For number 10, it just occurred to me that Ellie does the exact same thing that the NPCs do when they beg for mercy, TWICE. She gets curbstomped, gets spared, then when she’s free she just bumrushes back after them. And then she does it again. She’s that NPC. Almost makes me wonder if that’s what they intended when they put in that mechanic.
I never saw the surrender animation ether because it played while they where behind cover (a lot of wounding shots where made while enemy’s took cover) or I made sure the last bullet fired killed my target, never giving a chance for the animation in the first place.
Kinda sucks the game pushes that you the play are the bad guy for killing these people when it not only railroads you on that story but punishes you for not being merciless.
Yeah pretty much have to save Wrex, cure the genophage, and save the Salarian Councilor. But to do that, you have to have a loyal Thane survive ME2 and meet them at the hospital. I did it on my last playthrough
@@bigg1nger249I don’t know about that. I had a loyal Thane, but he was dying so I let him lead the one charge in the suicide mission that they said it was impossible to survive. I still ended up with Krogan and Salarian support.
This makes me think of a good future video idea. Top choices that are worth knowing ahead of time, spoiler be damned. Could be as simple as “don’t use this item right away”
The Last of Us 2: We're trying to teach you that violence is bad and that the cycle of violence should be broken Also The Last of Us 2: If you try and break the cycle of violence for an NPC we'll put a bullet in your back Gotta love that consistency 😂
i was kinda dissapointed at that too but i get it. how will you program this like what is the NPC supposed to do after you spared him? stay sit on the ground and crying? going back to his routine patrol? run away? where to tho? its not an open world. they probably could've found a way but i understand why they didnt.
Somewhat amusing bit on the elden ring patches, if you find him by the rocks before following the rainbow stones- he just gets nervous and throws up a generic 'nothing to see here' line. Doesnt kick you off the ledge afterward either.
In Final Fantasy 6, showing mercy to Lone Wolf can get you a Gold Hairpin but screws you out of recruiting Mog. You should never show mercy to anyone holding cute cuddly creatures hostage in the first place!
It's less a case of showing mercy and more a case of choosing who to save, Lone Wolf or Mog. Lone Wolf falls either way and ends up surviving, you just don't get the relic if you choose to save Mog. The worst part is the Gold Hairpin is extremely useful since it halves the MP cost of all magic spells.
It can be countered though when you get the Celestiad from a Brachiosaur reducing MP cost to 1. They’re somewhat hard to get but thankfully with a good team setup these enemies fall rather easily.
It really isn't a decision though. You cannot, with exception of the GBA version, get all of Mog's dance skills if you do not recruit him at that point in World of Balance. His underwater skill (from Serpent Trench WoB) is also above average when it comes to dances as well. Not to mention that you really don't need mp conservation in the first half of the game. Ethers aren't too bad to buy a bunch of if you really do need more mana.
Falcon, your narration is just the best. I laughed so hard with the "oh, he got the upper hand on me AGAIN" 😂Much love to all the GR crew and community.
Should have put sparing the Asari in Virmire, If you spare her in both Mass effect and Mass effect 2, She gets indoctrinated by the reapers in 3 and goes on a mini killing spree. Technically not her or Sheperds fault but the outcome ends up being the worst if you spare her.
Technically yes but its one of the many times where bioware forgot to add negative consequences for a bad paragon decision. All you get is an email to make you feel guilty but you dont lose any war assets.
#10 I think Skyrim does this too. So glad you mentioned #6. The game is full of nonstandard fights, and deserves to be called out for the oddball of chaotic genuis it can be.
That's what kinda annoys me about Skyrim. I prefer to spare people who surrender in games but there's no point in doing that since they'll all just attack you again once they regain enough health
@@soleil1125There's mods for that. The Abduction mod, I tie up the surrendered or the ones I sneak up on. Dread Prison pairs well with it, as you can send almost anyone there.
I remember a few random encounters in red dead redemption 2 where if you decide to help the person they either try to steal your horse or try to rob you at gunpoint and in one of them the night folk ambush you.
@@tubensalat1453 This is such a great mechanic and makes the world feel even more grounded as obviously there'll people who try to take advantage of good natured people.
Who worship a trio of hags working with the Wild Hunt, and sacrifice their children to those hags, because their too stubborn to move to somewhere less crap.
Dead Rising 2. You save one of the same people that framed you for the zombie outbreak, he gets bitten and literally begs you for some rare zombrex and if you give it to him the jerk kidnaps both your daughter and love interest and forces you into a tough as nails showdown as the final boss of the game.
5:54 I consider the abductor virgin tip good advice because it leads to an otherwise inaccessible boss fight which earns you a reward (necessary to get the collect everything trophy) and also gives a means to speed run the game by taking you from central liurnia all the way to mount gelmir.
Why go with that military readiness stuff for the Mass Effect entry? A far better example was that time in ME2's Thane recruitment mission where you find an Asari hiding in one of the rooms, and if you do the Paragon thing and let her go you later find out she was a psychotic murderer.
Also the Asari scientist that was working in Sarens krogan cloning lab in ME 1 is a good example. If you spare her in the first game you find her again in number 2 working in Okeers cloning facility, and if you let her go again she runs like hell because she is scared of you blowing the place up like you did the first time, but she escapes unharmed. Then in 3 you find out that being around sarens facility was enough to indocteinate her and she assasinates a bunch of high profile people who were organizing resistance to the reapers before also killing herslef.
I just posted this one too. I did the paragon thing and later found her recording about how murderous she was…lesson learned…Renegade path it is then.😂
"What, he's giving me his -energy- mercy and left me... maybe this is a sign... maybe I should change... maybe this is my second and last chance... maybe I was wrong... nah!" -proceeds to attack you in the exact same way that got them to beg for mercy in the first place, with no change of tactics.
Conan Exiles probably has the most evil option when it comes to sparing enemies. Club some guy or gal over the head with a truncheon, then you drag them via a rope to the wheel of pain, which you then force your prisoner to push until they break mentally. All of this so you can recruit them to run around with you.
You can spare wrex and still get salarian support in mass effect 3, in mass effect 1 you have to save councilors at the end and after that in mass effect 3 you basically save them again and you get full salarian support right after right along with more support from the turians and asaris, either way sparing him and then saving the councilors in me1 is honestly the best outcome for me3
No you dont. Sabotaging the cure gets you the Salarian 1st fleet which is their most valuable asset. Your route is for the 3rd fleet. Best outcome for the Galaxy is to sabotage the cure as Krogan reproduction numbers are way too fucking high.
Another good one SPOLIERS- Bloodborne and the Suspicious Beggar. Spare him, send him in the cathedral with all the NPCs you went through the trouble of rescuing and what do you get for it? He slays all of them one by one .
patchs in Elden Ring sold me some really good stuff that helped lock down Margot during the fight and he is still a vender for me after that first major boss fight
I haven't viewed past the intro, yet I simply know I'm going to enjoy this. You guys come up with the most interesting premises about which to discuss games and gaming! So I'm thinking these games take our kindness for weakness, eh? Funny stuff and laughter will help me digest my dinner. 😄
I've fell victim to tactics ogre. I've spared them and in the end my favorite character whom I want to recruit died. I won't tell her name to avoid spoilers for those who haven't played this game yet
The Witcher 3 free add-on quest "Where the Wolf and the Cat Play": If you choose to fight the injured Cat School Witcher, he'll ask if you'll let him take a healing potion first so it's a fair contest. If you agree, he instead hits you with a stunbomb that blinds you from the start of the fight for a bit.
Fun fact: You don't have to shoot Wrex, you could simply decide to never talk to him since he is the only one that is not forced upon to become a crew member you unlike Garrus or Tali. Part 2 and 3 then simply progress the same way as when Shephard respectively Ashley) kills him. Furthermore if you decide to destroy Malon's data in part 2, you then can convince Mordin in part 3 to play along with the betrayal of the krogans (because Eve being dead and Wreav being a maniac) and he will actually not sacrifice himself, but rather work just pretend to die and move on to work on the Crucible.
Reminds me of Record of Agarest War, where the morality system felt extremely arbitrary. Not only is it 'evil' to go "elves age slower than humans? I wonder how old this elf is, then?", but it's ALSO 'evil' to go around an enemy fort and convince them they're surrounded to try to make them surrender peacefully instead of throwing away the lives of your soldiers in a frontal assault.
Easy solution for every game: "Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy" If the enemy still resists, strike firster, strike harder and show even less mercy!
Man, I always go across the street in that GTA IV mission to where the crane is a climb up to the top. You can easily snipe Clarence so the mission is uber quick. Totally forgot about this mercy option confrontation.
On the contrary, long time FromSoftware players usually don’t get butthurt about Patches and keep him around for the familiarity and memes and benefits. All the areas he hints and tricks you into in Elden Ring are actually beneficial to you. It’s all in the framing.
In Megaten, you can have good outcomes by being merciful, it depends if their are good or evil, your level and the moon phase. So it s more complicated than what Falcon says when it s arbitrary.
With The Last of Us Part 2 they could have EASILY made that game mechanic matter. Have Ellie show mercy throughout the game, and the ending makes sense. Have her ruthlessly murder everyone.. get an ending where her rage, and hatred consumed her. Which could have made the game way better better.
When joel did what he did. we didnt get a choice. So why should we get choice now? TLOU is not a choice game. Its about the characters and their emotional complex...this mechanic they could have dropped it. It messes with the dehumanization aspect of factions in the story, but other than that, i have no problem with it. It rarely happens...
Ellie didn’t let Abby go because of mercy. She did it because Abby had no value to her once she realized killing her would not solve her trauma. That’s why she broke down on the beach.
@@Fonzzz002 It's kind of strange in any game where there are choices and one is very clearly non-canon. It kind of makes that part of the story pointless. Kind of like how the entire Iorveth path in the Witcher 2 becomes non-canon as a result of Witcher 3.
Except you get the best armor in Elden Ring if you keep sparing Patches. And your "punishments" are getting sent to areas you would have ended up on your own anyways. There is literally no benefit to killing him.
True. More importantly, the teleport to Volcano manor is a good way to save time, and get to better smiting stones faster. I think this Patches is more a subversion of expectations, than a backstabber
Also, if you're role playing as a "good" character, the teleport is the only way to fight Rykard without having to go through the murderous Volcano Manor questline. Granted, you don't actually need Patches' advice for that if you know what you're doing, but lorewise, he's at least "technically" correct with what he tells you.
Was kinda expecting to see the "Clean House" mission from MW 2019 on here. There's a couple points in that mission where sparing a life gets you killed. Especially at the end
You should mention for the Mass Effect Wrex one that Wrex turns on you in Mads Effect 3 if you betray him. Wrex has been a fair and loyal friend, accurately measuring his duty to his people and you for three games. His reaction is based on your actions, betraying him, in Mass Eefect 3.
I remember something similar happening in Ogre Battle 64. Made the choice that seemed the most morally correct and your beloved allies hate you for it and end up fighting you. It's been several years so I don't remember the details.
Not sure if these count but in Dragon Age 2 if you show Marethari mercy during the quest A New Path then you'll have to fight the boss again with Merrill injured because Marethari stabs her, though the boss will only have 1/3 of the health it had instead of full health. Also in Fallout 4 if you spare Danse during Blind Betrayal, then any time you have Danse as your companion the Brotherhood of Steel will attack you on sight.
I, too, was massively affected by the massive waves caused by the Mass Effect one. My mass of emotions for Wrex massly outweighed my massive wanting to save the mass of the galaxy from the massive horror of the Reapers.
Regarding that first one with Last of Us Pt 2. In Call of Duty WWII's campaign, there will be moments where the Nazi soldiers will actually SURRENDER and the game actually suggests that you just take them in and capture them, instead of well...gun down a soldier, (even if it's a Nazi), who is surrendering. If you capture them, you don't get a bullet in the back for it. In fact I think the game sort of rewards you in some capacity for doing that. (Like an achievement maybe, it's been years).
The mercy situation in TLOU2 doesn't just make the contrived story even more contrived but is inherently contrived itself because the game doesn't give you the option to take their weapons. It means either Ellie is an idiot who spares heartless terrorists without taking their weapons or she uses basic common sense by just killing them but gets portrayed as a monster by the story for doing it.
As a first time Fromsoft player with Elden Ring, my impression of Patches is so radically different from Fromsoft vets. His tricks were so obvious I never fell for them and so I never developed a reason to hate him. In fact by the end of his questline he seemed like someone desperate to believe in something in a hopeless world and that he had become a friend and believer in a Tarnished, me, actually taking the throne.
Number 5 is wrong, if you saved the salarian council member, they will still give you support, there is still a small advantage but it rarley will effect the outcome
I never get full Salarian support in Mass Effect 3 so sparing Wrex never caused me any issues. One that did was sparing the Asari receptionist in the lab complex.
This video just came up in my recommendations. As a number 11, I'd add "fable: the lost chapters" because if you spare a lost villager that was bitten in the forest he turns into a balverine later and turns on you
Also, just yesterday i was playing Gta V and using trevor for the first time. That mission where he wiped out a whole biker gang. When he got back to a guy in a trailer, after he rammed it into the river I had the option to show him mercy, but I'm playing as Trevor, I blasted him instantly 😂
Game developers do this because hundreds of thousands of people have been brainwashed by the very phrase you mentioned: No good deed goes unpunished. Well, we simply need to stop thinking like that and instead think: No evil deed goes unpunished and All good deeds get rewarded.
You should have added Disco Elysium… Literally EVERYONE lies to you if you are a merciful character. It also becomes impossible to get the true ending.
Ash of Gods - Redemption … great European story PC game a La Banner Saga … if you are merciful all the time it’s a real hard slog! It’s the apocalypse so you need to rob merchants to survive and let some party members die … tough calls
One moment that is kinda similar to this is: In Detroit: Become Human when you use a gun in the beginning of the game and decide to intimidate the person (Daniel) instead of executing them immediately, you say: "It's up to you how this story ends." And he just shoots you 😅 It's realistic but come on dude, I was trying to be all epic and cool 😩
Usually I'll be lenient and show some mercy from time to time in certain video games, but way back on my first playthrough of GTA IV I could sense the deceiving tone in Clarence's voice and knew it was the better choice to finish him off. Sure enough, I soon found out after reading about the choices online that I made the right decision.
Concerning #10 Perfect Dark on the N64 had this but better. You could disarm opponents with melee attacks and then they would either throw hands up and or pull out at pistol when you'd turn away. Some would indeed actually retreat completely out of the combat if I remember correctly.
Currently playing Ready or Not. Had a few times someone gets shot (usually by beanbag rounds), drop their gun and surrender, only to pull out a knife when I come close to handcuff them. Their skull then gets caved in by a beanbag round at point blank. Its called LESS lethal for a reason.
From Mass Effect I saw a video that the difference between having Wrex with only Krogan support and no Wrex with Salarian and Krogan support is 65 points. I would've called out Mass Effect 2. If you rewrite the Geth rather than blowing them up then the point difference can go down 300, which is something you don't want. A Paragon move, or mercy, that'll screw you over more in the long run. Besides it's closer to saving Wrex or Mordin, nobody really cares about Salarian support.
I once showed a grunt in Halo mercy when he ran away and he came back with an Elite and 4 other grunts I never felt so betrayed…
😅
But how do you know it's the same grunt could be just another one who looked like him?
@@KratosisGod so they all look the same to you?! Nah just kidding but I guess that could be a real possibility but that grunt had revenge in his eyes
@@logieagogie 😂
If they're as loyal to their cause as I am to mine, they'll be back, and it's gonna be bad news
For number 10, it just occurred to me that Ellie does the exact same thing that the NPCs do when they beg for mercy, TWICE. She gets curbstomped, gets spared, then when she’s free she just bumrushes back after them. And then she does it again. She’s that NPC. Almost makes me wonder if that’s what they intended when they put in that mechanic.
I actually never looked at it that way. Nice catch!
I never saw the surrender animation ether because it played while they where behind cover (a lot of wounding shots where made while enemy’s took cover) or I made sure the last bullet fired killed my target, never giving a chance for the animation in the first place.
Kinda sucks the game pushes that you the play are the bad guy for killing these people when it not only railroads you on that story but punishes you for not being merciless.
"Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves!" -- Poseidon
Well said 💯
@@doruanadenuran5906 untill someone decides to realize that saying in real life
@@Aymen19827 Eeyup.
@@Aymen19827 nah, its still the same even then
@@Philocyb1n how
You can spare Wrex and still secure Salarian and Krogon military support in ME3.
I did but it wasn't easy.
Yeah pretty much have to save Wrex, cure the genophage, and save the Salarian Councilor. But to do that, you have to have a loyal Thane survive ME2 and meet them at the hospital. I did it on my last playthrough
It’s actually super easy. Shouldn’t have made the list.
@@bigg1nger249I don’t know about that. I had a loyal Thane, but he was dying so I let him lead the one charge in the suicide mission that they said it was impossible to survive.
I still ended up with Krogan and Salarian support.
Same.....
@@hpwilliams0 Same
This makes me think of a good future video idea. Top choices that are worth knowing ahead of time, spoiler be damned. Could be as simple as “don’t use this item right away”
I like this idea.
i would like the exact opposite video... please don't hold my hand, game. (top choices that really mess up your game if you choose "wrong")
The Last of Us 2: We're trying to teach you that violence is bad and that the cycle of violence should be broken
Also The Last of Us 2: If you try and break the cycle of violence for an NPC we'll put a bullet in your back
Gotta love that consistency 😂
i was kinda dissapointed at that too but i get it. how will you program this like what is the NPC supposed to do after you spared him? stay sit on the ground and crying? going back to his routine patrol? run away? where to tho? its not an open world.
they probably could've found a way but i understand why they didnt.
@@mvlpix4419then maybe they shouldn’t base the entire theme of the game around breaking the cycle of violence
We could all bash the story about the game but at least the gameplay was fun
@@MalRak02 Honestly and objectively true
Somewhat amusing bit on the elden ring patches, if you find him by the rocks before following the rainbow stones- he just gets nervous and throws up a generic 'nothing to see here' line. Doesnt kick you off the ledge afterward either.
In Final Fantasy 6, showing mercy to Lone Wolf can get you a Gold Hairpin but screws you out of recruiting Mog. You should never show mercy to anyone holding cute cuddly creatures hostage in the first place!
It's less a case of showing mercy and more a case of choosing who to save, Lone Wolf or Mog. Lone Wolf falls either way and ends up surviving, you just don't get the relic if you choose to save Mog. The worst part is the Gold Hairpin is extremely useful since it halves the MP cost of all magic spells.
It can be countered though when you get the Celestiad from a Brachiosaur reducing MP cost to 1. They’re somewhat hard to get but thankfully with a good team setup these enemies fall rather easily.
@@shenloken2 You can also equip Gogo with 3 steal commands and a couple relics to steal them from Galypdes in the coliseum.
It really isn't a decision though. You cannot, with exception of the GBA version, get all of Mog's dance skills if you do not recruit him at that point in World of Balance. His underwater skill (from Serpent Trench WoB) is also above average when it comes to dances as well.
Not to mention that you really don't need mp conservation in the first half of the game. Ethers aren't too bad to buy a bunch of if you really do need more mana.
Mog is more valuable and there are other ways to get a gold hairpin
Falcon, your narration is just the best. I laughed so hard with the "oh, he got the upper hand on me AGAIN" 😂Much love to all the GR crew and community.
came to say the same! i only watch falcon videos because his voice and narration is so satisfying.
Should have put sparing the Asari in Virmire, If you spare her in both Mass effect and Mass effect 2, She gets indoctrinated by the reapers in 3 and goes on a mini killing spree. Technically not her or Sheperds fault but the outcome ends up being the worst if you spare her.
Technically yes but its one of the many times where bioware forgot to add negative consequences for a bad paragon decision. All you get is an email to make you feel guilty but you dont lose any war assets.
#10 I think Skyrim does this too.
So glad you mentioned #6. The game is full of nonstandard fights, and deserves to be called out for the oddball of chaotic genuis it can be.
That's what kinda annoys me about Skyrim. I prefer to spare people who surrender in games but there's no point in doing that since they'll all just attack you again once they regain enough health
@@soleil1125There's mods for that. The Abduction mod, I tie up the surrendered or the ones I sneak up on. Dread Prison pairs well with it, as you can send almost anyone there.
"Never should have come here!"
10 seconds later
"I yield! I yield!"
10 seconds later
"Never should have come here!"
Calcelmo, and the night mother would like to have a word with you
I remember a few random encounters in red dead redemption 2 where if you decide to help the person they either try to steal your horse or try to rob you at gunpoint and in one of them the night folk ambush you.
They also did that in the first part. I still helped stranded strangers; it was either a good deed or a dead bandit, both were fine for me.
@@tubensalat1453 This is such a great mechanic and makes the world feel even more grounded as obviously there'll people who try to take advantage of good natured people.
The weeping lady in the swamp. Ma'am you ok? Stabs you
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Get your tongue out of them
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There’s also the tree spirit in Witcher 3 where if you spare it it goes on an annihilates a whole village nearby
Came here expecting that to be in the list!
Who worship a trio of hags working with the Wild Hunt, and sacrifice their children to those hags, because their too stubborn to move to somewhere less crap.
That's actually the good option
Dead Rising 2. You save one of the same people that framed you for the zombie outbreak, he gets bitten and literally begs you for some rare zombrex and if you give it to him the jerk kidnaps both your daughter and love interest and forces you into a tough as nails showdown as the final boss of the game.
5:54 I consider the abductor virgin tip good advice because it leads to an otherwise inaccessible boss fight which earns you a reward (necessary to get the collect everything trophy) and also gives a means to speed run the game by taking you from central liurnia all the way to mount gelmir.
Why go with that military readiness stuff for the Mass Effect entry? A far better example was that time in ME2's Thane recruitment mission where you find an Asari hiding in one of the rooms, and if you do the Paragon thing and let her go you later find out she was a psychotic murderer.
Also the Asari scientist that was working in Sarens krogan cloning lab in ME 1 is a good example.
If you spare her in the first game you find her again in number 2 working in Okeers cloning facility, and if you let her go again she runs like hell because she is scared of you blowing the place up like you did the first time, but she escapes unharmed.
Then in 3 you find out that being around sarens facility was enough to indocteinate her and she assasinates a bunch of high profile people who were organizing resistance to the reapers before also killing herslef.
I just posted this one too. I did the paragon thing and later found her recording about how murderous she was…lesson learned…Renegade path it is then.😂
Yeah, military readiness doesn't actually matter
Because the galactic readiness is what determines the ending and thus has the most effect of all.
@@WARELB Your decision at the end determines the ending.
I honestly NEVER knew that u could show mercy to the enemies in TLOU2 . I always sneak up on them with a brick/bottle or go for a headshot. Mindblown.
The animations for injuring them are all based on where the injury took place and they react accordingly. It's a hell of thing and so realistic.
i showed mercy to one but after she WHAM at me -
@@joshramirez7 Well the folks who made it were made to watch snuff films. You know, for the accuracy.
"What, he's giving me his -energy- mercy and left me... maybe this is a sign... maybe I should change... maybe this is my second and last chance... maybe I was wrong... nah!" -proceeds to attack you in the exact same way that got them to beg for mercy in the first place, with no change of tactics.
I understood that reference
@@tyerayle92 "And I love that you did"
“Crush your enemies”
“See them driven before you”
"And hear the lamentation
Of their women…"
Hear the lamentations of their women
'weep orphaned children'
@@AsterSea i was too late 😭
Hesitation is defeat
-Isshin the Sword Saint
Conan Exiles probably has the most evil option when it comes to sparing enemies. Club some guy or gal over the head with a truncheon, then you drag them via a rope to the wheel of pain, which you then force your prisoner to push until they break mentally.
All of this so you can recruit them to run around with you.
You can spare wrex and still get salarian support in mass effect 3, in mass effect 1 you have to save councilors at the end and after that in mass effect 3 you basically save them again and you get full salarian support right after right along with more support from the turians and asaris, either way sparing him and then saving the councilors in me1 is honestly the best outcome for me3
No you dont. Sabotaging the cure gets you the Salarian 1st fleet which is their most valuable asset. Your route is for the 3rd fleet.
Best outcome for the Galaxy is to sabotage the cure as Krogan reproduction numbers are way too fucking high.
In AC Odyssey, sparing the sick girl and family at the beginning of the game at Kephalonia will lead to widespread sickness across the world of Greek
I love the ME one, fun fact if you goat Ashley into killing Wrex and then say "Ashley! Why did you do that!?" you get paragon points 😂
Another good one SPOLIERS- Bloodborne and the Suspicious Beggar. Spare him, send him in the cathedral with all the NPCs you went through the trouble of rescuing and what do you get for it? He slays all of them one by one .
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Armored Core 6 has a new kick attack. Can’t wait to see Patch or Patches use it on you.
How do you guys come up with such good ideas each time lol
Thanks to your support
"No mercy. No remorse. No matter what." - Mortal Kombat
patchs in Elden Ring sold me some really good stuff that helped lock down Margot during the fight and he is still a vender for me after that first major boss fight
Been watching for years. Thank you for inspiring a passion for video games, especially before you buy videos. Much love!
Thanks for your support over the years
"Mercy is for the weak. Here, in the streets, in competition: A man confronts you, he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy."
Well said
I haven't viewed past the intro, yet I simply know I'm going to enjoy this. You guys come up with the most interesting premises about which to discuss games and gaming! So I'm thinking these games take our kindness for weakness, eh? Funny stuff and laughter will help me digest my dinner. 😄
I've fell victim to tactics ogre. I've spared them and in the end my favorite character whom I want to recruit died. I won't tell her name to avoid spoilers for those who haven't played this game yet
Which I highly recommend you do. It's a really good game!
Yep. Way superior to any FF Tactics for me. Anyway, the chaos route is only bad if you let another important character die.
If you stay lawful she becomes a velocity shift spamming White Knight
The Witcher 3 free add-on quest "Where the Wolf and the Cat Play": If you choose to fight the injured Cat School Witcher, he'll ask if you'll let him take a healing potion first so it's a fair contest. If you agree, he instead hits you with a stunbomb that blinds you from the start of the fight for a bit.
Fun fact: You don't have to shoot Wrex, you could simply decide to never talk to him since he is the only one that is not forced upon to become a crew member you unlike Garrus or Tali. Part 2 and 3 then simply progress the same way as when Shephard respectively Ashley) kills him. Furthermore if you decide to destroy Malon's data in part 2, you then can convince Mordin in part 3 to play along with the betrayal of the krogans (because Eve being dead and Wreav being a maniac) and he will actually not sacrifice himself, but rather work just pretend to die and move on to work on the Crucible.
Garrus isnt forced either. You can complete ME1 without recruiting him or Wrex.
That Mass Effect one is awesome! Two whole games later. Nice
I'm surprised Fallout 3 and the Tenpenny ghouls aren't on this list, but then again, it's not directly negative to the player if you spare everyone.
Reminds me of Record of Agarest War, where the morality system felt extremely arbitrary. Not only is it 'evil' to go "elves age slower than humans? I wonder how old this elf is, then?", but it's ALSO 'evil' to go around an enemy fort and convince them they're surrounded to try to make them surrender peacefully instead of throwing away the lives of your soldiers in a frontal assault.
Easy solution for every game: "Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy"
If the enemy still resists, strike firster, strike harder and show even less mercy!
Man, I always go across the street in that GTA IV mission to where the crane is a climb up to the top. You can easily snipe Clarence so the mission is uber quick. Totally forgot about this mercy option confrontation.
That Talking Heads reference was golden 🤣
Agreed. What a gem.
On the contrary, long time FromSoftware players usually don’t get butthurt about Patches and keep him around for the familiarity and memes and benefits.
All the areas he hints and tricks you into in Elden Ring are actually beneficial to you. It’s all in the framing.
As Kratos once said "Close your heart to it."
In Megaten, you can have good outcomes by being merciful, it depends if their are good or evil, your level and the moon phase. So it s more complicated than what Falcon says when it s arbitrary.
I saved Wrex in 1 and it turned out great in 3. Got more than enough support for the good ending
With The Last of Us Part 2 they could have EASILY made that game mechanic matter. Have Ellie show mercy throughout the game, and the ending makes sense. Have her ruthlessly murder everyone.. get an ending where her rage, and hatred consumed her. Which could have made the game way better better.
No. Multiple endings in any game are stupid and a waste of time
@@ClaudeDebussy2000 works in some games but i agree that in a last of us game, multiple choices is not the way to go. the story is perfect as it is.
When joel did what he did. we didnt get a choice. So why should we get choice now?
TLOU is not a choice game. Its about the characters and their emotional complex...this mechanic they could have dropped it. It messes with the dehumanization aspect of factions in the story, but other than that, i have no problem with it. It rarely happens...
Ellie didn’t let Abby go because of mercy. She did it because Abby had no value to her once she realized killing her would not solve her trauma. That’s why she broke down on the beach.
@@Punk-MaskAs much as I'm a defender of the Last Of Us Part 2. I really wish the game did a better job of showing that.
Another one (sort of) is in RE7. If you choose to save Zoe instead of Mia (the one who helps you instead of the one who lied), both Zoe and Mia die.
Yeah, that's a weird choice moment, given it doesn't really affect anything and helping Mia is the canon story anyway.
@@Fonzzz002 It's kind of strange in any game where there are choices and one is very clearly non-canon. It kind of makes that part of the story pointless. Kind of like how the entire Iorveth path in the Witcher 2 becomes non-canon as a result of Witcher 3.
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Wow, I've never played Tactics Ogre but that is one messed up decision the game asks you to do... Now I want to play it
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I think hes not telling the full story on Wrex from Mass Effect. I obtained all the war assets without killing Wrex.
"Well, if you really are that gullible." That really hits hard after how many games now haha
Except you get the best armor in Elden Ring if you keep sparing Patches. And your "punishments" are getting sent to areas you would have ended up on your own anyways. There is literally no benefit to killing him.
True. More importantly, the teleport to Volcano manor is a good way to save time, and get to better smiting stones faster.
I think this Patches is more a subversion of expectations, than a backstabber
Also, if you're role playing as a "good" character, the teleport is the only way to fight Rykard without having to go through the murderous Volcano Manor questline. Granted, you don't actually need Patches' advice for that if you know what you're doing, but lorewise, he's at least "technically" correct with what he tells you.
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Was kinda expecting to see the "Clean House" mission from MW 2019 on here. There's a couple points in that mission where sparing a life gets you killed. Especially at the end
Excellent Talking Heads reference, sir.
Glad you liked it!
@gameranxTV sounded like you made yourself laugh a little after getting through all the fuh fuh fa fuhs. Good stuff right there.
You should mention for the Mass Effect Wrex one that Wrex turns on you in Mads Effect 3 if you betray him. Wrex has been a fair and loyal friend, accurately measuring his duty to his people and you for three games. His reaction is based on your actions, betraying him, in Mass Eefect 3.
He did
I remember something similar happening in Ogre Battle 64. Made the choice that seemed the most morally correct and your beloved allies hate you for it and end up fighting you. It's been several years so I don't remember the details.
Great topic, please do a pt 2.
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Not sure if these count but in Dragon Age 2 if you show Marethari mercy during the quest A New Path then you'll have to fight the boss again with Merrill injured because Marethari stabs her, though the boss will only have 1/3 of the health it had instead of full health. Also in Fallout 4 if you spare Danse during Blind Betrayal, then any time you have Danse as your companion the Brotherhood of Steel will attack you on sight.
Kingdom come deliverance will actually let you spare enemies for money or just make them drop their weapons and leave.
Great to see y’all consistent ❤🎉
I, too, was massively affected by the massive waves caused by the Mass Effect one. My mass of emotions for Wrex massly outweighed my massive wanting to save the mass of the galaxy from the massive horror of the Reapers.
Yo. That had that mad massive mass, yo.
I laughed out oud when Falcon do Talking heads
Falcon almost did the same after uttering the line. Brilliant!
Regarding that first one with Last of Us Pt 2.
In Call of Duty WWII's campaign, there will be moments where the Nazi soldiers will actually SURRENDER and the game actually suggests that you just take them in and capture them, instead of well...gun down a soldier, (even if it's a Nazi), who is surrendering. If you capture them, you don't get a bullet in the back for it. In fact I think the game sort of rewards you in some capacity for doing that. (Like an achievement maybe, it's been years).
Hey Falcon, the reference to the Talking Heads was just…chefs kiss*
The mercy situation in TLOU2 doesn't just make the contrived story even more contrived but is inherently contrived itself because the game doesn't give you the option to take their weapons. It means either Ellie is an idiot who spares heartless terrorists without taking their weapons or she uses basic common sense by just killing them but gets portrayed as a monster by the story for doing it.
As a first time Fromsoft player with Elden Ring, my impression of Patches is so radically different from Fromsoft vets. His tricks were so obvious I never fell for them and so I never developed a reason to hate him. In fact by the end of his questline he seemed like someone desperate to believe in something in a hopeless world and that he had become a friend and believer in a Tarnished, me, actually taking the throne.
Number 5 is wrong, if you saved the salarian council member, they will still give you support, there is still a small advantage but it rarley will effect the outcome
I didn’t even stop swinging for one second when Patches gave up.
Multiple games of pent up frustration released in one moment.
Man, I would love to see new modernized Tactics Orge/Orge Battle game.
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I did not expect some talking Heads reference at all. Merci❤
That quick before a tough choice comes in handy or that long pause to calculate the best possible outcome as well.
I never get full Salarian support in Mass Effect 3 so sparing Wrex never caused me any issues. One that did was sparing the Asari receptionist in the lab complex.
This video just came up in my recommendations.
As a number 11, I'd add "fable: the lost chapters" because if you spare a lost villager that was bitten in the forest he turns into a balverine later and turns on you
You can do it Nadav!! I’m 45 and just lost 55 pounds in 3 months doing Keto and averaging 7-9 thousand steps a day! Bad back and hips and no trainer.
Also, just yesterday i was playing Gta V and using trevor for the first time. That mission where he wiped out a whole biker gang. When he got back to a guy in a trailer, after he rammed it into the river I had the option to show him mercy, but I'm playing as Trevor, I blasted him instantly 😂
Whenever Falcon is telling me anything, i go: "Yaaaas Falcon, slaaaay"
Convincing Saren he's wrong has to be one of the best boss fight phase skips in video games.
Game developers do this because hundreds of thousands of people have been brainwashed by the very phrase you mentioned: No good deed goes unpunished.
Well, we simply need to stop thinking like that and instead think: No evil deed goes unpunished and All good deeds get rewarded.
One word for ya, their all just Big Rudes!🤣 Luv VODs too Falcon..😊
🤣😂🤣 really liked the Talking head reference, nicely put
Y'all had me dead with the Reading Rainbow sound clip!
You should have added Disco Elysium…
Literally EVERYONE lies to you if you are a merciful character. It also becomes impossible to get the true ending.
The Psycho killer part made me spit my lunch falcon you glorious bastard
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Honorable mention to Sans's 'Get Dunked On' in Undertale
Ash of Gods - Redemption … great European story PC game a La Banner Saga … if you are merciful all the time it’s a real hard slog! It’s the apocalypse so you need to rob merchants to survive and let some party members die … tough calls
Love your vids man 😀
There's a great "whaaat did you do?" meme to be had in that look Shepherd gives in that clip.
13:22 the basilisk coming to say "hello" cracked me up
One moment that is kinda similar to this is:
In Detroit: Become Human when you use a gun in the beginning of the game and decide to intimidate the person (Daniel) instead of executing them immediately, you say:
"It's up to you how this story ends."
And he just shoots you 😅
It's realistic but come on dude, I was trying to be all epic and cool 😩
Usually I'll be lenient and show some mercy from time to time in certain video games, but way back on my first playthrough of GTA IV I could sense the deceiving tone in Clarence's voice and knew it was the better choice to finish him off. Sure enough, I soon found out after reading about the choices online that I made the right decision.
Concerning #10 Perfect Dark on the N64 had this but better.
You could disarm opponents with melee attacks and then they would either throw hands up and or pull out at pistol when you'd turn away.
Some would indeed actually retreat completely out of the combat if I remember correctly.
Another banger video Gameranx
Currently playing Ready or Not. Had a few times someone gets shot (usually by beanbag rounds), drop their gun and surrender, only to pull out a knife when I come close to handcuff them.
Their skull then gets caved in by a beanbag round at point blank. Its called LESS lethal for a reason.
And then you still don't get S rank because you killed someone lmao
What about skyrim?
“Please, no more! I yield I yield!
5 seconds later
“You picked a bad time to get lost friend”
From Mass Effect I saw a video that the difference between having Wrex with only Krogan support and no Wrex with Salarian and Krogan support is 65 points. I would've called out Mass Effect 2. If you rewrite the Geth rather than blowing them up then the point difference can go down 300, which is something you don't want. A Paragon move, or mercy, that'll screw you over more in the long run. Besides it's closer to saving Wrex or Mordin, nobody really cares about Salarian support.