Doctor Who 9x12 REACTION!! "Hell Bent"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ต.ค. 2019
- Eric Shane Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 9 episode 12 of Doctor Who - Hell Bent - #DoctorWho
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"It's always four knocks..." poor Wilfred.
"Why would you do that to yourself?"
"I have a duty of care."
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They way he says that, like it's obvious, hits me every time.
Clara said that in Series 8 about the kids under her care, didn't she?
Killer line
The 50's Diner is an actually Diner in Cardiff, Wales, UK. And the owner painted the Door to the Toilet like a Tardis after the filming was done. I was there, they make a really good burger … 😁
There's a US themed diner in Cardiff?
Not anymore unfortunately :/ It’s gone now
@@jasonutty52 Of course there are, loads.
Is also a theory its the Doctor's Tardis, before he had it...
@@chrissonofpear1384 Because it was already broken....? HAhahahaha....
I love how this episode and the previous one are so up close and personal. Don't get me wrong, the Doctor facing off armed soldiers and Rassilon at the begining is cool, but damn I could watch Twelve and Clara talking and looking at each other forever.
The soldiers joining The Doctor because they knew him during the Time War was such a cool moment I wish it was expanded on more.
Yeah, it's a cool idea on paper, but I've always felt that they really muddle the whole "Gallifrey rises up against Rassilon in support of the Doctor". For one thing, they just kinda show us like 8 dudes and a few ships showing up to reinforce the Doctor, and I guess we're left to assume the entire rest of the armed forces also backed him up, but it would have been nice to have that confirmed a bit more decisively.
Most of all, though, I just hate how much of a wuss Rassilon is in this scenario. He tells them to kill the Doctor, they don't, then they tell him to fuck off and he just kinda goes "Aww... Okay." and, I guess, just wanders the Hell off into space. He doesn't try to negotiate once he's put at a disadvantage, doesn't try anything clever, just kinda accepts defeat and bails out cause the plot didn't need him any more. (I know there's an audio story or book that covers what happened to him afterwards, but that doesn't make up for the way he was just dumped from the plot entirely in the show itself).
Yeah you could maybe chalk it up to Rassilon just going through a particularly pathetic regeneration, and that he doesn't quite have the strength and energy of some of his former faces, but it still seems like a pretty sad waste of a classic legacy character, who has always been a compelling antagonist in the past.
It would’ve been cool if this episode or series 10 dealt with like a Civil War on Gallifrey
@@jacobhogan3208 Really?A Civil War between Time Lord factions that would make The Last Great Time War a storm in a tea cup? Particularly the Time Lords that were the equal of the Q subconsciously from the War Games involved with that conflict?
"I had a duty of care" is my all time favourite Doctor quote.
I'm with you there, although I think Clara's line right before it is heart-breaking and underrated in the way it tees up his response: "Why would you do that to yourself?" Sure, he says "duty of care", but you just know he also means "because I couldn't live without you."
It's a great line but Capaldi's delivery is what makes it beautiful. It's almost like he's puzzled as to why she'd even ask, as if the answer is utterly obvious.
@@anonymes2884 Exactly right, it shows the Doctors character for who he truly is and it's why it's my fave line and my fave Doctor.
@@anonymes2884 Yes, it's beautiful. I don't know if it's the writing or acting (prob a combination of both), but I feel like you never really got that sort of subtlety or subtext with RTD. Moffat can be just as bombastic and over-the-top, but I think he's so much better when it comes to the quieter, more nuanced moments. 12 and Clara's relationship just seemed more complex and interesting than 9/10/11 with Rose/Martha/Donna/Amy...though I'm sure there are hordes of people out there just itching to disagree! :-)
@@iancossey105 True enough, in film and TV it's almost always a combination of things, really great moments need everything to align ("Heaven Sent" is a perfect example of that in fact, where writing, acting, set design, score, even editing all come together to make something greater than the sum of its parts). And I broadly agree about Moffat. His writing feels to me to have more layers to peel back, more substance (and he clearly _loves_ time-travel stories, which also fits my tastes).
I do like RTD's run too though (never really been an either/or sort - i've always liked "Star Trek" _and_ "Star Wars" for instance ;), it's just that they have different styles.
"I'm surprised that the Doctor is using a gun!"
Me, who has seen the Classic Series: Hahahaha! Yeah, that must be his first time... or seventh... or fifteenth.
There's a music video made out of quite a few of the times he's straight up shot people.
Put this in the TH-cam search bar: the doctor gonna bust a cap in yo ass
@@coladictI rewatch those videos at least once a week
The 4th doctor snapped a guys neck
@@stephenburrows9704 and 6th Doctor choked his companion
Wait! Does this mean the diner that 11, Amy, Rory, & River were at, in series 6, was actually Clara going back to see Matt Smith, her first doctor? :'0
Di Thom damn that’s actually a good point...it could be ._.
No, because the Doctor came through the door that Clara enters to go into the TARDIS. So either he knew it was a TARDIS all along… or it’s not the same diner.
@Cherry8201 Yeah; it's not the EXACT same one - you can actually hear the Doctor mention that he thought it "was on the other side of the hill".
@@Jamestopboy While they are different diners, I appreciate that the first time we see the diner, the Doctor steps in through that door and out of his TARDIS, and the last time we see it, the Companion steps out through that door and into her TARDIS. Nice bookends for a place we didn't think we would see a second time.
@@chiffon788 Oh, very true. I appreciate that too.
“How does he know what her theme is? He doesn’t watch the show!”
He is the show!
Maybe one day he went through a crack in space time, found our universe and watched the show.
... I mean, I get the joke, but in-case if you're serious;
The idea is that The Doctor just made up the Song. In-Universe, it doesn't contradict anything, because the Music isn't real, in the Doctor Who Universe. It's just to help Us, The Audience, get into the right mood.
So, the idea is that, in the Doctor Who Universe, The Doctor just made up that Song, and dedicated it to her, because Why-Not?
:)
carealoo744
Or ... he’s like Rick Sanchez and knows he’s on a show. I was thinking about that when he made the “Are you my mummy?” joke when there’s absolutely no one around but him and the audience who could get that joke.
The others who would were elsewhere. Rose is trapped in a parallel world, and I think Captain Jack would be the only companion left who was there. The little kids would be in their 90’s I think. And _maybe_ Osgood could get it, if she was around.
At least he isn’t talking directly to the camera like Rick does. Although he did look directly at it when the cyborg was pushed/jumped from the flesh balloon.
I’m starting to think I’ve thought way too much about this sketchy hypothesis. I’ll quit now. 😂
@@zemoxian Lol; Yeah.
I mean, in the 1965 Chistmas-Special, he just Flat-Out Turned to the camera, and said:
'And incidentally; And A Merry-Christmas, to All of You, at home!'
Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having uploaded my review of: 'The Three Doctors (1972-1973)!' No pressure, of course, just if you're interested! :)
I like how BOTH endings for Clara work...she's immortal until she goes back to Gallifrey.
We've seen her die, so it still happens.
Meaning she DOES go back...the long way around.
No. We saw with the Doctor what happens. She thinks she gets a long time like the Doctor. She actually gets one trip, then boom Gallifrey arrival. Just as the Doctor did. He got one trip after landing on Trenzalore the first time, then the 50th, then the return journey to Trenzalore. Also, all the other TARDISes all retreat to Gallifrey when temporal trouble occurs. Clara is temporal trouble, so her TARDIS will flee back to Gallifrey once it learns of the issue. Only the Doctor's TARDIS runs to trouble.
Shaun Templey None of what you said is canon. Did you just make all that up? She can go on as many adventures as she wants. It’s a space and time machine.
Yes, rather speculative.
@@Jim_The_Fish No. The Doctor's Wife showed the TARDIS' s nature. Classic Who even said the TARDIS was being scrapped because her pilot got caught in a battle that lead to that pilot's regeneration.
You also watched 11's last season, so how many episodes between Trenzalore visits? Exactly one episode, The Day Of The Doctor.
If the Doctor cannot change that rule, what chance does Clara have?
Her next trip is straight to Gallifrey. This diner stop of hers is the only stop she gets.
@@shauntempley9757 That rule was never established. You’re only talking about correlation. Matt Smith only had one episode left because of timing, and Moffat wanted to wrap up his story with a huge bow. What about the TARDIS’s nature ever suggested this? And Clara is in a completely different TARDIS. She literally said “the long way round”. And the Doctor had two heartbeats, while Clara didn’t have any. Idk where you’re getting all this misinformation or if you’re just making it up, but that’s some serious reaching.
Glad to see Eric immediately stating that Heaven Sent is his fav (or one of) episode. I kinda felt a bit... underwhelmed after their reaction to it, but I guess it takes a time to digest.
despite the fact he goes on to say "granted yes we see he becomes a giant big head and dies"
@@Domino2097 Yep, missed that, already edited my post out. :)
The true impact of heaven sent usually hits on a rewatch
Weirdly enough, I sort of agree with you guys, because even though I loved the episode on a first watch, the symbolic nature of the episode becomes more apparent on a rewatch and it's beautiful. Unlike a good chunk of the fandom, I actually appreciated Hell Bent. A bit unclimatic in terms of Rassilon's and Gallifrey's return, but the story was from Clara and Doctor's point of view and it worked quite well for me.
After watching it the first time, I immediately jumped on iPlayer and watched it again. Was so much more layered the second time.
I know a lot of people who cheered when Clara died.. they hated her, and thought she stayed way too long. I loved every second of her run, and cried like a baby when they killed her off.
Sadly I am one of those people you talked about. But you are wrong about how we "cheered when Clara died"...we did not. Actually we might be more scared than you do. Because she always comes back. You just never know if the death is true.And every time she came back hit me harder. It's really sad...I wish I love her like the first season of her or any other companions.
@@mini.k4250 some of them definitely cheered. There was a lot of death-of-Clara gloating, unfortunately. And it's not even new - we had to listen to the same thing when Adric died. Some 'fans' are just toxic.
I was happy at first when Clara died, I hated her. Now however, I love her. She’s my favorite companion. I loved her chemistry with 11 and 12 (she was better with 12). Jenna Coleman gave a terrific performance, Clara’s run started off pretty good; she DID have a personality despite what many claim, she had a very interesting story arc and it carried on over through 12’s era with Danny Pink and the soldier arc and then the Hybrid arc. Yes, her always coming back was a bit of a cliché but it doesn’t bother me that much. Did she stay on for too long? Maybe a little, but I don’t see how they could’ve ended her story any better.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg I just watched the show the first time this last year. So I was totally outside the fandom. Didn't know any opinions and haven't posted opinions outside of the Blindwave TH-cam comments. I did cheer when she died. Nothing against the actress of course. I just found the character obnoxious, and the number of fake out deaths insane. She is probably the only companion, until 13 that I just didn't enjoy watching at all.
If you loved her, excellent. I'm very happy that it worked for people.
@@MasterDoctorBenjiExactly how I felt. I didn’t like her as a companion at all.
I wish Clara would appear in my "nightmares" too
I find Heaven Sent and this episode to be so beautiful. Changed my entire perspective on what Doctor Who could be.
ayyy dope reaction guys! We're pretty close to each other haha. Keep up the dope videos
Whatitdooski?! You and Blind Wave are amazing reactors. I love all of you guys.
nice, the man himself
The woman whom he meets in the barn isn't his mother, it's implied that she "adopted him" after Rassilon had his real parents "killed" (not really clear) in The End of Time Part 2.
Not necessarily, Steven Moffat said that fans were free to interpret her as the same woman from The End of Time, who was intended (at least by Russell T Davies) as the Doctor's mother
1: where are you getting any of this from at all? (Especially the “adoption” part.)
2: literally just #1 again.
Stay in schools, have Matrons who look after the pupils.
Such a primitive farm, too...
Kevik96 well even if she was it seems like she would be his adopted mother anyway 😂
"Amy and Rory, it was Amy and Rory..." This hurts her so much and it hurts me too!
He remembers them but not her. That would hurt.
@Nameless-pt6oj just saw this and it's true 😭
Finally, people who appreciate Hell Bent!
The Doctor: "I will be the conqueror of Gallifrey."
Also the Doctor: "Forget that, I'm gonna take another Tardis and run away from Gallifrey again."
I love Clara and the Doctor's relationship, and really enjoyed this season.
I am so happy you guys enjoyed it too, I never understood all the hatred Clara got. (About her being his equal, both pushing each other to new heights. They hate how she could open the Tardis doors, fly it, hack Daleks, trick aliens, talk down enemies, and become Doctor Clara. )
I love Clara but do think Moffatt made her a bit too perfect at times. I know that's what he was going for but he did overdo it just a tad imo.
Clara is just ridiculously beautiful. Like “I forget my name when I look at you” beautiful. Now that’s out of the way...
I think Jenna Coleman’s chemistry with this Doctor and the previous doctor really made their seasons really good. Regardless of story (there were a lot of hits and some misses) her facial expressions were really great. Happy, heartbroken, every range.
I also liked her “story”. The girl who died twice. The impossible girl. They set it up with a really slow burn. A mystery that culminated in “The Name of the Doctor” and “The Time Of the Doctor”.
I truly wished that both the Doctor and Clara cane back. The show just wasn’t the same without her, and after Cavalli left, the show just lost its spark.
Mashallah tbark allah alhamudillah inshallah better AStgfrallah
That’s what lots of people say about lots of companions and doctors, luckily the show regenerates along with The Doctor.
"Everybody knows that everybody dies and nobody knows it like the Doctor. But I do think that all the skies of all the worlds might just turn dark if he ever for one moment, accepts it.
Everybody knows that everybody dies. But not every day. Not today. Some days are special. Some days are so, so blessed. Some days, nobody dies at all." ~River Song
when I first watched this episode I didn't appreciate it enough because I was kind of influenced by people online bashing it so much but seriously on a second rewatch I enjoyed and appreciated this ep so much more. Peter and Jenna's performances are so good and the relationship between 12 and Clara is definitely one of my favourite in Doctor who.
Same for me. I didn't like it on first watch and the internet made me hate it more but on a rewatch I really like this episode.
Toby Hadoke interviewed Steven Moffat and he said that the best scene in "Heaven Sent" is actually not even in the episode - it's the scene where Clara finds out how long the Doctor was trapped in the confession dial.
Next week is the husbands of River Song. I'm so excited for that one.
Ratiu Victor omg yes I’ve been waiting for that for a LONG time
Barry Allen yea hopefully, if they don't, Aaron shall be our last hope in explaining afterwards ;)
All of them: Clara is my favorite companion.
That’s it, that’s all I needed to hear. Amen to that.
I never understood all the hate she received while she was the companion. Jenna Coleman owned the stage and she, Sarah Jane and possibly Rose will be the ones that people talk about of all time (I am an Amy guy, but that might be because her and Rory were part of my Favorite TARDIS crew of all time.) Yeah, you are spot on if Clara is your favorite Companion of all time, she definitely earned the right.
@@somedudeontwitterstalkedme3829 Honestly, I don't understand how anyone could _not_ hate her, I find her completely unbearable as a character; to me she always only ever came across as smug, entitled and selfish. I find the writing of her relationship with the Doctor dreadful too, unlike with every other New Who companion, they never build up or establish the closeness of their relationship properly, meaning _every_ episode or moment that relies on the Doctor caring _so deeply_ for Clara falls completely flat for me. I actually quite liked Oswin and, to a lesser extent, Victorian-Clara, they had a quirkiness and charm to them that justified and nicely balanced out her more abrasive qualities, it's a shame modern-Clara couldn't be more like them.
@@Zomdra not everything is for everyone, but to hate a fictional character is something that you may have time for but for me life is too short for that. If you missed out on why they were so close, that again is on you and to blame the writers is a cop out, because other people got it. If you find confident females abrasive again that is on you. She felt flat for you? That is what people call an opinion and the good thing is, that you are allowed yours. But you coming on here, is in no way going to change my mind, so now that you have stated your opinion and I have given it's due. You can move on with your opinion and my opinion both in tact. Sorry that modern women can't be more like Victorian women for you.......
@@Zomdra but let's discuss some of the other comments. I get why Rose loves the Doctor so much, she was a 19 year old spinning her wheels when first a crazy uncle drops out of the sky and then he turns into a handsome dashing sword fighting man who loses a hand and still wins a fight to save the Earth, but why did 10 like her so much? She dated Micky for half the season, but at the end he was so sad he cried into a wall. Martha who was working on being a Doctor was kissed by him on the moon and yet she fell deeply into love with him, even though she did just as much figuring things out on the moon that the Doctor did? Donna and 10, she left him because she watched him commit genocide, but now it is all cool because she was bored? We pick and choose what we wish to buy into in a show in which a person can change their face and they travel anywhere in time and space in a blue box.
@@somedudeontwitterstalkedme3829 Whoa, OK, sorry if my original comment was a little abrasive, looking back I was probably a bit too harsh. I do genuinely dislike the character but I acknowledge that other people are entitled to their own opinions on her, what I was trying to say was that I just don't _understand_ other people's affection for her, not that they shouldn't be allowed to like her, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you. Also I don't know where you're getting this sexism angle from in my criticisms, just the fact that she's a confident woman isn't the reason I don't like her (for what it's worth, I am a woman FYI). Oh and that last crack about Victorian women...really now, I know what you're trying to say with that but a) Victorian-Clara wasn't the docile, subservient type of person you're implying and b) I actually said I like Oswin the most.
Did... did they forget that Jack died (for good) in "Gridlock" with Martha
I LOVE this bit:
Clara: You've been traveling?
Doctor: Yeah. From time to time.
Also... You realize that Me and Clara were in the Restaurant At The End Of The Universe, right? ;)
I'm -still- waiting for the Dr Who spin off series showing Clara's and Me's adventures in their TARDIS.... :)
Incidentally, Clara's ending is still the raven in the street. This just means she has as much time as she wants before voluntarily returning to Gallifrey to be sent back to the instant before the raven kills her.
Loved this finale and Clara's send-off. :) And damn, Capaldi is just full of awesome. :)
I'm glad you guys liked this episode as much as I did! A great sendoff to Clara, and if you look back at everything we've had this season a lot finally makes perfect sense, quietly building up through small interactions the conflict that would be the Doctor dealing with her gone and to what lengths he would go for her, as well as Clara going HARD on what her character is supposed to be and letting us know what she treasures the most; her adventures. She doesn't care at all if she dies, but her memories of all she's done are a different thing, and she won't give them up without a fight. In a way this was also her choice during Face the Raven where she did something stupid that got her killed, but trying to change that would be to change Clara herself, and that's a line the Doctor is crossing here.
ALSO a bunch of badass moments early on in Gallifrey, where Capaldi really just flexes on everybody during these dramatic scenes. He's the best.
Thanks for these reactions, excited for the next couple of specials!
Clara is the longest running Companion of NU Who. Remember she was in one of Amy's and Rory's stories, she is in the 50th and is in all of her Christmas Episodes. Amy was a guest star in "Closing Time" and the christmas episode with the flying trees.
i mean even if you included Closing Time, christmas episodes and discounted Asylum of the Daleks, Clara is still the longest cause Snowmen to this episode is 36 where as Amy from Eleventh Hour to Angels Take Mahanttan is only 33
This was a wonderful send off for the character and is one of my favourite goodbyes for a Companion.
The longest running companion in modern Who is Clara
The longest running companion in classic Who is Jamie
Do you know which of them is longer?
dupersuper1938 Jamie, by far. Though partly it’s because single stories could take place over many 1/2 hour episodes back then. All told, he’s at 116 episodes compared to Clara’s 41.
Jamie was still appearing as the Second Doctor’s companion in multi-Doctor crossovers well into the ‘80s.
@@dupersuper1938 Jamie is The longest running companion in all of Who. :)
@@nashwanabila123 Yeah. Jamie and the Second Doctor are pretty much a pairing. Jamie meets the 2nd Doctor in his second story, then gets his memory erased of every adventure but his first in the War Games by the Time Lords. Such a tragic end for a companion for the longest run of stories.
What about the handles, Smith's companion
Technically the Doctor is standing in ruins of Gallifrey with Me, so there's the prophecy fulfilled as far as I'm concerned
Clara & Amy Both have 2 & a Half seasons though Clara has 41 episodes & Amy has 38 & Rose has 37
How Ashildr hasn’t gone mad being the last person in existence is a mystery to me
She went mad from being immortal ages ago and by this point has just gotten used to it can can play it off.
How do you think the doctor does it?
It must be kind of like that guy in Ben 10 (the original series) that got ejected from time. He went insane for several million years, but then got bored of it, so he moved on.
edit: they called him Paradox. It took me way too long to remember, but it happened before I could find the episode.
The fact that she has such a weak memory probably helps a ton. She’s not like Time Lords who have to live with the countless years.
Chess makes for a good distraction.
How is she not dead? If i remember correctly she dan still be wounded and killed. So why does she not die over all those billion years and is the last to survive.
I absolutely adore this episode! It’s my favourite of the ‘raven trilogy’. I think it’s a perfect end for Clara and the Doctor’s relationship. And a perfect goodbye to my favourite companion
Hell Bent is one of the worst episodes in the show's history and you prefer it to Heaven Sent...
Indeed, one of the best send-offs ever. No one can deny that.
@@ambidextrous4383 its awful.
Agree
@@gigo518 it's not that Clara is bad it's her ending is shit. Face the raven was the perfect ending, heaven sent then sees the doctor get over the greeif. He'll bent spits in the face of the previous 2 episodes.
Eric's reaction to the new sonic and his statement about Heaven Sent at the beginning - true Doctor Who fan there. One of us now! 😁
True fan love the shades too. True fan love when he was sonic less. As a true fan, we learn to respect other enjoyment of the show
@@galonski64 completely agree
I see what you did there Moffat. From the first second we meet any of Clara's incarnations, her theme is "Fun you clever boy, and remember me." And in the end he won't remember her.
Eric screams seeing the new sonic screwdriver 😄
Peter Capaldi always wanted his Doctor to have that obsessive nature that characterised the protagonists in the German Expressionist school movies. So, for me, this finale actually fits the characterisation of the 12th Doctor perfectly especially when it comes to the narrative of the 12th Doctor Clara's relationship, Capaldi and Coleman in interviews stated that the relationship is deep romantic love & indescribable bond so it only makes sense that the doctor will never give up on getting Clara back even if it means breaking all the rules that he adhered to before, to the point that he would be tortured for 4 and half billion years, kill someone, and fracture all of time and space when it comes to Clara. My doctor and my companion that I cannot thank Capaldi and Coleman enough for my favourite era in Doctor Who.
Can't wait for next episode as well. Closing the loop :)
Personal favorite of mine.
My favourite Christmas Special!
@@cutthr0atjake though it's good to keep an open mind
Ha
Pretty sure Eric got his Maesters mixed up between Aemon and Luwin on several occasion during this episode lol.
Woah I did it! I traveled one week into the past to watch this video.
Wait... what!?
I feel like Hell Bent is a really good episode, but the Clara thing for me sours her ending. I personally quite enjoy the idea that Clara becomes so much like the Doctor that it kills her and shows that a human can't be him quite like Donna in Journey's end and John Smith in the Family of Blood. It also robs the emotional weight that Heaven Sent has for me because he spends the entire episode grieving for someone, which we've never seen him do before if i'm not mistaken, just for it to be undone the next episode.
It's like they took Ace's original story arc intended if Who hadn't been cancelled in 89. The idea was to have a human attend the academy, which would have cleared up still existing questions about the Time Lord/Gallifreyan stuff.
Well he didn't spent all that time just to grieve after clara though he also stayed in the confession dial that long to have a chance at getting clara back? It wasn't really grieving and wanting revenge from timelord because she died while they were trying to trap him?
@@selenkocali7025 I'd say from the moments leading up to her death until the end of Hell Bent he's going through a version of the 5 stages of grief. Denial in his disbelief over how she'd do something so stupid and wanting Me to fix it even though he knows that she can't. Anger in his threats to Me and the entire street/ when he first arrives in the confession dial. Bargaining by trading 4.5 billion years of his life (even though he doesn't actually age through then he does live and die trillions of times and he knows it) for the chance to maybe get her back, depression to a lesser extent when he gets mind wiped and knows he's losing her/ when he's in the diner talking about how much she meant to him and acceptance when he sees her picture on the TARDIS and realises that he's just been talking to her but doesn't go after her. It's obviously not a process of grieving her death necessarily but he's grieving the loss of someone who he went out of his way to seek out all those years ago. This ending does have a certain poetry to it, but it undermines the idea that people can't be the Doctor and instead rewards her for it with infinte life and a time ship to do with as she pleases, which does ruin it slightly for me.
@@zeke8921 yeah i guess i can understand what you mean by that perspective. I think both 9×10 and 9×12 have kind of a weak story but focus on the poetic meaning of behind their friendship and i like them both for that reason. I can understand how it would undermine others enjoyement of heaven sent and face the raven but i guess there are more scenes i love to rewatch in hell bent and that it has a inconsistent(?) story doesn't effect my enjoyment of watching it. But if you care more about those things than yeah it could be annoying
Comparing this ending for Clara to the one in Face the Raven is silly. They’re one ending.
@@nightowl8477 I doubt that. The whole narrative is focused around her, the entire arc is building up to the Doctor rescuing her. It was definitely not a spur decision, I'm pretty confident of that.
"It wasn't the President's wife, I stole the President's daughter."
Theory: When the Doctor left Gallifrey, his son or daughter was the President. Think about it...
Hiccup Hufflepuff oh my god
And he stole Susan! Wow, that actually works.
amBIdextrous
I think Susan was his granddaughter.
@@zemoxian that's what they meant : Susan WAS his granddaughter, so their theory is : if he stole the President's daughter, it might have been Susan, meaning the Doctor's child (Susan's mother or father) was the President at the time. Pure speculation and probably not true but I think it's brilliant ^^
One of my all time favorite season finales. Such a great send off for one of my all time favorite companions!
Calvin: I liked the talk with the aliens and the humans
Ah yes, I too enjoyed it when the Doctor talked to aliens
Rusty is the hybrid. He's a Dalek that was changed when The Doctor was in his head and now he kills Daleks and sees The Doctor (and possibly even all Time Lords) as being worthy of the Dalek name.
Next week: the best Xmas special of new Who.
I thought this was best sendoff with both clara and me as in a since they go on for an eternity having adventure together. would have liked this spinoff
Next week! Husbands of River Song!!
They've already seen it by this point lmao
Next week: the very first episode that Melanie and Aaron reacted to for the channel.
Oh Christmas special next! Can't wait for that one! one of my favs!
Are you guys going to watch Class? It’s the Doctor Who spin-off that takes place between this season and the next one.
I like Clara having a happy ending so i love this episode.
So bloody badass when he drew the line in the dirt then walked away!
I had hoped Clara and... the immortal girl would've gotten their own spin off. One stuck in a moment, the other immortal, both in a TARDIS! ADVENTURES!
I enjoy this episode for one line “I have a duty of care” I like this episode in general but that’s the moment I’m looking forward to most
Can’t wait for the next two xmas specials!!!!!
A Clara/Me spin-off would be the sexiest, AHEM, I mean greatest thing ever.
*Jenna Coleman and Clara's accomplishments on this show (Series 10 spoilers):*
*1)* 38 episodes of _Doctor Who_ in total, from 2012 to her final appearance in 2017, making her the longest-running modern companion, and in terms of duration as a series lead potentially the longest-running companion period.
*2)* She’s appeared in four Christmas specials - _The Snowmen, The Time of the Doctor, Last Christmas, and Twice Upon A Time._
*3)* She’s featured in stories with every single Doctor to date, including Thirteen (due to _The Name of the Doctor, The Day of the Doctor,_ and _Twice Upon A Time_), and has worked directly opposite four different Doctors (Eleven, Ten, War, Twelve).
*4)* She’s appeared in two regeneration stories - technically four if you count One' and War's regenerations.
*5)* She appeared for the 50th anniversary, the return of Gallifrey, and the introduction of the first female Doctor.
*6)* Clara met the Doctor as a child, helped them choose their TARDIS, changed their mind about destroying Gallifrey, and got them a new regeneration cycle.
*7)* Got her own TARDIS and companion.
*8)* She attended the Doctor Who Proms celebration with Matt in 2013 and the Doctor Who world tour with Peter in 2014, among many other big events for the show.
*9)* She’s technically the first woman to have top billing for a _Doctor Who_ story and her face in the titles, thanks to Series 8's _Death In Heaven,_ where Clara claimed to actually be the Doctor.
*10)* Her cameo in _Twice Upon a Time_ was the last thing Steven Moffat ever filmed for the show.
*Source: _the-lazy-cat-bakes-souffles.tumblr.com/post/168960825246/jenna-coleman-has-had-such-a-wild-time-on-this_
11) She got to call the Time Lords "thick"
GREAT reaction. "Get off my planet."
Trump: ''But-''
Finally! Was the word that escaped my mouth before i realized id said it, when this popped up on my feed
A lot of focus was put on the 4 1/2 billion years thing by a couple of characters, when The Doctor was only in there for about a week. Sure, it was the same week repeated for 4 1/2 billion years, but it has still only been a week that The Doctor that stepped out of the dial last saw Clara...
Didn't the change in the celestial position fo the constellations implied that 4 and a half billion years did pass even though his body kept getting rebooted and going through the same thought process?
He remembers all of the cycles that occurred in that time; I assume it's because the Confession Dial is supposed to save a dying Time Lord's memories as they leave, so whenever the Doctor reached room 12 (which was at the very edge of the Dial), the Confession Dial uploads the stored memories into the Doctor's mind.
Is it just me or does the 4.5 billion years things not have the impact they want it to? It's still a neat thing to do for a friend, but like.. there's no continuity of consciousness between the iterations of the Doctor in the confession dial. This Doctor only spent a few days there before punching his way through the wall - he's not 4.5 billion years old, and he doesn't remember those years at all.
I love the fact that we learn the Diner where 11, Amy, Rory and River meet at the start of Season 6 is actually Clara's TARDIS
I loved the character of Clara. She always brought out the most interesting side of every Doctor.
my favorite moment in this episode:
the four knocks
My least favorite:
Watching the restaurant fly through space
Maybe it's a reference to "A restaurant at the end of the universe"
@@Figoi11 What? :)
@@carealoo744 it's a famous sci-fi book
@@Figoi11 Oh.
As a Sci-Fi Fan, I feel ashamed.
May I ask what it's about?
:)
@@Figoi11 (Does a Quick-Google-Search)
Holy-Crap! Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy, is a Trilogy?!
I absolutely cried my eyes out when I realised that Clara wasn't going to forget the Doctor, but it was the Doctor who was going to forget Clara!
Now I want a spin off of Ashilder and Clara traveling the universe.
I haven't seen them in the comics, but maybe they've been in a novel or Big Finish audio. Have they made a video game since this episode?
The doctor actually does watch the show. He is fourth wall aware, it just doesn’t come up very often. - The original Holiday special (the seventh part of “the daleks master plan”) ends with the first Doctor turning to the camera and saying “Oh, and incidentally, a happy Christmas to all of you at home." showing that he’s very clearly aware that he is a fictional character on a tv show. The 12th doctor speaks directly to the camera even though there’s nobody there when describing the bootstrap paradox in “before the. Flood”. And he says he’s nothing without an audience while looking at the camera in “heaven sent”. And, of course, the most obvious example: The TARDIS translation circuit works through the fourth wall on members of the audience, which is why you hear the dialogue in English.
If you think about it, it does sort of make sense. The perspective of the audience is the perspective of an entity beyond time. We can flip through the doctors timeline at a whim, go from the 12th back to watching the 1st or the 3rd, and even if their universe was retroactively destroyed we would be fine in the “real world”. - And the timelords, with their time-senses, would be capable of perceiving such entities.
The audience likely exists somewhere in Calabi-Yau Space with the Eternals, Chronovores, and Guardians of Time. Our existence godlike even relative to the Gallifreyans, which is why we were immune to the time war. The doctor likely doesn’t try to fight us because he knows we’re harmless or even benevolent observers, that won’t interfere in events. Kinda like Uatu the Watcher.
Actually, it might go even further than that, if we speculate that the audience represents a pre-existing entity in Calabi-Yau Space. We could be the Guardians of Time. - Hear me out, the Guardians of Time rarely appear in Doctor Who, but the one time they did they made the Doctor the Champion of Time, a role with vaguely defined powers, then pissed off never to be heard from again. Yet they’re presumably still watching their chosen champion fight, may have even played a role in why he was able to win the time war.
So they’re extra-dimensional largely unseen entities with power over time that watch the Doctor while viewing him as a champion or even... a protagonist, and ensure that he wins.
_Why_ does the doctor always win? Because he’s the star of the show, because audience members LIKE watching him win, because the guardians of time have chosen him to be their champion, to fight on their behalf, on the half of their entire species.
The Doctor has the power of Plot Armor because he is a fictional character, granted to him in-universe by an audience stand in, and his time-senses show him that he is being watched by time-entities even if he doesn’t have any power in our world to stop us, which is why he is so nonchalant when he does decide to address us.
At least that’s my head canon. But I’m just a big dumb idiot without a time-head so what do I know?
I admit to not being enamored with this episode when it first aired, and while I have rewatched Heaven Sent many, many times, I can't have seen Hell Bent more than twice. It still has problems but for, especially the ending and Clara's death being reversed, but hot damn that pre-titles scene was so good. And as always, watching episodes with you guys always make me appreciate the lackluster episodes more, so thanks.
And goddamn, the individual lines and exchanges, their deliveries by cast but especially Peter Capaldi, were fantastic. I just wish the whole wasn't less than the sum of its parts.
There are a lot of mentions to forgetting since Capaldi started as the doctor that foreshadow this episode.
And then there's this episode.
frankly I think her death in Face the Raven was so well executed sine her story-line was mostly along the lines of trying to BECOME the Doctor and her hubris getting her killed at the end
and while I don't dislike this ending for her I at least want her to NOT become the Doctor at the end, she was rewarded for trying to be like the Doctor or maybe just see her return to her death and accept that her hubris was her undoing
« I have a duty of care »... Also : « I love you »
I was so upset when no one noticed the ninth doctor’s theme when he was in the barn.
I'm loving the reactions but since doctor who left Netflix in Australia, the next episode (Christmas) is the last I have seen so I don't know if I should spoil myself with the reactions or figure some way to watching the next seasons onward.
I've played music my whole life, sang in boys choir from 3rd-8th grade, band for 7 years too. I play my guitar every night.
At least I have watched New Who 5x over. Never knew the guitar song was Clara's Theme until now.
Jesus.
Christmas is coming! Yasss!
I like the idea that the hybrid is just the doctor whenever he gets to close to someone. He got way to close with Clara so he was forced to forget her because he was breaking all his rules just to save her. It shows that being as powerful as the doctor can be a curse because if you ever get to close to someone how do you stop youself from breaking reality just to save them?
One of the biggest criticism's of Moffatt's era is his constant rug pulls and then flip turning and making everything okay again. I think this is why Face the Raven doesn't work for some people, as Moffatt fakes out so much you expect her to be saved and it kills the tension in it. Similarly, it's why some people hate Hell Bent, as it does exactly that: retroactively lessens the impact of what was seemingly a final death.
I do understand and somewhat agree with this criticism, and I say this as someone that really likes Clara and Smith/Capaldi.
So close to the end now
04:46 So this was Rassilon who watched over the Stark kids in Winterfell... *EVERYTHING'S CONNECTED*
“Part of me wants this exact same story but with Trump”, Eric you legend!
Triggered alt-righters inbound!
OrAnGE MaN BaD!!
@@memeswillneverdie did you just compare Steven Moffat's writing to a dead meme? Wow.
Tyler Bailey you left are just as scummy as the right
Silk Worm isn’t that what it is, it’s not dead btw
The Diner really exists. It is in Cardiff Bay. It is real replica 50s Diner. So they had screen that out.
OH I JUST REMEMBERED WHAT NEXT WEEKS EPISODE IS!
2:44 whenever I tell an inappropriate joke to other people
i think with the jack thing , the demon that he kind had to overfeed it to death what probably why was eventually able to die
Its the Paternoster Gang and the lady was Madame Vastra.
Next week my favorite character returns 😭😭
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2:42 Classic Blind Wave moment lolol
Eric “I want to hear them, Why not hear them”
Maybe Ashildr planned it all to get rescued from the end of the universe. She was the cause of Clara dying in the first place. That would be a clever survival plan.
But Ashildr doesn't _want_ to survive, that's the whole point of The Woman Who Lived
Then why not get a ship and just fly into a star?
@@eli_berdugo04 I don't remember well, but she was just bored of her current life, wasn't she? It's not like she wanted to die. Because it's not impossible for her to die either.
The Doctor is basically Captain Gallifrey.
And here I am crying again because I miss Clara so much
The café/diner's not there anymore. It's now a building site. Shame, they did good milkshakes