When New 52 Wonder Woman fell apart
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0:00 - baby food
0:41 - volume 1
4:00 - volume 2
5:33 - volume 3
6:40 - love prevaills
8:00 - credits and message
|| mystery song of the day ||
My feet are aching
And your back is pretty tired
And we've drunk a couple bottles, babe
And set our grief aside
The papers say it's doomsday
The button has been pressed
We're gonna nuke each other up, boys
'Til old Satan stands impressed
And here it is, our final night alive
And as the earth burns to the ground
Oh, girl, it's you that I lie with
As the atom bomb locks in
Oh, it's you I watch TV with
As the world, as the world caves in
You put your final suit on
I paint my fingernails
Oh, we're going out in style, babe
And everything's on sale
We creep up on extinction
I pull your arms right in
I weep and say, "Goodnight, love"
While my organs pack it in
And here it is, our final night alive
And as the earth burns to the ground
Oh, girl, it's you that I lie with
As the atom bomb locks in
Oh, it's you I watch TV with
As the world, as the world caves
Oh, it's you that I lie with
As the atom bomb locks in
Yes, it's you I welcome death with
As the world, as the world caves in
As the world caves in - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Nothing rougher than to watch a new set of writers take a very good arc and piece it apart almost immediately after. It always makes it seem like the characters are idiots or got emotional amnesia.
When sequels undo everything that comes before? Also known as The Last Jedi syndrome? Lmao
Who made the art in your pro pic
I think I saw art from that person years ago in a TH-cam vid who didn’t list credit so I’ve been trying to track it down
Spider-Man Fans: First Time?
@@Paradox-es3bl Rise of Skywalker undid more than Jedi did
*Community flashback*
Wonder Woman only has 2 moods when writing her as a character
1- Ruthless blood thirsty warrior
2- a compassionate hero who inspires good in man kind and gives hope that we can still be good
well I like the first one🤤🤤🤤
The first are poor writers that don’t get the character, the second is wonder woman’s purpose and proper characterization
@@ProGamer-hg3mb She has no purpose except to be a feminist icon irl now. Her persona as a champion of truth and love is just boring af because DC are too afraid to make her anything less than perfect or else the Twitter activists will come after them. Good superheroes need some edge to be cool. They keep saying shes a 'rebel', but she is the most lawful good character in DC.
@@pranayravi9449 I'm guessing you aren't a superman fan then?
@@p-nut2642 Superman is a neutral good guy. He is grounded and doesnt see himself as more than any human around him. He isnt as tight-assed like Batman and he doesnt judge ppl like WW. hes alright, but they really need to nerf his powers.
As the world caves in is one of my favorite songs. I had it on replay when my wife was having her chemotherapy sessions.
I hope she beats cancer man
God bless y’all… I love that song too
What’s the band?
@@GR3YMAN1A thanks, her last exam got clear results, but we have to be always vigilant, she's still on her meds though
Just wanted to say congratulations to you, my dude
The New 52 somehow managed to constantly be a disappointment. I have never seen a series so consistently go under everyone['s expectations time and time again.
And I was talking to a buddy about this the other week, why don't comics just do preplanned blocks? Like, DC resets every half a decade to a decade anyway, so instead of doing it because you keep writing yourself into stupid corners, how about you have a plan? And I don't mean a giant meta plot plan, I mean, you go "Ok guys, consequences matter and things are gonna stick. In this batman run we get 200 issues, Joker gets the death penalty on issues 65, and Batman gets to have his overall win by issue 200. Got it? Got it."
And then, when that's done, just... go do another self contained block.
You realize 200 issues is around 15 years right? That's a lot of forward planning
@@gunfighter009 Marvel already does it for movies. They proved it can work. And if that really is too long, they can just plan for a shorter amount of time.
This is a lie. I've read every single New 52 thing right before they did Rebirth and they had some amazing gems like "I, Vampire", "Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E.", "Swamp Thing", "Animal Man", the majority of the Bat titles were also quite well liked.
@@gunfighter009 I did not, but ya, just shorten the run then
I think some writers have tried that but it didn't work out in the end.
Honestly I put the blame on marketing/corporate mandates. It seems like a no brainer that if a book isn't selling well as is to tell the writer to stop doing whatever they are doing rather than wait for the payoff that may never come.
Or they want to cross promote another book/hero so now have to work in team ups so have to write around that. Or major world ending events in another book means the writer now has to address how the hero reacts to this new thing from another book.
Or a movie or game is coming out and they want it to line up with that.
I don't necessarily just say "corporate bosses are dumb", more like it's a consequence of having such large interconnected universes with heroes that face ever increasing threats
I liked that you included some of the interview with Meredith Finch. One of the other things she said at the time was that she had not read a lot of Wonder Woman comics and therefore she was coming in with a "fresh take." It always kills me when someone joins a beloved franchise with this mindset, thinking if they don't know what's already been done, then their unfamiliarity to the franchise will automatically provide a new and different perspective. As a fan of any franchise, I think any of us would cringe at that sentiment. I would say: if you're not going to do the homework, please don't proudly admit that you skipped it as a selling point. Frankly I'm shocked any time a new writer doesn't simply say "I've always been a fan and I'm excited to write for them!"
Another thing she said in an interview was that she wished she could have Wonder Woman wear a variety of costumes instead of always wearing the same thing, but she lamented that this decision was beyond her control... which made me laugh since her husband was the artist. Granted, they were likely instructed to keep Wonder Woman in the official New 52 costume (don't get me started on the blue boots and silver accents). The main thing about the art of this run was that Diana's face always appeared so child-like that it creeped me out.
Bruh, that's The stupidest thing a writer could say
Exactly! If you don’t love the character or source material, then don’t touch it
Stuff like this is why I stopped reading superhero comics. It gets so tiring watching writer after writer just discard what came before and make sure that no character has a consistent character and nothing has consequence.
I've found that I can thoroughly enjoy superhero comics as long as I stick to recommended collections. I recently picked up the complete Immortal Hulk, and it's wonderful. I don't need to know any of the surrounding continuity, I don't need to find out what happens next. Azzarello and Chiang's Wonder Woman was similar for me - all I really know about New 52 is that and Dial H (which I also loved). There's lots of great superhero comics, but I'll certainly never subscribe to a monthly title again.
one of the biggest gripes i had about this new run of wonder woman was the art. the first artist didn't draw her witrh an hourglass figure. she looked like she was physically imposing, actually had muscles, like a force to bereckoned with. it was awesome to see a different body type represented. a stocky body builder who *looks* like she could punch through a brick wall.
No. Just NO. This "body types represented" is utter woke idiocy. Heroes are supposed to be ASPIRATIONAL. If you are somehow "stuck" because you "don't feel represented" that's a woke mind virus YOU have to get rid of.
Or "I'll never be like this", especially in todays day and age, this is simple idiocy being taught.
Wonder Woman is supposed to be an icon of femininity. Anything watering that down for these destructive woke excuses has got to go.
Yeah and probably got a shit ton of backlash how it was "unrealistic" for a woman to look like that, ignoring that everyone has super powers so why are they muscular in the first place, and complaining about "women can't build muscles like men" and "damn feminists want ever woman to look like a man now"
Boys on the internet get really angry whenever fictional woman isn't a bombshell supermodel.
@@bluecanine3374 i'm a cis dude and WW has been one of my favorite superheroes since i was a kid. the BEST runs (like this one, or rucka from the early 00s) depict someone who CLEARLY works out and is like.. 6 feet tall. part of diana's charm is that she is physically imposing but just exudes love and kindness.
she'll fuckin murk medusa, cut her head off, and display it to the world like a trophy, but afterwards she'll take all the girls watching out for ice cream.
man i need to read that rucka run again, that shit was amazing.
Agreed. I didn't love where they went with Diana's story, but there's just something intrinsically _wrong_ with the way they drew her baby face and barely-muscled physique here.
I've literally seen female fitness influencers on yt with more muscle mass than this version of Diana.
@@Morlock19Darwyn Cooke's Bigger-than-Superman Diana is another personal favorite.
I like you doing a video solely about a specific comic run. You usually fold in the comics for further comparison/contrast when you analyze an animated property, but I really enjoyed you talking just about a specific run and what happened. Your critique is always insightful and even-handed.
Thank you for this! This run was horrendous! It is never explained how Diana was the end product of murderous rapists… ever. She was never established as an agent of peace as much as a fight thirsty warrior idolizing Ares. People loved warrior Diana with her sword for her bad assery as opposed to the character established over 50 decades. The image of Wonder Woman with a sword in one hand with a baby on her hip is not the vision I believe her creator had for her existence. Killing machine Donna Troy would not fit into Titans. And what was the purpose of being daughter of Zeus when there is almost no familial reward or real impact. Diana would protect the baby period. I found it distasteful that Diane now stole Cassie’s origin and is a female Hercules. The slaughter of the male Amazons just cause they were male was atrocious. So happy almost none of this era has an impact on the present.
I just finished reading the entire New 52 run of Wonder Woman, after seeing the previous video. You really nail home the feelings i had.
There is something in the dark that holds value, but i miss the bright, warm love of the original arc had. I still enjoyed the second half, but the sense of tragedy was brutal.
Seeing everyone lose what so hard fought for may be possible, but it wasn't what i wanted. Perhaps i just hate the use of Hera as a villain.
4:22 I lost it at this. The voice killed me 😂
Some of this "clearing the slate and undoing some character growth, then focusing on doing stuff because it's cool rather than trying to say something" is actually what I hate about a few runs I have read recently(ish). The one that really springs to mind for me is Donny Cates' Thor run, which really didn't sit well for me after reading every Thor solo from the destruction of (original) Asgard on, especially as Jason Aaron's run (flawed as it was) at least tried to explore/interrogate the purpose and role of gods, particularly Thor.
I'm sorry but if you're putting Jason Aaron there I don't see how you can have an issue with Cates. Aaron went back to Thors origin and clicked extend so it wrapped around his entire history before it, lessoning the impact in an effort to "explore" it goes from making his arrogance reasonable/expected to the tail of an idiot that never learns. Sure it gave us God Butcher but it's like the post Azzello Wonder Woman without the excuse of having lost the leading writer
@@cyberninjazero5659 I'll start by saying my comment was in reference to Aaron's Thor run, so if the issue you are raising is the Phoenix thing from his Avengers run, I am not referring to that (though I think the response was overblown because Aaron was always going to work his way to the explanation he gave, or something like it). As for his changes to Thor's past within the solo run, I saw little that was really incongruous nor did I see the story of an idiot who never learns - in fact, it was very much about a person who learns and changes and adapts to his circumstances and experiences, even if he has some traits that will always lead him into trouble. Young Thor is brash and energetic, "current" Thor is more methodical and cares more about the people than the battle (though he is still an arrogant warrior at heart), and Old King Thor has a combination of weariness and arrogance from being one of the last people remaining (and so has not really been challenged in a long time). The biggest thing for me, however, is that it was all pointed, that it was purposeful - even if he was building to an "ultra bad ass" moment or making things a bit convoluted, it was because he was examining and interrogating the purpose and role of gods (particularly Thor and the rest of Asgard), especially when they are flawed beings. Thor becoming "unworthy" forces him to examine who he is at his core and eventually embrace being a protector and leader and how he can be those, the War Thor examines the bloodthirsty nature of warriors who cannot anchor themselves in more than just battle (and also how tragedy can drive people too far, which is mainly the Punisher story), Jane Foster Thor directly interrogates Asgard and its actions. I found no such redeeming themes or examination to Cates' writing, just "wouldn't it be cool if Thor got the power cosmic, then killed Galactus"-style thought. He came close to having a point with Donald Blake (especially after he was manipulated by Enchantress), but it stopped short of really having any meaning or anything to say except "ain't it messed up what happened to Donny".
@@Tuaron I was referring specifically to him making Mjolnir sentient and ALWAYS requiring a "worthy" wielder thus nullifying and reducing his initial origin and exile into the tale of a moron who really should have learned this lesson by now and had it deeply ingrained
@@cyberninjazero5659 I read that Mjolnir aspect as it naturally rebelling against the one who imprisoned it (Odin) and not liking being imprisoned, but coming to appreciate Thor - and then Odin exiling him for not being *who Odin wanted him to be*, and so Thor needed to prove himself to Odin. Then the later Unworthy plotline was Thor proving himself to himself.
@@Tuaron You can say that/read it that way sure but it's very clear in the flashbacks that Thor had an entire "worthiness" complex over the ordeal far back into his past. On top of that the entire point of his origin story is that he WAS arrogant and reckless. Making it so it's just a "Son didn't turn out the way his father wanted him to" story just cheapens it and dragging it so that the real version happened long long ago in the past isn't adding depth it's click & drag like if Punisher kept getting remarried and having children the keep getting killed off in criminal crossfire until one time it finally stuck, it just comes across as goofy and lessoning the original story. Thor wasn't even the worst origin Aaron butchered but the less said about Thanos Rising the better
The storytelling in your vids is so cinematic. I don’t even really care about comics that much but these vids are so good I gotta watch!
The interesting thing about the Azzarillo WW run is that just about everything that works in it only works in that run. Even the Diana daughter of Zeus thing which they still kept only works in this run. Its part of why I like to call it the best Wonder Woman else world thats for some reason cannon.
I honestly consider the Azzarello run the the best written WW comics I've ever read. Most WW comics are fairly crap.
@@robertcarter4002just isnt for you
Campy optimistic fun isnt necessarily bad
I reccommend greg ruckas run and hicketeia
If those dont do then it just isnt for you
@@radiantberserker8857 I liked Rucka's run and the Hikitia too!
Walt Simonson's run on Thor in the 80s was life changing (yes, I'm old), and I remember being not only confused by but flat out hateful about the Tom DeFalco and Ron Frenz run afterward. Hated it. We survived Ragnarok for...this? Ugh, no thank you.
Flash forward many, many years to Grant Morrison scaring the hell out of Marvel with his revolutionary X-Men run, only to have it immediately undone by Joss Whedon (at Marvel's behest, of course). Admittedly, I did enjoy Astonishing X-Men, but it was pedestrian compared to what it followed (note: I am not one of those people who thinks Morrison can do no wrong--but when he's on, he's mother-flippin' ON).
Much like Captain America, I can do this all day. The movie Highlander 2 crapped all over and (mostly) missed the brilliance of Highlander. Most things don't know to quit while they're ahead, "ruining" great stories/characters/etc, because y'know, business. Money to be made, or in the case of comics and wrestling and soap operas (the Siblings Three) there can never BE an ending because they're ALWAYS ending. Creators leave, but the property lives on...
But that does not mean that the amazing work done before all the aforementioned is "ruined" or "undone". Each property, like all things in life, are simply changed. And if/when we're lucky, it will be great again, just in a new way. PREFERABLY in a new way. Or it won't. But the greatness of yesterday is still there, waiting to be discovered and/or rediscovered. It's the way of things, valleys and peaks, yada-yadda...
I'm sure I had a point. Like I said earlier, I'm a dinosaur. Solid video as always, thanks.
I love your videos, very well put together and I love the songs you choose
I'd love to see you tackle more comic runs in general!
Your videos go so hard!!
I'll be honest, for all it's flaws, I did really like most of the character redesigns of New 52...
I adore the character when she's in reasonably competent hands, and had to nope right out of the follow up to Azzarello and Chiang's run. Looking forward to what Tom King does with Diana.
Azzarello Wonder Woman got a taste of it's own medicine, it built up the leading lady of comics by tearing down everyone around her. Which would be fair enough if it stuck to her cast/characters but I can't forgive it for what it did to Orion and the New Gods
Tom King will probably make her sad and depressed about some great tragedy she recently went through. His style of writing doesn't work on a lot of characters, and WW is no exception. I say this as someone that ranks a King book in my top 5 of all time, but his Batman run proved that his style isn't suited to most characters.
@@thabanentshangase His Vision was good but his Mr. Miracle was a massive slog especially in the second half
Kind of a good thing rebirth and it's run for the characters is somewhat better
Yeah every arc in this run made me go "ok this is boring. Oh that's a cool idea, we can do some stuff with i-oh, it's over already...well I guess we tried"
I think one marker of quality for this run is that when this vid started I realised the only part of the new 52 wonder woman era I'd read was the Brian azzarello work, but then I realized halfway through the first part I realized again that I'd actually read every single issue but only initially remembered that Donna came directly out of it
Thanks for giving Wonder Woman some love I for one am looking forward to the George Perez, Greg Rucka, and Rebirth Run video too!
thanks for the video
New 52 Wonder Woman, i will wait for your return GOAT queen.
I always saw Diana as an avatar for truth more than war or love.
Hera changes back after becoming a god again as if it the growth didn't happen reminds me of "overly sarcastic productions" saying how the Greek gods are stories and they can't change, how Hera always torments the innocent sons of the cheating Zeus and not Zeus because in her nature and She cannot change it(or something among those lines I cna't remember exactly what it was).
Edit: I didn't finish watching before commenting but now that I saw that "Everything was done because of love" makes me questions if all of this isn't Aphrodite fault.
I for one am looking forward to the Greg Rucka Rebirth Run video. That's the nicest thing I can say about the Fincher run, lol
More comic run discussions. It'd make me so happy.
I will say, as much as parts of this run sucks, I really like Diana's costume in Vol. 2. It felt like actual armor and didn't feel like it was impractical
Ah the New 52. So many highs and just, if not more, lows. I'm still glad it happened, because it got me into comics.
Got me back into then, but I'm back out now u couldn't take it anymore
Stop almost getting me to cry at the end bruh lol 😂
Ah yes let's undo character development because why expand that development when you can make their character rubber band backwards
Hey man, is there any way to request or commission a video on something? I'd really like to have you do Shazam: Power of Hope, part of the World's Finest Heroes collection done by Paul Dini and Alex Ross.
As an Orion and New Gods fan the only thing I can say about Azzarello Wonder Woman getting ruined is.
VENGEANCE!!!
Loved part 1 not 2
Am I going to sleep or am I going to watch this video? That’s a trick question I never sleep
It's not "he-cat" it's "heh-ca-te." He-kah-tay. Idk how to spell the pronounciation well, but Hecate isn't "he-cat" lmao.
New 52 ruined Diana’s character. Before it, and in her best stories, she represents love, peace, victory, and truth. This is represented in her arsenal and purpose in man’s world. She is specifically in man’s world to teach love and brings peace. Her lasso was known as the lasso of truth, and was primarily meant to make people be true to themselves. Her bracelets were the bracelets of victory, to show love always wins and to embody that she won’t stop until she wins. Her earth 3 counterpart had the lasso of submission. Specifically, submission embodies her evil counterpart and is nothing like the real Diana. Having her stories in the New 52 incorporate submission is a character assassination and makes her too close to what is meant to be her opposite.
blud is waffling
Say what you will about her new 52 series but I will always maintain that Long Sleeved outfit is her best fit👌..
The entire New 52 Wonder Woman was an abomination from beginning to end. From the costume, art, rewriting of Diana’s origin. Totally undermined everything about who the character was. New 52 is an era best forgotten ever existed. Erase from WW cannon forever
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It was all over the place, but it was an interesting read.. the first time ever I bought so many WW comics & looked for to the release.. something I never thought would happen.. i hadn't been privy to her character being written interesting over extended period of time.. For instance, I can barely read an issue of it now.. there are spots of interests here & there, usually not for any entire issue for my tastes.. the forcing of previous status quo is ultimately a turn off, just with a few new characters here & there.
Can you make a spotify playlist?
I heartily endorsed her love affair with Superman. I have always felt they are ideal for each other.
And again that's the reason why Wonder Woman fails because everybody comes in and restarts everything forgets previous storylines retcons characters history The lore or just whatever in general. And just expect you to just be okay with that and get right back into the story. This is why I Wonder Woman stop being interesting since the new 52 ever since the new 52 happen they have killed Wonder Woman and she hasn't recovered since and she won't until they stop doing stories like this and until they go back to what she originally was and not trying to make her some knockoff version of Xena Warrior Princess I'm sorry that's what it comes off as
What’s the song at the end of the video called
I just finished this series. It really fell apart when Chiang and Azzarello left.
Interesting thumbnail
can you please do a video on death metal?
Kratos would be a good friend to Diana
Bamboozled by Hecate
Kanye’s latest AI track
Song at the end?
Please make one on v for vendetta
What’s the name of the song that plays during the end credits? At 8:00
May be a bit late friend, but it’s “something that was changing your mind” by Paper Twins
@@dane6079 Thank you
TLDR; The usual
Do the Rebirth soon
The New 52 started with the run falling apart because Azzarello did not want to write the character. He wanted to make a bad greek tragedy featuring the character while establishing nothing for her "new status quo." Finch was a amateur writer that inherited a horrible mess.
Credits song name?
I'm in love with Wonder Woman (Diana Prince) . ❤💓💓
AYO?
Lore of When New 52 Wonder Woman fell apart momentum 100
The worst part of this run was what they did to Hera.
Hi!
The finches run rapidly failed😢
Is Diana still the god of war in the current run?
Even Q grew after mortality...
Man... speaking of wonder woman, I'm so nervous for this new series by Tom King coming out. He's so hit or miss and he's said he didn't really want to write wonder woman... Trinity seems like such a half baked idea when Diana has 4 daughters already in different continuities... he's said that it will follow strictly Diana and won't focus on any of the 3 current wonder girls (Sorry yara flor)
I think we're expecting another flop coming up😭
Oh yeah... I forgot about the amazons orgy raids... 😬
I really hated the disco boots. That's all I have to say.
Zeus clapping all the cheeks
God all mighty the new 52 Wonder Woman run went downhill real quick and was just garbage.
the new armor is fire at least
Please do a Star Wars video
Do a video about all 9 of the skywalker saga Star Wars movies.
I really enjoyed the beginning. But dc loved to focus and meat ride Batman. The stories for supes and ww made no sense and became crap
batman allows them the luxury and budget to try out other characters.
Yeah this is why I don't read comics anymore
0:14 Hey, we do not know each other but I would like to tell u that despite all the bad that you have done in your life, GOD still loves you and wants you to be with him (GOD), all yoi must do is to trust in Jesus like how he would trust in parachute when jumping out of a plane and you must be willing to turn from your wrong doings and do what is good
Jeez what a $#@& show. I feel bad for anyone spinding money on this.
new 52 was such a pointless disaster aint it?
make a good wonder woman history part 2 poop in the first part
This run was just forgettable. I recall the new outfit and that's it.
I've read another comic by this team - and it sucked i think they kinda suck at making comics
Wiping out the male "Amazons" tells you everything you need to explain the downfall of American comics.
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Not to mention the end of self love above all and at the expense of other is a very today thing aswell
@@ObsidianFallen Yeah, Identity Politics, in addition to being sexist and racist, is ultimately narcissistic as well.
New 52 was a massive flop all round, and very messy. Another excellent video.
Never liked wonder woman tbh, always was irritated by her quirk of going "man's world and his problems is the reason of ruin" that some writers made her as at times
pretty much sounds like a mythologization of wokeism
The design is ugly and WW doesn’t need any sword.
you gonna cover 52 superman/wonderwoman comics?