What a great time to be alive! Laying on a sofa, ordering food and drinks home and of course watching such amazing Starcraft brood war matches! Can I ever ask for more?
fun fact: 1:20:09 Mini builds a scout after scouting with his empty shuttle (5 fact timing). edit: it's funny how tastosis missed this bcuz all the pros saw the stargate blinking and immediately said he's making a scout (no fleet beacon) 3:08:03 Mini thanks Organ for helping him practice til gameday. Organ was live streaming this and he cried
You guys are the best casters. Not only do you make it exciting to watch but you make me understand the game more. Even tho i'm horrible at starcraft :D
I honestly think disruption web and dragoons will be absolutely crushing against terran armies. It's almost like the opposite orange cloud and we know how much terrans suffer from that.
Usually the top comments is a spoiler congratulating the winner, glad that’s not the case here. And the matches went to game 7 so even the timeline wasn’t a spoiler! Couldn’t ask for a better season of ASL. This was incredible.
Hearing korean casters in the background made me paranoid that someone is actually screaming in my house. I had to take off my headphones once in a while lul
Final stats for this season below! I'll be posting a screenshot of my spreadsheet on my Twitter under the #ASLstats tag! For the next season, should I start from 0 or add to this season stats? *SPOILERS!* (Updated after today's games!) *[Fun Facts]* - Ballsy for Mini to go for the Double 9Gate in Game 6, as he lost horribly in Game 7 with the same build last season! - Final score for our two players are 17-9 (13-8 without wildcard matches) for Rush and 15-5 for Mini! - Rush leaves with a 7-5 against P, and Mini with a 9-3 against T. - Top spawns have a 40-60 (40.0%) record, Bottom spawns 70-50 (58.3%)! - On the other hand, clockwise spawn, left vs right are all within 10% of each other: *suggesting* that maps are quite well balanced in those regards, but might not be in top vs bottom. - We had 110 games this season, and average game time was 14:30. - Maps with a longer average time than that was: Largo (15:42), Polypoid (16:19) and Eclipse (17:11). - Maps with shorter average time was: Lemon (14:02), Ascension (13:24), Good Night (12:27) and Revolver (10:41). - Average game time on Ascension 13:24 didn't change with today's 13:07, so it should be quite accurate a number! - Player expanding first wins 53.3% of the time. If we adjust for Zerg by taking the mean time between two first expands, this number increases to 60.0%! - If we look in specific match-ups in PvT the number is 70.0%, but only 38.5% in ZvZ! So looking just at these numbers the message is clear: expand first in PvT, but expand later than your opponent in ZvZ! *[Match-Ups]* TvZ (32 games) 18-14 Average Time: 13:48 PvT (31 games) 17-14 Average Time: 17:43 ZvP (22 games) 11-11 Average Time: 13:50 ZvZ (15 games) Average Time: 09:19 PvP (6 games) Average Time: 13:34 TvT (4 games) Average Time: 19:38 *[Spawn Winrates]* 7/8 o'clock 41-27 60.3% 4/5 o'clock 29-23 55.8% 1 o'clock 23-35 39.7% 11/12 o'clock 17-25 40.5% Bottom 70-50 58.3% Left 58-52 52.7% Right 52-58 47.3% Top 40-60 40.0% Against Clockwise Opponent: 30-36 45.5% *[Maps]* _Eclipse_ (22 games) - TvZ 2-2, ZvP 2-6, PvT 4-3 - TvT 1, ZvZ 2 - Average Time: 17:11 _Polypoid_ (21 games) - TvZ 3-2, ZvP 3-1, PvT 2-6 - TvT 1, ZvZ 3 - Average Time: 16:19 - Against Clockwise: 6-7 _Ascension_ (20 games) - TvZ 4-2, ZvP 1-2, PvT 4-3 - TvT 1, ZvZ 3 - Average Time: 13:24 - Against Clockwise: 9-11 _Revolver_ (17 games) - TvZ 3-2, ZvP 0-1, PvT 3-1 - TvT 1, ZvZ 2, PvP 3 - Average Time: 10:41 - Against Clockwise: 5-7 _Largo_ (12 games) - TvZ 2-1, ZvP 3-0, PvT 1-1 - ZvZ 2, PvP 2 - Average Time: 15:42 - Against Clockwise: 4-4 _Good Night_ (9 games) - TvZ 1-4, ZvP 2-0, PvT 1-0 - ZvZ 2 - Average Time: 12:27 - Against Clockwise: 3-5 _Lemon_ (8 games) - TvZ 3-1, ZvP 1-0, PvT 2-0 - PvP 1 - Average Time: 14:02 - Against Clockwise: 3-2
The scouts were pretty neat. Game-theoretically, they pose just a very easily deflectable threat, were you have to take minimal precautions to make them terrible, like keeping your marines back or bringing two more SCVs and make the turrets earlier. But because no-one ever makes them, people just skip those tiny precautions, and that made them good in that precise situation. What I love about this is that, given that flipping any one game would have flipped the result, the Scouts were literally decisive for Mini's ASL victory.
They nudged the balance ever so slightly in another direction. Normally you want those marines to protect the tanks, so if you're holding them in back in case of scouts does that mean the Protoss going to pick a few tanks in the run back?
These games prove you can see 1000 SC games and still be surprised by the 1001st! SICK! Big thanks to Tastosis for making the ASL accessible to English-speakers - YOU RULE!
Man . . . I just watched this again after seeing it when it first came out and I have to say, this is one of my favorite ASLs of all time. Beautiful back and forth strategic play.
@@bowserificB Definitely.... as a parent and old SC fan, I found the reference hilarious in an ASL cast. I know all about mice and cookies, moose and muffins, pigs and pancakes... and now Protoss and Goliaths.
@@johnquant9924 Definitely agree - coming from another parent and old time SC fan. Though I haven’t heard of the pig and pancakes one. I’m going to have to look that one up.
Game 6 was fking crazy. When Caster Park just immediately start burning the players at the start is hilarious. He just goes straight for the jugular. I'm a huge Rush fan, hope he just keeps getting better.
Love the casting guys. I'm currently saving money so I can move to south korea in the next couple years its my dream to come to these live events. Also would be cool to meet tastosis since I've been listening to you guys for your entire career .
Good game. Mini is the best of Protoss all the time to me but he needs more practice on PvT. Rush however, he needs to improve his Goliath Micro and Vulture positioning. Really valuable players.
Holy Shit Holy Shit Holy Shit!!! I am beyond stoked, this season has been phenomonal, my two favorite players are up there, used to be just Rush and I had a predisposition against Mini because I thought his nails were a little offputting but he absolutely won me over and then I found out they were kind of like a charm for him and I know many crazy athlete stories so that totally recontextualized it but before I even knew that Mini won me over through is play and wearing his emotions on his sleeve. I'm fine with either of them winning, so much so I don't really know who to root for, above all else I'm really hoping for some absolutely fantastic games and hopefully 6 or 7 of them. Maybe I'm hoping for Mini to win this one and Rush can get the next one because the way Mini is, if he get's second for a third time he's going to get in his head that he's cursed. I think there is high probability that both players will be back, they're both getting older comparatively but their skill level in relationship to everybody else has never been higher. If Flash or some of the other massive pros come back they could be challenged but that would just lead to an even higher ceiling for matches. This is going to be so awesome, I accidently saw the length of the video which I try to ignore for spoiler reasons but at least I think this is fairly long even for a Bo7. *Let's Go!*
I never really comment but I have to say, I love how tastosis isn't frills and loud talking most the time. It's nice hearing solid, obvious seasoned strategic conversation
Wraiths and Scouts actually have almost identical A2G attacks. They're both 8(+1) normal damage with a 1.26 cooldown with no missile. The difference is just that Wraiths have more range (5 vs 4). But the real difference is that Scouts are more than 50% more expensive than Wraiths while being and building more slowly and using a production building that is in high demand. Scouts are superior to Wraiths A2A, but Protoss just has better options for that (goons, cannons, corsairs, and high templar).
I was thinking that the Scouts pay highly for their 28+2 ATA damage, and maybe if: - their missile attack was an upgrade at the fleet beacon - use their ATG attack against air prior to the upgrade - they started with the speed upgrade (I think its speed is locked behind an upgrade due to it being too easy to snipe Overlords with speed and 28 damage) - reduced cost Scouts could be actual _Scouts_ in the midgame, and only be the capital ship killers they are in the late game. But hey, that's just theorycrafting ; )
Scouts are also beefier than Wraiths, the brute to the Wraith’s ninja. However, everyone’s G2A is so good that you’d really rather have cloak than more HP.
@@Appletank8 For the price of 12 scouts, you can get 15 wraiths and 14 missile turrets, and the scouts will _still_ take longer to finish and cost more supply. And even the fleet beacon costs more than the control tower. I think it's really more about the investment than it is about the quality of the final unit. Scouts aren't _that_ bad. (4 range is kind of a joke, though.)
@@EebstertheGreat yea, if the scout took the same amount of time as wraiths to build they'd at least be useful as a niche surprise harass. They're already slow and take more time to get the resources needed to build.
Don't be misled by Artosis' propaganda machine, in spite of this win, protoss is still the race with least ASL championships. Free yourself from his prison world.
But when I play Broodwar, the only logical option for me is Protoss since I don’t have any apm and I have a very bad sense of timing and execution. I don’t see myself controling tons of units as Zerg or dealing with Terran’s mechanic as well as marine/medic micro. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Have you seen pro foreigners play Protoss in BSL? They look like me beating some single player campaign, a walk in the park.
At the highest levels, it's still pretty well balanced for how long this game has been going. Flash dominated for so long, it's hard to deny that his accomplishments alone skewed the stats on that a bit, at least until some of the other players found ways to finally catch up. Now that he's left the scene for awhile, I'm curious to see how much the "everyone else apart from Flash" argument holds weight. It's gonna be a wild few years, I wager.
I get the feeling caster park is as much of a legend as tastosis times two maybe. Love his interviews. If only.i spoke korean i could see how legendsry he eeally is
This finals was on par with the Flash/Effort and Larva/Mini ones. It's funny how everyone was behind the winner. And overall one of the best season despite no audience and no suit for Tastosis. I loved all the small talks with the players (the shadow quiz, the bingo, the group selection), caster Park, Lee Hyun-Kyung, Tastosis and the production were awesome as usual. ASL made 2021 way more bearable.
Now those scouts have to get some rest, their backs have to be in pain after how they carried Mini to victory :D Amazing season of ASL again, cant w8 for season 13
great season, great cast, great finals. Mini really puts pressure on himself; Im looking forward to seeing him next season. Hes a worthy ASL champ, and to think a few seasons back we watched him do the fateful drop on the island map :)
That "scout" was truly a game changer. Spoilers: Mini's doing again that scumbag build that cost him season 11, but good thing is that he learned from it and did it when he had breathing space so he can afford even he lose it. Lost that match but came back strong in the end. Really capitalize on that Nexus first double Stargate throughout the game. Congrats to Mini, it's about time. Edit: Those scouts will definitely become one of the best highlights of season 12. I'm already hearing how the Korean casters reacted to it. "DATATATATAT! DATATATATAT!" LMAO 2nd Edit: No "DATATATATAT!" but they're exhilarated as I expect them to.
Yeah, it was so anti-climatic last season losing the very last game to his own cheese! He lost here as well, but thankfully it wasn't the very last game.
Caster Park really tried to get them heated, but they were already at each other's throat before he could really get it going. All he could do was react!
Excellent series! I think Rush really could have had this, but when he offensively attacked up a ram and then continued to overextend instead of retreat... well.. that was it for him. Loved the cast and the games.
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You know you're in for a good series when the VOD is three hours
I was just thinking that. "this is about to be a good one"
It's also a spoiler though, especially half way through this series 😑
@@windhydra6511 don't look at the comments!!! while watching
@@mareksicinski3726 I didn't, only looked at the video length.
@@windhydra6511 ok
We are so blessed to have Tastosis commentating all of ASL matches. The midgame analysis of the first game was so perfect.
Man I literally haven't watched sc2 in like 8 years, and Tasteless has gotten chunky. What happened?
Starcast tv does it weeks ahead of time and much better. Tastosis sucks a big one
@@durag6196 Timing not super relevant watching it pre-spoiled in 2022. Sounds worth checking out though.
@@durag6196lol fucking what that shit is nails on a chalkboard
This cast was MONEY!
You better start breakdancing
Hello fellow gamers, how about that 420 no scope amiright?
@@yuripantyhose4973 Fellow Scandinavian Pewdiec4ncer wants his unoriginal and unfunny comments back, he has the monopoly on those.
Such money!
@@rocksparadox says the person that says "Pewdiec4ncer"
Well, I saw scouts in an ASL final. I can die now knowing I truly saw everything the world has to offer.
And winning it
Crazy that the scouts were the right units to make!
200IQ move, for real.
now i've seen everything
Indeed
im still sad tho that blizz never properely balanced out the scout so they are just too expensive to be effective
@@sangvinhun they never properly balanced a lot of units.
What a great time to be alive! Laying on a sofa, ordering food and drinks home and of course watching such amazing Starcraft brood war matches! Can I ever ask for more?
Yeah, Tastosis commentating your eating.
Can’t ask for more honestly, god bless bw
No order, just microwave some canned horse meat
You can always ask for more, but I hear ya, you had a great time
Yes you can. 3 seasons of ASL in a year!
Best ASL finals ever and ofcourse with the best casters
Best ASL Finals yet, imo (EffOrt vs Flash coming close 2nd). An absolute instant classic.
GGs!!!
Do I see you on Distributist?
@@nicodemussmith Indeed, you might have.
Flash vs Jaedong back in like 2009-2011 was the best.
@@James-sn5mg riiiight..
@@James-sn5mg It would sure be hype if their skill allowed to play in a tournament that started in 2016, in 2009-2011!
fun fact: 1:20:09 Mini builds a scout after scouting with his empty shuttle (5 fact timing). edit: it's funny how tastosis missed this bcuz all the pros saw the stargate blinking and immediately said he's making a scout (no fleet beacon)
3:08:03 Mini thanks Organ for helping him practice til gameday. Organ was live streaming this and he cried
He immediately said "oh yahhhh that's a scout" though xD I think the initial shock of building a trash unit INTENTIONALLY got to him at first
I saw that moment with Organ too - very touching.
You guys are the best casters.
Not only do you make it exciting to watch but you make me understand the game more.
Even tho i'm horrible at starcraft :D
If you're having fun, you're in the better group of players. No other perspective is needed. ^.^
Everyone is horrible at starcraft - the trick is to enjoy it anyways.
I can't believe SCOUTS won the freaking ASL! What a match, what a game, what a finals, what a series. Awesome!
Was sick, the only unit that saves him there. Picking off the low tanks, that was MONEY!
The Stove! ❤
@@MeteCanKarahasan Maybe someday. ;-)
I just love how Caster Park gets straight to the point when starting Mini's interview 😂
This was an absolute treat. One of the best series (let alone finals) I've seen in a while.
Good Games indeed =D
I am loving the segment where the Korean caster breaks down each player's top 3 games. Their analysis is out of this world
Best casting duo in ESports history
HYPE
Been avoiding spoilers on reddit to catch the tastosis cast
GG. Thanks again Tasteless and Artosis. A great season of casting and games!
i only missed the jokes about „larva“ drying his hand with a hairdryer, amazing cast!!!
Once those scouts came out my eyes were glued to the tv.
I knew scouts had a place in the meta
Next up are spellcasters. Disruption web, ensnare, broodlings and blind
@@Jean-vr7vj oh god no pls no dweb
I honestly think disruption web and dragoons will be absolutely crushing against terran armies. It's almost like the opposite orange cloud and we know how much terrans suffer from that.
@@Jean-vr7vj Y. Zerg saving grace is queens
@@Jean-vr7vj i really want to see D-web get used
Thank you Tastosis and team! Greatly appreciate how quickly you got this video out it was very anticipated!
Wow no spoilers in the comments yet, pretty good guys.
Usually the top comments is a spoiler congratulating the winner, glad that’s not the case here. And the matches went to game 7 so even the timeline wasn’t a spoiler! Couldn’t ask for a better season of ASL. This was incredible.
Why would you read comments before watching finals???
nearly spat my drink out at the scouts. 10/10 casting guys, great work this series. looking foward to the next one!
Did I wait 3 days to watch this and ONLY this English cast?
Yes. Yes I did
Tastosis casting + an amazing set = A finals to go into the history books. Next season has huge boots to fill after this year and I can't wait! GG
I've watched this series 3 times. Literally one of the very best ever.
Awesome finals and cast! Really enjoy listening to Tastosis cast PvT's as they both have alot of knowledge about the matchup.
Hearing korean casters in the background made me paranoid that someone is actually screaming in my house. I had to take off my headphones once in a while lul
The scouts were just too funny.
The Tastosis scouts!
Terrific cast of a terrific series!
Been watching KSL and ASL since Remastered came out and these were some of the best moments in four years.
I can't remember when I was this excited for a match, these two pumping new life into this e-sport
Such good counterplay is definitely one for the ages.
Final stats for this season below!
I'll be posting a screenshot of my spreadsheet on my Twitter under the #ASLstats tag!
For the next season, should I start from 0 or add to this season stats?
*SPOILERS!* (Updated after today's games!)
*[Fun Facts]*
- Ballsy for Mini to go for the Double 9Gate in Game 6, as he lost horribly in Game 7 with the same build last season!
- Final score for our two players are 17-9 (13-8 without wildcard matches) for Rush and 15-5 for Mini!
- Rush leaves with a 7-5 against P, and Mini with a 9-3 against T.
- Top spawns have a 40-60 (40.0%) record, Bottom spawns 70-50 (58.3%)!
- On the other hand, clockwise spawn, left vs right are all within 10% of each other: *suggesting* that maps are quite well balanced in those regards, but might not be in top vs bottom.
- We had 110 games this season, and average game time was 14:30.
- Maps with a longer average time than that was: Largo (15:42), Polypoid (16:19) and Eclipse (17:11).
- Maps with shorter average time was: Lemon (14:02), Ascension (13:24), Good Night (12:27) and Revolver (10:41).
- Average game time on Ascension 13:24 didn't change with today's 13:07, so it should be quite accurate a number!
- Player expanding first wins 53.3% of the time. If we adjust for Zerg by taking the mean time between two first expands, this number increases to 60.0%!
- If we look in specific match-ups in PvT the number is 70.0%, but only 38.5% in ZvZ! So looking just at these numbers the message is clear: expand first in PvT, but expand later than your opponent in ZvZ!
*[Match-Ups]*
TvZ (32 games) 18-14 Average Time: 13:48
PvT (31 games) 17-14 Average Time: 17:43
ZvP (22 games) 11-11 Average Time: 13:50
ZvZ (15 games) Average Time: 09:19
PvP (6 games) Average Time: 13:34
TvT (4 games) Average Time: 19:38
*[Spawn Winrates]*
7/8 o'clock 41-27 60.3%
4/5 o'clock 29-23 55.8%
1 o'clock 23-35 39.7%
11/12 o'clock 17-25 40.5%
Bottom 70-50 58.3%
Left 58-52 52.7%
Right 52-58 47.3%
Top 40-60 40.0%
Against Clockwise Opponent: 30-36 45.5%
*[Maps]*
_Eclipse_ (22 games)
- TvZ 2-2, ZvP 2-6, PvT 4-3
- TvT 1, ZvZ 2
- Average Time: 17:11
_Polypoid_ (21 games)
- TvZ 3-2, ZvP 3-1, PvT 2-6
- TvT 1, ZvZ 3
- Average Time: 16:19
- Against Clockwise: 6-7
_Ascension_ (20 games)
- TvZ 4-2, ZvP 1-2, PvT 4-3
- TvT 1, ZvZ 3
- Average Time: 13:24
- Against Clockwise: 9-11
_Revolver_ (17 games)
- TvZ 3-2, ZvP 0-1, PvT 3-1
- TvT 1, ZvZ 2, PvP 3
- Average Time: 10:41
- Against Clockwise: 5-7
_Largo_ (12 games)
- TvZ 2-1, ZvP 3-0, PvT 1-1
- ZvZ 2, PvP 2
- Average Time: 15:42
- Against Clockwise: 4-4
_Good Night_ (9 games)
- TvZ 1-4, ZvP 2-0, PvT 1-0
- ZvZ 2
- Average Time: 12:27
- Against Clockwise: 3-5
_Lemon_ (8 games)
- TvZ 3-1, ZvP 1-0, PvT 2-0
- PvP 1
- Average Time: 14:02
- Against Clockwise: 3-2
Awesome, super interesting! Keep up the work. For next season, do both!
Thank you Hoku!
That's a lot of stats, very cool
52:20 That's right BW 4 EVER~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thank you AfreecaTV, Tastosis and all BW fanatics! You guys are legends
The scouts were pretty neat. Game-theoretically, they pose just a very easily deflectable threat, were you have to take minimal precautions to make them terrible, like keeping your marines back or bringing two more SCVs and make the turrets earlier. But because no-one ever makes them, people just skip those tiny precautions, and that made them good in that precise situation.
What I love about this is that, given that flipping any one game would have flipped the result, the Scouts were literally decisive for Mini's ASL victory.
They nudged the balance ever so slightly in another direction. Normally you want those marines to protect the tanks, so if you're holding them in back in case of scouts does that mean the Protoss going to pick a few tanks in the run back?
These games prove you can see 1000 SC games and still be surprised by the 1001st! SICK!
Big thanks to Tastosis for making the ASL accessible to English-speakers - YOU RULE!
Man . . . I just watched this again after seeing it when it first came out and I have to say, this is one of my favorite ASLs of all time. Beautiful back and forth strategic play.
"If you give a protoss a psi storm, he's going to eat a lot of goliaths"
give a toss a psi storm and he eats gols for a night. Teach a toss to psi storm and he'll eat gols the rest of his life.
You can tell which of the two has kids. That was a “give a mouse a cookie” reference.
@@bowserificB Definitely.... as a parent and old SC fan, I found the reference hilarious in an ASL cast. I know all about mice and cookies, moose and muffins, pigs and pancakes... and now Protoss and Goliaths.
@@johnquant9924 Definitely agree - coming from another parent and old time SC fan. Though I haven’t heard of the pig and pancakes one. I’m going to have to look that one up.
Best ASL finals IMO. And that scout game is going down in history!
Game 6 was fking crazy.
When Caster Park just immediately start burning the players at the start is hilarious. He just goes straight for the jugular.
I'm a huge Rush fan, hope he just keeps getting better.
Caster Park is a savage
What an epic series. Truly the greatest finals we could have hoped for. 2 Scouts were made, and they were actually useful. Mini is the BossToss
Game 1: 29:07
Game 2: 50:22
Game 3: 1:13:04
Game 4: 1:44:50
Game 5: 2:10:52
Game 6: 2:26:27
*Game 7:* 2:47:45
someone pin this!!!
Awesome series, awesome games
THANKS TASTOSIS AND AFREECATV
Love the casting guys. I'm currently saving money so I can move to south korea in the next couple years its my dream to come to these live events. Also would be cool to meet tastosis since I've been listening to you guys for your entire career .
Finally I’ve been waiting so long like you don’t even know XD
best videogame ever. glad is still alive and with many pros playing it
Good game. Mini is the best of Protoss all the time to me but he needs more practice on PvT. Rush however, he needs to improve his Goliath Micro and Vulture positioning. Really valuable players.
Holy Shit Holy Shit Holy Shit!!! I am beyond stoked, this season has been phenomonal, my two favorite players are up there, used to be just Rush and I had a predisposition against Mini because I thought his nails were a little offputting but he absolutely won me over and then I found out they were kind of like a charm for him and I know many crazy athlete stories so that totally recontextualized it but before I even knew that Mini won me over through is play and wearing his emotions on his sleeve. I'm fine with either of them winning, so much so I don't really know who to root for, above all else I'm really hoping for some absolutely fantastic games and hopefully 6 or 7 of them. Maybe I'm hoping for Mini to win this one and Rush can get the next one because the way Mini is, if he get's second for a third time he's going to get in his head that he's cursed. I think there is high probability that both players will be back, they're both getting older comparatively but their skill level in relationship to everybody else has never been higher. If Flash or some of the other massive pros come back they could be challenged but that would just lead to an even higher ceiling for matches. This is going to be so awesome, I accidently saw the length of the video which I try to ignore for spoiler reasons but at least I think this is fairly long even for a Bo7. *Let's Go!*
Flash and Fantasy are back in 2023, maybe S17 we can have a dream lineup.
this is one of the best series ive watched
Genuinely surprised by the result!!!! Best ASL finals yet imo!!
Mini's innovation and corner cutting was amazing to watch. It was also nice to see the all-in risky cheeses get rebuffed.
What great games. Both of these guys deserve to be champions.
Thank you guys so much for your casts! Tastosis forever!
O just orderd Asian food just to watch this finals.
Cant wait for it to arrive, and i´m sure Artosis & Tasteless did an amazing job, thank you !
Great series! Game 5 is the epitome of protoss though - double DT drop into triple expand, into carrier and then mad becuase it didn't work hahaa!
WILD MATCH! The final game... I was going back and forth! Incredible play from both!
amazing finals. Thanks for the fantastic cast!
Great cast, great series! I'm very happy for the winner!
I never really comment but I have to say, I love how tastosis isn't frills and loud talking most the time. It's nice hearing solid, obvious seasoned strategic conversation
All of these 3 mini's finals made me a mini fan now
Well, can't wait the next one! What a pleasure to watch.
Asl brood war is the best content anywhere period.
Finally the one and only the REAL English cast ;)
Great final.
Nyoken and Scan are great duo too man. Give them a try once maybe :)
Sigh this had to come out just as I planned on going to bed... this is a conspiracy against my sleep schedule!
Great final! Awesome prepareation of players for opponent and for maps! Enjoyed it so much!
I wanted the person who ended up losing to win, but still a great finals.
가을 전설이었어요! It was the Fall legend. Going back to like 2005 when Protoss would win in the fall.
@@alexfriedman2047 Don't forget 2011 too and how JangBi won
I was waiting for this video since past nov 7th
Mini is really good at making carriers, very useful talent toi have
Rush is likewise good at making tanks.
Wraiths and Scouts actually have almost identical A2G attacks. They're both 8(+1) normal damage with a 1.26 cooldown with no missile. The difference is just that Wraiths have more range (5 vs 4).
But the real difference is that Scouts are more than 50% more expensive than Wraiths while being and building more slowly and using a production building that is in high demand. Scouts are superior to Wraiths A2A, but Protoss just has better options for that (goons, cannons, corsairs, and high templar).
I was thinking that the Scouts pay highly for their 28+2 ATA damage, and maybe if:
- their missile attack was an upgrade at the fleet beacon
- use their ATG attack against air prior to the upgrade
- they started with the speed upgrade (I think its speed is locked behind an upgrade due to it being too easy to snipe Overlords with speed and 28 damage)
- reduced cost
Scouts could be actual _Scouts_ in the midgame, and only be the capital ship killers they are in the late game.
But hey, that's just theorycrafting ; )
Scouts are also beefier than Wraiths, the brute to the Wraith’s ninja. However, everyone’s G2A is so good that you’d really rather have cloak than more HP.
@@Appletank8 For the price of 12 scouts, you can get 15 wraiths and 14 missile turrets, and the scouts will _still_ take longer to finish and cost more supply. And even the fleet beacon costs more than the control tower. I think it's really more about the investment than it is about the quality of the final unit. Scouts aren't _that_ bad. (4 range is kind of a joke, though.)
@@EebstertheGreat
yea, if the scout took the same amount of time as wraiths to build they'd at least be useful as a niche surprise harass. They're already slow and take more time to get the resources needed to build.
Don't be misled by Artosis' propaganda machine, in spite of this win, protoss is still the race with least ASL championships. Free yourself from his prison world.
Maybe it is the easiest to get to S-Rank level, but once there, the weakest...
Flash showed you can be top with any race...
But when I play Broodwar, the only logical option for me is Protoss since I don’t have any apm and I have a very bad sense of timing and execution. I don’t see myself controling tons of units as Zerg or dealing with Terran’s mechanic as well as marine/medic micro. Protoss is the easiest race by far. Have you seen pro foreigners play Protoss in BSL? They look like me beating some single player campaign, a walk in the park.
At the highest levels, it's still pretty well balanced for how long this game has been going. Flash dominated for so long, it's hard to deny that his accomplishments alone skewed the stats on that a bit, at least until some of the other players found ways to finally catch up. Now that he's left the scene for awhile, I'm curious to see how much the "everyone else apart from Flash" argument holds weight. It's gonna be a wild few years, I wager.
Something something Flash doesn't count.
Great to see people back in the studio!
That was a great series all around. Man I love ASL!
This is the best casting and best series i've ever seen. Thank you to everyone involved.
Crazy to think that this game is more than two decades old and still pulls numbers that competes with the "superior" newer SC2.
I get the feeling caster park is as much of a legend as tastosis times two maybe. Love his interviews. If only.i spoke korean i could see how legendsry he eeally is
I am trying to figgure out if he's waring a wigg
yeah tastosis are legends to us in the smaller foreign scene but these guys are legends to the scene that practically made brood war a national sport
This finals was on par with the Flash/Effort and Larva/Mini ones.
It's funny how everyone was behind the winner.
And overall one of the best season despite no audience and no suit for Tastosis.
I loved all the small talks with the players (the shadow quiz, the bingo, the group selection), caster Park, Lee Hyun-Kyung, Tastosis and the production were awesome as usual.
ASL made 2021 way more bearable.
Now those scouts have to get some rest, their backs have to be in pain after how they carried Mini to victory :D
Amazing season of ASL again, cant w8 for season 13
Wondering why the bell icon didn’t notify me of this being uploaded 10 minutes ago.
Let’s go! Grand finals!
great season, great cast, great finals. Mini really puts pressure on himself; Im looking forward to seeing him next season. Hes a worthy ASL champ, and to think a few seasons back we watched him do the fateful drop on the island map :)
I'm so happy for the winner and so happy to be alive, STARCRAFT BROODWAR FOREVER!!!
people are finally allowed to watch these tournies in person? nice!
So glad this exists with Tastosis! Greetings from DrDarkRay
Congratulations Mini. You deserve the championship
That "scout" was truly a game changer.
Spoilers:
Mini's doing again that scumbag build that cost him season 11, but good thing is that he learned from it and did it when he had breathing space so he can afford even he lose it. Lost that match but came back strong in the end. Really capitalize on that Nexus first double Stargate throughout the game. Congrats to Mini, it's about time.
Edit: Those scouts will definitely become one of the best highlights of season 12. I'm already hearing how the Korean casters reacted to it. "DATATATATAT! DATATATATAT!" LMAO
2nd Edit: No "DATATATATAT!" but they're exhilarated as I expect them to.
Yeah, it was so anti-climatic last season losing the very last game to his own cheese!
He lost here as well, but thankfully it wasn't the very last game.
Well, looks like the two all time most handsome casters just decided what I'm doing for the next 3 hours.
Perfect campaign, Mini The Invincible Master Of Protoss!!
Caster Park really tried to get them heated, but they were already at each other's throat before he could really get it going. All he could do was react!
Gosh! Caster Park really made the interview so much more interesting!!
That was the most EPIC final match that I've seen in a very long time. Also, that victory ceremony made my eyes wet.
well you mean victory speech?
@@mareksicinski3726 yes
Congrats Mini ! and thanks casters ! English translation appreciated.
Gg mini I was pulling for you from day 1 glad to see the win
Epic match with epic commentary...Thank you
Excellent series! I think Rush really could have had this, but when he offensively attacked up a ram and then continued to overextend instead of retreat... well.. that was it for him. Loved the cast and the games.
Had me on the edge of my seat. Watching again
dam this was good, nice to see a protoss win
GG~! Mini&Rush. ANYway i hope God of Starcraft will back soon :x
The person who won has 4 letters in their name
What's the song at 49:11 ?
Insane set; wow scouts, batteries. Epic plays from both sides. Gg ! 💯💯
I'm pretty sure he knows Rush isn't a zerg player , LMAO
What a great series! man, it was so good