Japanese Monks Hated Their Boy Apprentices, But Couldn’t Resist Them (Chigo)
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The lives of chigo, Japanese Buddhist acolytes who served their masters in ways not okay today.
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"He dtarts undoing his pants..."
Hold up! Wait a minute!😦🤮
Hey, please regulate the homophobia in the comments section
@@Carlos-bz5oo where do you see homophobia...its mostly disgust towards pdfs
yoooooo, can i ask u a question?
can i pls know where did you get your sources for the legend saying that Qin Shi Huang had a secret male lover?
i did a bit of research on Qin Shi Huang and found nothing, and i also tried finding some info on Jido/Peng Zu and only found this:
“Jidō was a boy who served Emperor Mu of the Zhou dynasty in ancient China. One day, he committed an offense by stepping over the emperor’s headrest. So severe was this offense that he barely escaped being put to death. He was driven from the court and banished to Mount Rekken. Feeling pity for the boy, Emperor Mu secretly gave him a headrest upon which he had written two verses from the Lotus Sutra and he taught him to recite these verses and pray every morning." ...blablabla etc... its from “Jidō of the Chrysanthemum” (Kiku-Jidō) :3
just asking...... :/
maybe im wrong idk............ :C
The Buddha gives the hardest tests to his most devoted followers (They had to not molest boys)
Medieval monks stay away from kids challenge (they failed) 😞
The the tests weren’t the only hard thing the monks had
TFW you’re the son of an aristocrat in feudal Japan and your dad just got you an internship at the local temple (You didn’t know this is the start of your villain arc) 😔
Imagine Siddhartha Gautama seeing what his self-help religion/philosophy eventually evolved into.
NGL, he'd probably be disappointed, but never mad. Succumbing to that sort of thing is beyond him.
@@nowhereman6019 I think a lot of holy figures throughout history would be horrified what their worshipers started doing with their teachings.
The more we look at history, the more we learn that abusing children for adult gratification is not an isolated thing but something deeply insidious to all mankind.
Especially when it’s rainbow flavored.
@@Mortablunt...Up yours, you lying, hateful, homophobe.🙄
@@Mortablunt most popularly with bland holy water flavour
@@arcamaru8116 nah, rainbow flavoured
@@rizkiramadhan9266 Or rather, what provides the easiest to access positions of nigh unquestionable authority.
This seems to be a systemic problem in all celibate priesthoods.
Human urges need a release I guess
Given the prevalence of such abuses committed by teachers, I think there's a component beyond the celibacy that's key here.
Not just, pederasty was a thing, and that wasn't related to any celibate priesthood.
@@Nicole-kc1vx it must be the result of not being around women for most of your life. Young boys are unfortunately the closest thing to women in the mind of a desperate man.
@@yeetlydiscreetly power probably.
"Some compare it to the relationship between a vassal and a lord. Or... a child and Woody Allen." I'm already dying. 🤣
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Except Woody Allen fucked little girls, so he'd have been a bit disappointed in a medieval monstery.
Peter Thiel, however...
who woody Allen 😮
@@nightslasher9384 You sweet innocent child...
@@MrGksarathy is he woody from Toy Story 2 :o
Age is but a number, and prison is but a room.
Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage. But they do help.
And hell is just a place
Make no mistake, though, solitary confinement drives people mad.
That's a good one. 😆👍
And s*x is just physical activity to release stress, and horni hormones. 😂
What the hell is it with Priests and Children!?
The psychosis of religion 😢
@@shawn6796
You could say the same thing about public schools, Boy Scouts, youth sports, etc., turns out when you put people in positions of authority, some people are going to abuse that authority, which if anything is a point in support of sin being a thing that exists, but I digress.
@@allthenewsordeath5772 ideology and pride are the enemy of man.
@@shawn6796 lol yes blame the religion instead of mankind would you
@@licas3214 ideology is what makes mankind, separates humans from beast 😂
Priests, boyscouts leaders, coaches, it's like you should not leave your children with people of authority
when I first heard how old boyscouts leaders are in the US I was flabbergasted
@@respectthefish4992What are boyscouts? I'm not from the US so I've never heard of this
It's sort of like summer camp for boys, but it's not necessaryily summer@@Darkgeranium127
@@Darkgeranium127Boy scouts is a youth group kids can join to earn badges for different thing like camping, volunteering, and teamwork. There are boy scouts and girl scouts. Boy scouts sell popcorn and girl scouts sell cookies to learn financial literacy, business skills, and responsibility.
Cause & effect reversal--it's not that leaving your kids with priests (or etc) causes them to be molested. It's that molesters seek positions of power where they'll have the chance to abuse kids...or sometimes, to abuse anyone, and kids are just the most convenient.
Brain: *sees Monks and their Boy Apprentices*
Brain: I HATE I already know what this is gonna be about...
*clicks anyway cause knowledge is power*
Also Brain: Oh God this is WORSE than I thought, the amount of Copeium these Monks go through...
That's exactly my thought process
The absolute irony of Buddhist monks having boy consorts.
desiring no desires is fake
Just like about every religious charge that implies trying to refuse the human condition, they just end up using any substitute that their authority can keep hidden
@@themelancholyofgay3543Go tell that to the batshit insane dudes who meditate for weeks-months at a time
Sex doesn't always mean love, people can pursue and have sex with someone they don't respect or even hate. It's unfortunate but true and more common than one thinks.
It's not unfortunate-
If you wanna have consensual fun just for the fun of it and move on nothing is wrong with that.
Though obviously the word "consensual" involves both parties being of age, which yeah, does not happen here.
@@helion2018it was being of age for them. Depends where you are
@@carlosandleon I know that there were different standards throughout history, if these people were to be revived it would not be fair to put them in prison or something because in their time this bs was normalised, but it is completely undeniable that those acts were atrocious and objectively horrible and wrong.
It wasn't just about the age, but also the fact that the act was completely non-consensual, the students were forced to do it because their masters had complete authority over them, which probably completely messed those kids up mentally and inflicted and incredible amount of pain on them.
I'm aware that society back then was fucked up like that, but that doesn't make it any less fucked up.
@@helion2018 You can’t say there were different moral standards across history and then go on to say it’s objectively wrong.
Hell the average American will think europe is “objectively” wrong since age of consent in many countries is 16 over there regardless of the age gap. In modern japan it’s even 12 - and that’s modern day.
@@carlosandleon Dude. I don't know where you are going with your argumentation and I don't want to know.
My point is: In those societies atroceties were normalised. That doesn't mean they are not atrocities.
That is what cults do, they try to create these secluded societies in which horrible acts are normalised. That doesn't suddenly make these acts just okay.
The exact age of consent or exact kind of relationships that should be disallowed for a certain amount of time can vary - I'm no expert in that field, but as long as studies show that it does not have a high chance of harming you anymore, it's acceptable.
Also just to debunk some information about Europe because I'm an actual european person (from germany, to be exact): This whole thing about or ages of consent being incredibly low is bs for two reasons.
1. With age of consent we don't mean the exact same thing as americans. There is this misconception that the aoc in germany is 14, aka that you can legally do the deed with a 14 year old as an adult. No, you can't, you will go straight to prison. Age of consent for us usually means "Age from which you can legally have sex". As a 14 year old you can legally do the deed with other minors above the age of 14, but NOT with adults. You can legally do it with adults only once you are an adult (Or have a difference of at max two years because obviously it's okay for a 18 and 17 year old to be together). This counts for lots of european countries simply because we mean something slightly else with "age of consent".
2. Just because something is technically legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable or considered normal. Poland has an age of consent of 15, as in, from the age of 15 on you can have sex with people of any ages. That is NOT socially acceptable, though. Many eastern europe countries suffer from aged judical systems, but society is still progressed. If an adult openly has a relationship with a 15 year old in Poland they will be extremely frowned upon. And called a p-phile.
Laws are not necessarily what determine what a society generally sees as morally acceptable. At all.
I like the part when you mentioned that the boys misbehaved and were still as rowdy as any child today. It shows they still rebelled in spite of the various forms of abuse. It shows that their acting out might have been a way to get some amount of power here. They raised as much hell as a child can in an abusive environment. And it shows that today's children not getting worse- children were always little terrors. Ours are not stealing real swords to play with.
I don’t find it’s “children” being terrors and acting out is different than the Orwellian notion of becoming brainwashed into WWII Hitler Youth that rat out (turn on) their own parents for social status points and so forth. I pity parents today who’ve fallen into these cults.
Sexual gratification at the cost of a childs innocence is one of the worst things a person can do. The offenders life should be forfeit. And dont give me that "it was a different time, then." We dont accept the racism of the past, so why would we accept something so evil, ever?
Humans can be so horrendous 💔
Anyone who can hurt children so horribly is a monster in human skin.
Even worse than animals eating their own young.
Funny how you turn this completely fine thing into "hurting" someone, just because you have been bra in wa shed that way.
This gives me flashbacks of my college classes in which the phase "Buddhist Catamite" was in our textbook... and the few of us who did our homework (which meant looking at the word in the dictionary) were horrified. The slackers passed through the next few classes in ignorant bliss.
I remember one time a frind of mine thought about taking one of my books to read with here nephews (they spend their former years in English speaking countries, me and she are not , I have a lot of fantasy books in English because fantasy is relatively unpopular here) and I was like "do you want to explain ti your 10yo nephew what is a catemite ?!?!"
I didn't learn what that word meant until I was like 19.
Ngl I never heard of that word before and I am too scared to look It up now
TIL what that means and the Greek myth that originated the word 😭
uh just learned what this means... how tf is this and Buddhist in the same sentence?
What surprise me the most is that it became so popular the samurai and then the merchant decided it was THE thing to do
that's the most intriguing (as much as disturbing) aspect here. Another reminder that humans across world and time don't have to perceive same things in the same way, no matter what. I wonder, however, what was the perception of this among the common people - if there's any source out there about it.
@@adzi6164maybe they found it scandalous and a "disease" of the upper class.
Hmm, definitely a way to demonstrate 'status'.
Status can be embodied in so many 'strange' or even what is generally considered 'abnormal' behaviours and objects
There is a whole thesis in psychology here 🙃
@@nunyabiznes33Much like now, considering Hollyweird.
@@fatuusdottore Agree, and sports. We are also seeing a disturbing rise among teachers.
I am still hyperfixated on ancient Japan and you are the reason.
Woohoo!
same!
It's ironic how apprentices and monks slept together, considering that in India, where buddhism originated, if a student/apprentice slept with his master ,classmate or his master's wife , it was considered nearly as bad as incest( although he could marry his teacher's daughter with his permission)
Edit: Wow. Looking at the replies to this all I have to say is while India I'd definately not the best country, y'all seriously need to check where you get your archaic knowledge on Indian affairs from
Actually, a while ago, I saw a documentary about something similar happening in India as well...sooo...yeah! It's everywhere, where cults rule :/
@@ditalotlNah, in India people would lynch anyone doing that ( because of our tradition of seeing teacher and student like father and son). But if the documentary was about a cult, then maybe. We have way too many modern spiritual and political cults (although they keep a low profile unlike cults elsewhere in the world )
@@Vajrasattvam Sorry, my bad! I managed to find the video I was referring to, and it was indeed about Tibet, and not India! It seems like I remembered it wrong, so sorry for the confusion 👍
@@Vajrasattvam Are you seriously suggesting that pederasty doesn't happen in India? Almost a third (28.9%) of Indian children experience CSA and 90% of the reports involve a family member, so being "nearly as bad as incest" isn't saying much. Both of these numbers are from the Ministry for Women and Child Development and were reported on India Today last year.
@@flingonber Damn, forget Alabama, India looked at it and went "That's childs play"
The process and ceremony of preparation for ... Is called grooming. 😢
Yep and its been going on for centuries...
Good god
This is so sad and evil. 😢😢
Something similar happened in Ancient Greece, to the point where parents wanted guards to be present when boys studied with their tutors because it was well known what the men often did to their young students. 😢😢😢😢😢
Pederasty I think was the term.
So much mental gymnastics were involved in justifying it during the times of Ancient Greece.
@@oompalumpus699 oh, so this is from the word Pydarast in Russian came from.
It's neither sad nor evil.
@@Serjo777You only claim it's neither because you yourself are both. You & all your fellow Eps Islanders will get exactly what you deserve. It's only a matter of time.
Greek here, that is not true.
Any sexual abuse towards a minor was punishable by death.
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Ah, desire can lead you to a prison. Sage advice!
I don't remember giving this advise lol
The Woody Allen joke was unexpected, but appreciated
I mean he's not wrong
..those poor kids 😢😢😢😢
You know you're coming of age when you walk pass a group of monks and they won't even look back
Its so ironic how human kind is totally down to use any excuse to bring pleasure(of any kind) to itself even if its a child in question of same or other species with excuse of any sort even if its a belive they carry (which might go against every moral value they have studied but still would find a way to make it right). Man thats depressing and irritating. Kudos to your hardwork and thanks for a great video~
Indeed. Makes me wondering, in Christian concept of 7 deadly sins, the deadliest sin not supposed to be pride but lust 😂
@@valhatan3907it is pride, because pride is the basis of most of the sins.
Pride leads to lust
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Pride is lust for self-esteem.🤔
@@19Pyrus70 Basically pride is "I am better than X/Y => If I do something it's not the same as normal people doing it"
@@sakura-dante9059 pride doesnt lead to lust, lust is an animal instinct. Not sure if flies posess pride but they still have sex... And people with low self esteem can still have a high sex drive. Pride can actually be healthy (but also unhealthy) and the least harmful of the sins: simply having good self esteem and being proud of your accomplisments, thats a good thing in itself. Its when you start to devalue and putting others down it becomes bad
My favorite part of the video is working in the commercial for the Japanese snacks with the master keeping the snacks for himself since he's teaching the student self denial but then the kid calls the pedo squad on him and gets the snacks. Nice
Sigh.. can people just… crazy idea here. NOT molest children?
I've heard people say, "Fuck G-d," but I didn't expect it to be taken so literally.
its so sad that that a lot of young girls and boys were easily ab4sed and it was seen as acceptable. like large age gap marriages or teacher student stuff like this monk. its so gross. im happy things are changing for the better and we recongise kids and teens are not adults and should not be s3xually abused by adults or married off at young ages. they need time to develop and grow into adults. and ab4sing them will never lead them to that. it only creates a cycle of trauma. ofc that doesnt mean this was happeing in all countries or normalised in all cultures, but it sure seems like a lot of them.
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I would not be surprised if the 7 foot rule was just simply how far a master could reach with his staff. If he can hit you, you're too close, and you know would...
Popular youtubers from our childhood would love to live in that era…
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Bro is this why age gaps are so prevalent in Yaoi manga 😅…
Fr fr
To be fair, gays in general are known to have large age gaps although it's normally still 18+.
Well considering Buddhism wasn't insanely popular in Japan and before the concept of yaoi was thought of they were Westernized (by force mind you) that would be a strong no.
It's not only Yaoi. And you and I both know that like any Anime fan so, let's not be all hypothetical about it
@@nate6045As if Straight men haven't been chasing younger women since time in memoriam
I still can't believe how respectful the Chigo was in the ancient. Chigo is a low-level staff disposable in nowadays temples, especially in Thailand.
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11:04 made me spit my drink! The idea of a kid just breaking into your room swinging a sword around like a mad man is one thing, that it was so common that people were getting annoyed with it is hilarious to me.
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Me trying to find a religion that doesn't prey on people lol.
Unfortunately, being seen as a moral and spiritual authority figure makes it easy for terrible people to abuse their position of trust. The easiest way to test a person's true character is to give them a position of authority and see what they do to the people they have authority over.
None of them do. Look at reality, not mispractice
@@mizu7662 exactly. Morality being predatory is oxymoronic lol
Every religion was /is used for evil. I think most religions are cool in theory (and I the kindest people are like, in the middle religion /no religion wise ) but every religion was used to abuse
Find one that fits you. Organised religion, though? With their power structure? Well, positions of power attracts those who crave it, who wants to use it against others. The presence of those kind of people are kinda unavoidable once any structure gets large enough, whether secular or religious.
Was there any monks that stood against those practice and denounced them as "anti-buddhist" or something ?
I know Greece had a similar system of master and apprentice that could often devolve into "love" relationship but not everyone approved of those relationship and some even wrote and complained about it
I think some of the previous videos in this series cited written criticisms by other monks.
While glancing through my Royall Tyler collection of Japanese tales I came upon a story about a monk who finds another monk in the mountain. The mountain monk had reached Satori, or near enough that he was attended by "Celestial boys" that were said to be "beautiful". When I first read this story years ago I thought it was just a detail to show how holy they were. Now I think that story is a horror story parading as a story about Enlightenment. Thanks for that.
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in ancient Greece this was so bad rich families hired bodyguards to watch their kids as they were being tutored
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FINALLY we're talking about the abuse in Buddhism! (At least starting to)
Religions existed as a way to lay down and idea or I guess guidelines for people to make sense of the world around us. But, some people don't like change, or maybe those in the past with religion had an overall great experience with it so we passed down these teachings. Until books, computers, and now Internet is now a thing to keep all information. Religion helped make sense of the world, but now we know better thanks to the ability to pass down knowledge. Our past experiences and knowledge don't get passed down to our kids so, for a very long time everything was always "new." I'm sure there's a video out there somewhere that talks about how the now growing population is smarter now thanks to the internet.
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@@Linfamy never cease your humor 🤣
Thanks for the educational laugh 🤭
Thank you for this very funny video
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That's why I love Kannon, he preached the same truth of easy enlightenment. The proof is in the pudding 😌. Really, go to a Bon Dance instead of a monastery. Good video Lin. Namo Amida Butsu 🙏
9:26 the top notch sarcasm everyone seemed to ignore
EXTREME Try Not To Molest Kids Challenge: MONK EDITION (IMPOSSIBLE)
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You became a master of innuendos.
Linfamy is sooooo cynical about Buddhism and I am so here for it.
Why? What did buddhism do?
@@utkarshsingh-rp2dq Pedesrasty, corruption, genocide against Muslims, you name it
@@utkarshsingh-rp2dq the teaching is good and straight to nirvana, but the one who follow is all kind of trouble. Most of the monk do a bunch of justification to get giddy with the young'un, it's nasty stuff but that's just the way they did it. Like liking femboy cuz they look cute and breedable, it's not that the monk is gay (Kinda) stuff but imagine you in prison and that one lad just got in and looking meaty. Yep.... Crazy
Oh yes, the shota problem of medieval japan...🤔
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Much of this sounds disturbingly like a British private school. Floreat Aetona.
That product placement needs to be talked about..... omg......
This has to be the smoothest transition into a sponsorship I have ever seen.
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well… Now I understand the behavior of the monk in Inuyasha.
*stares at Aang
Wrong culture. We talking about the Japanese
Guru Pathik wasn't Japanese. He was Indian.
In India, paedophilia was mostly restricted to heterosexual relationships.
No,noo. Don't. 😢Aang, monk gyatso they are more bhutan background. The way i view it, Buddhism there are more strict, not to mixed up with Chinese emperor thingies, displine and well behaved.
A wild Miroku appeared. He was quite the perv.
But he only went after girls...right?🤔
@@19Pyrus70he'll just suck in anything anyway
RIP miroku
A child and Woody Allen 😭💀
"Disappear in a puff of nonsense" lol!
“A child and Woody Allen..” 😅
i really like the nom nom nom part lol
Reminds me of Sparta...they also had a ritualized pedophilia system. I just don't (want) to understand how something like that gets normalized.
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Being from an Esoteric subsect of Buddhism that is more focused on the philosophical side of things rather than theological tradition? I think more people should know about this stuff. Among other things. Because I think it's sort of unfair that Christians(Catholics in particular) have the big market cornered on getting ridiculed because of the questionable morality amongst their clergy. I strive to remain critical of all faith, including my own.
Good, every clergy is human after all. They have mistake or desire on one or another, they're not holy, they just know a lot about their religion
Not the breath he didn’t know he was holding 😂😂😂