I have been a PING player for years. When I bought the 425 Max it performed better than I expected. I have tried all of the latest releases and I just dont see any reason for change. There simply wasnt enough "more" to make the switch. I use a Diamana TB 50 S shaft in the 425 and without a doubt its the perfect marriage for me. I will say this though, the Callaway product substantially out performed the the Stealth for me. @ 95 mph driver swing speed it seemed as though the Taylormade wanted more ( that I didnt have !! ) The Callaway is exceedingly driver friendly. The other shock that I got recently was Mizuno's latest driver. It is exceptional ! Thanks for this Andy ! Great review !!! I wish you much success with your new channel , im sure it will be a hit !!
Honestly, I don't need a new driver. I'm happy with my T2. Thought I did, but nope. My swing needed fixing. I worked on my takeaway to stop the slicing. When I started to use my body and rotate, I now am starting to hit draws with my irons and power fades with 3 wood and driver. Craziest thing ever. Anyways, congrats on the success and keep going sir!
Great review! I think Peter Finch also said Rogue Max is the new king of forgiveness, overtaking G425 Max. Not because of the increased forgiveness, but the consistency and extra distance Rogue produces. Glad we got another review showing the similar experiences!
The G425 isn’t 2 years old …it was released Jan 2021. My own tests with these 2 clubs showed the opposite with dispersion and within 1 yard on carry distances. The 425 Max is noisy for sure, but still highly efficient and forgiving at a mix of ball speeds. I’m in my late 50s and average 155mph with driver…. With both clubs I averaged around 260 carry but with 10 yards narrower dispersion on the G425 Max. I hit 100 balls with each alternating every 10 shots to get a fair test result.
Did you find much difference in distance? I’ve tried Cleveland, TaylorMade, Titliest, Callaway, and Ping over the years. Callaway just doesn’t fit my eye. I always go back to Ping. Currently game the Ping G400 Max when it came out. So long , so consistent.
@@johnaleck8672 no real distance difference no. Your current driver is an excellent choice for a combination of distance and forgiveness so if I were you, I’d keep my money in my pocket
I think your experience with both drivers highlights the fact that every golfer is different. Proves the value of testing both drivers yourself instead of relying on somebody else's opinion and rushing out to buy a driver that suits them.
I use a G425 max. Love the sound and the turbulators. If I were looking at a new driver I would be looking at the Cobra LTD line. The Ping is long enough and straight enough for me till I wear it out. Good review for callaway fans and those looking for a new driver. I would rather see a driver review comparing to its same prior renditions like the epic and other older Callaway drivers.
I bought a set of ping g410 about 2 1/2 years ago right b4 the 425 was released. I'm extremely happy with them. Love the sound and feel. I bought the pings because they were not the longest clubs I tried, but because they were the most accurate. When it's time for a new set I'll do the same. Whatever clubs give me the most accuracy based on my swing. I have no loyalty to any brand.
I like Brad was a Ping player for a very long time until I took Andy's advice and started to mix up my bag to maximize how I hit each club. So Ping ended out of my bag completely. I have the PXG 0811XF Gen 4 10.5 Driver, Callaway 5 wood B11, 3 & 4 Hybird, PXG-0311 XP-G3 6 through gap wedge, and finally the 54 & 58 Cleveland RXG wedges, all the shafts are Senior Graphite for me and I will not go into detail about the shafts I have, but this is by far the best equipment I have played in my 50 plus years of playing and I am 76 and really enjoying to play each time I hit the golf course. It's a personal choice we all make.
Andy, another great video. I had a driver fitting yesterday & yeah the rogue was extremely forgiving, during fitting check impact on face and like your findings no matter where I hit not much drop off and still went down fairway..... Ordered Rogue ST Max it will bring my game on during 2022.... Going back for fairway & hybrids fittings
You nailed it! Center strikes are all the same in the middle of the club face. The new clubs are excelling at maintaining ball speeds on of centered strikes. Other reviewers are doing a disservice by not pointing this out. Good work!
I bought the Ping G425max and absolutely love it. It took some getting used to the sound but I'm getting an extra 20 yards on the golf course and that's during the wet winter months and it's way more consistent and hitting the fairway. This driver will be in the bag for a long time :-)
The Callaway performed better FOR YOU, that’s the key point. In the past 18 months, I have done separate driver and iron fittings (tests done 12 months apart) and, in both cases, I tried the top 7/8 brands, with the outcome that the Ping products performed the best FOR ME … interestingly, swing speed was higher with both driver and irons, which resulted in greater distance, and accuracy was also better. The assessment by the golf pro (completely independent, not selling anything) was that I swung the Ping clubs with more confidence and speed, because I preferred the feel of the counter balanced shafts, which interestingly I also had in my previous XXIO irons. To indicate my skill level, I’m 61 years old and over the past 3 months have dropped to a 9 handicap. People, these reviews are fine, but pay for a fitting with an independent competent pro before spending your hard earned cash.
Excellent review, Andy. I loved the Rogue and the Cobra this year for the same reasons. My consistency on off center hits has been mind boggling. Well done again folks. Very very well done.
Thanks, Andy, for this video -- this is the exact comparison I've been eager to see. My issue with the G425 was that the forgiveness came in part through an overall heavier head. If you're like me and don't want to use a counterbalanced shaft, it wound up feeling heavy -- swingweight was always around D6-D8 with a shaft playing 45.5". If Callaway can match that level of forgiveness with a lighter head, that'd be basically the dream driver. I have a Rogue ST Max ordered and hope to do this head-to-head myself soon!
Couldn’t agree more….the g425 max , to me, felt awful in terms of the heft and to me it just felt dead…the g400 max was a much better driver for me and my swing.
This is why you must test multiple drivers during a fitting with an open mind. I just got fitted for my driver and ended up with the G425. It was between that and the titliest. The rogue was terrible for me. For both the Ping and Titlest I was carrying around 280 but that dropped to 265 with the Rogue with a few hitting that 280 mark but many, due to dispersion from off center hits, falling much shorter. I have had no issue hitting the G425 straight and even bombed it 298yds with roll left side of the fairway after catching it as close to the toe as you could go before missing the ball almost entirely. I just did not find that in the Rogue. My buddy also got fitted into a driver recently and he ended up with the titliest. He also swung the Rogue and ended up with shorter and larger dispersion shots. So to me, it really goes to show that while one club may work for me, another may work better for you. So always get fitted with an open mind as hitting straighter shots makes the game so much more fun! Great breakdown. I do agree, these clubs that are coming out these days are so damn forgiving and it just makes the game much more enjoyable for all.
I have the standard stealth, cobra ltdx, and the rogue st. All with gd ad di 5s shafts. The cobra was the best outta the bunch in dispersion, the rogue and stealth both out carried the cobra by 2 yards after 10 balls hit onto a fairway and losing 2 balls from the stealth. Cobra ltdx is the driver for me this year. But the rogue st is the best looking driver released this year.
Andy I got fitted for the Rogue max LS a week ago. Hopefully I hit it as well on the course as I did at the fitting. I showed massive improvements over my Cobra speedzone driver. It could be the fitter as I felt he was more thorough especially trying different shafts
Your point on impact location data is spot on. I have a GC3 which does not give me that information sadly, so I use impact tape so I can see where I am making contact. It does impact spin numbers, but not by a lot with a driver. I am planning to go in for a iron fitting soon and am going to bring some impact tape with me on the off chance they do not have a monitor that displays it. Solid review and I am already planning on looking at the Rogue and might check out the Ping as well, but just not a fan off the Ping sound.
Interesting Video Andy, I have a fitting booked for the Rogue in a couple of weeks so I’ll take your points on board and see what information comes back for me. I’m also considering the Mizuno STZ220 as well so looks like I have a few decisions to make
Hi Andy great video again I have ordered the rogue driver last week very impressed with it I also ordered the 4 iron hybrid you did the review on to the Ping was very loud and didn’t get the distance from it cheers jj
I used old Callaway rogue released in 2018-2019. I am still new golfer, my rogue gave me around 160-170 yards. I bought Ping G425 max this year, with good impact, the ball can go to around 200-210 yards. I am please with the distance improvement.
I just tested several of these drivers and ended up buying the G425 SFT. My second favorite was the G425 Max. My third favorite was the Rogue. My results showed the opposite with dispersion, similar distances, and I preferred the louder Ping sound. Most important, teeing up with the G425 SFT just felt better in terms of weight, balance, and overall control.
Appreciate the review and comparison. I still have the G400max in 10.5 adjusted to 9.5 and it was great driver and fairway finder but not great for distance. I upgraded to the G410LST in 9 degrees and absolutely love it. Don't feel the need to upgrade but if ever I did, I'd like to try the Rogue ST vs the 425 for myself and see what instills more confidence.
It's truly ironic that a ROGUE is the solution to keeping a pattern consistent & in check 👍... Very simple and effectively honest video review... Keep up the good work 🏆
I love the sound of the g425 driver. It's more of a muffled sound compared to the crack of other makes. It's also soooooo much more forgiving for me a high handicaper. So much so I brought the whole set up. Irons and hybrid. My handicap is going DOWN!!!!!
It's the ultimate compliment to Ping that both Callaway & Mizuno have introduced their new 2022 Drivers as Ping 425 copies - but thank god, sound infinitely better. I also think Callaway's very slight built-in draw bias will work for 95% of customers. In my experience, setting a standard Callaway 9-degree head to 1-click open to 8-degrees, effectively makes it truly neutral in terms of flight - and it is how I set up my Callaway Max LS Driver. I would love to see a comparison of the Callaway against the new Mizuno.
Hi Paul your -1 adjustment to 8deg open doesn’t sound right, Think your comments about other companies following Ping are spot on Great Reply Thanks Dickey
@@dickbroomer7877 I've been fit at TXG in Toronto 3 times - the 1-click open for standard Callaway heads is 100% correct - that is why Callaway always had the Tripple Diamond tour-only heads (often it was reported that they had up to 12 different Tripple Diamond heads) - and in every case, it was to have the club sit more open than retail heads.
Hi Paul, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I love the fact you were fitted at TXG (I am so impressed) I follow them on TH-cam and enjoy their Reviews, Think Ian’s a brilliant club fitter & super ball striker, please say Hi from me on your next fitting (I miss Matty) Thanks Dickey UK
@@dickbroomer7877 I was somehow lucky that I came across them 3 years ago on the internet only to find out that I live 3 miles away from their Toronto location - their 2nd location is 25 miles away by the Airport in the West end. Met Ian every time I was in there but was fit and gap sessioned by Cam.
I was just fitted and it was between new Rogue and Mizuno STZ. The Mizuno gave me tighter dispersion and 250 carry. Key for me was the 50g lighter stiff shaft.
The ping sound is what helps me decide to buy it. I like it loud and obnoxious. It's music to my ears. It turns heads. I think ping did it on purpose. I freaking love that loud pop.
I heard so much about the 425 driver that I couldn't wait to test it; I currently have the G400 max. (Totally based on the Rick Shields review.) As much as I really wanted a reason to buy the new driver I hit the G400 further and straighter quite consistently over the G425. I upgraded to the Ping Tour shaft when I bought the G400 and felt like I was "up sold" on the shaft not long after buying it, whereas the G425 had the std Alta shaft, however there was no denying the superior performance of the G400. Maybe the shaft is enough difference. Needless to say...no new driver for Daddy.
These are the two I’m considering to replace my 10 year old Ping K15 SFT. I don’t like the sound of or the turbulators on the Ping but I do like the moveable weight. I was edging towards the Callaway and your test might have tipped me a bit further. Time for a test I think!
Good review and great pointer re off-centre hits, that must be a key factor when buying a driver . . . how good are my poor strikes, because we will hit plenty of those!
Agree with another comment here if we can compare the new Rogue with last year's Epic Speed Max. I bought the latter months back and feel a bit bummed that Callaway released the Rogue ST so soon. Before we know it a new Mavrik might be released next just when everyone has bought into this new Rogue...
great review Andy, this Rouge may the one that finally kicks my G400 max out? If it's 6 yards longer than 425 I may see 10+ while not losing any fairways? WOW! what shaft and ball? PS look for me Weds at Phx Open!
I’m returning to the game of golf and just had a fitting. I was pretty sure I wanted Ping irons and I’m getting the G425s there (after testing several brands). I tried the Ping driver and the Rogue. I hit both similarly but went with the Rogue because I don’t like the turbulators (?), don’t like the sound of the Ping driver and I felt the Rogue had a slight edge in feel.
I'm in the market for a new driver and 3 wood combo currently, and between the Ping G425 and Rogue ST. How about the Cobra LTDx - something you're adding into the mix for comparison?
It would be great if you would do a similar evaluation between the new Calloway Rogue vs. the new Cobra driver, I am torn between choosing one over the other and your evaluation would help immensely, thanks!!!...
Tried the G425 today. By far the straightest driver I've ever hit BUT also the shortest. 10 yards shorter than Titleist TSi2 and 15 yards shorter than Taylor made SIM and Cobra LTDx...hard choice... forgiveness Vs loss of distance 🤔
My current gamer is the TSi3. So I went to and tried the rogue st and the mizuno stz 220 both are supposed to be super forgiving. Didn't hit it off with the Mizuno, but the Rogue was fantastic. I noticed as compared to the titleist that I was getting 5-7 mph more club head speed. And the dispersion was great. It's a no brainer that the Rogue is going in the bag this year. I'm going to play it with my new ventus TR 5s shaft too.
Hi Harvey liked your reply, I found the same When Testing the Rogue against my Ping G410, used the Mit. Tensei Blue 55g R flex, Which shaft did you use? Will try the Rogue Max D today as Andy was using it in the Test Thanks Dickey
@@dickbroomer7877 I used the MCA Tensei 55 S at the shop on the regular max 9 with adapter set to draw standard. On the courses I seem to be playing lately, I need more draws than fades off the tee. So a baby draw is perfect.
Last got fitted for G425. After waiting on it and finally got it, I couldn't hit it that well. Im going to give it a try this early season and decide if I need a change. But Im just coming off surgery on my thumb.
The Ping did have a bad sound on here, but I played with someone who used it on the course last year and never noticed anything that unusual in the sound. (strange enough I had the old rogue in my bag) That said, I don't think I would be considered as a golfer who really pays attention to the sound of a driver, its more about the feel of how solid the ball feels coming off the club face.
I got fitted into the old rouge last year fantastic club and for me I found the dispersion was overall a lot tighter than everything else just few yards longer than 425 but a bit shorter than the sim2 who’s dispersion was the worst
Great video! I'm a senior golfer looking for more distance plus I tend to push the ball. MYSPy did a test on draw drivers and the PING SFT came out on top with a 17 yard draw number. Taylormade, Callaway and Cobra weren't on the list. Do you feel the Rogue draw model has a draw bias that is strong enough to actually help me draw the ball? I have the same question about the Sim2 Max D driver. Thanks.
The number of people who worry about driver sounds always amuses me. Maybe it is just me but I don't give a crap what a driver sounds like as long as I hit it long and straight.
Unless shafts are identical, eg: mfg.,flex, spine, pured, etc., comparison's can be very deceiving, especially for distance and dispersion.Dispersion is especially hard to judge accurately when landing on grass turf. Some balls will land soft, some kick forward, left and right. Obviously, more accurate results would be gleaned the more balls that were struck IMHO. Not to forget the human factor. Thanks.
I just went to the golf store to buy the new Mizuno and after an hour of hitting different clubs I walked away with the Rouge St! Couldn’t believe it but ten yards longer and tighter dispersion! I struggle with loft angle and the Rouge helped correct it right away! I am a 15 handicap and swing speed 105mph fwiw
Very interested in this. So far I have been a little underwhelmed with the G425 Max and not finding it hugely different to my old 15 year old Cobra. Maybe I got the wrong loft as even with the same shaft as my old Cobra it feels much more hard work. Weird.
It could be a shaft issue for sure. Ping is a heavier head than most. They usually provide counterbalance shafts, so if you used one from the cobra it could make a difference. The weight of the head is meant to contribute to the stability, but it can slow some people down a bit.
@@DavidSmith-lo7wf Thanks for the reply. I purchased a couple of extra adaptors and have so far tried the Tensei orange 65, prolaunch blue 65 and NV 55, the latter two shafts I have always done well with. At the moment I wish I hadn’t changed.
While Taylor Made have been grabbing the headlines with the Stealth, most reviewers seem to have shown that the performance of the Rogue to be superior, the Ping while a superb driver needs to have some serious discounting to make it worthwhile financial wise. I'm looking forward to the Rogue Vs the Cobra comparisons which I haven't seen yet. Quick Question Andy do company's put an embargo on comparison tests for a period ??
Do people really care about the sound that much, it’s only heard for an instant. Surely a golfer is more concerned where the ball is ending up and the ball flight.?
You were using a draw driver from Callaway. For accurate comparison you should have used Ping SFT not the Max. Switched from normal M4 to the Sim D driver and my dispersion and distances improved dramatically. Did you test the fairway from Callaway
@@TheAverageGolfer I recently went for a pxg fitting, pretty much based off your recommendation for some woods. I'd never tried pxg before and couldn't believe how much I enjoyed hitting them ended up buying a 5 wood gen 4 x model. And the fitter knew you quite well he said, I've just forgot his name now 😂
Used the G425 Max for the last 8 months, it has been the worst buy ever! Mainly my own fault as it was very much an impulse buy without getting a fitting. I’d had the G400 and G410 in 12 deg. Bought the G425 in 10.5 thinking it won’t be much different, how wrong I was! Never got on with it from the outset, finally yesterday I’d had enough and went for a driver fitting, I went with a completely open mind. Started with my own driver where basically I was a little all over the place, the pro could see the club was wrong for me after a handful of drives. Moved onto the stealth, instantly longer but not much better in the way of dispersion, still spreading the ball. Then out came the rogue, I didn’t ask about the spec, the head, the shaft, I simply started hitting balls, the results were not what I expected. Yes I sprayed a couple but all in all the dispersion over a large number of drives were on average 15.9 yds from centre line compared to 36 and 30 on the 425 and stealth. I’m a 16 handicapper so I’m never going to be straight with every ball, that’s accepted. The rogue was also giving me nearly 25 yds additional carry!! Better launch, better spin rates etc. the spec was a Rogue ST max D in 12 deg, cranked up to 13 deg with a neutral alignment (I think that’s how you describe it). So moving forward I haven’t yet hit this on the course, I’ll potentially hate it in 2 weeks but I’m hoping I’ll have this for some time to come 🙏🙏
Yep. You made a huge mistake going from the 12 degree to a 10.5. I have the 12 degree 425 driver and it just goes straight as a die. As soon as I thought I was improving I moved it down a degree and s&£t hit the fan. Too late for you now as you said that you have made another purchase. What made you want to go from a 12 down to a whopping low 10.5 out of interest?? My swing speed is slow hence why my Pro told me to go for the high lofted version
@@jpcoll2011 to be honest it was an impulse buy, my thought process was how different could it be? I’m normally the one who researches but went against all of my instincts. Hopefully the Rogue ST will bring my confidence back and remind me that fitting is essential!!
@@DavidThomas-bv5nz we ALL make mistakes. Such a shame you didn't just buy the 12 degree 425 head. You would not have had to pay for the shaft. I have never paid for a new club in my life but I was so crap with my old 10.5 degree driver due to slow swing speed and not getting the ball off the ground. The professional golfer straight away said it was because I did not have the swing speed to get the ball in the air. The 425 12 degree is soooooo forgiving. I even set it up half a degree to 12.5. Good luck with your new purchase and enjoy your time on the course.
Callaway golf claims the back gold weight to be 26 grams. I have since read on line that gold cartridge weighs 7 grams; while the green tungsten wt 4 grams for a total weight of 11 grams not 26 grams. Can someone clarify this discrepancy?
Why is everyone so against the loudness of the ping? I love how loud it is, louder the better, if you don't hit a great shot it still sounds like you did 😎😅
As a Ping fan, with Ping irons, driver and putter it’s not the loudness of it for me, it’s the sound. My mate has a G425 and it makes a weird “boink” noise, to me it sounds like it’s broken or has been hit poorly despite the result being fantastic.
@@jpcoll2011 I’ve come to accept it - had a fitting and bought one! Wanted the Rogue ST but couldn’t ignore the results with the Ping. Had it for a month now. It has vastly improved my driving both for distance and forgiveness.
@@CHuzz7777 yep, me too. Never bought a new driver in my life but I was really struggling to get my ball in the air. The golf professional looked at me and instantly said it was because I could not hit it fast enough so I was told to buy the 12 degree version of the 425. It's so forving and it has a brilliant ball flight that always finds the fairways. Happy golfing to you
Hi Chris please let me know how you get on with your Rogue & Cobra testing, I tested the Rogue Max yesterday against my Ping G410, Rogue best on Distance +5yds, & Ball Speed increased , Will test Rogue Max D version today, Thanks Dickey
@@chrissmeaton1982 Hi Chris good to hear you ordered the Rogue 👍I tried the Rogue D preferred the Std Max Our Pro is getting me a Rogue’ 12deg to try as I need extra loft with the Tensei Blue R flex should be perfect 👍 Dickey
@@chrissmeaton1982 Hi Chris Got Rogue Max D today after testing for 1week with Launch Monitor on practice ground (out performed Ping G410) it’s in the bag & I love 👍it, went for Tensei Blue 55gram R flex shaft Thanks Dickey
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I think you should redo this test when Ping releases its new driver later this year. To a certain extent I think you are comparing apples and oranges, Still enjoyed the vid as usual.
Update: G425 fairway monster is no more but only due to sound. Could not get used to it but still a amazing club. Have moved to Callaway St rogue max which is basically as forgiving but with the best feel of a driver i’ve had in a while. It is phenomenal
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I have been a PING player for years. When I bought the 425 Max it performed better than I expected. I have tried all of the latest releases and I just dont see any reason for change. There simply wasnt enough "more" to make the switch. I use a Diamana TB 50 S shaft in the 425 and without a doubt its the perfect marriage for me. I will say this though, the Callaway product substantially out performed the the Stealth for me. @ 95 mph driver swing speed it seemed as though the Taylormade wanted more ( that I didnt have !! ) The Callaway is exceedingly driver friendly. The other shock that I got recently was Mizuno's latest driver. It is exceptional !
Thanks for this Andy ! Great review !!! I wish you much success with your new channel , im sure it will be a hit !!
Honestly, I don't need a new driver. I'm happy with my T2. Thought I did, but nope. My swing needed fixing. I worked on my takeaway to stop the slicing. When I started to use my body and rotate, I now am starting to hit draws with my irons and power fades with 3 wood and driver. Craziest thing ever. Anyways, congrats on the success and keep going sir!
Great review! I think Peter Finch also said Rogue Max is the new king of forgiveness, overtaking G425 Max. Not because of the increased forgiveness, but the consistency and extra distance Rogue produces. Glad we got another review showing the similar experiences!
The G425 isn’t 2 years old …it was released Jan 2021. My own tests with these 2 clubs showed the opposite with dispersion and within 1 yard on carry distances. The 425 Max is noisy for sure, but still highly efficient and forgiving at a mix of ball speeds. I’m in my late 50s and average 155mph with driver…. With both clubs I averaged around 260 carry but with 10 yards narrower dispersion on the G425 Max. I hit 100 balls with each alternating every 10 shots to get a fair test result.
Did you find much difference in distance? I’ve tried Cleveland, TaylorMade, Titliest, Callaway, and Ping over the years. Callaway just doesn’t fit my eye. I always go back to Ping. Currently game the Ping G400 Max when it came out. So long , so consistent.
@@johnaleck8672 no real distance difference no. Your current driver is an excellent choice for a combination of distance and forgiveness so if I were you, I’d keep my money in my pocket
I think your experience with both drivers highlights the fact that every golfer is different. Proves the value of testing both drivers yourself instead of relying on somebody else's opinion and rushing out to buy a driver that suits them.
I use a G425 max. Love the sound and the turbulators. If I were looking at a new driver I would be looking at the Cobra LTD line. The Ping is long enough and straight enough for me till I wear it out. Good review for callaway fans and those looking for a new driver. I would rather see a driver review comparing to its same prior renditions like the epic and other older Callaway drivers.
I bought a set of ping g410 about 2 1/2 years ago right b4 the 425 was released. I'm extremely happy with them. Love the sound and feel. I bought the pings because they were not the longest clubs I tried, but because they were the most accurate. When it's time for a new set I'll do the same. Whatever clubs give me the most accuracy based on my swing. I have no loyalty to any brand.
I actually hit those same two Drivers and hit the PING the best, also love the loud sound.
I like Brad was a Ping player for a very long time until I took Andy's advice and started to mix up my bag to maximize how I hit each club. So Ping ended out of my bag completely. I have the PXG 0811XF Gen 4 10.5 Driver, Callaway 5 wood B11, 3 & 4 Hybird, PXG-0311 XP-G3 6 through gap wedge, and finally the 54 & 58 Cleveland RXG wedges, all the shafts are Senior Graphite for me and I will not go into detail about the shafts I have, but this is by far the best equipment I have played in my 50 plus years of playing and I am 76 and really enjoying to play each time I hit the golf course. It's a personal choice we all make.
Andy, another great video. I had a driver fitting yesterday & yeah the rogue was extremely forgiving, during fitting check impact on face and like your findings no matter where I hit not much drop off and still went down fairway..... Ordered Rogue ST Max it will bring my game on during 2022.... Going back for fairway & hybrids fittings
Andy you are the only golfer I know who has found the rogue to have a tighter dispersion than the Ping. Shows why you must test
You nailed it! Center strikes are all the same in the middle of the club face. The new clubs are excelling at maintaining ball speeds on of centered strikes. Other reviewers are doing a disservice by not pointing this out.
Good work!
I bought the Ping G425max and absolutely love it. It took some getting used to the sound but I'm getting an extra 20 yards on the golf course and that's during the wet winter months and it's way more consistent and hitting the fairway. This driver will be in the bag for a long time :-)
The Callaway performed better FOR YOU, that’s the key point. In the past 18 months, I have done separate driver and iron fittings (tests done 12 months apart) and, in both cases, I tried the top 7/8 brands, with the outcome that the Ping products performed the best FOR ME … interestingly, swing speed was higher with both driver and irons, which resulted in greater distance, and accuracy was also better. The assessment by the golf pro (completely independent, not selling anything) was that I swung the Ping clubs with more confidence and speed, because I preferred the feel of the counter balanced shafts, which interestingly I also had in my previous XXIO irons. To indicate my skill level, I’m 61 years old and over the past 3 months have dropped to a 9 handicap.
People, these reviews are fine, but pay for a fitting with an independent competent pro before spending your hard earned cash.
Thanks Tony. Really appreciate the analysis on these two drivers. Dispersion/accuracy and overall forgiveness works for me.
Perfect timing for me, as in the market for a new big stick, and was really starting to lean toward a g425.
Excellent review, Andy. I loved the Rogue and the Cobra this year for the same reasons. My consistency on off center hits has been mind boggling. Well done again folks. Very very well done.
My friend plays the G425 and I have never noticed the loud sound. I don't know what people are complaining about with regard to this.
Thanks, Andy, for this video -- this is the exact comparison I've been eager to see. My issue with the G425 was that the forgiveness came in part through an overall heavier head. If you're like me and don't want to use a counterbalanced shaft, it wound up feeling heavy -- swingweight was always around D6-D8 with a shaft playing 45.5". If Callaway can match that level of forgiveness with a lighter head, that'd be basically the dream driver. I have a Rogue ST Max ordered and hope to do this head-to-head myself soon!
Couldn’t agree more….the g425 max , to me, felt awful in terms of the heft and to me it just felt dead…the g400 max was a much better driver for me and my swing.
This is why you must test multiple drivers during a fitting with an open mind. I just got fitted for my driver and ended up with the G425. It was between that and the titliest. The rogue was terrible for me. For both the Ping and Titlest I was carrying around 280 but that dropped to 265 with the Rogue with a few hitting that 280 mark but many, due to dispersion from off center hits, falling much shorter. I have had no issue hitting the G425 straight and even bombed it 298yds with roll left side of the fairway after catching it as close to the toe as you could go before missing the ball almost entirely. I just did not find that in the Rogue.
My buddy also got fitted into a driver recently and he ended up with the titliest. He also swung the Rogue and ended up with shorter and larger dispersion shots. So to me, it really goes to show that while one club may work for me, another may work better for you. So always get fitted with an open mind as hitting straighter shots makes the game so much more fun!
Great breakdown. I do agree, these clubs that are coming out these days are so damn forgiving and it just makes the game much more enjoyable for all.
Tried the new Rogue ST. Liked it. Still think the PXG Gen 4 XF is the best driver for the average golfer on the market, though.
I have the standard stealth, cobra ltdx, and the rogue st. All with gd ad di 5s shafts. The cobra was the best outta the bunch in dispersion, the rogue and stealth both out carried the cobra by 2 yards after 10 balls hit onto a fairway and losing 2 balls from the stealth. Cobra ltdx is the driver for me this year. But the rogue st is the best looking driver released this year.
Andy I got fitted for the Rogue max LS a week ago. Hopefully I hit it as well on the course as I did at the fitting. I showed massive improvements over my Cobra speedzone driver. It could be the fitter as I felt he was more thorough especially trying different shafts
I love the sound of the PING!
Great review Andy, looking forward to trying the rogue st. Can I ask what shaft were you using pls?
Your point on impact location data is spot on. I have a GC3 which does not give me that information sadly, so I use impact tape so I can see where I am making contact. It does impact spin numbers, but not by a lot with a driver. I am planning to go in for a iron fitting soon and am going to bring some impact tape with me on the off chance they do not have a monitor that displays it. Solid review and I am already planning on looking at the Rogue and might check out the Ping as well, but just not a fan off the Ping sound.
Interesting Video Andy, I have a fitting booked for the Rogue in a couple of weeks so I’ll take your points on board and see what information comes back for me. I’m also considering the Mizuno STZ220 as well so looks like I have a few decisions to make
Hi Andy great video again I have ordered the rogue driver last week very impressed with it I also ordered the 4 iron hybrid you did the review on to the Ping was very loud and didn’t get the distance from it cheers jj
The hybrid is very impressive
Guessing part of the distance gain is the weight. I own the 425 max and it’s usually a solid 10g heavier than most other drivers. Ping heads are hefty
Love these vids. Very factual and well balanced.
I used old Callaway rogue released in 2018-2019. I am still new golfer, my rogue gave me around 160-170 yards. I bought Ping G425 max this year, with good impact, the ball can go to around 200-210 yards. I am please with the distance improvement.
I just tested several of these drivers and ended up buying the G425 SFT. My second favorite was the G425 Max. My third favorite was the Rogue. My results showed the opposite with dispersion, similar distances, and I preferred the louder Ping sound. Most important, teeing up with the G425 SFT just felt better in terms of weight, balance, and overall control.
Appreciate the review and comparison. I still have the G400max in 10.5 adjusted to 9.5 and it was great driver and fairway finder but not great for distance. I upgraded to the G410LST in 9 degrees and absolutely love it. Don't feel the need to upgrade but if ever I did, I'd like to try the Rogue ST vs the 425 for myself and see what instills more confidence.
It's truly ironic that a ROGUE is the solution to keeping a pattern consistent & in check 👍... Very simple and effectively honest video review... Keep up the good work 🏆
I love the sound of the g425 driver. It's more of a muffled sound compared to the crack of other makes. It's also soooooo much more forgiving for me a high handicaper. So much so I brought the whole set up. Irons and hybrid. My handicap is going DOWN!!!!!
Same here 🙌🏻
It's the ultimate compliment to Ping that both Callaway & Mizuno have introduced their new 2022 Drivers as Ping 425 copies - but thank god, sound infinitely better. I also think Callaway's very slight built-in draw bias will work for 95% of customers. In my experience, setting a standard Callaway 9-degree head to 1-click open to 8-degrees, effectively makes it truly neutral in terms of flight - and it is how I set up my Callaway Max LS Driver. I would love to see a comparison of the Callaway against the new Mizuno.
Yeah I hate how the ping sounds.
Hi Paul your -1 adjustment to 8deg open doesn’t sound right, Think your comments about other companies following Ping are spot on Great Reply Thanks Dickey
@@dickbroomer7877 I've been fit at TXG in Toronto 3 times - the 1-click open for standard Callaway heads is 100% correct - that is why Callaway always had the Tripple Diamond tour-only heads (often it was reported that they had up to 12 different Tripple Diamond heads) - and in every case, it was to have the club sit more open than retail heads.
Hi Paul, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I love the fact you were fitted at TXG (I am so impressed) I follow them on TH-cam and enjoy their Reviews, Think Ian’s a brilliant club fitter & super ball striker, please say Hi from me on your next fitting (I miss Matty) Thanks Dickey UK
@@dickbroomer7877 I was somehow lucky that I came across them 3 years ago on the internet only to find out that I live 3 miles away from their Toronto location - their 2nd location is 25 miles away by the Airport in the West end. Met Ian every time I was in there but was fit and gap sessioned by Cam.
I was literally thinking about this match up last night could not be better timed cheers mate
I was just fitted and it was between new Rogue and Mizuno STZ. The Mizuno gave me tighter dispersion and 250 carry. Key for me was the 50g lighter stiff shaft.
Where were you fitted ?
@@ColHal66 2ndswing - Minnetonka, MN
Too late, I’ve recently bought the G425 lol, though to be fair I love it
Class club
It's funny Andy! Dispersion elipse was smaller for the G425...but I know what you mean (and your right)! lol
Excellent video. Gives some thought. How about rogue v the new cobra and Mizuno please.
The ping sound is what helps me decide to buy it. I like it loud and obnoxious. It's music to my ears. It turns heads. I think ping did it on purpose. I freaking love that loud pop.
I heard so much about the 425 driver that I couldn't wait to test it; I currently have the G400 max. (Totally based on the Rick Shields review.) As much as I really wanted a reason to buy the new driver I hit the G400 further and straighter quite consistently over the G425. I upgraded to the Ping Tour shaft when I bought the G400 and felt like I was "up sold" on the shaft not long after buying it, whereas the G425 had the std Alta shaft, however there was no denying the superior performance of the G400. Maybe the shaft is enough difference. Needless to say...no new driver for Daddy.
These are the two I’m considering to replace my 10 year old Ping K15 SFT. I don’t like the sound of or the turbulators on the Ping but I do like the moveable weight. I was edging towards the Callaway and your test might have tipped me a bit further. Time for a test I think!
Loved the g425 sound today.
Good review and great pointer re off-centre hits, that must be a key factor when buying a driver . . . how good are my poor strikes, because we will hit plenty of those!
Hi Sir, How is the spin for the Max ? Some test show its lower than the MAX LS
Which model would you game for your swing speed ?
Agree with another comment here if we can compare the new Rogue with last year's Epic Speed Max. I bought the latter months back and feel a bit bummed that Callaway released the Rogue ST so soon. Before we know it a new Mavrik might be released next just when everyone has bought into this new Rogue...
Enjoyed the review. How do these clubs compare with the PXG?
I used a demo Rouge ST Max the other day, jeepers what a club! Straight and long just what you want when on the tee box
great review Andy, this Rouge may the one that finally kicks my G400 max out? If it's 6 yards longer than 425 I may see 10+ while not losing any fairways? WOW! what shaft and ball? PS look for me Weds at Phx Open!
Not in our golf store yet still dealing with covid, looking forward to seeing the rogue heard nothing but good reviews of this driver.
Its very impressive
I’m returning to the game of golf and just had a fitting. I was pretty sure I wanted Ping irons and I’m getting the G425s there (after testing several brands). I tried the Ping driver and the Rogue. I hit both similarly but went with the Rogue because I don’t like the turbulators (?), don’t like the sound of the Ping driver and I felt the Rogue had a slight edge in feel.
I'm in the market for a new driver and 3 wood combo currently, and between the Ping G425 and Rogue ST. How about the Cobra LTDx - something you're adding into the mix for comparison?
I will do soon, Cobra do not send me samples to test
What shaft was you using in the rouge and was it a stock shaft
It would be great if you would do a similar evaluation between the new Calloway Rogue vs. the new Cobra driver, I am torn between choosing one over the other and your evaluation would help immensely, thanks!!!...
Go Rogue
If you had identical shafts on this test I would find it meaningful
Rogue ST is Incredible, I thought the sim2 was a great feeling Driver but this is nextlevel, hardly lose any distance when not middled 👍👍
Couldn't agree more!
@The Average Golfer I never thought I'd swap my sim 2 this quickly as its been a great bat,but this Rogue performed off the charts for me
Tried the G425 today. By far the straightest driver I've ever hit BUT also the shortest. 10 yards shorter than Titleist TSi2 and 15 yards shorter than Taylor made SIM and Cobra LTDx...hard choice... forgiveness Vs loss of distance 🤔
Great information on both drivers. Thank you.
My current gamer is the TSi3. So I went to and tried the rogue st and the mizuno stz 220 both are supposed to be super forgiving. Didn't hit it off with the Mizuno, but the Rogue was fantastic. I noticed as compared to the titleist that I was getting 5-7 mph more club head speed. And the dispersion was great. It's a no brainer that the Rogue is going in the bag this year. I'm going to play it with my new ventus TR 5s shaft too.
Hi Harvey liked your reply, I found the same When Testing the Rogue against my Ping G410, used the Mit. Tensei Blue 55g R flex, Which shaft did you use? Will try the Rogue Max D today as Andy was using it in the Test Thanks Dickey
@@dickbroomer7877 I used the MCA Tensei 55 S at the shop on the regular max 9 with adapter set to draw standard. On the courses I seem to be playing lately, I need more draws than fades off the tee. So a baby draw is perfect.
Top job. Super helpful. Appreciate you.
One thing to consider is ping’s tend to hold there second hand value a lot better than callaway’s
Last
got fitted for G425. After waiting on it and finally got it, I couldn't hit it that well. Im going to give it a try this early season and decide if I need a change. But Im just coming off surgery on my thumb.
The Ping did have a bad sound on here, but I played with someone who used it on the course last year and never noticed anything that unusual in the sound. (strange enough I had the old rogue in my bag) That said, I don't think I would be considered as a golfer who really pays attention to the sound of a driver, its more about the feel of how solid the ball feels coming off the club face.
It’s obviously enhanced in the studio but it is a very loud driver
I got fitted into the old rouge last year fantastic club and for me I found the dispersion was overall a lot tighter than everything else just few yards longer than 425 but a bit shorter than the sim2 who’s dispersion was the worst
Great video! I'm a senior golfer looking for more distance plus I tend to push the ball. MYSPy did a test on draw drivers and the PING SFT came out on top with a 17 yard draw number. Taylormade, Callaway and Cobra weren't on the list. Do you feel the Rogue draw model has a draw bias that is strong enough to actually help me draw the ball? I have the same question about the Sim2 Max D driver. Thanks.
Thanks Andy... How do you see the Rouge vs the Mizuno?
The number of people who worry about driver sounds always amuses me. Maybe it is just me but I don't give a crap what a driver sounds like as long as I hit it long and straight.
good lord that PING resonates in a way that, thru your mic, makes me want to abuse myself.
Unless shafts are identical, eg: mfg.,flex, spine, pured, etc., comparison's can be very deceiving, especially for distance and dispersion.Dispersion is especially hard to judge accurately when landing on grass turf. Some balls will land soft, some kick forward, left and right. Obviously, more accurate results would be gleaned the more balls that were struck IMHO. Not to forget the human factor. Thanks.
Would be interesting to test these against the new Mizuno Driver, which is also supposed to be designed for forgiveness.
I just went to the golf store to buy the new Mizuno and after an hour of hitting different clubs I walked away with the Rouge St! Couldn’t believe it but ten yards longer and tighter dispersion! I struggle with loft angle and the Rouge helped correct it right away! I am a 15 handicap and swing speed 105mph fwiw
@@petecymbalak7916 Very interesting thanks Pete.
Very interested in this. So far I have been a little underwhelmed with the G425 Max and not finding it hugely different to my old 15 year old Cobra. Maybe I got the wrong loft as even with the same shaft as my old Cobra it feels much more hard work. Weird.
It could be a shaft issue for sure. Ping is a heavier head than most. They usually provide counterbalance shafts, so if you used one from the cobra it could make a difference. The weight of the head is meant to contribute to the stability, but it can slow some people down a bit.
@@DavidSmith-lo7wf Thanks for the reply. I purchased a couple of extra adaptors and have so far tried the Tensei orange 65, prolaunch blue 65 and NV 55, the latter two shafts I have always done well with. At the moment I wish I hadn’t changed.
While Taylor Made have been grabbing the headlines with the Stealth, most reviewers seem to have shown that the performance of the Rogue to be superior, the Ping while a superb driver needs to have some serious discounting to make it worthwhile financial wise. I'm looking forward to the Rogue Vs the Cobra comparisons which I haven't seen yet.
Quick Question Andy do company's put an embargo on comparison tests for a period ??
No embargo placed by manufacturers
Andy do you think the Callaway lie angle is helping you? At 60° it's 1.5° more upright than just about any other driver on the market
A really good point that I hadn’t considered
Do people really care about the sound that much, it’s only heard for an instant. Surely a golfer is more concerned where the ball is ending up and the ball flight.?
Golf is a snobby sport. 😂😂
Some clubs can sound like a gun shot going off. It echos all over the course. Personally, I find it distracting.
You liked the Callaway Mavrik , do you think the Rogue ST is better ? Or not so much to make the change .
How's the gen 4 X from PXG stack up against these?
Any chance you can do a comparison of this years Callaway to last years?
You were using a draw driver from Callaway. For accurate comparison you should have used Ping SFT not the Max. Switched from normal M4 to the Sim D driver and my dispersion and distances improved dramatically. Did you test the fairway from Callaway
Andy I've heard PXG gen 5 is coming out later in the year, do you think they will be able to compete with drivers like the rogue St ?
The performance of GEN04 was very good so if it has advanced as expected I would like to think so
@@TheAverageGolfer I recently went for a pxg fitting, pretty much based off your recommendation for some woods. I'd never tried pxg before and couldn't believe how much I enjoyed hitting them ended up buying a 5 wood gen 4 x model. And the fitter knew you quite well he said, I've just forgot his name now 😂
Are the models your testing matching up with both brands out of curiosity?
I am assuming you were fitted for both? THE SHAFT plays a HUGE part in dispersion and distance.
Yes of course
Used the G425 Max for the last 8 months, it has been the worst buy ever! Mainly my own fault as it was very much an impulse buy without getting a fitting. I’d had the G400 and G410 in 12 deg. Bought the G425 in 10.5 thinking it won’t be much different, how wrong I was! Never got on with it from the outset, finally yesterday I’d had enough and went for a driver fitting, I went with a completely open mind. Started with my own driver where basically I was a little all over the place, the pro could see the club was wrong for me after a handful of drives. Moved onto the stealth, instantly longer but not much better in the way of dispersion, still spreading the ball. Then out came the rogue, I didn’t ask about the spec, the head, the shaft, I simply started hitting balls, the results were not what I expected. Yes I sprayed a couple but all in all the dispersion over a large number of drives were on average 15.9 yds from centre line compared to 36 and 30 on the 425 and stealth. I’m a 16 handicapper so I’m never going to be straight with every ball, that’s accepted. The rogue was also giving me nearly 25 yds additional carry!! Better launch, better spin rates etc. the spec was a Rogue ST max D in 12 deg, cranked up to 13 deg with a neutral alignment (I think that’s how you describe it). So moving forward I haven’t yet hit this on the course, I’ll potentially hate it in 2 weeks but I’m hoping I’ll have this for some time to come 🙏🙏
Yep. You made a huge mistake going from the 12 degree to a 10.5. I have the 12 degree 425 driver and it just goes straight as a die. As soon as I thought I was improving I moved it down a degree and s&£t hit the fan. Too late for you now as you said that you have made another purchase. What made you want to go from a 12 down to a whopping low 10.5 out of interest?? My swing speed is slow hence why my Pro told me to go for the high lofted version
@@jpcoll2011 to be honest it was an impulse buy, my thought process was how different could it be? I’m normally the one who researches but went against all of my instincts. Hopefully the Rogue ST will bring my confidence back and remind me that fitting is essential!!
@@DavidThomas-bv5nz we ALL make mistakes. Such a shame you didn't just buy the 12 degree 425 head. You would not have had to pay for the shaft. I have never paid for a new club in my life but I was so crap with my old 10.5 degree driver due to slow swing speed and not getting the ball off the ground. The professional golfer straight away said it was because I did not have the swing speed to get the ball in the air. The 425 12 degree is soooooo forgiving. I even set it up half a degree to 12.5. Good luck with your new purchase and enjoy your time on the course.
Callaway golf claims the back gold weight to be 26 grams. I have since read on line that gold cartridge weighs 7 grams; while the green tungsten wt 4 grams for a total weight of 11 grams not 26 grams. Can someone clarify this discrepancy?
When are you going to test the Cleveland Launcher XL driver Andy?
Do you Plan on reviewing the Cobra LTD X . Like to see if it beats out the Rogue ?
Hi There Andy, could you do a review of callaway max os irons against callaway bb21 irons please. Thanks Geoff
Why is everyone so against the loudness of the ping? I love how loud it is, louder the better, if you don't hit a great shot it still sounds like you did 😎😅
As a Ping fan, with Ping irons, driver and putter it’s not the loudness of it for me, it’s the sound. My mate has a G425 and it makes a weird “boink” noise, to me it sounds like it’s broken or has been hit poorly despite the result being fantastic.
@@CHuzz7777 I love that boink sound. It's not a harsh crack like some drivers that would wake up the dead
@@jpcoll2011 I’ve come to accept it - had a fitting and bought one! Wanted the Rogue ST but couldn’t ignore the results with the Ping. Had it for a month now. It has vastly improved my driving both for distance and forgiveness.
@@CHuzz7777 yep, me too. Never bought a new driver in my life but I was really struggling to get my ball in the air. The golf professional looked at me and instantly said it was because I could not hit it fast enough so I was told to buy the 12 degree version of the 425. It's so forving and it has a brilliant ball flight that always finds the fairways. Happy golfing to you
Tried Mizuno really liked the performance. Callaway tomorrow and Cobra on friday👍
Hi Chris please let me know how you get on with your Rogue & Cobra testing, I tested the Rogue Max yesterday against my Ping G410, Rogue best on Distance +5yds, & Ball Speed increased ,
Will test Rogue Max D version today, Thanks Dickey
@@dickbroomer7877 tried Rogue today and oh my goodness. Outdoor fitting so stable in wind. Cobra on Friday but il let you know👍
Ordered Rogue today for me better than others for consistency and some more distance👍@Dick Broomer
@@chrissmeaton1982 Hi Chris good to hear you ordered the Rogue 👍I tried the Rogue D preferred the Std Max Our Pro is getting me a Rogue’ 12deg to try as I need extra loft with the Tensei Blue R flex should be perfect 👍 Dickey
@@chrissmeaton1982 Hi Chris Got Rogue Max D today after testing for 1week with Launch Monitor on practice ground (out performed Ping G410) it’s in the bag & I love 👍it, went for Tensei Blue 55gram R flex
shaft Thanks Dickey
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I love the Ping 425 sound. What’s the big deal ? It’s a great club
What brand is that hoodie? Love it
I would like to see the new Rogue ST Max vs the Epic Speed Max driver
Are you using the ST max or the ST max LS?
ST Max
I think you should redo this test when Ping releases its new driver later this year. To a certain extent I think you are comparing apples and oranges, Still enjoyed the vid as usual.
I’ll stick with my G425. Absolute fairway monster
Update: G425 fairway monster is no more but only due to sound. Could not get used to it but still a amazing club. Have moved to Callaway St rogue max which is basically as forgiving but with the best feel of a driver i’ve had in a while. It is phenomenal
I would be very surprised if you couldn’t get the numbers the same with a few loft changes and shaft experiments
Did you say the MOI has a limit like cor?
How does your gen 5 vs rouge
I have a Rogue on order. Can’t wait for it to come in. Also, the Rogue sounds 100 times better than the Ping