I was in my dorm room in ATL looking out at the falcons stadium with all the bros screaming “PARADE TOMORROW NO CLASS” at halftime. When Edelman made that catch, the silence was the one screaming. Plus, in that Rams Super Bowl EVERYONE knew Edelman was their only game plan and they still couldn’t stop him. Hats off to an amazing career!
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That's a good point you make at the end! He really was the game plan in that last SB, yet he made them look like a college defense with the manner he carved them up.
Not a Pats fan but Edelman was such a great clutch player when it really mattered. It was great watching him play except for when he/they were playing my team! Haha Incredible career and the heart of a lion.
I think it’s disrespectful how when a player who retires automatically they start saying how he’s not in the hall of fame or not a top ten player this instead of celebrating they career
Andre Johnson should be a HOF 5 All Pro appearances 2x Receiving Yard leader 2x Reception leader His best QB was Matt Schaub who isn’t better than Tom Brady or even Deshaun Watson
@@dayriassmith7214 I like Edelman and I’m the furthest from a patriot fan really good receiver but not hof worthy if Tory holt and Reggie Wayne ain’t in Edelman damn sure shouldn’t
@@scottyc9917 Flacco plays one of the positions that's known for longevity. Edelman Plays Wide Receiver and was primarily a after the catch receiver, not a run out of bounds receiver. No, it's not similar and the comparison is just disrespectful (although I see what you are thinking of).
@@scottyc9917 eh kind of but not to the same degree. Julian is the second ALL TIME only behind Jerry in playoff numbers. Flacco just had one historic playoff run, and a couple other decent ones. But I get ya.
@Ade ToVAR Steph is 6' 3", which is short for NBA standards. NBA average player height is 6' 7". Shannon is 6' 2", which is average for NFL standards. NFL average player height is 6' 2".
I mean the greatest coach of all time said this “By any measure of what constitutes an elite NFL career - wins, championships, production - Julian has it all" . That says it all.
In general I think that slot receivers are not valued much compared to the high flyers outside the hash marks. Moving the chains and winning games is not valued as much as making a big play that makes the highlight reel.
Regardless if they put him in the HOF or not, his career is more memorable than that of many players in the HOF. Julian should be proud of what he’s accomplished
@@raymorris8447 he just said a hall of famer, he didn’t say hall of fame receiver. And I agree with your idea but I think he does too. Obviously Edelman shouldn’t be in the HOF, but he should be proud of himself because he has made a name for himself that even some hof players haven’t (not necessarily hof receivers just some hof players in general)
One of the best discussions from these two. When they aren’t yelling and are just talking about careers and sports history they have an amazing dynamic.
He basically single handedly broke a superbowl open, he made an incredible top 5 all time catch in another super bowl. Great blocker great post season one of the best 3rd down receivers ever. Returned balls threw balls ran balls caught balls blocked he did everything.
What he and brady had was so simple but so unstoppable, five yards left or five yards right it was that simple but no one could copy it or stop it dude was money
Julian kept the drives alive and chains moving. He went across the middle without fear. He was incredible at getting open. Overall, He did his specific assignments as well as anyone.
Ya know, I wasn't too high on this subject coming in. I'm kinda like, can't we let him enjoy retirement and sing his praises for a bit before picking his career apart? But the guys found a good balance here. They managed to celebrate his career and discuss whether he belongs in the hall of fame without tearing him down. Big kudos for that.
It shouldnt be easy to get in. Its the HoF for a reason. Its like people saying rivers, eli, and flacco getting in. They were good but not all time greats
@@matthewrichard9158 Rivers is the only one with a case. Sadly only reason people say Eli is cause of those Superbowls which Michael skill should have one of those MVPs.
@@RiccyTBeatz im naming names. Flacco has a sb and sb mvp which rivers doesnt. Im just saying those 3 dont deserve to be in but out of those 3 id say rivers was the best
You can’t get in off that alone. I’m a Patriots fan and he’s a Patriots HOFer but not an NFL HOFer. He’s in the hall of very good as Skip would say. That being said I wish people would celebrate his career for a few days before they have this debate.
@@jordanonline7923 Welker has a better shot at getting in. Edelman didn’t define his position, all he has is playoff success, doesn’t have the regular season stats to justify it. No way, no how does Edelman get into the NFL HOF.
@@philthornton1382 Sterling Sharpe was the closest receiver to Jerry Rice. Gale Sayers was in the league for 7 years and put up HOF numbers with no rings. Same thing Sterling Sharpe did put up HOF numbers in 7 years. They both retired early cause of injuries but Sharpes was a career ending injury
Jules is one of the most dominant players I have ever watched. His impact on the patriots offense was immense as he was Brady’s go-to guy every game, especially when gronk was injured. He played special teams, defense (slot corner a couple times)!and was great in the run game as well. I can’t remember a time he was taken out of a game because he was so great at creating space in short routes.
@@laitisvi1750 you seem pretty hung up on him using PED as if he stole your momma's secret stash lol. Here's a quote from a USA Today article... "Since 2001, NFL players have been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs and related substances at least 258 times, including at least 82 times in the past five years, according to a newly published database compiled by USA TODAY Sports. The violations have affected every team in the league and every position on the field, including players who have been named to the Pro Bowl and even long snappers, quarterbacks and at least one placekicker." If you're going to hate on someone, at least pick something a little more meaningful.
The guy showed up in the big games no matter what everybody says he was awesome against Atlanta Seattle in those super bowls they were unreal performances
Hall of Fame carrier; a true warrior. The best all around player that is or ever will be......Thanks for all the great moments in Football Julian... These moments in play are the reasons we hang pictures of great performers in the "Hall of Fame". You Julian Edelman are the reasons we have such a place like this in Canton, Ohio......Thank you, Thank you, Thank you...
I don't understand why people treat it like an either-or though. It's not like only 1 WR from the last 20 years can make it in! Everyone says Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer bc two clutch playoff runs & then holds every other position to a different standard. If every QB we consider "great" gets in, there shouldn't be different expectations for other positions.
Eli Manning is also 8th all times in yards and a QB contributes far more to winning than a slot receiver does. So you can take clutch into account there.
he’s a playoff legend and had a good career in new england. i’m a patriot fan and would love to see him in the HOF because he is probably one of the best playoff receivers of all time.
he was never a transcendent player lol, the HOF is for players that were transcendent. Edelman is a good receiver but not a transcendent receiver. This is the same reason that Eli manning doesn't belong in the HOF either.
Can we appreciate this man's career when it mattered and a catch needed to happen and everyone in the stadium knew where the ball was going this man delivered time after time CLUTCH
My initial thought was heck no, but the more I think about it he’s literally one of the only guys I can think of who never drops the football and his contributions to those super bowl teams are priceless. I dunno man...all I know is whenever I watched the pats and they threw to Edelman it was automatic almost 100% of the time.
The hall of fame should not be just about the numbers but also about the overall impact to the game. If for an entire decade, a player has caused the league defenses to game plan (most often unsuccessfully) around this player and has pushed the league to start valuing the slot receiver position, then Edelman should get in if you add his overall impact to his post season numbers.
@@laitisvi1750 excalty like y’all on his nuts some much y’all can’t even see he was a okay receiver played great in the playoffs that’s it never took over a game never had a season where he was top 5 never even came close to a pro bowl WR were does he rank with WR of his Era 🤔🤔🤔 like 28th cmon stop it enjoy his career but leave HOF outta of it
He needs to get in line to be even considered. Andre Johnson, Chad 85, Hines Ward is very under appreciated (look at his numbers and accomplishments) and Torry Holt. Also, the man on this panel's older brother.
They do have plaques for individual achievements like game plans and I'd be happy to see a little audio-visual display of Julian's catch in a room with other great catches. There are plenty. Why not do it? We have the technology now to watch individual plays submitted as all time great plays. Others that come to mind (SBs): Manningham, Tyree, Kearse, Fitzgerald, Holmes, Swann
Edelman and Amendola are the probably the most disarmingly talented receivers for their size that I have ever watched. I honestly think Julian's career would have lasted another 2-3 years had he not been tasked with punt and kickoff returns. Great player; not a Hall of Famer, in my opinion.
I Think he should eventually get into the HoF purely because of his grit and ability to do what others won’t do, and step up to any task you ask him. For him being a wr they should really consider how hard he played compared to other receivers
I now he doesn’t have that many signatures catches compared to some other players, but his longevity and willingness to do whatever necessary, if it’s blocking, playing db, throwing the ball, not many receivers would dare put their body in situations half as dangerous as Edelman
Soft???.... the way these QBs are throwing.... even an average WR can get an easy 1K yard a season.... the top WR gonna start averaging 1500 a yards minimum a season
*~Skip Bayless on the Football Hall of Fame~* •”Changing my FHofF qualifications once for”• •”Julian Edelman belongs in the FHofF”• •"T.O. does not belong in the FHofF”•
@@jessehovey3498 It's not about J.E. actually gaining entrance into the FHofF..... It's about Skip using J.E.'s numbers to reach the FHofF.... It's about Skip not using T.O.'s numbers to keep T.O. out the FHofF....
It's so tough because the Patriots spent 20 years creating an offense that was specifically designed to create issues for other teams to plan against. Edelman was a pro-bowl "level" talent on his team. But, aside from Brady, the Patriots had so few pro-bowlers on offense. A great player is one who plays at the absolute top when it's needed. Edelman didn't need 2,000 yards in the regular season because there were 12 different players every year catching TD passes from Brady and they would still have 13+ wins almost every season. I hate that Edelman is going to be judged against regular season production when he did everything he was asked to, and he has far greater stats and achievements than many people in the HoF. The man GOT. SH*T. DONE. And that's more than even people like Drew Brees and Peyton Manning can say when they look at the rings on their fingers.
Yes I do believe he qualifies his Super Bowl performances were legendary on a side note I believe Troy Brown should get some consideration too he was the most versatile Patriot I've ever seen he set the stage for Wes Walker and Edelman and Amendola
@@kyos8462 take away Brady? Talk about rewriting history, just take Joe away from Jerry or Troy away from Michael Irving while you're at it. I think you can make a cogent argument that Julian's total body of work is not sufficient without getting into taking away a QB whom he was intuitively matched. Why try to destroy what makes team sports special? It's about the team effect, the being on the same page effect that makes guys reach greatness.
Troy Brown may be the most underrated player of value in NFL history. He was Mr. Everything and a very steady influence in the locker room to boot. That walk off catch against Miami, wow ...
THe man played QB , Defence , WR , Special Teams , he blocked, returned punts.. he did it all. One of my favorite players. Sadly he will never sniff the HoF
That is the problem with the H of F, they celebrate a position and forget about legendary FB players. JE is an all around amazing FB player. He dd not catch 40 yard bombs but they don't win games. The 5 to 15 yard catches do. Creates time of possession, opens up the wide receivers and the run game by making them back off line of scrimmage just a bit. He belongs in the H of Fame. Julian Edelman position" Football Player".
@@gxdzfxrst2940 That is my point. He is not considered top in league in any one thing, that is pro bowl, criteria, but he is a good runner, returner, blocker, slot receiver ( a very underrated position). And the famous play " the catch: is the most average looking 10 times every Sunday TD pass and catch you will find. It was before my time and when I saw it finally I was stunned. Ni idea why it is special in any way. " The Catch" is more like what Edelman did in Super Bowl 50, that is one for the ages. Probably the best catch I have ever seen, and by far the most clutch. Football is like anything else, some players get all the attention when they are not that good.
I'm biased as a Pats fan so naturally I say yes that man did so much for our organization, so do with that what you will. In any case I miss JE11 what a warrior he was
Edelman is a multiple time champion, made ridiculous catches - and throws - was a key target in a dynasty and a Super Bowl MVP. He absolutely should make it in. Not first ballot, but somewhere down the line, yes.
Edelman was on a winning team that's why his numbers aren't like these other high profile receivers. Most of those guys teams don't make the playoffs, they have garbage time stats. Edelman's stats mattered at the most important moments
How many times have you seen Edelman catches on TH-cam comparing to HOF players? Many times more because his were way more important. His catches will be remembered forever. He was the best when during the important battles. Many players earn their stats during a backayrd games.
So 3x champion , super bowl MVP and all the amazing catches he had for Brady ( specially the falcon super bowl game that catch was legendary) and all catches and touchdown that he has made in the nfl and super bowl he deserve a spot in the hall of fame I’m not saying he is first ballot but he deserve to be in the hall of fame
That’s nowhere near enough lmao, executives during the Patriots era get rings too you know? Horry was a 7 time champion and hit game winners, that don’t make him a ball of famer 😂
its crazy you're saying he needs pro bowls to get into the hall of fame..super bowl mvp sounds a lot better..championships sound a lot better..being a hard worker and a winner sounds better!!! you can have your hall of fame, i bet julian is happy with what he did!!!!
You cannot tell the story of the New England Patriots without Julian Edelman. The problem with the Hall is its pretty much a fantasy football award. Regular season statistics should not be the dominant criteria to get in. Wes Welker had a much more prolific receiving career than Edelman but in critical moments when the game is on the line Welker came up small. Edelman may not have the numbers but when it comes to critical moments 10 times out of 10 I take him over Welker any game. Edelman is one of the great clutch players that I have ever seen in the biggest games. He delivered whenever his number was called. The criteria should be opened up because the slot receiver in many ways is the 2nd most important position and few played bigger than Edelman
You can’t tell the Story of the Philadelphia Eagles without Nick Foles. You can’t tell the story of the Baltimore Ravens without Joe Flacco. Just because a player is a team legend doesn’t make them a hall of fame. And both of those players were also super bowl mvps.
@@ErikCB912 Here is the thing about Foles and Flacco. They were flash in the pan players that had individual great runs their respective Super Bowl runs but that was it for them. What I saw Edelman do to the Ravens and Legion of Boom in 2014, Falcons in 2017, Kansas City Chiefs and Rams in 2018. Especially the Rams. That was the most dominant performance any receiver ever had in any game period. That was the only game I saw a player that was truly uncoverable start to finish. Edelman had multiple runs which is why he is a multi time Champion. Its not so much just you cant tell the story of the Patriots without him. He was a major contributor to that culture that allowed them to have so many chances to win the Super Bowl. The 3 they won they absolutely do not win without him.
@@bryanmahoney3434 To be honest I see your point but one of the players from the defense should have won MVP they held that team to 3 points but if Edelman gets in solely off of playoffs then Moss and Megatron should not be in at all. To also be honest you can take Edelman out of that superbowl against the Rams and they still win because the defense allowed 3 points to that loaded offense
@@bryanmahoney3434 and actually Flacco had other good playoff performances but he didn't win and winning is a team accomplishment so that's why we shouldn't just give it to Edelman
12k all purpose yards, 43 tds. The thing is, he wasn’t ever just a wide receiver. He was also a special teams guy and he was pretty good at that too. Considering the injuries and he retired at 34 he still had a lot to offer the league, a 7th round draft pick that played qb in college. There was no other more dangerous dual threat wide receiver in the post season. I’m not saying he’s in the hall of fame, I’m saying there are strong cases to consider him.
Never in a day would I argue Julian is a better wideout then the modern receivers Shannon listed. HOWEVER, all of those wideouts Shannon missed don't even have one ring, Jules has 3, and was a big part in each of those wins. If you just looked at regular season stats then yes, he would never sniff the HoF, HOWEVER X2 you can't disregard him as being the best WR in the post season this era. Name a better wideout with better numbers n more rings? Idk it's a hard debate I get that but my side is (biased I will admit lol) is he deserves to be in the HoF, the only other constant receiver Brady had was Gronk (when he wasn't injured, which was a TON during the post season) so I think that goes to show something.
I think he absolutely should be a hall of famer. The guy is a winner. Accumulation of stats and awards are for guys who dont win. I would take Edelman over a whole lot of "greats" currently in the hall of fame.
JE11 is MR Clutch. That stat about his 3rd down catches for 1st dowms says all. When the game is on the line, you could count on him to be big. I think he deserves to be in the Hall.
Everyone wants every player to be in the Hall. Just when they retire it’s always “He should be in the Hall of Fame” No he does not belong in the Hall. Deion was right they letting just anyone get in.
Skips credibility when it comes to HOF talk was shot when he contradicted himself by saying on one side of his mouth "If I have to think about it,you're not in" but on the other side TO didn't belong
This is a dumb argument Julian is easily a HOF not only was a receiver he did everything, blocker, punt returner, qb, ect. And still have decent numbers especially in the postseason
Hines Ward is 4x Pro Bowler, has 2 SB rings, a SB MVP, and broke the record for single season receptions and STILL isn't in. Edelman has no chance whatsoever.
It’s so tough. In the playoffs he’s hall of fame and arguably that matters more than regular season but at the same time it does matter that he was not great in the regular season
This shouldn’t even be a conversation. Edelman isn’t a HOFer. We should debate Wes Welker before Edelman. But it’s been a quiet sports week so they gotta talk about something.
Edelman post season and Edelman regular season are like 2 different players. I feel bad for him that he never made a pro bowl. But his regular season wasn’t good enough but great player, great career. Wish the best.
Do you think that Julian Edelman qualifies for the NFL Hall of Fame?
Yeah
Nope. It's the HOF not the Playoff HOF
Yeah I mean he is one of many people who literally carried Brady like a mama rocking her baby
He’s a hall of fame post season player.
He should, but people like statpadders
That catch he made against the Falcons in the super bowl had everyone in Georgia on suicide watch.
No 🧢
Facts
Don't remind me
Almost as good as the Tyree catch that had Patriots nation on suicide watch after the biggest choke of all time. 18-1
@@onyourkilllist6880 facts
I was in my dorm room in ATL looking out at the falcons stadium with all the bros screaming “PARADE TOMORROW NO CLASS” at halftime. When Edelman made that catch, the silence was the one screaming. Plus, in that Rams Super Bowl EVERYONE knew Edelman was their only game plan and they still couldn’t stop him. Hats off to an amazing career!
Well said. Sorry for your Super Bowl loss as a Falcons fan, must still hurt 😔
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Damn bruh 😂 agreed he's a hall of famer.. its not a record book it's a hall of fame.. forget stats he was a special kind of player
@@kimgoalie still does...still does...
That's a good point you make at the end! He really was the game plan in that last SB, yet he made them look like a college defense with the manner he carved them up.
When they’re not discussing overly opinionated subjects, Shannon and skip are really good
He's the Joe Flacco of WRs
@@elchapojrkimgofthetrap2180 Thanks
@@Jospeh378 😂😂😂😂😂
Shannon only with football anything else its pointless to listen to him
i prefer when they agree and talk shop. they seem to have more fun.
Not a Pats fan but Edelman was such a great clutch player when it really mattered. It was great watching him play except for when he/they were playing my team! Haha
Incredible career and the heart of a lion.
Amendola was just as clutch.
Not a hall of famer tho
I agree completely
Edelman belongs in the Patriots team Hall of Fame but not the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
@@Big_Knowledge as a pats fan agreed too. julian def would be in Pats hall but not the Pro football hall of fame.
I think it’s disrespectful how when a player who retires automatically they start saying how he’s not in the hall of fame or not a top ten player this instead of celebrating they career
Dont forget, he was also suspended for PED use.
@@laitisvi1750 you’d be naive to think 80% of the NFL isn’t on gear lol
@@laitisvi1750 honestly who cares, that doesn't discredit his career
@@michaelbohlander7240 they test vigorously in the nfl. Most players are clean
Only the negative matters except with Brady
Andre Johnson should be a HOF
5 All Pro appearances
2x Receiving Yard leader
2x Reception leader
His best QB was Matt Schaub who isn’t better than Tom Brady or even Deshaun Watson
Dam u put matt schaub in elite company
@Ade ToVAR lame
You have anything better to do with your life than making cheesy LeBron jokes?
@Ade ToVAR That was terrible.
I Don't think Andre Johnson Getting Anytime Soon
@Ade ToVAR how did you involve Lebron in a football discussion? Pathetic
Shannon Sharpe said it best the last time they discussed this: Julian Edleman has the icing when looking at his playoff numbers, but there's no cake.
Bull jive! Pro bowls and seasonal numbers ARE THE ICING. Three rings, clutch moments in the post season and superbowls are the CAKE
@@geroshi11 not for a wr tho
@@geroshi11 patriots fan huh? Lmfao
And that’s a fact. He’s been a Eli Manning of Wide Receivers in his career. And he had Tom Brady the G.O.A.T for his whole career
@@dayriassmith7214 I like Edelman and I’m the furthest from a patriot fan really good receiver but not hof worthy if Tory holt and Reggie Wayne ain’t in Edelman damn sure shouldn’t
That catch him made against the Falcons in the super bowl was legendary
So was the catch that Santonio Holmes made against the Cardinals in the super bowl but he's not in the Hall of Fame
Yep! If he hadn’t made that catch, the Patriots would have lost the Super Bowl.
@@Carvel0 santonio
David Tyree catch against the Patriots was amazing doesnt mean his HOF bound
You’re sleeping on that Seahawks superbowl when he caught it while taking a shot from Cam Chancellor.
Even if he doesn't make it in, for a 7th rounder let alone anyone else that's in the NFL, he should be immensely proud and satisfied with his career
I wouldn’t have retired if I were him.
@@zaynes5094 he had no choice he couldn’t pass a physical
Julian should get in though
@@zaynes5094 facts the pats would be dangerous with him as a vet in that WR room I miss this dude so much
I’m a die hard ravens fan and i salute Julian Edelman... guys a straight dog! A go getter if you will!
This debate could be similar for flacco
@@scottyc9917 Flacco plays one of the positions that's known for longevity. Edelman Plays Wide Receiver and was primarily a after the catch receiver, not a run out of bounds receiver. No, it's not similar and the comparison is just disrespectful (although I see what you are thinking of).
Saluting him doesn't make him a hof
@@scottyc9917 eh kind of but not to the same degree.
Julian is the second ALL TIME only behind Jerry in playoff numbers.
Flacco just had one historic playoff run, and a couple other decent ones.
But I get ya.
@@JacaboBlanco Julian has also played a LOT OF PLAYOFF GAMES and his QB IN ALL OF THEM WAS THE GOAT BRADY.
Undisputed gonna hit different tomorrow discussing the Shannon & KD beef 🍿...
“But I’m sensitive”
what happened
KD made strong points though. Shannon lie & then got low
@Ade ToVAR curry is small he’s just tall I think it’s a difference
@Ade ToVAR Steph is 6' 3", which is short for NBA standards. NBA average player height is 6' 7". Shannon is 6' 2", which is average for NFL standards. NFL average player height is 6' 2".
I mean the greatest coach of all time said this “By any measure of what constitutes an elite NFL career - wins, championships, production - Julian has it all" . That says it all.
Yet doesn’t say hof entry lol
doesn’t say hall of fame career. and julian def doesn’t have the regular season production.
Hmak2009 so that means troy Brown deion branch belong in the hof heck no Edelman is not a hof
@@mattk468 Ok. So what are you saying? What’s your argument? I don’t think he’ll make it in, but he’ll get my respect for his playoff numbers.
It’s kind of crazy that Julian Edelman has zero pro bowl‘s. He’s like two different players.
He was a great clutch post season receiver but he was just never the best at his position any of the years he played
Not even top 5 any years he played
@@kyos8462 He was Top 4 WR last 5 yrs
3x champ
4x Pro Bowl
50 TD's
700 Catches
@@vanessamartinez211 last 5 years: 354 receptions, 21 TDs, 0 pro bowls. Why are you lying?
In general I think that slot receivers are not valued much compared to the high flyers outside the hash marks. Moving the chains and winning games is not valued as much as making a big play that makes the highlight reel.
Regardless if they put him in the HOF or not, his career is more memorable than that of many players in the HOF. Julian should be proud of what he’s accomplished
If they are in the HOF, we probably don't remember because it's been so long ago.
Name a receiver .. I’ll wait
@@jona1han2k4 any receiver?
Name a HOF reciever whose name isnt bigger that Edelman...
@@raymorris8447 he just said a hall of famer, he didn’t say hall of fame receiver. And I agree with your idea but I think he does too. Obviously Edelman shouldn’t be in the HOF, but he should be proud of himself because he has made a name for himself that even some hof players haven’t (not necessarily hof receivers just some hof players in general)
He deserves it for what he did in the postseason... he was amazing, he is the definition of a WARRIOR he never let us down when it mattered
Nope he used PEDs
@@steel148 and jerry rice used stick em so df what?
He will be on the Patriots Hall of Fame but not in the Pro football Hall of Fame
@Ade ToVAR hahaha😐
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If Calvin Johnson can get in with no Super Bowls Jules getting in
@@28kcskate bro Super Bowls means absolutely nothing😂 and megatron played for Detroit not the best QB every cmon now
One of the best discussions from these two. When they aren’t yelling and are just talking about careers and sports history they have an amazing dynamic.
He basically single handedly broke a superbowl open, he made an incredible top 5 all time catch in another super bowl. Great blocker great post season one of the best 3rd down receivers ever. Returned balls threw balls ran balls caught balls blocked he did everything.
played some defense too in this first few years
What he and brady had was so simple but so unstoppable, five yards left or five yards right it was that simple but no one could copy it or stop it dude was money
Julian kept the drives alive and chains moving. He went across the middle without fear. He was incredible at getting open. Overall, He did his specific assignments as well as anyone.
Facts 🔥🔥
If Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson and Sterling Sharpe can't get in I don't think Edelman will.
Facts
I wouldn’t put Chad Johnson in.
@@EFunkRock thats fine but then Julian Edelman should get nowhere near the hall of fame
@@benjacoby4899 if that’s the case, Megatron shouldn’t be in 🤷🏻♂️
@@benjacoby4899 I agree!! There are WAY more deserving pros that are long overdue for HOF induction.
Ya know, I wasn't too high on this subject coming in. I'm kinda like, can't we let him enjoy retirement and sing his praises for a bit before picking his career apart? But the guys found a good balance here. They managed to celebrate his career and discuss whether he belongs in the hall of fame without tearing him down. Big kudos for that.
"If you have to even think about it for a second, they don't deserve to be in it" Don't turn the NFL HoF into the Rock n Roll HoF.
It shouldnt be easy to get in. Its the HoF for a reason. Its like people saying rivers, eli, and flacco getting in. They were good but not all time greats
@@matthewrichard9158 Rivers is the only one with a case. Sadly only reason people say Eli is cause of those Superbowls which Michael skill should have one of those MVPs.
@@matthewrichard9158 I 100% belong in the Hall of Fame
@@matthewrichard9158 Flacco isnt in the same breath as Eli and Rivers and those two are borderline
@@RiccyTBeatz im naming names. Flacco has a sb and sb mvp which rivers doesnt. Im just saying those 3 dont deserve to be in but out of those 3 id say rivers was the best
The man should be on the HOF! A given for the Patriots HOF!
People will say he is not a Hall Of Famer but people will never forget his post seasons with the Patriots 💯
He was an absolute monster when it mattered (in the playoffs)
You can’t get in off that alone. I’m a Patriots fan and he’s a Patriots HOFer but not an NFL HOFer. He’s in the hall of very good as Skip would say. That being said I wish people would celebrate his career for a few days before they have this debate.
He going to make the hof because of his playoffs success I just know
@@jordanonline7923 Edelman has never been a pro bowler. Never been 1st or 2nd all team. Not happening.
@@jordanonline7923 Welker has a better shot at getting in. Edelman didn’t define his position, all he has is playoff success, doesn’t have the regular season stats to justify it. No way, no how does Edelman get into the NFL HOF.
@@yungod1147 probowls don't matter superbowls ( championships) matter which one would you want
The fact sterling sharpe and Hines ward aren’t in the hall of fame is just criminal
Hines ward definitely 🤙🏾👍🏾
Tory Holt got better numbers than both of them. He aint even in
Sterling Sharpe 0 rings .....
Hines Ward however all round quality
@@philthornton1382 we dont count wr rings. Only QBs
@@philthornton1382 Sterling Sharpe was the closest receiver to Jerry Rice. Gale Sayers was in the league for 7 years and put up HOF numbers with no rings. Same thing Sterling Sharpe did put up HOF numbers in 7 years. They both retired early cause of injuries but Sharpes was a career ending injury
Jules is one of the most dominant players I have ever watched. His impact on the patriots offense was immense as he was Brady’s go-to guy every game, especially when gronk was injured. He played special teams, defense (slot corner a couple times)!and was great in the run game as well. I can’t remember a time he was taken out of a game because he was so great at creating space in short routes.
He also used PED's like a BEAST.
@@laitisvi1750 you seem pretty hung up on him using PED as if he stole your momma's secret stash lol.
Here's a quote from a USA Today article... "Since 2001, NFL players have been suspended for performance-enhancing drugs and related substances at least 258 times, including at least 82 times in the past five years, according to a newly published database compiled by USA TODAY Sports. The violations have affected every team in the league and every position on the field, including players who have been named to the Pro Bowl and even long snappers, quarterbacks and at least one placekicker."
If you're going to hate on someone, at least pick something a little more meaningful.
@@burtringo7100 Edelman never made to pro bowl.
@@laitisvi1750 Now that's a better argument
@@burtringo7100 okay
Miami fan here. Total respect for Edleman and his attitude. Exactly how I approach my life/work.
The guy showed up in the big games no matter what everybody says he was awesome against Atlanta Seattle in those super bowls they were unreal performances
Also Again the rams
Hall of Fame carrier; a true warrior. The best all around player that is or ever will be......Thanks for all the great moments in Football Julian... These moments in play are the reasons we hang pictures of great performers in the "Hall of Fame". You Julian Edelman are the reasons we have such a place like this in Canton, Ohio......Thank you, Thank you, Thank you...
If Sterling Sharp is not in the HOF...there is NO way Julian can be there.
I don't understand why people treat it like an either-or though. It's not like only 1 WR from the last 20 years can make it in! Everyone says Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer bc two clutch playoff runs & then holds every other position to a different standard. If every QB we consider "great" gets in, there shouldn't be different expectations for other positions.
Reggie Wayne Ocho Cinco Hines Ward
@@shaynagubert4156 Agree
Eli Manning is also 8th all times in yards and a QB contributes far more to winning than a slot receiver does. So you can take clutch into account there.
Are you serious? Blame Edelman for Sterling's career demise?
he’s a playoff legend and had a good career in new england. i’m a patriot fan and would love to see him in the HOF because he is probably one of the best playoff receivers of all time.
Easily
Agreed
They made ring of honors for this. Dont split the stats to put people in.
he was never a transcendent player lol, the HOF is for players that were transcendent. Edelman is a good receiver but not a transcendent receiver. This is the same reason that Eli manning doesn't belong in the HOF either.
@@ryancampbell484 i agree he was good but he's not a transcendent if he gets in HOF ,to me Andre Johnson should get it & sterling sharpe .
Can we appreciate this man's career when it mattered and a catch needed to happen and everyone in the stadium knew where the ball was going this man delivered time after time
CLUTCH
My initial thought was heck no, but the more I think about it he’s literally one of the only guys I can think of who never drops the football and his contributions to those super bowl teams are priceless. I dunno man...all I know is whenever I watched the pats and they threw to Edelman it was automatic almost 100% of the time.
Exactly. Always caught the throws down the middle of the field in double coverage, ran unbelievable routes.
he dropped 1 big one. other than that, yes
Never drops the football
Leads the league in drops 5 times
@@StFigarlandGarling Edelman, lead league in drops?
@@StFigarlandGarling I never saw it
The hall of fame should not be just about the numbers but also about the overall impact to the game. If for an entire decade, a player has caused the league defenses to game plan (most often unsuccessfully) around this player and has pushed the league to start valuing the slot receiver position, then Edelman should get in if you add his overall impact to his post season numbers.
Wes Welker did that before Edelman
It's hard to get into the Hall of Fame without any pro bowl selections
Doesn’t matter cause NFL still going put him in the hof they love us patriots
@C De No. Never top receiver, no pro bowls + suspended for PED use.
Just no.
Thats it.
@C De the hall of fame ain't there to sell tickets and promote lol. They kinda have a strong base already. Pick the qualified people.
That’s a fan vote tho who cares
@@laitisvi1750 excalty like y’all on his nuts some much y’all can’t even see he was a okay receiver played great in the playoffs that’s it never took over a game never had a season where he was top 5 never even came close to a pro bowl WR were does he rank with WR of his Era 🤔🤔🤔 like 28th cmon stop it enjoy his career but leave HOF outta of it
He won’t get in... but the fact you can have this debate based off his postseason success says something. Special player
HE IS A SLOT RECEIVER...
HE DOES NOT LINE UP OUTSIDE AGAINST DEFENSIVE BACKS...
GTFOH
HIS QB WAS A CHECK DOWN CHARLIE AND HE BENEFITED. PERIOD
@@jaysonwilliam3856 Bro you hating too much fr. He was a good receiver
@@jaysonwilliam3856 most clutch receiver to ever play and yes I really mean that
@@jaysonwilliam3856 Salty Falcons fan alert
@@jaysonwilliam3856 caps lock doesn’t make you right
He needs to get in line to be even considered. Andre Johnson, Chad 85, Hines Ward is very under appreciated (look at his numbers and accomplishments) and Torry Holt. Also, the man on this panel's older brother.
Patriot fans will always remember him. Most Hall of Famers get forgotten anyways unless your a legend.
Don't disrespect the Hall Of Fame just because an average player didn't make it in.
I can see a display about Edelmen during the Super Bowl in the Hall, but I can't see an actual entry to the Hall itself
They do have plaques for individual achievements like game plans and I'd be happy to see a little audio-visual display of Julian's catch in a room with other great catches. There are plenty. Why not do it? We have the technology now to watch individual plays submitted as all time great plays. Others that come to mind (SBs): Manningham, Tyree, Kearse, Fitzgerald, Holmes, Swann
There’s hardly ever been anyone in NFL history been as clutch as Edelman in big games. Regardless of whether he deserves to be in HOF.
Michael Irving, Jerry Rice, Jason Witton, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones....I could go on and on....
Edelman and Amendola are the probably the most disarmingly talented receivers for their size that I have ever watched. I honestly think Julian's career would have lasted another 2-3 years had he not been tasked with punt and kickoff returns. Great player; not a Hall of Famer, in my opinion.
There's this other disarmingly talented small receiver by the name of Wes Welker.....
Steve largent
Wes Welker
I Think he should eventually get into the HoF purely because of his grit and ability to do what others won’t do, and step up to any task you ask him. For him being a wr they should really consider how hard he played compared to other receivers
I now he doesn’t have that many signatures catches compared to some other players, but his longevity and willingness to do whatever necessary, if it’s blocking, playing db, throwing the ball, not many receivers would dare put their body in situations half as dangerous as Edelman
I really enjoyed this segment. When they’re not irrationally biased and arguing they seem very logical and still entertaining
Not one Pro Bowl but somehow I see him getting in at age 50 on a soft hof class year
Pro Bowl is a popularity contest. I understand why Edelman doesn't make it in the hall, though.
@@CaptanF0rever what about all pros? He had none
@@CaptanF0rever his a decent role player at best his a slow slot receiver with above average hands
@@afilleduptaco he ain’t a hofer
Soft???.... the way these QBs are throwing.... even an average WR can get an easy 1K yard a season.... the top WR gonna start averaging 1500 a yards minimum a season
All I’m waiting for is the insight about the beef with Shannon and KD tmmr with undisputed and its gonna be fire 🔥
No way they beefing?
@Ade ToVAR 🤣🤣🤣
@Ade ToVAR 😂😂
*~Skip Bayless on the Football Hall of Fame~*
•”Changing my FHofF qualifications once for”•
•”Julian Edelman belongs in the FHofF”•
•"T.O. does not belong in the FHofF”•
I came here to say the sameeeeeee thing 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
He clearly said Edelman will never get in the HoF and he was playing devils advocate
@@jessehovey3498
It's not about J.E. actually gaining entrance into the FHofF.....
It's about Skip using J.E.'s numbers to reach the FHofF....
It's about Skip not using T.O.'s numbers to keep T.O. out the FHofF....
He's legendary
I feel it's unfair to talk about this the very day he retires. Don'´t give him this kind of welcome to retirement. Celebrate his career for a day.
He got something better then pro bowls he got 5 super bowl appearances and 3 super wins
And super bowl mvp
Jimmy G has 2 rings. GET THAT MAN IN THE HALL OF FAME
@@uppymcdowny58 he only played in one sb
He can thank Tom brady
That's The team sport
He has the team success but the HOF is an individual award and Edelmans stats just aren’t good enough
Words from a wiseman
Did Edelman never get picked for the Pro Bowl?? Or did he just decline to go every time?
@@dfed324 never selected
One of the best big game receivers ever
Dont care what they say about Edelman,as a patriot fan you always knew that he will make those clutch plays,with season on the line.
Never seen a guy shrug off more hits like they were nothing. Wow Julian is the man.
It's so tough because the Patriots spent 20 years creating an offense that was specifically designed to create issues for other teams to plan against. Edelman was a pro-bowl "level" talent on his team. But, aside from Brady, the Patriots had so few pro-bowlers on offense.
A great player is one who plays at the absolute top when it's needed. Edelman didn't need 2,000 yards in the regular season because there were 12 different players every year catching TD passes from Brady and they would still have 13+ wins almost every season.
I hate that Edelman is going to be judged against regular season production when he did everything he was asked to, and he has far greater stats and achievements than many people in the HoF. The man GOT. SH*T. DONE. And that's more than even people like Drew Brees and Peyton Manning can say when they look at the rings on their fingers.
Great post, the Patriot hate is real though.
Get over it he's not getting in 😂
@@elbowgang9715 Edelman will probably be one of the best players to not make the HoF.
@@LASAGNA_LARRY Not really, if he doesn't have one pro bowl, he's nothing special.
Ok, you're either trolling or lying. There's no way a guy with no pro bowl appearances has better achievements than a HOF'er.
Yes I do believe he qualifies his Super Bowl performances were legendary on a side note I believe Troy Brown should get some consideration too he was the most versatile Patriot I've ever seen he set the stage for Wes Walker and Edelman and Amendola
Pats hall of fame...not nfl HoF. Take away brady you have a 5 or 6 year career. To many ahead of him that deserve it
@@kyos8462 take away Brady? Talk about rewriting history, just take Joe away from Jerry or Troy away from Michael Irving while you're at it. I think you can make a cogent argument that Julian's total body of work is not sufficient without getting into taking away a QB whom he was intuitively matched. Why try to destroy what makes team sports special? It's about the team effect, the being on the same page effect that makes guys reach greatness.
Troy Brown may be the most underrated player of value in NFL history. He was Mr. Everything and a very steady influence in the locker room to boot. That walk off catch against Miami, wow ...
If you think Julian deserves to be in the HOF so should Eli. Guys like Hinds Ward who have betters stats and superbowl wins aren't in the HOF yet
@@minoxknoctis5851 Same with Flacco totally different player in the postseason
THe man played QB , Defence , WR , Special Teams , he blocked, returned punts.. he did it all. One of my favorite players. Sadly he will never sniff the HoF
That is the problem with the H of F, they celebrate a position and forget about legendary FB players. JE is an all around amazing FB player. He dd not catch 40 yard bombs but they don't win games. The 5 to 15 yard catches do. Creates time of possession, opens up the wide receivers and the run game by making them back off line of scrimmage just a bit. He belongs in the H of Fame. Julian Edelman position" Football Player".
@@markpoidvin5382 That's not true at all, Edelman doesn't have HOF stats. He hasn't made a pro bowl. He's average.
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That is my point. He is not considered top in league in any one thing, that is pro bowl, criteria, but he is a good runner, returner, blocker, slot receiver ( a very underrated position). And the famous play " the catch: is the most average looking 10 times every Sunday TD pass and catch you will find. It was before my time and when I saw it finally I was stunned. Ni idea why it is special in any way. " The Catch" is more like what Edelman did in Super Bowl 50, that is one for the ages. Probably the best catch I have ever seen, and by far the most clutch. Football is like anything else, some players get all the attention when they are not that good.
@@markpoidvin5382 Julian Edelman's catch wasn't anything special though. Your average college receiver makes a better catch each game.
His heart was bigger than his body. What a player
Edelman had an important career with lots of all time plays. He's definitely a HOF candidate as his story is belongs in the hall
I don’t ever disagree with Skip, but this time I am. Julian is a hall of famer. Hands down.
Forgot all this Edelman talk, I’m waiting for Shannon to talk about KD tomorrow 🤣
All the Edelman stats are also a testament to Tom Brady's ability
I'm biased as a Pats fan so naturally I say yes that man did so much for our organization, so do with that what you will. In any case I miss JE11 what a warrior he was
Edelman is a multiple time champion, made ridiculous catches - and throws - was a key target in a dynasty and a Super Bowl MVP.
He absolutely should make it in. Not first ballot, but somewhere down the line, yes.
Well put
Edelman may not light up the stats but he is clutch when it counts.
Havent seen the video but if edelman deserves to be in the hall of fame than sterling sharpe should too real talk💯
If Edelman should be in the hof then the floodgates should open
I was thinking that same thought
Edelman was on a winning team that's why his numbers aren't like these other high profile receivers. Most of those guys teams don't make the playoffs, they have garbage time stats. Edelman's stats mattered at the most important moments
He caught open passes, and that's about it.
How many times have you seen Edelman catches on TH-cam comparing to HOF players? Many times more because his were way more important. His catches will be remembered forever. He was the best when during the important battles. Many players earn their stats during a backayrd games.
Thanks for the show!
I won’t be mad if he doesn’t get in. Not everyone gets in.
u sound mad hating.... dont discriminate cause he ain't black. dude has a case to be in. don't be upset
@@THINKTVTIME oh yeah I’m the Patriots fan that’s hating on Edelman. Why does everything have to be racial?
Only dumbos make everything about race.
@@LASAGNA_LARRY everyone always does which is why its gotta be addressed. everytime.
@@THINKTVTIME take a seat cuz
So 3x champion , super bowl MVP and all the amazing catches he had for Brady ( specially the falcon super bowl game that catch was legendary) and all catches and touchdown that he has made in the nfl and super bowl he deserve a spot in the hall of fame I’m not saying he is first ballot but he deserve to be in the hall of fame
No he doesnt.
That’s nowhere near enough lmao, executives during the Patriots era get rings too you know? Horry was a 7 time champion and hit game winners, that don’t make him a ball of famer 😂
No he doesn't he's not good enough. Neither does eli or rivers
The guy made big catches in big games time and time again.
That is worth something if you ask me.
The play vs Seattle was incredible. Got nearly killed and just kept going forward
To me he made the best catch I've ever seen!
its crazy you're saying he needs pro bowls to get into the hall of fame..super bowl mvp sounds a lot better..championships sound a lot better..being a hard worker and a winner sounds better!!! you can have your hall of fame, i bet julian is happy with what he did!!!!
You cannot tell the story of the New England Patriots without Julian Edelman. The problem with the Hall is its pretty much a fantasy football award. Regular season statistics should not be the dominant criteria to get in. Wes Welker had a much more prolific receiving career than Edelman but in critical moments when the game is on the line Welker came up small. Edelman may not have the numbers but when it comes to critical moments 10 times out of 10 I take him over Welker any game. Edelman is one of the great clutch players that I have ever seen in the biggest games. He delivered whenever his number was called. The criteria should be opened up because the slot receiver in many ways is the 2nd most important position and few played bigger than Edelman
You can’t tell the Story of the Philadelphia Eagles without Nick Foles. You can’t tell the story of the Baltimore Ravens without Joe Flacco. Just because a player is a team legend doesn’t make them a hall of fame. And both of those players were also super bowl mvps.
@@ErikCB912 Here is the thing about Foles and Flacco. They were flash in the pan players that had individual great runs their respective Super Bowl runs but that was it for them. What I saw Edelman do to the Ravens and Legion of Boom in 2014, Falcons in 2017, Kansas City Chiefs and Rams in 2018. Especially the Rams. That was the most dominant performance any receiver ever had in any game period. That was the only game I saw a player that was truly uncoverable start to finish. Edelman had multiple runs which is why he is a multi time Champion. Its not so much just you cant tell the story of the Patriots without him. He was a major contributor to that culture that allowed them to have so many chances to win the Super Bowl. The 3 they won they absolutely do not win without him.
@@bryanmahoney3434 To be honest I see your point but one of the players from the defense should have won MVP they held that team to 3 points but if Edelman gets in solely off of playoffs then Moss and Megatron should not be in at all. To also be honest you can take Edelman out of that superbowl against the Rams and they still win because the defense allowed 3 points to that loaded offense
@@bryanmahoney3434 and actually Flacco had other good playoff performances but he didn't win and winning is a team accomplishment so that's why we shouldn't just give it to Edelman
Man I don't know. Nobody other than Jerry has done what he's done in the playoffs. His situation is extremely unique.
12k all purpose yards, 43 tds. The thing is, he wasn’t ever just a wide receiver. He was also a special teams guy and he was pretty good at that too. Considering the injuries and he retired at 34 he still had a lot to offer the league, a 7th round draft pick that played qb in college. There was no other more dangerous dual threat wide receiver in the post season. I’m not saying he’s in the hall of fame, I’m saying there are strong cases to consider him.
I watched this guy every week he is a hall of famer!
Edelman was the artful dodger, so unrecoverable when it mattered.
If he's in then so is Eric Moulds. Laverneous Coles. A guy named Hines Ward?? Come on.
Never in a day would I argue Julian is a better wideout then the modern receivers Shannon listed. HOWEVER, all of those wideouts Shannon missed don't even have one ring, Jules has 3, and was a big part in each of those wins. If you just looked at regular season stats then yes, he would never sniff the HoF, HOWEVER X2 you can't disregard him as being the best WR in the post season this era. Name a better wideout with better numbers n more rings? Idk it's a hard debate I get that but my side is (biased I will admit lol) is he deserves to be in the HoF, the only other constant receiver Brady had was Gronk (when he wasn't injured, which was a TON during the post season) so I think that goes to show something.
Um Holt and Ward have rings and Ward was a superbowl mvp thank you very much
@@ziegfeld4131 2v3 and I'd argue Ward isn't in the gen I'm talking about? can you read?
I think he absolutely should be a hall of famer. The guy is a winner. Accumulation of stats and awards are for guys who dont win. I would take Edelman over a whole lot of "greats" currently in the hall of fame.
JE11 is MR Clutch. That stat about his 3rd down catches for 1st dowms says all. When the game is on the line, you could count on him to be big. I think he deserves to be in the Hall.
Everyone wants every player to be in the Hall. Just when they retire it’s always “He should be in the Hall of Fame” No he does not belong in the Hall. Deion was right they letting just anyone get in.
Skips credibility when it comes to HOF talk was shot when he contradicted himself by saying on one side of his mouth "If I have to think about it,you're not in" but on the other side TO didn't belong
If Hines Ward ( 1,000 Rec 85TDs 4x-All Pro) and isn't in, NO WAY Edelman goes in
And 2 Super Bowl
Very true
It's a shame he's not in already
He's in just for starting out as a QB and went tf off as a wide receiver in the clutch
This is a dumb argument Julian is easily a HOF not only was a receiver he did everything, blocker, punt returner, qb, ect. And still have decent numbers especially in the postseason
Hines Ward is 4x Pro Bowler, has 2 SB rings, a SB MVP, and broke the record for single season receptions and STILL isn't in. Edelman has no chance whatsoever.
Also one of the dirteist players to ever play which is prob what is holding him up
Greatest playoff receiver to ever live and by far the most clutch receiver in playoff history
If Edelman wouldn’t of play with the patriots they don’t win super bowl to me
Agree. They still had other years where Tom did win but his years, he was essential to the wins.
You could flip that, if Edelman wasn’t on the Pats. He probably wouldn’t have won any Super Bowls
It’s so tough. In the playoffs he’s hall of fame and arguably that matters more than regular season but at the same time it does matter that he was not great in the regular season
I know Shannon was thinking If my brother not in the hall of fame he definitely shouldn’t be in”
100% he should get in
No
If a 3x SuperBowl Champion can't get in then what tf is it really for?!
0 pro bowls enough said
This shouldn’t even be a conversation. Edelman isn’t a HOFer. We should debate Wes Welker before Edelman. But it’s been a quiet sports week so they gotta talk about something.
Edelman post season and Edelman regular season are like 2 different players. I feel bad for him that he never made a pro bowl. But his regular season wasn’t good enough but great player, great career. Wish the best.