Ex-audio engineer here: Adding holes to a box changes the resonant frequency of the box. You can see different formulas for this by searching for porting and venting specs for speaker enclosures. How this might affect switch casing is that the frequency might be lowered depending on the venting. Since lower frequencies require more power to make the same sound pressure (see how multi-driver speaker setups have higher powered amps for the lower frequency drivers) it seems like it has the affect of reducing the overall sound pressure. Moving the frequency down also probably moves it out of the more sensitive-to-our-ears midrange into lower frequencies. There are probably a lot of tricks from acoustic design and the audio world that keyswitch manufacturers could adapt.
However there's more at play here because the switch has s just 1 component or enclosure in the system. You have areas where the switch housing contacts or would "vent" sound waves. Like the top of the housing under the keycaps, the area under the plate but above the PCB (typically containing dampening material now), and of course below the PCB but inside the lower section of the case. Since most enthusiast keyboards today are designed with rather large cases relative to the components inside you end up with a very large echo chamber make from probably ABS plastic or aluminum in premium cases. I imagine most of them create these large cases because they like the look (they must since many are custom designed keyboards they could create in other ways) or they want a particular angle of the keyboard without having the empty gap created with legs. It's more like tuning a speaker, that's inside a furniture cabinet with the front door open, inside your room. And without any DSP or digital methods for room correction. But yes, you are right the keyboard scene could learn a lot. Most want what they call a "thoc" sound, which is just a rather stupid way of saying they want to increase low frequencies while eliminating the higher frequencies they refer to as "ping" (and also reduce scratchiness which is really something from course parts rubbing in the switch). They should try to direct as much noise into the largest enclosed area they can, possible utilizing traps (walls to bounce sound around) and a large port hole on the bottom or back of the case (with some proper spacing). Slightly different approaches of you wanted to eliminate all sound of course.
I will never understand switch pricing. These have custom molds, and factory lubing which you would think add more manufacturing complexity, yet they're mad cheap. How does that work?
So I know these smaller companies like meirun and I’m assuming haimu as well are literally hand lubing their switches; that’s why they’re able to use a thicker lube with any precision! As far as the molds… I’d have to agree with you, haha! I actually have a friend whose family business was making keycaps for NASA and his explanation as to why injection molding is so costly is because you have to pay a highly specialized guy to create the mold… in his case, his grandpa is the only one in the company who knows how to precisely machine the molds, so when he passes they’ll have whole lines of machinery for injection molding that will be pretty much useless… if I had to venture a guess, the creator of haimu isn’t factoring in the cost of creating the molds into his own switches, as the word on the street is he can create the molds himself?
@@MakerMods injection moulding is relatively cheap to run, but has very expensive up front costs. The tooling can be thousands of pounds (UK)/dollars (US), but once they are made, they can be used to produce tens or even 100s of thousands of components. and that's the main deal with injection moulding: its a batch manufacuring technique and is only a good investment if you are going to make thousands and thousands of the same thing. if this guy is making his own moulds, then that massive upfront cost may be reduced so the main costs would be materials and labour (which are cheap in china, sadly)
That means zeal switch are super over priced and so are holy pandas. Try gateron milky yellow, jwick black, mx brown and mx blacks first. If you enjoy those, don't get suckered into buying more expensive switches just because some TH-camrs say it's awesome. A lot of them are getting paid to praise specific switches. Enjoy!
The Zeal guy has to pay rent in Vancouver? (I don’t know him, but I live in Van too, so saved some because they were somewhat cheaper since shipping and customs were less) And rent here is appalling 😢
Ok, I'm trusting you! I just bought a set of the Haimu Heartbeat Linears for an Epomaker TH80 that I am building... What I really like, and what convinced me to go for these, is that the silence is in the sophistication and elegance of the DESIGN, and not in add-on dampeners that may eventually wear out. Incidentally, I have Gateron North Pole 2.0's on another recently completed keyboard, and they are also pretty quiet - AND a major part of their design update was to not only add what appears to be a silicone doughnut at the bottom of the housing, but also to create an exhaust port adjacent to it. As your demonstration in the video shows, there IS something to having exhaust ports at the bottom of the housing to aid in silencing the switch. Hmmm... I'll report back after I get this project completed!
The leaf spring dampening is ingenious. I wonder if having a silicon dampener for the upstroke would be the best of both worlds. The Epomaker icebergs/Skyloong glaciers might be recolors of these switches.
Just discovered the Skyloong Glacier Silents - they very much look like the Epomaker Iceberg Silent. Same stem-design, holes in the bottom case... Thanks!
This is some clever design, I'll have to try out the linear version! I was also considering testing the newly revised TTC Frozen V2 as well, which uses a unique (but not so different) method of high durometer silicone damping, with two separate dampers on the housing as opposed to on the stem, and early reports were it was noticeably less mushy compared to conventional silent options. Cheers!
If the TTC has the damping in the housing rather than the stem, would it be possible to come up with a frankenswith that combines the TTC housing and the Haimu stems for something that's even quieter? (update: it looks like the top silencing on the TTC is embedded in the stem & the bottom housing silencing is just an elastomer in the bottom of the stem hole -- something that you could in theory reproduce yourself via the old trampoline mod)
@@timtuckercom Yeah I was a bit incorrect on that, the damper for the stem (top out) looks like it fits into a groove on the stem and the damper for the bottom is a small disk that fits in the stem guide (bottom out). I've still not tried these so I'm not sure if the length of the stem is shorter to accommodate for that, but I'd guess another standard-length stem would work with the bottom housing and the stem from this would work in a different housing when looking at the explored diagram. But yes, it's a variation on existing and old methods to dampen the impacts like the trampoline mod (damn that takes me back, haha). Also way back when, imsto sold 1mm silicone balls that fit in a standard MX stem guide to dampen bottom out as a more uniform solution, so I suspect this is the same but better/stiffer. It seems with the Heartbeat switches, which I have tried since this comment, the integrated stem 'damping' cutouts are on the top and bottom, so IMO there's no need to introduce silicone...they are super silent as is. I hope this design catches on for us silent switch users!
@@flockofwildcactus Admittely I was curious, since I'm not looking for silence as much as I'm trying to make things as soft as possible yet still be as tactile as possible
@@timtuckercom Sure thing! If you've not tried them yet, look into Gazzew Boba U4 as they have a pretty pronounced bump and have a softer silencing silicone, basically no need to mod other than if you wanted to hand lube (there is a special procedure to do this). I think what you're really after though is a Topre (HHKB, Realforce or Leopold) or Topre-clone board (like NIZ, but I've not tried these before) based on your preference. I use a Realforce at work, where I'm 100% typing only, and it's hands down the best option such that I no longer have any other MX tactile boards. Prior to that I was using a board with retooled MX Browns that had thin o-rings for work, but that was like 10 years ago now lol. Otherwise I prefer linear switches for all-around use (combined typing and gaming for example) but Topre is my favorite tactile experience personally. I'm looking forward to more refined Alps clones to come to market one day, as the original ones were unique and good in their own way (especially the tactile ones) on some vintage boards I've tried.
Look forward to trying these out when they’re in stock. Also, I like that you put clearly in description that they are affiliate links. Subtle but respectable
@@Sincald Oh interesting! I'd expect them to feel pretty similar to bobagums then; I'd personally prefer the haimus because they don't affect feel nearly as much!
I got a set of Phoenix as part of my silent linear comparison, and they're by FAR the loudest 'silent' switches I've tried. The upstroke doesn't even sound silenced at all.
I finally was able to get a set of the Whispers and I'm wildly shocked by how quiet they are. I still feel the bottom outs somewhat cushioned due to the relief cuts but it's nothing compared to U4s mushy bottom out. Not sure what I'll use them on but if I ever need a silent board they are my switches I'm using. Thanks heaps for the video!
I'd love a combination of this with the jwick semi-silent switch: - nylon top and bottom housings - 2 big holes on bottom housing like the Haimu silents - top housing has those grooves like in the oil king to mitigate north pole interference - up-stroke dampened stems like the jwick semi silents - 63.5g springs that way we could still have the 'thocky' bottom out albeit quieter and a silent top-out sound. Do this with a cute color scheme and a price less than 50 cents a switch and it'd be my endgame office switch I think
Great video. I am blown away that these are less than half the price of the Silent Alpacas which I had been considering for over 6 months now. Your comparison at the end absolutely sealed the deal.
Thanks for the feedback! I think the silent alpacas in particular were kinda contested in the comments, because other people have definitely liked them a lot, but I have very low tolerance for CRAP sounds and JWK is known for having a lot of leaf noise!
@@MakerMods I have no clue. I recently lubed all of the switches and there wasn't a change for me. I'm just starting with mechanical keyboards and have a tecware phantom to test what I do and don't like for mods.
These Haimus as well as WS SIlent Tactiles and most likely other silents with that same design (like Skyloong Glacier or Epomaker silents, for example) have another issue and that's noise on bounceback when the stem hits the top housing. They don't have silencing on the upstroke like Durock Shrimps and some others do, so they're silent on downstroke but the upstroke is noticeably louder...
This is really cool tech! It sounds like the linear heartbeats are quieter than the tactile whispers. (And the sound is just more pleasant as well.) But they both sound pleasantly quiet!
Would love it if you added a section in your switch reviews about "Gaming and Typing". There is a lot of discussion around how a switch feels when playing games or typing. Like is it mushy at the bottom, etc. Thanks!
Love your videos! The sound dampening effect when drilling holes in the other switch almost seemed magical. Would love to see more experimentation like that, especially with something like the Gateron Oil King. Would also be interesting learning about the effect of different hole diameters, placement, and number of holes. Please make a video like that! :D
Great suggestion! I've definitely been thinking about a project like that for a while... I've gotten very mixed feedback from several sources, some claiming this mod is game changing, while others say they can't replicate it. I guess I'll have to get my drill press ready... ;)
Thanks for giving this switch time under the spotlight! I'm currently toting the Outemu Silent White (only because of budget constraints hehe), but I've tested the Durock Dolphin, Durock Shrimp, Outemu Silent Gray, Boba U4, and Kailh Box Silent Pink. The Outemu Silent White is doing a good job at being silent but it's so much gummier and scratchier than the other ones I've tried, but they were the cheapest silents I could get. IMO the best I've tried so far is the Durock Dolphin (now that I have the budget for it, my 90-set is on the way!), because it's also whisper-quiet without the mush and scratch of the Silent White. Will give these switches a spin! That stem design is bloody brilliant, very innovative.
Awesome! I haven’t tried the Outemu silents but I do think that any switches that use rubber dampeners in an iteration of the cherry design will suffer from varying degrees of mush compared to the plastic dampeners in the haimu! A lot of people have commented that the epomaker silent switches are a bit cheaper and readily available with the same design!
@@MakerMods Yeah, the Durock Dolphins are IMO the best out of the rubber-dampened switches I've tried because even though the rubber is still there, it's the least mushy on bottom-out unlike the Outemus and the Boba U4. Can't wait to get a sampler of the Heartbeats, but I'll check out the Epomaker Iceberg too, since they seem to have a lot of variety with the spring and travel options. Thanks!
@@kingvegeta4527 All I can say is that I have a higher opinion of the Durock Shrimps than the Boba U4. The Durock silents are really something else, they use rubber dampeners like most other switches but they don't feel as mushy as the others that use them. Sadly the Outemu Grays are really a miss in the feel department. The Silent Whites and Silent Grays do their job at being quiet, just as good if not better than the Durocks, but they just don't feel great to use. They're the cheapest though, that's a win for them.
I went forward and ordered 90 pieces TTC Silent Frozen v2 for ~USD45, as a replacement to my really liked Gateron G Pro 3.0 Yellow, which are considered budget but are very nice and close to silent switches. Lets see how they will compare and hope I'll not be upset. The others that I was looking at were the Kaihl Deep Sea Silent Pro v2, costing about the same.
I'm gonna be honest, I have quite an unpopular opinion. I like the silicone method of silencing better. Those tactiles for example sound absolutely terrible to me. I think the softness of some silicone dampened silents is really nice, but I get that people find them mushy. Nice video!
Haha, it might be unpopular but that’s what’s so great about our hobby! There’s something for everyone and as long as you like it, that’s all that matters :)
Great video. I want to get those switches as I need silence when working overnight because my 5-month-old kid is sleeping in the next room. Sadly, I couldn't find those switches in the UK ... 😢 😞
Check out the Haimu x Geon (White, Black) if you haven't already. Holes on bottom and are loud if not louder. The silence is all about the stem + cutaway toward the bottom of the silent stem. Another fun mention: all of the parts are swappable; I'm considering some Geon White stem + Heartbeat rest for a build.
The holes looks like they exhaust the sound downwards. It will be interesting to try it with normal tactile and see if it changes the sound. Also by drilling the plastic, the small burr could cushion the bottom collision by a little.
Damn I just got the WS silent tactiles yesturday but now really want to try these out so I guess im getting both...also going to drill holes in the WS silents to see what that does to them
they should keep the rubber/foam dampeners for the upstroke and use the cutout thingy for bottom stroke as it wouldnt effect type feel that much on the upstroke and the switch would be quieter in theory
I have silent alpaca, they dont even do half the noise you can hear in this video. Plus if i can describe the bottoming out as soft, it is not mushy or spongy. Silicon design have an other benefit, your keys arent noisy when released.
I saw this review for them literally 3 hours after it went live, trying to do some research for my first custom keyboard and decided to order the heartbeat because I need to make sure I don't wake the fam with late night gaming All in all, I went with: Wind X98 Haimu Heartbeat Budget Dye-Sub PBT keycaps, since I spent all my money on the keyboard XD
I was wondering if you have compared these switches to the Wuque WS silent linears by chance? I've heard they are also made by Haimu and seem to have the same stem design. It would have been great if these were transparent or at least white. Awesome vid btw!
Nice vid ! I have the kailh prestige silent and the kailh deep sea silent pro box and they're silent af without being scratchy at all. Have you ever tried them ?
I was looking for a review on these! I think I might pick some up now. Question for you, though: What is the length of the spring inside this switch? I can't seem to find any info on it.
After I finally worked up the nerve to buy these (after your amazing review), I can't seem to find them. However, Wuque just released some switches made by Haimu. Wondering if you can do a comparison video between the Heartbeats and the new WS Silent Linear Switches?
Just got word via the cannonkeys email list that they should be restocked in limited quantities! I’ll be sure to do a comparison with the WS switches as well!
I got the Silent Heartbeats and I’m enjoying them a lot. One small problem is my spacebar is heavy enough to require much less force to actuate. Do you think using a tactile would solve that?
I'm extremely new to keyboard building. I will definitely buy the haimu heartbeat from your affiliate link. Can you give advice on how I should turn this into a keyboard? Do I need to buy a custom case? How do I find cases, and do you have a recommendation?
Haha awesome, welcome to the community! First I’d say you should decide what form factor you like (60 if you don’t need arrow keys/f-row, 65 if you need arrows, 65/tkl if you need f-row, and 96 if you need a full board) then decide your budget! I have some recs depending on your answer to those questions, so feel free to comment back!
@@MakerMods Thank you very much My Heartbeats actually just arrived and it's insane how silent they are. I can barely even hear a bit of spring compression. It's like I'm pressing air. I want a 75% for the arrow keys and F-row. Budget was hopefully less than €200 and this gets there, but shipping cost a whole lot for these parts :(. I think I overpaid for it all, but I went with a Keychron V1 case w/knob (I hope the plastic case won't ruin the silence). For keycaps I just got some Pudding Doubleshot PBT. I'm not certain how it affects the sound so I picked them for looks. Is this a good combo? Keychron V1, Pudding Doubleshot PBT, Haimu Heartbeat Are there any mods you would do to this board?(I watched a lot of keyboard content these past 2 days...)
Update: pretty crunchy sound. Still quieter than my friends' prebuilt razer and corsair keyboards. I should have lubed the stabalisers. The knob doesn't get used because I never got it setup correctly. DO NOT go for 75%. You won't find a keycap set that makes the right size keycaps for the 3 keys right of the spacebar. I made it look pretty normal but it's not perfect. Some incredible budget options came out this year anyways. get those
These switches have a slight click to it. After using these Haimu switches, I honestly think my roselios sound and feel way better even though they have those rubber dampener for the "mushy" feel .
Apologies if you answered this in the video, but how do the tactiles sound & feel compared to Boba U4s? Just bought another set of them for my second build. Haven’t used any other silent tactile switches but they feel great to me and the feedback is exactly what I wanted coming from MX Browns. (Tried Gateron Reds and learned I hate linears unfortunately lol)
@@MakerMods do you think they'd be fine without any filming? looking for something to bring to work asap and don't currently have the time to film my switches
What are your thoughts/guidance on how to best lube these? Do you recommend avoiding lubing the legs? Any special considerations? I know the typical silent switches with rubber dampeners can be easily ruined if not lubed correctly, so curious what to do here
Yes, as with most tactiles, don't lube the legs. If you're not satisfied with factory lubing, wipe the lube off and lube just the side railings and maybe the springs if there's a ping... Also, you usually use thinner lube for tactiles. If you don't have something like Tribosys 3203 or 3204, use the usual 205G0 but only a thin layer. More lube messes with tactility so it's about finding the right balance between smoothness and tactility...
Love that ! I'd like to frankenswitch my Gateron optical bases with some better silent tops and stems than Gateron ink . These Heartbeats are less mushy, about as wobbly (or slightly more if I'm not wrong) but less expensive) they make a good contender. Does anyone knows if this mix could work properly ? I've been searching in the switchmodder list but Haimu is too young to show in it... :/
Is it just me or does these silent switches often end up sounding a bit like Topre? If there’s a way to get Topre feel but with a quicker return speed, I’m all in. Spring ping also has to be nil.
I wouldn't say it's a mush feeling as it is like punching with boxing gloves on rather than with a bare fist... I like the soft feeling too, it's a more pleasant feeling when using a hard plate like one made of brass. Don't get me wrong I love the feel of my non silent switches too but silicone dampeners aren't bad, otherwise people wouldn't buy them as much as they do.
Has anyone seen the heartbeat switches in stock anywhere? I was only able to find them listed on cannonkeys but they're out of stock completely. The whisper at least is in stock there but nowhere else really. Seems for now you can't get the heartbeats anywhere though that I could find.
I think they’re still recovering inventory levels from their Black Friday sale, haha! I heard there are several similarly designed switches out now, including the WS silent switches although I haven’t had a chance to compare them myself yet!
@@MakerMods Oh thanks for the info, that's super helpful! By the way, in your video you mentioned drilling 4 holes along one of the edges of the bottom of the switch housing on the heartbeats made them quieter, do you think this effect might apply to all switches or is it possible it could make e.g. a tactile/blue type switch louder?
Are these still the best feeling silent switches on the market? I see they are sold out right now and I'm considering whether I should wait for them to be restocked or try something else.
Well , there is another ( 2 ) switch to test then, these ones, in a quest to find a switch that has a tactile feedback of a Holy ( Glorious) Panda, but as silent as a Cherry MX silent red
Between whisper and heartbeat which feels better. I'm a linear girl but feel like for silent I will have to give tactile a chance, though it feels whispers sounds louder than other tactiles in the silent category.
I definitely agree that whispers are louder than other traditional tactile silents! I personally really love the heartbeat linears, so that'd have to be my rec if I had to pick one :)
@@MakerMods I will wait until some other vendors have it closer by to try them out. Also, do you mind sharing the tool used for adding the holes on the bottom of the switches, thanks :3
How are they for consistency across a batch of switches. Some skeptics suggest the engineering tolerance might not be accurate enough to provide consistency, but I find tolerances in other aspects of switches to be pretty good, so don't see why this would be an issue.
I felt like my batch of 90 was very consistent across the board, for both the heartbeats and the whispers! I also stress tested to 500k actuations and they didn’t have any noticeable degradation.
Nice switches, didn't knew them. Can you make a dedicated video with some switches with and without these holes comparing sound level? Maybe with ink Black, milky yellow pro, North pole, boba u4t.. 😅😅 How about lubing these switches and these holes? Is there a risk of leaking lube to pcb?
HAHA! I might be down to give it a try once I can get through my review queue… but to be honest, taking the cap yellows as an example I don’t think the reduction in sound is worth destroying the switches if you’re really looking for pure silence :P Edit: and as for lube leaking, it shouldn’t be an issue if you aren’t gooping it in there. A light even coat is all you need, and in any event getting lube on your pcb isn’t going to really harm it. On our topre boards, we smear 205g0 on the PCB before installing the domes! :D
@@MakerMods Thanks for replying! The curiosity is about how much a hole can decrease bottom stroke volume of well known switches. Maybe with 1 switch each model, not a full keyboard. I'll get Haimu linears but to use only in office. Really like the silence of Haimu without the mushy of other silent switches.
Have you tried Kailh KT Apricot/Grey? I got 10pcs samples for both and they are also silent and not mushy. Greys are linear, Apricots are tactile. Apricots feel much better than my mushy BOX Silent Browns
Do you think the top housing is changeable with anything else? I can sort of see the switches in this board and would love to theme them green. any ideas on which ones would work?
I can try doing some top housing swaps, but I think there are a few epomaker silents that are also haimu manufactured with the same tech that might fit your color scheme better!
Yeah I’ve actually been curious about the geckos since I read theremingoats review, let me see if I can order some :) might not be a full review based on how I feel about them but I’ll definitely let you know!
So sorry for the late reply!!! If you are still looking for an in-stock board, I'd say the keychron q1 is a great option, and it's hot swap so you can put your choice of switches (it's kind of like legos where you just plug them in!) I'm not too aware of prebuilt keyboards that offer silent switches as an option, but akko might offer one with their silent switches as well. If you ping me on discord (MakerMods#8008) then we could figure out a build for your budget!
@@MakerMods Thanks so much. And double thanks on the Haimu video. I bought the Haimu Heartbeats a couple weeks ago. And it is just simply SUBLIME. I look forward to seeing your tests on other switches that you drill. Can I ask what drill bit size you're using? I'm about to have a bunch of leftover parts (from making creampacas), and would probably just try it on a few for fun
@@MakerMods I was skeptical but ordered some, and you’re right! They feel better to type on than Boba U4s, while still being quiet enough for an office setting. This’ll be the new switch I use all day long, so many thanks for the tip!
Funnily enough, the heartbeats and whispers are more copies of the glacier silents than the other way around because the glacier silents came out first. but thats like saying every jwk linear is an "alpaca copy". its just a type of switch haimu makes, one really isn't a "copy" of the other in my opinion...
For anyone that got these, do you think they need, or would benefit from lubing? I just got my bag and they feel pretty darn smooth but I'm not sure if that would make them even quieter?
*presses like button silently*
silently cheers for this 🎉🤫
I liked it so much I hit the like button 4 times, then hit the dislike button for good measure.
Ex-audio engineer here: Adding holes to a box changes the resonant frequency of the box. You can see different formulas for this by searching for porting and venting specs for speaker enclosures. How this might affect switch casing is that the frequency might be lowered depending on the venting. Since lower frequencies require more power to make the same sound pressure (see how multi-driver speaker setups have higher powered amps for the lower frequency drivers) it seems like it has the affect of reducing the overall sound pressure. Moving the frequency down also probably moves it out of the more sensitive-to-our-ears midrange into lower frequencies. There are probably a lot of tricks from acoustic design and the audio world that keyswitch manufacturers could adapt.
so more holes, bigger holes = quieter?
However there's more at play here because the switch has s just 1 component or enclosure in the system. You have areas where the switch housing contacts or would "vent" sound waves. Like the top of the housing under the keycaps, the area under the plate but above the PCB (typically containing dampening material now), and of course below the PCB but inside the lower section of the case. Since most enthusiast keyboards today are designed with rather large cases relative to the components inside you end up with a very large echo chamber make from probably ABS plastic or aluminum in premium cases. I imagine most of them create these large cases because they like the look (they must since many are custom designed keyboards they could create in other ways) or they want a particular angle of the keyboard without having the empty gap created with legs. It's more like tuning a speaker, that's inside a furniture cabinet with the front door open, inside your room. And without any DSP or digital methods for room correction.
But yes, you are right the keyboard scene could learn a lot. Most want what they call a "thoc" sound, which is just a rather stupid way of saying they want to increase low frequencies while eliminating the higher frequencies they refer to as "ping" (and also reduce scratchiness which is really something from course parts rubbing in the switch). They should try to direct as much noise into the largest enclosed area they can, possible utilizing traps (walls to bounce sound around) and a large port hole on the bottom or back of the case (with some proper spacing). Slightly different approaches of you wanted to eliminate all sound of course.
The Cap Yellow experiment was great.
The Whisper tactile audio in the first half was quite overboosted, but the comparison audio was more reassuring.
I will never understand switch pricing. These have custom molds, and factory lubing which you would think add more manufacturing complexity, yet they're mad cheap. How does that work?
So I know these smaller companies like meirun and I’m assuming haimu as well are literally hand lubing their switches; that’s why they’re able to use a thicker lube with any precision! As far as the molds… I’d have to agree with you, haha! I actually have a friend whose family business was making keycaps for NASA and his explanation as to why injection molding is so costly is because you have to pay a highly specialized guy to create the mold… in his case, his grandpa is the only one in the company who knows how to precisely machine the molds, so when he passes they’ll have whole lines of machinery for injection molding that will be pretty much useless… if I had to venture a guess, the creator of haimu isn’t factoring in the cost of creating the molds into his own switches, as the word on the street is he can create the molds himself?
@@MakerMods injection moulding is relatively cheap to run, but has very expensive up front costs. The tooling can be thousands of pounds (UK)/dollars (US), but once they are made, they can be used to produce tens or even 100s of thousands of components. and that's the main deal with injection moulding: its a batch manufacuring technique and is only a good investment if you are going to make thousands and thousands of the same thing.
if this guy is making his own moulds, then that massive upfront cost may be reduced so the main costs would be materials and labour (which are cheap in china, sadly)
That means zeal switch are super over priced and so are holy pandas. Try gateron milky yellow, jwick black, mx brown and mx blacks first. If you enjoy those, don't get suckered into buying more expensive switches just because some TH-camrs say it's awesome. A lot of them are getting paid to praise specific switches. Enjoy!
The Zeal guy has to pay rent in Vancouver?
(I don’t know him, but I live in Van too, so saved some because they were somewhat cheaper since shipping and customs were less)
And rent here is appalling 😢
@@IronCan88Zeal switches have pretty much been overpriced since round 2 of the V1s, everything after that could have absolutely been cheaper.
Ok, I'm trusting you! I just bought a set of the Haimu Heartbeat Linears for an Epomaker TH80 that I am building...
What I really like, and what convinced me to go for these, is that the silence is in the sophistication and elegance of the DESIGN, and not in add-on dampeners that may eventually wear out. Incidentally, I have Gateron North Pole 2.0's on another recently completed keyboard, and they are also pretty quiet - AND a major part of their design update was to not only add what appears to be a silicone doughnut at the bottom of the housing, but also to create an exhaust port adjacent to it. As your demonstration in the video shows, there IS something to having exhaust ports at the bottom of the housing to aid in silencing the switch. Hmmm...
I'll report back after I get this project completed!
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The leaf spring dampening is ingenious. I wonder if having a silicon dampener for the upstroke would be the best of both worlds. The Epomaker icebergs/Skyloong glaciers might be recolors of these switches.
I believe haimu is an OEM for epomaker so it makes sense!
Just discovered the Skyloong Glacier Silents - they very much look like the Epomaker Iceberg Silent. Same stem-design, holes in the bottom case... Thanks!
Wow, so many tests, huge props for how comprehensive this is
This is some clever design, I'll have to try out the linear version! I was also considering testing the newly revised TTC Frozen V2 as well, which uses a unique (but not so different) method of high durometer silicone damping, with two separate dampers on the housing as opposed to on the stem, and early reports were it was noticeably less mushy compared to conventional silent options. Cheers!
Ooh I might have to check them out, but tbh the heartbeats are smooth, silent, and… I can’t imagine a silent switch being “better” than this, haha!
If the TTC has the damping in the housing rather than the stem, would it be possible to come up with a frankenswith that combines the TTC housing and the Haimu stems for something that's even quieter?
(update: it looks like the top silencing on the TTC is embedded in the stem & the bottom housing silencing is just an elastomer in the bottom of the stem hole -- something that you could in theory reproduce yourself via the old trampoline mod)
@@timtuckercom Yeah I was a bit incorrect on that, the damper for the stem (top out) looks like it fits into a groove on the stem and the damper for the bottom is a small disk that fits in the stem guide (bottom out). I've still not tried these so I'm not sure if the length of the stem is shorter to accommodate for that, but I'd guess another standard-length stem would work with the bottom housing and the stem from this would work in a different housing when looking at the explored diagram. But yes, it's a variation on existing and old methods to dampen the impacts like the trampoline mod (damn that takes me back, haha). Also way back when, imsto sold 1mm silicone balls that fit in a standard MX stem guide to dampen bottom out as a more uniform solution, so I suspect this is the same but better/stiffer. It seems with the Heartbeat switches, which I have tried since this comment, the integrated stem 'damping' cutouts are on the top and bottom, so IMO there's no need to introduce silicone...they are super silent as is. I hope this design catches on for us silent switch users!
@@flockofwildcactus Admittely I was curious, since I'm not looking for silence as much as I'm trying to make things as soft as possible yet still be as tactile as possible
@@timtuckercom Sure thing! If you've not tried them yet, look into Gazzew Boba U4 as they have a pretty pronounced bump and have a softer silencing silicone, basically no need to mod other than if you wanted to hand lube (there is a special procedure to do this). I think what you're really after though is a Topre (HHKB, Realforce or Leopold) or Topre-clone board (like NIZ, but I've not tried these before) based on your preference. I use a Realforce at work, where I'm 100% typing only, and it's hands down the best option such that I no longer have any other MX tactile boards. Prior to that I was using a board with retooled MX Browns that had thin o-rings for work, but that was like 10 years ago now lol. Otherwise I prefer linear switches for all-around use (combined typing and gaming for example) but Topre is my favorite tactile experience personally. I'm looking forward to more refined Alps clones to come to market one day, as the original ones were unique and good in their own way (especially the tactile ones) on some vintage boards I've tried.
Look forward to trying these out when they’re in stock. Also, I like that you put clearly in description that they are affiliate links. Subtle but respectable
There are a few options on the market that use the same design, like the WS silents and epomaker silent switches!
@@MakerMods could you recommend some more silent switches that use same design?
I only just bought some Gamakay Phoenix silents for my housemate's first mech board, but I'll keep these in mind if it turns out they feel too mushy
Yeah definitely! They’re definitely awesome Solent’s; I haven’t checked out the Gamakay. Do they use rubber dampeners?
@@MakerMods They've got the translucent rubber/silicone slider insert just like the Gazzew ones at 0:32
@@Sincald Oh interesting! I'd expect them to feel pretty similar to bobagums then; I'd personally prefer the haimus because they don't affect feel nearly as much!
I got a set of Phoenix as part of my silent linear comparison, and they're by FAR the loudest 'silent' switches I've tried. The upstroke doesn't even sound silenced at all.
@@ratbuddy1 which is the quietest linear so far?
I finally was able to get a set of the Whispers and I'm wildly shocked by how quiet they are. I still feel the bottom outs somewhat cushioned due to the relief cuts but it's nothing compared to U4s mushy bottom out. Not sure what I'll use them on but if I ever need a silent board they are my switches I'm using. Thanks heaps for the video!
no problem, glad you like them! :D
I'd love a combination of this with the jwick semi-silent switch:
- nylon top and bottom housings
- 2 big holes on bottom housing like the Haimu silents
- top housing has those grooves like in the oil king to mitigate north pole interference
- up-stroke dampened stems like the jwick semi silents
- 63.5g springs
that way we could still have the 'thocky' bottom out albeit quieter and a silent top-out sound. Do this with a cute color scheme and a price less than 50 cents a switch and it'd be my endgame office switch I think
Great video. I am blown away that these are less than half the price of the Silent Alpacas which I had been considering for over 6 months now. Your comparison at the end absolutely sealed the deal.
Thanks for the feedback! I think the silent alpacas in particular were kinda contested in the comments, because other people have definitely liked them a lot, but I have very low tolerance for CRAP sounds and JWK is known for having a lot of leaf noise!
I, too, was looking at the Silent Alpacas, and when I saw this video and the "spacebar" video, I was sold. I have Heartbeat Silent Linears on the way!
This video is awesome! Thank you. Drilling holes in Outemu reds did not change the sound at all. I had to try it
Ooh interesting, that's good to know! I wonder why it worked on some but not others.
@@MakerMods I have no clue. I recently lubed all of the switches and there wasn't a change for me. I'm just starting with mechanical keyboards and have a tecware phantom to test what I do and don't like for mods.
These Haimus as well as WS SIlent Tactiles and most likely other silents with that same design (like Skyloong Glacier or Epomaker silents, for example) have another issue and that's noise on bounceback when the stem hits the top housing. They don't have silencing on the upstroke like Durock Shrimps and some others do, so they're silent on downstroke but the upstroke is noticeably louder...
This is really cool tech! It sounds like the linear heartbeats are quieter than the tactile whispers. (And the sound is just more pleasant as well.)
But they both sound pleasantly quiet!
Would love it if you added a section in your switch reviews about "Gaming and Typing". There is a lot of discussion around how a switch feels when playing games or typing. Like is it mushy at the bottom, etc. Thanks!
Wow some actual innovation! I might check these out just to support them.
Yeah I’m really excited to see what they come out with next!!
Love your videos! The sound dampening effect when drilling holes in the other switch almost seemed magical. Would love to see more experimentation like that, especially with something like the Gateron Oil King.
Would also be interesting learning about the effect of different hole diameters, placement, and number of holes.
Please make a video like that! :D
Great suggestion! I've definitely been thinking about a project like that for a while... I've gotten very mixed feedback from several sources, some claiming this mod is game changing, while others say they can't replicate it. I guess I'll have to get my drill press ready... ;)
@@MakerMods That sounds awesome! Looking forward to it 😁
@@MakerMods I have a question, how did you drill the holes? Its because I also want to do the same thing with my cherry mx silents
i love the gazzew boba u4 silents! the tactility is lovely
Ooh I'll have to check them out; I've heard a lot of good things about them!
@@MakerMods I think they're solid, though definitely better lubed. No filming needed is what I've seen most people say
Thanks for giving this switch time under the spotlight! I'm currently toting the Outemu Silent White (only because of budget constraints hehe), but I've tested the Durock Dolphin, Durock Shrimp, Outemu Silent Gray, Boba U4, and Kailh Box Silent Pink. The Outemu Silent White is doing a good job at being silent but it's so much gummier and scratchier than the other ones I've tried, but they were the cheapest silents I could get. IMO the best I've tried so far is the Durock Dolphin (now that I have the budget for it, my 90-set is on the way!), because it's also whisper-quiet without the mush and scratch of the Silent White.
Will give these switches a spin! That stem design is bloody brilliant, very innovative.
Awesome! I haven’t tried the Outemu silents but I do think that any switches that use rubber dampeners in an iteration of the cherry design will suffer from varying degrees of mush compared to the plastic dampeners in the haimu! A lot of people have commented that the epomaker silent switches are a bit cheaper and readily available with the same design!
@@MakerMods Yeah, the Durock Dolphins are IMO the best out of the rubber-dampened switches I've tried because even though the rubber is still there, it's the least mushy on bottom-out unlike the Outemus and the Boba U4.
Can't wait to get a sampler of the Heartbeats, but I'll check out the Epomaker Iceberg too, since they seem to have a lot of variety with the spring and travel options. Thanks!
how is your experience with durock shrimp and outemu sikent gray?
@@kingvegeta4527 All I can say is that I have a higher opinion of the Durock Shrimps than the Boba U4. The Durock silents are really something else, they use rubber dampeners like most other switches but they don't feel as mushy as the others that use them.
Sadly the Outemu Grays are really a miss in the feel department. The Silent Whites and Silent Grays do their job at being quiet, just as good if not better than the Durocks, but they just don't feel great to use. They're the cheapest though, that's a win for them.
Are the EPOMAKER Silent Sea Salt switches good? There about $27 CAD on Amazon.
I went forward and ordered 90 pieces TTC Silent Frozen v2 for ~USD45, as a replacement to my really liked Gateron G Pro 3.0 Yellow, which are considered budget but are very nice and close to silent switches. Lets see how they will compare and hope I'll not be upset. The others that I was looking at were the Kaihl Deep Sea Silent Pro v2, costing about the same.
Oh damn! I should get few bags on my boards. Thank you for the very informative video and keep it up!!!!
Thanks so much for the support!!
Nice vid bro, i love how dedicated you are by using app to measure decibels for each switch.
Thank you!!!!
Really great review! Comprehensive and to the point. Thanks for the work!
Dude, this the first time I landed in your Channel.
But for a second I though "Wow, Wang started YT now". 😂😂
Great 👍 review. I wonder how they stack up against Oil Kings in stem wobble. 👀
The wobble was very well controlled because of the box-like stem!
I'm gonna be honest, I have quite an unpopular opinion. I like the silicone method of silencing better. Those tactiles for example sound absolutely terrible to me. I think the softness of some silicone dampened silents is really nice, but I get that people find them mushy. Nice video!
Haha, it might be unpopular but that’s what’s so great about our hobby! There’s something for everyone and as long as you like it, that’s all that matters :)
Great video. I want to get those switches as I need silence when working overnight because my 5-month-old kid is sleeping in the next room. Sadly, I couldn't find those switches in the UK ... 😢 😞
So I just found out that the epomaker iceberg (?) silents use the same stem design, and they should be available worldwide!
Recently found your channel, love all of your switch reviews!!!!
Just noticed that the new Moondrop switches seem to have the same bottom housing holes in them, as well as a very similar stem.
Nice review as always.
Check out the Haimu x Geon (White, Black) if you haven't already. Holes on bottom and are loud if not louder. The silence is all about the stem + cutaway toward the bottom of the silent stem. Another fun mention: all of the parts are swappable; I'm considering some Geon White stem + Heartbeat rest for a build.
but the black and white switches has longer poles so they could bottom out with the pole not the bottom housing, idk tho haven’t tried it yet
The holes looks like they exhaust the sound downwards. It will be interesting to try it with normal tactile and see if it changes the sound. Also by drilling the plastic, the small burr could cushion the bottom collision by a little.
Check out ttc silents please. They're very firm and fairly silent, also very different from the other silents
Ooh for sure, I’ll take a look! Do you know if they’re using a similar stem design?
Damn I just got the WS silent tactiles yesturday but now really want to try these out so I guess im getting both...also going to drill holes in the WS silents to see what that does to them
they should keep the rubber/foam dampeners for the upstroke and use the cutout thingy for bottom stroke as it wouldnt effect type feel that much on the upstroke and the switch would be quieter in theory
I have silent alpaca, they dont even do half the noise you can hear in this video. Plus if i can describe the bottoming out as soft, it is not mushy or spongy. Silicon design have an other benefit, your keys arent noisy when released.
I saw this review for them literally 3 hours after it went live, trying to do some research for my first custom keyboard and decided to order the heartbeat because I need to make sure I don't wake the fam with late night gaming
All in all, I went with:
Wind X98
Haimu Heartbeat
Budget Dye-Sub PBT keycaps, since I spent all my money on the keyboard XD
Beautiful build! The heartbeats are seriously great feeling and silent so I’m sure you’ll be happy!!
I was wondering if you have compared these switches to the Wuque WS silent linears by chance? I've heard they are also made by Haimu and seem to have the same stem design. It would have been great if these were transparent or at least white. Awesome vid btw!
Thanks for this video! Do you the chance to compare them to Wuque WS Silent Linear Switches?
WS silents use the same tech, and I believe they are also produced by haimu :)
Nice vid ! I have the kailh prestige silent and the kailh deep sea silent pro box and they're silent af without being scratchy at all. Have you ever tried them ?
I was looking for a review on these! I think I might pick some up now. Question for you, though: What is the length of the spring inside this switch? I can't seem to find any info on it.
Let me measure it tomorrow! However from my recollection they weren’t long by any means :P
After I finally worked up the nerve to buy these (after your amazing review), I can't seem to find them. However, Wuque just released some switches made by Haimu. Wondering if you can do a comparison video between the Heartbeats and the new WS Silent Linear Switches?
Just got word via the cannonkeys email list that they should be restocked in limited quantities! I’ll be sure to do a comparison with the WS switches as well!
@@MakerMods They sold out so quickly. Hoping these will be a nice consolation.
Great review! If these were available in Germany, that'd be nice. 35$ shipping cost is kinda hard to stomach.. Might give them a try anyway.
I’ve been told that epomaker switches are similar/same molds, and you might be able to find them on Amazon.de!
I got the Silent Heartbeats and I’m enjoying them a lot. One small problem is my spacebar is heavy enough to require much less force to actuate. Do you think using a tactile would solve that?
You could swap a heavier spring!
I'm extremely new to keyboard building. I will definitely buy the haimu heartbeat from your affiliate link. Can you give advice on how I should turn this into a keyboard? Do I need to buy a custom case? How do I find cases, and do you have a recommendation?
Haha awesome, welcome to the community! First I’d say you should decide what form factor you like (60 if you don’t need arrow keys/f-row, 65 if you need arrows, 65/tkl if you need f-row, and 96 if you need a full board) then decide your budget! I have some recs depending on your answer to those questions, so feel free to comment back!
@@MakerMods Thank you very much My Heartbeats actually just arrived and it's insane how silent they are. I can barely even hear a bit of spring compression. It's like I'm pressing air.
I want a 75% for the arrow keys and F-row.
Budget was hopefully less than €200 and this gets there, but shipping cost a whole lot for these parts :(.
I think I overpaid for it all, but I went with a Keychron V1 case w/knob (I hope the plastic case won't ruin the silence).
For keycaps I just got some Pudding Doubleshot PBT. I'm not certain how it affects the sound so I picked them for looks.
Is this a good combo? Keychron V1, Pudding Doubleshot PBT, Haimu Heartbeat
Are there any mods you would do to this board?(I watched a lot of keyboard content these past 2 days...)
Update: pretty crunchy sound. Still quieter than my friends' prebuilt razer and corsair keyboards. I should have lubed the stabalisers. The knob doesn't get used because I never got it setup correctly. DO NOT go for 75%. You won't find a keycap set that makes the right size keycaps for the 3 keys right of the spacebar. I made it look pretty normal but it's not perfect.
Some incredible budget options came out this year anyways. get those
These switches have a slight click to it. After using these Haimu switches, I honestly think my roselios sound and feel way better even though they have those rubber dampener for the "mushy" feel .
I recognize that Lampmode track at the beginning fam! Dope!
Haha thanks! I actually just picked up an MPK mini to try and make my own beats, but it's... way harder than building keyboards, LOL!
Apologies if you answered this in the video, but how do the tactiles sound & feel compared to Boba U4s? Just bought another set of them for my second build. Haven’t used any other silent tactile switches but they feel great to me and the feedback is exactly what I wanted coming from MX Browns. (Tried Gateron Reds and learned I hate linears unfortunately lol)
Haha! I haven’t tried U4’s but if the bump is like the u4t, then I’d expect the whispers to be less tactile.
Awesome review! Convinced me to get my hands on some heartbeats and see how it goes. By the way, what films were used when you said you filmed them?
Deskeys!
@@MakerMods do you think they'd be fine without any filming? looking for something to bring to work asap and don't currently have the time to film my switches
What should I choose?
YUNZII Caramel Coffee
Akko fairy
Outemu Silent Peach V2 RGB
Great comparison audio! You put a lot of work into this video.
What are your thoughts/guidance on how to best lube these? Do you recommend avoiding lubing the legs? Any special considerations? I know the typical silent switches with rubber dampeners can be easily ruined if not lubed correctly, so curious what to do here
Yes, as with most tactiles, don't lube the legs. If you're not satisfied with factory lubing, wipe the lube off and lube just the side railings and maybe the springs if there's a ping...
Also, you usually use thinner lube for tactiles. If you don't have something like Tribosys 3203 or 3204, use the usual 205G0 but only a thin layer. More lube messes with tactility so it's about finding the right balance between smoothness and tactility...
I can't believe the price on these heartbeat switches. I snagged two 36 packs for $21.
Lets see if the Haimu Heartbeat Linear can dethrone the Gamakay Pegasus Silent. Going to see how these go up against the silent Pegasus.
What do you think about taking a video with contact lenses and no lens glasses???
please do a haimu x geon red silent switch comparing to haimu heartbeat pleaseee
oooh I'll definitely have to do an updated silent switch video!
Did you lube these? Mine have an awful ping not sure if bag lubing the springs will correct or not. Thanks!
The stem looks similar to Feker Silent Pink Switches Aphonia. Wonder if they are they same?
Great video. Everything I need to know about this switch. Sub'd.
I am about to buy them, wondering if filming them is required? Also lube since its factory lubed? Thanks
Love that !
I'd like to frankenswitch my Gateron optical bases with some better silent tops and stems than Gateron ink . These Heartbeats are less mushy, about as wobbly (or slightly more if I'm not wrong) but less expensive) they make a good contender. Does anyone knows if this mix could work properly ?
I've been searching in the switchmodder list but Haimu is too young to show in it... :/
awesome video. you covered EVERYTHING i wanted to know. heres a sub
Awesome, thank you! (sorry for the late reply life's been kinda crazy these days haha)
Is it just me or does these silent switches often end up sounding a bit like Topre? If there’s a way to get Topre feel but with a quicker return speed, I’m all in.
Spring ping also has to be nil.
Probably getting some Haimu Heartbeats to try out. Any thoughts on switchpads/tripods on heartbeats? Will it make it mushy?
I don’t think it’ll make a big difference as far as feel is concerned! I can try one out and let you know :P
I wouldn't say it's a mush feeling as it is like punching with boxing gloves on rather than with a bare fist... I like the soft feeling too, it's a more pleasant feeling when using a hard plate like one made of brass. Don't get me wrong I love the feel of my non silent switches too but silicone dampeners aren't bad, otherwise people wouldn't buy them as much as they do.
Has anyone seen the heartbeat switches in stock anywhere? I was only able to find them listed on cannonkeys but they're out of stock completely. The whisper at least is in stock there but nowhere else really. Seems for now you can't get the heartbeats anywhere though that I could find.
I think they’re still recovering inventory levels from their Black Friday sale, haha! I heard there are several similarly designed switches out now, including the WS silent switches although I haven’t had a chance to compare them myself yet!
@@MakerMods Oh thanks for the info, that's super helpful! By the way, in your video you mentioned drilling 4 holes along one of the edges of the bottom of the switch housing on the heartbeats made them quieter, do you think this effect might apply to all switches or is it possible it could make e.g. a tactile/blue type switch louder?
muy buen video , estaría bien uno sobre switches de mouse silenciosos ... se usan bastante los kaihl silenciosos ^^
Are these still the best feeling silent switches on the market? I see they are sold out right now and I'm considering whether I should wait for them to be restocked or try something else.
I'd say WS silents are very similar! Same tech and manufacturer! For me thought the heartbeats at least feel the slightest bit more smooth.
Love to see true innovation c:
Well , there is another ( 2 ) switch to test then, these ones, in a quest to find a switch that has a tactile feedback of a Holy ( Glorious) Panda, but as silent as a Cherry MX silent red
Between whisper and heartbeat which feels better. I'm a linear girl but feel like for silent I will have to give tactile a chance, though it feels whispers sounds louder than other tactiles in the silent category.
I definitely agree that whispers are louder than other traditional tactile silents! I personally really love the heartbeat linears, so that'd have to be my rec if I had to pick one :)
@@MakerMods I will wait until some other vendors have it closer by to try them out. Also, do you mind sharing the tool used for adding the holes on the bottom of the switches, thanks :3
How are they for consistency across a batch of switches. Some skeptics suggest the engineering tolerance might not be accurate enough to provide consistency, but I find tolerances in other aspects of switches to be pretty good, so don't see why this would be an issue.
I felt like my batch of 90 was very consistent across the board, for both the heartbeats and the whispers! I also stress tested to 500k actuations and they didn’t have any noticeable degradation.
Hi. Can you please compare these with Epomaker Silent Icerberg / Skyloong Silent Glacier? They also share the stem design.
I’ll take a look!
@@MakerMods thank you! Looking forward to it
Will these play nice with cherry keycaps if northfacing? (I don't have a south-facing board rn)
Nice switches, didn't knew them. Can you make a dedicated video with some switches with and without these holes comparing sound level? Maybe with ink Black, milky yellow pro, North pole, boba u4t.. 😅😅
How about lubing these switches and these holes? Is there a risk of leaking lube to pcb?
HAHA! I might be down to give it a try once I can get through my review queue… but to be honest, taking the cap yellows as an example I don’t think the reduction in sound is worth destroying the switches if you’re really looking for pure silence :P
Edit: and as for lube leaking, it shouldn’t be an issue if you aren’t gooping it in there. A light even coat is all you need, and in any event getting lube on your pcb isn’t going to really harm it. On our topre boards, we smear 205g0 on the PCB before installing the domes! :D
@@MakerMods Thanks for replying! The curiosity is about how much a hole can decrease bottom stroke volume of well known switches. Maybe with 1 switch each model, not a full keyboard. I'll get Haimu linears but to use only in office. Really like the silence of Haimu without the mushy of other silent switches.
Have you tried Kailh KT Apricot/Grey? I got 10pcs samples for both and they are also silent and not mushy.
Greys are linear, Apricots are tactile. Apricots feel much better than my mushy BOX Silent Browns
I haven’t but let me see if I can get my hands on some!
Why is the microphone gain so much higher in the tactile sound test?
whoa it's Stephen the levite
I just changed my audio from epidemic sound to audiio, and I have to say I'm really enjoying the selection!
how did you drill holes under the switches?
I wonder if Outemu Silent Peach is quieter
Do you think the top housing is changeable with anything else? I can sort of see the switches in this board and would love to theme them green. any ideas on which ones would work?
I can try doing some top housing swaps, but I think there are a few epomaker silents that are also haimu manufactured with the same tech that might fit your color scheme better!
are the haimu heart beat switches same with skyloong glacier cucl2 silent linear switch with cheaper price? when i saw the stem looks the same
Great review! Could you do a comparison between the heartbeats and the new kinetic labs geckos?
Yeah I’ve actually been curious about the geckos since I read theremingoats review, let me see if I can order some :) might not be a full review based on how I feel about them but I’ll definitely let you know!
Hey! Any updates regarding the geckos
How does this compare to the Wuque Silent Tactile? They seems to come from the same Haimu manufacturer
I'll have a comparison/full review hopefully by next week!
Those tactiles are LOUD compared to linears, a stark contrast.
Are they fully compatible with keychron k10 pro?
the whisper ones do not seem quite as silent as I would like
I really press the like button when you asked for it.
Anyway, great content!
Hehe, thanks so much!!
Hello. Could you please recommend a finished keyboard with quiet switches and 75% form factor?
So sorry for the late reply!!! If you are still looking for an in-stock board, I'd say the keychron q1 is a great option, and it's hot swap so you can put your choice of switches (it's kind of like legos where you just plug them in!) I'm not too aware of prebuilt keyboards that offer silent switches as an option, but akko might offer one with their silent switches as well. If you ping me on discord (MakerMods#8008) then we could figure out a build for your budget!
are these switches hot swappable?
How would these fit in a keychron Q1?
Have you tried the U4tx, if you have, could you make a review?
I'll take a look! Thanks for the rec!!
I know this is a bit late, but where did you get that keyboard display rack on your wall?
It’s just Home Depot plastic peg boards!
@@MakerMods Thanks so much. And double thanks on the Haimu video. I bought the Haimu Heartbeats a couple weeks ago. And it is just simply SUBLIME.
I look forward to seeing your tests on other switches that you drill. Can I ask what drill bit size you're using? I'm about to have a bunch of leftover parts (from making creampacas), and would probably just try it on a few for fun
The stem on some switch have 2 half square around the X section. Is this make a bad compatibility with cherry keycap ?
No, you're good to go on cherry profile keycaps!
Your audio is not synced to your video :(
The only silent switches I use are Boba U4's. Would you put those in the same bucket as the other tactile silents tested here in terms of feel?
I’ve never tried the u4’s specifically but if they perform similarly to the bobagums I’d say the haimus are far superior!
@@MakerMods I was skeptical but ordered some, and you’re right! They feel better to type on than Boba U4s, while still being quiet enough for an office setting. This’ll be the new switch I use all day long, so many thanks for the tip!
Back in stock at Canon Keys!
Are skyloong glacier switches a copy of these? Seen them on Amazon for close to the same price
Let me check them out!
Funnily enough, the heartbeats and whispers are more copies of the glacier silents than the other way around because the glacier silents came out first. but thats like saying every jwk linear is an "alpaca copy". its just a type of switch haimu makes, one really isn't a "copy" of the other in my opinion...
For anyone that got these, do you think they need, or would benefit from lubing? I just got my bag and they feel pretty darn smooth but I'm not sure if that would make them even quieter?
I lubed mine up and they didn’t really get quieter or smoother :P I’d say probably not worth it because they are factory lubed!
Thanks very much! I love these!