Nick made good points here. But Stafford can definitely change the trajectory of his career going forward to end his career. Maybe when he's done he could earn enough accolades for it to matter
Stafford and Ryan are tough because they are arguably the two best QBs drafted since Aaron Rodgers in 2005 until Patrick Mahomes in 2017 (Russell Wilson may be the best and Andrew Luck's career and Cam's peak were too short). That's 11 draft classes where those two are at least top 3. However, they are surrounded by greatness- Peyton, Brady, Brees, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Rodgers on one side, and it looks like Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Allen, Burrow and Herbert on the other. They were the best in desert of talent. They probably don't get in, but it's close.
Everything is on point brother! Except Brady is exempt from that last he’s above then the rest of the greatness class and ur right it’s tough Stafford or Ryan idk if they belong with them
Stafford gets in easily. He has absurd numbers and won a superbowl. He would've made it even before this season. The hof isnt what people think it is. It should be named hall of very good
@@mrmillennium2697 except for ryan has way better numbers. I'm not saying ryan and stafford are top 10 all time but go look at guys in the hall of fame lol. We have qbs with more ints than tds currently in. Lol ya tittle has like 200 touchdowns and 220 interceptions and was a first ballot.
Stafford took a massive step towards Canton. Nick bringing up the Pro Bowl selections while forgetting Stafford has been snubbed multiple times for the PB, including a year where he threw for 5,000 YARDS! I think Broussard brought up OBJ and Kupp quite well. When Stafford's career is over, he will likely be top 5 in most major passing categories, and consider that he spent over a decade with a bad organization (while not absolving him of all failures), him putting up consistent production and a few more playoff wins, he's getting in. Another Lombardi, it's a lock.
@@Cediedash22 You're changing the argument though. You're saying "I think he deserved to make it these years, despite bad records and no playoff success, and so these years where he didn't make it to the pro bowl should count as years where he did" and that's just not the truth. The fact of the matter is, Matt Stafford is the epitome of a QB who put up good stats for bad teams. Up until this year, where he had an EXCELLENT team around him, Stafford was the picture of a statpadder. He didn't win games, he put up empty numbers, and those shouldn't get you into the hall of Fame
@@zeusonolympus123 Those 7 years he was a numerous pro bowler and all pro, so if it's only about longevity, then Kurt Warner shouldn't be in. They keep doing this and that's why Qbs don't last because in reality they give em the most leeway
Stafford should not get into the HOF even if he probably will. Stafford didn’t have a single playoff win before this year. As well as Stafford played during the postseason he also played on a stack team that 5-10 other QB’s would’ve won a Super Bowl with as well.
@Scott Summers I’ll agree to that. They were sending 3 people so that twist start being wide open on the back side. He did take over the game. But I just feel Jared don’t win us that game. With everything that happened Matt was the difference maker IMO.
@@TheAndre2crump Apples and oranges dude lol Mahomes SBs were against teams with amazing defenses... in 2 games against the Bengals this year Mahomes had 7 TD passes😅 And Mahomes just completed his 4th season... and is #12 ALL TIME career playoff TD passes... You should probably pick somebody else to compare Stafford to... let THAT sink in for a moment😅
@@ForsakenWar and Stafford undefeated with the Rams in playoffs🤷🏾♂️ , Bucs defense was not amazing. Y’all literally torched them earlier that year. Niners I will give you but not Bucs. Also in two games vs bengals he has 0 wins this year. Blowing double digit leads so don’t say nun bout them. All this to say I’m not saying Matt better than Pat by no means. Just saying Matt had a great Super Bowl. And is a big time player. I will argue he more big time than Aaron Rodgers though not Pat.
I think the reason why this is a debate is because when you think of a Hall of Famer it’s ppl that transcended the game and dominated at their position consistently for multiple years (i.e. considered the best at their position or at least top 3). Aaron Donald is a perfect example 7 years 7 straight All-Pro, Defensive MVP awards, Pro Bowl selections, Now a Super Bowl Champion etc. Now that’s dominance and didn’t need 12 plus years to do it. You can’t say the same for Stafford. Winning the Super Bowl is a big step but he gotta show out for the remainder of his time with LA.
And he's done like 12 No look passes in the last 2 years but no one bats an eye he's also got a Cannon of an arm like Mahomes and he's been put to the wayside because he's been on Detroit lions a laughing stock team for so many years.
If we’re being realistic, staff had some crazy years that were pro bowl worthy at least. This very well could’ve been his Super Bowl mvp too. It’s not a coincidence his first time on a good team ended up in a successful playoff. He’s far from done too in his career
@@sholovesholove4620 I hear you, but everyone who would round out the top 5 had a better situation to work around than Stafford. Example being give Stafford Seattle with BeastMode in the back and that secondary, he would light every team up so as much as we hold Russell,Brady,Rodgers etc in high regard I think Stafford would be just as productive those guys if he landed in those organization… no he’s not getting 6 Super Bowls with NE but you get my drift
@Lohkyn I mean obviously we don’t know that, but what I do know is Stafford isn’t as great a QB as Brady so that’s why Im assuming he doesn’t get 6. That’s not to say he doesn’t win any but I doubt 6
I gotta agree with Chris here, he isn’t a Hall of famer now but if he plays at this level for several more years and still wins he could for sure get in, the man threw for 5000 yards and didn’t make the pro bow so it’s not like he want balling in Detroit at points
@@lornegreen6755 That's the entire point. This year proves he's not an empty stats QB. He's put up great numbers on a bad team his entire career and all people say is "empty stats" Now he's on a good team with great numbers and he wins SB. All those years of not winning were still great years on Stafford's part
He never led in yards but he's one of the few QBs of the last decade to have a 5,000+ yard season it just so happens that when he got 5,000+ yards, that only 2 of the greatest QBs ever had more yards than him that year (Brees and Brady). This year he had 4,886 yards (3rd in league) and 41 TDs (2nd behind the GOAT Brady) and he's literally 5 pass yards away from getting to the 50,000 pass yard mark which is an elite mark that only 11 other guys have including all time great HOF level players like Brady, Brees, Peyton, Favre, Big Ben, Aaaron Rodgers. Since 2011 (11 seasons), Stafford has had only one season where he played at least a full season (or almost a full season) and failed to get 4000 yards and that is 2018 (3777 yards), every other year in that time span he got 4000+ yards or he only played 8 games due to injury (2019), he's had 9 4000+ yard seasons in the last 11 seasons like come on now.
Having the greatest receiver in that span helped him too (megatron) I mean you could literally lift the ball too him on every play and he will catch most of them!!
This is the easiest era to get passing yards in... The man has a single pro bowl. Who has the fewest pro bowls to make the hof? Terry Bradshaw with 3. He's won 4 super bowls, 2 super bowl mvps, he's on the 1970s team. Stafford needs accolades, the stats won't matter.
Stafford could play himself in there. But he’d have to do this well over several season. Right now, no, definitely definitely NOT. He’s never been top 5 in his position in the nfl ever.
Since Nick wants to say Stafford played poor in the Super Bowl down his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best receivers(Obj, Woods, Higbee) let’s compare their stats in the sb wins. Mahomes with all his weapons= 26-42 286 pass yards 2 tds 2 ints Stafford= 26-40 283 pass yards 3tds 2 ints 🧐 Chiefs rbs went 29 carries for 129 yards Rams rbs went 23 for just 43 yards
IMO Pro Bowls do matter. Because it should indicate whose the best at their position for that year. Now the game does not matter lol. But the pro bowl selections should be factored in. As a starting QB for 12 plus years your stats better be that high lol.
If your top ten in 2 all time categories and won a superbowl you should be in there, he made Calvin a HOFamer also and immediately won a superbowl with a decent team.
Played poorly in the super bowl?!?! The two picks were on his receivers and he led a game winning drive and completed a good percentage of passes with effectively only one option.
Nick is right but don't be disrespectful to Stafford like that. The prol bowls and all pros? Dude was with the Lions his whole career. And saying "played poorly in the SB" isn't true. His second weapon went down early in Odell and Kupp was getting doubled most the time but at the end of the day he was finally able to capitalize off the defense shutting the Bengals down and won. I think he played pretty well all things considered and the fact that he's never won a playoff game until this year.
Stafford was in the MVP race before his middle of the season picks. Next year with Robert woods and cam Akers being healthy he could easily repeat his 40 tds from this year and if he cuts back on the ints it could result in an MVP
This isnt even a discussion, 1x pro bowl 0x all pro is not even close to hall of fame. Just for context, Joe theismann barely ever gets any HOF buzz, he has 2x pro bowl, 1x first team all pro, 1x regular season MVP, 1x OPOY, and 1x superbowl champion Matt stafford has 1x pro bowl, 1x comeback player, 1x superbowl champion Stafford needs at least 3 more pro bowls, and 1 all pro selection to even be considered
FASTEST QB TO EVERY PASSING MILESTONE EVEN THOUGH HE MISSED MAJOR TIME WITH INJURIES 4 DIFFERENT HEAD COACHES 7 DIFFERENT OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS 1 TOP 3 DEFENSE NO RUN GAME EVER RANKED HIGHER THAN 16TH TOP WEAPONS WERE ALWAYS BEST WITH HIM... KENNY GOLLADAY LED THE LEAGUE IN TDS WITH THE LIONS... THIS YEAR HE HAD 0 TDS CALVIN AND COOPER ARE HISTORY MAKERS WITH STAFFORD
@@patricktigner7634 all those caps and he still wont make the hall, name any player in any sport that never made an all pro and only made 1 all star/pro bowl and made the hall sorry u cant
He still has years to play... and if you understand the sport of football, you understand that it's the ultimate team game... he could've been demanded a trade or cried about the situation in Detroit like so many DIVAS DO... but he wanted to lift the Lions from the ashes... you can't help who drafts you... he survived that saga and still won a SuperBowl... he should go to the HOF based upon that and his stats alone!!!
God why are you making me defend John Elway. He was also an MVP, 3 time All pro, 9x pro bowler, and lead the league in passing yards in 93. He was also apart of the all decade team in the 90s which Stafford was not for the 2010’s.
For the first time ever I agree with Nick. But I also agree with Chris. He’s not a HOF’er yet. But he just took a massive step towards being one. If he wins another and keeps stacking up wins and playoff appearances. He would be getting a gold jacket. Even If he just makes it to another SB, his case would be strong enough to argue about it. Just not a first ballot. QB’s are judged differently than other players. QB’s it’s all about playoffs and SB rings. Then stats and wins. Because you can have all the stats you want. But you’re ultimately judged by playoffs and SB’s. Unlike other players. Who are judged on stats. Eli retired with a .500 record and two SB’s. He will most likely get in on the first ballot. Stafford is obviously more “ talented “ than Eli. But talent/ athleticism isn’t all that matters at the QB position. Even though his arm is way stronger than people give him credit for. Brady has been proving that his entire career. Rodgers is clearly more “ talented “. But Brady is way better than Rodgers. Comparing Yards and TD’s to other guys in the HOF from other era’s is cheating and takes away from what the legends did prior. so Everything needs to be looked with a lens that compares him to his era. then see how well he did, compared to other guys in the HOF and what they did compared to the guys they played against. The modern era has changed so much the last twenty years. That these guys under center right now are getting insane numbers extremely quick. I also think they need to change the voting system. change who votes on the panel and how many people are able to get in. Because some of these players become eligible and don’t make it because a QB and other players that have been waiting get in and the same thing happens the next year. So some people end up waiting forever to get the call that are worthy of the jacket and get snubbed. All the proof we need to know that the voting needs to change is by looking at T.O. He would have without a doubt been a first ballot and had to wait. Which is ridiculous when you look at his achievements.
I usually agree w/ Broussard (and I do today also) and I rarely agree w/ Nick but he is right on this one. I initially thought this put him over the top for the HOF but Nick made a solid case.
The problem with Stafford is that all those years in Detroit might cost him his ballot, I'm sorry but if you put any other HOF QB under the same circumstances they would struggle as well
What's funny is that for the idiots who say that he isn't a Hall of Famer, for all of his wasted time in Detroit, he did put Calvin Johnson into the Hall of Fame. That's quite the accomplishment for someone who's never led the league in any major category.
Mahomes is a two time All pro, MVP, offensive player of the year, Super Bowl MVP/Champion, NFL leader in touchdown passes in 2018, And a 4 time pro bowler. What are you comparing exactly?
I agree Stanford ain’t HOF but why Nick hating on bro so bad?? Saying he played horrible in the Super Bowl bro he played better than Mahomes super bowl win 2 years ago without OBJ or his 2 best tight ends in Highbee and Blanchen
Bruh how can he say he played bad?? He had like same amount of INT as Mahommes in his super bowl ring and Stafford had 3 tds including the game winning drive
@@joesanthosh5315 and let's be fair not all interceptions are equal. The tipped pass wasnt really his fault and the long throw was on 3rd and long so it was virtually a punt.
I hate this topic. Stafford has the game of his life and today people are debating Hall of Fame... Why?! He's not retired. Talk about HoF then. Today should have been the day to talk about his incredible achievement this year, exorcising the demons of playing on the Lions and winning the SB in a dramatic game winning touchdown drive.
Only way Matt Stafford get it is if he plays another 7 to 10 years, he’s got so much ground to make up. Compare him to the greats of his era. And ask your self has he ever really been Top 3 among them. Ben Rothlisberger: 2 Super Bowls, 6 Pro Bowls, 2x League Passing Leader, OROY Eli Manning: 2x Super Bowl MVP, 4x Pro Bowl Phillip Rivers: 8x Pro Bowl, led the league in yards, touchdowns, passer rating and completion percentage Matt Ryan: MVP, All-Pro, OROY, 6x Pro Bowl, led the league in passer rating, and completion percentage. Drew Brees: Super Bowl MVP, 2x OPOY, 5x All- Pro, 13x Pro Bowl, owned every QB record until Brady took them Aaron Rodgers: 4x MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 5x All - Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, 4x Passer Rating Leader, 2x Touchdown Leader, All Decade Team Peyton Manning: 5x MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 10x All - Pro, 14x Pro Bowl, 2x or more in every passing category and All Decade Tom Brady: 5x Super Bowl MVP, 3x MVP, 6x All Pro, 15x Pro Bowl, 2x All - Decade He’s gonna need four more Pro Bowls, an All-Pro, a league MVP and a Super Bowl MVP.
Patrick Mahomes Superbowl win stats: 26/42 286 yds 2 TD 2 Int (1 rushing TD) Matthew Stafford: 26/40 283 yds 3 TD 2 Int According to Nick Stafford had a poor game? I can only guess what he said about Mahomes. Where you land matters and Stafford landed on a dumpster fire that is Detroit, he's proved it in just one season.
Matt Stafford HOFer is probably the worst case of recency bias I've ever seen. Dude hasn't done anything for a HOF resume before this year. Let's see at least five more good years and we'll talk.
5000 yards, all time comeback record, leads league in game winning drives since his debut, holds every single passing record in Lions franchise history. He never got credit because of where he played and idiots like you have been downplaying his success and keep moving the goal posts every time he succeeds. As a life long lions fan dragging this inept franchise into 3 playoff berths was a gargantuan effort and is worthy of recognition even tho he never won here.
You have to take in account situation though. No QB would ever have succeeded in Detriot during those years. The first year he got to a good team he won the SB. Not too mention all of his statistical accomplishments. He's gonna be top 5 all time in yards and TDs when he retires. There's a case. And he looks like he has many years left to go.
That's the same guy who said Patrick Mahomes is the greatest player ever after his 1st season 🤣 Said lebron was better than Jordan and said Bo Jackson is overrated 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
All you guys listed the stuff about stafford, you didn’t listen. Chris said 4 more years of this production and achievements, he didn’t say he can get in if he retires now
You could make a compelling argument that Stafford will retire with a better resume than Rivers, and Rivers is going to get in. Heck, the only thing Stafford won’t have Eli soundly beaten in is rings and interceptions.
pro bowls... Stafford has one pro bowl. Philip has 8. Manning also has 4 with 2 super bowl mvps. You can check hof probability on nfl reference. Stafford's has went up 10 points since the superbowl but is still below cam newton. You think Cam will make it??
Nick the biggest hater in sports. Man is acting like Stafford been with the Rams his entire career. Dude drug the Lions to the playoffs multiple times while being there 12 years. Enduring so much punishment from a terrible franchise then winning a superbowl in his first year on a good team shows he was being held back.
If Stafford gets to 6 or 7 playoff wins and maybe another pro bowl or 2 with McVay, yeah for sure. His talent is elite and hof worthy. I'm just not sure he's consistent enough, season to season, to pull it off this late into his career.
Let's not ever talk about the team that was around Stafford for 13 years....media needs to be better & stop putting stuff like this on athletes, does it matter? & he still has time. The disrespect is too real
Stafford isn’t a HOF Qb.. yet. Nick is omitting the fact Stafford was in NFL purgatory all these years in Detroit. His first year out of there w a solid cast around him and he wins a ring. I think saying he isn’t a HOFer coming off a major year is a bit premature.
Arm punts should be a stat, because that's what his first pick was. Not a HoFer btw, but only one of those picks was bad, and really wasn't that bad because it only led to 3 points.
Nick difference between stafford and Ryan is stafford lead his team with a go ahead TD and his defense got the stop to win a super bowl meanwhile matty water and his defense folded.
The same people trying to argue Matthew Stafford with Golden Tate, Calvin Johnson, and now Kupp. Would never argue Eli Manning and his receivers after. And they not arguing that "A WASHED UP" ELI Manning had Odell Beckham looking like the top WR in the NFL over Julio Jones, Michael Thomas and such. At the same time, Stafford threw for a 5,000 yard season. I did say the Giants should trade for him. And he still has years left. That being said, it isn't like he's retired so he has time. He was a number 1 overall pick. So not like it is unexpected. And this lesson for the Lions that Goff might not be the wrong guy. And they just haven't built a QB friendly roster. Although Stafford seems a better fit for the Rams than Goff. Also something that should work out well for Watson, should he ever get all that stuff sorted out. Watson on the Rams is probably a top team as well.
How can you make the Hall if you were never ONCE All-Pro? I assumed that surely Stafford had been All-Pro multiple times because everyone has been saying now he’s a Hall of Famer. But not once??? Please.
Stafford has one pro bowl as an alternate There’s no way he’s better than Matt Ryan he’s just not as consistent of a quarterback Ryan is a Hall of Famer no matter all the hate that he gets from media. His own team never supported him. No one bought his jersey for over 15 years The guy has broken over 15 passing NFL records , As a rookie of the year Award, MVP and offensive player of the year award
Four more years of high caliber play, at least play well in another SB and then he's probably in. Being on the Rams will get his winning percentage good enough and people will more and more blame the losing seasons on being in Detroit for so long.
Pro bowls is such a weak excuse for holding people out of the Hall. It's a popularity contest. Stafford threw for 5000 yards and 40+ TDs in 2011 which were both top 3 in the league and didn't make the pro bowl. Get outta here with the pro bowls as an "important" stat.
Ryan has an mvp, way better numbers and took a sorrier team to the Super Bowl. Any of the top ten qbs in the league would have won with this rams team this year
@@TheDuelingBeard wrong first off the falcons weren’t sorry that year finally had a defense always had plenty of weapons and were up 28- 3 on their opponent and choked. Ryan would have choked against Brady again in the playoffs where as stafford made the throws to stifle the Bucs comeback. Also woods got hurt this year and the running backs got hurt. In the super bowl obj went down and they had no running game and 1 and half recievers down by a td a lot of guys including Matt Ryan would have succumb to the pressure not stafford
I don't know if he should be a Hall Famer or not but if he's not then neither should Eli Manning. Eli had two unbelievable playoff runs but besides that he was a rather pedestrian slightly above-average quarterback
It does seem like all Quaterback get in now. There are exception in the current era like Aaron Rodger,Brady and such. But Marino, Elway, Montana, ect.... seems like a league above most hall of fame quarterback of todays era even when the numbers do not show it
Stafford isn't a HOF now, but he could get there..Nick talking about "the threshold isn't 'good'", dude Eli is as mid a QB as they get and he'll likely be first ballot..
Stanford has never been a top 5 QB in all his years playing. Lets just look at the last decade: Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, Ben. These guys are locked.
I think the best question about this topic is , What would give Stafford a better chance another Super Bowl win or a MVP. Then how many ? Either way it does feel like he needs to more but he is talented and tough enough that it could happen. He throws that INT that can basically lose a game but there have been enough HoF QB's that has been the case for as well.
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Nick made good points here. But Stafford can definitely change the trajectory of his career going forward to end his career. Maybe when he's done he could earn enough accolades for it to matter
he definitely could by the end
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Nick is right. We gotta stop trying to put every above average player in the HoF when literal legends don’t get in sometimes
Stafford and Ryan are tough because they are arguably the two best QBs drafted since Aaron Rodgers in 2005 until Patrick Mahomes in 2017 (Russell Wilson may be the best and Andrew Luck's career and Cam's peak were too short). That's 11 draft classes where those two are at least top 3. However, they are surrounded by greatness- Peyton, Brady, Brees, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Rodgers on one side, and it looks like Mahomes, Watson, Lamar, Allen, Burrow and Herbert on the other. They were the best in desert of talent. They probably don't get in, but it's close.
Best comment on this video, well done brother!
Everything is on point brother! Except Brady is exempt from that last he’s above then the rest of the greatness class and ur right it’s tough Stafford or Ryan idk if they belong with them
Stafford gets in easily. He has absurd numbers and won a superbowl. He would've made it even before this season. The hof isnt what people think it is. It should be named hall of very good
Matt Ryan hasn't done anything but make it to a Superbowl and collapse, same as Cam Newton
@@mrmillennium2697 except for ryan has way better numbers. I'm not saying ryan and stafford are top 10 all time but go look at guys in the hall of fame lol. We have qbs with more ints than tds currently in. Lol ya tittle has like 200 touchdowns and 220 interceptions and was a first ballot.
Stafford took a massive step towards Canton. Nick bringing up the Pro Bowl selections while forgetting Stafford has been snubbed multiple times for the PB, including a year where he threw for 5,000 YARDS! I think Broussard brought up OBJ and Kupp quite well.
When Stafford's career is over, he will likely be top 5 in most major passing categories, and consider that he spent over a decade with a bad organization (while not absolving him of all failures), him putting up consistent production and a few more playoff wins, he's getting in. Another Lombardi, it's a lock.
Foh if it took Patrick Willis to the second ballot Stafford aint close
@@Cediedash22 You're changing the argument though. You're saying "I think he deserved to make it these years, despite bad records and no playoff success, and so these years where he didn't make it to the pro bowl should count as years where he did" and that's just not the truth. The fact of the matter is, Matt Stafford is the epitome of a QB who put up good stats for bad teams. Up until this year, where he had an EXCELLENT team around him, Stafford was the picture of a statpadder. He didn't win games, he put up empty numbers, and those shouldn't get you into the hall of Fame
@@zeusonolympus123 Those 7 years he was a numerous pro bowler and all pro, so if it's only about longevity, then Kurt Warner shouldn't be in. They keep doing this and that's why Qbs don't last because in reality they give em the most leeway
Stafford should not get into the HOF even if he probably will. Stafford didn’t have a single playoff win before this year. As well as Stafford played during the postseason he also played on a stack team that 5-10 other QB’s would’ve won a Super Bowl with as well.
@@Cediedash22 Stafford will have had a much longer career and has a superbowl victory unlike Willis.
Stafford has more TD passes in 1 Super Bowl than Mahomes in 2. And Mahomes has double the picks 2-4 ratio. Let that sink in.
@Scott Summers I think Stafford deserve this MVP for degree of difficulty. Losing so many weapons.
@Scott Summers I’ll agree to that. They were sending 3 people so that twist start being wide open on the back side. He did take over the game. But I just feel Jared don’t win us that game. With everything that happened Matt was the difference maker IMO.
@@TheAndre2crump Apples and oranges dude lol Mahomes SBs were against teams with amazing defenses... in 2 games against the Bengals this year Mahomes had 7 TD passes😅 And Mahomes just completed his 4th season... and is #12 ALL TIME career playoff TD passes... You should probably pick somebody else to compare Stafford to... let THAT sink in for a moment😅
@@ForsakenWar and Stafford undefeated with the Rams in playoffs🤷🏾♂️ , Bucs defense was not amazing. Y’all literally torched them earlier that year. Niners I will give you but not Bucs. Also in two games vs bengals he has 0 wins this year. Blowing double digit leads so don’t say nun bout them. All this to say I’m not saying Matt better than Pat by no means. Just saying Matt had a great Super Bowl. And is a big time player. I will argue he more big time than Aaron Rodgers though not Pat.
Stafford is absolutely a Hall Of Famer. Just look at that mans numbers and the GAME WINNING DRIVE at the biggest game. How is this even a debate?
Facts brah ppl are delusional and realize that what he was doin with less in Detroit and wat he does with more in LA.
So that means Matt Ryan belongs in the Hall
@@AsTro35 yes
I think the reason why this is a debate is because when you think of a Hall of Famer it’s ppl that transcended the game and dominated at their position consistently for multiple years (i.e. considered the best at their position or at least top 3). Aaron Donald is a perfect example 7 years 7 straight All-Pro, Defensive MVP awards, Pro Bowl selections, Now a Super Bowl Champion etc. Now that’s dominance and didn’t need 12 plus years to do it. You can’t say the same for Stafford. Winning the Super Bowl is a big step but he gotta show out for the remainder of his time with LA.
And he's done like 12 No look passes in the last 2 years but no one bats an eye he's also got a Cannon of an arm like Mahomes and he's been put to the wayside because he's been on Detroit lions a laughing stock team for so many years.
If we’re being realistic, staff had some crazy years that were pro bowl worthy at least. This very well could’ve been his Super Bowl mvp too. It’s not a coincidence his first time on a good team ended up in a successful playoff. He’s far from done too in his career
But is he tp 5 in his OWN generation?🤔
@@sholovesholove4620 I hear you, but everyone who would round out the top 5 had a better situation to work around than Stafford. Example being give Stafford Seattle with BeastMode in the back and that secondary, he would light every team up so as much as we hold Russell,Brady,Rodgers etc in high regard I think Stafford would be just as productive those guys if he landed in those organization… no he’s not getting 6 Super Bowls with NE but you get my drift
Lol... not his first good team.
@Lohkyn I mean obviously we don’t know that, but what I do know is Stafford isn’t as great a QB as Brady so that’s why Im assuming he doesn’t get 6. That’s not to say he doesn’t win any but I doubt 6
I gotta agree with Chris here, he isn’t a Hall of famer now but if he plays at this level for several more years and still wins he could for sure get in, the man threw for 5000 yards and didn’t make the pro bow so it’s not like he want balling in Detroit at points
Empty stats
@@lornegreen6755 no empty stats is dak Prescott
@Lorne Green 4800 yards and 41 TD on SuperBowl championship team and all you say is empty stats?
@@coreyczech you picked one year out of 14, what about the last 13
@@lornegreen6755 That's the entire point. This year proves he's not an empty stats QB. He's put up great numbers on a bad team his entire career and all people say is "empty stats" Now he's on a good team with great numbers and he wins SB. All those years of not winning were still great years on Stafford's part
He never led in yards but he's one of the few QBs of the last decade to have a 5,000+ yard season it just so happens that when he got 5,000+ yards, that only 2 of the greatest QBs ever had more yards than him that year (Brees and Brady). This year he had 4,886 yards (3rd in league) and 41 TDs (2nd behind the GOAT Brady) and he's literally 5 pass yards away from getting to the 50,000 pass yard mark which is an elite mark that only 11 other guys have including all time great HOF level players like Brady, Brees, Peyton, Favre, Big Ben, Aaaron Rodgers.
Since 2011 (11 seasons), Stafford has had only one season where he played at least a full season (or almost a full season) and failed to get 4000 yards and that is 2018 (3777 yards), every other year in that time span he got 4000+ yards or he only played 8 games due to injury (2019), he's had 9 4000+ yard seasons in the last 11 seasons like come on now.
Manning has one, but you have to have all pros and pro bowls to even qualify for the hall, so no all pro nods... he can't even be considered!!
Having the greatest receiver in that span helped him too (megatron) I mean you could literally lift the ball too him on every play and he will catch most of them!!
Stat pad era.
This is the easiest era to get passing yards in... The man has a single pro bowl. Who has the fewest pro bowls to make the hof? Terry Bradshaw with 3. He's won 4 super bowls, 2 super bowl mvps, he's on the 1970s team. Stafford needs accolades, the stats won't matter.
Nick is 1000% right! Stafford isnt even close at the moment in my eyes.
He's close lol
The 'haaaaaa!!!' from Wildes and Jenna's laughter lol
Stafford played very smart constantly looking for cooper (and Odell) and actually making good throws to him so credit to him
Eli should not get into the hall either
Stafford could play himself in there. But he’d have to do this well over several season. Right now, no, definitely definitely NOT. He’s never been top 5 in his position in the nfl ever.
If the playoffs matter like we say they do, he was a top 5 qb this year. But besides that I agree
Since Nick wants to say Stafford played poor in the Super Bowl down his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best receivers(Obj, Woods, Higbee) let’s compare their stats in the sb wins. Mahomes with all his weapons= 26-42 286 pass yards 2 tds 2 ints
Stafford= 26-40 283 pass yards 3tds 2 ints 🧐
Chiefs rbs went 29 carries for 129 yards
Rams rbs went 23 for just 43 yards
I legit can't wait to see how mad Nick gets when Eli Manning is a first ballot HOF but I do agree that Stafford in the HOF right now is crazy talk
That's the argument with Eli manning too he was never considered Top 5 QB in his career but yet people will say yes because he won 2 superbowls
He’s definitely in. Multiple 40 TD pass seasons. 5K passing season. 50k career pass yards. Pro Bowls mean nothing. Maybe not 1st ballot, but he’s in.
IMO Pro Bowls do matter. Because it should indicate whose the best at their position for that year. Now the game does not matter lol. But the pro bowl selections should be factored in. As a starting QB for 12 plus years your stats better be that high lol.
@@ogbigblunts7280 if the players voted then there would be a debate, but fans vote, and they only vote on big names, not actual performance.
Ohhh okay, so that makes Nick Foles a hall of famer lmao
@@choc0077 lmao just say you don’t know football and carry on with your day
That’s not enough lol
Wildes said Stafford doesn’t win .. but Eli manning will be I. Hall of fame with 117-117 record 😂😂
He has 2 rings and 2 SB MVPs and beat Brady both times. And he still might not get in. But he's over stafford rn
Eli may not get in.
Stafford has a losing career record so.
If your top ten in 2 all time categories and won a superbowl you should be in there, he made Calvin a HOFamer also and immediately won a superbowl with a decent team.
If he plays until he's 40 (7 more years) and is consistently a top 5 qb then yes. As of right now, he's not even in the hall of very good......
okay packers fan
@@infernodotdash2203 My assessment has nothing to do with being a Packers fan. It's called having standards to make the HOF.
Facts bro. People think ring=greatness.
Played poorly in the super bowl?!?! The two picks were on his receivers and he led a game winning drive and completed a good percentage of passes with effectively only one option.
Nick is right but don't be disrespectful to Stafford like that. The prol bowls and all pros? Dude was with the Lions his whole career. And saying "played poorly in the SB" isn't true. His second weapon went down early in Odell and Kupp was getting doubled most the time but at the end of the day he was finally able to capitalize off the defense shutting the Bengals down and won. I think he played pretty well all things considered and the fact that he's never won a playoff game until this year.
ion think he was bein disrespectful, that’s jus who he is (over dramatic)
Stafford was in the MVP race before his middle of the season picks. Next year with Robert woods and cam Akers being healthy he could easily repeat his 40 tds from this year and if he cuts back on the ints it could result in an MVP
This isnt even a discussion, 1x pro bowl 0x all pro is not even close to hall of fame.
Just for context,
Joe theismann barely ever gets any HOF buzz,
he has 2x pro bowl, 1x first team all pro, 1x regular season MVP, 1x OPOY, and 1x superbowl champion
Matt stafford has 1x pro bowl, 1x comeback player, 1x superbowl champion
Stafford needs at least 3 more pro bowls, and 1 all pro selection to even be considered
FASTEST QB TO EVERY PASSING MILESTONE EVEN THOUGH HE MISSED MAJOR TIME WITH INJURIES
4 DIFFERENT HEAD COACHES
7 DIFFERENT OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS
1 TOP 3 DEFENSE
NO RUN GAME EVER RANKED HIGHER THAN 16TH
TOP WEAPONS WERE ALWAYS BEST WITH HIM...
KENNY GOLLADAY LED THE LEAGUE IN TDS WITH THE LIONS... THIS YEAR HE HAD 0 TDS
CALVIN AND COOPER ARE HISTORY MAKERS WITH STAFFORD
@@patricktigner7634 all those caps and he still wont make the hall, name any player in any sport that never made an all pro and only made 1 all star/pro bowl and made the hall
sorry u cant
He still has years to play... and if you understand the sport of football, you understand that it's the ultimate team game... he could've been demanded a trade or cried about the situation in Detroit like so many DIVAS DO... but he wanted to lift the Lions from the ashes... you can't help who drafts you... he survived that saga and still won a SuperBowl... he should go to the HOF based upon that and his stats alone!!!
Stafford 🤝 Flacco
In 5 Super Bowls John Elway had 3 passing touchdowns and 8 interceptions
Exactly!!!
God why are you making me defend John Elway. He was also an MVP, 3 time All pro, 9x pro bowler, and lead the league in passing yards in 93. He was also apart of the all decade team in the 90s which Stafford was not for the 2010’s.
For the first time ever I agree with Nick. But I also agree with Chris. He’s not a HOF’er yet. But he just took a massive step towards being one. If he wins another and keeps stacking up wins and playoff appearances. He would be getting a gold jacket. Even If he just makes it to another SB, his case would be strong enough to argue about it. Just not a first ballot. QB’s are judged differently than other players. QB’s it’s all about playoffs and SB rings. Then stats and wins. Because you can have all the stats you want. But you’re ultimately judged by playoffs and SB’s. Unlike other players. Who are judged on stats.
Eli retired with a .500 record and two SB’s. He will most likely get in on the first ballot. Stafford is obviously more “ talented “ than Eli. But talent/ athleticism isn’t all that matters at the QB position. Even though his arm is way stronger than people give him credit for. Brady has been proving that his entire career. Rodgers is clearly more “ talented “. But Brady is way better than Rodgers. Comparing Yards and TD’s to other guys in the HOF from other era’s is cheating and takes away from what the legends did prior. so Everything needs to be looked with a lens that compares him to his era. then see how well he did, compared to other guys in the HOF and what they did compared to the guys they played against. The modern era has changed so much the last twenty years. That these guys under center right now are getting insane numbers extremely quick. I also think they need to change the voting system. change who votes on the panel and how many people are able to get in. Because some of these players become eligible and don’t make it because a QB and other players that have been waiting get in and the same thing happens the next year. So some people end up waiting forever to get the call that are worthy of the jacket and get snubbed. All the proof we need to know that the voting needs to change is by looking at T.O. He would have without a doubt been a first ballot and had to wait. Which is ridiculous when you look at his achievements.
Well said!!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I usually agree w/ Broussard (and I do today also) and I rarely agree w/ Nick but he is right on this one.
I initially thought this put him over the top for the HOF but Nick made a solid case.
The problem with Stafford is that all those years in Detroit might cost him his ballot, I'm sorry but if you put any other HOF QB under the same circumstances they would struggle as well
@@jdelgado216 Drew Brees with the Saints. Look at the Saints organization pre Brees. At that point Detroit had been to and won more playoff games.
@@jdelgado216 He couldn't make more than one pro bowl?
like how Nick had completely flipped on stafford and now he loves him
What's funny is that for the idiots who say that he isn't a Hall of Famer, for all of his wasted time in Detroit, he did put Calvin Johnson into the Hall of Fame. That's quite the accomplishment for someone who's never led the league in any major category.
Calvin would have made the Hall with any QB, dude was the most physically dominant WR of all time.
Cooper Kupp has a historic receiving year and doesn't even come close to nfl mvp. Something wrong there
Nick just saying "don't care" when Boussard was giving great stats shows he lost this debate. But he still says Mahomes is a hof rn 🤣🤣🤣
Mahomes is a two time All pro, MVP, offensive player of the year, Super Bowl MVP/Champion, NFL leader in touchdown passes in 2018, And a 4 time pro bowler.
What are you comparing exactly?
man has one pro bowl and broussard is bringing up stats when they are heavily inflated in this era. Nick was right in every facet of the argument.
I agree Stanford ain’t HOF but why Nick hating on bro so bad?? Saying he played horrible in the Super Bowl bro he played better than Mahomes super bowl win 2 years ago without OBJ or his 2 best tight ends in Highbee and Blanchen
Stafford is a lock but I think Nick gets upset that the hall of fame is actually the hall of good and it bothers him
Bruh how can he say he played bad?? He had like same amount of INT as Mahommes in his super bowl ring and Stafford had 3 tds including the game winning drive
@@joesanthosh5315 and let's be fair not all interceptions are equal. The tipped pass wasnt really his fault and the long throw was on 3rd and long so it was virtually a punt.
I’m not sure he’s hating at all
@@brendondowdy5651 Stafford has only had 3 good seasons in a 13 year career.
It is crazy the Hof is kinda easy to get into when its Qb’s like Jim Plunkett with 2 rings thats not in the Hof….Smh
Stafford was the QB that threw to Megatron and Megatron has been inducted. YES! Matt Stafford should be inducted into the Pro Football Hall Of Fame.
Not quite there for me, but he needs to rack up some more awards, longevity will do that probably 4-5 more years and he should qualify as a HOFer
If rivers & Eli get In then Stafford has to get in
No kidding. Eli was barely above average and was gifted two SBs with mediocre teams that got hot in January.
Nick Logic - “1 Super Bowl don’t mean sh**”
Also Nick - “Mahomes choking again doesn’t mean anything. He’s the greatest of all time”
I hate this topic. Stafford has the game of his life and today people are debating Hall of Fame... Why?! He's not retired. Talk about HoF then. Today should have been the day to talk about his incredible achievement this year, exorcising the demons of playing on the Lions and winning the SB in a dramatic game winning touchdown drive.
Only way Matt Stafford get it is if he plays another 7 to 10 years, he’s got so much ground to make up. Compare him to the greats of his era. And ask your self has he ever really been Top 3 among them.
Ben Rothlisberger: 2 Super Bowls, 6 Pro Bowls, 2x League Passing Leader, OROY
Eli Manning: 2x Super Bowl MVP, 4x Pro Bowl
Phillip Rivers: 8x Pro Bowl, led the league in yards, touchdowns, passer rating and completion percentage
Matt Ryan: MVP, All-Pro, OROY, 6x Pro Bowl, led the league in passer rating, and completion percentage.
Drew Brees: Super Bowl MVP, 2x OPOY, 5x All- Pro, 13x Pro Bowl, owned every QB record until Brady took them
Aaron Rodgers: 4x MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 5x All - Pro, 10x Pro Bowl, 4x Passer Rating Leader, 2x Touchdown Leader, All Decade Team
Peyton Manning: 5x MVP, Super Bowl MVP, 10x All - Pro, 14x Pro Bowl, 2x or more in every passing category and All Decade
Tom Brady: 5x Super Bowl MVP, 3x MVP, 6x All Pro, 15x Pro Bowl, 2x All - Decade
He’s gonna need four more Pro Bowls, an All-Pro, a league MVP and a Super Bowl MVP.
Nick is 100% right. Stafford is not a Hall of Famer. Not by a mile. I don't care if he wins another Super Bowl he's not a Hall of Famer.
Patrick Mahomes Superbowl win stats: 26/42 286 yds 2 TD 2 Int (1 rushing TD)
Matthew Stafford: 26/40 283 yds 3 TD 2 Int
According to Nick Stafford had a poor game? I can only guess what he said about Mahomes. Where you land matters and Stafford landed on a dumpster fire that is Detroit, he's proved it in just one season.
Why are you comparing Mahomes to Stafford? Mahomes has accomplished more as a 4 year starter than Stanford’s long carrier. Just crazy talk
@@MHerreraMusic I'm comparing their Superbowl wins, as they both have 1 each. And it's to show Nick Wright's hypocrisy with his takes.
Matt Stafford HOFer is probably the worst case of recency bias I've ever seen. Dude hasn't done anything for a HOF resume before this year. Let's see at least five more good years and we'll talk.
5000 yards, all time comeback record, leads league in game winning drives since his debut, holds every single passing record in Lions franchise history. He never got credit because of where he played and idiots like you have been downplaying his success and keep moving the goal posts every time he succeeds. As a life long lions fan dragging this inept franchise into 3 playoff berths was a gargantuan effort and is worthy of recognition even tho he never won here.
You have to take in account situation though. No QB would ever have succeeded in Detriot during those years. The first year he got to a good team he won the SB. Not too mention all of his statistical accomplishments. He's gonna be top 5 all time in yards and TDs when he retires. There's a case. And he looks like he has many years left to go.
none of them lol and if they think so look at Jared Goff went from the rams to the lions and looked absolutely lost.
@@evilkingster He also made the super bowl with the rams...Not to mention the rams added even more pieces since goff was on the team.
That's the same guy who said Patrick Mahomes is the greatest player ever after his 1st season 🤣 Said lebron was better than Jordan and said Bo Jackson is overrated 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Stafford is the GOAT
Now this guy can’t get stafford out of his throat
All you guys listed the stuff about stafford, you didn’t listen. Chris said 4 more years of this production and achievements, he didn’t say he can get in if he retires now
You could make a compelling argument that Stafford will retire with a better resume than Rivers, and Rivers is going to get in. Heck, the only thing Stafford won’t have Eli soundly beaten in is rings and interceptions.
pro bowls... Stafford has one pro bowl. Philip has 8. Manning also has 4 with 2 super bowl mvps. You can check hof probability on nfl reference. Stafford's has went up 10 points since the superbowl but is still below cam newton. You think Cam will make it??
He's getting in on stats......period. There are so many better QB's but he is in.
Thank you Nick for speaking the truth.
Talking heads care more about the idea Stafford being a HOF'er than Stafford does.
Pro Bowl is a joke its a popularly contest
Nick reverted back to his days as the high school bully picking on Broussard lmao
IF you say Aaron Rogers is a HOF QB, then so is Matthew Stafford.
Devin Hester should've been a first ballot hall of famed for his kick and punt returning.
I don’t usually agree with Nick but he got it 100% right
Nick the biggest hater in sports. Man is acting like Stafford been with the Rams his entire career. Dude drug the Lions to the playoffs multiple times while being there 12 years. Enduring so much punishment from a terrible franchise then winning a superbowl in his first year on a good team shows he was being held back.
Wow I actually agree with him for the first time since he started on the network
If Stafford gets to 6 or 7 playoff wins and maybe another pro bowl or 2 with McVay, yeah for sure. His talent is elite and hof worthy. I'm just not sure he's consistent enough, season to season, to pull it off this late into his career.
Nick slaughtered Chris in this, he had no response to that Ryan graphic lol
Let's not ever talk about the team that was around Stafford for 13 years....media needs to be better & stop putting stuff like this on athletes, does it matter? & he still has time. The disrespect is too real
Stafford isn’t a HOF Qb.. yet. Nick is omitting the fact Stafford was in NFL purgatory all these years in Detroit. His first year out of there w a solid cast around him and he wins a ring. I think saying he isn’t a HOFer coming off a major year is a bit premature.
He's still has a chance now that he is on a good team
Don’t wanna hear it! Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson still balled out with those same sorry Lions
I agree with Nick for once!
Stafford doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF. Stop it. 1 Pro Bowl, no MVPs and didn’t win the SB MVP in a QB obsessed league.
Arm punts should be a stat, because that's what his first pick was.
Not a HoFer btw, but only one of those picks was bad, and really wasn't that bad because it only led to 3 points.
Nick difference between stafford and Ryan is stafford lead his team with a go ahead TD and his defense got the stop to win a super bowl meanwhile matty water and his defense folded.
I am a rams fan.... he is not a hall of fammer
No way. Matt Stafford is not a HOFer. But he's really good
Don't even look at his stats, look at Calvin Johnson and Cooper Kupp's careers and tell me Stafford isn't a Hall of famer
Pretty sure Stafford has led the league in passing yards 4 times get your facts straight
Nope. Just looked. His name never appears in the list as season leader.
The same people trying to argue Matthew Stafford with Golden Tate, Calvin Johnson, and now Kupp. Would never argue Eli Manning and his receivers after. And they not arguing that "A WASHED UP" ELI Manning had Odell Beckham looking like the top WR in the NFL over Julio Jones, Michael Thomas and such.
At the same time, Stafford threw for a 5,000 yard season. I did say the Giants should trade for him. And he still has years left. That being said, it isn't like he's retired so he has time. He was a number 1 overall pick. So not like it is unexpected. And this lesson for the Lions that Goff might not be the wrong guy. And they just haven't built a QB friendly roster. Although Stafford seems a better fit for the Rams than Goff. Also something that should work out well for Watson, should he ever get all that stuff sorted out. Watson on the Rams is probably a top team as well.
How can you make the Hall if you were never ONCE All-Pro? I assumed that surely Stafford had been All-Pro multiple times because everyone has been saying now he’s a Hall of Famer. But not once??? Please.
Stafford has one pro bowl as an alternate
There’s no way he’s better than Matt Ryan he’s just not as consistent of a quarterback
Ryan is a Hall of Famer no matter all the hate that he gets from media. His own team never supported him. No one bought his jersey for over 15 years
The guy has broken over 15 passing NFL records , As a rookie of the year Award, MVP and offensive player of the year award
He’s right 4-5 years of more winning maybe 1 more super bowl he’s in.
Have to agree with Nick on this one. Do agree with Broussard that this is a big step but not quite yet.
Four more years of high caliber play, at least play well in another SB and then he's probably in. Being on the Rams will get his winning percentage good enough and people will more and more blame the losing seasons on being in Detroit for so long.
Pro bowls is such a weak excuse for holding people out of the Hall. It's a popularity contest. Stafford threw for 5000 yards and 40+ TDs in 2011 which were both top 3 in the league and didn't make the pro bowl. Get outta here with the pro bowls as an "important" stat.
Matt Ryan should be a Hall of Famer
His rating is only 91, which is too low.
Stafford is what NFL thought Aaron Rodgers would be. Matt is a lock 1st ballot since he entered the super bowl
Bro are you saying that Stafford had a better career than Rodgers? I am saying this as a Rams fan btw.
Stafford is a hall of famer. Stafford has always been one the best he just been on a bad team. The rebuttal to Matt Ryan is simple no super bowl
Ryan has an mvp, way better numbers and took a sorrier team to the Super Bowl. Any of the top ten qbs in the league would have won with this rams team this year
@@TheDuelingBeard wrong first off the falcons weren’t sorry that year finally had a defense always had plenty of weapons and were up 28- 3 on their opponent and choked. Ryan would have choked against Brady again in the playoffs where as stafford made the throws to stifle the Bucs comeback. Also woods got hurt this year and the running backs got hurt. In the super bowl obj went down and they had no running game and 1 and half recievers down by a td a lot of guys including Matt Ryan would have succumb to the pressure not stafford
@@robindevily9182 it was a ok defense not a good one also Matt Ryan had one of the greatest qb seasons ever.
@@TheDuelingBeard you can’t prove that. But since we are making claims that can’t be proven any top ten qb would have won with a 28-3 lead
@@flqff7067 the defense was top half of the league and held the Patriots to 3 points for most of the game
I don't know if he should be a Hall Famer or not but if he's not then neither should Eli Manning. Eli had two unbelievable playoff runs but besides that he was a rather pedestrian slightly above-average quarterback
Funny how Reggie Wayne always gets dismissed. Torry Holt is mentioned before him always. Smh.
He's not a Hall-of-Famer if he retires today but he's still got a lot of football left.
It does seem like all Quaterback get in now. There are exception in the current era like Aaron Rodger,Brady and such. But Marino, Elway, Montana, ect.... seems like a league above most hall of fame quarterback of todays era even when the numbers do not show it
It's a little rich coming from a guy who had Mahomes fitted for a gold jacket after three seasons.
Nick is starting to look suspiciously like JP from grandmas boy with that hair cut
Stafford isn't a HOF now, but he could get there..Nick talking about "the threshold isn't 'good'", dude Eli is as mid a QB as they get and he'll likely be first ballot..
Nick on NFL is like Lebron picking Westbrook to win Finals
Stanford has never been a top 5 QB in all his years playing. Lets just look at the last decade: Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson, Ben. These guys are locked.
Nick was on fire today 🤣🤣
Broussard is right.
I think the best question about this topic is , What would give Stafford a better chance another Super Bowl win or a MVP. Then how many ? Either way it does feel like he needs to more but he is talented and tough enough that it could happen. He throws that INT that can basically lose a game but there have been enough HoF QB's that has been the case for as well.
MVP
Why do people act like the hall of fame is the 20 greatest players ever lol. Its slowly turned into the hall of good but people are in denial
Matt Is Not that Good.. U see Next Year..