Excellent book to read. Jutland to junkyard. Covers the salvage of a large number of the German fleet scuttled at scapa flow after the end of WW 1. A number of ships were refloated and remained upside down and towed to the scrap yards in a capsized position. Amazing story. Because they weren’t damaged when sunk they were relatively easy to refloat.
She was a battle cruiser and the largest ship ever built for the High Seas Fleet but joined after Jutland, where her sister SMS Lutzow was lost and her other sister SMS Derfflinger with deadly gunnery was involved in sinking both the Grand Fleet battle cruisers HMS Queen Mary and HMS Invincible, and survived extensive battle damage. With the exception of Queen Elizabeth battleships the Derfflinger class battle cruisers were probably the best capital ships to serve during WW1.
The Bayern class and Revenge class battleships are both better in terms of armour and firepower. And frankly, the only thing she beats the British battlecruisers like Queen Mary, Lion, Princess Royal and Tiger on is armour. But even so, the British ships are armoured sufficiently against 12 inch guns, and carry 13.5 inch guns perfectly capable of doing a number on a Derfflinger class. Albeit the Derfflingers are still very tough ships and perfectly able to stand in the line of battle against their peers, to call them the best ships or even close to it during WW1 is highly debatable. Undoubtedly however, they are good ships. But so are their British counterparts in HMS Tiger, Lion, Queen Mary and Princess Royal.
Crabby you clearly know your stuff. I would suggest that only the Queen Elizabeth’s were clearly superior. The Revenges were obviously much slower and the Bayern’s were also much slower and the 15” when tested was actually considered a bit of disappointment by the Royal Navy. It is all very subjective and post Jutland when the Navy got more disciplined with its use of anti flash doors, handling of cordite and much improved shells you are probably right that the 13.5” of the surviving Lions and Tiger did finally give them an edge. However it has to be accepted that in both WWs German capital ships were very tough to sink and unlike the British Invincible, Indefatigable, Queen Mary, Vanguard, Hood, and Barham did not readily blow up. They may not have been anything like as seaworthy, and many were under gunned such as the all the German battlecruisers in WW1 and the Scharnhorst in WW2, but they took a lot of damage and in the case of pretty much all of the battlecruisers at Jutland (except Lutzow) and Seydlitz at Dogger Bank survived extensive damage. With Bismarck and Scharnhorst in WW2, the Royal Navy serious impeded their fight potential quickly, but sinking them was a another matter. I have heard suggestion due to their better compartmentalisation and greater beam due to German dockyards as key factors?
Pre nuclear steel taken from the hull of an imperial German navy ship scuttled at Scapa Flow was recycled and used in both of the NASA Voyager probes, both probes have now officially left the solar system and passed into deep space, in each of them a small part of Kaiser Bills navy, incredible journey, from the bed of Scapa Flow to beyond the edge of the solar system in a little under one hundred years.
What an incredible sight.. Would have been a great museum ship.. Everything was broken up, shame really that those that were scuttled and raised were lost for ever.
Giving the barrel a clean ready for ballistics testing. The barrel/s of the gun/s selected were run through with cleaning gear at the earliest opportunity.
The first 'talking' movie from Hollywood was in 1927. So it was probably sometime between 1927 & probably 1933. Just guessing from the clothing being worn by civilians
Actually, as the brits well knew, the Kaiserliche marine classified sms Hindenburg as a battlecruiser, not a battleship. Though, with germans the difference was much more vague, since their battlecruisers could (unlike the RN counterparts) indeed take serious battle line punishment without exploding to thousand pieces. Especially the derfflinger class was known for it`s ruggedness in front of enemy fire, earning it`s lead ship the nickname Iron dog from the RN.
Stupidity, when we think that the R.N. was the national "armada" to produce more battleships and did not realize to conserve a single one. Well... the Hindenburg was German.
This was in the year 1930. Early film sound too, music tune (?) somehow doesn't fit the occasion. A stiff british brass band march would have been more appropriate.....
Hey Brits! Since you're so good at scrapping Navy vessels from anywhere in the world, how about I give you the USS Enterprise. Its been waiting for a torch for a while now. All you got to do is come and get it! It's free!
Much better to remove it and clean up Scapa Flow. It was not a ship that went down in battle and contained bodies. It was just scrap iron. Very good quality scrap iron too.
I don't get that at all she was not a war grave the Germans scuttled her, and if left could have caused environmental damage so where does the exaggerated disgusting act of vandalism come from??
Excellent book to read. Jutland to junkyard.
Covers the salvage of a large number of the German fleet scuttled at scapa flow after the end of WW 1. A number of ships were refloated and remained upside down and towed to the scrap yards in a capsized position. Amazing story. Because they weren’t damaged when sunk they were relatively easy to refloat.
Another excellent book is" Bowman, Gerald" (1964). The Man Who Bought a Navy: The Story of the World's Greatest Salvage Achievement at Scapa Flow
Sad end for a really handsome capital ship. Rivals the Lion class in beauty department!
I highly recommend reading Coxs Navy. A very detailed story of the technical difficulties in raising these massive ships.
She was a battle cruiser and the largest ship ever built for the High Seas Fleet but joined after Jutland, where her sister SMS Lutzow was lost and her other sister SMS Derfflinger with deadly gunnery was involved in sinking both the Grand Fleet battle cruisers HMS Queen Mary and HMS Invincible, and survived extensive battle damage. With the exception of Queen Elizabeth battleships the Derfflinger class battle cruisers were probably the best capital ships to serve during WW1.
The Bayern class and Revenge class battleships are both better in terms of armour and firepower. And frankly, the only thing she beats the British battlecruisers like Queen Mary, Lion, Princess Royal and Tiger on is armour. But even so, the British ships are armoured sufficiently against 12 inch guns, and carry 13.5 inch guns perfectly capable of doing a number on a Derfflinger class. Albeit the Derfflingers are still very tough ships and perfectly able to stand in the line of battle against their peers, to call them the best ships or even close to it during WW1 is highly debatable. Undoubtedly however, they are good ships. But so are their British counterparts in HMS Tiger, Lion, Queen Mary and Princess Royal.
Crabby you clearly know your stuff. I would suggest that only the Queen Elizabeth’s were clearly superior. The Revenges were obviously much slower and the Bayern’s were also much slower and the 15” when tested was actually considered a bit of disappointment by the Royal Navy. It is all very subjective and post Jutland when the Navy got more disciplined with its use of anti flash doors, handling of cordite and much improved shells you are probably right that the 13.5” of the surviving Lions and Tiger did finally give them an edge. However it has to be accepted that in both WWs German capital ships were very tough to sink and unlike the British Invincible, Indefatigable, Queen Mary, Vanguard, Hood, and Barham did not readily blow up. They may not have been anything like as seaworthy, and many were under gunned such as the all the German battlecruisers in WW1 and the Scharnhorst in WW2, but they took a lot of damage and in the case of pretty much all of the battlecruisers at Jutland (except Lutzow) and Seydlitz at Dogger Bank survived extensive damage. With Bismarck and Scharnhorst in WW2, the Royal Navy serious impeded their fight potential quickly, but sinking them was a another matter. I have heard suggestion due to their better compartmentalisation and greater beam due to German dockyards as key factors?
Should have added one other obvious omission the Kongos were also probably superior in all respects
Interestingly this steel is much in demand because of its pre-nuclear bomb testing none contaminated content.
steel from the SMS Koenig was used in the Apollo missions I am told.
Pre nuclear steel taken from the hull of an imperial German navy ship scuttled at Scapa Flow was recycled and used in both of the NASA Voyager probes, both probes have now officially left the solar system and passed into deep space, in each of them a small part of Kaiser Bills navy, incredible journey, from the bed of Scapa Flow to beyond the edge of the solar system in a little under one hundred years.
What an incredible sight.. Would have been a great museum ship.. Everything was broken up, shame really that those that were scuttled and raised were lost for ever.
Giving the barrel a clean ready for ballistics testing.
The barrel/s of the gun/s selected were run through with cleaning gear at the earliest opportunity.
I believe armour from some of the German Dreadnoughts clad the nuclear reactor at Dounereay.
What year was this? Great video
The first 'talking' movie from Hollywood was in 1927. So it was probably sometime between 1927 & probably 1933. Just guessing from the clothing being worn by civilians
1930? As it says in the title. 🤔
The Title says 1930
Actually, as the brits well knew, the Kaiserliche marine classified sms Hindenburg as a battlecruiser, not a battleship. Though, with germans the difference was much more vague, since their battlecruisers could (unlike the RN counterparts) indeed take serious battle line punishment without exploding to thousand pieces. Especially the derfflinger class was known for it`s ruggedness in front of enemy fire, earning it`s lead ship the nickname Iron dog from the RN.
Worth a watch on TH-cam The "Hindenburg's" Last Voyage (1930)
disappointed their wasn't a Royal Marine band , and a naval colour guard on the quarter deck for raisng the white ensign
Stupidity, when we think that the R.N. was the national "armada" to produce more battleships and did not realize to conserve a single one. Well... the Hindenburg was German.
Nice tractor sound at the end.
I thought this was an airship
This battlecruiser came before the airship
No, not THAT Hinenburg!
I thought it was the zepellin lmao
@@poyrazkaripyan7544 oh the humanity!
@@lawrencelewis8105 how can you afford these things?/ #Hindenpeter
"oh the hu..." never mind.
This was in the year 1930. Early film sound too, music tune (?) somehow doesn't fit the occasion. A stiff british brass band march would have been more appropriate.....
Probably not a good idea to name anything Hindenburg, or Bismark
Go the Aussies!!. The "Don" on the far right.
Ww1 battleship
The growth doesn't seem to be as attracted to white.
Well, the only solace I take from that is that there is no British battleship remaining either.
Yes there is, IJN Mikasa.
@@newhope33 indeed built on tyneside
You sound like a sore loser 😂..
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Hey Brits!
Since you're so good at scrapping Navy vessels from anywhere in the world, how about I give you the USS Enterprise. Its been waiting for a torch for a while now. All you got to do is come and get it! It's free!
Enterprise you say ? Chief Engineer Scotty might be pleased - he may have relatives in Fife !!!
A disgusting act of vandalism! The Hindenburg should've been left in Scapa Flow.
Why?
Much better to remove it and clean up Scapa Flow. It was not a ship that went down in battle and contained bodies. It was just scrap iron. Very good quality scrap iron too.
I don't get that at all she was not a war grave the Germans scuttled her, and if left could have caused environmental damage so where does the exaggerated disgusting act of vandalism come from??
@@tango6nf477 Bit ironic to be accused of vandalism when her crew "vandalised" her by sending her to the sea floor in the first place.
The Royal Navy required the anchorage. They needed to move the junk.