit, but yeah they're not very quick. I've got a 17 sti myself
@@WyattChurchill stock is slow as hell but if you build it right they are pretty responsive to bolt ons and a rlly good tune . My sti only has a intake and full exhaust with a dyno tune and from only that is pushing 330 wheel and 380wtq which made a massive difference. Now I’m keeping up and beating cars that it should’ve be able to lol p
That is nuts, I did not realize how fast the 2022 BRZ! Or how slow the STI is 😂 Regardless, that was such a good race
@@skatinemcee "Slow" is relative and somewhat subjective. My STI is far from the fastest car on the road but its plenty quick for me especially in the corners. I forgot how much people drive 800 whp cars in the comments
@@BitcoinTo150K Ok I agree in that Subaru should have beefed the STI to 330-350 HP within the past few years. Again, STIs arent known for straight line speed. The Camry would get absolutely dusted in the canyons by an STI
@@BitcoinTo150K Well yeah the Miata was made for that. However, thats like saying my 10K K swapped Civic would dust 90% of v6 and v8s on the road. We buy certain cars for specific reasons. Never bought the STI to be the fastest on the road lol
When you drive a WRX in the snow you quickly realize what it was designed for and it isn’t drag racing.
The Sti is not a roll race car. Most awd cars are not roll race cars. Should have did a dig and watched the Sti jump out a few cars
Just got a 2019 si.. thanks to you bro.. love your work.. keep up the good work.
This was the perfect video to bypass a boring match on Royal Rumble :)
Great race
It actually looked like the brz was gonna pull ahead once the sti hit 5th too! and 5th is a pretty gnarly gear in the sti! damn these new brz are nice
So surprised by the results of this! Great work!
Got the 2018 WRx Sti and added the Subie Mods Cobb Stage 1 package. Just like this STi's setup. The ECN tune takes my 4 year old ride to a whole new level.
This is more a testament to the limitations of the Cobb OTS tune than anything else. A protune even on a bone stock sti will change the results markedly.
Dont't know why everyone is surprised. BRZ traps 101 1/4mile, sti traps 102-103, so they are pretty even out to 100mph.
thats actually impressive seeing as the sti is making 305hp stock but hes got a OTS tune intake and muffler delete the BRZ has rlly improved
Cameron my dude I'm soo freaking impressed with your BRZ. Was not expecting those races to be that close. Great job brother.
Can't believe how close this race is 0.92 hp/Lb sti vs .79 brz, and it does have a tune also
Gearing makes a difference
Seems from dyno numbers Subaru may have been light on their rated HP numbers for the new BRZ too 👀
@@petethecarfreak3486 really? That's the first I've heard that
@@BunnyBUNGALO yeah the new one makes almost 50 WHP more than the old one
So a stock brz could beat a wrx and keep up with an STI not bad
The BRZ is also 500-600lbs lighter than the WRX. (also looks like the WRX had a passenger, so that's another 150-200lbs).
So you are looking at upwards of 800lbs difference there.
@@AthenaAutocross or 650 by your math. However the brz is meant to be a budget sports car not fast in a straight line. WRXs have been fast for a long time.
@@Tool0GT92 The old WRX sure, but the newer ones, not so much. Especially the 2018, which has a 0-60 that upwards of a second slower than the 2015. The 2018 is pretty common to pull a 0-60 of 5.7-5.8 seconds. It's not really quick like the older models, 2015 was good for 4.9 to 5.3 0-60.
600$ tune on the WRX will beat the STI.
@@AthenaAutocross
That’s not a wrx, that’s an sti without the wing… the new brz would smoke the same year wrx
I’m blown away by this video. Good job! I need to see it with another set of cars and drivers before I’m totally sold tho!
If I were in the market for a new coupe I could mess around with, it would be the GR86 variant of this car. I really like how far they have come. Especially since I drove the FRS when it first came out. Cant wait to see how they do with a tune. Thanks for the content! 😊
Thanks for the nice comment!
@@Camhill182 You're very welcome! Keep up the great work!
Damn that's painful but good run for the BRZ. Cobb Tunes are trash though. I went from 388bhp to 450bhp in my RS going from a Cobb Tune to a actual JST Tune.
Giving the people what they want. Great videos
I went from driving a used 2005 neon to a brand new GR86. these cars are super nice especially comparing against the previous gen
Nice race. BRZ/GR86 are putting north of 200whp on dynos so I’m thinking that Toyota slightly underrated the car. The BRZ also has pretty good top end thanks to its much higher revving engine. The BRZ is so far a 11/10. They knocked the redo out of the damn park.
BR86*
Great match up! Definitely not the result I was expecting. The STI reminds me so much of my 07 MazdaSpeed6. On paper (and in mags) that car was supposed to be so quick, but unless you’re dumping the clutch at 4k RPM from a dig, it was just marginally quick. Don’t get me wrong, it was a fantastic car; it handled amazing, looked great and was fun to drive, but similar to the STI, it’s just not that fast from a roll. They run out of steam up top.
Yeah. Meanwhile the BRZ LOVES to be up top. Especially the first gen. Second gen is more like a K24, more powerful on the low and especially mid range, torque and grunt for days.
Cannot wait to see what the tuners do with the FA24, it's gonna be a legendary engine.
Great run dude, these cars are surprising everyone!
Thanks! They sure are
holy i did not expect the brz to be that close
Definitely surprised me, and I work for Subaru corporate haha. Glad to hear you're enjoying the 22MY BRZ.
Oh sweet! I'd work for Subaru!
I love the first Gen exterior design better, but the performance of the second Gen is impossible to ignore. Well done Toyota/Subaru
The first gen had more character. It feels like the second gen is just trying to blend in with the Subaru lineup
@@skitzoid8202 I haven’t driven the new Gen to make an opinion, but we shall see :)
@@Wolfen_Argent I was talking about styling, not driving dynamics haha
@@skitzoid8202 ooooh I completely agree with you then 😁
I was not expecting this race to be as close as it was. I figured the STI would just walk away from basically a bone stock BRZ with a cat back on it. That’s impressive. Great races.👌🏽🔥🔥
Yeah friggin crazy. The BRZ does rev higher though and I think having longer legs helped it tremendously.
Hi Cameron, new to your channel. Just picked up a 22 GR86 a couple weeks ago and just want to say I'm loving the car and your BRZ content. Can't wait to see what's next :)
Either way I love having my STI. Love having a fast great handling car out to the snow and basically anywhere
I knew it you live in that area. I was stationed at Beale but now I’m in Guam. Love your videos. I just got a 2022 Civic Si. Waiting for the goodies 👍🏽
I really wanted a dig race 🏁 but the video was nice!! Thanks
Expected a similar result . Their PtW is near ratio . Both good cars
Does Cam have a factory freak? Holy moly that was awesome!!!
Check oil after about a minute of turning off the engine or while running. Basically your sump needs to be full while the engine is running and fully lubricated. Specially for boxer engines, Proper oil is critical.
I’m curious how my accord V6 would do against your BRZ, I dyno’d the car and it was 260 whp and 248 wtq
You’d lose
@@PaDiddy98 doubt, they arent that much heavier
@@jimmypena2442 brz beating a accord brother..
@@PaDiddy98 that’d mean the brz can keep up with the v6 pony cars. I think itd be close, accords got top end with the j35
@@jimmypena2442 brz beats / keeps up with pony’s as well 🤣
This was fire 🔥
Weight difference plays a huge part in racing 👌
That is so impressive that the stock brz can almost keep up with the 2018 sti one a stage one tune even though they had a passenger. Very good race
So jealous of the weather there Cam. Just got done using the snow blower on over 20" up here in New England. Don't you miss it ?? It's cool and all but the STI and that EJ are freaking dinosaurs. Still cool to see the little BRZ keep up and keep the STI honest.
I do miss the snow a little bit, just not 5 months of it!
Thanks for showing this race. I just sold my Stage 2 pro tuned 2012 WRX and have been trying figure out what to replace it with. I think this video sealed the deal for a 2022 BRZ. Really surprised how close that was!
I had a stage 2 2011 WRX with a pro tune that I sold last year. Though the new BRZ really does surprise me, in the almost $40k price range, I'd rather go for something a little more classy and refined with a turbo, or if I'd go NA it would be something with significantly more than a 2.4. Idk, I never really liked the BRZs personally but I understand the appeal, especially now. Not great but surprising.
@@graymatter242 yeah I’m actually torn between the new GR86 or a 2022 Camaro LT1 6 speed manual. I know - kind of a weird combination of cars I’m cross shopping . Main thing is I want a RWD NA car. I’m actually leaning towards the Camaro now. The markups and availability of the GR86 is terrible now. However, most Chevy dealers will special order a Camaro at MSRP or below where I live. So the price difference between a GR86/BRZ and LT1 is negligible. What are you looking at getting to replace your WRX?
@@daveg6530what did you end up getting?
Fire video bro!!!!!! wish i was there to help film. keep pushing them videos my guy :)
we need to do some videos this week
I'm quite surprised at how quick the new BRZ/GR86 is. I was actually thinking about getting the GR86, but then decided to go all out and got the GR Supra 3.0 instead
Daaaaamn I was just starting to think "hey the power weight is pretty similar to the wrx now, wonder how it stacks up" and googled to find a comparison... Can't wait to see what a supercharger will do!
I'll never get tired of the EJ sound
Well theres the 500 pound weight difference + passenger and the gearing also plays a part. That's why the wry has very similar 0-60 to the sti.
I was torn between the 22 BRZ and 22 WRX. I know the WRX gets a lit of hate for its looks, but with a few mods I already know it can look great. However I am soooo glad I chose the BRZ.
Awesome video brotherr!!
91 tune is just power robbing tune
we need to see your brz race your type R somehow. curious how that will go down
I'm not doing that. It would be a waste of time and resources. theres no competition in straight lines
@@Camhill182 says the guy who only does roll races on the channel
@@satchels6451 what
@@satchels6451 you do realize his type r will walk this sti by bus lengths, so imagine what it would do to a stock brz lol… think before you type
@@satchels6451 he’s saying the type r will destroy the brz… lol
That’s crazy how close this is
What?? Even with an OTS tune?? Crazy
I own a 2013 wrx with a similar engine. I had the Cobb tune and it was ok. Not great for power. Got the torqued performance tune and it really opened it up. Safe and smooth. Highly recommend. Great races
yeah WRX's and STI's always been v slow
That was fun to watch but the thing is neither car is meant to go fast in a straight line. They are both fun curvy mountain road cars. Brz in the Summer and STI in the winter.
about a 700lbs difference if you count the passenger and maybe a little more considering aftermarket exhaust tend to be lighter than stock they defiantly fixed one of the major issues with the brz
I know STI's are heavy but man, a tuned STI could barely beat a stock BRZ. Once you start tuning that BRZ, you'll be taking people to Gapplebees.
I'm excited
Big facts. Just watched first run & im impressed tbh🥵 good job Subaru. But yeah you hit it right on the nose, Brz way lighter. They also got more power than previous gen🤷♂️ plus a tune & some boost(don’t gotta be a whole lot) would take a lot of people to grapple bees 🐝
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Awesome Race! Ive had my 2022 BRZ limited trim with the auto trans for over a month now and this thing is pretty fast, i went against a current gen V6 camaro from 70-120 and after a 100 i was losing him, this car feels like a video game with how easy it is to throw the back out and correct, incredible balance and the chassis Rigidity is superb!
Nice! I'm glad to hear you love your BRZ too. I haven't really tried out the handling yet, but will very soon!
@@Camhill182 You'll be very impressed once you do, the brz loves the twistys!
why no elantra N DCT at that point?
A stock tune BRZ keeping up with an tuned STi blows my mind.
Wow. I was expecting bus lengths. That was not bad at all. BONE STOCK! Just wait till you throw on a CAI, catless exhaust and a tune. BRZ 86 will be flying but with far better handling. I’m absolutely shocked.
That was awesome. Really surprising outcome, but looked like a fun time!
It's called power to weight ration. Nice!
I used to have a brz, now an STi. I'm actually happy the brz can hang. Looks like its time to trade up lol. I'm waiting for a midcycle refresh hopefully offering a brembo package.
I had a 17 BRZ with the factory Brembo's other than being slow the Brembo's can't be beat , they look awesome. Worth every penny.
Great video bro 😎
Damn they really did a great job with the new BRZ / GR86 , pretty good all around performer , good stuff!
Power to weight man! Great races brz is sold this time around
WOW The BRZ is special
lets gooooo another crazy race
I was very shocked by this result.. thought the STI would destroy the BRZ. That new BRZ must be pretty quick, wish I could drive one.
same, sti would destroy the old brz
Been waiting for this race! Have been thinking of trading my sti for one
LETSSS GOO CANT WAIT FOR MINE THIS WEEK
congrats! You're gonna love it
Power to weight ratio
The BRZ’s are quick and so fun to drive. The driver of the sti wasn’t really pushing it though, they were short-shifting it a bit.
He also really wasn’t shifting hard or flat foot shifting
Granny shifting, not double clutching like he should.
In the immortal words of Colin Chapman “added lightness”
This is why the price is skyrocketing for older, lighter, sports cars. Weight takes so much away, not just from acceleration, but handling and braking too.
Just raced a new brz last night i have a fbo 300zx na .. i beat him but the brz wasnt far behind very impressed
Holy snokesss!!!! Stock BRZ puttin in some work. Definitely not gonna be running any of them 😂 until I get some work done to my car.
Makes sense, I was on my way home from work when I guy came up on my from behind in a new brz
And at the red we took off, surprised me because I didn’t expect it to be close. We went a good 3 digits and I was like damn ok I needa get one.
Edit: there is no Sti coming lol
91 ACN tune is so weak, it would probably be faster stock
Sube needs to make a BRZ WRX. Great video!
Crazy. I had a 2014 and never imagined there would be this much difference. They're 100% lying about the crank hp numbers.
Surprising results! That probably means once everyone does the FBO e85 special, the BRZ will probably be pretty quick!
E85 doesn't do much for N/A cars.
@@NeXuS858 it does decent for high Compression ratio engine
@@qqff3192 it's something, but the bigger jump is on FI cars.
@@NeXuS858 on the first gen FRS/BRZ/86 adding just e85 could add over 20hp...which for an NA car is substantial and even more so with only 2700lbs to move.
@@NeXuS858 honestly i don't know the technical details, but i did know that people got some pretty decent results (myself included) when going e85 on gen1 with an UEL header and tune so excited to see how the 2.4L reacts
Nice content brother. I'll be waiting for more Gen 2 BRZ/86 related progress and content. Where are you located again?
Burns oil? Is this typical of Subaru? My 07' Si does so I need to check about once a week to be safe...Good video Cameron, thanks for the content as always.
Heel toe is for hard braking. Not light or medium
People yall gotta realize the sti is 1600lbs heavier 😭 , those new brz/gr86 are nice looking cars though no doubt .
More like 600 pounds
I would like to see a rematch when your car gets an intake and tune.
You were pulling on him right before he let off on the first run
I really want the new FA24 but I just got my 2017 BRZ 2 years ago and new cars are just so expensive right now with dealers marking them up 10 grand or more. The only other alternative to getting my hands on that powertrain would be to motor swap the FA24 into my first Gen.
there are plenty of no mark up dealers just gotta look for them.
2018 Sti, check comp on cylinder #2. My ringlands failed at 20k, started noticed dropping power at 15k. Stock.
Excessive blow by.
U should have walked that thing.
Would have been great to see it from a standing start 🤷♂️
Agreed. Rolling races just don't do it for me.
600lb difference between the 2 cars. The STi needs a lot more hp to make up for the weight. With the better off-the-shelf handling, the BRZ will smoke the STi in the canyons. Plus, since the BRZ doesn’t have a turbo, it won’t burn oil like the STi.
those things do like 230-240whp stock not as high as he said. honestly shocked it was that close still.
Yes around 225 whp stock.
@@flat4wankel that’s a wrx an sti is probably 240-250
@RaidsVFX i can assure you it puts down that. I have an 05. Not stock but when it was stock its slow. Mine its stage 2 but im going with 20g turbo upgrade. If anyone is reading this and has an sti. Do not go e85 lol
@@flat4wankel 305 hp to the crank on the new sti’s with the drivetrain loss it’s 250 to the wheels