@@Miyconst I have a E5 2699 on a asus x99 mb, unlocked the turbo I have successfully have it working with not hitting the power limit. All cores HT enabled x36 multiplier but it still hits the EDP/current(lowering the multiplier 29-33x) when stressing and I am not sure why, Also I bench very good and CPU temp never over 50c
@@jeremybroderick9465 most of the branded motherboards have CPU current settings in the BIOS, check if you can find any and put it to the maximum available value. If that does not help, you are most likely hitting the TDP limit, but it's getting misreported because of TBU.
Wonderful content, man. Very useful, especially in the context of the recent price surge for all the hardware components. Upgraded my Athlon 2 X4 651K quad core CPU to Xeon E5 2673 v3 and saw a massive increase in computer responsiveness. New CPUs are much better, no doubt. But my upgrade costed me $100 for CPU + motherboard combo. Other components were reused from old setup. So I got massive upgrade for the third of only the Ryzen 5 5600x cost!
I recently bought this chip to upgrade from the e5-2673v3 I was using for a couple years prior. It is working extremely well on the Jingsha x99 E8I motherboard with all-core turbo bios unlock done and 70/50 undervolting. With that undervolting and windows set to "balanced" in the power options my CPU-Z benchmark comes out 109 points higher than a Threadripper 1920x for multi-core and almost exactly the same as a threadripper 1950x single core. That is really REALLY not bad for a chip I paid $80cdn for :)
Setting the power options to "high performance" raised the multi-score even more but also dropped the single core score by quite a bit as well so I don't use that.
Thanks for the amazing contribution with these incredible tests. I just came back to verify some information i needeed about render work count and HT on call of duty!
You just got a like and sub for this vid. Was kicking around getting a 2698v3 since they are $130 now. Just wow, I couldnt believe how much the 5600x killed it overall. At 65w vs 140w forget it. Now thinking go big and grab a Ryzen 7 5700x for under $300 and be done for the next 5 years. Thanks for putting the effort in for us uber nerds lol ;)
You seems busy in last 2 weeks hope you doing great, you came with this beast Xeon E5 2698 V3, Great work its pretty much productivity system but ya truly E5 2697 V3 offers more value and considering its price its good deal as currently pricing of every Ryzen and intel is broke.
For what I'm doing and the price difference I'm happy with the 2678, but if these drop a bit more... I'd love to see a xeon roundup one day but have a pretty good idea how things would fall, just a matter of figuring out cost vs. performance for ones needs.
Awesome as usual. Man I just bought a 2678v3 wish I would have known about the 2697v3. Oh well. Thanks for updating mi899 I'll need to try the new bios update so I can sleep my huananzhi x99-f8 and not lose turbo unlock.
All the games were tested with a top of the graphics card. Which means, if your GPU is weaker than 6800xt, the big performance difference between Xeon and the Ryzen at 1080p will shrink and or vanish. Making price the only differences.
Thank you for this valuable information. I will be using this processor on my home server (Jginyue Titanium D4, 64gb RAM, 2x Tesla P100s). All your videos have been a great help to me.
Great content, thank you. Loving the Xeon coverage and would be interested in the Intel Xeon E5-2697 v3 to see how high it can clock. 2699 (DDR4) / 2696 (DDR3) v3 also has a 145W TDP (but with 18 cores), so that may be another option to look at.
Your find with the renderer worker count setting on MW is very interesting. I find the same happens with my Ryzen 4800H, an 8 core 16 thread CPU. Modifying the value down to 6 VS 16 makes the usage stay around 50% and the clock speeds stay low for the same FPS. Meanwhile. maxing it out to 12+ the usage and clock speeds go up but no FPS improvement, also the FPS fluctuates much more. I'll keep this in mind for the Xeon I am getting later and keep the setting at 10.
I love your content. The numbers, graphics, and all data is your strong point. You're smart bro this is the reason because you are not saying the same things that the rest of you tube about xeons.
Upgraded to E5-2696v3 from 2678v3 on HZ X99TF. Sold the 2678; net upgrade cost....$16!!!! Sixteen bucks, delivered...for an 18 core/36 thread CPU that turbo's to 3.8Ghz. All core...will usually bounce around 3.2Ghz...sometimes, for short periods it will hit 3.6Ghz. A couple of cores will hit the topline on certain applications. Basically, with TU it's limited only by the TDP of 145W. It's a beast. Temperatures...it runs fairly cool...not even close to generating the heat of something like my venerable X79 E5-1680v2 OC to 4.5Ghz. Basically, a decent 6x6mm 120mm fan cooler (e.g. Snowman) will do the job. Mine has the PCCooler GI-D66A, with a TDP rating of 230W. [e.g., with CPU-Z and multi-threaded stress after 5min with Ambient at 20C, the HWinfo64 Coremax T=50C, the package T= 50C, and CoreT=48C. CPU pkg=131W; Dist to TjMax=30C]. For the money, and if you already own an X99 MB and either DDR3 or DDR4...it's a no brainer upgrade. Current price hovers around $50 for the E5-2696V3. Unbelieveable!
I love that comment on Call of Duty, designed for multicore but doesn't use them for usefull work! Just brilliant love your channel. I would have run both systems on the same memory speed and see if that makes a difference.
@@Miyconst Not only your technical content and scientific approach is great, but you are also an inspiration for other aspiring content creators like myself! By the way, I work with some aerodynamics software (open source from NASA) and are my real use cases. They do allow running on multiple cores, and maybe this could be a fun / interesting benchmark for people who use their workstations for CAE / Engineering applications. If you would like, I could prepare a case study and send it to yout. The executables i can send you a link directly from NASA, so there is no safety risk for you. Let me know! Cheers!
For quite some time i was thinking of upgrading to 2697 v3 from 2678v3. Please do a video about it :) I think that i can sell my 2678 v3 easily, but much cheaper 🤔
You do an outstanding job of testing! I have become very interested in older Xeon processors in recent months. So much so that I purchased a Dell Precision 5600 workstation and have been upgrading it. Prices are just so high right now and this prebuilt was only a couple hundred dollars US. Eventually I would like to build something using a higher end Xeon and the information you have provided is very greatly appreciated!
I finally got into the Xeon community… just got a 2696 v3. Gotta get an x99 board. Just want to make a fun 18 core pc. I’ve already got an i7 8700k, a Ryzen 7 5700g, and an i9 9900k.
considering that 5600x is running whopping 39% or ~1.2ghz faster, this xeon shows an amazing performance. At equal clockspeed it would be actually slightly faster than 5600x, which you wouldnt think of especially that this xeon is like 6 years older than 5600x. I wonder which is the biggest factor for this xeon, cpu cache advantage? per core latency? memory bandwidth?
Doesn’t really work that way. The Xeon has diminished returns with higher clock. Also, the Ryzen is sipping power at higher performance compared to the older Xeon.
Are you talking about Xeon or Ryzen? Asking because I think I have demonstrated pretty clear that for Xeon the "TDP unlock" does not do what you expect it to do.
@@Miyconst I swear I've seen someone unlock TDP on this Xeon with a BIOS mod. You lose full control over power and it will draw as much as it can (obviously risky). It did result in no TDP limitation and full turbo boost working as expected - at the risk that you also named in this video. I understand you don't want to give this to people who can break their hardware or set their house on fire, but I'd still like to see the gaming performance when it's done that way. It may have been on a video by Craft Computing. He explained what he modified in the BIOS to achieve this.
You are mixing two things. Craft Computing (the same as me in another video) unlocked TDP for CPUs with unlocked multiplier. These settings have no effect with locked CPUs, such as every E5-26XX. There is a hack, which disables TDP readings for E5-26XX V3 CPUs, but as I showed in the video, this hack doesn't actually help with the frequency in this case.
I'm sold, going to be building a server with x2 of these E5 2698's as my AIO home server. Price to performance for my use case is just too good to pass up. I can actually buy the Xeons, can't get a 5600x or anything else for that matter, and the 32 physical cores vs 6 I'll have will handle my VM's and Docker images beautifully.
For my fellow miners, the Xeon 2699 gets 26mh on Verus vs a Ryzen 5 5600x3d that gets 16mh. So for processing power the 18 cores off the xeon trumps the 6 off the ryzen.
To me, XEON makes sense if: 1) you already own (or have access to a really cheap) X99 motherboard; 2) you already own (or have access to a really cheap) low speed DDR4 (~2133MHz); 3) you can benefit mostly from multi-core/productivity use-cases. Absent all of the above, INTEL i3/i5 gen 13 (or 12) or Ryzen (e.g. 5600X, 5600G, etc. with a decent AM4 compatible motherboard) makes more sense. I own the E5-2696v3 w/X99TF + 64GB DDR4 (3200MHz). It's a terrific system for my needs and I was able to build it relatively "on the cheap". CPU @$51 (delivered) + X99TF @ $50 + 64GB DDR4 @ $80. System pairs well with an RTX 2080Ti (used,
hi miyconst, months ago I unlocked the turbo boost using your tool, I saw that you just released an update of the tool with bios for the tbu using the s3turbo driver, I am on x99-f8 and 2620v3 with the tbu done, it is advisable to change bios for that new one for my motherboard ?? If so, which bios do you recommend using, remember that I am with the -50mv / -50 mv bios which is the most stable for the 2620v3, thanks
There is no advice or recommendation to replace the BIOS. If you want to play around and try to get a bit more performance out of your CPU, you can do that by using the PEI -70/50 driver option, but you can also leave everything as is.
thanks, i had a LGA 2011 X99 board that ive had zero use for because its I7-6850K is barely better than my 4790K but with 2x the power consumption, so i think im going to just go full pepega now and pop a 2698 V3 in it and see how that goes since i can snag one for 50 usd.
I have one more question,i have 3 motherboard options under 30$: Lenovo ThinkStation P510 Motherboard LGA 2011 DDR4 HP Z620 Workstation Motherboard LGA2011 Dell Precision T5810 Motherboard Socket LGA2011 which one should i buy,or maybe you know better option in this price ratio? p.s. i can use taobao if needed
Hi, thank you so much for your great work. I have a question, maybe you will find time to answer. I have the i7-6800k + Macho B on the MSI X99A SLI Plus + 32Gb Vengeance LPX 3000MHZ CL15. Primarily for rendering in After Effects. Not so long ago, they introduced multi-frame rendering in AE, which uses all cores, so theoretically, the upgrade should significantly speed up the work. Additionally, photo processing in Capture One, video Premiere Pro, maybe Blender / Daz render in the future. I am considering replacing the processor with the i7-6950X or E5-2699v3 (with unlock ofcourse), which I can get for similar money (~200$). Which do you think would be better for these tasks? Kind regards. Slava Ukraini!
Hi. I do not use Adobe applications, thus I can't provide accurate information, but I can suggest you to monitor your CPU usage during your work and see what's going on. If you see all CPU cores constantly loaded - upgrade will be a good speed up, if you see only some cores used with a single core topping at 100% utilization, then Xeon will be a downgrade.
Well, I would use this for a workstation, but unfortunately, it only supports DDR-4 and that costs double the price of DDR-3 ECC. :S With a couple of hundred gigs of ram needed it counts a great deal.
I would imagine a Xeon E5 - 2696 v3 with turbo boost unlock running at 3.8ghz with undervolting will basically match the Ryzen 5600x in most of the gaming benchmarks and out perform in all the other benchmarks.
I run with this CPU, Turbo unlocked it with the Mi899 tool. It is a beast...but it does not sustain 3.8Ghz all core (18 cores) and is ultimately limited by the TDP of 145W (with short power limited to 125% of TDP cap). That being said...all core can reach around 3.4Ghz+ and bounces to 3.8Ghz at times. However, it never runs steady all-core at 3.8Ghz. As for temperatures under stress and the CPU cooled with air (tower is 6x6mm with dual 120mm)...at or below 52C with a 20C ambient temp. Note: certain games (like WoT) seems to run at higher all core clocks than the benchmarks and stress tests.
@@jb678901 thanks for the reply, I’m planning to build another PC soon and debating between newer pc or something like the E5-2696v3, it’s so much cheaper to go with this cpu then the new ones. Full pc built out for under $300 where as with new cpus, the cpu along can cost almost $300. Still debating on if I should go dual or single core, since the CPU’s are so cheap.
@@ChidiOable My work load does not require a dual CPU MB and configuration, so I cannot speak intelligently about the Pro's and Con's. I do recall a couple of TH-cam videos on this subject, usually with E5-2699v3...a comparable CPU only differentiated by the max turbo (3.6 vs 3.8Ghz) and DDR4 only (as opposed to 2696v3, which is compatible with either DDR3 or DDR4). Under stable all core clocks, both of these CPU's are very comparable and with same TDP limits. 2699 may even be cheaper! I suppose it depends on what you may already own in terms of RAM, Motherboard, Power Supply, CPU cooler. If everything were to be purchased from scratch...Ryzen or even a 12 or 13 gen i3/i5 might be interesting. That being said, for me it was a VERY effective upgrade from 2678v3 and DDR3 to 2696v3 and DDR4. After selling off the replaced CPU/RAM, the cash out was about $30. Incredible value IMHO. I am not breaking any benchmark records with this setup...but it is still a monster workhorse. Power wise...acceptable too!
@@abdulmanansiddique-ws1hd E3-1271 V3 is a quad core CPU from the past, I would only recommend it if you absolutely have to go with it, otherwise Ryzen is better.
Yes, I have replaced the annoying fans with an M.2 heatsink. I didn't replace the VRM heatsink, just removed the fans from the Huananzhi heatsink and injected into that place a heatsink from an M.2 SSD.
another possibility is to turn off sets of cpu cores to see if you can get the turbo boost to go higher on all the rest of the cores, it could mean more or less performance in cpu bound tasks like blender renders. I noticed its slightly faster to run 10 cores on my 2678v3 with the all core hack than with 12 for that reason.
Yes,. Disabling cores does give a nice boost in clock speeds. I have a 2698v3 running with only 12 cores (no HT) and as long as I don't hit TDP, they all stay at 3.5 to 3.6. I also have a FSB at 104.25 and the clocks hit around 3.751ghz. only thing holding me back is TDP 🥺
@@daddyalpha2648 unfortunately my FPS numbers won't be very meaningful as I am still stuck on a R7 370 GPU (yeaaa GPU market!). OW is what I still mostly play and my fps avg 140fps (up from ~70fps with my old Xeon 5660 @4.4ghz, same GPU). One positive is that I have 40MB L3 cache available with this chip so that could be giving me better results.
@@daddyalpha2648 just for giggles... I just ran a Shadow of Tomb Raider benchmark and my avg GPU FPS was 26! 😭 However, Cpu game was avg of 119 (95% 104) and Cpu render was 170 (95% 139). Hope that helps!
Miyconst, does the SLEEP function works well on 2698v3 xeon's? My previous 2640v3 suspend correctly at my huananzhi x99 f8 board with s3mod -70mv/50 but I just mounted my 2698v3 and SLEEP work but PC don't awake later I do it :(
I assume you are looking for a Chinese motherboard, in this case it's Huananzhi X99-F8, and for the video card.. nothing is in stock, so get whatever you will be able to buy for a reasonable price.
Multiple frequency drops on Xeon E5-2698 V3! In game benchmarks under 3Ghz sometimes. Did you use uncore undervolting in your Turbo unlock method? FFS driver with uncore undervolting can give 3.2-3.3Ghz in load on Xeon E5-2678 V3, but with only core undervolting 2678 V3 get drops under 3Ghz too
What are you thoughts on HP Z440 workstations? They are rather inexpensive for a full system: MB, PSU, decent case, etc. Can turbo boost unlock be done with it?
I know that this cpu cannot reach 3.6ghz on all cores, but what if you disable some cores, what do you think would benefit you more 16 cores at a lower speed or 12 or 10 at 3.6ghz ? I found out that there is a bios setting for that but in my case I cannot do any benchmark because my computer is not stable if I'm using less cores than what I have.
Disabling some Cores helps the CPU to keep slightly higher clocks which results into a tiny bit better gaming performance, but the overall picture does not change.
Are there some apps used for benchmarking which show the significant difference in memory bandwidth? As i remind me the E5 have twice the memory channels.
Do you think a Broadwell (Xeon E5 v4) would do much better compared to the v3 (shown in this video) and the 5600X? It supports DDR4-2400 which is a 12.5% improvement from 2133MT, which looks like a huge limiting factor versus the 3400MT paired 5600X shown here. Since all of these Xeons are pretty much the same price (next to nothing) from China now, it seems helpful to identify which ones from a giant list of SKUs can give substantially better performance. What I gather: E5 v2 = Ivy Bridge = DDR3-1600, 22nm, reduced instruction set, older socket compatibility, not ideal E5 v3 = Haswell = DDR4-2133, 22nm, Adds a ton of modern instruction sets over v2 E5 v4 = Broadwell = DDR4-2400, 14nm, better process so should be more power efficient
Xeons are server CPU's not meant for gaming but you can still game on them. I just got the 2660V4 and 2650V4 since my X99 motherboard is garbage and I don't want to burn up the VRM. :)
Hello, do you believe turbo unlock could be achieved for this CPU on X99-QD4? Have tried your Mi899 but only goes up to 3200/3300 in multicore. I understand this is due to a limitation of cpu/mobo combo. Maybe with an asus X99 mobo it could reach 3600 or maybe not...judging for the start of this video
The CPU hits TDP limitation. You need to reduce voltage and maybe disable some cores. The behavior is identical on Asus or Huananzhi boards, it's a CPU limitation.
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Miyconst, never stop your work! You are a big part in this xeon community, thx for everything
Thank you for the support!
MiyConst is the real deal Holyfield
@@Miyconst I have a E5 2699 on a asus x99 mb, unlocked the turbo I have successfully have it working with not hitting the power limit.
All cores HT enabled x36 multiplier but it still hits the EDP/current(lowering the multiplier 29-33x) when stressing and I am not sure why, Also I bench very good and CPU temp never over 50c
@@jeremybroderick9465 most of the branded motherboards have CPU current settings in the BIOS, check if you can find any and put it to the maximum available value. If that does not help, you are most likely hitting the TDP limit, but it's getting misreported because of TBU.
Best channel about x99, no doubt.
yeah, its to bad that he supports nazis.
Wonderful content, man. Very useful, especially in the context of the recent price surge for all the hardware components. Upgraded my Athlon 2 X4 651K quad core CPU to Xeon E5 2673 v3 and saw a massive increase in computer responsiveness. New CPUs are much better, no doubt. But my upgrade costed me $100 for CPU + motherboard combo. Other components were reused from old setup. So I got massive upgrade for the third of only the Ryzen 5 5600x cost!
I recently bought this chip to upgrade from the e5-2673v3 I was using for a couple years prior. It is working extremely well on the Jingsha x99 E8I motherboard with all-core turbo bios unlock done and 70/50 undervolting. With that undervolting and windows set to "balanced" in the power options my CPU-Z benchmark comes out 109 points higher than a Threadripper 1920x for multi-core and almost exactly the same as a threadripper 1950x single core. That is really REALLY not bad for a chip I paid $80cdn for :)
Setting the power options to "high performance" raised the multi-score even more but also dropped the single core score by quite a bit as well so I don't use that.
love this content, still interested about xeons and reviews.
Thanks for the amazing contribution with these incredible tests. I just came back to verify some information i needeed about render work count and HT on call of duty!
You just got a like and sub for this vid. Was kicking around getting a 2698v3 since they are $130 now. Just wow, I couldnt believe how much the 5600x killed it overall. At 65w vs 140w forget it. Now thinking go big and grab a Ryzen 7 5700x for under $300 and be done for the next 5 years. Thanks for putting the effort in for us uber nerds lol ;)
With the market the way it is, these videos are especially relevant. Keep it up man.
I love used xeons. One of my systems has a 2667v2 and it’s awesome
Yes I want to learn more about Xeon to game with and I’m counting on you to educate me. Keep going man
You seems busy in last 2 weeks hope you doing great, you came with this beast Xeon E5 2698 V3, Great work its pretty much productivity system but ya truly E5 2697 V3 offers more value and considering its price its good deal as currently pricing of every Ryzen and intel is broke.
Just comment for the algoritme before I even finished watching.
For what I'm doing and the price difference I'm happy with the 2678, but if these drop a bit more... I'd love to see a xeon roundup one day but have a pretty good idea how things would fall, just a matter of figuring out cost vs. performance for ones needs.
I'll probably build one of these systems just because you work so hard at this channel.
Oh, the outro music changed! Great job as usual, very informative.
This time it's too many slides for the standard outro music.
Thank you for this! I'm putting a parts list together and want to use an old Xeon, this one looks very interesting!
Once again, thank you for your effort in producing content.
Seems like no matter which v3 xeon you get you're limited to around 3.3-3.5ghz in gaming workloads. I still find them pretty interesting though.
u r the best bro! I like so much your work. Dont stop please!! we need geniuses like you
Thank you for an excellent video. E5 2697 v3 is for 55 Canadian dollars, ryzen 5600x is for 260 Canadian dollars.
Awesome as usual. Man I just bought a 2678v3 wish I would have known about the 2697v3. Oh well. Thanks for updating mi899 I'll need to try the new bios update so I can sleep my huananzhi x99-f8 and not lose turbo unlock.
All the games were tested with a top of the graphics card. Which means, if your GPU is weaker than 6800xt, the big performance difference between Xeon and the Ryzen at 1080p will shrink and or vanish. Making price the only differences.
Thank you for this valuable information. I will be using this processor on my home server (Jginyue Titanium D4, 64gb RAM, 2x Tesla P100s). All your videos have been a great help to me.
Great content, thank you. Loving the Xeon coverage and would be interested in the Intel Xeon E5-2697 v3 to see how high it can clock. 2699 (DDR4) / 2696 (DDR3) v3 also has a 145W TDP (but with 18 cores), so that may be another option to look at.
Yes, I am following these CPUs closely, but the price is still far from reasonable.
2697v3 3.6ghz all cores in games
I have Xeon E5-2697. Use it for gaming too. It's pretty solid. Has good benchmarks.
I now have the new GPU Radeon 6750XT. So far so good
@@hjq0023I wanna get this CPU too. Would you recommend turning off the H.T? Thanks.
@@brianwong6562 what's H.T.?
Your find with the renderer worker count setting on MW is very interesting.
I find the same happens with my Ryzen 4800H, an 8 core 16 thread CPU. Modifying the value down to 6 VS 16 makes the usage stay around 50% and the clock speeds stay low for the same FPS. Meanwhile. maxing it out to 12+ the usage and clock speeds go up but no FPS improvement, also the FPS fluctuates much more. I'll keep this in mind for the Xeon I am getting later and keep the setting at 10.
Do with 2699 v4 plz
Love your videos I got all of my xeon knowledge by watching your videos and plus you have an amazing personality.
Thank you for the support, I really appreciate it.
I love your content. The numbers, graphics, and all data is your strong point. You're smart bro this is the reason because you are not saying the same things that the rest of you tube about xeons.
Thanks Adiel. I am trying to base my theory on top of the facts and don't align the facts to fit my theory 😃.
thank you for your review you have definitely helped me to put things into perspective.
Great review.
Awaiting the 2697v3.
Very good work! It's getting better as the time goes by. Congrats!
Thanks Vitor!
This is the way! Great work as always!
Upgraded to E5-2696v3 from 2678v3 on HZ X99TF. Sold the 2678; net upgrade cost....$16!!!! Sixteen bucks, delivered...for an 18 core/36 thread CPU that turbo's to 3.8Ghz. All core...will usually bounce around 3.2Ghz...sometimes, for short periods it will hit 3.6Ghz. A couple of cores will hit the topline on certain applications. Basically, with TU it's limited only by the TDP of 145W. It's a beast.
Temperatures...it runs fairly cool...not even close to generating the heat of something like my venerable X79 E5-1680v2 OC to 4.5Ghz. Basically, a decent 6x6mm 120mm fan cooler (e.g. Snowman) will do the job. Mine has the PCCooler GI-D66A, with a TDP rating of 230W. [e.g., with CPU-Z and multi-threaded stress after 5min with Ambient at 20C, the HWinfo64 Coremax T=50C, the package T= 50C, and CoreT=48C. CPU pkg=131W; Dist to TjMax=30C].
For the money, and if you already own an X99 MB and either DDR3 or DDR4...it's a no brainer upgrade. Current price hovers around $50 for the E5-2696V3. Unbelieveable!
Concise and thorough, great work!
Might throw one in my HP Z440. Cheers brother.
I love that comment on Call of Duty, designed for multicore but doesn't use them for usefull work! Just brilliant love your channel.
I would have run both systems on the same memory speed and see if that makes a difference.
It would make a huge impact. Ryzen CPU officially supports at least DDR4-2933, thus I see no reason to downclock it to DDR3-2133.
still waiting for affordable v3 or v4 to replace dual v2 config
Miyconst, I have learned a lot from your channel! Congrats from Brazil
Thank you for the support from Sweden.
@@Miyconst Not only your technical content and scientific approach is great, but you are also an inspiration for other aspiring content creators like myself! By the way, I work with some aerodynamics software (open source from NASA) and are my real use cases. They do allow running on multiple cores, and maybe this could be a fun / interesting benchmark for people who use their workstations for CAE / Engineering applications. If you would like, I could prepare a case study and send it to yout. The executables i can send you a link directly from NASA, so there is no safety risk for you. Let me know! Cheers!
@ this sounds very interesting! Feel free to contact me through Discord or my email: miyconst@gmail.com
Can you please use larger numbers and letters for the results and choose the labels so that they can be better recognized on the smartphone? 🙏
Are you talking about the graphs or about the overlay in games? I will surely try to adjust, but I need to understand what to adjust.
I already have a gaming Pc but this channel makes me want to build a Xeon rig with rtx 3050
For quite some time i was thinking of upgrading to 2697 v3 from 2678v3. Please do a video about it :)
I think that i can sell my 2678 v3 easily, but much cheaper 🤔
I will see what I can do.
Your doing a great job. Heaps of details. Thank you
to bad he supports nazis.
I have been thinking of you to benchmark this CPU for a year !
You do an outstanding job of testing! I have become very interested in older Xeon processors in recent months. So much so that I purchased a Dell Precision 5600 workstation and have been upgrading it. Prices are just so high right now and this prebuilt was only a couple hundred dollars US. Eventually I would like to build something using a higher end Xeon and the information you have provided is very greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the support!
I finally got into the Xeon community… just got a 2696 v3. Gotta get an x99 board. Just want to make a fun 18 core pc. I’ve already got an i7 8700k, a Ryzen 7 5700g, and an i9 9900k.
Welcome to the fun! Xeon road might be bumpy though.
Looking forward to see your QTB2 review. It seems really nice for the price, I hope it does well, I might consider buying one.
Unfortunately, QTB2 review is cancelled, I have mixed packages, the one which arrived is QTB1.
@@Miyconst sad news :( but still thank you for your work!
considering that 5600x is running whopping 39% or ~1.2ghz faster, this xeon shows an amazing performance. At equal clockspeed it would be actually slightly faster than 5600x, which you wouldnt think of especially that this xeon is like 6 years older than 5600x. I wonder which is the biggest factor for this xeon, cpu cache advantage? per core latency? memory bandwidth?
6 vs 16 cores ??
@@xolox2k core count itself does not help in this case here (games)
@@xolox2k hes obviously delusional lol
Doesn’t really work that way. The Xeon has diminished returns with higher clock. Also, the Ryzen is sipping power at higher performance compared to the older Xeon.
Very interesting! Thank you.
i dont have xeons nor ryzens..i come here to like your videos...
Well done! Thanks for the video. Greetings from Turkey.
Hello. As always, awesome videos! Really thanks for your work :)
I would really like to see gaming numbers with TDP unlock. I think having higher per core frequency will be a huge advantage for games.
Are you talking about Xeon or Ryzen? Asking because I think I have demonstrated pretty clear that for Xeon the "TDP unlock" does not do what you expect it to do.
@@Miyconst I swear I've seen someone unlock TDP on this Xeon with a BIOS mod. You lose full control over power and it will draw as much as it can (obviously risky). It did result in no TDP limitation and full turbo boost working as expected - at the risk that you also named in this video. I understand you don't want to give this to people who can break their hardware or set their house on fire, but I'd still like to see the gaming performance when it's done that way.
It may have been on a video by Craft Computing. He explained what he modified in the BIOS to achieve this.
You are mixing two things. Craft Computing (the same as me in another video) unlocked TDP for CPUs with unlocked multiplier. These settings have no effect with locked CPUs, such as every E5-26XX. There is a hack, which disables TDP readings for E5-26XX V3 CPUs, but as I showed in the video, this hack doesn't actually help with the frequency in this case.
@@Miyconst thanks for the clarification!
I'm sold, going to be building a server with x2 of these E5 2698's as my AIO home server. Price to performance for my use case is just too good to pass up. I can actually buy the Xeons, can't get a 5600x or anything else for that matter, and the 32 physical cores vs 6 I'll have will handle my VM's and Docker images beautifully.
Seems like you have a good use case for these Xeons.
Wonder how the Ryzen would perform at 3.2 GH.
For my fellow miners, the Xeon 2699 gets 26mh on Verus vs a Ryzen 5 5600x3d that gets 16mh. So for processing power the 18 cores off the xeon trumps the 6 off the ryzen.
To me, XEON makes sense if:
1) you already own (or have access to a really cheap) X99 motherboard;
2) you already own (or have access to a really cheap) low speed DDR4 (~2133MHz);
3) you can benefit mostly from multi-core/productivity use-cases.
Absent all of the above, INTEL i3/i5 gen 13 (or 12) or Ryzen (e.g. 5600X, 5600G, etc. with a decent AM4 compatible motherboard) makes more sense.
I own the E5-2696v3 w/X99TF + 64GB DDR4 (3200MHz). It's a terrific system for my needs and I was able to build it relatively "on the cheap". CPU @$51 (delivered) + X99TF @ $50 + 64GB DDR4 @ $80. System pairs well with an RTX 2080Ti (used,
xeon 2699 v3 and v4 are the goat tho for multi-task tasking or video editing which i like
hi miyconst, months ago I unlocked the turbo boost using your tool, I saw that you just released an update of the tool with bios for the tbu using the s3turbo driver, I am on x99-f8 and 2620v3 with the tbu done, it is advisable to change bios for that new one for my motherboard ?? If so, which bios do you recommend using, remember that I am with the -50mv / -50 mv bios which is the most stable for the 2620v3, thanks
There is no advice or recommendation to replace the BIOS. If you want to play around and try to get a bit more performance out of your CPU, you can do that by using the PEI -70/50 driver option, but you can also leave everything as is.
thanks, i had a LGA 2011 X99 board that ive had zero use for because its I7-6850K is barely better than my 4790K but with 2x the power consumption, so i think im going to just go full pepega now and pop a 2698 V3 in it and see how that goes since i can snag one for 50 usd.
you are like the goto for xeon cpu workstation
Great channel! What about 2687w v4? It's TDP is up to 160 watts
It has a very unreasonable price tag.
Yes. But only when the CPU usage is 100%
Great Videos!!! Can you pleasee tell me which E5 is the best for gaming? i watched many of your videos and im confused now,haha.
I assume you are asking for the best performance with reasonable price. In that case it's E5-2696 V3 with only 12-14 Cores, TBU, and undervolting.
@@Miyconst Yes, i was asking for that,thank you!
I have one more question,i have 3 motherboard options under 30$:
Lenovo ThinkStation P510 Motherboard LGA 2011 DDR4
HP Z620 Workstation Motherboard LGA2011
Dell Precision T5810 Motherboard Socket LGA2011
which one should i buy,or maybe you know better option in this price ratio?
p.s. i can use taobao if needed
Hi, thank you so much for your great work. I have a question, maybe you will find time to answer. I have the i7-6800k + Macho B on the MSI X99A SLI Plus + 32Gb Vengeance LPX 3000MHZ CL15.
Primarily for rendering in After Effects. Not so long ago, they introduced multi-frame rendering in AE, which uses all cores, so theoretically, the upgrade should significantly speed up the work. Additionally, photo processing in Capture One, video Premiere Pro, maybe Blender / Daz render in the future.
I am considering replacing the processor with the i7-6950X or E5-2699v3 (with unlock ofcourse), which I can get for similar money (~200$).
Which do you think would be better for these tasks?
Kind regards. Slava Ukraini!
Hi. I do not use Adobe applications, thus I can't provide accurate information, but I can suggest you to monitor your CPU usage during your work and see what's going on. If you see all CPU cores constantly loaded - upgrade will be a good speed up, if you see only some cores used with a single core topping at 100% utilization, then Xeon will be a downgrade.
New mic arrived? Nice!
Yep! I am glad you have noticed that. 🍻
how is the IPC of Haswell Xeon compared to the 1st Gen Zen and Zen+ architecture ??
Miyconst, can you tell which xeon 269* v3 to take?
Take a good one. Seriously though, I can't suggest anything without knowing your needs, budget, and so on.
@@Miyconst i am currently picking between 2690v3, 2696 v3 and 2699 v3 mainly for gaming
@@RandoomGuy_GD take E5-2696 V3 and disable some cores.
@@Miyconst Thanks!
Well, I would use this for a workstation, but unfortunately, it only supports DDR-4 and that costs double the price of DDR-3 ECC. :S With a couple of hundred gigs of ram needed it counts a great deal.
I would imagine a Xeon E5 - 2696 v3 with turbo boost unlock running at 3.8ghz with undervolting will basically match the Ryzen 5600x in most of the gaming benchmarks and out perform in all the other benchmarks.
I run with this CPU, Turbo unlocked it with the Mi899 tool. It is a beast...but it does not sustain 3.8Ghz all core (18 cores) and is ultimately limited by the TDP of 145W (with short power limited to 125% of TDP cap). That being said...all core can reach around 3.4Ghz+ and bounces to 3.8Ghz at times. However, it never runs steady all-core at 3.8Ghz. As for temperatures under stress and the CPU cooled with air (tower is 6x6mm with dual 120mm)...at or below 52C with a 20C ambient temp.
Note: certain games (like WoT) seems to run at higher all core clocks than the benchmarks and stress tests.
@@jb678901 thanks for the reply, I’m planning to build another PC soon and debating between newer pc or something like the E5-2696v3, it’s so much cheaper to go with this cpu then the new ones. Full pc built out for under $300 where as with new cpus, the cpu along can cost almost $300. Still debating on if I should go dual or single core, since the CPU’s are so cheap.
@@ChidiOable My work load does not require a dual CPU MB and configuration, so I cannot speak intelligently about the Pro's and Con's. I do recall a couple of TH-cam videos on this subject, usually with E5-2699v3...a comparable CPU only differentiated by the max turbo (3.6 vs 3.8Ghz) and DDR4 only (as opposed to 2696v3, which is compatible with either DDR3 or DDR4). Under stable all core clocks, both of these CPU's are very comparable and with same TDP limits. 2699 may even be cheaper!
I suppose it depends on what you may already own in terms of RAM, Motherboard, Power Supply, CPU cooler. If everything were to be purchased from scratch...Ryzen or even a 12 or 13 gen i3/i5 might be interesting.
That being said, for me it was a VERY effective upgrade from 2678v3 and DDR3 to 2696v3 and DDR4. After selling off the replaced CPU/RAM, the cash out was about $30. Incredible value IMHO.
I am not breaking any benchmark records with this setup...but it is still a monster workhorse. Power wise...acceptable too!
@@jb678901 Thanks for the reply, that’s a lot of really good info. Appreciate it 🙏
hey brother love ur vids. Xeon E3-1271 v3 or Ryzen 3600x. Which one should i buy and also recommend cheap motherboard for these processor
Definitely the Ryzen! To recommend a motherboard I need to know what to pick from.
@@Miyconst a320
B450
B550
My budget is low.
@@Miyconst another thing brother.
What will be the performance if i use E3-1271 v3 with RX 5500XT
How much fps in games like shadow of the tomb raider
@@abdulmanansiddique-ws1hd E3-1271 V3 is a quad core CPU from the past, I would only recommend it if you absolutely have to go with it, otherwise Ryzen is better.
@@Miyconst you are right. Depends on budget. What will be the fps or performance. If i use xeon
Thanks for your videos!, which one v3 xeon has the best performance for gaming?
It would be overclocked E5-1660 V3 from the ones I have tested.
@@Miyconst thanks, greetings from Chile, you help me a lot!!!
Did you mount a passive vrm heatsink instead of the 2 fans at 0:40? Can you please tell me where did you buy it?
Yes, I have replaced the annoying fans with an M.2 heatsink. I didn't replace the VRM heatsink, just removed the fans from the Huananzhi heatsink and injected into that place a heatsink from an M.2 SSD.
Hi, great vid. Quick question, I have a Lenovo p510 with a e5-1630v4. It has 3.7 clock by low cores and threads. Would this CPU be a good upgrade?
As far as I know it's a real pain to implement Turbo Boost Unlock with Lenovo PCs, thus I would rather pick a V4 CPU upgrade, for example E5-2690 V4.
@@Miyconst thanks for that.
Не, ну чётко, всё по делу! Согласен!
Can you possibly bypass the 135W limit? That would be cool to get it up to 180 or something so you can get 3.5-3.6 across all 16 cores
No, unfortunately that doesn't work like that.
another possibility is to turn off sets of cpu cores to see if you can get the turbo boost to go higher on all the rest of the cores, it could mean more or less performance in cpu bound tasks like blender renders. I noticed its slightly faster to run 10 cores on my 2678v3 with the all core hack than with 12 for that reason.
Yes,. Disabling cores does give a nice boost in clock speeds. I have a 2698v3 running with only 12 cores (no HT) and as long as I don't hit TDP, they all stay at 3.5 to 3.6. I also have a FSB at 104.25 and the clocks hit around 3.751ghz. only thing holding me back is TDP 🥺
@@whimsicalsociety119 how about fps in games? Give me a few examples for popular games. Is gaming at almost 3.8 ghz good or just average?
@@daddyalpha2648 unfortunately my FPS numbers won't be very meaningful as I am still stuck on a R7 370 GPU (yeaaa GPU market!). OW is what I still mostly play and my fps avg 140fps (up from ~70fps with my old Xeon 5660 @4.4ghz, same GPU). One positive is that I have 40MB L3 cache available with this chip so that could be giving me better results.
@@daddyalpha2648 just for giggles... I just ran a Shadow of Tomb Raider benchmark and my avg GPU FPS was 26! 😭 However, Cpu game was avg of 119 (95% 104) and Cpu render was 170 (95% 139). Hope that helps!
@@whimsicalsociety119 so if I disable 2 cores that makes it 12 cores and disable HT I should get constant 3.7-3.8 ghz on all 12 cores?
Miyconst, does the SLEEP function works well on 2698v3 xeon's? My previous 2640v3 suspend correctly at my huananzhi x99 f8 board with s3mod -70mv/50 but I just mounted my 2698v3 and SLEEP work but PC don't awake later I do it :(
Keep up the work good work bro !!!!👏👏👍👍👍
Thanks Ken!
I have an I7 5820K, what motherboard and video card would you recommend for it? Thank you very much for your videos, greetings from Argentina.
I assume you are looking for a Chinese motherboard, in this case it's Huananzhi X99-F8, and for the video card.. nothing is in stock, so get whatever you will be able to buy for a reasonable price.
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Multiple frequency drops on Xeon E5-2698 V3!
In game benchmarks under 3Ghz sometimes.
Did you use uncore undervolting in your Turbo unlock method?
FFS driver with uncore undervolting can give 3.2-3.3Ghz in load on Xeon E5-2678 V3, but with only core undervolting 2678 V3 get drops under 3Ghz too
I used the standard drivers with CPU and IMC undervolting. Uncore was untouched.
Whats your thought on Dell Precision T7810 Workstation or other workstations
Depends on the price. If you get one for cheap then it's a good deal, it can be upgraded / tuned for decent performance.
Dear, great movie. Do You know how to unlock x99 for V4 CPU?
It's not possible with V4 CPUs.
What are you thoughts on HP Z440 workstations? They are rather inexpensive for a full system: MB, PSU, decent case, etc.
Can turbo boost unlock be done with it?
Z440 is not a bad machine, but I have not tested one yet, thus I can't tell if Turbo-Boost Unlock works.
if you see the diference in the memory frequencies the xeon is still a beast.
Please tell what was the real all core turbo on the Xeon during multi-threading program test (without AVX2 drop)!
It depends on the workload and the duration, it's not possible to answer the question with a single digit.
I know that this cpu cannot reach 3.6ghz on all cores, but what if you disable some cores, what do you think would benefit you more 16 cores at a lower speed or 12 or 10 at 3.6ghz ? I found out that there is a bios setting for that but in my case I cannot do any benchmark because my computer is not stable if I'm using less cores than what I have.
Disabling some Cores helps the CPU to keep slightly higher clocks which results into a tiny bit better gaming performance, but the overall picture does not change.
Nice video, please can you do a video on the Xeon E5 2697 V3 ?
I will see what I can do.
really great content! thanks 👍
Are there some apps used for benchmarking which show the significant difference in memory bandwidth? As i remind me the E5 have twice the memory channels.
You can use Aida64 memory test to validate the memory bandwidth.
Hi, what should I get, the e2697v3 or the 2698v3, which is better/faster? I want to use it for games, and mainly for work
Both are decent options. If the price is the same, I would go with E5-2698 V3 and disable a few cores for higher clocks in games.
Can you test xeon e5 v4 processors as those are also now available on aliexpress and if those will work with the x99 boards?
I have already tested E5-2620 V4 and E5-2680 V4. With the current prices these V4 CPUs make little to no sense.
Im also curious to know how to use that new patch method for other bioses. Is there a way since I have a x99 taichi?
Here is a tutorial, you can use Google Translate: xeon-e5450.ru/socket-2011-3/e5-2600-v3/dobavlyaem-anlok-v-bios-raz-i-navsegda-cherez-s3turbotool/
@@Miyconst Fantastic thank you!
Hi, thanks for the video.
But what about the E5-2698 V4 ? It is also very cheap
The cheapest I can find is more than 550 Euros, I don't consider this to be cheap.
@@Miyconst Please check this link: www.aliexpress.com/item/32871926381.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.65883c002gFhVU&mp=1
This is an Engineering Sample with unknown capabilities and unknown compatibility with different X99 motherboards.
2698 V3 now is 25€ 😉
Do you think a Broadwell (Xeon E5 v4) would do much better compared to the v3 (shown in this video) and the 5600X? It supports DDR4-2400 which is a 12.5% improvement from 2133MT, which looks like a huge limiting factor versus the 3400MT paired 5600X shown here.
Since all of these Xeons are pretty much the same price (next to nothing) from China now, it seems helpful to identify which ones from a giant list of SKUs can give substantially better performance.
What I gather:
E5 v2 = Ivy Bridge = DDR3-1600, 22nm, reduced instruction set, older socket compatibility, not ideal
E5 v3 = Haswell = DDR4-2133, 22nm, Adds a ton of modern instruction sets over v2
E5 v4 = Broadwell = DDR4-2400, 14nm, better process so should be more power efficient
There are lots of tests on the channel. In short: no, V4 aren't better because they aren't compatible with TBU.
why did you disable SAM on the 5600? kinda strange to kneecap it in a cpu vs cpu test
Do you mean Smart Access Memory? As far as I remember the games were tested with it enabled.
You are hero my friend
Do you have to undervolt xeons? I ask because you bring it up as if it's normal - I've only ever messed with i7's so I'm new to the Xeon world
You don't have to, but undervolting helps these CPUs reach higher clocks when Turbo Boost Unlock is implemented.
RYZEN 5 5600X VS RYZEN 5 3600X VS E5 2698V3 OU E5 2699V3 (TH-ON VS TH-OFF TURBO-UNLOCK) LIKEE
is simple 3600X is just 6 core .. good for games .. the 5600X is 6core monster the difference between the 2698 and 2699 is note big ...
Awesome video bud
bro there is so much xeons and idk what xeon e5 i should get for the best perfomance in games
Better get LGA 1700 or AM4 solution. The best Xeon will cost you more than that.
Xeons are server CPU's not meant for gaming but you can still game on them. I just got the 2660V4 and 2650V4 since my X99 motherboard is garbage and I don't want to burn up the VRM. :)
Quite interesting test!
Hello, do you believe turbo unlock could be achieved for this CPU on X99-QD4? Have tried your Mi899 but only goes up to 3200/3300 in multicore. I understand this is due to a limitation of cpu/mobo combo. Maybe with an asus X99 mobo it could reach 3600 or maybe not...judging for the start of this video
The CPU hits TDP limitation. You need to reduce voltage and maybe disable some cores. The behavior is identical on Asus or Huananzhi boards, it's a CPU limitation.
@@Miyconst i reduced this up to -100 with now success, i have the -50 now. So what cpu is the sweet spot between ghz/cache/cores??
@@johnk7134the sweet stop is E5-2697 V3, but E5-2696 V3 with some cores disabled is the best.