Hello everyone! Thaanks for your kind comments! I haven't been able to individually respond to a lot of you at this point because as you guys know, I'm on a trip to Canada still and taking more time with my family! A lot of you mentionned me pronouncing "Pisces" wrong. Heh well, I knew it was the zodiac sign, but I thought that's how it was pronounced somehow. :P That's what happens when English isn't your native language. but now that I know I won't mix it up again ;)
Elvann on Jinjer’s new album Macro, there is a song called ‘Home Back’ which has a tantalizing full on jazz break in it. Tatiana’s voice suits it perfectly as you suspected
Your comment on her jazzy style was pretty spot on. Her note choice to harmonize with the strings is one of my favorite things about this song.....and I'm a drummer.......and I think their drummer is SICK!
To be frank, even the Englishman of London would admit that English as a language has a lot of phonetic inconsistency. One group of letters may have 5 different pronunciations in 5 different words. But languages evolve pretty much like live organisms so that explains it.
I recommend you to listen to their song "Teacher, Teacher" then. The singer does even more diverse stuff there, and the first thing I though about the clean vocal parts was that she's giving it a jazzy or bluesy vibe.
Stop recommending the live shit. Sure it's fine for seasoned Jinjer fans, but for someone not already deep dived in to them and a fan, it's not the jam. There are literally a dozen other songs WITH music videos with REALLY good production that a new listener would appreciate more.
Fry screams as seen in this video (and all of Tatiana’s work) by definition do not damage your vocal cords at all, since they bypass them entirely. False cord screams do though, but that’s an entirely different technique and no amount of training can avoid it long-term.
NikosDriehuis I’ve heard her say the opposite. And she also said she never smoked marijuana in her life, yet wears hemp pants and High Life Magazine shirts at a sizable percentage of her shows. She talks. Also, false cord screams require a non-stop full flow of air to maintain, so it is literally impossible to switch from clean vocals and back or to properly enunciate words since you can’t really use your tongue and throat muscles.
I’m not a fun of growling but Jinjer is a great band. I don’t know why but when I hear growl in their songs I like it. And yes, Tatiana often uses some jazzy vocals. Her ability to sing in different styles and to switch between them quickly is amazing! Try Jinjer - Who is gonna be the one (live)
Me too. I'm not a huge fan of growling/screaming. Took years to ever hear passed that with Lamb of God. I don't mind it with Opeth. I like a balance. Jinjer on the other hand feels different. I don't even notice there's screaming. I dig the music so much and her voice fits it so well, it just flows and it's so easy to digest. The new album is really balanced out with all types of singing. They are really a unique band that happens to be fronted by a bad ass woman.
in this song particular I like how clean the video looks, and how clean the growl sounds, if that makes sense. It is not a scream, but an actual growl, and sounds really cool, plus it fits the lyrics really well
Oh my...I love Jinjer almost as much as Nightwish. Almost! One of the most innovative and hard working bands on the Metal scene. I am happy they have graduated to headlining tours now. They are so creative in the way they blend different influences into their music, from jazz to reggae (Judgement & Punishment, from their new album being a good example) and back again. Tatiana is probably the second nicest woman in Metal, after You Know Who. 😜 The whole band are eloquent in interviews, and Eugene runs a close second behind Marko in terms of his mastery of the Bass.
Beggars’ Dance from King of Everything is quite jazzy and all Tati’s clean voice. It’s just a one-off song and quirky in its style. It’s literally what you were just wishing for!💪🏻🤘🏻
What I love about the internet is how it helps you discover new music. I watched this video because it's fun watching people react to a song I like. I then listened to the free song you shared, thank you. Now I'm listening to your music on Spotify. I probably would never have heard your music if it wasn't for this video.
For me it was the other way round: another vocal coach posted an reaction video to this song and I simply fell in love with the band and especially Tatis voice
I’m off to see them on Saturday, for the second time this year. They are amazing live. The energy Tatiana brings is unreal and to see the boys play, especially Eugene (he’s my man crush) is awesome. He is one of the best bassists ive heard - in my opinion. They all blend together so well. Their skills are unparalleled and Tatiana‘s writing skills are what make their songs super special. They touch on some really tough subject matter at times. She is deep! She does have a jazzy style and often says that she enjoys and takes inspiration from that type of music. Amy Winehouse is one of her idols. Who’s gonna be the one has a part at the end where she displays this and a track on their latest album home back. She touches on a reggae vibe on this album also. She’s very versatile and the composition of all tracks is tight! Jinjer doesn’t have a genre.... they are the genre. 👍🏼 Pisces is a great song, but there are much better. I can’t think of one bad song! The track bad water is probably the only song I’ve heard where she just sings cleans. Thanks for the review! 👍🏼 hopefully you will cover some of their other material.
"Beggar's Dance" is very short but another with only cleans. One of my favourite tracks, too. Totally envious that you will see them live this weekend.
If you're looking to react to a live video I'd suggest Jinjer - "Perennial(Live at Wacken)" If you are up for a 30+ minute reaction their set from 2018 is on Resurrection Fest's TH-cam channel.
Jinjer jumps around so many genres that if you listen to enough of their songs, you'll hear her sing in just about every genre at some point. You want to hear their "Post Modern Jukebox" song, listen to Beggar's Dance. No video so you can just listen to the audio track.
Home Back is beautiful and so sad. One of the best anti-war songs ever. Of course few such songs are created by bands as talented as Jinjer, who are themselves refugees of the war in eastern Ukraine.
@@H0pp4k33 Dear moron, I researched these lyrics and as they include the vocalist in the credits. They are correct. Please remove your head out of your own asshole and discover the reality you ignore.
@@H0pp4k33 It's "Scale armour belies virgin innocence" - meaning that her apparent toughness is misleading, she's fragile on the inside. Before you call out helpful posters, perhaps you should do some research. Napalm published the wrong lyrics, so the "official" lyrics are what Terry Shepherd used. Unfortunately, Tatiana's comments on her unhappiness with this error are no longer available on line. Her Facebook page was deleted (hacked, I think) and recreated, so many years of posts were lost. You're just going to have to accept that some people will quote the "official" lyrics.
It's interesting having listened to 5 or 6 of these vocal coaches now, some of them gave technical details about it and the area it comes from, and also explain how she is able to transition easily, some mention that there's a lot of post editing.
this is the only song of theirs that i have heard that i truly enjoy. Her Jazz voice as you say is very very nice. and the growls aren't over used in this song( not the case with the other songs i have heard from them) then you add the band in there this song was just really a piece of art ;)
Great reaction. Awesome that you got to see them live. Having seen them at a regular concert, she's even more mesmerizing up close. :) I never liked growls from anyone male or female until I discovered them and then became an instant fan. One reason the growls sound unnatural in this video is they did two layers. I'd recommend Perennial at Wacken for a recent performance with a balanced mix of growls and cleans which is a master class in stage presence and dramatic performance while singing. There are several people saying Who Is Gonna Be The One which isn't a mistake - it's my favorite song and the official live video is an awesome performance. But its mostly growls so I feel like you'll have more to talk about with Perennial. What she's doing with her growls is a matter of some discussion. There is video of her performing a duet with Lena from Infected Rain but her mic wasn't working but in one section her growls are still audible so it certainly isn't fake. But she seems to be able to get the power of false cord growls which blow a huge volume of air through open vocal cords to make the false cords create sound, while also doing sustained long growling lines which is more characteristic of fry screams with closed vocal cords. It is supposed to be hard to transition between the different styles seamlessly. So she seems to be doing something superhumanly well - either superhuman depth and power in fry screams, superhuman length of growls with false cords, or superhuman control to be able to switch seamlessly between fry screams and false cord growls, or the ability to create growls using some technique nobody else seems to be using.
Mostly growls before the ending of the song, yes. Imho the jazzy ending is what truly makes Who Is Gonna Be The One as great as it actually is. It's one of my favorite songs by them too, and also... Elvann was asking for something jazzy 😉
@@metalspawnpossessed1242 That makes sense, forgot about that. Actually while listening I'd meant to recommend Beggars Dance even though it is short since it is so much fun, and Exposed As A Liar because of the cleans in that which I don't even know what genre they are from - I feel like they should be performed in a sequined dress in front of a black-tie audience with an orchestra, and half a century or more ago.
Tatiana taught herself that vocal technique without help, as well as English. She writes some pretty deep lyrics so the songs are always worth a read. Tatiana also does a majority of the band's artwork as well as design tattoos, art on drum kits, her own alterations on stage outfits and occasional jewelry. She also has said in a interview she does not do the high note on "Pisces" live because she's afraid to screw it up.
This happened to me too, I normally don't like metal at all. But then I found jinjer. And I really love it. I love Tatis vocals and the band also is amazing
She can switch easily because her growls don't come directly from her vocal folds. It's called False Chords when you project the growl using the soft palate.
Hi Elvann! If you want a Jinjer song with a jazzy ending, try Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live). If you want to hear their take on reggae (and also one of their latest songs), you should try Judgement (& Punishment) (Official Video).
Oh man Tatiana Shmaylyuk on Postmodern Jukebox would be BEYOND AMAZING. I agree she'd do excellently as a jazz vocalist but for whatever reason never thought to make the connection between that and her featuring in a PMJ video, haha. That's the one crossover I need this decade.
There's no vids so it's only music and many have already mentioned Beggar's Dance as a jazzy song, but Home Back and Pausing Death from their latest album Macro have jazzy bridges to break up the the heaviness with clean singing and clean guitar as well.
as for jazzy patterns, you can check the last 30-40 seconds of the jinjer's song "Who Is Gonna Be The One"... Yep... Tati's voice fits perfectly there... as for reggie - take a look at JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment)
Need i say it?? Yes???...okay... Another great react vid Elvann...you rock at this 🤟🤘🤟😜🤟🤘😊😊🎶🎶🎶🎶😁 Surprisingly i do like this song...and was like 😳...and then like 😁🤗...normaly i'm not all into growling vocals but it fits the song i think...and yes Floor growls too...(not as good tho in my opinion) said she heard a girl growling once somewere and bein a vocal/voice ''nerd'' Floor ofcourse had to try it...she growls every now and then sinds that time ( well this is what i've heard about it...but please correct me if i'm wrong). 😁😊 Anywayssssss....keep up the great work you do Elvann...love watching your reaction vids (and i do like that song i got from you aswell...heard it about 9 or 10 times now...grows on ya) 🎶🎶👍😁 See you in your next react vid...till then take care...be safe 😉
Oh yes, Jinjer! From all modern metal bands who have come up in the last years, I like them most! The singer Tatiana is awesome and her ability to switch her style from clean to growl instantly is amazing, I agree with you! By the way, great reaction once more from you, dear Elvann, always a pleasure to hear and watch you:-) Too bad only that I 'm not able to download your song, the app doesn't take my email adress, I don't know why...
(2:10) That's called Proximity Effect, the closer you are to the mic you get a more bassy and "intimate" sound. Also the mic they are using is a Electrovoice RE20, made for broadcast then used for kick drums and bass for its low end. Perfect for growls, it gives them more body.
Singing with vocal fry you need to start with a clean powerful voice first, slowly and gently, and gradually add more distortion. The throat itself is completely relaxed so you can switch back and forth with ease.
Favorited! :) That moment when someone who is a Pisces (I don't believe in astrology, though) watches a reaction video to a song video called Pisces. :D I enjoyed your reaction to the video. I like how she can go from grrrr to singing vocals. She makes it look easy. I've known about the band for awhile, but it looks like they've gotten much more popular. I like how they go from mellow to heavy and it just fits together perfectly. Also, not related, but I like the different color you added to your hair!
Having coffee while watching this on the side and funnily enough, the same mug! read the about page and it all just makes sense now since you live in Helsinki. Good choice nevertheless :p
You are correct when you said that Tatiana (lead singer for Jinjer) can sing in a "jazzy" voice. Check out the end of the song " Who's gonna be the one" and you will hear her do reggae in the song "Judgement and Punishment".
If you want to hear something more jazzy to suit her voice I strongly suggest you listen to beggars dance. It's kinda a stand out compared to the rest of their songs I feel. It has a very strong jazz feel I think.
So nice you saw them in concert. Since then they released Micro EP and Macro full album. Bad Water is minus growls but has a cool official video. New album has great songs.
I would flip out if Tatiana covered some Jinjer with Postmodern Jukebox in that style! I personally listen to a lot of growly/screamy Extreme Metal, but Tatiana has an especially full and powerful growl even within a genre full of powerhouses!
Hi Mrs Elvann. I like your soundsettings. Your voice does not pierce through me ears and the music video still does have some bass in it. GJ on that. greetings
What you said at the beginning about the close mic, which you said "Brings out the intimacy and bass notes." While true, it is dependant on the choice of microphone, on a large diaphragm, condenser mic, this would be the case, however, the mic she is using, an Electrovoice RE20, is a dynamic microphone, usually used to record anything with a high SPL, we use them on Saxophones! This particular microphone s built to handle high sound pressure levels, any engineer would have spotted that straight away. Although not unheard of, it is an odd selection for a vocal recording, but I can see why it was chosen for this. Just thought I'd clarify that for you. Anyway, great reaction, Tatiana has an amazing talent, and it deserves to be showcased, thank you.
In "Teacher, Teacher" Tatiana switches from clean to growl and back to clean mid-sentence and does even more "voices". Should impress you even more. Hereby recommended. In addition to her astounding versatility voice-vise, I am truly impressed by the clarity of her (also in-tune) growls; you can understand more of those words than from any other "growler" I remember hearing. Also her growling can go shockingly deep for a petite-ish woman in some of these newer songs. TIP: The light on your face is a little too harsh. It washes out some facial details and makes your face look unnaturally white.
As for Jinjer, I'd recommend the new music video for Pit of Consciousness. Otherwise, if you've never heard Devin Townsend, I'd recommend either Deadhead (either the Royal Albert Hall or the Plovdiv videos) or Kingdom.
Great reaction. Thanks. I love Jinjer and maybe ironically, this song is not my favorite of theirs, but I like watching reactions to this song. Last night I found Fallsie-The Pulse of Fallsie and I watched it...must of been twenty times. I think the vocalist in Fallsie (am I spelling that right?) is every bit what Tati is. Great stuff from the band too. I love the female screamers, and there's so many now ...I just wade around in that pond all the time. ☺🤘
Opeth also do a nice mix of clean and growls. and if you haven't heard Devin Townsend yet, you NEED to. Check out Deadhead live at Royal Albert Hall, he's another that switches between beautiful cleans and powerful growls seemlessly.
I don’t like this kind of songs but she has unique talent. You could listen Floor in the ReVamp- Wild card. She makes something similar at the end of the song.
If you want to hear some more of her vocal diversity (including some Jazz) you should listen to the following songs: Retrospection Who Is Gonna Be The One Beggar's Dance Home Back Judgment and Punishment Captain Clock Bad Water
Want stage presence? Check out Shinedown. Brent Smith, Zach Meyers, Eric Bass, and Barry Kirsch always bring the energy and passion when they perform. Check out the official video for Monsters.
LOL. Straight up thought you said “makes me like girls.” Misheard your pronunciation of “growls.” Both are acceptable! Loved it! Great reaction/analysis.
For her singing something jazzy, look up Beggar's Dance by Jinjer... It's short but it's happy GypsyJazz... Tatiana also likes a lot of non-metal music, Amy Winehouse And Ella Fitzgerald being a favourite amongst others. The version of "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019 is a great showcase on her singing talents both clean and Growl
Tatiana has credited Ella Fitzgerald as an influence, so, there's definitely some jazz in there. Plus, the bass player, Eugene, credits Victor Wooten, and, the late master, Jaco Pastorius as his big influences, so, musically, they have a lot of jazz influence as well.
I am a rock & metal fan, but never really liked too much growling (like through the whole song), Jinjer has opened me up to this style. I'm sure I'll be much more open to this style now, however I am absorbing jinjer for now and LOVING THEM...
Yes! I feel really similar about that actually! :O I'm probably not going to start listening to a lot of growling all of sudden tho, but I really like what they do so I might be more open to it!
i love the lyrics as they are all the traits and things do do with the star sign Pisces and things to do with fish and the sea god neptune very cleaver lyrics
The scream she does basically I have a hard time describing it. However the technique and how to develop it I can shine some light on. (I'm not a vocal teach, it's just this is a style I have done before to a large extent) so basically this is distortion, very similar to rock vocal distortion. We're going to go back to basic language for a second to define what I mean when I say vocalized or non/not vocalized The idea that some sounds are the same shape, like "ta" and "da" The shape we make is the same, just ta is non vocalized, there is no vocal engagement, Pa, and Ba, same thing. now that we have the idea outlined. The section she belts, you commented on the transition, it's an easier transition than you think. Her type of screaming relies on non vocalized distortion. The stages to get to it as it was taught to me. Step 1, take a good breath like you're about to sing your line, then let it out very slowly (for some, think of it like taking a drag off a cigarette or joint, and trying to say something while holding it in.) as you go through the line, letting out as little air as you can you should feel a creek in your voice. Feel it. Remember it. It's important. Try to hold that feeling with a little more volume, and a little more, lean into it..if it hurts, start over, you're doing it wrong. it should feel like the air is bubbling out of your throat, the feeling should be at the top of the throat where it hits the bottom of the mouth (basically it feels like it's almost behind the jaw) Step 2, work up to it, getting louder, until you can hold the faux scream over a note. (this is important if you want to do more than just scream) Step 3, once you can grab that feeling and really lean into it. Stop vocalizing the words. Just keep that engaged and it will be a white noise ish scream. Step 4, Use your mouth and tongue position to control the tone and pitch, making less space (by say lifting your tongue creates a smaller passage for the same amount of air and in doing so forces it to move faster, the pitch therefore goes up. more space, pitch goes down. Then figuring out how to shape it to get the right phonetic sounds to come out. That's summarized there's a bit more to it, but that's the idea of how it works. you have to still vocalize certain letter sounds. V comes to mind. but once you can do that, transitioning back is just backing off that feeling, and fully vocalizing again. I hope this helps. I know it's not a great guide, like I said I'm not a teacher. Just someone that has been in a lot of bands, doing various styles, and this is how I was taught to approach it.
You should check out the Band Haggard. I am pretty sure you will like it. Symphonic Metal with many Vocalstyles from Opera to Growls and awesome Storytelling.
You should be very impressed! Tatiana is a master at her skill. she's a prodigy!... and yes of course there's some of the Studio Effects on her voice but I assure you that's 100% her... Watch some live videos of them
@@ElvannReacts I'm happy you recognize that... Some people refuse to believe it because it's amazing but that comes out of that little chick LOL.. A good live performance to check out is "perennial - live at wacken" or "who is going to be the one"
finnish i guess? got the same cup :D piscies is a great song! ah, tuska, was there myself couple of years ago, great festival! Edit: great reaction! thank you!
PLEASE react to the best singer in the world Dimash Kudaibergen. He does all styles & genres of music & he slowly builds & he is full of surprises. He takes a song & makes changes which doesn't mess with the original, only enhances. For your opera side start with Ogni Pietra (Olympico) from Arnau fancam. For your Harp side check out Singer 2017 Episode 9 All By Myself. Dimash is 25,, 6 foot 3, range of 6 octaves, plays 7 instruments & sings in 12 languages
Same here. I generally don't like growls, which limits my choices on newer metal bands, but I love this band! There are other female growlers, but I don't think any can go as low as she does. And you are not far off with the jazzy thing, Amy Winehouse was a big influence of hers. You should watch Who Is Gonna Be The One official live video.
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Hello everyone! Thaanks for your kind comments! I haven't been able to individually respond to a lot of you at this point because as you guys know, I'm on a trip to Canada still and taking more time with my family!
A lot of you mentionned me pronouncing "Pisces" wrong. Heh well, I knew it was the zodiac sign, but I thought that's how it was pronounced somehow. :P That's what happens when English isn't your native language. but now that I know I won't mix it up again ;)
Elvann on Jinjer’s new album Macro, there is a song called ‘Home Back’ which has a tantalizing full on jazz break in it. Tatiana’s voice suits it perfectly as you suspected
Your comment on her jazzy style was pretty spot on. Her note choice to harmonize with the strings is one of my favorite things about this song.....and I'm a drummer.......and I think their drummer is SICK!
Mrcastleskeep I’m no musician but yes I agree, their drummer is a special talent
Grunt comes from the stomach.
To be frank, even the Englishman of London would admit that English as a language has a lot of phonetic inconsistency. One group of letters may have 5 different pronunciations in 5 different words. But languages evolve pretty much like live organisms so that explains it.
I recommend you to listen to their song "Teacher, Teacher" then. The singer does even more diverse stuff there, and the first thing I though about the clean vocal parts was that she's giving it a jazzy or bluesy vibe.
i def got that feeling, more jazzy or today's jazz/a little hip hop
JINJER - Perennial (Live at Wacken Open Air 2019)
The classic!
Stop recommending the live shit. Sure it's fine for seasoned Jinjer fans, but for someone not already deep dived in to them and a fan, it's not the jam. There are literally a dozen other songs WITH music videos with REALLY good production that a new listener would appreciate more.
Dirty Dog it’s suggested more for vocal coaches to react to her live voice, not for people to ‘discover the band’.
Pisces is the best reaction video to use hands down, Tatiana is a vocal goddess, and the band is completely off the hook.
Alot of people think growling dosen't take skill but without the proper training you can ruin your vocal cords
Fry screams as seen in this video (and all of Tatiana’s work) by definition do not damage your vocal cords at all, since they bypass them entirely. False cord screams do though, but that’s an entirely different technique and no amount of training can avoid it long-term.
So many vocal ruptures in the last few years from male lead vocalists who growl.
It’s impressive to me even though I don’t particularly like it
@@FairsleyDifference I heard tatiana say that she doesn't fry scream in an interview.
NikosDriehuis I’ve heard her say the opposite. And she also said she never smoked marijuana in her life, yet wears hemp pants and High Life Magazine shirts at a sizable percentage of her shows. She talks. Also, false cord screams require a non-stop full flow of air to maintain, so it is literally impossible to switch from clean vocals and back or to properly enunciate words since you can’t really use your tongue and throat muscles.
I’m not a fun of growling but Jinjer is a great band. I don’t know why but when I hear growl in their songs I like it.
And yes, Tatiana often uses some jazzy vocals. Her ability to sing in different styles and to switch between them quickly is amazing!
Try Jinjer - Who is gonna be the one (live)
Me too. I'm not a huge fan of growling/screaming. Took years to ever hear passed that with Lamb of God. I don't mind it with Opeth. I like a balance. Jinjer on the other hand feels different. I don't even notice there's screaming. I dig the music so much and her voice fits it so well, it just flows and it's so easy to digest. The new album is really balanced out with all types of singing. They are really a unique band that happens to be fronted by a bad ass woman.
in this song particular I like how clean the video looks, and how clean the growl sounds, if that makes sense. It is not a scream, but an actual growl, and sounds really cool, plus it fits the lyrics really well
Oh my...I love Jinjer almost as much as Nightwish. Almost! One of the most innovative and hard working bands on the Metal scene. I am happy they have graduated to headlining tours now. They are so creative in the way they blend different influences into their music, from jazz to reggae (Judgement & Punishment, from their new album being a good example) and back again. Tatiana is probably the second nicest woman in Metal, after You Know Who. 😜 The whole band are eloquent in interviews, and Eugene runs a close second behind Marko in terms of his mastery of the Bass.
Beggars’ Dance from King of Everything is quite jazzy and all Tati’s clean voice. It’s just a one-off song and quirky in its style. It’s literally what you were just wishing for!💪🏻🤘🏻
JINJER - Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live) please
Ending is really nice in that one :)
How about all of their songs?!? LOL Have seen them live on a whim. So glad I went! Going to see them April 2020-- meet n greet too.
Somehow I feel an importance in this song luring me many times to relisten it I'm not Pisces btw but still.
For something jazzy try "Beggar's Dance" from their album, King of Everything. Cheers from Gatineau, Quebec.
You need to do Unleash the Archers - Awakening! You will not be disappointed. The musicianship is on point!
Tonight we ride. Thats more vocal range. Awakening is more focused on the instruments and not the vocals.
What I love about the internet is how it helps you discover new music. I watched this video because it's fun watching people react to a song I like. I then listened to the free song you shared, thank you. Now I'm listening to your music on Spotify. I probably would never have heard your music if it wasn't for this video.
For me it was the other way round: another vocal coach posted an reaction video to this song and I simply fell in love with the band and especially Tatis voice
I've been waiting for this and I'm so excited you got to it :) I'm seeing them this Friday in London and I couldn't be more excited XD
Farzin enjoy! I’m seeing them Saturday 🤘🏼😜🤘🏼
I’m off to see them on Saturday, for the second time this year. They are amazing live. The energy Tatiana brings is unreal and to see the boys play, especially Eugene (he’s my man crush) is awesome. He is one of the best bassists ive heard - in my opinion. They all blend together so well.
Their skills are unparalleled and Tatiana‘s writing skills are what make their songs super special. They touch on some really tough subject matter at times. She is deep!
She does have a jazzy style and often says that she enjoys and takes inspiration from that type of music. Amy Winehouse is one of her idols. Who’s gonna be the one has a part at the end where she displays this and a track on their latest album home back. She touches on a reggae vibe on this album also. She’s very versatile and the composition of all tracks is tight! Jinjer doesn’t have a genre.... they are the genre. 👍🏼
Pisces is a great song, but there are much better. I can’t think of one bad song! The track bad water is probably the only song I’ve heard where she just sings cleans.
Thanks for the review! 👍🏼 hopefully you will cover some of their other material.
"Beggar's Dance" is very short but another with only cleans. One of my favourite tracks, too. Totally envious that you will see them live this weekend.
Caroline R damn, it’s Saturday, damn I’m jealous
First time i like that type of vocals , it's the first time i hear music in it , also the lyrics of this song are amazing too.
If you're looking to react to a live video I'd suggest Jinjer - "Perennial(Live at Wacken)" If you are up for a 30+ minute reaction their set from 2018 is on Resurrection Fest's TH-cam channel.
Jinjer jumps around so many genres that if you listen to enough of their songs, you'll hear her sing in just about every genre at some point. You want to hear their "Post Modern Jukebox" song, listen to Beggar's Dance. No video so you can just listen to the audio track.
Only unmarried men who never have to wake their wives up early in the morning are surprised that a woman can have a voice like this.
HAHAHA! :P
😆😆 If I use booming voice she must growl and fry scream.
That IS true its damm true
There are only two definite times you can wake a sleeping woman.
1. A celebrity has died.
2. It's snowing.
The rest, just nope the hell out of there.
It’s true, I was. Married for 25 years. My wife was a sweet tiny thing, but when she got pissed, it was holy hell judgement day.
In their newest album Macro, there is a song called "Home Back" that has a very jazz focused section, and yes she sings great doing it.
Home Back is beautiful and so sad. One of the best anti-war songs ever. Of course few such songs are created by bands as talented as Jinjer, who are themselves refugees of the war in eastern Ukraine.
@@j.f.fisher5318 Empires colliding, in real time.
Yes I have listened to this many times, the lyrics are impressive too
Step forward and meet a new sunrise
A coward is shivering inside
Today I'll, I'll be a friend of mine who swallows
Suffering with smile
I drew a different reality
With unconditional loyalty
Ego hardly can be piqued 'cause I'm selfless
Scale armour blaze
Virgin innocence
One being brings life
Another runs for death
Scale armour blaze
Virgin innocence
One being brings life
Another runs for death
No promises I ever give
Don't rely on me and I won't deceive
The beginning or the end you can't tell
When I wave my fin and shake my tail
I grew in different normality
With unblamable morality
Hooks and nets are there for me but I'm skittish
Scale armour blaze
Virgin innocence
One being brings life
Another runs for death
Scale armour blaze
Virgin innocence
One being brings life
Another runs for death
Neptune's child shivering inside
Drowns in the liquid gold
Cherished his life to the underworld
Meet me flashing when the winter cries
Pisces swimming through the river
All their life against the stream
Searching for a hook to catch on
And see their sun beam
Then suffocate in painful tortures
On cutting tables of callous men
Under a knife of handsome butchers emeralds are ripped away
Emeralds are ripped away
Emeralds are ripped away
Emeralds are ripped away
Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Roman Ibramkhalilov / Eugene Abdiukhanov / Dmitry Herasimov / Tatiana Shmailyuk
Pisces lyrics © Iron Avantgarde Publishing Gmbh
@@H0pp4k33 Dear moron, I researched these lyrics and as they include the vocalist in the credits. They are correct. Please remove your head out of your own asshole and discover the reality you ignore.
@@H0pp4k33 It's "Scale armour belies virgin innocence" - meaning that her apparent toughness is misleading, she's fragile on the inside.
Before you call out helpful posters, perhaps you should do some research. Napalm published the wrong lyrics, so the "official" lyrics are what Terry Shepherd used. Unfortunately, Tatiana's comments on her unhappiness with this error are no longer available on line. Her Facebook page was deleted (hacked, I think) and recreated, so many years of posts were lost. You're just going to have to accept that some people will quote the "official" lyrics.
It's interesting having listened to 5 or 6 of these vocal coaches now, some of them gave technical details about it and the area it comes from, and also explain how she is able to transition easily, some mention that there's a lot of post editing.
this is the only song of theirs that i have heard that i truly enjoy. Her Jazz voice as you say is very very nice. and the growls aren't over used in this song( not the case with the other songs i have heard from them) then you add the band in there this song was just really a piece of art ;)
Dhax Gaming I Speak Astronomy and Perennial doesn’t have a lot of growls
Great reaction. Awesome that you got to see them live. Having seen them at a regular concert, she's even more mesmerizing up close. :) I never liked growls from anyone male or female until I discovered them and then became an instant fan.
One reason the growls sound unnatural in this video is they did two layers. I'd recommend Perennial at Wacken for a recent performance with a balanced mix of growls and cleans which is a master class in stage presence and dramatic performance while singing. There are several people saying Who Is Gonna Be The One which isn't a mistake - it's my favorite song and the official live video is an awesome performance. But its mostly growls so I feel like you'll have more to talk about with Perennial.
What she's doing with her growls is a matter of some discussion. There is video of her performing a duet with Lena from Infected Rain but her mic wasn't working but in one section her growls are still audible so it certainly isn't fake. But she seems to be able to get the power of false cord growls which blow a huge volume of air through open vocal cords to make the false cords create sound, while also doing sustained long growling lines which is more characteristic of fry screams with closed vocal cords. It is supposed to be hard to transition between the different styles seamlessly. So she seems to be doing something superhumanly well - either superhuman depth and power in fry screams, superhuman length of growls with false cords, or superhuman control to be able to switch seamlessly between fry screams and false cord growls, or the ability to create growls using some technique nobody else seems to be using.
Mostly growls before the ending of the song, yes. Imho the jazzy ending is what truly makes Who Is Gonna Be The One as great as it actually is. It's one of my favorite songs by them too, and also... Elvann was asking for something jazzy 😉
@@metalspawnpossessed1242 That makes sense, forgot about that. Actually while listening I'd meant to recommend Beggars Dance even though it is short since it is so much fun, and Exposed As A Liar because of the cleans in that which I don't even know what genre they are from - I feel like they should be performed in a sequined dress in front of a black-tie audience with an orchestra, and half a century or more ago.
@@j.f.fisher5318 I agree, Beggars Dance is a little gem.
I don't think I have ever seen a bigger loser in my life than Jeffrey Fisher. Dude, like seriously. Do you really have NO life?
Tatiana taught herself that vocal technique without help, as well as English. She writes some pretty deep lyrics so the songs are always worth a read. Tatiana also does a majority of the band's artwork as well as design tattoos, art on drum kits, her own alterations on stage outfits and occasional jewelry. She also has said in a interview she does not do the high note on "Pisces" live because she's afraid to screw it up.
I enjoyed watching jinjer with you jaja. She does puts a little jazzy sound in other songs, and a little reggae vibe too in "JUDGEMENT (& PUNISHMENT)"
“im normally not into this kind of singing, but lately she has been growling on me”
This happened to me too, I normally don't like metal at all. But then I found jinjer. And I really love it. I love Tatis vocals and the band also is amazing
@@rosegranger2872 i feel like this is a /whoosh
Loved your reaction. High value among tons of uninteresting Jinjer reactions. Thank you
She can switch easily because her growls don't come directly from her vocal folds. It's called False Chords when you project the growl using the soft palate.
Hi Elvann! If you want a Jinjer song with a jazzy ending, try Who Is Gonna Be The One (Live). If you want to hear their take on reggae (and also one of their latest songs), you should try Judgement (& Punishment) (Official Video).
Jinjer incorporates a lot of jazz elements into their music speaking of her voice and jazz.
Amazing reaction! Great job!
More live Jinjer please, she is next step of evolution
Oh man Tatiana Shmaylyuk on Postmodern Jukebox would be BEYOND AMAZING. I agree she'd do excellently as a jazz vocalist but for whatever reason never thought to make the connection between that and her featuring in a PMJ video, haha. That's the one crossover I need this decade.
Wooow this video is sooo original!!!!
I don't think I've seen any reaction videos on Pisces...
There's no vids so it's only music and many have already mentioned Beggar's Dance as a jazzy song, but Home Back and Pausing Death from their latest album Macro have jazzy bridges to break up the the heaviness with clean singing and clean guitar as well.
You should react to “i speak astronomy” by jinjer
Beggars dance by jinjer is a completely clean kind of jazzyish song. If you want to check into her cleans more.
as for jazzy patterns, you can check the last 30-40 seconds of the jinjer's song "Who Is Gonna Be The One"... Yep... Tati's voice fits perfectly there...
as for reggie - take a look at JINJER - Judgement (& Punishment)
Need i say it?? Yes???...okay...
Another great react vid Elvann...you rock at this 🤟🤘🤟😜🤟🤘😊😊🎶🎶🎶🎶😁
Surprisingly i do like this song...and was like 😳...and then like 😁🤗...normaly i'm not all into growling vocals but it fits the song i think...and yes Floor growls too...(not as good tho in my opinion) said she heard a girl growling once somewere and bein a vocal/voice ''nerd'' Floor ofcourse had to try it...she growls every now and then sinds that time ( well this is what i've heard about it...but please correct me if i'm wrong). 😁😊
Anywayssssss....keep up the great work you do Elvann...love watching your reaction vids (and i do like that song i got from you aswell...heard it about 9 or 10 times now...grows on ya) 🎶🎶👍😁
See you in your next react vid...till then take care...be safe 😉
Oh yes, Jinjer! From all modern metal bands who have come up in the last years, I like them most! The singer Tatiana is awesome and her ability to switch her style from clean to growl instantly is amazing, I agree with you! By the way, great reaction once more from you, dear Elvann, always a pleasure to hear and watch you:-)
Too bad only that I 'm not able to download your song, the app doesn't take my email adress, I don't know why...
Floor Jansen did that in "Your´s an Empty Hope" and "The Greatest Show on Earth" and some of her songs before Nightwish
(2:10) That's called Proximity Effect, the closer you are to the mic you get a more bassy and "intimate" sound. Also the mic they are using is a Electrovoice RE20, made for broadcast then used for kick drums and bass for its low end. Perfect for growls, it gives them more body.
“Nodifications” 😂 love your reactions....and digging the guitar. Awesome. Most people don’t realize this is a band. Not a solo project.
"i have no idea where this comes from"...haven't you realized? she's a MUTANT...
I strongly recommend Devin Townsend "Deadhead" from Albert Hall concert and the other pole of singing "Wickeg Game" by Diana Ankudinova.
Jinjer "Beggar's Dance" I think this is the style you seek.
Singing with vocal fry you need to start with a clean powerful voice first, slowly and gently, and gradually add more distortion. The throat itself is completely relaxed so you can switch back and forth with ease.
What are you saying? Gerols? Or GROWLS?
Favorited! :) That moment when someone who is a Pisces (I don't believe in astrology, though) watches a reaction video to a song video called Pisces. :D I enjoyed your reaction to the video. I like how she can go from grrrr to singing vocals. She makes it look easy. I've known about the band for awhile, but it looks like they've gotten much more popular. I like how they go from mellow to heavy and it just fits together perfectly. Also, not related, but I like the different color you added to your hair!
The drummer is spectacular as well. His syncopation is outstanding
Having coffee while watching this on the side and funnily enough, the same mug! read the about page and it all just makes sense now since you live in Helsinki. Good choice nevertheless :p
Knows what to expect, still shocked.
You are correct when you said that Tatiana (lead singer for Jinjer) can sing in a "jazzy" voice. Check out the end of the song " Who's gonna be the one" and you will hear her do reggae in the song "Judgement and Punishment".
If you want to hear something more jazzy to suit her voice I strongly suggest you listen to beggars dance. It's kinda a stand out compared to the rest of their songs I feel. It has a very strong jazz feel I think.
Her range is amazing.
So nice you saw them in concert. Since then they released Micro EP and Macro full album. Bad Water is minus growls but has a cool official video. New album has great songs.
Beggar's Dance by Jinjer is """almost a jazz""" music. You should definetly check it out!
@PstScrpt , Nice! I know too little about jazz, thanks for the enlightment :D
I would flip out if Tatiana covered some Jinjer with Postmodern Jukebox in that style! I personally listen to a lot of growly/screamy Extreme Metal, but Tatiana has an especially full and powerful growl even within a genre full of powerhouses!
it's Pisces, like PIE-SEES, the zodiac sign. Tatiana's voice is insane. I sub'd
Hi Mrs Elvann. I like your soundsettings. Your voice does not pierce through me ears and the music video still does have some bass in it. GJ on that.
greetings
What you said at the beginning about the close mic, which you said "Brings out the intimacy and bass notes." While true, it is dependant on the choice of microphone, on a large diaphragm, condenser mic, this would be the case, however, the mic she is using, an Electrovoice RE20, is a dynamic microphone, usually used to record anything with a high SPL, we use them on Saxophones! This particular microphone s built to handle high sound pressure levels, any engineer would have spotted that straight away. Although not unheard of, it is an odd selection for a vocal recording, but I can see why it was chosen for this. Just thought I'd clarify that for you. Anyway, great reaction, Tatiana has an amazing talent, and it deserves to be showcased, thank you.
In "Teacher, Teacher" Tatiana switches from clean to growl and back to clean mid-sentence and does even more "voices". Should impress you even more. Hereby recommended. In addition to her astounding versatility voice-vise, I am truly impressed by the clarity of her (also in-tune) growls; you can understand more of those words than from any other "growler" I remember hearing. Also her growling can go shockingly deep for a petite-ish woman in some of these newer songs.
TIP: The light on your face is a little too harsh. It washes out some facial details and makes your face look unnaturally white.
As for Jinjer, I'd recommend the new music video for Pit of Consciousness.
Otherwise, if you've never heard Devin Townsend, I'd recommend either Deadhead (either the Royal Albert Hall or the Plovdiv videos) or Kingdom.
The last number Beggars' Dance on their album King of Everything has sort of jazzy vibe.
After Forever - Who I am - Floor e Irene Jansen (2007)
you want diversity of vocals....Jinjer-Judgement & Punishment....
Teacher teacher by Jinjer is amazing too
Great reaction. Thanks. I love Jinjer and maybe ironically, this song is not my favorite of theirs, but I like watching reactions to this song.
Last night I found Fallsie-The Pulse of Fallsie and I watched it...must of been twenty times. I think the vocalist in Fallsie (am I spelling that right?) is every bit what Tati is. Great stuff from the band too.
I love the female screamers, and there's so many now ...I just wade around in that pond all the time. ☺🤘
I see people running the wheels off the JinJer bus. I'm noticing a pattern.
Opeth also do a nice mix of clean and growls. and if you haven't heard Devin Townsend yet, you NEED to. Check out Deadhead live at Royal Albert Hall, he's another that switches between beautiful cleans and powerful growls seemlessly.
I love the way you say "naughtification".
Also, cool video. 😁
Great volume on the music video. Good job
I don’t like this kind of songs but she has unique talent. You could listen Floor in the ReVamp- Wild card. She makes something similar at the end of the song.
Why didn't I see this three years ago, I went through reactions just to see the looks on everyones' faces...
If you want to hear some more of her vocal diversity (including some Jazz) you should listen to the following songs:
Retrospection
Who Is Gonna Be The One
Beggar's Dance
Home Back
Judgment and Punishment
Captain Clock
Bad Water
Want stage presence? Check out Shinedown. Brent Smith, Zach Meyers, Eric Bass, and Barry Kirsch always bring the energy and passion when they perform. Check out the official video for Monsters.
LOL. Straight up thought you said “makes me like girls.” Misheard your pronunciation of “growls.” Both are acceptable! Loved it! Great reaction/analysis.
For her singing something jazzy, look up Beggar's Dance by Jinjer... It's short but it's happy GypsyJazz... Tatiana also likes a lot of non-metal music, Amy Winehouse And Ella Fitzgerald being a favourite amongst others.
The version of "Perennial" live at Wacken 2019 is a great showcase on her singing talents both clean and Growl
You have listen alissa white-gluz , vocalist of arch enemy. Song Nemesis live at wacken 2016. 😜 Or "reason ti belive" ... Best Song
My recommendation is:
JINJER - Who is Gonna Be The One (Live) | Napalm Records
The last part of this song has a jazz style.
10:05
“Actually that singer makes me like girls”
You and everyone else. Tatiana is something special.
😂😂😂 "growls" 😜
Tatiana has credited Ella Fitzgerald as an influence, so, there's definitely some jazz in there. Plus, the bass player, Eugene, credits Victor Wooten, and, the late master, Jaco Pastorius as his big influences, so, musically, they have a lot of jazz influence as well.
For a jazzy vibe try their song "Beggars Dance". It's a great song, and it is short but sweet.
I am a rock & metal fan, but never really liked too much growling (like through the whole song), Jinjer has opened me up to this style.
I'm sure I'll be much more open to this style now, however I am absorbing jinjer for now and LOVING THEM...
Yes! I feel really similar about that actually! :O I'm probably not going to start listening to a lot of growling all of sudden tho, but I really like what they do so I might be more open to it!
i love the lyrics as they are all the traits and things do do with the star sign Pisces and things to do with fish and the sea god neptune very cleaver lyrics
Oh shit she finally did it
She just continues growling in the last parts when they are live
Jinjer - Pit of Consciousness
The scream she does basically I have a hard time describing it. However the technique and how to develop it I can shine some light on. (I'm not a vocal teach, it's just this is a style I have done before to a large extent)
so basically this is distortion, very similar to rock vocal distortion. We're going to go back to basic language for a second to define what I mean when I say vocalized or non/not vocalized The idea that some sounds are the same shape, like "ta" and "da" The shape we make is the same, just ta is non vocalized, there is no vocal engagement, Pa, and Ba, same thing. now that we have the idea outlined.
The section she belts, you commented on the transition, it's an easier transition than you think. Her type of screaming relies on non vocalized distortion. The stages to get to it as it was taught to me.
Step 1, take a good breath like you're about to sing your line, then let it out very slowly (for some, think of it like taking a drag off a cigarette or joint, and trying to say something while holding it in.)
as you go through the line, letting out as little air as you can you should feel a creek in your voice. Feel it. Remember it. It's important.
Try to hold that feeling with a little more volume, and a little more, lean into it..if it hurts, start over, you're doing it wrong.
it should feel like the air is bubbling out of your throat, the feeling should be at the top of the throat where it hits the bottom of the mouth (basically it feels like it's almost behind the jaw)
Step 2, work up to it, getting louder, until you can hold the faux scream over a note. (this is important if you want to do more than just scream)
Step 3, once you can grab that feeling and really lean into it. Stop vocalizing the words. Just keep that engaged and it will be a white noise ish scream.
Step 4, Use your mouth and tongue position to control the tone and pitch, making less space (by say lifting your tongue creates a smaller passage for the same amount of air and in doing so forces it to move faster, the pitch therefore goes up. more space, pitch goes down.
Then figuring out how to shape it to get the right phonetic sounds to come out.
That's summarized there's a bit more to it, but that's the idea of how it works. you have to still vocalize certain letter sounds. V comes to mind. but once you can do that, transitioning back is just backing off that feeling, and fully vocalizing again.
I hope this helps. I know it's not a great guide, like I said I'm not a teacher. Just someone that has been in a lot of bands, doing various styles, and this is how I was taught to approach it.
You should check out the Band Haggard. I am pretty sure you will like it. Symphonic Metal with many Vocalstyles from Opera to Growls and awesome Storytelling.
Teacher Teacher
Bad Water
I Speak Astronomy
Perennial
And Judgment and Punishment all have great clean parts! (Bad Water being 100% clean vocals)
You should be very impressed! Tatiana is a master at her skill. she's a prodigy!... and yes of course there's some of the Studio Effects on her voice but I assure you that's 100% her... Watch some live videos of them
Oh yeah, I know it's a 100% her! Effects are just effects, they don't make or break a voice, it's obvious that it's her. ;)
@@ElvannReacts I'm happy you recognize that... Some people refuse to believe it because it's amazing but that comes out of that little chick LOL.. A good live performance to check out is "perennial - live at wacken" or "who is going to be the one"
Floor does it well also in Revamp and you've heard her with Nightwish.
Her clean voice reminds me so much of Pat Benetar for some reason.
"I'm a vocal coach and I don't know where this is coming from"... I'm out.
finnish i guess? got the same cup :D piscies is a great song! ah, tuska, was there myself couple of years ago, great festival! Edit: great reaction! thank you!
PLEASE react to the best singer in the world Dimash Kudaibergen. He does all styles & genres of music & he slowly builds & he is full of surprises. He takes a song & makes changes which doesn't mess with the original, only enhances. For your opera side start with Ogni Pietra (Olympico) from Arnau fancam. For your Harp side check out Singer 2017 Episode 9 All By Myself. Dimash is 25,, 6 foot 3, range of 6 octaves, plays 7 instruments & sings in 12 languages
Same here. I generally don't like growls, which limits my choices on newer metal bands, but I love this band! There are other female growlers, but I don't think any can go as low as she does. And you are not far off with the jazzy thing, Amy Winehouse was a big influence of hers. You should watch Who Is Gonna Be The One official live video.
Oooh that makes sense now, that she would be inspired by Amy Whinehouse! :O I had no idea about it!
You should listen to "I Speak Astronomy"! It's one of my favourites!
Teacher Teacher Live - it's unmissable