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I test drove one of these this week. Flaring slipping and hard shifts make me second guess buying it. I like the dual clutch when it shifts nice. Good fuel economy too. Great explanations incase I do buy it and service it straight away
What a great idea. Never thought of filling through the drain plug. Great video.
cheers
Best video on youtube on this trans!
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This is bloody brilliant! Saves me having to disassemble half the engine bay to get to the damn plug.
Also looks like I can get a M8x1.0 brass fitting as well instead of having to drill a stud.
cheers
Hello. A very interesting video. There is a sealing plug on the upper side below the air filter to fill up for the new oil. Best regards
hi, yes we all know, but usually quicker that way if you`re on a hoist. cheers
Fantastic video, thank you. Great tips too. Got the same box in my Saab 9-3 and gonna change it same way you did
no worries, thanks and cheer
To drain the oil and check the level the temperature must be 60°C (+8/-2), checked via Diagbox. That's the factory instruction from Cit. If the oil is colder you fill in too much.
thanks & cheers for that 👍
It most certainly is not sealed for life. Volkswagen used to say that and that the fluid was a lifetime fill. Now THEY specify 60,000 mile or sooner on some vehicles. There is no lifetime fluid and it does not surprise me that Volkswagen had to eat their words!! It is not just Volkswagen doing it, they all do now and tell you it is sealed. Some dealers will not change it unless there is a problem. Once there is a problem it is really almost too late anyhow.
the correct term is meant to be "sealed for the life of the warranty" ....cheers 👍
Great help. Thank you for sharing 👍
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Excellent video and first on AT6. Well done.
Just for the record, manufacturer recommended temperature is 60 degrees
thanks for input. cheers
Brilliant video and explanation. Cheers 🍻
thanks & cheers 👍
Can all those trans be fitted to various types of većhicles they used I by manufacturers say peugeot to Volvo for Vauxhall alfa.. Do they use an adapter plate?
no idea, try asking dealerships. cheers
Hi mate. you saved the day! Wife is happy. Thanks. There was 1 issue. When I took out 3Lt of fluid, I pour in 4L and when temp is up , drain it out till level with the plastic straw at the plug. The issue is the fluid keeps coming up. I stopped at 2L (was expecting 1L to coming out only) I will need to grab another bottle i think . Thoughts?
hi, best is to have scan tool and have trans temp @ 40C with motor running. cheers
@@YepThatsIt thanks I used the temp gun like your and it was 39c. 9 above what you recommended. Car seems to run fine, must be within the range of tolerance.
you sir ,have the best ,and only complete 6 speed auto video on the whole YT..Question...can you give me what size of tubing you used to push the fluid back in...and is it a t40 or T45 for the inner plug.. ? Cheers brother and thank you
hi, thanks for enjoying our vid...sizes should be described in vid.. torx t45 for oil level tube and 17mm allen key for drain plug, filled with 8mm or 5/16 tube on our fluid pump. cheers
@@YepThatsIt perfect.. i just noticed the torx says T-40 on the side of it...appreciate it
@@kittymande might have been torx plus ? sorry i cant remember. we usually use the one that fits best. cheers
Hi. I just stumbled upon your video wish by the way I have found it to be a great video and very informative. I am doing a similar job on a 2018 Jeep Compass and I was wondering how did you created your adapter, since this is exactly the type of adapter I"m looking after and I wish to lnow if you can point me on the right direction direction on how to create one myself. Anyway, thanks for the great instructional video. And thanks again for for your prompt response. Cheers.!!! 😄👍
hi, we make many things ourselves. for filler - find a suitable threaded bolt, cut off the bolt head and drill as large a hole as you can. cheers
@@YepThatsIt Ok. Thanks for your prompt response!!
hello, I just bought a 2007 Volvo xc 90 fwd 3.2L with a 6 speed transmission. and I think it needs a transmission filter and transmission fluid change. However, I called a 2 local Volvo dealership's to see about getting the filter and gasket and the first dealership couldn't find the parts listed in their inventory. and the 2nd dealership, told me that it was a sealed unit and that it couldn't be replaced only flushed, and if it was flushed it could make the transmission shift worse. Moreover, the car as been sitting on a dealer lot for quiet sometime, so I figure it needs changing. is there a filter and gasket for this car and if so where can I find it. also is mobil 1 3309 the correct fluid for it. and I also would like your take on additives for the transmission.
hi, filter in internal and needs to be dismantled to access and replace. you can add an inline filter in the cooling line if you like. transmission solenoids are accessible by the side cover and if you have troubles, id be looking at those first. always check basics, like fully charged and strong battery, good electrical connections, good earth strap connection and correct fluid level at required temp. cheers
@@YepThatsIt Thinking the same thing fitting a inline filter...My AT6 on Peugeot 508 doesn't have the oil coming out, the heat exchanger is mounted on the transmission body with engine coolant flowing in and out.
By the way, I'd be very careful with inline filter as if the filter is blocked because the fluid is too dirty and the bypass valve inside the filter doesn't open or open not enough, the trany will be cooked. I read a few reports online blaming the poorly designed filters.
@@youtubehobbyists if the inline filter gets that blocked...your trans is usually buggered anyway. cheers
the parts to do this service properly are bloody impossible to get!
Ive literally had to screenshot other TH-cam videos doing this service on Volvos and read the part numbers off to then punch that into google.
you can reuse the old seals ofc but ehh I don't feel too good about that
Very frustrating that going through the usual car parts distributors leads nowhere with this transmission.
In my case , I have a Volvo (s40 2012 D3 and S80 2009 2.4) it is stated that AW1 should be used (or also called : WS standard).
hi, thats what dealerships say. any compatible fluid will suit unless you prefer genuine search your prefered brands. we use penrite or tritech see tritechlubricants.com/lube-guide/ & www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/ cheers if deserves a few beers, link is in description, thanks
Dont use Multi ATF ! This gearbox is very sensitive and it doesnt like other than recommended 3309 (Euro4) or 3324 AW-1 (Euro5) oil. Dex III/VI is the base, but missing important additives! For example Mobil 3309 is original, what you get from citroen. Second thing, you need to reset autoadaptive values and oil counter via diagnostic tool. You should use it for oil temperature check too.
hi, we go by recommendstions by the 2 main reputable brands we use which are Tritech Lubricants and Pentrite here in Australia. usually you only need to readapt if electrical components have been replaced. we have compared fluid temp using digital thermometer at same time as using scan tool, with no real difference ( i will make vids when i get time ) besides it depends where in trans pan they place the temp sensor...if you ask trans design engineers, they will tell you it is not that critical ( often placed centre or forward part of valve body ). you alone own your decisions and the choice is always yours. cheers
@@YepThatsIt Im working with (mostly) hydropneumatic citroen cars from 2004. I have tested several fluids for this gearbox, but original had best results (mobil). For example valvoline maxlife multi ATF declared 3309 norm, and it didnt worked. Now its not recommended to use it for this box (only in German datasheet). Autoadaptive values are recommended to reset by manufacturer. Its official procedure after oil change, not only components, because new fluid can cause friction differences and bad shifts. This way the gearbox is warned to re-learn values.
@@plenex have you tried Tritech and Penrite products, both are excellent quality. i know there are some dodgy products out there.... www.tritechlubricants.com/lube-guide/ www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/ we also sometimes use Lubegard products to bring up properties of fluids. check out their spec sheets cheers
@@GuestInMyOwnCountry It can be more things, over internet its just guessing. Torque converter, low fluid level, worn out transmission. But i will do diagnostics first. Reading live data and trying to simulate the juddering. In gearbox data should be input and output torque, see what it makes during load.
Excellent trade tips of using a high strength bolt head for the large Allen key and filling up from the bottom! I am making up a threaded tube with a M7 brass tube (couldn't find the perfect size and softer materials) for the the oil filling. Can you tell me the thread is M8X1.25 or M8x1.0 otherwise I just make two and to see which one will fit. The M8x1.0 is less common, My large Gearwrench tap set doesn't have it but some cheaper sets do. Thank you so much, mate.
hi, sorry if late reply, i get dozens ofquestions every day...i dont remember but i`d say more likely 8x1.0mm cheers
@@YepThatsIt Yep mate, it's M8x1.0 mm, I finally used a 8 mm outer diameter brass tube. The oil change fixed the clunk at first gear. The fix started showing in the 2nd flush. I have done total 3 flushes. I have also found you need to reve the transmission a little bit to get the bad oil out. My gearbox had black oil came out in the first flush. I originally took the car to a transmission place. The guy there wouldn't just do a oil change. His theory is the new oil is thinner so the clunk would be worse, got to be an overhaul. As I needed the car and couldn't leave the car there for 3-4 days. I was forced to DIY. The theory seems to be true now that the thinner oil frees up the stuck valves so everything back to normal. Thanks again for the great tips.
Good morning, I have a 2011 Volvo S60 T6 model, I think the automatic transmission is this one, TF-80SC, but the manual says to use VOLVO BOT 341 double clutch oil, VOLVO 1161838, what oil should I use?
hi, checkout www.datateck.com.au/lube/tritechaus/ or www.datateck.com.au/Lube/PenriteAus/ cheers
Greetings! I have a DS5. I have a problem with the gearbox. When I take it to "D" it gives me a car kick. I checked it with PC but it does not register any problems.the blow gives me so powerful that the whole cabin moves. this problem does not always give me. but give me 2 times a week or 3. I changed 4 liters of oil. but again the same problem.I live in Albania and there is no good specialized engineer here.
please help me.My car is citroen ds5. 2012. diesel 200.nafte.163kf
hi, more than likely contaminated or worn solenoids. cheers
Hi. I just found your channel and by the way, brilliant video.!!! I own a 2018 Jeep Compass Sport third gen that comes with the Aisin F21-250 6 speed automatic transmission and I have noticed that the drain plug is very similar as to the car on your video. The fill plug is located underneath the battery tray and very difficult to reach and I was wondering if I can use this fill thru the drain plug method without harming anything on my transmission. Please let me know if this can be done. Thanks beforehand for your prompt response. Thanks!!!👍😁
hi, you can fill whichever way you like, just make sure you check fluid level properly. cheers
@@YepThatsIt Thanks for your prompt response. Thanks.!!
in some video here they say the temp. should be between 50 and 60
if they say so...cheers
Citroen says 60 degrees
Has the Pennrite fluid been working well in that car? I have a Volkswagen with a similar transmission. I know a couple places that sell Pennrite fluid but I often just get the Toyota fluid. That is much cheaper than VW's fluid which sells for nearly 25 USD for my car. What I do is look around on the internet to see who used what and what kind of luck they had with it in similar cars to mine. Volkswagen would be one of the best cars sold here in the USA if they didn't have valve body problems. Not all of them have that problem but the ones that do annoy their owners somewhat.
hi, fair enough. cheers
Can you please advice me if I fit a replacement can I use any većhicle that been fitted with that trans? Eg Volvo to alfa i gater same trans has adapter plate fitted to each for various manufacturers using it.?
hi, needs to fit same motor and electrical plugs on trans. cheers
Exelente...será la misma caja del Peugeot 508 ????
hi, should be very similar if not same. cheers
I thought there is a fill plug underneath the battery air box area
hi, many ways to skin a rabbit. cheers
Hello!
So the TX40 is not a normal M8 thread? Finethread for sure? I want to have the same adapter ready for my next flush.
Great idea 👍🏻
THX🙋🏻♂️
hi, so many vehicles out there, but those are the common threads. cheers
@@marklapping85 hi, if same thread shouldn`t be a problem. cheers
@@marklapping85 hi, as big as you can without weakening thread strength. cheers
Hi. Thanks for a great video. I went to service my Volvo V 50 but found that although the top -up plug looks the same as in your video, when I look at the bottom of the gear box I see two separate black drain Allen Key type plugs neither of which have the internal Torx plug for checking the level. Am now totally confused.
hi, sometimes they have a filler tube and dipstick from the top of transmission. check to see does yours have a dipstick or fluid level check plug? cheers
Many thanks for quick response. There only seems to be the one plug on the top and I can’t see any dipstick just the two plugs on the bottom of the box. All three are Allen Key fittings. I’ve got the Haines manual for this car and although it shows both the 5 speed and 6 speed boxes, neither of them match with what I’ve actually got.
I thought Aisin TF-80SC is a torque converter transmission gearbox, since the transmission oil it recommended are ATF?
hi, they are listed together in my vid probably because i thought that service procedure is very similar...ie no trans pan to remove and trans needs disassembly to replace internal filter. cheers
Hello Dear friend; Good video. Please I have a Question. I have an ASTRA J 2.0 with AF40-6. Is it an issue if I overfill the transmission ? Currently it have about 3.5 L of ATF-VI Motul oil. the dealer say to me that it is normal but I saw that he didn't use the level plug to check the level. Thank you in advance.
hi, do not under or overfill trans. if overfull the fluid will get aerated if it reaches the spinning components and cause similar or worse issues as not having enough fluid. cheers
overfill is worse... its easy - 50-60 celsius and open level plug to dripping oil...
I am interested in one Peugeot 3008, 2.0 163hp (2010) with AWTf 80sc, is it a ,"real" AT gearbox (not semi automatic, robotised, etc), and therefore is it more reliable and better option overall, or maybe not?
Thanks
hi, all mechanical components need regular servicing. the cleaner and cooler you keep a trans, the longer it will last. add additional magnets to help keep naturally created debris away from solenoids and from clogging or passing through the filter. bypass the cooler/heat exchanger to help keep temp down and reduce rubber seals and o`rings from hardening, not to mention risk of coolant entering trans. cheers
Is this the same transmission as 2012 Range Rover Evoque, how do you change the filter as well?
hi, if same trans, you need to disassemble trans to replace filter. adding a magnet and inline filter in cooling line will help prolong life of trans. cheers
It's used in ford Mondeo mazda cx7
I stripped the head of my torx 40 bolt, any ideas?
hi, you can try loosen with small chisel on head if you have access, otherwise you will need to drill head out with drill bit not bigger than the bolt diameter. hope that makes sense. cheers
Would this be the same process for 2013 Renault Koleos 6 speed auto deisel ?
Cheers.
hi, yes very similar process. cheers
You should use the AW1 oil not the one you show which is for the older versions (AW-50-51 etc. )
hi, we use what atf is advised for particular vehicle using rego. tritechlubricants.com/lube-guide/ or penriteoil.com.au/#/rego-search cheers
Unfortunatly, these oil finders reccomend multi specification ATF oil and in this example, even wrong one... Multi-spec ATF oil degrades very fast which shortens livespan of box and is very poor quality. These boxes use either JWS3309 which is same as Toyota T-IV spec on older versions or AW1 oil on newer. Multispec ATF oils meet either older or newer spec but both. If youre first hearing this from me, you shouldnt continue changing oil in peoples cars
@@strmi28 Hello sir. Very familiar with cars , but I am not a mechanic. :-) . Just good experience and research for more than 30 years... . Love to learn all the time . Changing oil is very important , especially in hot areas. After 30,000 km , oil becomes like water , viscosity drops , but only sensitive driver can see the way the car drives different.Best wishes.
how many liters of oil does this transmission carry, and the torque converter would help me a lot that information thanks
7 liters. If you want sort of a full flush you need to do 4 x 3l changes. Take the car for 5k drive each time and change gears aggressively.
When it comes down to oil, the cheapest you can use as per manufacturing specs JWS 3309 is Chief Mohican Auto Transmission Fluid - Synthetic Multi-Vehicle, 4 Litre
15$ per 4 litre
@@whiskeybluez does this type of gearbox aisin have cooler?
I have found it does not!
@@stevenjr6582 this particular gearbox has heat exchanger, it works with cooperation with main cooling system. You can see it in this video. It's that round part of gearbox, located in front of it.
I consider to buy Citroen C4 with this transmission (EAT6, TF80SC). Is it safe to change the oil in car that has around 150.000 km and transmission oil is never changed? There are a lot of controversy about that, even from AT mechanics, because in some cases oil change in that mileage can do more harm than good (new oil is thin and can cause slippage on friction materials because of wear).
"Changing the transmission fluid on a high-mileage car is risky. Don't do it unless your transmission is running fine and the fluid is first-rate, because it can make transmission failure imminent...Some shops will not change the automatic transmission fluid on high-mileage cars due to the risk of problems arising after the service."
hi, if a fluid change and trans service do make trans issues after its done, that only means you have pending trans issues anyway. you would not be able to confidently rely on it. always do regular trans services, by-pass trans oil cooler is recommended to eliminate chance of coolant entering trans and helps rubber seals remain pliable, and add additional magnets to help collect metallic debris and keep swarf away from solenoids and sensors. do not be afraid of doing a regular service, it will either prolong trans life and reliability or show you have issues anyway. cheers
So, if the fluid is properly maintained and flushed at service intervals, then changing the fluid will not harm it, however if the trans fluid is left to get burnt/deteriorated? Don't touch it. Leaving it until rebuild is best.
Hi sir. Got C4 grand Picasso 2015, automatic transmission.How many miles you need to change the oil ? Any recommendations. I have done 60k miles on it 😸
hi, the cleaner and cooler you keep your trans, the longer it will last. when trans has done lower mileage you can stretch out the service interval, but as they age more frequent is better. i usually recommend every 30,000km. cheers
and i dont recommend just changing the oil, replace the filter, clean magnet ( or add one ) and clean the pan
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Thanks a lot for quick response sir. That has been really helpful 👍
I think this may be a very incomplete fluid change. The fluids in the transmission cooler are not drained through this process.
hi, choice is yours. cheers
Static oil change always isn't complete in automatic transmission gearbox.
My freelander 2 is at 230 thousand kilometers and the transmission oil has not been changed at all. Is it okay if I change it? I changed the oil, will it break down?
hi, just change it, replace filter and add magnets. cheers
@@YepThatsIt The oil filter is inside the gearbox, will I need to remove it before I can replace it
@@Sergen92 what is the issue with it? if its ok, just add an inline filter in the trans cooling line, wherever you can get easy access to. cheers
Where I can buy the tube that you use for filled fluid from bottom ? thx:)
hi, if you can`t find online, you can get a engineering shop to make you one on lathe. we usually make stuff ourselves. cheers
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Do they make a fill adapter? thanks
hi, you can buy the filler adapters.....easy enough to make one for yourself. cheers
Is that can be the same for citroen c4 picasso 2007??
hi, definitely could be if same trans. cheers
I think is not, this here is auto trans, my picasso is with semi auto
You don't have the engine running. It gets warmed up to 60C then the level is checked.
no worries
The filter is in a bastard position
Have to split the case its behind the bellhousing . What a bastard
"It's got the v6 engine in it"... yeah... not really
its a 4Cyl 16V 2liters,,,,163 or 180hp, am i right?
Ах ты ж гадзилла, ты ещё в кадре пердеть решил? Hey man! Are you fartin ' on video? WTF??? 12:29
haha it wasn`t me
@@YepThatsIt
Nobody besides you.
would`ve been a horse !
That's the most useless way I have ever seen! What about the rest of the oil? Oh there's a filler plug on top of the gearbox 😂😂😂
whatever is easier for you ! thanks & cheers
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