Retiring in 5 weeks...been remote for 3 years. Bottom Line: Productivity of remote workers is same for the 20% that do 80% of the work. The rest have an easy gig. Fed is truly BLOATED....no one is indispensable.....VERY few agencies are indispensable. Even DoD can't account for trillions of dollars. Cut!!!
A huge agency like the DoD that has never been auditable is a national disgrace.... The amount of money improperly syphoned off by who knows who for decades and decades must be a thousand billion!
No need to cut rules, just headcount. More than 90% of government employees in Washington DC have not returned to their offices. This needs to end, government employees should return to work in their offices or seek employment elsewhere. Additionally more than 95% of government employees were scored excellent on their annual performance reviews. As a business manager who ran companies I can assure you no organization has a workforce where 95% scores that high. I would do a 15% across the board staffing reduction and then implement a true performance based culture rewarding the performers and firing those who don’t perform. Tax payers deserve a government that works for them.
I agree with Elon on a lot but his issue with remote work, even before the election, baffles my mind. Some of us work much better remotely. Personally, I get 100% more work done at home than I ever did in an office… ever.. period.
publicly funded employees should have to report to work and have someone hovering over their shoulder all day. Too many taking advantage and slacking off. Private business can do as they want, but not publicly funded workers.
i used to be a federal/DoD employee. I complained all the time I could do my job remotely. I think though its a matter of what the technical position is for it to be determined if it could be fully remote, hybrid or office only. My position in Cyber Security has been more productive working from home as I have worked 60% more from home than I ever did working from an office. I start my day earlier, ill work past the end of a normal day. Tech fields today just work better from home with minimal need to be in the office. I think it all depends on what the job role is to determine what should be remote and what should be in office or hybrid
The goal is to get them all to quit. Bureaucrats have strategically placed regulations around themselves, making it nearly impossible to scale back the size of certain departments, and their tenure are more iron clad than a professor. A lot of these people do absolutely nothing and yet it’s nearly impossible to fire them for doing absolutely nothing so the strategy here is to bring them all back into the office and then the majority of them are going to quit and find another position outside of the federal government that will allow them to work remotely
Each should be evaluated individually. I've worked from home for almost 40 years and there was never a need for me to show up in an office to waste time talking with fellow colleagues about unless TV shows, he said she said crap, etc. I worked efficiently and productively as I got paid for the work I produced as a medical transcriptionist. Going into an office would defeat its purpose for me. There is time lost in travel, increased auto expenses, stress on the roads, so many negatives. My daughters are both professionals and able to work from home going in as required but not on a regular basis. It could be very counterproductive. If you are a mess up, you will mess up at home as well as on the job. Don't categorize everyone.
You're one of the few folks that I know that could properly work from home efficiently, as the doctors dictation is available electronically anywhere.. too bad the need for transcriptionists is a vanishing occupation due to technology however.
This might be true for young people who've never worked in an office and want to experience it. But, I think they would quickly lose that "new adventure" spirit once they see how "office politics" and bickering among employees tends to make you not want to come in anymore!
The funny thing is, teleworking has been much more productive and efficient than return to the office. Less wasted time chitchatting with coworkers and micromanaging bosses hovering over your shoulder.
@@Attalla2023 My son manages three wind farm support vessels. He works from home. His companies offices are 200 miles away. Should his company have to pay for an office where his boats dock? It's, 2024 there will be fewer and fewer in office workers. People doing manual labor will still have to go to work. Why does it make a difference where you communicate, where you pound your keyboard?
Ask yourself why the billionaire class would want in-office workers rather than the cheaper costs of remote work. It's because of all their commercial real estate investments sitting empty and being a financial drain.
There's a lot to be said for working in the office say for Tesla in the manufacturing department or an Amazon warehouse, where working at home is impossible and a ridiculous notion. However, when my veterans, IME medical examination company went fully remote, our production shot up almost 40%. It makes no sense if you're a transcriptionist or in a similar job to leave your computer at home, to go sit at another computer and 9/10 some jerk is just trying to play "boss." Not to mention, in this city of Houston, spending AT LEAST an hour commuting, all that time on the road in terrible traffic, babysitter fees, over $3.00 for a gallon of gas, people with road rage, by the time you get to work, you are exhausted and stressed. If you work downtown Houston, parking will run you OVER $200.00 per month if you're lucky. It literally cost me almost $500 plus a month to work in the office, not including wardrobe. F that. Never again. I'm not a government employee though.
You don't get it, do you? 75% of those people getting federal paychecks do absolutely nothing in the first place. When they "work from home" they can literally screw off all day long and nobody is there to hold them accountable (not that the people 'in charge' would do that anyway, since it's normal for federal employees to literally do nothing all week long).
@@trentp151 Bro, have you ever worked at a corporate or government office? Everyone pretends to work and look busy. The only people that actually work are the secretary and the bathroom cleaners.
@@Attalla2023 My son works remotely. He manages three wind turbine service boats. He makes $140,000 a year. The companies offices are in New York City. A 10 x 10 office costs $86,000. He would not work in NYC for less than $240,000. His office is in his house. Where should it be? Its 2024. The nature of work continues to evolve. It's not just hunting, fishing, and gathering.
It will cost too much money to bring everyone to the office. A lot of these people will need to move. Many will quit and hiring and training costs a lot of money. The way to improve government is to make it easier to fire poor performers.
Ima be honest I don’t agree with this one, I feel like there should be remote jobs out there even for federal employees Edit: I’m not saying the Fed shouldn’t be reduced, I just feel like we need more remote jobs
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It makes no sense to spend 3 or 4 hours in traffic each day, pay for parking, pay tolls, gas, and add to roadway congestion, just to go to an office and do work that could just as easily been done somewhere else. Maybe it would be better to decentalize office space?
Agree 100% I don't know how the Republicans see this as a win, one thing is for sure its a lose for anyone who has kids, have horrible traffic in there community, need flexibility, ect.. sad
You don't get it, do you? 75% of those people getting federal paychecks do absolutely nothing in the first place. When they "work from home" they can literally screw off all day long and nobody is there to hold them accountable (not that the people 'in charge' would do that anyway, since it's normal for federal employees to literally do nothing all week long).
@@trentp151 Then they need to reduce the bloat and start holding MANAGEMENTS feet to the fire. After all, if those working from home aren't doing their jobs, or are being underutilized, then management clearly isn't doing theirs.
This is a bad idea. Out of touch with what the people want. My sister has 2 kids and works from home this would make her spend 800 a month on daycare. This is not efficiency
I’m not sure it will be legal to demand return to work for remote workers. I would see how their contract is written. I telework and understand it can always be changed. The thing is we don’t have space and already share offices. More space was just taken from us. There are other organizations like this that I know of on the installation I work on. My friend shares a cubicle with co-workers. They were just told they are now working in the office twice a week but they still meet on the computer. It’s weird bc they go in the office to work on the computer. They can’t even meet in person as a team bc they don’t have the space. Same with my team.
Let them work from home and we can sell the bldgs they would normally report to. It’s cheaper for the employees too. This way you can hire for less. The people won’t have travel or child care expenses that are normally needed to support leaving home. You could stoke a deal where they could pay the employee the workers comp $$ instead of the insurance company and have them sign a release.
@@jonathanliljestrand7136I work from home. I work literally from the time I start till I leave. Expect on my break. If anything the computer micro manages my time. So ur comment is dumb.
Oh hell NO remote is the way to go. The funny thing is, teleworking has been much more productive and efficient than return to the office. Less wasted time chitchatting with coworkers and micromanaging bosses hovering over your shoulder.
There will be huge numbers of people unemployed if he manages to get rid of all these employees. What’s going to happen to the economy when large numbers of people don’t have jobs?
Work remotely is more efficient than working in office. This is very bad idea to force people to work in office to face heavy traffic again and more...
But from a bigger picture, a lot more money moves (good for the economy) when you’re forced to purchase gas to drive to work, purchase lunch on your lunchbreak , etc. Also keeps you dependent on your job which keeps you working. They don’t care about efficiency or WLB it’s all about money moving
In what world is it more efficient? Amazon is litterally making a killing on "mouse jigglers" that move your mouse to show people are active when they're not.
@@krisstrubel9786 It is more efficent for honest people who care about doing a good job. We need to look at peoples' integrity and their commitment to their work. There are plenty of exceptional workers who take pride in their work. Any halfway intelligent manager can figure out who is actually working and who isn't. A mouse jiggler shouldn't fool anoyone, though it does as you point out. Management needs to do a better job, IMO.
Scott's take on working remotely, from surveys, makes some sense. However, I'm a federal employee in an org which has went through massive reorganization over the last few years. So, take me as an example. I'm an analyst who supports a division that is spread across the country, along with my team, who lives and works in 3 states and a few cities within one state. Going into the office does nothing but forces me to commute while the bulk of my team is in other states. We function just fine with our virtual resources. This will not save money or increase teamwork, it will only encourage those near retirement to hit the button. It will once again cost employees money to now revamp our commutes, wear and tear to our cars again, hiring caregivers for our children and parents, etc. All the hassles and expenses that we haven't had to deal with for a few years, our pockets will surely suffer.
Its a rich man's advantage...boost real-estate and the millionaire's that own the buildings. The employees who have moved away from the office should be given other options. Having moving cost, price of housing is outrageous, daycare for some, transportation cost, and added stress.
Horseshit! If you can manage employees and the production is there then you know you're lying when you say it would be better if you drove in traffic here and ate pizza at our lame ass parties!
My hubby works remotely with I.T. the trade off is that he also has to travel to sites alot. He's also regimental about his working hours. I pretend that he's not here which allows him to work as if he was in the office. Gen X has a different work ethic than Gen Z.
I worked for a fortune 500 company that decided remote workers was a good idea and implemented it throughout the company. Two years later on the verge of bankruptcy they required everyone to come back in the office. Ten% of those remote workers quit and looked for other jobs. Sounds like a benefit for both the company and the remote workers. I just retired and left them to figure it out.
A Fortune 500 company isn’t going bankrupt in 2 years because of telework. It is proven fact that telework is more of a positive than being forced to come in to do the same work in person. So, you’re either lying for literally no reason at all or the company you supposedly worked for had way bigger problems than people working from the comfort of their homes.
If people don't NEED to be in an office to do their work then what's the point of forcing them to do so? Is it just because your work can't be done from home? I think reducing the bloat is definitely a good idea but what actually needs to happen is that management needs to have their feet held to the fire because they clearly aren't MANAGING their staff properly.
These two are already overreaching and being inconsiderate of the effects this could have upon people. Mostly, everyone I know who are supervisors and managers says productivity does not suffer and remote working simply works. As long as your work performance is not compromised, I could CARE less if you do your work from home, the moon, or the backseat of your car. Everyone isn't able to carry their son or children around on their neck all day, everywhere, including work, like Elon Musk is able to do. There are much better things they could focus on and correct to make the Federal government run more efficiently. Sending people back to the office to micromanage them isn't it.
You don’t get the point. This is proposal is to be make unwanted fed employees to quit on their own and find work in the private sector like the rest of us. The core fed employees ‘really’ required for the job will stay. It’s this or otherwise downright ‘firing’, like Musk suggested. This is basic logic; any private sector company running at a detrimental loss will slash its workforce. Fed employees are somehow exempt from this logic. You can do the absolute terrible at your job and you will still have the job. That is ridiculous
Not all roles require you to be in office. Not everyone is a clock punching machinist or a janitor. Some people have jobs that are even more productive from home. Many large companies are remote. AT&T, T-Mobile, the Gas company, Etc.. Plus.. A HUGE ISSUE IS PAY... Government workers earn MUCH less than the private sector. I mean ALOT.. so staying home and not paying gas is a big deal
I'm not sure about most fed employees but I work on a military base with about 13K other civilians and bases SUCK donkey balls. They shut down gates going in/out. There's limited parking, no updated office space. For instance our org teleworks because we share the space with 5 other groups during the week. There are no happy, fun benefits being on base, in the office. Also, not everyone lives 10 min away from work. Many of my co-workers live 35+ min away, saving tons of gas and wear n tear on their vehicles. And the most confusing statement is, if you don't like it then leave .... and go where exactly ?? Are there thousands of jobs out there all the sudden? NOPE. Congrats, you're going to have miserable soulless zombies at the office. I love ya Trump but dang lol
Yes, daycare is so expensive too but it also horrible for people who live in communities with hour plus long traffic times or limited parking in cities
When you remote work or telework, you should have care for your kids. At least that’s how it is for federal workers. We do a training about this. I have kids but they are older and can stay home without me. If they are out of school when I’m in the office, they stay home by themselves.
In my agency we cover 34 counties in central Texas we are considered field workers. Making us come to the office every day will surely cut production by far!! The truth is when teleworking I’m able to get twice the amount of work done! Elon and Vavek need to get off their Billionaire high horse and cut expenses where it actually matters.
Exactly. If companies or the government make folks go back to in-person, they have to pay for more office space, water, and electricity. I don't work at home but my boss can access my work anytime. The people commenting are just pissed they can't work remotely.
A single example of why Government is badly broken. In NYC at 1 Centre Street sits a beautiful historic building known as the NYC Municipal Building, at some time the name of one of the city's worst Mayors, David Dickens was added to it. Name changes as such are expensive, Real Estate is expensive and there sits a huge building barely inhabited and maintained. There are hundreds if not thousands of city offices all over the city paying rent to a landlord with tax dollars while a city-owned building is not being properly utilized. Does this make sense? This is just one stupid problem out of thousands nationwide, the waste, corruption, and actual theft are rampant in government bureaucracies. It's a deep-rooted cancer that is continually fed to fester, IT HAS TO STOP and BE CORRECTED!!
You don't get it, do you? 75% of those people getting federal paychecks do absolutely nothing in the first place. When they "work from home" they can literally screw off all day long and nobody is there to hold them accountable (not that the people 'in charge' would do that anyway, since it's normal for federal employees to literally do nothing all week long).
@@les0101sHe’s right. I work in a government agency. Those people do absolutely NOTHING but surf the Internet watch movies and take 2 hour lunches. Lazy a$$ government workers.
They don't care about that, they don't care that you are driving to a computer that you already have at home or traffic can be an hour plus taken from your time
@@MadMax-zn9oh I don't see how working at home is such a negative that they want to stop it... Its already implemented now people who got the job that were promised remote will need to change everything and people who live 2+ hours away will not be able to keep the job, its creating more bad than good
This guy is full of crap. Boomer managers can't stand not having people chained to desks that they can stand over while cracking a whip. I have to drive 2 hrs to get to the office, so I get less sleep and it costs me money. I can do my job from anywhere in the world. Sitting in the gray cube, with no heat is not making me more productive. I can go my whole day without speaking to a person face to face. We need another pandemic so we can go back to 100% work from home. That was wonderful.
I'm retired and the only thing I know about people working from home is this...............ever since it started, midday play at our public golf course has exploded and it's not from seniors. We joke that doesn't anyone work anymore!
What these GENIUSES don`t understand, is that most of the teams are now REMOTE. Basically, you are just working in different offices across the country to do telework. If I am to do telework, then I am going to do it from home, thank you...
You accepted an office job before Covid. I think it is reasonable to expect you to return to that job now that Covid is over. If you choose not to return you should seek employment elsewhere. Problem solved!
This is one of the best ideas I've heard. Since COVID and the introduction of DEI there have been a lot of people given jobs that absolutely should not have one. They hired a bunch of welfare to work losers to fill positions and they don't do they work they are supposed to,but this needs to be done beyond government jobs and done in private industry
It can be looked at from the view point of remote workers don’t require separate buildings or facilities . The funds required to power and maintain buildings building are high. We could sell those bldgs and cut those high costs to lower taxes.
If they end tele work and remote work for federal employees they can expect a BIG BLUE wave next election. I voted for these people but they didn’t start with the radical nonsense until after Trump was elected. Telework increases productivity!!
I've worked in corporate jobs and going into corporate is a waste of time. I imagine it's the gov jobs that are probably not even needed no matter if they work at home or not. It should be about getting rid of jobs that shouldn't exist first.
Musk what the hell is your problem with remote work? Why are you trying to ruin people’s life? WFH is more productive 100%. Stop this trend. Musk shouldn’t decide for everybody. Musk, you can do this for you own company. Hands off our jobs.
He doesn't mind remote work, he doesn't like others having the availability. A video was released where he is playing Diablo 4 while having a zoom meeting with engineers about how one of his rockets had a near miss and almost blew up on reentry.
It’s about time we look at ALL government agencies and programs that are just total waste of taxpayer money. We have let people believe they are special entitled individuals. Once we start looking at what is best for the poor hardworking taxpayers. We believe in government employees working their forty hours servicing the public. We would like to see less waste by everyone. Government workers should be just our military personnel. That must keep moving around for their career is just part of our government.
I guess it depends on the situation and the amount of time versus pay etc. There are a lot of working parents, since Covid, still work from and started homeschooling.
He needs to! The leave banks of those that work from home are bloated, meanwhile, those that work in the office are no where near what those that get to work from home are….!
This is about putting different parts of our government and state jobs in the sane building. Why have so many offices when we can put them all in new buildings working together. It makes no difference who is paying you. This is about giving better service to their customers the poor hardworking taxpayers.
Um....yea, bottom line 95% of the time youre going to get better performance at an office. This is a good thing. It will WEED out the lazy people. More importantly it will weed out the whackjobs who are being paid to sit at home n work completely unsupervised and on their own terms BECAUSE of theyre still using the covid nonsense.
I have never worked in government. Anyone who thinks people should spend hours a day and personal costs for fuel and transportation to waste their life and treasure commuting to a miserable PC based job that require no physical presence is a total jackass tyrant. Kick rocks dummy, we will NEVER commute to a PC based job again, it's a HUGE SCAM, and WASTING EVERYONES TIME AND MONEY, including the YOUR TAX dollars on bloated mostly vacant (even before remote work happened) fancy ass buildings the government DOES NOT NEED. Want to work from home? Retrain for a non physical non customer facing career.
@lwh7301, You are wrong. There is a lot of work with confidential information that should NEVER be outsourced to another country. The idea that the cheapest worker is fine is what got the US into a mess. Why hire an American for $30/hr when you can hire someone in another country for $8/hour? Except that your data is going to that country and getting hacked and losing that data can costs millions.
LMAO I was employed with the EPA I see I saw exactly what these government workers do Nothing they sit in a climate controlled environment tapping on a keyboard They don't have any idea of what true work is Work equals the integral of Cos(theta)dx In other words display some Mass Sitting on your ass tapping on a keyboard is not is not work
If you end remote working they'll leave but when your hired were told you will be working from all the time all thos happen ever since the pandemic well if they leave hire more people
I “come to work” from home. I bet I work harder than you on your best day. I have a constant monitoring system installed on my laptop, supervisors LITERALLY watch me all day, and record everything I do on a screen monitor. F**k off with your nonsense.
Most people who work from home are in spreadsheet land. Why do you need to sit at a desk in a building to fill in the same spreadsheet? It still needs to be turned in on the same day regardless of where you sitting.
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Retiring in 5 weeks...been remote for 3 years. Bottom Line: Productivity of remote workers is same for the 20% that do 80% of the work. The rest have an easy gig. Fed is truly BLOATED....no one is indispensable.....VERY few agencies are indispensable. Even DoD can't account for trillions of dollars. Cut!!!
A huge agency like the DoD that has never been auditable is a national disgrace.... The amount of money improperly syphoned off by who knows who for decades and decades must be a thousand billion!
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Civil servants are like 5% of the budget.
As long as it’s not you.
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The number of Federal government workers has to be reduced, no matter what.
Which rules specifically are you suggesting should be cut?
Great! Im sure you can give them jobs
Agree!!
@@eukaris18they have experience so yeah they can find jobs in private or banking sectors
No need to cut rules, just headcount. More than 90% of government employees in Washington DC have not returned to their offices. This needs to end, government employees should return to work in their offices or seek employment elsewhere. Additionally more than 95% of government employees were scored excellent on their annual performance reviews. As a business manager who ran companies I can assure you no organization has a workforce where 95% scores that high. I would do a 15% across the board staffing reduction and then implement a true performance based culture rewarding the performers and firing those who don’t perform. Tax payers deserve a government that works for them.
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I agree with Elon on a lot but his issue with remote work, even before the election, baffles my mind. Some of us work much better remotely. Personally, I get 100% more work done at home than I ever did in an office… ever.. period.
This isnt about productivity. Its about having people quit under pressure. They are cutting costs and this is a strategy.
Tech strategy instead of layoffs allegedly…
publicly funded employees should have to report to work and have someone hovering over their shoulder all day. Too many taking advantage and slacking off. Private business can do as they want, but not publicly funded workers.
A billionaire who has a stake in selling cars wants more people to commute to work. Is that not a conflict of interest?
Great point, would it be policies based in good faith?
At this point there isnt a soul in power who doesn't have a conflict of interests.
Elon looses me on his anti-remote work stance every single time. I’m more than sure he and vivek work remote all the time.
i used to be a federal/DoD employee. I complained all the time I could do my job remotely. I think though its a matter of what the technical position is for it to be determined if it could be fully remote, hybrid or office only. My position in Cyber Security has been more productive working from home as I have worked 60% more from home than I ever did working from an office. I start my day earlier, ill work past the end of a normal day. Tech fields today just work better from home with minimal need to be in the office. I think it all depends on what the job role is to determine what should be remote and what should be in office or hybrid
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So tired of the bias against remote work. This is why housing is so expensive, we’re all clustered near our jobs. So dumb
The goal is to get them all to quit. Bureaucrats have strategically placed regulations around themselves, making it nearly impossible to scale back the size of certain departments, and their tenure are more iron clad than a professor. A lot of these people do absolutely nothing and yet it’s nearly impossible to fire them for doing absolutely nothing so the strategy here is to bring them all back into the office and then the majority of them are going to quit and find another position outside of the federal government that will allow them to work remotely
@@jamikapalmer7774 100% true
You’re missing the point.
Each should be evaluated individually. I've worked from home for almost 40 years and there was never a need for me to show up in an office to waste time talking with fellow colleagues about unless TV shows, he said she said crap, etc. I worked efficiently and productively as I got paid for the work I produced as a medical transcriptionist. Going into an office would defeat its purpose for me. There is time lost in travel, increased auto expenses, stress on the roads, so many negatives. My daughters are both professionals and able to work from home going in as required but not on a regular basis. It could be very counterproductive. If you are a mess up, you will mess up at home as well as on the job. Don't categorize everyone.
You're one of the few folks that I know that could properly work from home efficiently, as the doctors dictation is available electronically anywhere.. too bad the need for transcriptionists is a vanishing occupation due to technology however.
You're from a different generation
no kidding - I know so many people have been more productive working from home.
I’m scoring 4s and 5s on my evals. I’m 50% telework.
People want to be in the office? What planet is this guy on?
This might be true for young people who've never worked in an office and want to experience it. But, I think they would quickly lose that "new adventure" spirit once they see how "office politics" and bickering among employees tends to make you not want to come in anymore!
They don’t care what you want lol
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If your workplace requires you to be back in the office, then you are required to be back in the office. Otherwise, pretend to work somewhere else.
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The funny thing is, teleworking has been much more productive and efficient than return to the office. Less wasted time chitchatting with coworkers and micromanaging bosses hovering over your shoulder.
Billionaires like Musk don’t care 🤷🏾♂️ the bottom line is the only thing that matters to people like him.
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You sound like you're on the taxpayer tit.
Teleworking should be illegal anyway
@@Attalla2023 My son manages three wind farm support vessels.
He works from home.
His companies offices are 200 miles away.
Should his company have to pay for an office where his boats dock?
It's, 2024 there will be fewer and fewer in office workers.
People doing manual labor will still have to go to work.
Why does it make a difference where you communicate, where you pound your keyboard?
Just like anything else if you don’t produce you’re gonna be fired bottom line if you don’t help me pull the wagon you’re done
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Ask yourself why the billionaire class would want in-office workers rather than the cheaper costs of remote work. It's because of all their commercial real estate investments sitting empty and being a financial drain.
There's a lot to be said for working in the office say for Tesla in the manufacturing department or an Amazon warehouse, where working at home is impossible and a ridiculous notion. However, when my veterans, IME medical examination company went fully remote, our production shot up almost 40%. It makes no sense if you're a transcriptionist or in a similar job to leave your computer at home, to go sit at another computer and 9/10 some jerk is just trying to play "boss." Not to mention, in this city of Houston, spending AT LEAST an hour commuting, all that time on the road in terrible traffic, babysitter fees, over $3.00 for a gallon of gas, people with road rage, by the time you get to work, you are exhausted and stressed. If you work downtown Houston, parking will run you OVER $200.00 per month if you're lucky. It literally cost me almost $500 plus a month to work in the office, not including wardrobe. F that. Never again. I'm not a government employee though.
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I'm not a billionaire, but still want all employees go back to office, no excuses!
Efficiency is efficiency, [so if] the job is getting done remotely, then it saves money for both parties.
You don't get it, do you? 75% of those people getting federal paychecks do absolutely nothing in the first place. When they "work from home" they can literally screw off all day long and nobody is there to hold them accountable (not that the people 'in charge' would do that anyway, since it's normal for federal employees to literally do nothing all week long).
@@trentp151 Bro, have you ever worked at a corporate or government office? Everyone pretends to work and look busy. The only people that actually work are the secretary and the bathroom cleaners.
That's a lie.
@@Attalla2023 My son works remotely.
He manages three wind turbine service boats.
He makes $140,000 a year.
The companies offices are in New York City.
A 10 x 10 office costs $86,000.
He would not work in NYC for less than $240,000.
His office is in his house.
Where should it be?
Its 2024.
The nature of work continues to evolve.
It's not just hunting, fishing, and gathering.
@@trentp151 Do you have names?
It will cost too much money to bring everyone to the office. A lot of these people will need to move. Many will quit and hiring and training costs a lot of money. The way to improve government is to make it easier to fire poor performers.
I agree which is 75% of them
Wasn't the same thing said when Musk bought Twitter and fired 80% of the workforce?
They just want overpriced office space they dropped big bucks on being utilized. Plus the expensive stores nearby shopped at.
Come drive into the office and login to this zoom meeting....
Ima be honest I don’t agree with this one, I feel like there should be remote jobs out there even for federal employees
Edit: I’m not saying the Fed shouldn’t be reduced, I just feel like we need more remote jobs
They need to sell these federal buildings then. Get them out from taxpayer upkeep even if its at a loss which it definitely will be.
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This has unintended consequences of the best workers leaving for a diff job..
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Forcing people to come back to the office as opposed to paying a severance is outrageous
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@@treygrogan13 Of course. Thanks for letting me and anyone else know about this. 👌🏻
We have over 5,000 assigned to HQ. We only have the space for 2,500. All our satellite offices were done away with years ago.
It makes no sense to spend 3 or 4 hours in traffic each day, pay for parking, pay tolls, gas, and add to roadway congestion, just to go to an office and do work that could just as easily been done somewhere else. Maybe it would be better to decentalize office space?
Agree 100% I don't know how the Republicans see this as a win, one thing is for sure its a lose for anyone who has kids, have horrible traffic in there community, need flexibility, ect.. sad
Facts! Lots of jealous fools in the comment section mad that they are still doing that and others are working from home.
You don't get it, do you? 75% of those people getting federal paychecks do absolutely nothing in the first place. When they "work from home" they can literally screw off all day long and nobody is there to hold them accountable (not that the people 'in charge' would do that anyway, since it's normal for federal employees to literally do nothing all week long).
Find a job closer to home. That’s what I’m doing.
@@trentp151 Then they need to reduce the bloat and start holding MANAGEMENTS feet to the fire. After all, if those working from home aren't doing their jobs, or are being underutilized, then management clearly isn't doing theirs.
What about the environment and high gas prices? Remote work is better for everyone.
This is a bad idea. Out of touch with what the people want. My sister has 2 kids and works from home this would make her spend 800 a month on daycare. This is not efficiency
A lot of people moved. Mandating return to work will cause many to quit as they no longer live within commuting distance.
Well weren’t they stupid? You’re fired.
I’m not sure it will be legal to demand return to work for remote workers. I would see how their contract is written. I telework and understand it can always be changed. The thing is we don’t have space and already share offices. More space was just taken from us. There are other organizations like this that I know of on the installation I work on. My friend shares a cubicle with co-workers. They were just told they are now working in the office twice a week but they still meet on the computer. It’s weird bc they go in the office to work on the computer. They can’t even meet in person as a team bc they don’t have the space. Same with my team.
Let them work from home and we can sell the bldgs they would normally report to. It’s cheaper for the employees too. This way you can hire for less. The people won’t have travel or child care expenses that are normally needed to support leaving home. You could stoke a deal where they could pay the employee the workers comp $$ instead of the insurance company and have them sign a release.
It's the opposite - keep them at home and you won't need a huge building to pay for!
Plus all the commute pollution.
They want the payments for the huge buildings, that’s the thing.
we need to sell the buildings we already have.
Just because you fire a bunch of workers doesnt mean efficiency will go up! It may actually make things worst.
You know more than Elon Musk?
So it's okay to work only 2 hours for 8 hours pay, right?
@@jonathanliljestrand7136I work from home. I work literally from the time I start till I leave. Expect on my break. If anything the computer micro manages my time. So ur comment is dumb.
@@chachachin5697 So, you work all day, therefore EVERYONE works just like you! Brilliant, but you call my comment "dumb"
Oh hell NO remote is the way to go. The funny thing is, teleworking has been much more productive and efficient than return to the office. Less wasted time chitchatting with coworkers and micromanaging bosses hovering over your shoulder.
There will be huge numbers of people unemployed if he manages to get rid of all these employees. What’s going to happen to the economy when large numbers of people don’t have jobs?
It saves money. So of course a billionaire doesn't understand it
Work remotely is more efficient than working in office. This is very bad idea to force people to work in office to face heavy traffic again and more...
But from a bigger picture, a lot more money moves (good for the economy) when you’re forced to purchase gas to drive to work, purchase lunch on your lunchbreak , etc.
Also keeps you dependent on your job which keeps you working. They don’t care about efficiency or WLB it’s all about money moving
In what world is it more efficient? Amazon is litterally making a killing on "mouse jigglers" that move your mouse to show people are active when they're not.
@@krisstrubel9786 It is more efficent for honest people who care about doing a good job. We need to look at peoples' integrity and their commitment to their work. There are plenty of exceptional workers who take pride in their work.
Any halfway intelligent manager can figure out who is actually working and who isn't. A mouse jiggler shouldn't fool anoyone, though it does as you point out. Management needs to do a better job, IMO.
Scott's take on working remotely, from surveys, makes some sense. However, I'm a federal employee in an org which has went through massive reorganization over the last few years. So, take me as an example. I'm an analyst who supports a division that is spread across the country, along with my team, who lives and works in 3 states and a few cities within one state. Going into the office does nothing but forces me to commute while the bulk of my team is in other states. We function just fine with our virtual resources. This will not save money or increase teamwork, it will only encourage those near retirement to hit the button. It will once again cost employees money to now revamp our commutes, wear and tear to our cars again, hiring caregivers for our children and parents, etc. All the hassles and expenses that we haven't had to deal with for a few years, our pockets will surely suffer.
If you can't say What you do is 10 words...GO.
thats the point. we dont need you.
@@ianjohnston7469 LOL the point is you have no clue.
2 unelected billionaires firing hard working Americans.
Its a rich man's advantage...boost real-estate and the millionaire's that own the buildings. The employees who have moved away from the office should be given other options. Having moving cost, price of housing is outrageous, daycare for some, transportation cost, and added stress.
Then stop pretending these people are "Working" from home, acknowledge that they are parents raising children on a generous public welfare program.
If a rich man goes down you go down too, because you don't have a job. Think before you talk.
@cindyl.3699 , Point taken, could explain why I work for myself. Rich people are not a requirement in my success.
Horseshit! If you can manage employees and the production is there then you know you're lying when you say it would be better if you drove in traffic here and ate pizza at our lame ass parties!
My hubby works remotely with I.T. the trade off is that he also has to travel to sites alot. He's also regimental about his working hours. I pretend that he's not here which allows him to work as if he was in the office. Gen X has a different work ethic than Gen Z.
Funny how they talk about efficiency but working in the office is less efficient for most
I worked for a fortune 500 company that decided remote workers was a good idea and implemented it throughout the company. Two years later on the verge of bankruptcy they required everyone to come back in the office. Ten% of those remote workers quit and looked for other jobs. Sounds like a benefit for both the company and the remote workers. I just retired and left them to figure it out.
I can't wait to retire. I have 9 years to go!!
iow you got yours f everyone else lol
A Fortune 500 company isn’t going bankrupt in 2 years because of telework. It is proven fact that telework is more of a positive than being forced to come in to do the same work in person. So, you’re either lying for literally no reason at all or the company you supposedly worked for had way bigger problems than people working from the comfort of their homes.
Will you be missed?
@@Addigalia You must have a really boring job. Are you poorly educated?
Go back to the office or quit.
Reduce & Regroup all FED agencies.
Nothing radical. 80% needs to be cut.
If people don't NEED to be in an office to do their work then what's the point of forcing them to do so? Is it just because your work can't be done from home?
I think reducing the bloat is definitely a good idea but what actually needs to happen is that management needs to have their feet held to the fire because they clearly aren't MANAGING their staff properly.
85%
So does this mean they're getting rid of subcontractors since most of the telework is done by them?
If Trump can work from Mar-A-Lago, why can't other Fed workers work from home?
I hope not otherwise my wife is out of a job.
These two are already overreaching and being inconsiderate of the effects this could have upon people.
Mostly, everyone I know who are supervisors and managers says productivity does not suffer and remote working simply works.
As long as your work performance is not compromised, I could CARE less if you do your work from home, the moon, or the backseat of your car. Everyone isn't able to carry their son or children around on their neck all day, everywhere, including work, like Elon Musk is able to do. There are much better things they could focus on and correct to make the Federal government run more efficiently. Sending people back to the office to micromanage them isn't it.
You don’t get the point. This is proposal is to be make unwanted fed employees to quit on their own and find work in the private sector like the rest of us. The core fed employees ‘really’ required for the job will stay. It’s this or otherwise downright ‘firing’, like Musk suggested.
This is basic logic; any private sector company running at a detrimental loss will slash its workforce. Fed employees are somehow exempt from this logic. You can do the absolute terrible at your job and you will still have the job. That is ridiculous
Not all roles require you to be in office. Not everyone is a clock punching machinist or a janitor. Some people have jobs that are even more productive from home. Many large companies are remote. AT&T, T-Mobile, the Gas company, Etc.. Plus.. A HUGE ISSUE IS PAY... Government workers earn MUCH less than the private sector. I mean ALOT.. so staying home and not paying gas is a big deal
So.... people like moving to a similar apartment that's double the rent.
I'm not sure about most fed employees but I work on a military base with about 13K other civilians and bases SUCK donkey balls. They shut down gates going in/out. There's limited parking, no updated office space. For instance our org teleworks because we share the space with 5 other groups during the week. There are no happy, fun benefits being on base, in the office. Also, not everyone lives 10 min away from work. Many of my co-workers live 35+ min away, saving tons of gas and wear n tear on their vehicles. And the most confusing statement is, if you don't like it then leave .... and go where exactly ?? Are there thousands of jobs out there all the sudden? NOPE. Congrats, you're going to have miserable soulless zombies at the office. I love ya Trump but dang lol
The only situation I see that will be really hard for this is the families that's have children at home which means giving children to daycare again.
Yes, daycare is so expensive too but it also horrible for people who live in communities with hour plus long traffic times or limited parking in cities
@@Dinogal_123 Look for another job that fit your need.
When you remote work or telework, you should have care for your kids. At least that’s how it is for federal workers. We do a training about this. I have kids but they are older and can stay home without me. If they are out of school when I’m in the office, they stay home by themselves.
I call BS. It is all about control while the CEO is never there.
Remote work is for high producers who don't need babysitting. Government workers need to be closely monitored.
In my agency we cover 34 counties in central Texas we are considered field workers. Making us come to the office every day will surely cut production by far!! The truth is when teleworking I’m able to get twice the amount of work done! Elon and Vavek need to get off their Billionaire high horse and cut expenses where it actually matters.
Working from home means workers fund their own space, furniture, equipment, utilities, it's a financial burden.
Exactly. If companies or the government make folks go back to in-person, they have to pay for more office space, water, and electricity. I don't work at home but my boss can access my work anytime. The people commenting are just pissed they can't work remotely.
VS commuting and wardrobe
Balanced by reduced transportation time and costs
A single example of why Government is badly broken. In NYC at 1 Centre Street sits a beautiful historic building known as the NYC Municipal Building, at some time the name of one of the city's worst Mayors, David Dickens was added to it. Name changes as such are expensive, Real Estate is expensive and there sits a huge building barely inhabited and maintained. There are hundreds if not thousands of city offices all over the city paying rent to a landlord with tax dollars while a city-owned building is not being properly utilized. Does this make sense? This is just one stupid problem out of thousands nationwide, the waste, corruption, and actual theft are rampant in government bureaucracies. It's a deep-rooted cancer that is continually fed to fester, IT HAS TO STOP and BE CORRECTED!!
Why is the city hanging on to buildings it is not using? David Dinkins is Black.
If they want to save money for the government, let people work from home.
You don't get it, do you? 75% of those people getting federal paychecks do absolutely nothing in the first place. When they "work from home" they can literally screw off all day long and nobody is there to hold them accountable (not that the people 'in charge' would do that anyway, since it's normal for federal employees to literally do nothing all week long).
The fact that the people who hate the government suddenly act righteous and said the same thing...
What are they going to do with all the empty office space ? House illegal immigrants ?
@@trentp151 Just a dumb stereotypical assumption about people. Do you have any proof of that?
@@les0101sHe’s right. I work in a government agency. Those people do absolutely NOTHING but surf the Internet watch movies and take 2 hour lunches. Lazy a$$ government workers.
3 - 4 days a week is ok, but noticed in our company's case that we are spending more time in commute on Tuesdays and Thursdays
They don't care about that, they don't care that you are driving to a computer that you already have at home or traffic can be an hour plus taken from your time
@Dinogal_123 WHY complain? YOUR getting paid right?
@@MadMax-zn9oh I don't see how working at home is such a negative that they want to stop it... Its already implemented now people who got the job that were promised remote will need to change everything and people who live 2+ hours away will not be able to keep the job, its creating more bad than good
*Sure, 4 days of 10 hours each. That's how we do it.*
This guy is full of crap. Boomer managers can't stand not having people chained to desks that they can stand over while cracking a whip. I have to drive 2 hrs to get to the office, so I get less sleep and it costs me money. I can do my job from anywhere in the world. Sitting in the gray cube, with no heat is not making me more productive. I can go my whole day without speaking to a person face to face. We need another pandemic so we can go back to 100% work from home. That was wonderful.
Work at home
Save money on both sides😊
Gen z want to go back to office. Stfu no one has ever said this.
Me and my sister, both wantes to get back of office.
Working from home was depressing.
I'm retired and the only thing I know about people working from home is this...............ever since it started, midday play at our public golf course has exploded and it's not from seniors. We joke that doesn't anyone work anymore!
well they will remove those useless positions, since these people are getting paid to play golf hmm
What these GENIUSES don`t understand, is that most of the teams are now REMOTE. Basically, you are just working in different offices across the country to do telework. If I am to do telework, then I am going to do it from home, thank you...
You accepted an office job before Covid. I think it is reasonable to expect you to return to that job now that Covid is over. If you choose not to return you should seek employment elsewhere. Problem solved!
they noticed laying around all day is awesome and you get paid hmm
No we did not the agency agreed to telework before COVID
I lost my job in 2020 because of covid, my shift was eliminated. S.... happens. Be resilient.
You got Covid?
This is going to backfire so hard if Trump goes with this proposal. This will fail point blank.
This is one of the best ideas I've heard. Since COVID and the introduction of DEI there have been a lot of people given jobs that absolutely should not have one. They hired a bunch of welfare to work losers to fill positions and they don't do they work they are supposed to,but this needs to be done beyond government jobs and done in private industry
I see people paid .. not showing up to work .. they get upset they can’t work 10 hours or less but get paid for 40 hours ..
If they stated purpose of return to work is mass punishment for employees , that sounds like a lawsuit.
We voted for punishment.
That'll cost us more money to pay for the office space.
What to do when no office is there lost when rental costs were exorbitant
It should be mandatory it's our taxpayer money that's paying their salary they should have to show up
It can be looked at from the view point of remote workers don’t require separate buildings or facilities . The funds required to power and maintain buildings building are high. We could sell those bldgs and cut those high costs to lower taxes.
Do away with this so called remote work. If people can't (or won't) show up at the office, then fire them.
If they end tele work and remote work for federal employees they can expect a BIG BLUE wave next election. I voted for these people but they didn’t start with the radical nonsense until after Trump was elected. Telework increases productivity!!
I've worked in corporate jobs and going into corporate is a waste of time. I imagine it's the gov jobs that are probably not even needed no matter if they work at home or not. It should be about getting rid of jobs that shouldn't exist first.
Is romo going to give the workers a pay raise for a babysitter
Musk what the hell is your problem with remote work? Why are you trying to ruin people’s life? WFH is more productive 100%. Stop this trend. Musk shouldn’t decide for everybody. Musk, you can do this for you own company. Hands off our jobs.
We voted for this sadly, time to see some hour long traffic times
He doesn't mind remote work, he doesn't like others having the availability.
A video was released where he is playing Diablo 4 while having a zoom meeting with engineers about how one of his rockets had a near miss and almost blew up on reentry.
The issue is remote workers who aren’t even doing anything.
Oh boo hoo, get back to the office you’re not special…
@@dawn6232 easily fixed just monitor there computer, it can be done with some software or quotas XD
It’s about time we look at ALL government agencies and programs that are just total waste of taxpayer money. We have let people believe they are special entitled individuals. Once we start looking at what is best for the poor hardworking taxpayers. We believe in government employees working their forty hours servicing the public. We would like to see less waste by everyone. Government workers should be just our military personnel. That must keep moving around for their career is just part of our government.
Believe it or not, we were looking at programs at least on the Army side last year so there will be some information to analyze available.
Good, now maybe offices will be open to citizens actually getting help. And they can all stop pretending to work when they won’t answer the phone.
I’m tired of catering to all these crybabies
I guess it depends on the situation and the amount of time versus pay etc. There are a lot of working parents, since Covid, still work from and started homeschooling.
Hybrid is a win win solution.
Punch a clock!!!!
Those disappeared 25 years ago... Little thing called the internet now where you can enter time..
You know that's been done electronically for about 20 years now. Right?
He needs to! The leave banks of those that work from home are bloated, meanwhile, those that work in the office are no where near what those that get to work from home are….!
This is about putting different parts of our government and state jobs in the sane building. Why have so many offices when we can put them all in new buildings working together. It makes no difference who is paying you. This is about giving better service to their customers the poor hardworking taxpayers.
Remote work should be illegal except for IT.
Um....yea, bottom line 95% of the time youre going to get better performance at an office. This is a good thing. It will WEED out the lazy people. More importantly it will weed out the whackjobs who are being paid to sit at home n work completely unsupervised and on their own terms BECAUSE of theyre still using the covid nonsense.
I have never worked in government.
Anyone who thinks people should spend hours a day and personal costs for fuel and transportation to waste their life and treasure commuting to a miserable PC based job that require no physical presence is a total jackass tyrant.
Kick rocks dummy, we will NEVER commute to a PC based job again, it's a HUGE SCAM, and WASTING EVERYONES TIME AND MONEY, including the YOUR TAX dollars on bloated mostly vacant (even before remote work happened) fancy ass buildings the government DOES NOT NEED.
Want to work from home? Retrain for a non physical non customer facing career.
Any "work" that can be done remotely can be farmed out to people in India for 1/4 the cost.
@lwh7301, You are wrong. There is a lot of work with confidential information that should NEVER be outsourced to another country. The idea that the cheapest worker is fine is what got the US into a mess. Why hire an American for $30/hr when you can hire someone in another country for $8/hour? Except that your data is going to that country and getting hacked and losing that data can costs millions.
Not government work. Shows how much you know…
Government workers are already overworked and undee paid.
LMAO
I was employed with the EPA I see I saw exactly what these government workers do
Nothing they sit in a climate controlled environment tapping on a keyboard
They don't have any idea of what true work is
Work equals the integral of Cos(theta)dx
In other words display some Mass
Sitting on your ass tapping on a keyboard is not is not work
I hate to break the bad news to you but this isn't as easy as it sounds.
If you end remote working they'll leave but when your hired were told you will be working from all the time all thos happen ever since the pandemic well if they leave hire more people
So....what??....If you want to quit ..??..your job?...WHO Cares??.. An opportunity for SOMEONE...ELSE!!..
Elon Musk already been there done that for three companies and I believe he can do again. Saving money, baby.
Enjoys not being able to apply for a Passeport because the administrative process takes 2 years because of work force constraints.
5 years ago everyone was fine going to the office but now they can’t. Fire them
Who will replace them? The poorly educated?
Bloated by two, at the very least.
If they don’t wanna come to work fire them
I “come to work” from home. I bet I work harder than you on your best day. I have a constant monitoring system installed on my laptop, supervisors LITERALLY watch me all day, and record everything I do on a screen monitor. F**k off with your nonsense.
Why?
There is a difference between writing a Business Case Analysis and making a burger boomer...
Most people who work from home are in spreadsheet land. Why do you need to sit at a desk in a building to fill in the same spreadsheet? It still needs to be turned in on the same day regardless of where you sitting.
In america, you can sue anyone for any reason at any time.
More time at the coffee machine!
Better than work from home.
Stop hating on people working from home.