Mk2Mike so how you liking the SM comped to the sport bike ? I'm a dirt bike guy gonna get a sport bike for the 1st time prob gonna be awkward for me lol I have only ever rode supermoto's on the street prob going to get a FZ-07 or GSX-S not sure yet
Mk2Mike you might know exactly what I'm saying here, so I'll ask you It's a hard transition from sport bike riding. With that said, I'm just learning now and I still really want to keep my feet pushed down on my pegs, all my weight on the inside, lowside of the bike- as you likely already know, this transfers right to the tires making them way more stable. Does this principal simply not apply on supermoto riding? 2. Are there any guys who ride like this? I just don't want to lowside my bike. I've never been too crazy about counter steering because it puts you on the high side of the bike. The increasing weight from the g force of the corner is then naturally thrown to the outside of the bike, instead of the inside right to the tires. Different animals I'm thinking, but I still wanna know, thanks
I'm planning a trip this winter as well! I wish there were more schools/cart tracks in the midwest, but a nice little vacation is much needed for me and long overdue. I can't freaking wait to catch some air!
Thanks! I wished I had a cool intro or better production capabilities. I'm too busy with a fulltime job, my own business, kid and getting a masters to invest the kind of time that would be necessary to push my channel over the edge.
I am a 59 year old former AMA road racer. You get IT while teaching the stuff most riders will never understand. I just bought a Husky FS 450 to enjoy again. I would love to take your class.
Thank you so much for this video! I'm riding some Supermoto for the first time next week and just these pointers alone really clicked for me coming from an enduro background. Form is everything. THANKS AGAIN!!
+bobby wasabi because a supermoto bike will out supersport the supersport bike. they handle better, flick faster, and brake harder. these are not "dirt bikes", they are the right tool for the job. a supersport bike will accelerate faster. so on big tracks sportbikes have the advantage, small tracks and tight canyons supermoto has the advantage. that said a friend set the 650 class record on a 450 supermoto. Picture a veyron vs a wrx in a parking lot and you'll get the idea. It's just a dual sport with the empasis on asphalt rather than dirt, and in reality a dual sport set up for street is often a better street bike than a streetbike. ignore how they look. this isn't fashion like drifting, these are the most effective tools for going around tighter tracks very fast.
"Picture a veyron vs a wrx in a parking lot and you'll get the idea", quality, im definitely not going to steal that phrase or repeat it like i made it up first.....
Thanks for the videos! I have really enjoyed them. I'm downsizing from a v-twin SV1000S to a DR-Z SM. I'm really enjoying it! I'm 60 and have been sport biking for 42 years! I raced a bit back in the 80's. The hardest part is just learning the taller bike and different weight distribution. Most of what you talked about is coming naturally. The seating position will help for sure. Putting my foot out will never happen...just not comfortable for me. If I lived in So Cal, I would come visit, take a class, and blast around your track a few times! Keep up the great vids! Thanks!
Great info! I took the class last year and it was ABSOLUTELY the best $200 I've ever spent! I may have made all the noob SM mistakes, but it was a BLAST! I highly recommend any rider to take one of their 400SM around the track for the day...
Supermotos in the racing sense are generally larger bore 4 strokes that have engine braking. Not saying a two stroke can't be Roden on the street as a supermoto but racing class's are generally 450cc and up 4 strokes.
As a fan of your channel, I am curious how much supermoto riding you did and how it contributed to your skill today. I know the DRZ is heavy and underpowered compared to those in its class, but did you still take it to the track?
I had the pleasure of attending socal supermoto... It's the most fun I can remember ever having everyone was great from the instructors to the other students. 6 out of 5 stars
Brian's class at Socal Supermoto is a must for all riders looking to improve technique.....oh yeah and especially if ya want to treat yourself and buddies to a super fun day.
Wow thank you for the riding position tip. Came off a sport bike, had no idea. It feels good to lean to the inside for me but will switch riding positions :)
Great stuff! Def needed to know how to properly sit while cornering coming from a roadrace background and entering SM for fun. Too bad you guys are on the other coast
Sorry for asking this question 3 years late, but whats the advantage or why do supermoto riding choose to sit on the tank when cornering? Is it something like supermoto style tracks needs to push the front tires down for more traction for small tight corners? or is it because of the bikes geometry ect ect...I could find a lot of hows but not a lot of clear why answers
I can speak 5 languages on a decent level but not perfect, 4 of which i use on a daily basis. I really hate making mistakes, so i always double check when writing something. This one got away. I can't apologize enough for this. I know you got better things to do than correct people online, but you did and that's invaluable. I'm truly blessed.
+Artie Ziff it was merely to point out that i make mistakes while using other languages. It was never my intention to hurt anyone's feelings, but hey here we are. I see you're impressed with someone speaking 5 languages. It's not that special and it doesn't require "big brains". Which doesn't mean i'm not awesome. This comment was not aimed at hurting anyone and contains no irony or sarcasm.
Thanks for the vid fellas, really useful tips! Would absolutely love to see that video on body positioning soon! Look forward to coming to the school next year when I'm in the States. Cheers
Lots of good info, but I have to argue that tip #1 is somewhat subjective. Probably 95/100 SM riders & even more of the fastest racers ride leg out, but there are fast guys on super tight tracks that rail with a knee down (like Josh Herrin & Aaron Yates on Josh's track designed for XR100's). At the end of the day you're fastest & safest doing what feels best to you.
+Sam #1 isn't about the age old leg out vs knee out debate. We do an entire session on when/why/where foot out vs knee down which is dictated by the track and preference. We teach foot out simply because most riders will be faster foot out. BUT #1 isn't about that. #1 is about mixing the two styles. Riding foot out, but with your butt, shoulders and leg in the wrong postion. ie riding foot out, but mixed up bs with shoulder hunched and ass too far back. I don't correct proper kneedown riding.
Great video Brian! Short, succinct and to the point. I've heard so many great things about SoCal Supermoto School I'm definitely going to attend this year. Still specking out my Sumo so I want to be a decent and confident rider once it's ready to go. BTW, that song in the background is kick ass too! :)
Wow I’ve been practicing turning on my supermoto very wrong. Coming from a ninja250..something about pushing the bike down and being on the opposite end has felt uncomfortable… prob cause I’ve been doing it wrong, but super helpful, thanks!
thanks for the great tips! can't wait to get out and put these to use. Got a question: what would you suggest to a 2 stroke supermoto rider which doesn't have engine braking to his advantage. (kx500)Thanks!
If you get to the heart of Supermoto, it is supposed to be 1/2 track + 1/2 dirt. Some Supermoto tracks here are ignoring the dirt factor. Some get confused. Watch the French race Supermoto and you'll completely understand. Get on one and you'll understand evenmore. =D
Nice riding tips. I have a tip for your Editor - normalize the volume of the audio so it is consistent throughout the entirety of the video. At the beginning and end of the video the audio is much louder.
So just ride it like a dirt bike 😂. Thats all i been doing. Been riding dirt since 1986. Never payment. Got a drz400sm to go on lil rides through the hills and dirt roads. Hit up some fishing spots 🎣. Here i was sitting on the gas tank with my leg down around corners, thinking i was a idiot. Then, trying to lean over like a street bike. I'm glad to know, just ride it like a dirt bike 🤘🏻🤠
On faster type turns like the one of the big tracks and I got knee out instead of footout can I push my butt to the rear of the bike like on a sport bike or do I always have to be at the front of the bike even when leaning my body to the inside?
Nice video and some great tips! Do you have some tips for 2 stroke riders? I'm not that into engine braking, because I don't really want to hurt my engine, if you know what I mean...
@@socalsupermoto thanks ☺️ So to be clear: if I am riding street/twisties and my gixxer buddy is leaning like Rossi, I'm riding supermoto gonna turn like you showed in this video, body more upright, etc? I'm new to SM so wanna practice the right method from day 1. I'm certain people will say "why you don't lean inside?", my answer is "because this supermoto 😁".
I have a crf250l and a WR450f. The crf wins for comfort, on and off road, very low maintenance requirement and just feels way more at home on the road. However it really lacks power once you get up some speed. Super fun in tight stuff like traffic or really tight twisties. The WR has was more power, lighter and handles off road way better with the adjustable suspension. However it feels awkward on road being so tall and twitchy in the throttle with so much low end torque and no weight. Everyone of my bike friends accidentally wheelied it first go every time and some of them ride supersports with many many more ponnies. It also has poor fuel range, and needs an oil change quite often, valve checks etc. So I pick the WR for some more extreme fun or stunting and the CRF for everyday riding, cruising around or longer trips. The WR is great fun but gets uncomfortable quick and wears me out. The CRF is just so much more easy and relaxing to ride. To answer your question if you want an everyday little city bike, commuter or just like cruising around it's great. It can do wheelies and stuff but it struggles. If you want to be doing wheelies all the time or racing then no the CRF is probably not the best.
Hi Brian, hard transition from sport bike riding. With that said, I'm just learning now and I still really want to keep my feet pushed down on my pegs, all my weight on the inside, lowside of the bike- as you likely already know, this transfers right to the tires making them way more stable. Does this principal simply not apply on supermoto riding? 2. Are there any guys who ride like this? I just don't want to lowside my bike. I've never been too crazy about counter steering because it puts you on the high side of the bike. Different animals I'm thinking, but I still wanna know, thanks
I come from a sportbike background and I do ride my supermoto like a sportbike but all I do is carving corners, I am not racing supermoto dose it make that much difference . I also tend to ride my back break going throw the corners without thinking about it as I throttle throw the corners am I totally screwing up
+bullet ben the 690 ktm supermoto for sure. the duke may put you more into a sportbike riding position. There's no hard rule, experiment with both and do what feels more comfortable. The main thing is to not mix the styles such as foot out, ass on the back of the seat, to the inside of the seat with your shoulders hunched. or crossed up knee down. Just make sure you do proper sb bp or up on the tank supermoto position.
I ride a third gen 690 Duke and say these tips would definitely apply to the bike. I think the third gens are supermotos. The fourth gen Dukes are more of a sportbike/naked bike
I came off on Sunday. I got an aprillia rx 125... Now I'm not confident on corners any tips guys? I keep going into bends and trying to fight the corner... trying to stay upright
Yep two big tips here. 1) Actively and consciously countersteer. If you are not familiar with countersteering there is your trouble. 2) actively and consciously BREATHE. Most accidents happen from fatigue or anxiety and breathing helps both. Without knowing anything about what you are doing I'd say those are the two most likely culprits.
Thats not fully true. With the customized Mx bikes like exc supermotos you have the "problems" with oil and service overall. Supermotos like the Smcr 690 are just like normal bike engines
So getting your butt to the opposite side on a turn, means pushing the bike away from you and the bike would be leaning over further than it would on a knee down right? Is this mainly for slow tight corners?
+Boris theBlade On a sport/motoGP bike yes, but he's mainly referring to supermoto/dirtbike/flat track techniques. Two totally different animals. Hope this helps
We have an entire lesson on foot out vs knee down, but the short of it is the track dictates whether you ride foot out or knee down. Maybe we'll do a video on that one day!
+Boris theBlade we're still trying to catch up on vids that we shot a few years ago. but it's a good topic. I'll put it on the list. the short version is: if you want to race and be competitive go foot out. Yes there are some fast kneedown guys but that argument has been pretty well settled. If being competitive and racing isn't a huge priority simply do what feels comroftable to you and don't sweat it.
Yes and no. On a sportbike you rev match to bring up your engine speed to match your travel speed. On a supermoto you can simply brake harder to achieve the same, by bringing the travel speed down. So no need to rev match because our brakes work too well!
+SUMOCAT just put the bike down and try to get the pressure on the outer footpegs ,so your weight pushes more from above on the tire, and doesnt work sideways against the tire like the bikes weight is already doing it !
Probably better off with body position similar to sportbike riders since those bikes are way heavier and pushing them down may cause a lowside. You want to keep them as upright as possible while leaning your body into the turn.
Hey I want to get a new bike Supermoto I had a KTM EXC 500 SM conv I just tried out a Husqvarna 701 and it doesn't have the same feel I like ? what bike you think are good SM ? May just get a 2017 KTM EXC 500 just they cost big money after you change them over.
Well you said it "feel I like". I can't tell you. I can tell you my personal faves are yz450sm on the track, drz400sm all arounders, and good ol tractor dr650sm is my favorite on the street.
socalsupermoto don't get we wrong I liked it just felt more like a street bike FZ07 or something im a dirt bike guy so i'm used to the dirtbike feel I think I going to check out a DRZ 400 and get a 470 big bore on that bitch there's a guy out here that says he can street legal any dirtbike if it's true I'm gonna go 2017 Honda CRF 450 get that E-start and dual Yoshimura exhaust going ! 🤙
two tips. just go knee up slightly, foot forward slightly. that's it! no drama. the other tip is simply kick the apex since most new riders leave their foot out too long
I'm so freaking confuse, i'm coming from 10 years of riding sport bikes, alst one was a 1000cc Ninja, i got a drz400sm as my only bike, and i'm having a blast of fun! But the idea of moving my butt cheek to the opposite side of the lean feels so wrong, would that counterbalace the bike and make so that it has to lean more tor the same turning radious at the same speed, than if i go with the bike or lean my body further in to the corner? For what i know you want a bike to lean the little is possible, because suspensions works better when straight up, and you don't get the risk of running out of tieres. Also, this way of leaning should also be applicated for street riding? Loving the supermoto, but still very confused about a lot of stuff :P like the rear bake pedal that seems almost futile since is so way up the foot pegs and i'll have to take my foot off the fotpeg to reach it :P
We answer that in detail in the school. The short version is you give up mid corner suspension/traction, and gain on braking, turn it, exciting the turn and setting up for the next turn. There is nothing wrong with foot out or knee down, just advantages and disadvantages of both.
1:48 i don't think that is a mistake, that's just a style of riding and you can cleary do it on a supermoto we've seen top riders do it. i have a 300 2 stroke and i ride in a sports bike body position and tecniques.
nothing wrong with foot out or knee down, but the leg dangle mid corner will end up breaking your ankle eventually. Nobody rides like that, but it is a common newbie mistake.
I feel very uncomfortable when i lean in on my DRZ. It's a way better feeling if i put the foot out. On my cbr 125 (yeah, not a real sport bike) that i rode 2 years i always leaned in. So i think it has a lot to do with the seatposition.
I feel safer knee out, foot out is a bit difficult to me as I have long legs and my drz 400 is not that tall. On track I ride fast and simple corners knee out, it's faster and just feels right. You can't cheat physics, your bike will be more upright when center of mass is lower... so in the end you can ride faster. However tight turns with hard breaking I ride with foot out with backing it in if lucky :)
The internet supermoto police will tell you only foot out. The real answer is there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and whatever you feel most comfortable with will be safer and faster for you. That said, most riders are faster foot out.
It's all about corner SPEED - SM bikes run on TIGHTER shorter tracks. It's just a quicker way to transition, I think, lol. Just getting started (coming from sport bikes all my life) and this is really weird!
Thats a lot to cover but knee down will get you better suspension/speed mid turn. foot out controls slides better, faster transitions, faster on the brakes for most, and turns a tighter radius. Best advice I ever got is "it's all about getting the corner over with fast, not cornering fast"
I have a lot of trouble trusting my front tire. I ride a 2 stroke supermoto so engine braking isn't something I can rely on. I'm too afraid to lean the bike over and using the front brake is anxiety inducing. Anything to help me overcome this?
Most riders are faster foot out. That said you're likely never going to get a paycheck from this so do what's most enjoyable for you. At our school we teach foot out and have a whole coaching session on advantages of foot vs knee. they're are some obscenely fast knee down riders
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The body position tip alone helped me tons. Coming from a sport bike I was so confused, nothing felt right.
Stoked to hear it! We hope to have more vids soon
Mk2Mike so how you liking the SM comped to the sport bike ? I'm a dirt bike guy gonna get a sport bike for the 1st time prob gonna be awkward for me lol I have only ever rode supermoto's on the street prob going to get a FZ-07 or GSX-S not sure yet
Brake more lean more try not to put your foot out, you'll do well on a sports bike, just less engine braking more hard on the front brakes.
Mk2Mike you might know exactly what I'm saying here, so I'll ask you
It's a hard transition from sport bike riding. With that said, I'm just learning now and I still really want to keep my feet pushed down on my pegs, all my weight on the inside, lowside of the bike- as you likely already know, this transfers right to the tires making them way more stable. Does this principal simply not apply on supermoto riding?
2. Are there any guys who ride like this? I just don't want to lowside my bike. I've never been too crazy about counter steering because it puts you on the high side of the bike. The increasing weight from the g force of the corner is then naturally thrown to the outside of the bike, instead of the inside right to the tires.
Different animals I'm thinking, but I still wanna know, thanks
coming from a sport bike the leaning feels awkward, this vid is super helpful thanks!
This video is absolutely timeless. No matter it's old, all still holds true. Planning a trip to SoCal this winter to get schooled by the master!
Thanks Tom, look forward to riding with you!!!
I'm planning a trip this winter as well! I wish there were more schools/cart tracks in the midwest, but a nice little vacation is much needed for me and long overdue. I can't freaking wait to catch some air!
wow an excellent how to vid that wasn't douchey at all!!! good job guys!
Ha, I turned off the douchey just long enough to make the vid! Seriously though we don't do that "we're the experts listen to us" crap.
@@socalsupermoto LOL
Great teacher. I learned a lot at SCSM.
Glen Irani Thanks Glen, hope to see you back out one of these days.
oops that was my wife's account. Thanks!
:D
Why do all the crazy supermoto centric channels have 11ty bazillion subscribers but you guys only have 575? This stuff is gold, blaaw!
Ha! Well I'll post up a vid of doing. Some wheelies through downtown and boost up those numbers.
NOOOOOOOOO...Wit, what am I saying, yes. Do that... and then teach me something about real riding, lol.
+SuperDuperMoto you deserve wayyy more subs too!
Thanks! I wished I had a cool intro or better production capabilities. I'm too busy with a fulltime job, my own business, kid and getting a masters to invest the kind of time that would be necessary to push my channel over the edge.
Everyone has to start somewhere
I am a 59 year old former AMA road racer. You get IT while teaching the stuff most riders will never understand. I just bought a Husky FS 450 to enjoy again. I would love to take your class.
We'd love to have you out Jerry! We learn a bunch from our students as well!
Thank you so much for this video!
I'm riding some Supermoto for the first time next week and just these pointers alone really clicked for me coming from an enduro background. Form is everything.
THANKS AGAIN!!
+John Brisbane Glad it helped! If you're able to come out for a school day!
+bobby wasabi because a supermoto bike will out supersport the supersport bike. they handle better, flick faster, and brake harder. these are not "dirt bikes", they are the right tool for the job. a supersport bike will accelerate faster. so on big tracks sportbikes have the advantage, small tracks and tight canyons supermoto has the advantage. that said a friend set the 650 class record on a 450 supermoto. Picture a veyron vs a wrx in a parking lot and you'll get the idea.
It's just a dual sport with the empasis on asphalt rather than dirt, and in reality a dual sport set up for street is often a better street bike than a streetbike. ignore how they look. this isn't fashion like drifting, these are the most effective tools for going around tighter tracks very fast.
You pretty much covered everything there lol
"Picture a veyron vs a wrx in a parking lot and you'll get the idea", quality, im definitely not going to steal that phrase or repeat it like i made it up first.....
Thanks for the videos! I have really enjoyed them. I'm downsizing from a v-twin SV1000S to a DR-Z SM. I'm really enjoying it! I'm 60 and have been sport biking for 42 years! I raced a bit back in the 80's. The hardest part is just learning the taller bike and different weight distribution. Most of what you talked about is coming naturally. The seating position will help for sure. Putting my foot out will never happen...just not comfortable for me. If I lived in So Cal, I would come visit, take a class, and blast around your track a few times!
Keep up the great vids! Thanks!
Thanks buddy! We'll have a new batch of freshies coming soon!
Great info! I took the class last year and it was ABSOLUTELY the best $200 I've ever spent! I may have made all the noob SM mistakes, but it was a BLAST! I highly recommend any rider to take one of their 400SM around the track for the day...
This vid's gonna help a lot a huge number of riders out there.
Thanks for uploading it!
I hope so. Thanks for watching!
Engine breaking? My CR500AF doesn't understand that word.
Lol my stock xr650r will stop itself with the engine brake.
Samuel Jackson my exc 125 will blow up if I engine brake xD
Supermotos in the racing sense are generally larger bore 4 strokes that have engine braking. Not saying a two stroke can't be Roden on the street as a supermoto but racing class's are generally 450cc and up 4 strokes.
Just got my first supermoto! And this is a super helpful tutorial :D
glad to hear it!
This what I need. Been looking for something like this for a while.
Having trouble transitioning from racing a ZX10r to tracking a CRF450R. Its still fun to drag knee on the Sumo.
No worries there. Most riders are faster foot out but nothing wrong with knee down. Ask the haydens.
MIL-SPEC Racing true. I only like riding Supermoto foot out and knee down :)
Nice to see a “5 common ...” video that’s not a lot of bs click bate. Excellent pointers!!
Yeah most supermoto vids drive me nuts. We make our living from the school, not youtube so we'll try and keep it useful and clickbait free!
Awesome advice. Looking forward to getting the most out of my DR-Z400SM. I only wish we had a local go-kart track available.
I have a go kart/ supermoto track about 40 minutes away from me and you can do both in the same track.
As a fan of your channel, I am curious how much supermoto riding you did and how it contributed to your skill today. I know the DRZ is heavy and underpowered compared to those in its class, but did you still take it to the track?
I don't have a supermoto ,but this video made me want to get one more than all the hooligan wheelie videos combined. I suppose job well done haha.
I had the pleasure of attending socal supermoto... It's the most fun I can remember ever having everyone was great from the instructors to the other students. 6 out of 5 stars
Officially best review evar!!!
I think I do it subconsciously, but the advice about abrupt brake release is golden... I'll pay more attention to that next time I'm out on road :-)
Ty very much man , just gettin started ... keep takin it to the edge so we'll always know where it's at !
Huge thank you!! The body position tips were a huge help!!
Brian's class at Socal Supermoto is a must for all riders looking to improve technique.....oh yeah and especially if ya want to treat yourself and buddies to a super fun day.
5thnpinned Thanks buddy!
Wow thank you for the riding position tip. Came off a sport bike, had no idea. It feels good to lean to the inside for me but will switch riding positions :)
Great stuff! Def needed to know how to properly sit while cornering coming from a roadrace background and entering SM for fun. Too bad you guys are on the other coast
Awesome video! I would have only thought of the leaning position and leg position. thanks for the great tips, cant wait to try em out.
Good advice. Thanks for the vid. Rode dirt for years and am coverting a XR650l right now.
Sorry for asking this question 3 years late, but whats the advantage or why do supermoto riding choose to sit on the tank when cornering? Is it something like supermoto style tracks needs to push the front tires down for more traction for small tight corners? or is it because of the bikes geometry ect ect...I could find a lot of hows but not a lot of clear why answers
James Kuei I'm late but for anyone else... it's to prevent the front tire from washing out of and dropping the bike
Good advice for street riders too
Thank you
for sure!
cool tips, been looking at supermotos for a while. Gonna get me one of these someday. These tips are perfect for me, since i'm driving a Ducati 1098.
I can speak 5 languages on a decent level but not perfect, 4 of which i use on a daily basis. I really hate making mistakes, so i always double check when writing something. This one got away. I can't apologize enough for this. I know you got better things to do than correct people online, but you did and that's invaluable. I'm truly blessed.
Oh look at you with your big brain and "5 languages". Who cares?
+Artie Ziff it was merely to point out that i make mistakes while using other languages. It was never my intention to hurt anyone's feelings, but hey here we are. I see you're impressed with someone speaking 5 languages. It's not that special and it doesn't require "big brains". Which doesn't mean i'm not awesome. This comment was not aimed at hurting anyone and contains no irony or sarcasm.
Brian kicks ass. Sign up for his Supermoto class if you can.
Aw thanks man!
I pull a 30 minute hamstring on my left leg in a 215km touring when turning a really sharp left turn lol. Thanks for the info!
I live in Florida, but if I ever get the chance to travel to Cali, i will definitely sign up!
Come on out! Fall is amazing out here
Thanks for the vid fellas, really useful tips! Would absolutely love to see that video on body positioning soon! Look forward to coming to the school next year when I'm in the States. Cheers
Lots of good info, but I have to argue that tip #1 is somewhat subjective. Probably 95/100 SM riders & even more of the fastest racers ride leg out, but there are fast guys on super tight tracks that rail with a knee down (like Josh Herrin & Aaron Yates on Josh's track designed for XR100's). At the end of the day you're fastest & safest doing what feels best to you.
+Sam #1 isn't about the age old leg out vs knee out debate. We do an entire session on when/why/where foot out vs knee down which is dictated by the track and preference. We teach foot out simply because most riders will be faster foot out. BUT #1 isn't about that. #1 is about mixing the two styles. Riding foot out, but with your butt, shoulders and leg in the wrong postion. ie riding foot out, but mixed up bs with shoulder hunched and ass too far back. I don't correct proper kneedown riding.
dammit my wife was signed in again. that's me, aka brian the guy in the vid.
Great video Brian! Short, succinct and to the point. I've heard so many great things about SoCal Supermoto School I'm definitely going to attend this year. Still specking out my Sumo so I want to be a decent and confident rider once it's ready to go.
BTW, that song in the background is kick ass too! :)
Jc c9 awesome. Look forward to having you. Bikes are gassed and ready whenever you are!
Wow I’ve been practicing turning on my supermoto very wrong. Coming from a ninja250..something about pushing the bike down and being on the opposite end has felt uncomfortable… prob cause I’ve been doing it wrong, but super helpful, thanks!
Right on!
Great Tips. I am sure this will help me. Just made the hard Switch from Superbike to Supermoto. Mistake 1 (buttcheek) I keep on mind..
Great video for SuMo newbies! Thanks Glen!
Great pointers, thank you.
Sound advice and great for all skill levels.
Thanks!
thanks for the great tips! can't wait to get out and put these to use. Got a question: what would you suggest to a 2 stroke supermoto rider which doesn't have engine braking to his advantage. (kx500)Thanks!
Depending What the problem is
If you get to the heart of Supermoto, it is supposed to be 1/2 track + 1/2 dirt. Some Supermoto tracks here are ignoring the dirt factor. Some get confused. Watch the French race Supermoto and you'll completely understand. Get on one and you'll understand evenmore. =D
nonsense
except for the french part
This video helped me a lot!! thanks for uploading.
Nice riding tips.
I have a tip for your Editor - normalize the volume of the audio so it is consistent throughout the entirety of the video. At the beginning and end of the video the audio is much louder.
really good thank you i would like to see much more of these videos from you :)!
So just ride it like a dirt bike 😂. Thats all i been doing. Been riding dirt since 1986. Never payment. Got a drz400sm to go on lil rides through the hills and dirt roads. Hit up some fishing spots 🎣. Here i was sitting on the gas tank with my leg down around corners, thinking i was a idiot. Then, trying to lean over like a street bike. I'm glad to know, just ride it like a dirt bike 🤘🏻🤠
Ride it like a dirt bike but with a bit more front brake, that's pretty much it.
On faster type turns like the one of the big tracks and I got knee out instead of footout can I push my butt to the rear of the bike like on a sport bike or do I always have to be at the front of the bike even when leaning my body to the inside?
usually on a fast sweeper you can be mid seat but almost never on the back
Mind blown. Awesome. Thank you!!
Nice video and some great tips!
Do you have some tips for 2 stroke riders? I'm not that into engine braking, because I don't really want to hurt my engine, if you know what I mean...
Im no smoker expert but I don't change much, simply use a touch more back brake to compensate for no engine braking
what engine braking
Question: does this advice apply to SM bikes on all tracks and roads, or SM tracks only?
pretty much all roads, you see the same mistakes
@@socalsupermoto thanks ☺️
So to be clear: if I am riding street/twisties and my gixxer buddy is leaning like Rossi, I'm riding supermoto gonna turn like you showed in this video, body more upright, etc? I'm new to SM so wanna practice the right method from day 1. I'm certain people will say "why you don't lean inside?", my answer is "because this supermoto 😁".
Is a crf250l worthy to run as a supermoto at all,
I have a crf250l and a WR450f. The crf wins for comfort, on and off road, very low maintenance requirement and just feels way more at home on the road. However it really lacks power once you get up some speed. Super fun in tight stuff like traffic or really tight twisties. The WR has was more power, lighter and handles off road way better with the adjustable suspension. However it feels awkward on road being so tall and twitchy in the throttle with so much low end torque and no weight. Everyone of my bike friends accidentally wheelied it first go every time and some of them ride supersports with many many more ponnies. It also has poor fuel range, and needs an oil change quite often, valve checks etc. So I pick the WR for some more extreme fun or stunting and the CRF for everyday riding, cruising around or longer trips. The WR is great fun but gets uncomfortable quick and wears me out. The CRF is just so much more easy and relaxing to ride.
To answer your question if you want an everyday little city bike, commuter or just like cruising around it's great. It can do wheelies and stuff but it struggles. If you want to be doing wheelies all the time or racing then no the CRF is probably not the best.
Awesome Video bro! Seriously I'm from Germany and you explained it really well! You know about your shit.
Thumps up!
not really related to the video but would you recommend start supermoto on 125 2 stroke converted dirt bike?
Hi Brian, hard transition from sport bike riding. With that said, I'm just learning now and I still really want to keep my feet pushed down on my pegs, all my weight on the inside, lowside of the bike- as you likely already know, this transfers right to the tires making them way more stable. Does this principal simply not apply on supermoto riding?
2. Are there any guys who ride like this? I just don't want to lowside my bike. I've never been too crazy about counter steering because it puts you on the high side of the bike.
Different animals I'm thinking, but I still wanna know, thanks
I come from a sportbike background and I do ride my supermoto like a sportbike but all I do is carving corners, I am not racing supermoto dose it make that much difference . I also tend to ride my back break going throw the corners without thinking about it as I throttle throw the corners am I totally screwing up
When turning do u push the bar in the opposite direction to turn like a sport bike or do u turn the bar in the direction of the turn?
get a licesne
cool video man. would you apply this to a ktm duke upto 690 say???or do you ride those like supersports????
+bullet ben the 690 ktm supermoto for sure. the duke may put you more into a sportbike riding position. There's no hard rule, experiment with both and do what feels more comfortable. The main thing is to not mix the styles such as foot out, ass on the back of the seat, to the inside of the seat with your shoulders hunched. or crossed up knee down. Just make sure you do proper sb bp or up on the tank supermoto position.
I ride a third gen 690 Duke and say these tips would definitely apply to the bike. I think the third gens are supermotos. The fourth gen Dukes are more of a sportbike/naked bike
Andre malherbe!!! Those where the days.. god bless you andre!!!
Is this at Adams ? lol I live right by! I always drive past it and it makes me wanna sumo my bike, (ktm) haha
I came off on Sunday. I got an aprillia rx 125...
Now I'm not confident on corners any tips guys? I keep going into bends and trying to fight the corner... trying to stay upright
Yep two big tips here. 1) Actively and consciously countersteer. If you are not familiar with countersteering there is your trouble. 2) actively and consciously BREATHE. Most accidents happen from fatigue or anxiety and breathing helps both. Without knowing anything about what you are doing I'd say those are the two most likely culprits.
@socalsupermoto that's what I was doing when jt happened lol some ass hole lorry driver leaked lubricant on a bend and I went flying
In all supermoto you have to change the oil by hours of operation? How durable they are compared to a classic or adventure bike?
Thats not fully true. With the customized Mx bikes like exc supermotos you have the "problems" with oil and service overall. Supermotos like the Smcr 690 are just like normal bike engines
So getting your butt to the opposite side on a turn, means pushing the bike away from you and the bike would be leaning over further than it would on a knee down right? Is this mainly for slow tight corners?
+Boris theBlade On a sport/motoGP bike yes, but he's mainly referring to supermoto/dirtbike/flat track techniques. Two totally different animals. Hope this helps
We have an entire lesson on foot out vs knee down, but the short of it is the track dictates whether you ride foot out or knee down. Maybe we'll do a video on that one day!
+Socal Supermoto please do make a video on this!
Socal Supermoto
Would also love a video. A trip from UK to socal will be a bit too expensive for that lesson lol
+Boris theBlade we're still trying to catch up on vids that we shot a few years ago. but it's a good topic. I'll put it on the list. the short version is: if you want to race and be competitive go foot out. Yes there are some fast kneedown guys but that argument has been pretty well settled. If being competitive and racing isn't a huge priority simply do what feels comroftable to you and don't sweat it.
In a car, I like to brake hard, turn in and get back on the gas as soon as I turn in and drive the car around the corner. Same thing with a SM?
Very useful info, thanx.
This was excellent. Thanks!!!
Thoughts on Cush drive hub? Ktm 450exc. Will be 98% street ridden.
Awesome video
Thanks!
Are you guys in Sydney Australia?
Nope southern california in riverside!
What about revmatching? do you do this on a supermoto?
Yes and no. On a sportbike you rev match to bring up your engine speed to match your travel speed. On a supermoto you can simply brake harder to achieve the same, by bringing the travel speed down. So no need to rev match because our brakes work too well!
Okay I'm confuzed about one thing still.. do you still lean with the bike or stay more up right and just push the bike down?
+SUMOCAT just put the bike down and try to get the pressure on the outer footpegs ,so your weight pushes more from above on the tire, and doesnt work sideways against the tire like the bikes weight is already doing it !
okay, thanks for your response!
Munchy
Munchy
dude you skipped too many pyshics classes
I bough a tdr 125 2t and im practising on a concrete go kart track... which brake should i use and when?
If you do not know which brake to use you should not be on a track.
+Samuel Kelly ive been practicing since i wrote that comment and i can scrape the track with my pegs now, i think i got it right
Potato Production use 90 percent front
I never use my rearbreak, but i ride only on the street (still many curves ^^). The only place where i use the rear break a lot is the city. :D
Does this apply to the big supermotos like the Hypermotard?
Probably better off with body position similar to sportbike riders since those bikes are way heavier and pushing them down may cause a lowside. You want to keep them as upright as possible while leaning your body into the turn.
what if im too short to ride these drz? my inseam is 29" and im 140lbs. is there a bike thats lowered for people like me?
We've got you covered. We have a lowered Drz and a xt225sm. You're dialed!
great thanks!
What? How did I end up here. I need to retrace my steps.
Got it I’ll be No 1 know > Joking all makes sense thank you excellent tuition...!!!
Hey I want to get a new bike Supermoto I had a KTM EXC 500 SM conv I just tried out a Husqvarna 701 and it doesn't have the same feel I like ? what bike you think are good SM ? May just get a 2017 KTM EXC 500 just they cost big money after you change them over.
Well you said it "feel I like". I can't tell you. I can tell you my personal faves are yz450sm on the track, drz400sm all arounders, and good ol tractor dr650sm is my favorite on the street.
socalsupermoto so Suzuki DRZ 400 SM for street how you feel about the Husqvarna 701 ?
I love the 701, but I love em all so might be the wrong guy to ask :)
socalsupermoto don't get we wrong I liked it just felt more like a street bike FZ07 or something im a dirt bike guy so i'm used to the dirtbike feel I think I going to check out a DRZ 400 and get a 470 big bore on that bitch there's a guy out here that says he can street legal any dirtbike if it's true I'm gonna go 2017 Honda CRF 450 get that E-start and dual Yoshimura exhaust going ! 🤙
So im assuming its still alright to ride a supermoto like a road bike?
Literally doing all of these wrong, gonna look into it the next days
Awesum tips&input !!
Thanks! we'll keep em coming
Nice tips. So to be clear. You never need a knee slider again.
is that Riverside??
That leg dangle is the hardest habit to break for me :(
two tips. just go knee up slightly, foot forward slightly. that's it! no drama. the other tip is simply kick the apex since most new riders leave their foot out too long
no dont do that
It was me!too long with sport bike.kind of hanging on bike during cornering is a habit.hahaha
I'm so freaking confuse, i'm coming from 10 years of riding sport bikes, alst one was a 1000cc Ninja, i got a drz400sm as my only bike, and i'm having a blast of fun!
But the idea of moving my butt cheek to the opposite side of the lean feels so wrong, would that counterbalace the bike and make so that it has to lean more tor the same turning radious at the same speed, than if i go with the bike or lean my body further in to the corner?
For what i know you want a bike to lean the little is possible, because suspensions works better when straight up, and you don't get the risk of running out of tieres.
Also, this way of leaning should also be applicated for street riding?
Loving the supermoto, but still very confused about a lot of stuff :P like the rear bake pedal that seems almost futile since is so way up the foot pegs and i'll have to take my foot off the fotpeg to reach it :P
We answer that in detail in the school. The short version is you give up mid corner suspension/traction, and gain on braking, turn it, exciting the turn and setting up for the next turn. There is nothing wrong with foot out or knee down, just advantages and disadvantages of both.
1:48 i don't think that is a mistake, that's just a style of riding and you can cleary do it on a supermoto we've seen top riders do it. i have a 300 2 stroke and i ride in a sports bike body position and tecniques.
nothing wrong with foot out or knee down, but the leg dangle mid corner will end up breaking your ankle eventually. Nobody rides like that, but it is a common newbie mistake.
@@socalsupermoto ofc that's weird i think i misstimed or something...
looking used ktm supermoto or huski 450
Good info!
? this corner is the same as dirtbike ?
more traction so easier to open corner wider and closer sharper
5:27 You’re welcome
Do you sell stickers?
why driving sm like sport is bad, depends on road but on Asphalt it's faster and more safe ride like sport, because of leaning angle, or it isn't?
jetcarq both have advantages and disadvantages. Most riders are faster foot out
I feel very uncomfortable when i lean in on my DRZ. It's a way better feeling if i put the foot out. On my cbr 125 (yeah, not a real sport bike) that i rode 2 years i always leaned in. So i think it has a lot to do with the seatposition.
I feel safer knee out, foot out is a bit difficult to me as I have long legs and my drz 400 is not that tall.
On track I ride fast and simple corners knee out, it's faster and just feels right. You can't cheat physics, your bike will be more upright when center of mass is lower... so in the end you can ride faster. However tight turns with hard breaking I ride with foot out with backing it in if lucky :)
The internet supermoto police will tell you only foot out. The real answer is there are advantages and disadvantages to both, and whatever you feel most comfortable with will be safer and faster for you. That said, most riders are faster foot out.
good tips bro
Thanks 💫💯
thanks for info 😉
Awesome 👍
So what about mini moto, supermini stuff? It seems like a lot of those guys ride with sportbike tendencies and are pretty fast.
mini moto favors a kneedown style for most people
Just a curiosity, but from a physics point of view, why supermoto counterlean whereas sportbike lean on the inside
It's all about corner SPEED - SM bikes run on TIGHTER shorter tracks. It's just a quicker way to transition, I think, lol. Just getting started (coming from sport bikes all my life) and this is really weird!
Thats a lot to cover but knee down will get you better suspension/speed mid turn. foot out controls slides better, faster transitions, faster on the brakes for most, and turns a tighter radius. Best advice I ever got is "it's all about getting the corner over with fast, not cornering fast"
I have a lot of trouble trusting my front tire. I ride a 2 stroke supermoto so engine braking isn't something I can rely on. I'm too afraid to lean the bike over and using the front brake is anxiety inducing. Anything to help me overcome this?
You're right comrade! I don't know what I was thinking!
My vodka stash ran dry, I wasn't thinking straight.
1:55 yes you do, your gonna slide out if you cant push up with your leg
I've seen sumo riders drag knee and thats more natural to me as well, whats the correct way to do it?
Most riders are faster foot out. That said you're likely never going to get a paycheck from this so do what's most enjoyable for you. At our school we teach foot out and have a whole coaching session on advantages of foot vs knee. they're are some obscenely fast knee down riders
most riders cant ride for shit, stop caring what the majority does