Sounds like temperature spikes during incubation, which is mentioned, but sometimes you get genetics that are more vulnerable to them and unfortunately temperature probes are only checking one portion of the temperature and you can get Hot pockets that affect certain individuals. If you've got footage of the egg positions and know which baby came from which spot what you're likely to see is the one that has one eye missing is right against one that's missing both of its eyes because there was a localized hotspot. Major bummer. I always recommend slightly lower end of the possible incubation spectrum because that way if you have minor fluctuations you're less likely to go into the danger zone that causes this type of birth defect. Interestingly enough the same birth defects happen in bird egg incubation as well it's just we've dialed in those temperatures to the lowest efficient level so heavily that you don't see it often, but I live in a desert and I've seen natural chicken incubation go wrong here with temperature spikes and you get the exact same symptoms in the resulting chicks and it's horrifying. Edit: I just noticed how close your eggs are to each other in the box, I've Heard that this can cause localized hot spots because the eggs themselves generate a certain amount of heat while they're developing, though I have never personally tried putting them close together since I learned this before I ever started working with breeders from a zoologist working on incubating endangered species. He basically said always go slightly lower than you think it's going to be and always space your eggs really good so that heat from development doesn't alter the overall heat profile. The crazy thing is this guy told me this 20 years ago and I don't think it was very well known yet back then, but there have been scientific papers published on it since. If it does end up being something genetic I'd love to see a follow-up video on that.
@@darcieclements4880 Yes, when I raised chicks and reptiles at a science museum in the 80s, we were always told to leave space around each of the eggs, otherwise we ran the risk of hot spots and mold.
Although VERY disappointing and sad, this is an important video. Breeding snakes isn’t always a “Yay” process and when you care about the animals it can be gutting. I feel your pain. 💔❤️
This comment is huge. Every channel is trying to sell you on their entertainment production and ultimately play into the sales market in some capacity. We need to see more of the hard side of things. Keeping a pet isn’t always pretty, keeping an exotic pet is the same with new complications and areas you can’t experience because they’re not mammal pets. Thank you. Keep your head up brother.
100% as a new..ish hobbiest this definitely helps in future decisions.. refreshing seing someone who breeds, really cares but can be bruitally honist with the negatives.
@@GreenRoomPythonsyou really did an amazing job showing viewers an honest portrayal of the darker side of animal husbandry, while treating these babies with dignity and compassion. You didn't cheapen the tragedy with shock tactics to increase views and engagement. You didn't hide the sad outcome of this clutch from your community. And you didn't pretend to have all the answers and know precisely what was responsible for all the anomalies in this clutch, including the unexpected morph. I was very impressed with you and your video. Best wishes for all your babies, and that the breeder of the female gets back in touch with you.
It happened so frequently too and I feel like not enough TH-camrs are transparent about it. Being a breeder is incredibly rough on people and I just advise people because I'm a biologist that advised a lot of breeders (I Don't feel the need to do my own breeding because assisting is enough). Basically there's a ton of things that can go wrong with reproduction that go well beyond as simple as oh this was environment, oh this was genetics. There are dozens of things that you need to be keeping in mind and people have me coming and evaluate when things go wrong and let me tell you things go wrong way more than most people are prepared for. A lot of times I'll have a breeder direct someone to me who is in new breeder who asked them a question and this is sort of how I became that person. Tons of new breeders have absolutely disastrous results very early on and it's hard for them to realize that this isn't going to be an easy and always happy hobby and that chances are they're going to lose a lot more money than they make long-term because of how many things could go wrong and that very few of these things are actually properly discussed publicly. I think a lot of them struggle with some of the things that once you've seen it you can't unsee as well which happens with animal husbandry in general but is amplified if you're doing breading by several fold. Edit: I'm afraid I don't know enough about ball python specifically to speculate on what could be going on with your stuff genetically without doing a deep dive, but sometimes this just ends up being an unfortunate environmental effect and the only way to know if you've got genetic influence is to do the same pair again and check. It can also be helpful if you've had more than one clutch in the same incubator for sussing that out but that's impractical for other reasons.
This is NOT a bummer video. I am sad for the babies, but it's so apparent that you love them and provide them with the best chance they could hope for. We love them and we love you. I am glad you show what breeding can be like. Hugs from Alabama!
Years ago a coworker hatched an albino boy without eyes. I took him. He was wonderful, one of my favourite snakes. Magoo lived to be 24 years old. Snakes do not know they need eyes when they have never had them. They have heat pits to sense their prey and their tongues for scent. As long as the snake will eat, there will be no problem. Magoo found his way around his bin easily, I left his hides, water, plants in the same position. He often came out for snake enrichment the same as my other snakes. I am not a patreon yet, but if nobody wants the clefted shark jawed snake, I can give him a good home, even if he needs assisted feeding. Hope all these snakes become cherished pets.
That's great. I have a list of people that are interested in the shark jaw baby, but if you want to get on the list, message me on patreon, and I'll put you on it :-)
Thank you for showing even the dark side of snake breeding. It's sad it turned out this way but the educational value's fantastic, especially for a first-time breeder who might stumble onto it.
I had a baby red tail boa that was born without eyes and had a kink. He lasted a year but eventually passed. He ate ok but it took a long time and he regurgitated half the time under perfect housing conditions. He eventually started taking meals and keeping them down but he passed at the year mark. He never grew in that year so I know he had other medical issues I could not diagnose. I did my best to give him a good life. I hope you find these babes loving homes, the ones who can make it. Im sorry that it went down likes this. I know you care deeply for these lovely reptiles.
I'm sorry for the outcome, but i truly do appreciate your willingness to share it with us. You never know who else will have to deal with something similar and this information could be highly valuable to saving lives in the future. i am VERY bothered that the breeder is ignoring you!!! It makes me suspicious that they KNEW there might be problems and didn't tell you! I know you won't, but i so badly want you to put them on blast so they can't do this to someone else! There are so many GOOD and ETHICAL breeders out there who would never ignore their buyers and THEY should be promoted for sure! Good luck with your little ones. Looking forward to more updates 💖🙏🏼
Hey Bob, I just wanted to thank you, your advice helped me to convive my parents to let me get a pet snake, and now I have a little pinstripe banana boy who is doing very well.
I'm very sorry about your clutch! 😞 But the imperfect ones can and do thrive and make great pets! I have a pastel spied (spider pied) that a friend gave me as a hatchling. Besides the spider wobble he has one small eye, but is blind and has a cleft palate. He's over 3 yrs old now, eats on his own and has a very strong will to live! I call him "Mad Eye Moody" from Harry Potter or "Moody" for short. It takes a lot of patience and work, but can be so rewarding helping these little guys to survive. Moody has been one of the best teachers I have had. I love this little guy!
I love that you posted this; I don't think a lot of TH-camr's would have... Who wants to post their failures? But it's important for us to see that even experts can have unfortunate results, even if they tried to do everything right.
Good video for folks to see, it doesn’t always go as planned and something that needs some more attention for those looking into breeding. Hope the remainder of the clutch find themselves a good life from here ❤
While my heart breaks at this, I'm relieved that you decided to post this. It gives voice to not every day or clutch is going to be perfect, it can be very raw and gutting. Thank you for sharing and I hope things start looking up
Freeways are my absolute favorite and I'm not sure why but the stripe down the back is beautiful. I am so sorry they did not all turn out. This unfortunately, is life. That is how breeding goes. It's good for people to see this though, in case they want to start breeding. It's good for people to know what they are getting themselves into.
That's so sad. Sorry to hear that the clutch ended up like that. Makes me so grateful for my little boy. Didn't think I'd be so upset to hear your news. Thinking of you Bob.
Awh Bob, I'm so sorry. Always sucks when this happens but thanks for keeping it real with us. I can tell just in your demeanor and your voice that you care very much about those little buggers and it hurt to see that some of them were unwell. I know you'll make sure they're taken care of and put into wonderful homes 💙
That’s a bummer on the clutch. I appreciate you talking about it though and in a respectful way. Nobody ever wants to talk about the bad/ugly side of the hobby, but it’s a reality we deal with when breeding any animal.
Those were rough odds.. Condolences for the ones that didn't make it & fingers crossed for the others. Thank you for sharing this video, even if it's not what you originally planned. It's good to see TH-camrs sharing reality & not just sugarcoating everything. 💜
I just want to say I appreciate you showing that these things can happen with many reasons. Not every clutch will be successful. I’m sorry that it didn’t work out in your favor. But I’m very fortunate to watch this video to know what other possibilities could happen. And I appreciate that you were very brave to show this to us.
Thank you for still sharing the video. All the best to the little ones and all the best to future clutches. (and thank you for not showing the snakes you decided not to show - I know it's life, it's nature but it's still heartbreaking any way) I hope the babies that made it will thrive and have a wonderful, healthy life as a pet snake. 💚
This is sad... I have a pine snake ane now since last week I'm the proud owner of a little butter ball python ! She ate for the first time today and I was super worried she wouldn't take her mice but she was so happy to eat that she constricted her food and half of the vegetation of her enclosure 😂 You made me love ball pythons and I'm incredibly happy to own one. Such a cute girl
This is my first video of yours. I don't even know how/why it showed up in my feed. I have already sub'd and look forward to doing a few binge watching days, as I can. I love constrictors but, I've never watched a TH-cam on snakes before. Lol. Years ago, I owned a rather large Burmese. Buttercup was the most gentle sweetheart, as there ever could be. After just a month, I would hold her (already 7' when I adopted her) and my skittish daughter (1st Grade when adopting Buttercup, almost 30 now) would actually sit still and pet Buttercup with so much affection. Buttercup was such an ambassador for snakes, especially Pythons. My daughter's self-confidence and love of ALL animals (maybe not spiders, lol) soared exponentially after such a short time of learning about and loving Buttercup. When I am in the market for another, I will definitely come here for at least a referral, if not the actual snake. Thank you so much for being willing to show more than just the "pretty stuff". Life is rarely pretty for more than bursts scattered throughout. Sure, tell me how to appreciate the bursts longer, better, etc but, anyone saying that life can be, should be, how to make life nothing but those bursts of pure, unadulterated joy is a liar ~ either to themselves or to others ~ and not to be trusted.
Our little shark mouth boy is a wonderful pet ive mentioned him before xxxx life is interesting with a disabled snake as what you see isnt all they have difficulty with xxxx Taz our boy is handled so much he is up for cuddles anytime but this is due to us having to help him feed and poo for the first year of his life xxxx i will say it was worth it as he is now three but it is alot of work and heartache so if you take one on its not an easy ride to stability xxxx good luck with whatever you decide my heart goes out to you here xxxx
Thank you for showing all aspects of breeding, even the not so pretty and sad parts. I hope everyone who is considering breeding keeps outcomes like this in mind. I hope you, Kada, and the surviving babies are doing okay ❤
I just want to say you are a person of OUTSTANDING integrity and character. No one else would have been THIS transparent & gave us this opportunity to see the downside of loving reptiles. Thank you for being 100% transparent & not trying to cover up or hide this. You could have easily just frozen the eggs, tossed them & said hey clutch failed. But you gave us the raw truth.
First time poster, long time lurker. But just wanted to say I’m so sorry this happened. Even if sad, I appreciate you sharing the downsides that can occur. You may never know what happened.
Hey Bob, It's really important for people to see the full spectrum of experiences that are possible when choosing to breed animals. So many breeders seem to have such a cavalier attitude regarding the living creatures that they choose to bring into the world. Thank you for demonstrating what is also possible so that people can make more informed and humane decisions about choosing to breed. Do you feel like you might choose to not continue to breed ball pythons after this experience? Sorry about that clutch. Super bummer to see those little snakes arrive that way. Best of luck in the future.
@@GreenRoomPythons Hey Bob, I have a question that I can't seem to get answered ANYWHERE online. Do BPs or Retics lay eggs without being exposed to males? I'm not talking about parthenogenesis. I am referring to growing follicles and laying infertile eggs like a chicken. Maybe you should do a video about this as there is ZERO info on the subject. Cheers! -Anton
Thank you for being transparent on a subject like this. Some people like to act perfect and that’s just impossible. Breeders should be prepared for things like this to happen and have a plan of action going forward.
Bob, much credit to you for taking the outcome of this clutch in stride. Your presentation in this video, as well as all others, is exactly why we enjoy listening to you & learning from you. Many thanks to you for doing what you do 👍
I'm glad you posted this video. I often day dream about breeding ball pythons and having little babies, but this really showed the risk and reality of the process.
Aww, I’m so sorry Bob. I know you must be so bummed 🙁 I also want to say though, that your transparency throughout this is wonderful and appreciated. Hugs!
Hey, I'm sorry this clutch didn't work out like you hoped but i am grateful that you decided in favor of putting this video up. Great for educational purposes. Xoxo
I am a new snake owner and i wanted to thank you for all of your videos. They have helped me and my wife get more comfortable and confident in careing for our new family addition. Thank you very much!
It's so important to show things like this! I'm happy that you did. I think if someone wants to get into the breeding hobby they see when things go wrong. It helps people make educated decisions about whether or not it's something they can handle. As for the babies, we know whatever happens with them they're in good hands. You'll make sure that the ones that thrive go somewhere they'll be cared for, and if any don't that they'll be treated with respect. It's why we love your channel so much. You do what you do with love, and it's clear!
Hi, Bob.I'm so sorry.This is so sad! Let's just hope that the ones that you can save will be fine. You've taught me so much, And in several occasions I don't know what I would've done without your expertise! You're the only one I watch and trust. I wish you the best with the babies. We all Care so very much! Keep us posted
Oh gosh! I hope there's nothing else wrong and they can live comfortable healthy lives as pets. I wonder what happened, if it's genetic to the combo or what. I'm so sorry. You did your very best, no one can doubt that. Fingers crossed for happy hungry babies. If I had room for another BP I'd take one for sure- They deserve a chance if they can, like you said. I have my Finnley partly because of your work. We all know how much you care.
I’m sorry to hear about your clutch! I am glad you shared this because people need to see not every clutch comes out good. And even if there are some abnormalities it doesn’t mean the snake is no good. You just have to give a little more TLC.
Thank you Bob for sharing this snakey journey with all of us. Im glad you did, its very important to see and learn from you and eachother. Snakes are amazing little creatures and can teach us tons. Much love Bob from my little Luna 🐍 and myself. I hope you can see the Solar eclipse today. ❤
Everything is a learning curve, you've got experience of a bad clutch you have a rough idea about what could have happened and you'll no doubt be more successful in the future. Really honest video and as I kinda wanted to see the problems on the snakes I really respect that you didn't show that. Thanks bob
I appreciate how educational your videos are, and I am sorry this clutch didn't do well 😔 Green room and snake discovery has really helped me increased my knowledge about ball pythons
Aww, poor little babies, I'm so sorry for your losses but appreciate the insight into what happens when everything doesn't go smoothly. Hope the little sharkies start eating on their own soon. ❤️
Fantastic, emotional video. I have watched your videos for over a year since getting my BP. I do not let mine free roam, we all have opinion which you understand. Your advice has been invaluable in keeping my BP safe. I’m not a breeder, and could not imagine losing or selling my BP. This video was heartbreaking as little ones die as you cut them out. At the end of the day, a happy snake is a hiding snake!
Sorry about your babies, I'm glad that you show the hard part of breeding. I have a pet corn snake, no intentions of breeding snakes, but I see also the temptations. Im also very glad that you have places prepared in the event of this situation.
Thank you for sharing the video diary... Soo sorry that some of the snakelet have problems... But it's a great video for people to learn from. Onwards and upwards ❤🍀
Hey, you are bringing us along for the good and the bad. I think a shared icon of ours (Brian B) said that. Thanks for educating us and taking care of the noodles!
Wow. Your passion and thoughtfulness into what you’re sharing with us is amazing. I appreciate the time and effort that you put into these educational videos. I’m sorry your clutch had so many issues.
I'm glad you shared this even though it is quite sad. You obviously care about these babies and put in effort to try for them when I think a lot of breeders wouldn't bother. ❤️
If im to be a fan ive gotta watch the rough ones too. I appreciate you keeping the channel real especially the various problems and issues that arise as a keeper or breeder.
I'm sorry on this clutch and that the breeder of the mother is being illusive. The video wasn't too ramble-y and you brought up some important points. I'm glad you posted it. Often uneducated keepers jump headfirst into breeding thinking only of the positives ($ and cute babies), without any idea of what can actually go wrong (or who they're going to sell to, but that's a different matter). I see it in the aquarium hobby and the reptile hobby all the time. You have experience, have obtained and utilized all of the needed supplies and knowledge, and still something went wrong, which sadly is just part of the process sometimes. The more content creators like you actually talk about the failure risks associated with breeding, the fewer unprepared keepers will actually attempt it, resulting in fewer low-quality, unhealthy animals congesting the market only to live suboptimal lives. It's something the community needs to see.
I'm fairly recent in the hobby. My BP is almost a year and i've gained a lot of confidence and education from your videos. Its so informative to see this side of the hatching process. I'm sorry for the trouble with your clutch but buck up! You gave them every chance you could and natural processes like these sometimes go sideways.
You may have had trouble with this clutch but so many of these lil guys get better care and thrive because of your presence. I know my lil Tobias has you to thank for everything going so well for him!
I’m sorry to hear that this happened. It’s sad, but unfortunately it’s a reality that occurs when breeding animals. Thank you for your honesty and the information you provided in this video.
Aye respect for still showing and teaching about the clutch man💪 I could easily see most people with that kind of situation trying to hide it. keep your head up man, your videos are very useful to me as a petco employee💪 I literally tell everyone that buys a snake to look up your channel.
Sorry about the issues. Hopefully they can still do alright - BP can do alright without eyes or with some jaw issues. But even still, it makes it much harder to find a home etc. Usually the eye thing is more with albinos, so its pretty surprising. Even boas can do fine with no eyes, but the jaw stuff can def be harder. They are pretty and cute either way tho! :)
I just came across your TH-cam channel and this is the video it showed so I watched it. I think you are a very sincere gentleman and absolutely 100% care for and do everything that you possibly can for your snakes. But I do have a question I wanted to ask you and hopefully your able to answer it for me. What would cause the whole clutch to have something wrong with every baby? Is it a genetic thing or something that can just happen when they are forming in the egg? I honestly appreciate and love your videos and how you do absolutely every possible that you can to take care of all your snakes. You can truly see it in your face and hear it in your voice how much you care about all your babies. And I'm even referring to the adult/older snakes as your babies as well as the new babies that are born. I refer to all my fur babies as my children or my babies as if they were actually my children. Thank you for all your videos that you put out on your channel the good ones and the bad ones. They are very educational for people who are interested in breeding snakes or just getting one to keep as a pet. Again thank you for all your information that you give to all of us that watch your videos and the ones who have subscribed to your channel. I'm one of those people who have subscribed and watch your videos. You are absolutely amazing!!!
Thank you so much for the comments, I'm glad you're enjoying the channel. This kind of thing happens occasionally, and it's often an incubation issue, which I suspect is what happened in this case. It could also be a genetic issue with the parents. In this case, we ended up with two babies that came out normal, and the rest had problems. I suspect there were heat spikes in the egg tub.
I have two ball pythons (babies) and I plan on breeding them once they're older, I appreciate the in-depth view and honesty about the possibilities when breeding snakes! i'll make sure to be super prepared for what mother nature throws my way :)
I love the honesty, but also raising sharkmouths for the past 6 months from a breeder with similar issues, they thrive as long as you work with them. it sucks when it happens, but also know there are people willing to work with the animal.. it's sad for the clutch that so much have the issue, and hard to place how or why's with such a long incubation. But please don't be discouraged. We have 2 sharkmouths and one severe enough she continues to need assisted feeding, but been strong for half a year and LOVES exploring
Thank you for sharing this. This is important information for folks to know before they decide to get into breeding. Still, I’m sure this was a hard video to make; it’s very clear how much you care about your snakes!
Yes you are very caring and I’m sorry that it happen. But you are very informative and Ty again. AB’s this is one of the reasons I watch your video you don’t hide anything even if good or bad.
thank you for your transparency and education about the not-so-fun side of breeding animals. my family breeds and shows dogs, and we had our first litter last fall that we learned a lot from. out of ten, one puppy simply failed to thrive, one puppy had a cleft palette and also did not survive, and two puppies had tail kinks (which did not affect their health, just a cosmetic defect). we reflected on what we knew from the breeding pairing as well as husbandry with the dam; this was her first litter, and she was a very picky eater during pregnancy, so perhaps some of the issues were related to nutritional issues. from the puppies with the tail kinks, we decided to test our breeding stock for a gene that causes screw and kinked tails in bully-type breeds (ours are american staffordshire terriers), alongside the other genetic diseases we test for. from this experience, we now know what to do differently next time for hopefully a better outcome. ethical breeding is extremely important with any species, and education and reflecting on how to better your breeding practices is a neverending journey. at the end of the day, the goal should be to produce healthy, thriving offspring while simultaneously achieving your personal breeder goals. hopefully the babies from this clutch that continue to survive find loving, caring homes ❤️
Aww. This was so tough to watch. But I know you care about your snakes and that came through even though this was a rough clutch. It’s important to see the good and the bad. Eventually I might try breeding Hecate, and it’s good to be prepared.
I appreciate your care for your animals greatly! I'd like to suggest raising your incubation temps by 2 degrees. I person,ally run 88-88.5 and in almost 2 years breeding have had only 1 very tiny tail kink. I wish you future success my friend!
Ugh, that's a bummer man, I'm sorry. I got a clutch in the oven right now that I'm a tad worried about because mom laid them all over her tub and I didn't see them until I got home from work late that day. I mean she rolled them everywhere, and I know most of them had to have been on the cool end for hours. Banana clutch. No dead eggs yet, and I'm absolutely not touching them until someone pips, but I'm a little nervous about what'll come out of them. Best of luck with your other clutches! 🤞
You're handling it well Bob. I know this clutch has been a worry. Things happen. Best wishes for your two remaining and I look forward to more updates! Especially if you can figure out what that unique pattern is.
I think everyone can see how much you care about these snakes and their well-being, I'm sorry your babies are struggling.
Thanks Robert
Sounds like temperature spikes during incubation, which is mentioned, but sometimes you get genetics that are more vulnerable to them and unfortunately temperature probes are only checking one portion of the temperature and you can get Hot pockets that affect certain individuals. If you've got footage of the egg positions and know which baby came from which spot what you're likely to see is the one that has one eye missing is right against one that's missing both of its eyes because there was a localized hotspot. Major bummer. I always recommend slightly lower end of the possible incubation spectrum because that way if you have minor fluctuations you're less likely to go into the danger zone that causes this type of birth defect. Interestingly enough the same birth defects happen in bird egg incubation as well it's just we've dialed in those temperatures to the lowest efficient level so heavily that you don't see it often, but I live in a desert and I've seen natural chicken incubation go wrong here with temperature spikes and you get the exact same symptoms in the resulting chicks and it's horrifying.
Edit: I just noticed how close your eggs are to each other in the box, I've Heard that this can cause localized hot spots because the eggs themselves generate a certain amount of heat while they're developing, though I have never personally tried putting them close together since I learned this before I ever started working with breeders from a zoologist working on incubating endangered species. He basically said always go slightly lower than you think it's going to be and always space your eggs really good so that heat from development doesn't alter the overall heat profile. The crazy thing is this guy told me this 20 years ago and I don't think it was very well known yet back then, but there have been scientific papers published on it since.
If it does end up being something genetic I'd love to see a follow-up video on that.
@@darcieclements4880 Yes, when I raised chicks and reptiles at a science museum in the 80s, we were always told to leave space around each of the eggs, otherwise we ran the risk of hot spots and mold.
Although VERY disappointing and sad, this is an important video. Breeding snakes isn’t always a “Yay” process and when you care about the animals it can be gutting. I feel your pain. 💔❤️
Thanks Lori
This comment is huge. Every channel is trying to sell you on their entertainment production and ultimately play into the sales market in some capacity.
We need to see more of the hard side of things. Keeping a pet isn’t always pretty, keeping an exotic pet is the same with new complications and areas you can’t experience because they’re not mammal pets.
Thank you. Keep your head up brother.
100% as a new..ish hobbiest this definitely helps in future decisions.. refreshing seing someone who breeds, really cares but can be bruitally honist with the negatives.
@@GreenRoomPythonsyou really did an amazing job showing viewers an honest portrayal of the darker side of animal husbandry, while treating these babies with dignity and compassion. You didn't cheapen the tragedy with shock tactics to increase views and engagement. You didn't hide the sad outcome of this clutch from your community. And you didn't pretend to have all the answers and know precisely what was responsible for all the anomalies in this clutch, including the unexpected morph.
I was very impressed with you and your video. Best wishes for all your babies, and that the breeder of the female gets back in touch with you.
@@rocki_bb thanks very much, I appreciate your comments!
I appreciate your honesty when it comes to clutches not doing so well
Thanks :-)
It happened so frequently too and I feel like not enough TH-camrs are transparent about it. Being a breeder is incredibly rough on people and I just advise people because I'm a biologist that advised a lot of breeders (I Don't feel the need to do my own breeding because assisting is enough). Basically there's a ton of things that can go wrong with reproduction that go well beyond as simple as oh this was environment, oh this was genetics. There are dozens of things that you need to be keeping in mind and people have me coming and evaluate when things go wrong and let me tell you things go wrong way more than most people are prepared for. A lot of times I'll have a breeder direct someone to me who is in new breeder who asked them a question and this is sort of how I became that person. Tons of new breeders have absolutely disastrous results very early on and it's hard for them to realize that this isn't going to be an easy and always happy hobby and that chances are they're going to lose a lot more money than they make long-term because of how many things could go wrong and that very few of these things are actually properly discussed publicly. I think a lot of them struggle with some of the things that once you've seen it you can't unsee as well which happens with animal husbandry in general but is amplified if you're doing breading by several fold.
Edit: I'm afraid I don't know enough about ball python specifically to speculate on what could be going on with your stuff genetically without doing a deep dive, but sometimes this just ends up being an unfortunate environmental effect and the only way to know if you've got genetic influence is to do the same pair again and check. It can also be helpful if you've had more than one clutch in the same incubator for sussing that out but that's impractical for other reasons.
This is NOT a bummer video. I am sad for the babies, but it's so apparent that you love them and provide them with the best chance they could hope for. We love them and we love you. I am glad you show what breeding can be like. Hugs from Alabama!
Thanks so much Amanda, I appreciate that!
Years ago a coworker hatched an albino boy without eyes. I took him. He was wonderful, one of my favourite snakes. Magoo lived to be 24 years old. Snakes do not know they need eyes when they have never had them. They have heat pits to sense their prey and their tongues for scent. As long as the snake will eat, there will be no problem. Magoo found his way around his bin easily, I left his hides, water, plants in the same position. He often came out for snake enrichment the same as my other snakes. I am not a patreon yet, but if nobody wants the clefted shark jawed snake, I can give him a good home, even if he needs assisted feeding. Hope all these snakes become cherished pets.
That's great. I have a list of people that are interested in the shark jaw baby, but if you want to get on the list, message me on patreon, and I'll put you on it :-)
How do you choose between the people on the list? First come first serve, highest offer? @@GreenRoomPythons
Thank you for showing even the dark side of snake breeding. It's sad it turned out this way but the educational value's fantastic, especially for a first-time breeder who might stumble onto it.
I had a baby red tail boa that was born without eyes and had a kink. He lasted a year but eventually passed. He ate ok but it took a long time and he regurgitated half the time under perfect housing conditions. He eventually started taking meals and keeping them down but he passed at the year mark. He never grew in that year so I know he had other medical issues I could not diagnose. I did my best to give him a good life. I hope you find these babes loving homes, the ones who can make it. Im sorry that it went down likes this. I know you care deeply for these lovely reptiles.
People need to know the bad and the good. Thank you for being honest.
I'm sorry for the outcome, but i truly do appreciate your willingness to share it with us. You never know who else will have to deal with something similar and this information could be highly valuable to saving lives in the future. i am VERY bothered that the breeder is ignoring you!!! It makes me suspicious that they KNEW there might be problems and didn't tell you! I know you won't, but i so badly want you to put them on blast so they can't do this to someone else! There are so many GOOD and ETHICAL breeders out there who would never ignore their buyers and THEY should be promoted for sure! Good luck with your little ones. Looking forward to more updates 💖🙏🏼
I'm so sorry the babies had so many problems. But they are lucky to have a dad like you, and we all know you'll do your very best for them ❤
Hey Bob, I just wanted to thank you, your advice helped me to convive my parents to let me get a pet snake, and now I have a little pinstripe banana boy who is doing very well.
Congrats on your new snake!
I'm very sorry about your clutch! 😞 But the imperfect ones can and do thrive and make great pets! I have a pastel spied (spider pied) that a friend gave me as a hatchling. Besides the spider wobble he has one small eye, but is blind and has a cleft palate. He's over 3 yrs old now, eats on his own and has a very strong will to live! I call him "Mad Eye Moody" from Harry Potter or "Moody" for short. It takes a lot of patience and work, but can be so rewarding helping these little guys to survive. Moody has been one of the best teachers I have had. I love this little guy!
I love that you posted this; I don't think a lot of TH-camr's would have... Who wants to post their failures? But it's important for us to see that even experts can have unfortunate results, even if they tried to do everything right.
It's not a failure.
It's an opportunity to learn.
I believe the phrase I have seen used is, "Win or Learn"!
Oh Bob, I'm so sorry about those babies! What a shame. Makes me really sad.😓
Thanks mom!
@@GreenRoomPythons I think it's awesome that your mom follows you on TH-cam
I can see the hurt in your eyes about that clutch 😢 my sincere condolences 💐
Good video for folks to see, it doesn’t always go as planned and something that needs some more attention for those looking into breeding. Hope the remainder of the clutch find themselves a good life from here ❤
Thank you so much!
While my heart breaks at this, I'm relieved that you decided to post this. It gives voice to not every day or clutch is going to be perfect, it can be very raw and gutting. Thank you for sharing and I hope things start looking up
Wow that must have been really crushing to find the babies like that
Freeways are my absolute favorite and I'm not sure why but the stripe down the back is beautiful. I am so sorry they did not all turn out. This unfortunately, is life. That is how breeding goes. It's good for people to see this though, in case they want to start breeding. It's good for people to know what they are getting themselves into.
That's so sad. Sorry to hear that the clutch ended up like that. Makes me so grateful for my little boy. Didn't think I'd be so upset to hear your news. Thinking of you Bob.
Aww I’m so sorry Bob, this was a rough one to watch🥺 Poor little babies. I hope the remaining babies are doing okay💕
One can only appreciate how open you are about the process!
Awh Bob, I'm so sorry. Always sucks when this happens but thanks for keeping it real with us. I can tell just in your demeanor and your voice that you care very much about those little buggers and it hurt to see that some of them were unwell. I know you'll make sure they're taken care of and put into wonderful homes 💙
That’s a bummer on the clutch. I appreciate you talking about it though and in a respectful way. Nobody ever wants to talk about the bad/ugly side of the hobby, but it’s a reality we deal with when breeding any animal.
Those were rough odds.. Condolences for the ones that didn't make it & fingers crossed for the others. Thank you for sharing this video, even if it's not what you originally planned. It's good to see TH-camrs sharing reality & not just sugarcoating everything. 💜
I'm sorry to hear about this clutch Bob. Nature is both wonderful and brutal in turns. These babies are in great hands at least!
I just want to say I appreciate you showing that these things can happen with many reasons. Not every clutch will be successful. I’m sorry that it didn’t work out in your favor. But I’m very fortunate to watch this video to know what other possibilities could happen. And I appreciate that you were very brave to show this to us.
Thank you for still sharing the video. All the best to the little ones and all the best to future clutches.
(and thank you for not showing the snakes you decided not to show - I know it's life, it's nature but it's still heartbreaking any way)
I hope the babies that made it will thrive and have a wonderful, healthy life as a pet snake. 💚
Thank you
This is sad... I have a pine snake ane now since last week I'm the proud owner of a little butter ball python ! She ate for the first time today and I was super worried she wouldn't take her mice but she was so happy to eat that she constricted her food and half of the vegetation of her enclosure 😂 You made me love ball pythons and I'm incredibly happy to own one. Such a cute girl
Congrats!
This is my first video of yours. I don't even know how/why it showed up in my feed. I have already sub'd and look forward to doing a few binge watching days, as I can. I love constrictors but, I've never watched a TH-cam on snakes before. Lol.
Years ago, I owned a rather large Burmese. Buttercup was the most gentle sweetheart, as there ever could be. After just a month, I would hold her (already 7' when I adopted her) and my skittish daughter (1st Grade when adopting Buttercup, almost 30 now) would actually sit still and pet Buttercup with so much affection. Buttercup was such an ambassador for snakes, especially Pythons.
My daughter's self-confidence and love of ALL animals (maybe not spiders, lol) soared exponentially after such a short time of learning about and loving Buttercup.
When I am in the market for another, I will definitely come here for at least a referral, if not the actual snake.
Thank you so much for being willing to show more than just the "pretty stuff". Life is rarely pretty for more than bursts scattered throughout. Sure, tell me how to appreciate the bursts longer, better, etc but, anyone saying that life can be, should be, how to make life nothing but those bursts of pure, unadulterated joy is a liar ~ either to themselves or to others ~ and not to be trusted.
Thanks so much for your comment. That's a great story about your daughter and the python. Welcome to the channel!
Our little shark mouth boy is a wonderful pet ive mentioned him before xxxx life is interesting with a disabled snake as what you see isnt all they have difficulty with xxxx Taz our boy is handled so much he is up for cuddles anytime but this is due to us having to help him feed and poo for the first year of his life xxxx i will say it was worth it as he is now three but it is alot of work and heartache so if you take one on its not an easy ride to stability xxxx good luck with whatever you decide my heart goes out to you here xxxx
Aw. Poor little beans. I hope the rest of them continue to thrive!
Thank you for showing all aspects of breeding, even the not so pretty and sad parts. I hope everyone who is considering breeding keeps outcomes like this in mind. I hope you, Kada, and the surviving babies are doing okay ❤
Thank you for this Bob. Very important for people to see the downsides.
Fingers crossed that some of the babies thrive. 🐍
I love that you are so gentle with those little loves 💕
I just want to say you are a person of OUTSTANDING integrity and character. No one else would have been THIS transparent & gave us this opportunity to see the downside of loving reptiles. Thank you for being 100% transparent & not trying to cover up or hide this. You could have easily just frozen the eggs, tossed them & said hey clutch failed. But you gave us the raw truth.
First time poster, long time lurker. But just wanted to say I’m so sorry this happened. Even if sad, I appreciate you sharing the downsides that can occur. You may never know what happened.
I'm so sorry about your babies. Thank you for doing what you can for them! They all deserve a chance at life and I'm so glad you gave them one 💜
Hey Bob, It's really important for people to see the full spectrum of experiences that are possible when choosing to breed animals. So many breeders seem to have such a cavalier attitude regarding the living creatures that they choose to bring into the world. Thank you for demonstrating what is also possible so that people can make more informed and humane decisions about choosing to breed. Do you feel like you might choose to not continue to breed ball pythons after this experience? Sorry about that clutch. Super bummer to see those little snakes arrive that way. Best of luck in the future.
This is all part of breeding animals. I will definitely continue
@@GreenRoomPythons Hey Bob, I have a question that I can't seem to get answered ANYWHERE online. Do BPs or Retics lay eggs without being exposed to males? I'm not talking about parthenogenesis. I am referring to growing follicles and laying infertile eggs like a chicken. Maybe you should do a video about this as there is ZERO info on the subject. Cheers! -Anton
@@bugbiteaudio no, they typically do not do that although parthenogenesis does happen in rare cases
Sorry about your babies. You present these videos very well . Keep up the great work
Thank you!
This must have been difficult for you but I really appreciate the honesty you’ve shared here. I’m sorry for your losses.
Thank you for being transparent on a subject like this. Some people like to act perfect and that’s just impossible. Breeders should be prepared for things like this to happen and have a plan of action going forward.
Bob, much credit to you for taking the outcome of this clutch in stride. Your presentation in this video, as well as all others, is exactly why we enjoy listening to you & learning from you. Many thanks to you for doing what you do
👍
Thank you so much, I appreciate that!
I'm glad you posted this video. I often day dream about breeding ball pythons and having little babies, but this really showed the risk and reality of the process.
Thank you for posting this Bob! ❤ It IS important to post the sad times like this, right along with the good. That’s just life! ❤
Aww, I’m so sorry Bob. I know you must be so bummed 🙁
I also want to say though, that your transparency throughout this is wonderful and appreciated. Hugs!
Thanks Tarra!
Sorry to hear about your clutch man thanks for showing the other side of breeding
Appreciate the transparency and sorry to hear about the results. Hoping the remaining ones thrive!
So sorry to hear that, they will be fine and you have a lot of people that will take them and love them
I'm sorry man this is never a good feeling😥 Thank you for making this video and letting us be a part of this journey. ❤️
Hey, I'm sorry this clutch didn't work out like you hoped but i am grateful that you decided in favor of putting this video up.
Great for educational purposes.
Xoxo
I am a new snake owner and i wanted to thank you for all of your videos. They have helped me and my wife get more comfortable and confident in careing for our new family addition. Thank you very much!
It's so important to show things like this! I'm happy that you did. I think if someone wants to get into the breeding hobby they see when things go wrong. It helps people make educated decisions about whether or not it's something they can handle. As for the babies, we know whatever happens with them they're in good hands. You'll make sure that the ones that thrive go somewhere they'll be cared for, and if any don't that they'll be treated with respect. It's why we love your channel so much. You do what you do with love, and it's clear!
i really appreciate how real and honest this was! Things happen and not every clutch turns out great!
I am so sorry the whole clutch did not come out ideal. It's really nice to see the other side of breeding and some of the difficulty in the hobby.
So sorry Bob, makes me sad too my friend.😢 Thank you for sharing
Hi, Bob.I'm so sorry.This is so sad! Let's just hope that the ones that you can save will be fine. You've taught me so much, And in several occasions I don't know what I would've done without your expertise! You're the only one I watch and trust. I wish you the best with the babies. We all Care so very much! Keep us posted
Thank you so much, I'm glad the videos have been helpful :-)
Sad, but great video. Valuable and important to show both the ups and downs. Thanks Bob
Thank you for publishing this! As sad as this was, it was important to see and know
I'm so sorry you had this happen. I really hope that they can do well and eat fine. 🙏 Good luck!
Oh gosh! I hope there's nothing else wrong and they can live comfortable healthy lives as pets. I wonder what happened, if it's genetic to the combo or what. I'm so sorry. You did your very best, no one can doubt that. Fingers crossed for happy hungry babies. If I had room for another BP I'd take one for sure- They deserve a chance if they can, like you said. I have my Finnley partly because of your work. We all know how much you care.
I’m sorry to hear about your clutch! I am glad you shared this because people need to see not every clutch comes out good. And even if there are some abnormalities it doesn’t mean the snake is no good. You just have to give a little more TLC.
Thank you Bob for sharing this snakey journey with all of us. Im glad you did, its very important to see and learn from you and eachother. Snakes are amazing little creatures and can teach us tons. Much love Bob from my little Luna 🐍 and myself. I hope you can see the Solar eclipse today. ❤
Thank you so much
Everything is a learning curve, you've got experience of a bad clutch you have a rough idea about what could have happened and you'll no doubt be more successful in the future.
Really honest video and as I kinda wanted to see the problems on the snakes I really respect that you didn't show that.
Thanks bob
I appreciate how educational your videos are, and I am sorry this clutch didn't do well 😔
Green room and snake discovery has really helped me increased my knowledge about ball pythons
Aww, poor little babies, I'm so sorry for your losses but appreciate the insight into what happens when everything doesn't go smoothly. Hope the little sharkies start eating on their own soon. ❤️
Fantastic, emotional video. I have watched your videos for over a year since getting my BP.
I do not let mine free roam, we all have opinion which you understand. Your advice has been invaluable in keeping my BP safe.
I’m not a breeder, and could not imagine losing or selling my BP.
This video was heartbreaking as little ones die as you cut them out.
At the end of the day, a happy snake is a hiding snake!
Sorry about your babies, I'm glad that you show the hard part of breeding. I have a pet corn snake, no intentions of breeding snakes, but I see also the temptations. Im also very glad that you have places prepared in the event of this situation.
Thank you for sharing the video diary...
Soo sorry that some of the snakelet have problems...
But it's a great video for people to learn from. Onwards and upwards ❤🍀
Thank you for sharing this with us!
Ugh...sorry to hear the news. Thankfully they are in good hands. Best of luck in the next few months.
So sorry to see! 😢 You do a great job however with your vlogs and very glad to see how your supporters are growing! 🎉
Thank you so much!
@@GreenRoomPythons You truly deserve it!
Hey, you are bringing us along for the good and the bad. I think a shared icon of ours (Brian B) said that. Thanks for educating us and taking care of the noodles!
You know it's a sad video when Kent doesn't appear 😥
Wow. Your passion and thoughtfulness into what you’re sharing with us is amazing. I appreciate the time and effort that you put into these educational videos. I’m sorry your clutch had so many issues.
Thank you so much, I appreciate that
I'm glad you shared this even though it is quite sad. You obviously care about these babies and put in effort to try for them when I think a lot of breeders wouldn't bother. ❤️
If im to be a fan ive gotta watch the rough ones too. I appreciate you keeping the channel real especially the various problems and issues that arise as a keeper or breeder.
I'm sorry on this clutch and that the breeder of the mother is being illusive. The video wasn't too ramble-y and you brought up some important points. I'm glad you posted it. Often uneducated keepers jump headfirst into breeding thinking only of the positives ($ and cute babies), without any idea of what can actually go wrong (or who they're going to sell to, but that's a different matter). I see it in the aquarium hobby and the reptile hobby all the time. You have experience, have obtained and utilized all of the needed supplies and knowledge, and still something went wrong, which sadly is just part of the process sometimes. The more content creators like you actually talk about the failure risks associated with breeding, the fewer unprepared keepers will actually attempt it, resulting in fewer low-quality, unhealthy animals congesting the market only to live suboptimal lives. It's something the community needs to see.
I'm fairly recent in the hobby. My BP is almost a year and i've gained a lot of confidence and education from your videos. Its so informative to see this side of the hatching process. I'm sorry for the trouble with your clutch but buck up! You gave them every chance you could and natural processes like these sometimes go sideways.
You may have had trouble with this clutch but so many of these lil guys get better care and thrive because of your presence. I know my lil Tobias has you to thank for everything going so well for him!
However, I'm glad you showed this down side of breeding. It's good to know its not always successful.
That's right, there are difficult things to deal with when breeding any animal
I’m sorry to hear that this happened. It’s sad, but unfortunately it’s a reality that occurs when breeding animals. Thank you for your honesty and the information you provided in this video.
Aye respect for still showing and teaching about the clutch man💪 I could easily see most people with that kind of situation trying to hide it. keep your head up man, your videos are very useful to me as a petco employee💪 I literally tell everyone that buys a snake to look up your channel.
Thank you so much!
Sorry about the issues. Hopefully they can still do alright - BP can do alright without eyes or with some jaw issues. But even still, it makes it much harder to find a home etc. Usually the eye thing is more with albinos, so its pretty surprising. Even boas can do fine with no eyes, but the jaw stuff can def be harder. They are pretty and cute either way tho! :)
I just came across your TH-cam channel and this is the video it showed so I watched it. I think you are a very sincere gentleman and absolutely 100% care for and do everything that you possibly can for your snakes. But I do have a question I wanted to ask you and hopefully your able to answer it for me. What would cause the whole clutch to have something wrong with every baby? Is it a genetic thing or something that can just happen when they are forming in the egg? I honestly appreciate and love your videos and how you do absolutely every possible that you can to take care of all your snakes. You can truly see it in your face and hear it in your voice how much you care about all your babies. And I'm even referring to the adult/older snakes as your babies as well as the new babies that are born. I refer to all my fur babies as my children or my babies as if they were actually my children. Thank you for all your videos that you put out on your channel the good ones and the bad ones. They are very educational for people who are interested in breeding snakes or just getting one to keep as a pet. Again thank you for all your information that you give to all of us that watch your videos and the ones who have subscribed to your channel. I'm one of those people who have subscribed and watch your videos. You are absolutely amazing!!!
Thank you so much for the comments, I'm glad you're enjoying the channel. This kind of thing happens occasionally, and it's often an incubation issue, which I suspect is what happened in this case. It could also be a genetic issue with the parents. In this case, we ended up with two babies that came out normal, and the rest had problems. I suspect there were heat spikes in the egg tub.
That must have been a difficult video to make, and an even harder process to go through. Holding thumbs that the survivors prosper.
Thanks keith!
I have two ball pythons (babies) and I plan on breeding them once they're older, I appreciate the in-depth view and honesty about the possibilities when breeding snakes! i'll make sure to be super prepared for what mother nature throws my way :)
BEAUTIFUL clutch, sorry for the bad luck.
Thank you so much for that info.
im glad your initial clutches were clear and healthy. This is rough.
I love the honesty, but also raising sharkmouths for the past 6 months from a breeder with similar issues, they thrive as long as you work with them. it sucks when it happens, but also know there are people willing to work with the animal.. it's sad for the clutch that so much have the issue, and hard to place how or why's with such a long incubation. But please don't be discouraged. We have 2 sharkmouths and one severe enough she continues to need assisted feeding, but been strong for half a year and LOVES exploring
Thank you for sharing this. This is important information for folks to know before they decide to get into breeding. Still, I’m sure this was a hard video to make; it’s very clear how much you care about your snakes!
I like this channel a lot. Great video. Hopefully it works out for the best dude.
Yes you are very caring and I’m sorry that it happen. But you are very informative and Ty again. AB’s this is one of the reasons I watch your video you don’t hide anything even if good or bad.
Thank you for making this video, really. I think it's very important too. I'm so sorry for this clutch! You're such a great breeder!❤
thank you for your transparency and education about the not-so-fun side of breeding animals. my family breeds and shows dogs, and we had our first litter last fall that we learned a lot from. out of ten, one puppy simply failed to thrive, one puppy had a cleft palette and also did not survive, and two puppies had tail kinks (which did not affect their health, just a cosmetic defect). we reflected on what we knew from the breeding pairing as well as husbandry with the dam; this was her first litter, and she was a very picky eater during pregnancy, so perhaps some of the issues were related to nutritional issues. from the puppies with the tail kinks, we decided to test our breeding stock for a gene that causes screw and kinked tails in bully-type breeds (ours are american staffordshire terriers), alongside the other genetic diseases we test for. from this experience, we now know what to do differently next time for hopefully a better outcome. ethical breeding is extremely important with any species, and education and reflecting on how to better your breeding practices is a neverending journey. at the end of the day, the goal should be to produce healthy, thriving offspring while simultaneously achieving your personal breeder goals. hopefully the babies from this clutch that continue to survive find loving, caring homes ❤️
Aww. This was so tough to watch. But I know you care about your snakes and that came through even though this was a rough clutch. It’s important to see the good and the bad. Eventually I might try breeding Hecate, and it’s good to be prepared.
Unfortunate clutch, but great info and great presentation of a tough subject. Great video, although not great at the same time.
I appreciate your care for your animals greatly! I'd like to suggest raising your incubation temps by 2 degrees. I person,ally run 88-88.5 and in almost 2 years breeding have had only 1 very tiny tail kink. I wish you future success my friend!
Ugh, that's a bummer man, I'm sorry. I got a clutch in the oven right now that I'm a tad worried about because mom laid them all over her tub and I didn't see them until I got home from work late that day. I mean she rolled them everywhere, and I know most of them had to have been on the cool end for hours. Banana clutch. No dead eggs yet, and I'm absolutely not touching them until someone pips, but I'm a little nervous about what'll come out of them.
Best of luck with your other clutches! 🤞
Best of luck with your clutch
You're handling it well Bob. I know this clutch has been a worry. Things happen. Best wishes for your two remaining and I look forward to more updates! Especially if you can figure out what that unique pattern is.