Wonder Woman in Injustice was an AH, but there's a reason for that. There are two major differences in the normal DC universe and the Injustice universe, those being The Joker and Steve Trevor. The Joker is obvious, his plan to nuke Metropolis and make Superman feel responsible for it was one thing, the other was Steve Trevor was a Nazi Soldier. He tricked the Amazons and Diana, getting her to go with him only to eventually get caught and declare he would love no woman as much as he loved the Nazi empire. That broke something in Diana, and she's been damaged ever since.
Fans who say this are usually of only two backgrounds. Wonder woman getting her own series would mean every other character needed their own. Hawkgirl, Flash, John, MM. It simply wasn't enough time.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6shes part of the trinity and has a longer history in the comics to use for stories If she got a series it doesnt mean the others need one too
I love when she was about to cave Toyman’s skull in after she thought he killed Superman and Flash says “we don’t do that to our enemies” and Diana just says “we? b-, you speaking French?”
In the DCAU, Wonder Woman started off as someone who didn't know about the world outside of her island, yet still wanted to help. Not to mention that she was raised with a warrior's mentality and an Amazonian's distrust of men. Plus, the constant battles against villains. Along with her temporary exile from her home and mother due to her decision to help mankind. These factors easily could play a role in the anger that Wonder Woman has shown throughout justice league and justice league unlimited, along with the fact that she does care. While Wonder Woman does sometimes need help to control her anger, I like how she does at times control her anger on her own. There is more to Diana than just her anger and warrior mentality. Wonder Woman does care.
Here's the thing though, Wonder Woman was taught to always extend the hand of peace and never give in to anger. The show kind of ignored that. They just made her into another Xena Warrior Princess. They barely show her as an ambassador to her people aside from that one episode.
I mean she is angry when she has to be and definitely sometimes lets her emotions get the better of her but she is also kind, compassionate, caring, stubborn, opinionated, highly competitive and very outgoing. She tries to avoid conflict but if pressed she will engage in battle and will always defend her friends. DCAU Wonder Woman is fearless and focused on her objectives. She will not hide from her actions and always makes herself available to face the consequences. Diana is an unapologetic feminist. However, she does see her people's bias as problematic boarding on xenophobic.
This. Diana knows who she is and doesnt apologize for it, but she knows she isn't perfect, she is a paragon of will but knows that she can go overboard and is more than ready to accept being wrong.
When she snapped Maxwell Lords neck, i think it was a combination of everything mentioned here. It wasnt like Injust Superman. She just calmly twisted the mans neck like a door knob lmao 😂
@@GloomdrakeThey made Cheetah a batman villain, they made her learn the lessons to not kill her enemies when amazons were made for peace, she should be the one teaching those lessons, also the made Hades his dad and a bad guy, there are a lot of flaws with this version of wonder woman
In Wonder Woman's defense, the DCAU had an extinction level super villian threat every episode! I can see how being exiled from her home and her mother because she wanted to defend mankind effected her. She wants to go home but she can't because every week someone like Lex Luthor tries to take the planet over or become a god! That probably gets annoying after a few consecutive weeks of that type of stress.
So, she needs to WOMAN the hell up. She's not the only hero going through turmoil. Heck fucking Superman has to wake up everyday knowing that his species is extinct. He will never feel at home no matter how "human" he looks.
@@MythmasterFunky Also live with the fact that one wrong move and the bones of everyone he interacts with gets turned to dust. Superman himself said the world in made of cardboard. Witch by the way sounds like Sups is downplaying his own strength, by a lot.
That one scene where she tells Hawkgirl “I should leave you to burn” but still free her sums up Wonder Woman in a nutshell. She’s a warrior but still does what’s right.
A dang shame we never ever got an animated series about this version of Wonder Woman. This design and of course Susan Eisenberg voice is chefs kiss perfect. I wonder why we never got one.
Can we have this kind of writing back in today's world? Mature, respectful, unbiased, thought provoking, instead of the low effort trash we are being given.
@@kennethsatria6607 I mean you’re not wrong but it’s still a apparent standard. It’s less…consistent but not like to the point I’m going to put it down
Diana's characterization here reminded me of how she was written in Kingdom Come. But as we moved forward in the series. Diana slowly gets to develop to the Diana that we knew & love from the comics. And I LOVE that. And that's why she's still my fav depiction of Diana. Because we see her grow. And Susan CRUSHED it as Diana. Her voice is engrained in me ever since I was a kid. Could not hear a Wonder Woman quote without her voice playing in my head.
DCAU Wonder Woman was really hit and miss, but the lows were lower than the highs were high. I'll just get this out of the way first: her crush on Batman was not a good thing. People complain that it often felt like Batman was written as a self-insert, and having the hottest female in the universe crush over him (despite his abrasive personality that rubs everyone else the wrong way) was the cherry on top. It really seemed like it was written more to re-emphasize how cool and suave the writers thought Batman was as opposed to giving WW any real character depth. But other than that, we had stuff like her immature squabbling with Hawkgirl and her over-the-top anger and it's really not a great take on the character. I mean, what reason did she have for taking Hawkgirl's portrayal more personally than the others, other than that they bickered throughout most of the series? And why did they bicker in the first place? Then there's the fact that WW was treated as the team rookie in the beginning instead of being one of the elder statespeople that other heroes look up to, and how she didn't get to earn her status as a distinguished Amazon among her peers and instead secretly escaped from the island with the stolen armor. I'm just shaking my head thinking about how they could've written a better version of this character. But to the show's credit, Paradise Lost was a good, emotional episode with palpable heartbreak.
This channel makes me feel a lot less weird for absolutely obsessing over Smallville and integrating Clarks personally and morals into my own. It drives me nuts when people say this about tv and such but Smallville raised me.
@@wonder_platypus8337 it kinda is unless we'd have total anarchy You'd probably say differently if someone stole every penny from your accounts or tried to kill your family
While i understood her dislike of Hawkgirl after what happened, i felt like her holding onto the grudge was a bit out of character. Even BATMAN forgave Hawkgirl. Diana is not a bad character, but her intense aggression is a little off for a millenia old warrior
Na I guess she values loyalty alot. Hawkgirl betrayed them told alein invaders the teams weakness for years she gained there trust just to betray them.
Batman forgave Hawkgirl cause he knows that if it came down to Earth and another Planet, he'd choose Earth, however for Diana she'd be willing to stand with the Earth cause that's her only home.
I think it was drawing off Diana’s history in Tower of Babel and other similar showing. It got cut from the justice league doom movie-the one where Batman’s plans all nearly kill the Justice League? In it she says something like. “I actually don’t blame people for their circumstances. For feeling like they need a safeguard against us for themselves and their home. I also don’t depend on them to save my life in a fight though.” Forgiving Batman in that instance but still wanting him off the league. It makes sense for a warrior. Because playing in Diana’s weight league means she’s not actually immortal. Soldiers have a reputation for blunt and simple because getting any fancier with it usually gets ugly. Gets lethal. Hawk girl was a lot of things but none of them were simple. 😅
It makes cultural sense, Diana was raised on a military culture with a misandrist way of thinking, for her people, the idea of sisterhood and loyalty is essential, and what separates them from the men's world, that's why she is the "spirit of truth".
Angry? She just seems like a soldier/commander in the field. It’s her game face. now if you see her kicking puppies in civilian clothes on the way to get a coffee and bagel you have a problem.
@@sonicsucks20I actually liked it, it made a good deal of sense, certainly more than the Supes / Wondy ship DC does a lot. And it’s infinitely better than the Bruce / Barbara ship Bruce Timm insists on including nowadays.
@@magicaltour1At least the Super Wonder couple feels more natural, they have many things in common, not only powers, but that feeling that they are alone in the world, they lost their home (of course, Themiscyra didn' t explode like Krypton, and Diana isn't the last Amazon, but she was exiled from her people and can never return), and despite that, Superman and Wonder Woman are not beings of darkness and sadness, they share hope, kindness, faith, that relationship exalts both of them, not only Superman, and Clark helps Diana get closer to humanity and be more understanding, he removes the prejudices that she unconsciously has. With Batman it's the opposite, they have nothing in common that makes them minimally compatible, even the Bat himself says so in the series, and that relationship only magnifies Batman, it doesn't contribute anything to Wonder Woman, it only makes her looks like a bitch from Batman's harem.
Interestingly, the North Kaznian general that Ares sells the Annihilator to has an attitude far more in line with the god Mars, Ares Roman counterpart. Specifically, war for the sake of defending territory, rather than simply for the sake of war itself.
Well… ya… of course she is? She’s an immortal princess from an island of powerful Amazonian warriors who lived on an island for her whole life. Honestly with the stuff people said and did in this show she showed an impressive level of restraint.
This has always and will always be my *FAVORITE* Version of Wonder Woman ever It's seriously a crying shame she didn't get her own TV show. She was definitely the most interesting character on the show
I love how you make me look back at all these series. This new unlicensed background music you use is so peaceful 😂 I literally woke up to it playing in my head.
This sshow made me love wonfer woman. Despite being the oldest person in the league. Shes the newest to being a hero. Shes brash. Angry and aggressive. It makes a fun dynamic. Shes also super confident as a woman..really interesting character. I also love love that she loves my favourite hero batman
Batman mellows out because you need that Everyman/human element to keep power in check. Batman even says that to Green Arrow when he gets inducted. The events from Superman TAS had him realize how dangerous he could be if his power was manipulated. Throughout JL, you see him getting angrier in order to keep someone like Luther from using his own power to manipulate everyone to achieve his own selfish ends. Superman keeps teetering more into using his power to stop those ends, but absolute power corrupts, which ties into the Justice Lords storyline. Batman is there to keep him in check.
@@jaybone2321 I would say it shouldn't be Batman because the man is paranoid. Whereas Superman is the optimistic one who generally would keep anyone in check while not being power hungry. Batman likes to be in control
@@UnifiedEntity I agree, but that’s why they play off each other well. At times, Superman can be overly optimistic, like when he didn’t want to consider the Justice Lord scenario because he felt he’d never do that, but you still need to consider what could push you to that point. Batman is pragmatic but is also paranoid of simple ideas, like when Wonder Woman asked him out (more/less). The middle man here was actually Green Arrow during the Cadmus arc. He was the voice of reason since he’s neither overly optimistic or paranoid. Just good writing all over when you see how they balanced all the characters.
Diana is always a hothead and usually has that annoying "holier-than-thou" warrior mentality. Plus, she can really hold a grudge, and all that together is why she is never the PR person or tactician of the League like Clark or Bruce. But at the end of the day, if the writers know what they're doing, she's still a compassionate hero who does what's right, even if it makes her sad or angry.
The writers didn't get her character right. Wonder Woman should be wise, level-headed, and patient . She left her island to represent herself as a diplomat, not a bloodthirsty warrior .
DC In the live action is better everything Hollywood is better.Hollywood DC is as good as Marvel Hollywood.Everything Hollywood is better.I prefer DC and the Hollywood project with the Batman movies.Superman films everything hollywood It's better it matches the Marvel Hollywood for me. Animation on DC is trash.
Not the angle I expected. And you went the whole episode without saying that she gets the last line of the entire DCAU. "And the adventure continues" indeed. I'm sure your pretentious brain could find a fun tie to giving her that line.
Best version of wonder women period and she's not that angry i mean she did stop hating on men which is one of the reasons this is the best version of her she actually learns Never mind she's really angry after i watched a bit more of the video and i love the stock scream they used here 1:09😂
Even when Wonder Woman was at her peak in the DCEU in 2017 I thought the DCAU version still had her conflicting views, beliefs, and goals that seemed more fleshed out than her live-action counterpart. And then WW 1984 came in to wreck so much potential. Gal Gadot deserved as much love for her character as Susan Eisenberg got.
Shes passionate about fighting for justice, but gets wore down by the apparant lack of progress. Theirs always someone letting their ego and hatred dominate their life and cause suffering for others. Love is a hard emotion to find and use.
I find it weird seeing superman having a temper. That seems like the edge lord super man for writers who can't write anything more complex that "superman is evil because I'm so CREATIVE."
Maybe it's just me, but I've always felt the DCAU version of the Trinity had this *unpleasant angry streak running through all of them.* To the point where I find it difficult to truly enjoy _Justice League_ or really anything _post-New Batman Adventures._ It just makes them less heroic to me.
I've gotta say, your style of videos has really inspired me to change how I go about my scripts, and has helped me start to gradually develop a style I'm much happier with. I hope that doesn't come across the wrong way, I just think you have a fantastic way of going about these topics, and I almost always click on your videos the moment they come out
My only issue I have with this episode is that the "Dove" mentality is all well and good for interpersonal situations, but is less applicable on the international level.
@@xXichibanBaller The beauty of the Cold War is that bullets were never fired between the main powers at play. This episode portrays an active warzone. It's a few steps down the road.
Hey, we do not know each other but I would like to tell u that despite all the bad that you have done in your life, GOD still loves you and wants you to be with him (GOD), all yoi must do is to trust in Jesus like how he would trust in parachute when jumping out of a plane and you must be willing to turn from your wrong doings and do what is good 0:09 😊😊😊😊😊😁😁
The Ego/Superego/Id stuff is all very insightful and provides a thematic take on this episode that I hadn’t thought of, but what are we Jungians to do? Will there ever be a video for us?
While I feel Diana has her reasons for holding onto her distrust and her grudge against Hawkgirl because of Hawkgirl proving she wasn't throwing in her lot with the league and proving her loyalty with them, she is still that naive warrior princess in that she doesn't consider the fact that while yes, while she cares about loyalty above all else, and Hawkgirl also values that kind of loyalty, Diana never considered that Hawkgirl's loyalty was first to her people, not to a bunch of people she only met like a year ago As for the rest of her anger issues throughout the show, she had never had a taste for how the grain of life ran outside of themyscira, while she got that world ending threats were a once every so often kind of thing, she never got that things just below that that most heroes deal with on the daily happen well, on the daily. For the longest time she felt distant because she didn't want to get attached to anything, but then she saw that if she continues to pursue the ideal of seeing justice be done, she might well be here for god knows how long, and that ticked her off that helping to continue seeing justice be done in the world outside of her tiny little island wasn't ever going to have just one easy fix. That's why she was particularly angry in that opening of the episode where she was like, "I just wanted one day off where I could pretend that the ideal goal I so greatly want to see accomplished could actually happen without me being there to keep it going" and that's also why in that same vein of anger, therein lies her reason why she started to get truly attached to the league and some of it's members in particular, namely Bruce and John, and why Hawkgirl's betrayal continued to hurt, because once she had "accepted" that helping to bring justice to man's world wasn't just a one and done job, she began to see that the league truly were her new sister/s(and brothers) in her new isolated floating fortress in the sky and she would be able to rely on them to always help her see out that ideal goal, and when Hawkgirl, a women, the kind of person she had grew and known for being able to trust to the ends of the earth for the last how ever many thousands of years on her island home, when hawkgirl betrayed the league, she particularly betrayed Diana in her mind because of that context
I kind of feel like she and Hawkgirl were only friends in the sense of "2 chicks in a room full of dudes". Women stick together instinctively so it becomes kind of a superficial relationship.
The DC amazons are an idealized version of one man's sex fantasy portrayed as pro-feminism in order to be published. Also helps he completely ignored how horrible they were, save for the mind control girths that he glosses over.
@@crhu319 Same reason people adore Donald Trump or Orion Pax adored Megatron. She is a powerful person that seems similar to them and they wish to be that powerful.
I know this sounds kinda cliche and ridiculous, but i just rewatched all the cars movies and realized that lightning mcqueen had a really interesting ark. The first movie setting him up for becoming a legend, the second is learning what makes him one, and the third is learning to pass on his legacy. its actually really poetic. i think it would be a really good video idea.
Of course Diana has anger issues. But that's what makes her awesome. That an her unwavering sense of justice. And the episode with Hawk and Dove was kinda of a throwback, with Kevin (Hawk) & Wayne (Dove) was great
She was raised on an island of spartanesque women who, while teaching her a fairly high moral code... also taught her that men are the antithesis to everything her tribe stands for.... yeah, I'd say she has issues.
Another interesting piece of subtle characterization in the episode is that Hawk's eyes are whited out while Dove's aren't which gives you more of the impression that Dove is actually paying attention to what is going on around him.
8:46 I know totally unrelated, but having Aquaman at the justice league meeting table gave me so many happies, since the episode here was an homage to the justice friends show. Also because Aquaman is the only member who can walk around shirtless with his chiseled pecs out and I had such a huge crush on this version of Aquaman!
@@Superlad945 I'm not entirely sure if he is or isn't counted as a founding league member, since in justice league he only acted upon protecting atlantis and siding with the league, but was never really declared a member.
@@Superlad945 that's actually really cool, I need to find his notes on the series. This version of Aquaman is by far my favorite, and would have loved to see more episodes with him in
Justice league episodes ran for years in a disjointed loop where I live, so that moment when Diana almost killed Toyman was the first time I've seen the cartoon knocking at the walls to show how thin is the separation between a heroic teen's cartoon and a murderous gore fest.
The angry DCU Wonder Woman is a result of a drive to focus on her as a warrior Amazon around early 2000. This is when she went to using a sword a lot as opposed to relying on her powers and lasso. She is comparable to Superman in power, but she needs a sword where as he does not. Wonder Woman is an angry agent of peace. The saddest scene is in JLA Dark where she stops a person plagued with visions of monsters from hurting others. When the victim says they see monsters, Wonder Woman says the only monster she sees is the victim- this is the bad ass Wonder Woman who is tougher than any of the makes around her. That message is peace is a drive to be strong and sarcastic.
1:50 dcau Diana wants to live among humanity and enjoy the richness of "man's world". She is basically Ariel a Disney princess. But imagine if Ariel was also a warrior of Atlantis. And that instead of going on her date Ariel had to keep stopping nearby crime in Eric's kingdom.
“Just get a service job don’t take risks, don’t got to college, don’t try to better yourself” Can’t keep up with the cost of living and inflation “You should’ve taken more risks. You should’ve gone to college. You should’ve tried to better yourself.” I did what I was told to do and now I can’t make ends meet or start a family. “That’s a good thing! You have enough! Be grateful!” * Explains how the economy is failing due solely to the greed of the obscenely wealthy “STOP BEING POOR!”
I hate Wonder Woman in the cartoon vision.I prefer Wonder Woman in the Hollywood vision.Everything in Hollywood is better on DC.Just like hollywood on marvel everything on hollywood is better
Well, bite your elbows with rage, because that's how it will always be in the beginning, Wonder Woman is a "fish out of water", she knows nothing about humanity when she leaves Themiscyra, and that mentality later changes when she interacts with her friends of the League and Steve Trevor, that's her character development and you can't take it away from her just because you're angry that a fictional female character hurts your fragile male ego. You can't expect a character who has been on an island for thousands of years to not have any prejudice or negative mindset about something she doesn't know, Wonder Woman would feel fake that way. And at the end of the day, she's not entirely wrong, humanity in general is violent.
This is why Gal Gadots Wonder Woman blabbering on about love and friendship is so obnoxious. The team constantly has to reel her in, in the comics. She was not trained to disarm and defuse like Batman. She's a warrior, she was trained to kill and she enjoys it. Lady got demons.
Off topic as a greek legend fan i find it funny its ver of hephaestus is oddly a womanizer wildy misrepresenting like on par to disney take on zeus with hercules movie even tho he married to Aphrodite and usual wants nothing with her
Y'know, I never really liked this episode. I usually skip it during rewatches. But in this recontextualization, I feel like I just simply missed something about it. So thank you, I suppose, for seeing that there's more to this than simply an 'angry guy who's wrong-calm guy who's right' story.
Idk why but I genuinely hate DC animated Wonder Woman but I like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman. I think its the hypocrisy that is built into her character for me, idk what it is.
I know you were fighting back insane diarrhoea when editing this, proud of you bro..
It wasn't as runny as you think
Ew😂
@@ImplicitlyPretentiousI'm glad I'm not the only one who had this problems
Lmao
We need this collaboration.
She has a nice balance between angry and compassionate unlike some other Wonder Woman which did her a major Injustice
She was pos in injustice
Nice.
That Wonder Woman had a different origin story. Steve Trevor was a spy for the Axis instead of the Allies.
Wonder Woman in Injustice was an AH, but there's a reason for that. There are two major differences in the normal DC universe and the Injustice universe, those being The Joker and Steve Trevor. The Joker is obvious, his plan to nuke Metropolis and make Superman feel responsible for it was one thing, the other was Steve Trevor was a Nazi Soldier. He tricked the Amazons and Diana, getting her to go with him only to eventually get caught and declare he would love no woman as much as he loved the Nazi empire. That broke something in Diana, and she's been damaged ever since.
@@darkmask5933 She should stayed on the wonderbat and that wouldn't of happened
Her scene with Toyman is one of the best in JLU. "I'm gonna punch a hole in your head" without a hint of embellishment
I mean, she was, rightfully, completely and absolutely mad af
Wonder woman deserved her own series in DCAU, she was a good character in a lot of episodes.
But underdeveloped
@@srstriker6420 exactly why she needs her own series
Fans who say this are usually of only two backgrounds. Wonder woman getting her own series would mean every other character needed their own. Hawkgirl, Flash, John, MM. It simply wasn't enough time.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6shes part of the trinity and has a longer history in the comics to use for stories
If she got a series it doesnt mean the others need one too
The same argument could be made for many characters in JLU
I love when she was about to cave Toyman’s skull in after she thought he killed Superman and Flash says “we don’t do that to our enemies” and Diana just says “we? b-, you speaking French?”
Flash did have a stronger comeback for that.
In the DCAU, Wonder Woman started off as someone who didn't know about the world outside of her island, yet still wanted to help. Not to mention that she was raised with a warrior's mentality and an Amazonian's distrust of men. Plus, the constant battles against villains. Along with her temporary exile from her home and mother due to her decision to help mankind. These factors easily could play a role in the anger that Wonder Woman has shown throughout justice league and justice league unlimited, along with the fact that she does care. While Wonder Woman does sometimes need help to control her anger, I like how she does at times control her anger on her own. There is more to Diana than just her anger and warrior mentality. Wonder Woman does care.
Perfect said
Wonder Woman would probably rather jump naked into a big pile of thumbtacks, than go visit the Mojo Dojo Casa House.
YES
Here's the thing though,
Wonder Woman was taught to always extend the hand of peace and never give in to anger. The show kind of ignored that. They just made her into another Xena Warrior Princess.
They barely show her as an ambassador to her people aside from that one episode.
@@leohino9211for real, this version of diana is horrible
I mean she is angry when she has to be and definitely sometimes lets her emotions get the better of her but she is also kind, compassionate, caring, stubborn, opinionated, highly competitive and very outgoing. She tries to avoid conflict but if pressed she will engage in battle and will always defend her friends. DCAU Wonder Woman is fearless and focused on her objectives. She will not hide from her actions and always makes herself available to face the consequences. Diana is an unapologetic feminist. However, she does see her people's bias as problematic boarding on xenophobic.
This.
Diana knows who she is and doesnt apologize for it, but she knows she isn't perfect, she is a paragon of will but knows that she can go overboard and is more than ready to accept being wrong.
When she snapped Maxwell Lords neck, i think it was a combination of everything mentioned here.
It wasnt like Injust Superman. She just calmly twisted the mans neck like a door knob lmao 😂
A humble but fiery Wonder Woman is my favorite
DCSHG, DCAU, and DCU are my favorite ones
@@jamestolbert1856
Which "DCU"?
And by "DCSHG" do you mean 2015 or 2019?
DCAU is the definitive version of DC as far as I'm concerned.
Dcau is the gold standard
or maybe you’re just nostalgia blind
@@ToasterLad_you’d think, but it holds up on rewatch, which is really neat
@@GloomdrakeThey made Cheetah a batman villain, they made her learn the lessons to not kill her enemies when amazons were made for peace, she should be the one teaching those lessons, also the made Hades his dad and a bad guy, there are a lot of flaws with this version of wonder woman
In Wonder Woman's defense, the DCAU had an extinction level super villian threat every episode! I can see how being exiled from her home and her mother because she wanted to defend mankind effected her.
She wants to go home but she can't because every week someone like Lex Luthor tries to take the planet over or become a god! That probably gets annoying after a few consecutive weeks of that type of stress.
That's a Tuesday afternoon in Metropolis for Superman
So, she needs to WOMAN the hell up. She's not the only hero going through turmoil. Heck fucking Superman has to wake up everyday knowing that his species is extinct. He will never feel at home no matter how "human" he looks.
@@MythmasterFunky Also live with the fact that one wrong move and the bones of everyone he interacts with gets turned to dust. Superman himself said the world in made of cardboard. Witch by the way sounds like Sups is downplaying his own strength, by a lot.
Susan Eisenberg is by far my favorite Wonder Woman. Her voice has so much power behind it.
That one scene where she tells Hawkgirl “I should leave you to burn” but still free her sums up Wonder Woman in a nutshell. She’s a warrior but still does what’s right.
A dang shame we never ever got an animated series about this version of Wonder Woman. This design and of course Susan Eisenberg voice is chefs kiss perfect. I wonder why we never got one.
Can we have this kind of writing back in today's world? Mature, respectful, unbiased, thought provoking, instead of the low effort trash we are being given.
There is great stuff being made, what you are paying attention to is the real question.
@@MeningitisAAA Yes but quality like this used to be the standard though, many good shows with solid morals and priorities, alongside great action
@@kennethsatria6607 I mean you’re not wrong but it’s still a apparent standard. It’s less…consistent but not like to the point I’m going to put it down
@@kennethsatria6607 not really. For every justice justice league back then you would get three lunatics unleashed.
no writing is unbiased
DCAU Wonder Woman was one of my biggest childhood crushes.
Monkey Boy currently has a crush on Robot Chun Li.🐒👦❤🇨🇳🤖🐒👧
Wonder Woman is passionate, this can make her very aggressive, but also very kind.
Diana's characterization here reminded me of how she was written in Kingdom Come. But as we moved forward in the series. Diana slowly gets to develop to the Diana that we knew & love from the comics. And I LOVE that. And that's why she's still my fav depiction of Diana. Because we see her grow. And Susan CRUSHED it as Diana. Her voice is engrained in me ever since I was a kid. Could not hear a Wonder Woman quote without her voice playing in my head.
still one of the best wonder women portrayals i've ever watched
DCAU Wonder Woman was really hit and miss, but the lows were lower than the highs were high.
I'll just get this out of the way first: her crush on Batman was not a good thing. People complain that it often felt like Batman was written as a self-insert, and having the hottest female in the universe crush over him (despite his abrasive personality that rubs everyone else the wrong way) was the cherry on top. It really seemed like it was written more to re-emphasize how cool and suave the writers thought Batman was as opposed to giving WW any real character depth.
But other than that, we had stuff like her immature squabbling with Hawkgirl and her over-the-top anger and it's really not a great take on the character. I mean, what reason did she have for taking Hawkgirl's portrayal more personally than the others, other than that they bickered throughout most of the series? And why did they bicker in the first place?
Then there's the fact that WW was treated as the team rookie in the beginning instead of being one of the elder statespeople that other heroes look up to, and how she didn't get to earn her status as a distinguished Amazon among her peers and instead secretly escaped from the island with the stolen armor.
I'm just shaking my head thinking about how they could've written a better version of this character. But to the show's credit, Paradise Lost was a good, emotional episode with palpable heartbreak.
This channel makes me feel a lot less weird for absolutely obsessing over Smallville and integrating Clarks personally and morals into my own. It drives me nuts when people say this about tv and such but Smallville raised me.
There's better people on Smallville than Clark
@@friedfrog5447 sure. Does that change anything I said about my own personal experience? No. Buzz off buzz kill.
@@wonder_platypus8337 Whatever...Clark's morals aren't even good
@@friedfrog5447 you're trying to objectively say something about morality. That isn't how morality works.
@@wonder_platypus8337 it kinda is unless we'd have total anarchy
You'd probably say differently if someone stole every penny from your accounts or tried to kill your family
Best depiction of WW/Diana as character to this day.♥
While i understood her dislike of Hawkgirl after what happened, i felt like her holding onto the grudge was a bit out of character. Even BATMAN forgave Hawkgirl. Diana is not a bad character, but her intense aggression is a little off for a millenia old warrior
Na I guess she values loyalty alot. Hawkgirl betrayed them told alein invaders the teams weakness for years she gained there trust just to betray them.
Batman forgave Hawkgirl cause he knows that if it came down to Earth and another Planet, he'd choose Earth, however for Diana she'd be willing to stand with the Earth cause that's her only home.
I think it was drawing off Diana’s history in Tower of Babel and other similar showing. It got cut from the justice league doom movie-the one where Batman’s plans all nearly kill the Justice League?
In it she says something like. “I actually don’t blame people for their circumstances. For feeling like they need a safeguard against us for themselves and their home.
I also don’t depend on them to save my life in a fight though.” Forgiving Batman in that instance but still wanting him off the league.
It makes sense for a warrior. Because playing in Diana’s weight league means she’s not actually immortal. Soldiers have a reputation for blunt and simple because getting any fancier with it usually gets ugly. Gets lethal.
Hawk girl was a lot of things but none of them were simple. 😅
I would not call it a grudge. She just did not trust Hawkgirl, which makes sense.
It makes cultural sense, Diana was raised on a military culture with a misandrist way of thinking, for her people, the idea of sisterhood and loyalty is essential, and what separates them from the men's world, that's why she is the "spirit of truth".
The best Wonder Woman will always be Susan Eisenberg
DCAU wonder woman lived up to the old quote "wehn i deal with my enemies i DEAL WITH THEM"
Angry? She just seems like a soldier/commander in the field. It’s her game face. now if you see her kicking puppies in civilian clothes on the way to get a coffee and bagel you have a problem.
For even Batman to have feelings for her and vice versa, being able to handle each other just showed her amazing character
BatWonder what the worst thing the DC series has ever promoted in this company. It devalues both, but mostly Wondy for being a Batman floozy.
what are you yapping about
@@ToasterLad_non ur business
@@sonicsucks20I actually liked it, it made a good deal of sense, certainly more than the Supes / Wondy ship DC does a lot. And it’s infinitely better than the Bruce / Barbara ship Bruce Timm insists on including nowadays.
@@magicaltour1At least the Super Wonder couple feels more natural, they have many things in common, not only powers, but that feeling that they are alone in the world, they lost their home (of course, Themiscyra didn' t explode like Krypton, and Diana isn't the last Amazon, but she was exiled from her people and can never return), and despite that, Superman and Wonder Woman are not beings of darkness and sadness, they share hope, kindness, faith, that relationship exalts both of them, not only Superman, and Clark helps Diana get closer to humanity and be more understanding, he removes the prejudices that she unconsciously has.
With Batman it's the opposite, they have nothing in common that makes them minimally compatible, even the Bat himself says so in the series, and that relationship only magnifies Batman, it doesn't contribute anything to Wonder Woman, it only makes her looks like a bitch from Batman's harem.
I was scared for the villains near her
Interestingly, the North Kaznian general that Ares sells the Annihilator to has an attitude far more in line with the god Mars, Ares Roman counterpart. Specifically, war for the sake of defending territory, rather than simply for the sake of war itself.
Well… ya… of course she is?
She’s an immortal princess from an island of powerful Amazonian warriors who lived on an island for her whole life. Honestly with the stuff people said and did in this show she showed an impressive level of restraint.
Yeah, I was not a fan of her portrayal in the DCAU.
I don't think she is angry, I think she is deliberate. I love it. She is my favorite character in JL and JLU.
This has always and will always be my
*FAVORITE* Version of Wonder Woman ever
It's seriously a crying shame she didn't get her own TV show.
She was definitely the most interesting character on the show
Man I do love me strong warrior women that don't take any shit but are still effeminate.
Diana and Shayera always get me actin up.
Hephaestus is just trying to make the best product for his customer. That outfit was bespoke.
I love how you make me look back at all these series. This new unlicensed background music you use is so peaceful 😂 I literally woke up to it playing in my head.
This sshow made me love wonfer woman. Despite being the oldest person in the league. Shes the newest to being a hero. Shes brash. Angry and aggressive. It makes a fun dynamic. Shes also super confident as a woman..really interesting character. I also love love that she loves my favourite hero batman
You're right, you are... Im sorry but I have to say it...
*"Wonfer Woman"* 😂
I'm sorry im sorry.
@@puffygasp lmao. Don't be. My bad. In fact ill leave it that way so people will ujderstsnd ur comment
I hate BatWonder.
@@sonicsucks20 thats alright homie. Not all of us can have taste its ok
It's funny, in Justice League Superman overall is more stern and dare I say more angry. Same as wonder woman.
Meanwhile Batman mellows out.
Batman mellows out because you need that Everyman/human element to keep power in check. Batman even says that to Green Arrow when he gets inducted. The events from Superman TAS had him realize how dangerous he could be if his power was manipulated. Throughout JL, you see him getting angrier in order to keep someone like Luther from using his own power to manipulate everyone to achieve his own selfish ends. Superman keeps teetering more into using his power to stop those ends, but absolute power corrupts, which ties into the Justice Lords storyline. Batman is there to keep him in check.
@@jaybone2321 I would say it shouldn't be Batman because the man is paranoid. Whereas Superman is the optimistic one who generally would keep anyone in check while not being power hungry. Batman likes to be in control
@@UnifiedEntity I agree, but that’s why they play off each other well. At times, Superman can be overly optimistic, like when he didn’t want to consider the Justice Lord scenario because he felt he’d never do that, but you still need to consider what could push you to that point. Batman is pragmatic but is also paranoid of simple ideas, like when Wonder Woman asked him out (more/less). The middle man here was actually Green Arrow during the Cadmus arc. He was the voice of reason since he’s neither overly optimistic or paranoid. Just good writing all over when you see how they balanced all the characters.
Diana is always a hothead and usually has that annoying "holier-than-thou" warrior mentality. Plus, she can really hold a grudge, and all that together is why she is never the PR person or tactician of the League like Clark or Bruce. But at the end of the day, if the writers know what they're doing, she's still a compassionate hero who does what's right, even if it makes her sad or angry.
The writers didn't get her character right. Wonder Woman should be wise, level-headed, and patient . She left her island to represent herself as a diplomat, not a bloodthirsty warrior .
DC In the live action is better everything Hollywood is better.Hollywood DC is as good as Marvel Hollywood.Everything Hollywood is better.I prefer DC and the Hollywood project with the Batman movies.Superman films everything hollywood It's better it matches the Marvel Hollywood for me. Animation on DC is trash.
Susan Eisenberg will always be my Wonder Woman. Eat your heart out Gal Gadot.
I mean it’s not fair to compare an animated version to a live action version
I don't think Gal Gadot cares about who you prefer, respectfully.
@Maya_hee nor should anyone care ab that w**re
Not the angle I expected. And you went the whole episode without saying that she gets the last line of the entire DCAU. "And the adventure continues" indeed. I'm sure your pretentious brain could find a fun tie to giving her that line.
Best version of wonder women period and she's not that angry i mean she did stop hating on men which is one of the reasons this is the best version of her she actually learns
Never mind she's really angry after i watched a bit more of the video and i love the stock scream they used here 1:09😂
Facts
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 yes
She is a bit angry
Even when Wonder Woman was at her peak in the DCEU in 2017 I thought the DCAU version still had her conflicting views, beliefs, and goals that seemed more fleshed out than her live-action counterpart. And then WW 1984 came in to wreck so much potential. Gal Gadot deserved as much love for her character as Susan Eisenberg got.
Gal shouldn't have acted like Diana of Themyscira. WW is a character of love n war, Gal was a murderer who killed many Palestinian innocent people.
When Diana asks Hephaetus how to defeat the Annihilator, I think he says, "With that attitude you'll never defeat it." Thus, he told her the secret.
Shes passionate about fighting for justice, but gets wore down by the apparant lack of progress. Theirs always someone letting their ego and hatred dominate their life and cause suffering for others. Love is a hard emotion to find and use.
Major props to Michael York as Aries, brilliant line delivery at 6:04 😂
I find it weird seeing superman having a temper. That seems like the edge lord super man for writers who can't write anything more complex that "superman is evil because I'm so CREATIVE."
Superman can get pissed off, if you push him enough. He's not Captain Marvel/Shazam.
Superman always had a temper even in comics since the golden age era.
Edgelord means nothing.... Just a buzzword people like you throws around at anything complex or realistic
I have mixed feelings about this episode. Also, I think Aries design isn't my favorite.
In my youth, DCAU Wonderwoman was my crush. Next to Hawkgirl and Huntress.
I hated that episode. It was so simplistic and it didn't make Wonder Woman a more likable character. It was pure idealistic nonsense.
I love her kind and fierce spirit, but I hate her sexist attitude and self righteous behavior
Lol, great vid but my Batman will ALWAYS be the Batman who looks the whole JL in the face and says "You want me to WHAT?!"
Why she look at Hawkgirl like that 😂 0:58
Maybe it's just me, but I've always felt the DCAU version of the Trinity had this *unpleasant angry streak running through all of them.*
To the point where I find it difficult to truly enjoy _Justice League_ or really anything _post-New Batman Adventures._ It just makes them less heroic to me.
I've gotta say, your style of videos has really inspired me to change how I go about my scripts, and has helped me start to gradually develop a style I'm much happier with. I hope that doesn't come across the wrong way, I just think you have a fantastic way of going about these topics, and I almost always click on your videos the moment they come out
My only issue I have with this episode is that the "Dove" mentality is all well and good for interpersonal situations, but is less applicable on the international level.
It's been a historic necessity in a world where the stand in for the annihilator is nuclear bombs
@@xXichibanBaller The beauty of the Cold War is that bullets were never fired between the main powers at play. This episode portrays an active warzone. It's a few steps down the road.
@mr.murica2763 bullets were absolutely fired through dozens and dozens of proxy wars.
@@adrianopandolfo "between the main powers at play."
Trauma ? i was traumatized once they put me on an essay, a video essay video essays give me trauma. . . Trauma?
And her blonde sister tried to eliminate all men.
Hey, we do not know each other but I would like to tell u that despite all the bad that you have done in your life, GOD still loves you and wants you to be with him (GOD), all yoi must do is to trust in Jesus like how he would trust in parachute when jumping out of a plane and you must be willing to turn from your wrong doings and do what is good 0:09 😊😊😊😊😊😁😁
Amen luv bro
The Ego/Superego/Id stuff is all very insightful and provides a thematic take on this episode that I hadn’t thought of, but what are we Jungians to do? Will there ever be a video for us?
Uhhhh wonder woman is the anima (girl) batman is the shadow (dark and cool) Superman is the idealized self (can pull of spandex without looking dumb)
@@basedcringechad5640 Ok, that was pretty great! I’m impressed.
While I feel Diana has her reasons for holding onto her distrust and her grudge against Hawkgirl because of Hawkgirl proving she wasn't throwing in her lot with the league and proving her loyalty with them, she is still that naive warrior princess in that she doesn't consider the fact that while yes, while she cares about loyalty above all else, and Hawkgirl also values that kind of loyalty, Diana never considered that Hawkgirl's loyalty was first to her people, not to a bunch of people she only met like a year ago
As for the rest of her anger issues throughout the show, she had never had a taste for how the grain of life ran outside of themyscira, while she got that world ending threats were a once every so often kind of thing, she never got that things just below that that most heroes deal with on the daily happen well, on the daily. For the longest time she felt distant because she didn't want to get attached to anything, but then she saw that if she continues to pursue the ideal of seeing justice be done, she might well be here for god knows how long, and that ticked her off that helping to continue seeing justice be done in the world outside of her tiny little island wasn't ever going to have just one easy fix. That's why she was particularly angry in that opening of the episode where she was like, "I just wanted one day off where I could pretend that the ideal goal I so greatly want to see accomplished could actually happen without me being there to keep it going" and that's also why in that same vein of anger, therein lies her reason why she started to get truly attached to the league and some of it's members in particular, namely Bruce and John, and why Hawkgirl's betrayal continued to hurt, because once she had "accepted" that helping to bring justice to man's world wasn't just a one and done job, she began to see that the league truly were her new sister/s(and brothers) in her new isolated floating fortress in the sky and she would be able to rely on them to always help her see out that ideal goal, and when Hawkgirl, a women, the kind of person she had grew and known for being able to trust to the ends of the earth for the last how ever many thousands of years on her island home, when hawkgirl betrayed the league, she particularly betrayed Diana in her mind because of that context
I kind of feel like she and Hawkgirl were only friends in the sense of "2 chicks in a room full of dudes". Women stick together instinctively so it becomes kind of a superficial relationship.
The DC amazons are an idealized version of one man's sex fantasy portrayed as pro-feminism in order to be published. Also helps he completely ignored how horrible they were, save for the mind control girths that he glosses over.
Um then why do so many women absolutely adore this character?
@@crhu319 Same reason people adore Donald Trump or Orion Pax adored Megatron. She is a powerful person that seems similar to them and they wish to be that powerful.
Ya she’s the only one of the trinity that’s a killer and born warrior,she’s very passionate
I know this sounds kinda cliche and ridiculous, but i just rewatched all the cars movies and realized that lightning mcqueen had a really interesting ark. The first movie setting him up for becoming a legend, the second is learning what makes him one, and the third is learning to pass on his legacy. its actually really poetic. i think it would be a really good video idea.
Yeah! I seriously don't get the hate for cars 2, I thought it was a great dose of world building, and character development.
I've been wondering for some time, what are your thoughts on Equinox from the Batman: The Brave and the Bold series.
Of course Diana has anger issues. But that's what makes her awesome. That an her unwavering sense of justice. And the episode with Hawk and Dove was kinda of a throwback, with Kevin (Hawk) & Wayne (Dove) was great
DCAU still the best Wonder Woman 😤
James gun needs to recast gal
@@yarc9 yeah but who could replace gal gadot
@@rayshawnwilliams5673 anyone who can actually act
@@yarc9 yeah but who though
@@yarc9 I mean wonder woman is a hard character to portray especially in live-action movies
She was raised on an island of spartanesque women who, while teaching her a fairly high moral code... also taught her that men are the antithesis to everything her tribe stands for.... yeah, I'd say she has issues.
"She's a rebel, she's a saint, she's the salt of the earth and she's dangerous" thought that would slip by an old green day fan, huh?
Another interesting piece of subtle characterization in the episode is that Hawk's eyes are whited out while Dove's aren't which gives you more of the impression that Dove is actually paying attention to what is going on around him.
It's nice to know Jason Hervey from the Wonder Years plays Dove.
But flip side, she is one of the most compassionate and loving out of everyone in the league
Ugh, no...
green day refrence in the sections of the video, nice.
1:10 was that super generic stock scream sound effect actually used when wonder woman shoots the laser gun? WTF? lol
Yes, yes it was.
8:46 I know totally unrelated, but having Aquaman at the justice league meeting table gave me so many happies, since the episode here was an homage to the justice friends show.
Also because Aquaman is the only member who can walk around shirtless with his chiseled pecs out and I had such a huge crush on this version of Aquaman!
@@Superlad945 I'm not entirely sure if he is or isn't counted as a founding league member, since in justice league he only acted upon protecting atlantis and siding with the league, but was never really declared a member.
@@Superlad945 that's actually really cool, I need to find his notes on the series. This version of Aquaman is by far my favorite, and would have loved to see more episodes with him in
I always felt bad for the reasonable general that got assasinated by Ares
Love angry wonderwoman all day every day
Justice league episodes ran for years in a disjointed loop where I live, so that moment when Diana almost killed Toyman was the first time I've seen the cartoon knocking at the walls to show how thin is the separation between a heroic teen's cartoon and a murderous gore fest.
Batman could have fixed all of this in ten minutes a day.
The angry DCU Wonder Woman is a result of a drive to focus on her as a warrior Amazon around early 2000. This is when she went to using a sword a lot as opposed to relying on her powers and lasso. She is comparable to Superman in power, but she needs a sword where as he does not. Wonder Woman is an angry agent of peace. The saddest scene is in JLA Dark where she stops a person plagued with visions of monsters from hurting others. When the victim says they see monsters, Wonder Woman says the only monster she sees is the victim- this is the bad ass Wonder Woman who is tougher than any of the makes around her. That message is peace is a drive to be strong and sarcastic.
She's not angry she's just a fierce warrior princess
1:10 Bitch did I just hear a Howie Scream
Yeah, she is. Not unattractive, too.
She's just taking the role of the serious, annoying, older sister.
1:50 dcau Diana wants to live among humanity and enjoy the richness of "man's world". She is basically Ariel a Disney princess. But imagine if Ariel was also a warrior of Atlantis. And that instead of going on her date Ariel had to keep stopping nearby crime in Eric's kingdom.
The scene at 9:39 is my favourite. Love Batman’s response
Hell hath no fury like a Wonder Woman scorned.
“Just get a service job don’t take risks, don’t got to college, don’t try to better yourself”
Can’t keep up with the cost of living and inflation
“You should’ve taken more risks. You should’ve gone to college. You should’ve tried to better yourself.”
I did what I was told to do and now I can’t make ends meet or start a family.
“That’s a good thing! You have enough! Be grateful!”
* Explains how the economy is failing due solely to the greed of the obscenely wealthy
“STOP BEING POOR!”
Hmm… skill issue
You gotta love the intro between the wrath of punchy-punchy-murderous-rage to "the pasta's good." "It's the sauce."
Diana was a fun character to see in action
I hate Wonder Woman in the cartoon vision.I prefer Wonder Woman in the Hollywood vision.Everything in Hollywood is better on DC.Just like hollywood on marvel everything on hollywood is better
i want a wonder woman that doesnt say lines like "men always choose violence" it pisses me off
Well, get over it, because that's how she started when she has limited experience with thr outside world. She been grew out of that mindset.
Well, bite your elbows with rage, because that's how it will always be in the beginning, Wonder Woman is a "fish out of water", she knows nothing about humanity when she leaves Themiscyra, and that mentality later changes when she interacts with her friends of the League and Steve Trevor, that's her character development and you can't take it away from her just because you're angry that a fictional female character hurts your fragile male ego.
You can't expect a character who has been on an island for thousands of years to not have any prejudice or negative mindset about something she doesn't know, Wonder Woman would feel fake that way.
And at the end of the day, she's not entirely wrong, humanity in general is violent.
I love how you use DC and many other comic based media to showcase behaviors we can relate to I really do love it ❤❤❤
WW of the live action universe perfectly captures this character. I love the 2017 movie. It was so damn good wish we had more like it
...that's because she's a feminist. They stay angry... for no reason.
This is why Gal Gadots Wonder Woman blabbering on about love and friendship is so obnoxious. The team constantly has to reel her in, in the comics. She was not trained to disarm and defuse like Batman. She's a warrior, she was trained to kill and she enjoys it. Lady got demons.
Christ bless you, i love DCAU and your content thank you
Off topic as a greek legend fan i find it funny its ver of hephaestus is oddly a womanizer wildy misrepresenting like on par to disney take on zeus with hercules movie even tho he married to Aphrodite and usual wants nothing with her
Y'know, I never really liked this episode. I usually skip it during rewatches. But in this recontextualization, I feel like I just simply missed something about it. So thank you, I suppose, for seeing that there's more to this than simply an 'angry guy who's wrong-calm guy who's right' story.
Idk why but I genuinely hate DC animated Wonder Woman but I like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman. I think its the hypocrisy that is built into her character for me, idk what it is.
Diana proved right to turn herself in to n Waller. That move saved Bruce's life.